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Town Hall Meeting: Do you Guys Want One? Please Vote.

[highlight]Town Hall Meeting Scrapped due to Involved Parties Resolving their differences[/highlight]
To all (especially Feeyo and shenshang)
I don't really know what is going on in here, why you guys are fighting, or why you simply can't get along. I just deleted about 12 posts which had nothing more than constant flaming, finger pointing, and the such... all behaviors that are not allowed in XDA grounds (see rule 2).
Over the last week or so there have been constant comments, complains, and tons of issues coming from this section. There have been a bunch of moderators in here already, and it seems that this has no end in sight. As far as I am concerned, banning is a useful tool, which is better avoided if not absolutely needed... and I believe this to be the case.
Having said this, I would like to offer the following approach to solve this issue (and any other issues that you may have in your minds)... A Town Hall meeting type of thread, which will be grounds for discussion of current issues (you can see the thread here). I did this in the Hero CDMA section a few weeks ago and everything turned out rather well since people were able to talk and discuss issues in a civilized manner.
Here are the rules:
- The thread will only remain open for discussion for a certain period of time (I did the last one for 8 hours).
- No flaming/trolling/rudeness/cursing will be allowed.
- No banning will occur.
- Irrelevant posts will be automatically deleted.
- The thread will be heavily monitored by one or more moderators.
I will copy this post into a new thread and turn it into a poll under Hero G2 General and make a poll to see if you are all interested in doing this. If I get enough people agreeing, I will then schedule a time.
This is will be a final resource before banning begins. I am willing to put up the time if you guys are willing to cooperate.
Let me know what you all think.

My opinion
Better to keep the thread open for a specific rom version.
New versions new threads.
With this way problems with current version can be solved in its thread.
And for my point of view developers never must be banned or forced not to visit this forum.
They keep the keys to our problems and they are the life of this forum.

I have personally apologised to Feeyo for hi-jacking his thread. I have no issue with him directly, I just have an issue with the way he handled the situation earlier.
It's a joke that it's even come to this stage.
Leaving over this is an absolute over-reaction. Nobody wanted that. Nobody actually wanted you to take down your ROM at all. All that was requested was a thank you in the opening post. Instead, we got the over reaction of Feeyo removing his ROM, and claiming that it was the VillainROM team's fault.
As I said in Feeyo's thread, I have no problem with him at all, and welcome him as another developer in the community.
Before anyone starts - this is not about which ROM is better, and which thread has more views. Look at my relationship with Behnaam/RaiderX. Yes - they were competition, I suppose, but they are both friends of mine on GTalk. Many a time have we all helped one another with a ROM. If it was about jealousy - surely I'd be jealous of Behnaam? He's an excellent developer.
All I wanted from this whole situation is credit where it was due. That's a line of text in the post. Everything else could have remained the same and we could have moved on. I think the best thing to do is for Feeyo to come back to XDA and get over the situation. It's really not as big a deal as it has become. Calm down, think logically - and continue posting your ROMs.

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Let me know what you all think.
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on my view as a developer (not rom, but other-code) and as htc rom user i think:
It's a pitty that users are allowed to accuse someone to be a thief w/o having any evidence (see this link)
I think XDA lost the best Hero ROM (personal opinion), if Feeyo stays out
Flamers who flame in other threads should be punished hard and immediately. I see (and saw) different Villain-Users (User!! not Devs) who flame regular on other ROM threads
And from a coder point of view: I personally give a sh*t of credits. Im coding in GPL and or BSD license, but honestly, the whole GPL-Credit thingy is just an egomaniacal habit. I therefore mostly release on a BSD-alike license (but, ya this is personal)
With a bit of "nice" attitude the VR (Dev) team (nprussel&co) had the chance to not escalate this whole mess. But im not 100% sure if this (ever) was their intention.
Fact is, I lost (probably) a ROM. The best one so far. And I (as a user) give a f*** about the reasons, who started or who's right or not.

Andro1d said:
on my view as a developer (not rom, but other-code) and as htc rom user i think:
It's a pitty that users are allowed to accuse someone to be a thief w/o having any evidence (see this link)
I think XDA lost the best Hero ROM (personal opinion), if Feeyo stays out
Flamers who flame in other threads should be punished hard and immediately. I see (and saw) different Villain-Users (User!! not Devs) who flame regular on other ROM threads
And from a coder point of view: I personally give a sh*t of credits. Im coding in GPL and or BSD license, but honestly, the whole GPL-Credit thingy is just an egomaniacal habit. I therefore mostly release on a BSD-alike license (but, ya this is personal)
With a bit of "nice" attitude the VR (Dev) team (nprussel&co) had the chance to not escalate this whole mess.
Fact is, I lost (probably) a ROM. The best one so far. And I (as a user) dont give a f*** who started or who's right or not.
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you cant see the reasons behind it because they were deleted(by egz i belive), not gonna start it up here wait for the proper thread, but there was villain stuff found in his rom.

This should have been resolved by PM. It really shouldn't need this, but apparently it does.
To answer this question - yes, I think the town hall thing would be a good idea. We're not out to burn Feeyo, or anyone else for that matter.

nprussell said:
This should have been resolved by PM. It really shouldn't need this, but apparently it does.
To answer this question - yes, I think the town hall thing would be a good idea. We're not out to burn Feeyo, or anyone else for that matter.
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Well feeyo abused that by posting your pm in public (without permission)
further to that I agree mainly with the above, all we asked was for credit, then Feeyo took upon himself to remove his own rom (and blamed it on villain) then he has taken the extreme step to remove himself from xda and again (placed the blame on villain) when really we have done nothing wrong at all.
Maybe some of us got a bit angry but nothing majorly bad was said, at least not from what I saw.
It just got way out of hand and was not helped when respective "fan boys" and I hate using that term but it fits now, got involved.
It should have ended when I tried to end it hours ago, then again when the mod stepped in.
There has always been a culture of sharing on here, and villain has always been party to that, it has only been recently that a few "devs" have for whatever reason stopped this, it might be due to ignorance, but in some is due to the fact they are glory hunters (not naming who it is but we all know! and its not feeyo!)

Piercy0812 said:
you cant see the reasons behind it because they were deleted(by egz i belive), not gonna start it up here wait for the proper thread, but there was villain stuff found in his rom.
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you (YOU personally) accused feeyo that he has stolen code. So YOU should have evidence that he had. Not others. And thats exactly what I wrote above.
"I heard there was smthing that was wrong". Bwa... either you have evidence, or, just keep your hands off of the keyboard. thx.

Nobody will burn Feeyo because he didn´t do anything wrong.
There is a misunderstanding point here.. why all devs can hack everything without crediting anyone.. i didn´t see any credits to the originals android/google developers neither for the htc devs in any post from any rom..
So what´s the big deal of using someone theme in a rom???

dna777 said:
Nobody will burn Feeyo because he didn´t do anything wrong.
There is a misunderstanding point here.. why all devs can hack everything without crediting anyone.. i didn´t see any credits to the originals android/google developers neither for the htc devs in any post from any rom..
So what´s the big deal of using someone theme in a rom???
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See this is where the biggest part of the missunderstanding has occured, we are not talking about a theme here!

Lennyuk said:
well feeyo abused that by posting your pm in public (without permission)
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question: how would you on such a "problem".
on public: everything is calm, and nice, and all VR people are such nice guys
on pm: bwa, you should be banned for that but if you go down on your knees, then maybe we'll see
Feeyo's public posting of the pm was not nice, and not ok. 100% ack. But, you know for sure that there wasn't more behind the scenes ?
Nobody knows (beside of the involved parties, and their pm inboxes). And tbh i dont think we ever know what exactly happened. It's just a pitty how this whole thing escalated.

Andro1d said:
question: how would you on such a "problem".
on public: everything is calm, and nice, and all VR people are such nice guys
on pm: bwa, you should be banned for that but if you go down on your knees, then maybe we'll see
Feeyo's public posting of the pm was not nice, and not ok. 100% ack. But, you know for sure that there wasn't more behind the scenes ?
Nobody knows (beside of the involved parties, and their pm inboxes). And tbh i dont think we ever know what exactly happened. It's just a pitty how this whole thing escalated.
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Well I posted all my exchange Pm'd with feeyo on the villain thread (after he gave me permission) and it showed that I was generally trying to sort it out, no anger or accusations just a friendly member of the community, he then gave a bad language response probably due to him talking to others that I didn't know about at that time.
Both parties are probably at fault here for why it escalated the way it did, we just now need to move on, learn from this so it does not happen again.

Andro1d said:
you (YOU personally) accused feeyo that he has stolen code. So YOU should have evidence that he had. Not others. And thats exactly what I wrote above.
"I heard there was smthing that was wrong". Bwa... either you have evidence, or, just keep your hands off of the keyboard. thx.
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lol. im not even gonna bother writing a response to your obvious flame (did you not read the rules above?). as said, ill wait for the thread.

i voted no, i personally am done with uber-lameness of xda. @mods: nice try, but if you always wait for the very last moment (or even the one after that) it will break eventually. you have successfully split the hero community in two or more groups, congratulations. i will stay in mine, which is villainrom.
since criticism is not really an option here i expect this comment to be deleted soon, goodbye everyone who decides to stay here. there were some nice moments, although not too many of them. guess that is the fate of public forums without proper moderation...

kendong2 said:
i voted no, i personally am done with uber-lameness of xda. @mods: nice try, but if you always wait for the very last moment (or even the one after that) it will break eventually. you have successfully split the hero community in two or more groups, congratulations. i will stay in mine, which is villainrom.
since criticism is not really an option here i expect this comment to be deleted soon, goodbye everyone who decides to stay here. there were some nice moments, although not too many of them. guess that is the fate of public forums without proper moderation...
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i know that feeling, but im still optimistic.

Thats a playschool here. Really funny.
Since feeyo starts his work with the excelent cronos rom ppl try to give feeyo a bash/clout.
Anybody looks inside his roms to find a wrong part.
That ppl should better look into his own roms to fix the own buggy and laggy roms.
No meeting is needed. Use your brains ppl!
hf

I think that none of this would have mattered if it wasn't for the fact that cronos had the best ROM. The whole thing smacks of jealousy to me.
I'm sure that cronos did pinch some stuff and/or vice versa, but such is the nature of hacking.

spence91 said:
I'm sure that cronos did pinch some stuff and/or vice versa, but such is the nature of hacking.
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What you said it´s so clear.. and NOBODY can argue with that.
So what the problem at all?

spence91 said:
did pinch some stuff and/or vice versa, but such is the nature of hacking.
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Giving credit is not gonna kill him.

devil-kin said:
Giving credit is not gonna kill him.
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Yeah, but I cannot see credits to Feeyo for the stuff Villain guys took out of one of his earlier ROMs, or did i miss something?
That theme thing everythings about isn't even working correctly and would have been removed due to public moan in the next Rom again anyways!

My thoughts against unthankful users.

Just wanted to mention that all the users who attacked the devs have changed their tune since oem support is crap.
I've been holding my feeling against all the ignorant users who attacked the devs.
Thanks, that is all.

I'm not sure exactly what you were trying to say, but I got the gist of it.
And I agree.
That is all.

Translation:
All those who attacked the devs and coined them faildev.team are all of a sudden changing their tune now that they are speaking out about their projects, and OEM support has been so crappy.
Sad that people act like this.

I dont undestand why anyone would attack the developers. They aren't obligated to do anything, what they do is out of their own will and desire to better the device. If people have a problem with the phone then blame the manufacturer, not the people picking up after their mess.

Thanks for the translation...

FDro said:
I dont undestand why anyone would attack the developers. They aren't obligated to do anything, what they do is out of their own will and desire to better the device. If people have a problem with the phone then blame the manufacturer, not the people picking up after their mess.
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People demand instant gratification, and when they do not get it, they get ugly because they think for some reason, they are owed everything. Then there is the jealousy factor. Then there are those who think the devs withhold stuff from the community.
Then there are those who just attack me because they can.
The android community is young, and due to it being user friendly, it attracts young folks. Some just happen to be very immature. It *should* get better with time.

All this cool and dandy...
However developers also have some room to improve situation on the forums.
As adrynalyne pointed here there is a lot of childish behavior here. But developers, being leaders of community, not always behave as such.
I understand all sorts of emotions etc. I personally fall victim of them... Sorry if I hurted somebodys feelings.
But, I cannot stand some sort of elitism growing here.
Devs, please do not threat rest of the crowd as a bunch of morons! It will reflect positively on you as well.
If you have time to read all crappy posts on the forums and post aggravated responses, why do not spend this time typing meaningful response, holding grain of knowledge? If not, just stay calm and do not feed flame.
I do not want to repeat myself again and again. Just want to see some professionalism and respect in forums. It's not going to help moving to IRC, twitter or whatever. Root cause must be resolved.
Personally I was really impressed, more by anything else, of adrynalyne responding to that guy posted leak on other forums. Seriously! It was so different from how I percept him at forum. Like completely different person.
Respect!

While moving to irc may be unfortunate for some...it provides real time interaction for development. That simply is not possible on a forum. I work with a lot of people, and can fix problems 90% faster in real time.
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FDro said:
I dont undestand why anyone would attack the developers. They aren't obligated to do anything, what they do is out of their own will and desire to better the device. If people have a problem with the phone then blame the manufacturer, not the people picking up after their mess.
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I totally agree, the devs have my support in anything that they do, in whatever time frame they can make happen. Still better then the OEM time frame for an "update".

i hope the poster(s) who jumped all over the devs awhile back (i forget who) arent using anything that they have done recently and will avoid froyo/gb unless it comes from verizon/samsung

nitsuj17 said:
i hope the poster(s) who jumped all over the devs awhile back (i forget who) arent using anything that they have done recently and will avoid froyo/gb unless it comes from verizon/samsung
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agreed
10char

adrynalyne said:
While moving to irc may be unfortunate for some...it provides real time interaction for development. That simply is not possible on a forum. I work with a lot of people, and can fix problems 90% faster in real time.
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And that's OK. Unfortunately it doesn't leave any footprints anywhere else.
That's why we same questions everyday... Technical or whatever. The commonality between them is that they do not have posted answers here.
I'm talking for myself only. Please do not take it personally in any way and keep in mind that my English is not my native language, so something might sound harsh.
Like I got an understanding that RIL is the problem, by I was unable to find any technical explanation why, what was done to overcome etc. So, I asked here... I even do not want to think about what resulted. And all I wanted to have some technical answer, and may be share some ideas, because I'm in the IT field as well...
Now, looks whats going on around. Punkkaos got it working at least partially. I understand that other people contributed, and work probably started not 10 minutes ago. But nonetheless RIL is in progress or already done.
How I suppose to feel about this? I'm mixed.
Fist of all I'm THANKFUL for you guys who put all time and efforts in this! I'm not going to use it immediately, but I like that secure feeling that phone will not become a paperweight in 6 months down the road. I definitely will enjoy results of this work in the close future.
But, I need to admit that I have another side, as well. It's not necessarily dark, just kind of human nature, I guess. It kind of disappointment...
I ask myself - well, if it is done and done pretty quickly, why it didn't happened before? Months ago...
Like, just an assumption, please do not take it personally.
I think what if devs took a quick look and it didn't worked immediately and samsung promised update soon. People think - OK, we will wait for update, not worth to spend time on it. But time goes and goes and there is no update or leak... And tension is going up and up. And all this is OK and well understood. But doesn't solve the problem.
Yesterday, I've created twitter account (yes, call me a dinosaur) and specifically asked punkkaos how he addressed the problem. And guess what, he answered as expected that RIL is basically adapted and he does call result translation between old and new one. This is exactly how I would personally approach this problem myself.
My point here is that aside of actual work to be done, it is not rocket science. It is well known approach in programming.
And now you can throw all rocks you have into me, saying that if I so smart ass why I do not do it myself. That, right.
But, I know my limits and I'm not going to wipe out one of my comps, partition it to install Linux, to install tool chain, sources etc, to reinstall Windows and all crap me and my family needs in everyday life, just to try adapt RIL knowing that I will fail, because of my zero knowledge of subject. Or, even worse without knowing that it was already attempted and failed. And it was attempted by someone who is really ample to do it. Do you see holding factors?
That's why I asked questions. And being this question answered properly, who knows, may be another brave soul would had managed to accomplish what punkkaos did, but one month earlier, simpler or better. I feel like bad temper and communication let community down, at least temporarily.
And I think we are all at fault here. No need to point fingers.

No one is at 'fault' here. Your sense of entitlement is astounding; you are not owed anything. This OP was directed at people like you.

phooky said:
No one is at 'fault' here. Your sense of entitlement is astounding; you are not owed anything. This OP was directed at people like you.
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Did I ever said that I'm owed? My grief is about this particular community in general. And because we all members, we all equally responsible for a atmosphere here. Or you think that bashing somebody here helps a lot?
And you know what? OP is right at the moment, I'll stay away from any custom roms or mods or whatever. At least for now. Because to be "cool" is not only thing in my life anymore. I outgrown it long time ago.
My crave for update is stemming not from desire to have highest score in quadrant, but from wish to have stable, usable and secure platform, from which IMHO any current phone is far away.
Out of the box SF is fairly usable, thought not ideal. Having Froyo and GB, means that I can get all bug fixes, improvements and new features such as native code extensions for applications and games, enterprise stuff etc.
Using rooted phone might be OK for me, but definitely not for my wife or children. So, manufacturer support is still important. Unfortunately my believe in Samsung faded out very quickly. And that essentially raised importance of independent developers proportionally. I do not see anything wrong with it.

phooky said:
No one is at 'fault' here. Your sense of entitlement is astounding; you are not owed anything. This OP was directed at people like you.
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this guy does not seem to be in the entitlement crowd. He even states that english is a second language and to cut him some slack. I think what he was trying to say is that he was disappointed that samsung kept getting everybodies hopes up, which may have pushed devs off of working on getting things rolling for this device (why wouldn't they wait when they are being told froyo is on the way? From what I understand it would be easier to rip through that and make changes than to pull it off a different phone and sort of start from scratch). This doesn't sound too "tinfoil hat" to me, and certaintly doesn;t come off as entitled. More like he was pointing out one possible contributing factor as to why there has been a lot of waiting around (not complaining here guys, statement of fact. Did/do appreciate all the nonfroyo/gb roms and fixes that have been pushed out for us) for word of froyo. Now that Kaos/JT/Birdman have gotten some Froyo alpha's posted up, I am getting the feeling that the floodgates are about to open.

2 cents
I am not a developer.
My phone was decent out of the box.
Thanks to all the developers hard work, that i don't yet have the ability to do, my phone has gone from decent to fantastic.
The best part is that they aren't done yet
The future is exciting and if i ever think i am entitled to anything from someone elses work then, please, someone on here ***** slap me.
To all developers on here....you have my respect and gratitude. You have improved my life and saved my ass more than once. (Or twice)
Please keep doing your thing. And when i learn how to help i will.
Sent from my fascinate through xda app.

Well, the goal isn't to instill hostility, but to bring awareness to be thankful.
I can see what CNemo means because he doesn't understand what's going on. I can assure you that there is no intended elitism going on. Most of the roms tested in irc are shared here as soon as they are determined to be stable enough for testing.
It may seem like there is no transparency, but actually if you care, there is... The source codes are public. You can see what the devs are doing on github.

Yeah I've tried the whole, "Im just gonna throw it out there on the forums" thing. It does not work well, and you end up ticking people off when things stop working. Always best for the IRC crowd to muddle through the stuff first.

adrynalyne said:
Yeah I've tried the whole, "Im just gonna throw it out there on the forums" thing. It does not work well, and you end up ticking people off when things stop working. Always best for the IRC crowd to muddle through the stuff first.
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I agree and disagree. I disagree because it's nice to have this stuff in the forums where more people can try it. On the other hand, no matter how many warnings you give, there are going to be those who AREN'T comfortable with ADB, etc and go ahead and do it anyway... then we as a community lose valuable time while you fix everyone's fubar. It's frustrating to me, I can only imagine being on the other side. As far as Devs go, I don't envy them... It's the utimate "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.
Aside from donations and thanks, the other way to support the Dev community is to PAY for apps. I have quite a few paid apps on my phone. The only caveat to that is when I'm looking at an app and I'm unsure if I want/need it. From time to time I'll grab it from ********* and give it a 5min test spin. If it works, I uninstall and grab it from the Market. If it doesn't, I just uninstall. I know (for the most part) that we're talking about two separate types of devs, but the point is the same... if you're using someone's work... support them!
In response to the post above, I think I get what he was saying... I've done some programming (old school, mostly... BASIC, MS Acess) and while that doesn't really apply to Android at ALL, there may be some of us that have ideas that could help. In the end, a variable is a variable is a variable. I've thrown questions and ideas out only to be ignored. I don't take it personally, but even a "no, dip****... it doesn't work like that" would be appreaciated

No seriously, the guys in IRC will flash anything thrown at them... Some of them will end up with serious issues that were found to be seriously flawed.
Here's an example. VooDoo 5. When it first started rolling around in IRC from jt, it was considered unstable. It did not have the tools required for the average user to repair their phone. Adrynalyne preemptively produced the DI01 all in one ROM to repair everything from the radio, the kernel, the MBR, the recovery even... Did Adrynalyne have to do that? No, he did it because he knew that kinds of issues that would arrive when VooDoo 5 was introduced. Then VooDoo 5 was released.
Compared to VooDoo 4, the amount of incidents are exponentially less because of Adrynalyne putting a fix out there.
Also with phone repairs, it's much easier to help someone fix something in real time than it is to wait on them to try something, post, wait for response, in that sequence than it is to discuss the repair live in a chatroom.
BTW, this is in no offense to anyone. This is to clarify why some of the people are perceived as elitists. It's not that the IRC crowd are elitists, it's that they're more up to date with the latest development because they're busy flashing and screwing up their phones first so that you don't have to. On the same token, if you want to learn/test latest development, hop on IRC and ask any of the guys in #Samsung-Fascinate for help. It's very friendly in there contrary to what you would think (as long as you're not wozzy/sherwood1).

Samsung/XDA part2

I haven't forgot about you guys. Today we had a meeting with XDA owners via telephone. Were just getting everything ready before we make a huge announcement. I told you guys I'm NOT going to let you guys down. Just be a little patient.
Thanks
TwitterSamsungJohn

Nice to hear from you John. Looking forward to hearing the news.

Interesting to hear.. But I wish it wasn't so "hush hush", because otherwise it starts to feel less of an equal community.

i guess i missed the part1.
what is this all about ?

I guess that instead of making another threads/parts it would be good to pin this thread down.
I, honestly, am very happy and interested in seeing how this cooperation will progress in time (and of course I'm not the only one here).
It's very encouraging to see company such as Samsung to start a cooperation (at whatever level) it gives kind of "legitimacy" to what people do here (although legitimacy might be too strong word, but still).
Either way I'm thrilled to see what the feature brings.
Regards,
Pawel

Hi there, John!
I personally am happy to see this sort of reach from a big company toward the ”little people” who often do more that a giant.
I also am wary regarding any possible positive outcome, considering you still have to overcome a strict and rigid hierarchy, while independent devs here are free to move as they please.
But it's nonetheless a great thing if Samsung really wants to be ”more open”.
Only one question: why, of all Sammy subsidiaries, has Seoul chosen Dallas (or any other US city for that matter), given that the most powerful and fruitful development effort was and still is directed towards Europe (SGS's biggest market to date)?
Cheers and all the best,
V.

Does the XDA-site administration actually produce anything on its own? Most (all?) of the people doing the actual hacking are members of the forum rather than working for it. It'll be interesting to see what they come up with... Coding/Hacking challenges? Can't really see much else that would actually need a collaboration with XDA instead of with the coders/hackers directly.

we're doing something but we won't tell you what!
but it's exciting i promise you!! we've discussed it with VIPs (which you are not part of, noob xda forum user!) and you may or may not see something about it later and it may or may not be exciting at all in the end (such as: oh look we opened a sgs 2 section !11)
oh god how much i dislike marketing lol
please, if you're going to do something for the community, just say it straight or don't say it at all

very good step by samsung

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we're doing something but we won't tell you what!
but it's exciting i promise you!!
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Last time someone told similar things I had to pay more tax, the kindergarten was more expensive and the atomic power plant contracts were extended instead of using cheap and tiny water power from Norway.
just say it straight or don't say it at all
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Straight talk - that's it.
If it is confidential keep it confidential until a result is ready to be announced officially.

bilboa1 said:
we're doing something but we won't tell you what!
but it's exciting i promise you!! we've discussed it with VIPs (which you are not part of, noob xda forum user!) and you may or may not see something about it later and it may or may not be exciting at all in the end (such as: oh look we opened a sgs 2 section !11)
please, if you're going to do something for the community, just say it straight or don't say it at all
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Excellent points!
+1.

hopefully good news to come!

i'll keep this topic open as long as XDA members behave themselves in a polite manner
lets try to be constructive, and make the best of this endeavor with Samsung.
It's not an every day chance that you see Big corporations willing to listen.

AllGamer said:
i'll keep this topic open as long as XDA members behave themselves in a polite manner
lets try to be constructive, and make the best of this endeavor with Samsung.
It's not an every day chance that you see Big corporations willing to listen.
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There are only two now open, because of all the bashing - I'm cautiously hopeful that this is going to be a great thing, Samsung actually listening.....

I'm sure the bashing and mob mentality being displayed here will endear the manufacturer to this community and force it to listen to us. People use some common sense and stop advertising just how uneducated and uncultured you are. Here we potentially have a manufacturer reaching out and testing the water, hoping to gather information from it's user community to better it's device and service to us but you idiots seem hell bent on driving them off. MORONS!

Thank you so much Samsung for this recognition of our community, it means a lot and we all are thankful. Can't wait to see what comes of this.
Please keep us informed
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I'd like to think 2.3, with input and improvements from the 'XDA elite' (I'll name no names ).
But I won't be upset if this is not the case, nothing bad can come of this joint venture...
(and I know I shouldn't, but I had to laugh )

If ever something does come out of this, I think xda should have a "developers only" sub-section where devs can collaborate with manufacturers. Regular users can still read, but only devs can post. We shall leave it to the owners to decide who is a "dev" and who isn't. That should help keep the riff-raff out. I'm tired of seeing threads in the dev section filled with the same stupid questions over and over again.

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[Q] "Huge Announcement"?

OK, preface: I don't want your sarcasm or cheeky remarks. I'm sick of reading through irrelevant and closed threads to no avail.
If it were agreeable, would a MOD, or SamsungJohn please comment as to whether the "huge announcement" has been made?
I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but I have my own personal thoughts as to whether "opening the lines of communication" is considered "huge", or even an "announcement". If the powers that be allow, I would like to comment to SamsungJohn about that personally.

Meetloaf13 said:
OK, preface: I don't want your sarcasm or cheeky remarks. I'm sick of reading through irrelevant and closed threads to no avail.
If it were agreeable, would a MOD, or SamsungJohn please comment as to whether the "huge announcement" has been made?
I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but I have my own personal thoughts as to whether "opening the lines of communication" is considered "huge", or even an "announcement". If the powers that be allow, I would like to comment to SamsungJohn about that personally.
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Send him a PM then.

The dude is full of crap.
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REALLY?....guys just wait you don't even know what he's going to announce.
He has proven he works for Samsung so he's not fake and is talking to the higher ups
.....Just wait we don't know what he's even capable of or what he's going to do for our community.

Isaint the announcement was that they have started a q&a with a poll that's it bro
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O my bad dude 8(
...lol i still don't see it though where did you guys see this?

EB13 Imminent?
So is this the "huge announcement"?
http://www.androidcentral.com/froyo-eb01-release-imminent-sprint-epic-4g
Android central suggests that the EB13 update is "imminent" and that sprint has been making changes to its customer service page in advance of this.
EDIT: Actually I think they are suggesting that Samsung is updating its Epic 4g page. Hopwever, when I follow AC's link it just goes to a blank page with a little form at the bottom asking if I was satisfied with the content. I said "no".

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So is this the "huge announcement"?
http://www.androidcentral.com/froyo-eb01-release-imminent-sprint-epic-4g
Android central suggests that the EB13 update is "imminent" and that sprint has been making changes to its customer service page in advance of this.
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No. That's not even confirmed. The big announcement is yet to be announced, everyone just be patient.
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dr_gibberish said:
So is this the "huge announcement"?
http://www.androidcentral.com/froyo-eb01-release-imminent-sprint-epic-4g
Android central suggests that the EB13 update is "imminent" and that sprint has been making changes to its customer service page in advance of this.
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This announcement of EB13 is good for us Epic owners, but that does not effect all Galaxy S owners. I think the better news is that John is here to make sure we don't have another debacle like this whole Froyo update. Samsung realizes the influence we have and to have a line of communication between a Manufacturer and a dev forum is unprecedented.

IF the poll he is compiling is the 'big news', then if it actually bears fruit, that could be useful. Not sure that is the announcement. I think he shot himself in the foot promising an announcement, maybe official collaboration between him and svetius is a big deal to him, but until it bears fruit, it's not that impressive to the average XDA user. This leads me to believe that the poll may not be the announcement, just another part of the work he is trying to accomplish here. Give him a shot, and dont ***** about froyo, he said its on the list, wait and see what he does.
Silly flaming about froyo on here is only going to get threads closed, and give him an excuse to ignore the issue. If you must, do it on the social network sites, or PM him, then you can get your temp ban, and threads stay open...
As speculated in one of the general threads, (ran out of thanks if I didnt catch it), he MAY be sent here as a distraction, to keep us off twitter, FB, and the other retarded social networking forums. He is from that dept, maybe he is cleaning it up by distracting us...? Kind of an elaborate conspiricy, but who knows. Those that have been doing the twitter/FB campaigns, dont let up, it may be working... but keep the crazy comments there, as it will draw more attention to the unrooted masses...
HOPING SJohn is making such a big deal because he knows something he cant say yet... just hope he doesnt drag it out and announce froyo on the 20th!
This still reminds me of the Fallout3/Vegas on the PS3 BS...

Working nights sucks! I go to bed and all the fun comes and all I find are locked threads after a cup of coffee when I wake up. :/
So how many armchair bandits have actually sent a pm to the xda owner on what we might do as requested? I did suggest a moderated forum where posts are only posted until after being reviewed by a mod. While I'm no dev I did offer to help out with such an endeavour.

Why don't you guys just give him a chance. His hands are tired right now and be can't say anything untill xda allows him.
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As speculated in one of the general threads, (ran out of thanks if I didnt catch it), he MAY be sent here as a distraction, to keep us off twitter, FB, and the other retarded social networking forums. He is from that dept, maybe he is cleaning it up by distracting us...? Kind of an elaborate conspiricy, but who knows.
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The first part of your post was spot-on....the above though is way too tinfoil hat and outside the realm of the feasible or credible. There's no way anyone in a position like his is going to come here or elsewhere to simply serve 'as a distraction'. Frustrations especially amongst we Epic owners are understandable to a point, but the above manner of thinking goes beyond frustration and crosses the line into bizzare paranoia.
It seems fairly obvious and certainly logical what's happened with John to this point, and in hindsight predictable too given the angst here; he came primarily with the hopeful purpose to collaborate with the people actually doing ROM/device development here, to try and establish a relationship with these folks perhaps to mutual benefit for both current and future product/customers. Unfortunately, the initial implementation came a bit too soon and without enough forethought and, it seems, without communicating his intentions and initiating a dialogue with the XDA owners first. That, combined with (a.) some obvious communication 'ambiguity' (at best) on John's part and (b.) making the mistake of thinking such a dialogue should be brought forth and attempted with the open masses of the entire membership of XDA down to the end user level and all the kneejerk 'angry white noise' therein, proved to be a disaster.
None of that means the desire and effort behind what John/Samsung is attempting is without value or merit though. And fortunately, it now sounds like they're going to try isolating his interaction purely with the dev/material contributers that actually matter, and hopefully they'll do so privately as well to keep everything filtered from the mob mentality so that an actual civil, mature interactive process can take place. Besides, a great deal of what he was barraged with in the central 'General' thread were issues that are mired on the carrier level anyway at least when it comes to the remaining GS phones still lacking Froyo.
And honestly, any information the end users want to hear, if he can even provide such, would be better received and trusted if its handed down through already established devs & moderators in each forum who have the history and respect of the membership at large to some degree. Otherwise you get what you've gotten the last 24 hours; a mindless, angry lynch mob mentality of kneejerk frustration being directed at one sole employee who (a.) had nothing personally to do with the cause of said frustration, and (b.) furthermore actually dares to come in good faith & intention wishing to bridge the divide. Sometimes, the hounds become so rabid and lose their minds so much that they try to gnaw off the good intentioned hand that attempts to try and help or feed them, and that's pretty much what happened in John's case.

Although it would be cool, I highly doubt that XDA is doing and hands-tying here. The ball has bee Sammy's court for a while now.
XDA has been walking the walk, not talking the talk.
If the 'huge announcement' was to announce the efforts of "collaboration", fine, we can move forward.
If a MOD came and commented YAY or NAY, then they could close this thread, and it's purpose would be served.
As it stands now, you have a bunch of people making assumptions one way or the other and making silly statements accordingly. We all what assuming does... =D

how do you know about my tinfoil hat?! No, really, its all Noobnl and Elvis' fault. Bastards.
I honestly hope John does something more than get special threads and draw attention to XDA. But you had a good idea there....
Any Mod/Admin have any input????
Was the announcement the first post of the 2 or 3 threads SJ started, or were they to lead up to the announcement, and were hijacked by angry SGS users with pitchforks acting like John is Frankenstein's monster??
BTW, did anyone notice the GSM SGS users were much more rabid in the General forums???? I guess its because of their rates/service ratio Seriously though, I thought we were bad...

it is getting all hyped up and will probably turn out to be meh...

ungovernable1977 said:
how do you know about my tinfoil hat?! No, really, its all Noobnl and Elvis' fault. Bastards.
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Haha, I wasn't referencing you personally, just the 'threads' you were referencing and the mentality portrayed therein.

Hehe, you can't say "huge announcement" to a bunch of nerds and not have it be something that gives them their techie-jimmies for the day.
When I think of "huge announcement", I think something really relevant to the target crowd that either appeases are very much wanted need, or announcing something crazy that gets everyone excited.
If either of these things fails to happen, I consider this a major PR gaffe, that could be saved be some out of the ordinary effort by Sammy.
Silly mens!

Meetloaf13 said:
Hehe, you can't say "huge announcement" to a bunch of nerds and not have it be something that gives them their techie-jimmies for the day.
When I think of "huge announcement", I think something really relevant to the target crowd that either appeases are very much wanted need, or announcing something crazy that gets everyone excited.
If either of these things fails to happen, I consider this a major PR gaffe, that could be saved be some out of the ordinary effort by Sammy.
Silly mens!
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Agreed fully. That is what makes this so puzzling. Stop being so damn ambiguous SamsungJohn and just come out and tell us in no uncertain terms what the announcement is and what you would like from us.

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Haha, I wasn't referencing you personally, just the 'threads' you were referencing and the mentality portrayed therein.
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oh I know... I just referenced the 'distraction theory', as it is PLAUSIBLE, although not likely... plus its entertaining... this is like my geek soap opera.... please SPRINT, please take this as far as you can... I really wanna see minds lost here.
The best part is that some of these theories end up on so called media websites, Engadget, I got my HTC assassin theory from a very reliable source... please write an 'article' about it... why not... ?

Tester

Just putting it out there that I would love to be a tester for the Galaxy SII, I have the original one, I have flash and went through 90% of every ROM up for it in both sections the original section and regular section, I just love flashing and going through Roms and would love to just help out someone with there Rom and do whatever it is they need me to do as far as testing, please hit me back. I hope I posted this is the right place if not, I will watch the Noob video 20 times in a row for punishment.

ah ok...... that's an idea

Original SGS II ? No kidding! :|

At first, I thought of this as just a pointless thread - but you got me thinking... What if we were to create a thread where people can nominate themselves as alpha/beta/etc. testers for ROM/Kernel developers? The difference lying in that to be eligible for a position, you'd have to prove that you have basic knowledge of how to recover from, for example, a bootloop, or a device that won't even boot, or constant FCs, etc. etc., along with again, pretty basic ADB knowledge, how to create and restore a NANDroid backup, and things like that. It'd come with the usual disclaimer stating that all responsibilities lie with the user, not the developer, and while the developer may be willing to provide support for bugs, etc., they are not liable for any damage resulting either directly or indirectly from the use of their software.
This would solve two things - it would satisfy those who just can't stand to wait for the release of something, who like to always live on the bleeding edge of development, and it would provide the developers a huge testing platform.
In review, though, this provides to main issues: 1) people would only be able to test one thing at a time, e.g. you're not going to be allowed to test a beta ROM with an alpha kernel, for example - it creates too many variables, and makes it harder for the developers to isolate and fix problems - but this shouldn't be an issue for people, just pick what you want and stick with it, and 2) people who leak the otherwise tester-restricted software for the masses - but this can be solved easily: maintain a list of official testers. Anyone who comes begging for support because they went ahead and flashed some leaked ROM/kernel/whatever, and ended up without a working device without being on the list, can be denied support for breaking the rules. Moreover, they, along with the leaker, could potentially face site-imposed bans?
I'll cut the rambling here, but I think it's a good idea?

As a ROM developer, its a great idea.
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Thinking about it, not bad idea. But to back sceamworks up a bit, there should be a number of post limit, Some form of history for the dev`s to see who is a Noob (sorry Noobs) and who is not...

I'm in
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I like the idea and I too would be glad to help people testing there ROMs.
It also seems nice to have a thread where people (like me or the OP) can set them self available for testing.

Most real developers pick their team from watching the threads and see how is willing to put the time in and know how to properly test as well as offer ideas on fixes. But not a bad idea I guess for new rom developers

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Thinking about it, not bad idea. But to back sceamworks up a bit, there should be a number of post limit, Some form of history for the dev`s to see who is a Noob (sorry Noobs) and who is not...
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I agree completely, I'd say 50-100 would be a fair starting point? I might PM some devs sometime soon with a proper proposal, and if I get a positive response from a majority of them, I might draft something, and get some official names on-board.
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Most real developers pick their team from watching the threads and see how is willing to put the time in and know how to properly test as well as offer ideas on fixes. But not a bad idea I guess for new rom developers
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I considered this, and I think if anything brings the idea down, it'll be that - it's a hard sell to make, and I'd love to say that there's no harm in trying, but really, there is, so I guess execution is everything?

Good idea, im in....