OK, preface: I don't want your sarcasm or cheeky remarks. I'm sick of reading through irrelevant and closed threads to no avail.
If it were agreeable, would a MOD, or SamsungJohn please comment as to whether the "huge announcement" has been made?
I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but I have my own personal thoughts as to whether "opening the lines of communication" is considered "huge", or even an "announcement". If the powers that be allow, I would like to comment to SamsungJohn about that personally.
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OK, preface: I don't want your sarcasm or cheeky remarks. I'm sick of reading through irrelevant and closed threads to no avail.
If it were agreeable, would a MOD, or SamsungJohn please comment as to whether the "huge announcement" has been made?
I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but I have my own personal thoughts as to whether "opening the lines of communication" is considered "huge", or even an "announcement". If the powers that be allow, I would like to comment to SamsungJohn about that personally.
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Send him a PM then.
The dude is full of crap.
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REALLY?....guys just wait you don't even know what he's going to announce.
He has proven he works for Samsung so he's not fake and is talking to the higher ups
.....Just wait we don't know what he's even capable of or what he's going to do for our community.
Isaint the announcement was that they have started a q&a with a poll that's it bro
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O my bad dude 8(
...lol i still don't see it though where did you guys see this?
EB13 Imminent?
So is this the "huge announcement"?
http://www.androidcentral.com/froyo-eb01-release-imminent-sprint-epic-4g
Android central suggests that the EB13 update is "imminent" and that sprint has been making changes to its customer service page in advance of this.
EDIT: Actually I think they are suggesting that Samsung is updating its Epic 4g page. Hopwever, when I follow AC's link it just goes to a blank page with a little form at the bottom asking if I was satisfied with the content. I said "no".
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So is this the "huge announcement"?
http://www.androidcentral.com/froyo-eb01-release-imminent-sprint-epic-4g
Android central suggests that the EB13 update is "imminent" and that sprint has been making changes to its customer service page in advance of this.
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No. That's not even confirmed. The big announcement is yet to be announced, everyone just be patient.
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dr_gibberish said:
So is this the "huge announcement"?
http://www.androidcentral.com/froyo-eb01-release-imminent-sprint-epic-4g
Android central suggests that the EB13 update is "imminent" and that sprint has been making changes to its customer service page in advance of this.
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This announcement of EB13 is good for us Epic owners, but that does not effect all Galaxy S owners. I think the better news is that John is here to make sure we don't have another debacle like this whole Froyo update. Samsung realizes the influence we have and to have a line of communication between a Manufacturer and a dev forum is unprecedented.
IF the poll he is compiling is the 'big news', then if it actually bears fruit, that could be useful. Not sure that is the announcement. I think he shot himself in the foot promising an announcement, maybe official collaboration between him and svetius is a big deal to him, but until it bears fruit, it's not that impressive to the average XDA user. This leads me to believe that the poll may not be the announcement, just another part of the work he is trying to accomplish here. Give him a shot, and dont ***** about froyo, he said its on the list, wait and see what he does.
Silly flaming about froyo on here is only going to get threads closed, and give him an excuse to ignore the issue. If you must, do it on the social network sites, or PM him, then you can get your temp ban, and threads stay open...
As speculated in one of the general threads, (ran out of thanks if I didnt catch it), he MAY be sent here as a distraction, to keep us off twitter, FB, and the other retarded social networking forums. He is from that dept, maybe he is cleaning it up by distracting us...? Kind of an elaborate conspiricy, but who knows. Those that have been doing the twitter/FB campaigns, dont let up, it may be working... but keep the crazy comments there, as it will draw more attention to the unrooted masses...
HOPING SJohn is making such a big deal because he knows something he cant say yet... just hope he doesnt drag it out and announce froyo on the 20th!
This still reminds me of the Fallout3/Vegas on the PS3 BS...
Working nights sucks! I go to bed and all the fun comes and all I find are locked threads after a cup of coffee when I wake up. :/
So how many armchair bandits have actually sent a pm to the xda owner on what we might do as requested? I did suggest a moderated forum where posts are only posted until after being reviewed by a mod. While I'm no dev I did offer to help out with such an endeavour.
Why don't you guys just give him a chance. His hands are tired right now and be can't say anything untill xda allows him.
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As speculated in one of the general threads, (ran out of thanks if I didnt catch it), he MAY be sent here as a distraction, to keep us off twitter, FB, and the other retarded social networking forums. He is from that dept, maybe he is cleaning it up by distracting us...? Kind of an elaborate conspiricy, but who knows.
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The first part of your post was spot-on....the above though is way too tinfoil hat and outside the realm of the feasible or credible. There's no way anyone in a position like his is going to come here or elsewhere to simply serve 'as a distraction'. Frustrations especially amongst we Epic owners are understandable to a point, but the above manner of thinking goes beyond frustration and crosses the line into bizzare paranoia.
It seems fairly obvious and certainly logical what's happened with John to this point, and in hindsight predictable too given the angst here; he came primarily with the hopeful purpose to collaborate with the people actually doing ROM/device development here, to try and establish a relationship with these folks perhaps to mutual benefit for both current and future product/customers. Unfortunately, the initial implementation came a bit too soon and without enough forethought and, it seems, without communicating his intentions and initiating a dialogue with the XDA owners first. That, combined with (a.) some obvious communication 'ambiguity' (at best) on John's part and (b.) making the mistake of thinking such a dialogue should be brought forth and attempted with the open masses of the entire membership of XDA down to the end user level and all the kneejerk 'angry white noise' therein, proved to be a disaster.
None of that means the desire and effort behind what John/Samsung is attempting is without value or merit though. And fortunately, it now sounds like they're going to try isolating his interaction purely with the dev/material contributers that actually matter, and hopefully they'll do so privately as well to keep everything filtered from the mob mentality so that an actual civil, mature interactive process can take place. Besides, a great deal of what he was barraged with in the central 'General' thread were issues that are mired on the carrier level anyway at least when it comes to the remaining GS phones still lacking Froyo.
And honestly, any information the end users want to hear, if he can even provide such, would be better received and trusted if its handed down through already established devs & moderators in each forum who have the history and respect of the membership at large to some degree. Otherwise you get what you've gotten the last 24 hours; a mindless, angry lynch mob mentality of kneejerk frustration being directed at one sole employee who (a.) had nothing personally to do with the cause of said frustration, and (b.) furthermore actually dares to come in good faith & intention wishing to bridge the divide. Sometimes, the hounds become so rabid and lose their minds so much that they try to gnaw off the good intentioned hand that attempts to try and help or feed them, and that's pretty much what happened in John's case.
Although it would be cool, I highly doubt that XDA is doing and hands-tying here. The ball has bee Sammy's court for a while now.
XDA has been walking the walk, not talking the talk.
If the 'huge announcement' was to announce the efforts of "collaboration", fine, we can move forward.
If a MOD came and commented YAY or NAY, then they could close this thread, and it's purpose would be served.
As it stands now, you have a bunch of people making assumptions one way or the other and making silly statements accordingly. We all what assuming does... =D
how do you know about my tinfoil hat?! No, really, its all Noobnl and Elvis' fault. Bastards.
I honestly hope John does something more than get special threads and draw attention to XDA. But you had a good idea there....
Any Mod/Admin have any input????
Was the announcement the first post of the 2 or 3 threads SJ started, or were they to lead up to the announcement, and were hijacked by angry SGS users with pitchforks acting like John is Frankenstein's monster??
BTW, did anyone notice the GSM SGS users were much more rabid in the General forums???? I guess its because of their rates/service ratio Seriously though, I thought we were bad...
it is getting all hyped up and will probably turn out to be meh...
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how do you know about my tinfoil hat?! No, really, its all Noobnl and Elvis' fault. Bastards.
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Haha, I wasn't referencing you personally, just the 'threads' you were referencing and the mentality portrayed therein.
Hehe, you can't say "huge announcement" to a bunch of nerds and not have it be something that gives them their techie-jimmies for the day.
When I think of "huge announcement", I think something really relevant to the target crowd that either appeases are very much wanted need, or announcing something crazy that gets everyone excited.
If either of these things fails to happen, I consider this a major PR gaffe, that could be saved be some out of the ordinary effort by Sammy.
Silly mens!
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Hehe, you can't say "huge announcement" to a bunch of nerds and not have it be something that gives them their techie-jimmies for the day.
When I think of "huge announcement", I think something really relevant to the target crowd that either appeases are very much wanted need, or announcing something crazy that gets everyone excited.
If either of these things fails to happen, I consider this a major PR gaffe, that could be saved be some out of the ordinary effort by Sammy.
Silly mens!
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Agreed fully. That is what makes this so puzzling. Stop being so damn ambiguous SamsungJohn and just come out and tell us in no uncertain terms what the announcement is and what you would like from us.
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Haha, I wasn't referencing you personally, just the 'threads' you were referencing and the mentality portrayed therein.
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oh I know... I just referenced the 'distraction theory', as it is PLAUSIBLE, although not likely... plus its entertaining... this is like my geek soap opera.... please SPRINT, please take this as far as you can... I really wanna see minds lost here.
The best part is that some of these theories end up on so called media websites, Engadget, I got my HTC assassin theory from a very reliable source... please write an 'article' about it... why not... ?
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I sent several complaints to htc and got response from different reps.
Rep#1
"Thank you for your reply. You are correct that the Sprint EVO 4G is locked in at 30FPS. Since the HTC EVO 4G employs a unique HDMI output to deliver video in HD quality to an external display, the hardware graphics driver interface on the HTC EVO 4G uses significant resources for the HDMI output and therefore displays graphics at 30 frames per second on the integrated display. This is a hardware, and not a software, limitation. It’s important to keep in mind that content including most movies and television, are created to run at between 24 and 30 frames per second. The 30FPS is a hardware limitation. This should not present a major issue for most Android applications; however, the customer may have some issues with some 2D or 3D applications. We have also found that some games may be impacted by this limitation.
The device has been locked at 30 FPS due to enhance overall performance in the device. By lowering the FPS of the device the CPU works less. This increases the battery life of the device. There may be third party options available to remove this limitation; however HTC does not condone the use of, support the use of, or offer technical assistance with regard to these third party solutions. I do apologize for any inconvenience you may have experience."
Rep#2
"Thank you for taking the time to contact HTC America Technical Support via E-Mail with your comment regarding the fps of your HTC EVO 4G. I understand how important it is for your device to function to your specifications and I apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you.
We are investigating the viability of claims that the limitation of 30fps can be overcome by software changes. As soon as we finish our investigations, HTC will announce its findings. There may be third party options available to remove this limitation; however HTC does not condone the use of, support the use of, or offer technical assistance with regard to these third party solutions.
If we can be of further assistance with setting up your sync program, please don’t hesitate to call 1.866.449.8358. We are available Sunday through Saturday 6:00 a.m. until 1:00."
Its htc really trying to find a solution or are they just full of it?
What do you think?
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Please.... This belongs in the general section.
really really wish mods would temp ban people for this
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Please.... This belongs in the general section.
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really really wish mods would temp ban people for this
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i feel like this is a development issue thats is why it was posted here so if you are not a moderator and cant help me move it to general. keep it to your self. im just trying to input some info for all the evo owners that are in question by this. " if im worng by putting this here this can always be deleted and posted somewhere else.
Yeah but if you actually read other sections on this site your responses have already been given to other people by HTC. These are not new, we have heard them before. This really should have been rolled in to the other pre existing threads. Why would you not post it in the general section and ask if it should be placed in development? I think I know the answer to my own question....
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Darn, I was hoping it was something new from them.
Wow! People really need to chill out. Why is everyone so easily bent out of shape recently here and at ppcgeeks?
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Wow! People really need to chill out. Why is everyone so easily bent out of shape recently here and at ppcgeeks?
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Do you really want to know?
Well this is a development forum. There is a slightly higher standard here and if you can't follow some basic rules then you have no business posting here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695844
Those are pretty clear to me. Pretty easy to follow for anyone with a brain stem. No one expects perfection or you to write source code the fastest but at least read the ****ing directions and follow the basic rules of our home.
This had no business getting posted in development, it has no business in general when there is a massive 600 something or whatever posts on this exact same crap. Not to mention multiple other scattered threads.
Best part is there is already a hacked solution to this with working camera / everything else working, that at least for now is more than enough. So anyone that really gives a **** already has the fix and this isn't even an issue.
Seriously!!! You ****ing losers need to calm down. You act like its ****ing blasphemy that this poor guy posted in the wrong place. What? Did you waste 10 seconds of your worthless lives reading his post and find something you already knew. Congrats!! If you dont have the power to move it then **** off. So much of this lately.
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Seriously!!! You ****ing losers need to calm down. You act like its ****ing blasphemy that this poor guy posted in the wrong place. What? Did you waste 10 seconds of your worthless lives reading his post and find something you already knew. Congrats!! If you dont have the power to move it then **** off. So much of this lately.
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I spent 20 seconds Not wasted mind you I knew what was going to ensue after I read the OP's post.
Each and everyone one of you have done this when you are new to a board. You only learn from experience. We were all NOOBS at one point. We didn't graduate to Geekdom overnight.
When I first came on here I was treated like a red-headed step child for not understanding how to ROOT. I read and read and eventually learned how on my own mostly due to the RUDE responses from some of the people who thought they were entitled to treat newcomers like 3rd rate citizens.
I have given my share of smart assed remarks and have called people out on some things. But when someone new posts a relink or asks a question that they could have searched for I just help because its no BIG deal.
Yes you can say they are lazy or perhaps you might have to consider they are new and aren't well versed in searching. Who really knows. If they are repeat offenders then call them out otherwise its just a simple post that anyone can choose to ignore and not contribute.
It's all good..
I don't think tech knowledge is the issue here and in other threads. I think the issue is forum etiquette. And on a tech/informative forum, the standard should be a little higher than that of a lounge type forum. People should have informative titles (which this one does). Posts should go in the relevant thread (possibly an issue on this one). Searches should be made before making any new thread. And content should be relevant, accurate, and informative (I'm guilty of that first with regards to this post). It can be a delicate balance between over regulation and under regulation. The forums with the highest signal to noise ratio tend to be over regulated but there is such a thing as going too far and pissing off your membership.
There is one forum that I am a member of and have been so for about five years now and I have not made one single post. I am a very outspoken person and I still have not posted there. Why? Because I haven't had anything extremely relevant that will bring knowledge to any of the threads I've seen there and if your post doesn't "bring the tech", you're banned. That's possibly taking it too far but I can say that it is one of the most well behaved, most informative forums I have ever seen. If I just want to hang out and shoot the breeze, I can do so on other forums. So, I just linger and watch, as newbs should do, until I have something to add.
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There is one forum that I am a member of and have been so for about five years now and I have not made one single post. I am a very outspoken person and I still have not posted there. Why? Because I haven't had anything extremely relevant that will bring knowledge to any of the threads I've seen there and if your post doesn't "bring the tech", you're banned. That's possibly taking it too far but I can say that it is one of the most well behaved, most informative forums I have ever seen. If I just want to hang out and shoot the breeze, I can do so on other forums. So, I just linger and watch, as newbs should do, until I have something to add.
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Hahaha... I bet you're talking about elitistjerks.com
Please. Just get over yourselves. It's a good thing that new people are coming to the forums. That means the Android community is growing and moving into more mainstream. Educate and direct people... don't spank them. Otherwise, you'll send them right back to their friendly iPhone forums.
Sounds to me like some 35 year old men need to get out of their moms basement and meet people face to face and learn how to treat others.
Holier than thou attitudes will run people away and along with that the innovation that comes with new ideas. I've been in many environments where a closed loop could not resolve an important issue because they were addressing the issue as they always have. It took someone new looking at the problem, with different experiences, in order to resolve the issue in the best possible way, if you don't like it, or your pride gets hurt, then you probably don't need to be part of the team.
I have also known people who could give Einstein a run for his money, but because they lacked the people skills, they couldn't get in with any major position enough where people would listen, they usually got sent to the corner of R&D and played with obscure possibilities.
As you can tell, I hate arrogance, and because I don't post much in this forum, doesn't mean I can't kick your ass in every other aspect of technology, worldly issues, and life in general.... So put down the mountain dew, and get up out of the basement, and maybe just maybe, you'll find that your high horse isn't high at all.
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I spent 20 seconds Not wasted mind you I knew what was going to ensue after I read the OP's post.
Each and everyone one of you have done this when you are new to a board. You only learn from experience. We were all NOOBS at one point. We didn't graduate to Geekdom overnight.
When I first came on here I was treated like a red-headed step child for not understanding how to ROOT. I read and read and eventually learned how on my own mostly due to the RUDE responses from some of the people who thought they were entitled to treat newcomers like 3rd rate citizens.
I have given my share of smart assed remarks and have called people out on some things. But when someone new posts a relink or asks a question that they could have searched for I just help because its no BIG deal.
Yes you can say they are lazy or perhaps you might have to consider they are new and aren't well versed in searching. Who really knows. If they are repeat offenders then call them out otherwise its just a simple post that anyone can choose to ignore and not contribute.
It's all good..
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100% with you, if i can help i will, if i need to call someone out, i will do it too, but not arguing, i just click the "report post button" and that's it. I think there are to many people here that want to be forum moderators and act like one, it's happening a lot lately!
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100% with you, if i can help i will, if i need to call someone out, i will do it too, but not arguing, i just click the "report post button" and that's it. I think there are to many people here that want to be forum moderators and act like one, it's happening a lot lately!
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Some of the pictures of the old school phones brings back memories. Too funny!!
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Some of the pictures of the old school phones brings back memories. Too funny!!
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lol, I know, the Teletack 250 was the first cellphone i could afford back in Venezuela 10 years ago or so, the next one whas my first phone here in the states with Voice Stream.
Lol wow... This forum is full of it... Higher standard? On the Internet? Lol....hilarious...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=720242
Anybody and everybody who dislikes fm1776, come and fill in the blank~ Since he has put us in his ignore list, he won't be able see how we poke fun of him =D
fm1776 is a _______.
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Ok, on the serious note... Now that I've gotten the moderators' attention and getting myself into the potential of getting banned, this'll be my attempt before I die, or the topic gets closed.
So yeah... Dear moderator(s),
These couple of days this certain forummer, fm1776, has been causing a stir in the X10 community, by trying to defame X10 and promote iPhone in a zealous manner.
During this process, he has gotten quite a number of X10 users' attentions. If you do search through his posts, you will realize his illogical pratterings, and the funny thing is, he was the one starting insults on every single forummers who voiced out with name-calling, yet accuse us of doing so to him.
He even had the cheek to declare that he's put us in his ignore list and continued his endless, repititive praisings of the iphone4.
My question is, are we allowed to go to other sections and bash the respective models on how bad they are compared to the ones we like?
Though this is a public forum, but I believe stirring unrest between forummers isn't what we should encourage.
He can bash the X10 for all he like in the iPhone section, but not in a section that is about X10, for X10 owners. Doing so is just showing that he is looking for trouble.
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And to prove my point, hope those who are more or less affected please voice out and relate to the moderators about your views on fm1776.
And don't forget to fill in the blank too~ =D
Errr.... anyone...??? Helllloooooooooo~!?!? *echoes*
Sorry, but this is a complete waste of both time and space. You are giving him exactly the attention that he craves. My suggestion: delete this thread as fast as you created it. It doesn't bring anything worthwhile to the table.
Insults aside you make a good point.
There's a thin line between criticizing and bashing and it's pretty clear which side fm1776 has chosen. Not to say that he isn't allowed to voice his opinions but it's now gone from voicing his opinions to name-calling and ignoring opponents which to my knowledge are pretty clear indications of trolling. I'm not demanding his ejection from the board or anything, I have better things to worry about but LoneLEE makes a good point.
Well, menaningless, I do agree. But since nobody is doing anything about it and letting him run amok, at least I'm trying to see if it works. After all, would you prefer a sense of peace (ok there will be others after him, but I think alot would agree that fm1776 is the epitome of annoyance) or stoop to his level and pretend to ignore him?
Ignoring him just gives him the freedom to cause more unrest.
I don't think his amount of attention he's seeking is good enough, cos so far he hasn't been able to catch any moderators' attention. Lol.
And to think he, as a 'senior member', should know how to behave.
Even if I get bashed by his potential fans or banned by the mderators, at least I go down trying~ XD
If you ban this person, he will just make an new account and come back. Waste of time. It's better to ignore the person and let the mod do the work.
Yup. I know he'll come back. Just wanna raise awareness to the moderators that's all.
Maybe the kid respect the moderators more than us?
I belong to various forums on a wide range of subject matter and I am surprised how moderate the moderators on here have been with the person in question. As far as I can see he ruined a perfectly reasonable thread regarding picture quality, which I would have been interested in, and turned it to his own agenda of X10 bashing. We are all entitled to our opinion by you don't have to shove yours, repeatedly, down our throats. Gave up reading it because it got sooooo school yard silly.
In the meantime, ignoring him is probably the best way to go. He needs to get a life, not ruin ours.
Now who's trolling!..
Seriously though.. I thought most of his posts started with a sensible question/ thought/ challenge, which then devolved into petty squabbling.. As far as I know he is an x10 owner himself..
If you don't agree with anothers opinion then fine say so and state your own, but don't lower yourselves to personal insults... regardless of what anyone else does.. Presuming that you're all adults, you make your own decisions and you can't blame anyone else for what you type/ say/ do/ etc..
Can we please get back to healthy debate?
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Now who's trolling!..
Seriously though.. I thought most of his posts started with a sensible question/ thought/ challenge, which then devolved into petty squabbling.. As far as I know he is an x10 owner himself..
If you don't agree with anothers opinion then fine say so and state your own, but don't lower yourselves to personal insults... regardless of what anyone else does.. Presuming that you're all adults, you make your own decisions and you can't blame anyone else for what you type/ say/ do/ etc..
Can we please get back to healthy debate?
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as an independant person who has just looked through these threads. you dont need to defend him.
he comes in here saying 'im not here for debate, but just to make a statement' then he proceeds to debate with everyone (well one time) before putting them on ignore.
as someone else said, 'its like covering your eyes/ears and screaming 'lalala i cant hear youuuu''
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james_2k said:
as an independant person who has just looked through these threads. you dont need to defend him.
he comes in here saying 'im not here for debate, but just to make a statement' then he proceeds to debate with everyone (well one time) before putting them on ignore.
as someone else said, 'its like covering your eyes/ears and screaming 'lalala i cant hear youuuu''
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I place people on ignore when they go beyond the subject in attempt to change the topic. I also put people on ignore when they wag personal insults against me. Why respond to childish behavior? Several of the insults have come from one user who is using several profiles in an attempt to completely disrupt any point he does not agree with. He was banned twice for his rhetoric and feels like he has some how been wronged by me because I am the person that reported him. You will see how the same user profiles in question having come to attack the same people over and over in the different threads on every occasion they have disagreed. Also, there are things like personal information they have shared which is far too similar to be coincidence. You can look at a few of the dates these profiles were created, the beginning of June, which is right when the first profile got banned. That person is the one who started this thread.
Instead of offering his own point of view he attacks other points of view he find fault with. Everyone should be entitled to their opinion, but it should stay on topic. And, no one should have to call someone names because they don't like what they say.
I should not have to respond to people telling me that I want video chat so I can "make people watch whilst I jerk off". If placing that person on ignore makes me a "coward or a troll". Than I am both. It is completely unfair that you suggest that I did something wrong because I am unwilling to lower myself to a person who has spent 90% of his time on XDA insulting real contributors because they don't offer an opinion that matches his own. Which is exactly why he got banned from the X10 forum.
I want SE to get better. And, I know from several years of owning SE flagship devices that the only way to get SE to be more responsive to us customers is to let them know that you are willing to switch manufactures if they don't change.
I am not putting anyone down. I am not interest in putting everything SE down. I would just like us to be a bit more objective in our comparisons and to put a lot more pressure on SE to take us customers more seriously. Not simply take our cash and be done with us.
All of you please go through the rules here.
This thread is un-necessary, and does NOT belong to a forum based on X10 device.
Please stop this and maintain calm, till the MODs can look into the matter.
Hope you all stay calm and co-operate in peacekeeping on XDA.
Thanks.
Obviously it's unnecessary, and this topic will not be here if somebody bothered to put a stop to his crusade.
How else can I get your attention besides resorting to this? -_-
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Obviously it's unnecessary, and this topic will not be here if somebody bothered to put a stop to his crusade.
How else can I get your attention besides resorting to this? -_-
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There is a report button on the top right corner of every post.
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There is a report button on the top right corner of every post.
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... OH... I was trying to look for a button labeled 'Report User', just like other forums -____-
But ah well, what's done is done, and I've successfully brought to your attention anyway.
And since this topic has lived up to its purpose, please close it up already.
Flaming will not be tolerated Period. Thread closesd
Just wanted to mention that all the users who attacked the devs have changed their tune since oem support is crap.
I've been holding my feeling against all the ignorant users who attacked the devs.
Thanks, that is all.
I'm not sure exactly what you were trying to say, but I got the gist of it.
And I agree.
That is all.
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All those who attacked the devs and coined them faildev.team are all of a sudden changing their tune now that they are speaking out about their projects, and OEM support has been so crappy.
Sad that people act like this.
I dont undestand why anyone would attack the developers. They aren't obligated to do anything, what they do is out of their own will and desire to better the device. If people have a problem with the phone then blame the manufacturer, not the people picking up after their mess.
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I dont undestand why anyone would attack the developers. They aren't obligated to do anything, what they do is out of their own will and desire to better the device. If people have a problem with the phone then blame the manufacturer, not the people picking up after their mess.
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People demand instant gratification, and when they do not get it, they get ugly because they think for some reason, they are owed everything. Then there is the jealousy factor. Then there are those who think the devs withhold stuff from the community.
Then there are those who just attack me because they can.
The android community is young, and due to it being user friendly, it attracts young folks. Some just happen to be very immature. It *should* get better with time.
All this cool and dandy...
However developers also have some room to improve situation on the forums.
As adrynalyne pointed here there is a lot of childish behavior here. But developers, being leaders of community, not always behave as such.
I understand all sorts of emotions etc. I personally fall victim of them... Sorry if I hurted somebodys feelings.
But, I cannot stand some sort of elitism growing here.
Devs, please do not threat rest of the crowd as a bunch of morons! It will reflect positively on you as well.
If you have time to read all crappy posts on the forums and post aggravated responses, why do not spend this time typing meaningful response, holding grain of knowledge? If not, just stay calm and do not feed flame.
I do not want to repeat myself again and again. Just want to see some professionalism and respect in forums. It's not going to help moving to IRC, twitter or whatever. Root cause must be resolved.
Personally I was really impressed, more by anything else, of adrynalyne responding to that guy posted leak on other forums. Seriously! It was so different from how I percept him at forum. Like completely different person.
Respect!
While moving to irc may be unfortunate for some...it provides real time interaction for development. That simply is not possible on a forum. I work with a lot of people, and can fix problems 90% faster in real time.
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FDro said:
I dont undestand why anyone would attack the developers. They aren't obligated to do anything, what they do is out of their own will and desire to better the device. If people have a problem with the phone then blame the manufacturer, not the people picking up after their mess.
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I totally agree, the devs have my support in anything that they do, in whatever time frame they can make happen. Still better then the OEM time frame for an "update".
i hope the poster(s) who jumped all over the devs awhile back (i forget who) arent using anything that they have done recently and will avoid froyo/gb unless it comes from verizon/samsung
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i hope the poster(s) who jumped all over the devs awhile back (i forget who) arent using anything that they have done recently and will avoid froyo/gb unless it comes from verizon/samsung
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adrynalyne said:
While moving to irc may be unfortunate for some...it provides real time interaction for development. That simply is not possible on a forum. I work with a lot of people, and can fix problems 90% faster in real time.
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And that's OK. Unfortunately it doesn't leave any footprints anywhere else.
That's why we same questions everyday... Technical or whatever. The commonality between them is that they do not have posted answers here.
I'm talking for myself only. Please do not take it personally in any way and keep in mind that my English is not my native language, so something might sound harsh.
Like I got an understanding that RIL is the problem, by I was unable to find any technical explanation why, what was done to overcome etc. So, I asked here... I even do not want to think about what resulted. And all I wanted to have some technical answer, and may be share some ideas, because I'm in the IT field as well...
Now, looks whats going on around. Punkkaos got it working at least partially. I understand that other people contributed, and work probably started not 10 minutes ago. But nonetheless RIL is in progress or already done.
How I suppose to feel about this? I'm mixed.
Fist of all I'm THANKFUL for you guys who put all time and efforts in this! I'm not going to use it immediately, but I like that secure feeling that phone will not become a paperweight in 6 months down the road. I definitely will enjoy results of this work in the close future.
But, I need to admit that I have another side, as well. It's not necessarily dark, just kind of human nature, I guess. It kind of disappointment...
I ask myself - well, if it is done and done pretty quickly, why it didn't happened before? Months ago...
Like, just an assumption, please do not take it personally.
I think what if devs took a quick look and it didn't worked immediately and samsung promised update soon. People think - OK, we will wait for update, not worth to spend time on it. But time goes and goes and there is no update or leak... And tension is going up and up. And all this is OK and well understood. But doesn't solve the problem.
Yesterday, I've created twitter account (yes, call me a dinosaur) and specifically asked punkkaos how he addressed the problem. And guess what, he answered as expected that RIL is basically adapted and he does call result translation between old and new one. This is exactly how I would personally approach this problem myself.
My point here is that aside of actual work to be done, it is not rocket science. It is well known approach in programming.
And now you can throw all rocks you have into me, saying that if I so smart ass why I do not do it myself. That, right.
But, I know my limits and I'm not going to wipe out one of my comps, partition it to install Linux, to install tool chain, sources etc, to reinstall Windows and all crap me and my family needs in everyday life, just to try adapt RIL knowing that I will fail, because of my zero knowledge of subject. Or, even worse without knowing that it was already attempted and failed. And it was attempted by someone who is really ample to do it. Do you see holding factors?
That's why I asked questions. And being this question answered properly, who knows, may be another brave soul would had managed to accomplish what punkkaos did, but one month earlier, simpler or better. I feel like bad temper and communication let community down, at least temporarily.
And I think we are all at fault here. No need to point fingers.
No one is at 'fault' here. Your sense of entitlement is astounding; you are not owed anything. This OP was directed at people like you.
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No one is at 'fault' here. Your sense of entitlement is astounding; you are not owed anything. This OP was directed at people like you.
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Did I ever said that I'm owed? My grief is about this particular community in general. And because we all members, we all equally responsible for a atmosphere here. Or you think that bashing somebody here helps a lot?
And you know what? OP is right at the moment, I'll stay away from any custom roms or mods or whatever. At least for now. Because to be "cool" is not only thing in my life anymore. I outgrown it long time ago.
My crave for update is stemming not from desire to have highest score in quadrant, but from wish to have stable, usable and secure platform, from which IMHO any current phone is far away.
Out of the box SF is fairly usable, thought not ideal. Having Froyo and GB, means that I can get all bug fixes, improvements and new features such as native code extensions for applications and games, enterprise stuff etc.
Using rooted phone might be OK for me, but definitely not for my wife or children. So, manufacturer support is still important. Unfortunately my believe in Samsung faded out very quickly. And that essentially raised importance of independent developers proportionally. I do not see anything wrong with it.
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No one is at 'fault' here. Your sense of entitlement is astounding; you are not owed anything. This OP was directed at people like you.
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this guy does not seem to be in the entitlement crowd. He even states that english is a second language and to cut him some slack. I think what he was trying to say is that he was disappointed that samsung kept getting everybodies hopes up, which may have pushed devs off of working on getting things rolling for this device (why wouldn't they wait when they are being told froyo is on the way? From what I understand it would be easier to rip through that and make changes than to pull it off a different phone and sort of start from scratch). This doesn't sound too "tinfoil hat" to me, and certaintly doesn;t come off as entitled. More like he was pointing out one possible contributing factor as to why there has been a lot of waiting around (not complaining here guys, statement of fact. Did/do appreciate all the nonfroyo/gb roms and fixes that have been pushed out for us) for word of froyo. Now that Kaos/JT/Birdman have gotten some Froyo alpha's posted up, I am getting the feeling that the floodgates are about to open.
2 cents
I am not a developer.
My phone was decent out of the box.
Thanks to all the developers hard work, that i don't yet have the ability to do, my phone has gone from decent to fantastic.
The best part is that they aren't done yet
The future is exciting and if i ever think i am entitled to anything from someone elses work then, please, someone on here ***** slap me.
To all developers on here....you have my respect and gratitude. You have improved my life and saved my ass more than once. (Or twice)
Please keep doing your thing. And when i learn how to help i will.
Sent from my fascinate through xda app.
Well, the goal isn't to instill hostility, but to bring awareness to be thankful.
I can see what CNemo means because he doesn't understand what's going on. I can assure you that there is no intended elitism going on. Most of the roms tested in irc are shared here as soon as they are determined to be stable enough for testing.
It may seem like there is no transparency, but actually if you care, there is... The source codes are public. You can see what the devs are doing on github.
Yeah I've tried the whole, "Im just gonna throw it out there on the forums" thing. It does not work well, and you end up ticking people off when things stop working. Always best for the IRC crowd to muddle through the stuff first.
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Yeah I've tried the whole, "Im just gonna throw it out there on the forums" thing. It does not work well, and you end up ticking people off when things stop working. Always best for the IRC crowd to muddle through the stuff first.
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I agree and disagree. I disagree because it's nice to have this stuff in the forums where more people can try it. On the other hand, no matter how many warnings you give, there are going to be those who AREN'T comfortable with ADB, etc and go ahead and do it anyway... then we as a community lose valuable time while you fix everyone's fubar. It's frustrating to me, I can only imagine being on the other side. As far as Devs go, I don't envy them... It's the utimate "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.
Aside from donations and thanks, the other way to support the Dev community is to PAY for apps. I have quite a few paid apps on my phone. The only caveat to that is when I'm looking at an app and I'm unsure if I want/need it. From time to time I'll grab it from ********* and give it a 5min test spin. If it works, I uninstall and grab it from the Market. If it doesn't, I just uninstall. I know (for the most part) that we're talking about two separate types of devs, but the point is the same... if you're using someone's work... support them!
In response to the post above, I think I get what he was saying... I've done some programming (old school, mostly... BASIC, MS Acess) and while that doesn't really apply to Android at ALL, there may be some of us that have ideas that could help. In the end, a variable is a variable is a variable. I've thrown questions and ideas out only to be ignored. I don't take it personally, but even a "no, dip****... it doesn't work like that" would be appreaciated
No seriously, the guys in IRC will flash anything thrown at them... Some of them will end up with serious issues that were found to be seriously flawed.
Here's an example. VooDoo 5. When it first started rolling around in IRC from jt, it was considered unstable. It did not have the tools required for the average user to repair their phone. Adrynalyne preemptively produced the DI01 all in one ROM to repair everything from the radio, the kernel, the MBR, the recovery even... Did Adrynalyne have to do that? No, he did it because he knew that kinds of issues that would arrive when VooDoo 5 was introduced. Then VooDoo 5 was released.
Compared to VooDoo 4, the amount of incidents are exponentially less because of Adrynalyne putting a fix out there.
Also with phone repairs, it's much easier to help someone fix something in real time than it is to wait on them to try something, post, wait for response, in that sequence than it is to discuss the repair live in a chatroom.
BTW, this is in no offense to anyone. This is to clarify why some of the people are perceived as elitists. It's not that the IRC crowd are elitists, it's that they're more up to date with the latest development because they're busy flashing and screwing up their phones first so that you don't have to. On the same token, if you want to learn/test latest development, hop on IRC and ask any of the guys in #Samsung-Fascinate for help. It's very friendly in there contrary to what you would think (as long as you're not wozzy/sherwood1).
I haven't forgot about you guys. Today we had a meeting with XDA owners via telephone. Were just getting everything ready before we make a huge announcement. I told you guys I'm NOT going to let you guys down. Just be a little patient.
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Nice to hear from you John. Looking forward to hearing the news.
Interesting to hear.. But I wish it wasn't so "hush hush", because otherwise it starts to feel less of an equal community.
i guess i missed the part1.
what is this all about ?
I guess that instead of making another threads/parts it would be good to pin this thread down.
I, honestly, am very happy and interested in seeing how this cooperation will progress in time (and of course I'm not the only one here).
It's very encouraging to see company such as Samsung to start a cooperation (at whatever level) it gives kind of "legitimacy" to what people do here (although legitimacy might be too strong word, but still).
Either way I'm thrilled to see what the feature brings.
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Pawel
Hi there, John!
I personally am happy to see this sort of reach from a big company toward the ”little people” who often do more that a giant.
I also am wary regarding any possible positive outcome, considering you still have to overcome a strict and rigid hierarchy, while independent devs here are free to move as they please.
But it's nonetheless a great thing if Samsung really wants to be ”more open”.
Only one question: why, of all Sammy subsidiaries, has Seoul chosen Dallas (or any other US city for that matter), given that the most powerful and fruitful development effort was and still is directed towards Europe (SGS's biggest market to date)?
Cheers and all the best,
V.
Does the XDA-site administration actually produce anything on its own? Most (all?) of the people doing the actual hacking are members of the forum rather than working for it. It'll be interesting to see what they come up with... Coding/Hacking challenges? Can't really see much else that would actually need a collaboration with XDA instead of with the coders/hackers directly.
we're doing something but we won't tell you what!
but it's exciting i promise you!! we've discussed it with VIPs (which you are not part of, noob xda forum user!) and you may or may not see something about it later and it may or may not be exciting at all in the end (such as: oh look we opened a sgs 2 section !11)
oh god how much i dislike marketing lol
please, if you're going to do something for the community, just say it straight or don't say it at all
very good step by samsung
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we're doing something but we won't tell you what!
but it's exciting i promise you!!
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Last time someone told similar things I had to pay more tax, the kindergarten was more expensive and the atomic power plant contracts were extended instead of using cheap and tiny water power from Norway.
just say it straight or don't say it at all
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Straight talk - that's it.
If it is confidential keep it confidential until a result is ready to be announced officially.
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we're doing something but we won't tell you what!
but it's exciting i promise you!! we've discussed it with VIPs (which you are not part of, noob xda forum user!) and you may or may not see something about it later and it may or may not be exciting at all in the end (such as: oh look we opened a sgs 2 section !11)
please, if you're going to do something for the community, just say it straight or don't say it at all
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Excellent points!
+1.
hopefully good news to come!
i'll keep this topic open as long as XDA members behave themselves in a polite manner
lets try to be constructive, and make the best of this endeavor with Samsung.
It's not an every day chance that you see Big corporations willing to listen.
AllGamer said:
i'll keep this topic open as long as XDA members behave themselves in a polite manner
lets try to be constructive, and make the best of this endeavor with Samsung.
It's not an every day chance that you see Big corporations willing to listen.
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There are only two now open, because of all the bashing - I'm cautiously hopeful that this is going to be a great thing, Samsung actually listening.....
I'm sure the bashing and mob mentality being displayed here will endear the manufacturer to this community and force it to listen to us. People use some common sense and stop advertising just how uneducated and uncultured you are. Here we potentially have a manufacturer reaching out and testing the water, hoping to gather information from it's user community to better it's device and service to us but you idiots seem hell bent on driving them off. MORONS!
Thank you so much Samsung for this recognition of our community, it means a lot and we all are thankful. Can't wait to see what comes of this.
Please keep us informed
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I'd like to think 2.3, with input and improvements from the 'XDA elite' (I'll name no names ).
But I won't be upset if this is not the case, nothing bad can come of this joint venture...
(and I know I shouldn't, but I had to laugh )
If ever something does come out of this, I think xda should have a "developers only" sub-section where devs can collaborate with manufacturers. Regular users can still read, but only devs can post. We shall leave it to the owners to decide who is a "dev" and who isn't. That should help keep the riff-raff out. I'm tired of seeing threads in the dev section filled with the same stupid questions over and over again.
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It's really so disappointing to see the reception given to SamsungJohn here in XDA. I know many of you are angry about the Froyo delays, but *****ing out the social media liasson won't accomplish anything.
This is the first time ever, AFAIK, that a handset manufacturer has reached out directly to the XDA community. Maybe it's all smoke and mirrors, who knows, but we won't see anything if we just reject their attempts out of hand.
And I think people need to stop with the notion that Samsung is evil or just wants to hurt users. They're a huge company; it may not have even been on the radar of the decisionmakers that we were dissatisfied.
We're in a fairly recent and novel paradigm where users expect timely software updates--a year and a half ago nobody expected that. You bought a phone and maybe there might be a firmware update somewhere down the road. And out of the millions of people who bought SGS phones, we're just a very small minority. If we want cooperation from Samsung we need to impress upon them the advantages of collaborating with devs, because honestly they're going to make billions either way. If we demonstrate that cooperation will involve crass tantrums, they'll just sell their phones to the millions of people who don't give a crap about independent development. Do we really want that kind of belligerent attitude a la Motorola? I don't know about you, but I'd rather we try to move Samsung towards us rather than away from us.
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Samsung is trying to help us and we are biting our noses off just to spite our face. I think they are doing a great thing by coming on here.
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Agreed...well said...both of you.
I agree that was pretty messed up. It's bad enough all the devs have been scrared away. Ex-da isn't what it used to.
I totally agree. The guy is not a decision maker at Samsung - he came here to try to get feedback about how the company can improve and people just flamed the guy relentlessly. Further proof that there are too many children and buffoons here. It's no wonder that devs loathe coming here. FYI to the guys that tore into SamsungJohn - Krylon had a good conversation with Sammy and they are looking to get in contact with Sombionix as well.
What's not on their radar with a 90% surety is timely software updates. Hardware companies are going to drag their feet as much as possible to provide software upgrades for old hardware, if they do it at all.
I don't meam any disrespect to anyone but I gotta disagree.
Samsung is a huge company but they have also been in the mobile business for quite a while and they have also been known to release products that don't quite work the way they are supposed to, just like the Vibrant and until now there was no post purchase support or at least no usable support or updates... Look at the history of the Beholds and almost any other phone they released.
Releasing a phone like the Vibrant in 2010 that lags out of the box and where the gps issues make the navigation function unusable is just not right. Stock this phone is a joke and after a few days of use it is really frustrating. They are supposed to do a lot more then just release a device after device and look at the sale numbers.
These are very expensive devices and for that kind of money they are supposed to work!
Agree or disagree with me but facts are facts. Not everyone who owns such a device will root or flash their device with a custom rom in order to make it usable. I have played with many other android phones and they all work smoother and stock a lot better than any of the galaxy s series so far...
To list some...
Htc incredible, nexus one, mytouch 4g, tmobile g2, droid x, even htc aria which is not even in the same class as above mentioned models.
If the developers on the xda forums can make this phone perform ten times better than stock, explain to me why Samsung's developers cannot do the same...
I speak for myself, but I am fed up with samsung and their quality control and I can say this was the last Samsung phone I purchased until they do something revolutionary and change my mind...
Isn't someone testing these devices for a week or two before they release them in order to make sure everything works as it should?! If they are then maybe samsung should hire someone from this forum instead...
Also why don't the phone manufacturers just make a survey on the forums for feedback from users as to what the phone should include as far as software or hardware... 2010 top tier android device without a flash for the camera is just wrong and the night mode cannot replace the flash. I do not use the camera as much but just for the sake of it they should have led flash, some people use it and want it, how expensive can it be to do that...
The Super AMOLED display is the best in my opinion for now, but it is not enough to justify the many other mistakes or flaws... The displays on other phone aren't crap either!
Sorry for the long post.
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I'm totally sympathetic to the people who are fed up and say #neveragain. But the solution to that is to complain through other channels and then never buy Samsung again.
This rep came here reaching his hand out to the dev community, and insulting him or whining does a serious disservice to everyone else here. I think he came here to try to create a mutually beneficial relationship, not take complaint tickets. Many of us are skeptical, but we think it's worth seeing if anything can come of this (and if you aren't, the actual devs are).
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I don't meam any disrespect to anyone but I gotta disagree.
Samsung is a huge company but they have also been in the mobile business for quite a while and they have also been known to release products that don't quite work the way they are supposed to, just like the Vibrant and until now there was no post purchase support or at least no usable support or updates... Look at the history of the Beholds and almost any other phone they released.
Releasing a phone like the Vibrant in 2010 that lags out of the box and where the gps issues make the navigation function unusable is just not right. Stock this phone is a joke and after a few days of use it is really frustrating. They are supposed to do a lot more then just release a device after device and look at the sale numbers.
These are very expensive devices and for that kind of money they are supposed to work!
Agree or disagree with me but facts are facts. Not everyone who owns such a device will root or flash their device with a custom rom in order to make it usable. I have played with many other android phones and they all work smoother and stock a lot better than any of the galaxy s series so far...
To list some...
Htc incredible, nexus one, mytouch 4g, tmobile g2, droid x, even htc aria which is not even in the same class as above mentioned models.
If the developers on the xda forums can make this phone perform ten times better than stock, explain to me why Samsung's developers cannot do the same...
I speak for myself, but I am fed up with samsung and their quality control and I can say this was the last Samsung phone I purchased until they do something revolutionary and change my mind...
Isn't someone testing these devices for a week or two before they release them in order to make sure everything works as it should?! If they are then maybe samsung should hire someone from this forum instead...
Also why don't the phone manufacturers just make a survey on the forums for feedback from users as to what the phone should include as far as software or hardware... 2010 top tier android device without a flash for the camera is just wrong and the night mode cannot replace the flash. I do not use the camera as much but just for the sake of it they should have led flash, some people use it and want it, how expensive can it be to do that...
The Super AMOLED display is the best in my opinion for now, but it is not enough to justify the many other mistakes or flaws... The displays on other phone aren't crap either!
Sorry for the long post.
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I was one of those that got beholded they flat out lied on that one. Here I am again with the vibrant guessing thats samsung mo to screw ya
This rep was hosed due to his own lack of knowledge, nothing else.
He started off by filling the cool-aid cups and passing them around expecting everyone to drink freely.
"Hi, I'm SamsungJohn and I have some REALLY BIG things for everyone here"
*I'll wisely not mention that I can't answer questions about hardware or software and in fact I can't really answer a single question anyone has*
It was Samsung corporate in damage control mode,NOTHING ELSE.
Funk dem. Do they think everyone is so stupid they cannot see thru this BS ?
I honestly do feel sorry for John getting thrown to the sharks by his employer, but I know for a damn fact it could have been handled with tact and finesse.
Oh yea, before the flaming closet dwellers start in....
i.e.
" Hi, I'm John, I work for Samsung, and they have given me the job position of liason with the public.
Now before I go any further, please understand that I am under corporate restraints and NDAs (non-disclosure agreements) so that I can only give so much info and so much data. I do not know yet if they will allow me to give access to unreleased software.
So, within those restraints I will do my best to provide what I can.
Yes, I know a great many of you are upset with Samsung and that is why I am here.
Please go easy on me as I do not own or control the company"
Now, would that really have been so very tough of an introduction ?
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This rep was hosed due to his own lack of knowledge, nothing else.
He started off by filling the cool-aid cups and passing them around expecting everyone to drink freely.
"Hi, I'm SamsungJohn and I have some REALLY BIG things for everyone here"
*I'll wisely not mention that I can't answer questions about hardware or software and in fact I can't really answer a single question anyone has*
It was Samsung corporate in damage control mode,NOTHING ELSE.
Funk dem. Do they think everyone is so stupid they cannot see thru this BS ?
I honestly do feel sorry for John getting thrown to the sharks by his employer, but I know for a damn fact it could have been handled with tact and finesse.
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It's one thing to remain skeptical towards the guy and his motives but its completely another to flat out accuse him of lying and subterfuge merely because he may have omitted the exact words you need to hear or he wasn't nice enough, etc. It seems fairly obvious to me that if ANY large company was to hold a Q&A session on specifics of perceived missteps, they would choose a much more public forum - not a niche community of developers. On the other hand, if they wanted to incorporate new features or contract out some good developers, they are in the right place.
I don't doubt they (samsung) aren't doing this out of the goodness of their collective hearts, but if this is how changes are effected, I'll take it.
Totally agree with you Kubernetes, people think they'll get something done by impressing their rage upon the messenger. So far all of his threads are closed due to people completely ignoring the instructions and asking for release dates and trolling samsung saying they're gonna tell all their friends to never buy samsung, it's really disgusting if you ask me. I dunno about you guys but I'm the only person I know who cares if samsung releases timely updates...everyone else I know is NOT a power user and could not care less about updates. I think if outsiders say, higher ups in Samsung, were to read those threads they'd see more hostility and uncooperativeness
than a community that's ready to work with them.
Main reason I dislike all the people flaming him is because as soon as I try to ask a legit question, the thread is already locked. Trolls are blaring out people who want to handle this like adults.
Please don't try to put words in my mouth unless you intend to become my wife. I'm a dominating top so consider the job well before volunteering.
At no point did I say that John was lying, yet you say very directly that I did.
Exactly whom is the lier ?
Well honestly the way he was treated was bad, but again that is the way Samsung has treated us from the beginning, but I do have to say something about this section (vibrant) As a whole we fight with each other too much. Just take a look at the 2.2.1 rom release in the development section. It just one big ***** fest, and it is stupid. We need to focus on fixing and making our phones better not our EGO's. If we as a community can't get our collective a$$ together we will just fade away and kill our developer support. There is too much drama. One group doesn't want to work with another so on so forth. If we pooled our collective resources then we could be great.
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This rep was hosed due to his own lack of knowledge, nothing else.
He started off by filling the cool-aid cups and passing them around expecting everyone to drink freely.
"Hi, I'm SamsungJohn and I have some REALLY BIG things for everyone here"
*I'll wisely not mention that I can't answer questions about hardware or software and in fact I can't really answer a single question anyone has*
It was Samsung corporate in damage control mode,NOTHING ELSE.
Funk dem. Do they think everyone is so stupid they cannot see thru this BS ?
I honestly do feel sorry for John getting thrown to the sharks by his employer, but I know for a damn fact it could have been handled with tact and finesse.
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It Is damage control, but that said, they are (cause they recognize not to do so is suicide) reaching out, but the teaser is just a tactic to buy more time.
I am in the corporate world and I am Senior Exec, So this is just normal proceedings from a business to engage - delay and then reveal what they really are going to offer. That tactic is done cause it lowers expectations so if it is not enough you do not end up with a mass rebellion on your hands. Samsung John is a Big Boy, he knows the rules and expects to hear both happy and hostile comments and takes them like a grain of salt. So there is nothing for us to be ashamed of, he asked for our opinion and comments and we gave them to him.... the good, the bad and the ugly
One other note SamsungJohn released the exact same email in every Galaxy forum, so do not be wooed into thinking he was talking directly to us. It was can statement and a canned response/followup.
This might be his big announcement
I have been a user here four about 2 months and have never posted because I know how to search and I don't want to deal with the egos and the flaming, but this was posted on another forum (has nothing to do with phones) that I use.
"I talked with someone in STA (the division of the company that focuses on mobile devices), no plans at least in the immediate future are int he works for OTA updates on the Galaxy S 3G lineup. Which has me pissed. (edit: by "immediate future" I mean we're looking at like March for the mandatory OTA update, which leads me to think this hardwire update is just a beta)
Even as an employee, I can guarantee this is going to be my last Samsung phone. I STILL don't have Froyo because of all the hoops I had to go through in addition to running errands today.
Why you're forced to use a completely different connection mode, when virtually every other phone on the market can update either OTA or with a standard USB mount point, then Kies refused to connect until I turned on USB debugging, turned off USB debugging, and restarted Kies.
Now? With 88% battery life, I need to let it charge to 100% just to even start downloading the update."
Idid not include a link since it is private forum and the guy has a job he would probably like to keep. This was posted last month when the Kies update came out.
With that said it would still be nice to work with samsung, what may come from it might not be the holy grail, but at least something may come from it.
I find alarming that a lot of people in these threads think of Samsung as some sort of benefactor. An overlord that we must strive to please or else face the consequences. That is the exact opposite of what it should be.
We don't need to please them with diplomacy as if we owe them something. They simply have to treat us like clients and thats the end of that.
I can't believe some of you feel that we must appease a paid employee and thank him for doing what he is being paid to do. What is he gonna do, quit his job because the whole XDA collective is not getting on its knees for him.
An advice to Samsung, and SamsungJohn: stop talking, and start acting. A good start would have been a post saying: "Hi, I'm a representative from Samsung. Here's a source code and some other tools you guys might find useful FOR IMPROVING OUR PRODUCT. THANK YOU!"
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This is the first time ever, AFAIK, that a handset manufacturer has reached out directly to the XDA community. Maybe it's all smoke and mirrors, who knows, but we won't see anything if we just reject their attempts out of hand.
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that. right. there.
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I find alarming that a lot of people in these threads think of Samsung as some sort of benefactor. An overlord that we must strive to please or else face the consequences. That is the exact opposite of what it should be.
We don't need to please them with diplomacy as if we owe them something. They simply have to treat us like clients and thats the end of that.
I can't believe some of you feel that we must appease a paid employee and thank him for doing what he is being paid to do. What is he gonna do, quit his job because the whole XDA collective is not getting on its knees for him.
An advice to Samsung, and SamsungJohn: stop talking, and start acting. A good start would have been a post saying: "Hi, I'm a representative from Samsung. Here's a source code and some other tools you guys might find useful FOR IMPROVING OUR PRODUCT. THANK YOU!"
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Jesus that's myopic. Samsung doesn't need anything from us, we're just a tiny minority of people who have bought their phones. They clearly think there's something to be gained from forming relationships with devs, which is why SamsungJohn is here and not Android Central or a more consumer oriented site.
You want source? Great, I'm sure that's what Krylon and Supercurio are telling them. Like adults. And I'm sure they're also explaining how timely source release can benefit Samsung as well, instead of demanding it or crying about how we're owed better support.
Because in the end, he doesn't have to be here and Samsung doesn't have to do jack about helping XDA because they'll still sell a ****-ton of phones regardless. If you can't understand that there are things we want from Samsung and it's not "appeasement" to try to get them, I have no words for you. It's not like we're holding all the cards and some horrible fate will befall Samsung if they decide this is too much of a headache.