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Maybe we should organize a boycott of the Galaxy Tab

I apologize for making another "I'm mad at Samsung for..." thread, but after trying for the past hours to get the JI5 update and failing, I'm a bit angrier than I usually am and want to hurt Samsung somewhere where they will feel it while not going to extremes like trying to organize a class action suit.
Ever since the Galaxy S line came out they really haven't done much to support it except release 3 buggy updates for three of the phones and completely ignore the one that's been out in the States for the longest (until the "made you look" event of today), yet they're so eager to show off that Galaxy Tab that they want everyone to be interested in and buy next month. I suggest simply spreading the word to everyone that no one should but that thing until they at least get their house in order and get the Galaxy S line up to the basic functionality they should have had out of the box. Spread the word that they apparently can't support the products they release and that nobody should touch those things until they can prove they are going to stand behind the products they want us to spend our hard earned money on.
Before some of you start flaming me, I do very well know this is a forum for people who mod their phones and have no intention of staying stock. I mod my phones too. Even with the fixes I've flashed I still have issues with GPS and the phone resetting. I appreciate everything the community has done to help make these phones better and I whole heartedly thank them for doing so, but at the same time there's a whole company with a division of people getting paid to do this that hasn't been able to supply us with one good fix after nearly 3 months time. It's time we should make every potential customer aware of that.

I'm boycotting the U.S. release of the Galaxy Tab, but only because I find the fact that all 4 U.S. carriers disabling the phone functions of the thing (the international version won't have this limitation) as a hugely retarded move.
I'm not interested in carrying around 2 huge slabs-o-touchscreen all the darn time. If I were I'd be an iDiot and worship Steve Jobs.

That's understandable, personally I could care less about being able to make calls on tablet. It's not like you would be able to take calls on both your cell phone and the tablet. And I sure wouldn't care for having another phone number.
I love my iPad btw!

masterotaku said:
I'm boycotting the U.S. release of the Galaxy Tab, but only because I find the fact that all 4 U.S. carriers disabling the phone functions of the thing (the international version won't have this limitation) as a hugely retarded move.
I'm not interested in carrying around 2 huge slabs-o-touchscreen all the darn time. If I were I'd be an iDiot and worship Steve Jobs.
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Why would you carry it around if you can't use it as a phone?
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To be honest I am not surprised they are disabling the calling feature. In fact I would be surprised if they didn't.
I mean I for one wouldn't want to stop using my vibrant to use that giant tablet.
Also no matter what it will have wifi so it can be more like a laptop on the go and playing games on it will be awesome from the looks of it.

Well if they are just disabling the feature then that means the hardware to make calls is still built in so someone could root it and make calls anyway. But I'm still not getting one cause it'll be just like my phone. Tablets are a median of a phone and a notebook but nowadays the Ipad is the best out.
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Can't say I'm feeling pouty and petulant about Samsung in general, but I crossed four Tabs off my Xmas list when they announced the phone functionality was disabled.
As for the frequent comments about the Tab being too large to use as a phone, I use my phone as a speakerphone most of the time, and Bluetooth headsets put the final nail in the coffin for that argument.

I really doubt the S Tab will sell much anyway.
Smaller screen than the iPad, lower resolution, considerably worse battery life, for almost the same price....
Plus, given our experience with Samsung, it will probably not be upgraded to Gingerbread, which according to Google is the first version of Android actually meant for tablets.
Who in their right mind will buy the Tab?

What made me mad is they have more accessories slated for that thing than the very phones they already have out.
Docks, keyboards and all kinds of goodies. Oh yeah they all plug into the bottom of the Tab not the top like our retarded phones.

hurrpancakes said:
Why would you carry it around if you can't use it as a phone?
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Exactly!
Since it's functionally crippled compared to it's European counterpart I don't plan on carrying one around.
It's an interesting device, and will probably have a modicum of success, but the deliberate lockdown of an existing feature is one that makes me uninterested in it.
Given that it's carrier unsubsidized pricing internationally is likely going to make it more expensive than the iPad, if I were to develop an interest in an Android tablet/mid that didn't support phone functions, I'd just SPEND LESS MONEY on a comparable 7" tablet that doesn't have phone functions. There are several...

Huge flaw with Samsung tablet, not sure if mentioned
At the moment pretty much every App available doesn't even support the tablets 1024x600 resolution so they will be to small for the screen or will stretch and look like crap.

demo23019 said:
Huge flaw with Samsung tablet, not sure if mentioned
At the moment pretty much every App available doesn't even support the tablets 1024x600 resolution so they will be to small for the screen or will stretch and look like crap.
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I can make everything in an app support that higher res, and I font even consider myself a dev... More of a file mover.. But there are tutorials and some apps are already compatible...
Remember when donut and froyo came out not all apps were compatible.. Some apps dont work on donut now...
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WTF does this have to do with the Vibrant? Oh, can all of you stop blaming everything on Samsung? It seems like only half the people on this forum has sense and understands that T-Mobile makes the final call on updates.

DKYang said:
WTF does this have to do with the Vibrant? Oh, can all of you stop blaming everything on Samsung? It seems like only half the people on this forum has sense and understands that T-Mobile makes the final call on updates.
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Dude, you are drawn to these threads like a fly is to sh!t!
T-Mobile has its problems, but what about the rest of the companies carrying the Galaxy S? Have any released Froyo, or successful compass fixes?
No? Must be a worldwide carrier conspiracy to make Samsung look bad, by delaying fixes and OS upgrades.....
No, Samsung's track records with product support just sucks. That's why some are pissed.

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Wait a second, let me get this straight. You are upset because an unofficial, probably beta quality firmware wasn't available properly through a piece of software that hasn't been released to the US market yet?

KerryG said:
Wait a second, let me get this straight. You are upset because an unofficial, probably beta quality firmware wasn't available properly through a piece of software that hasn't been released to the US market yet?
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Nice troll, since I don't believe you are actually as stupid as you're trying to get us to believe.
No, we're all pissed off about Samsung's crappy support. I bought a phone with a GPS built in. I can't use my GPS because it doesn't work.
A little fact which has been repeatedly explained to you. So either you choose to ignore it so you can troll more, or you have major issues with reading comprehension, take your pick.
And, as I said elsewhere, no one forced you to bring your fanboi self into this thread.

I'll hold out for MOTO or HTC
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That's great, let's organize a boycott of something that 99.9% of people have no plan to purchase in the first place. In other words, we're going to have to seek out people who want to buy the Tab and then dissuade them. Personally, I think I won't.

psshh, who is gonna buy that over sized phone anyway, too big for been a phone, too small for been a tablet

Interesting thread about Bell Vibrant issues

I guess following thread is a very good example of how civilized people deal with issues. Samsung is in question.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883820
May be we need to start campaign about Froyo/Gingerbread using same tactics?
That was promised and a lot of hardware were bought because of this. Time to hold promises!
It's a little bit to late (because some variants are already got/getting Froyo), but there is a chance consolidate across all variants.

CNemo7539 said:
May be we need to start campaign about Froyo/Gingerbread using same tactics?
That was promised and a lot of hardware were bought because of this. Time to hold promises!
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That thread is because of real failures on the device, rendering them unusable. Sorry, but you're a fool if you purchased a device because it might get an update, it's not Samsung's fault.
I'm getting a bit frustrated waiting for this update because there are things popping up that require Froyo, but some of these comments/threads on a number of forums are just silly.
By all means, make yourself heard, but the lack of Froyo doesn't render the device unusable.

Verizon will give it to us when they are satisfied with the build. A 1960's hippie movement will not get it here any faster.
I am fine with 2.1 myself.
good day.

J Shed said:
That thread is because of real failures on the device, rendering them unusable. Sorry, but you're a fool if you purchased a device because it might get an update, it's not Samsung's fault.
I'm getting a bit frustrated waiting for this update because there are things popping up that require Froyo, but some of these comments/threads on a number of forums are just silly.
By all means, make yourself heard, but the lack of Froyo doesn't render the device unusable.
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My phone USB failed few days ago. I have thread here, trying to get additional information if others have similar problems. That said VZ already send another one for free. I do not know yet if it is new or refarb.
What I think is that, promise is what it is. I didn't pushed them to promise anything. But, getting normal support for device is something I've assumed at the time of purchase phone + dock + other crap. Would I know that everything is so slow, I might got another phone. I think I'm not alone here.

CNemo7539 said:
My phone USB failed few days ago. I have thread here, trying to get additional information if others have similar problems. That said VZ already send another one for free. I do not know yet if it is new or refarb.
What I think is that, promise is what it is. I didn't pushed them to promise anything. But, getting normal support for device is something I've assumed at the time of purchase phone + dock + other crap. Would I know that everything is so slow, I might got another phone. I think I'm not alone here.
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They committed to releasing the update, they gave an estimated time frame for release, they didn't PROMISE anything. Froyo is coming, but the lack of it doesn't mean your phone doesn't work. Updates aren't normal support, they're updates. 2.2 is not required for the phone to function.
The funny thing is you're absolutely not alone (pretty sure I made that clear in my OP), it's just getting ridiculous some of the things people are demanding. It's not Samsung, nor Verizon's fault you purchased a device based on what it might be. That's your fault, period. I purchased this phone for what it was the day I got it, not for some dream land a few months down the road.

I feel about this a little bit differently, looking at the back of my phone dock. It has easy readable label saying that some functionality will be available when 2.2 update released. And it was promised SHORTLY. So shortly, that people found it OK to hold over 30 days grace period.
Overall I do not think it silly to expect something. I DO EXPECT that MS will patch Windows, Live etc. I DO EXPECT that HP, Dell and others update drivers. This practice exists for years now.
I do not know why it sounds funny when I expect that Samsung or VZ will fix GPS and other issues?
It is not that I'm screaming for update right now. But some clarity about situation will be greatly appreciated. Neither VZ nor Samsung didn't stepped down from their heights to inform us, mere mortals.

chopper the dog said:
A 1960's hippie movement will not get it here any faster.
good day.
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What if you ARE a 1960's hippie though?
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CNemo7539 said:
It is not that I'm screaming for update right now. But some clarity about situation will be greatly appreciated. Neither VZ nor Samsung didn't stepped down from their heights to inform us, mere mortals.
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This is fair, but can you name companies that do this? Unfortunately it's very rare.
They can't give you a set ETA (software is such that you can't give out fixed dates until it's done), nor can they really tell you what they're working on/why it's delayed (would you really understand if they did tell you?). The best they could tell you is "we're working on it," and unless you live in a cave (or subscribe to one of the ridiculous conspiracy theories), you already know that.
And again, YOU deciding to hang onto the dock is your fault, not Samsung's. At 29 days, you could've strolled into the VZW store, and returned it. And again, they will release Froyo for the Verizon Samsung Fascinate. If they do not, they will be in real legal trouble because suddenly, you'd have a case for a class action lawsuit because of your dock.

J Shed said:
This is fair, but can you name companies that do this? Unfortunately it's very rare.
They can't give you a set ETA (software is such that you can't give out fixed dates until it's done), nor can they really tell you what they're working on/why it's delayed (would you really understand if they did tell you?). The best they could tell you is "we're working on it," and unless you live in a cave (or subscribe to one of the ridiculous conspiracy theories), you already know that.
And again, YOU deciding to hang onto the dock is your fault, not Samsung's. At 29 days, you could've strolled into the VZW store, and returned it. And again, they will release Froyo for the Verizon Samsung Fascinate. If they do not, they will be in real legal trouble because suddenly, you'd have a case for a class action lawsuit because of your dock.
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Believe it or not, I'm in IT... And I tell you - there is always deadlines and dates are set in stone. Moreover, public beta will settle all worries. It is easy way to show to average public what company does and where it stays at the moment. That is how other companies handle same problems. MS with SP betas is good sample. Even secretive Apple does it!
I guess, we have a case for class action. I just wonder for how long we should wait before initiating it? As of now, we have a pretty good reason to believe that time for Froyo is gone, because Gingerbread is out and Samsung has it. Do you see my point?
As to return... Well, it not going to happen in the future. I'm going to stay away from Samsung products. Unfortunately I cannot leave VZ.

CNemo7539 said:
Believe it or not, I'm in IT... And I tell you - there is always deadlines and dates are set in stone.
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"IT" and software development are not the same thing.
Public beta works with basic software, and even some OSes, not with phones. You release a public beta that has a bug that can brick your phone, and you're screwed. It's MUCH more difficult to fix a bricked phone than it is to fix a desktop that won't boot properly.
You don't have a case, yet. If Samsung fails to deliver 2.2, then you will, not until then.

J Shed said:
"IT" and software development are not the same thing.
Public beta works with basic software, and even some OSes, not with phones. You release a public beta that has a bug that can brick your phone, and you're screwed. It's MUCH more difficult to fix a bricked phone than it is to fix a desktop that won't boot properly.
You don't have a case, yet. If Samsung fails to deliver 2.2, then you will, not until then.
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No need to explain what exactly I do. It is development.
Go to Apple site and figure out how they deploy public betas for iOS. Nobody complains about broken phones. I never heard about this.
Hell!!! Film the video for youtube if not anything else! Show prototypes in the stores! Even this will be better then noting! Release official statement. Just do not sit like cat in the sand!
They simply are not willing to do anything, because they got their money already.
And could you please define "fails to deliver"? As far as I'm concerned they pretty much failed. Froyo was released and pulled off several times on other SGS phones. And they have Froyo on tab, which essentially same hardware. What is this?
Though I might consider it as showing progress ;-) Problem is that at such pace phone will physically pass out sooner then we get update.

Believe it or not, I am actually trying to get them into admitting that Froyo will not be released.
I got one rep who replied to say it, however, she doesn't know wtf she is talking about. Depending on their next few replies if whether I crack the email open and send it to the major blog sites.
I am trying to get someone who actually knows something to admit that 2.2 is not coming. We shall see. Past that, you are right, there is not a damn thing we can do until its determined that its NOT coming out.

J Shed said:
2.2 is not required for the phone to function.
It's not Samsung, nor Verizon's fault you purchased a device based on what it might be.
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Tell that to the hundreds of thousands who bought a cradle with a sticker on it saying "2.2 required for this to function".
Is that their fault they received a product which doesn't work as advertised, just to open the box up to a "gotch'ya!" sticker?
Is that somehow not Samsung nor Verizon's fault, too?
Sometimes I wonder how often people on here ever take responsibility, seeing as they are so quick to make excuses and attack those wronged. You would all do well in politics or customer service; Neither party holds anyone accountable for their false promises.

The problem is, until they admit that its not being released, they have us all on a technicality, that coming soon has no defined time frame. Leaked internal documents are likely not admissible in a lawsuit.
Its ****ty, its unethical, but it is what it is.
I am just as angry as well.

According the news, Samsung is going to introduce Galaxy S ancestor in Barcelona in February. So, I guess first Galaxy S lifespan is even shorter than I've expected. Sure, it is because was VZ was late to the game. Churning out new models at such pace doesn't leave time to support old ones.

Galaxy s is like lexus to toyota. It's just a line of phones from samsung which are high end.
Adrynalyne is right when he says that there is nothing that we can do but make them admit that nothing is coming out...

CNemo7539 said:
No need to explain what exactly I do. It is development.
Go to Apple site and figure out how they deploy public betas for iOS. Nobody complains about broken phones. I never heard about this.
Hell!!! Film the video for youtube if not anything else! Show prototypes in the stores! Even this will be better then noting! Release official statement. Just do not sit like cat in the sand!
They simply are not willing to do anything, because they got their money already.
And could you please define "fails to deliver"? As far as I'm concerned they pretty much failed. Froyo was released and pulled off several times on other SGS phones. And they have Froyo on tab, which essentially same hardware. What is this?
Though I might consider it as showing progress ;-) Problem is that at such pace phone will physically pass out sooner then we get update.
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Funny you mention apple, and then in the same breath you talk about making phones obsolete.
Apple and Samsung are apples and oranges (lol). Apple has ONE phone (3 if you want to count the og, 3g, and 3gs, but those are mostly obsolete), Samsung has at least 4 or 5 in the US alone. Each on different networks, and with differing software setups (bloatware). How again are they going to ensure they don't start ****ing **** up if they push a public beta? Trust me, I'd LOVE if they did that, but it's an unrealistic expectation.
And "fails to deliver" means it doesn't come, at all, ever, period. When they admit to freezing development and NOT releasing anything past 2.1, then everyone who purchased a dock has a case for a class action lawsuit.
lowkee said:
Tell that to the hundreds of thousands who bought a cradle with a sticker on it saying "2.2 required for this to function".
Is that their fault they received a product which doesn't work as advertised, just to open the box up to a "gotch'ya!" sticker?
Is that somehow not Samsung nor Verizon's fault, too?
Sometimes I wonder how often people on here ever take responsibility, seeing as they are so quick to make excuses and attack those wronged. You would all do well in politics or customer service; Neither party holds anyone accountable for their false promises.
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Don't talk to me about accountability when you are so eager to blame someone else for your failure to return a product you weren't satisfied with. It's also your fault you decided to wait it out for Froyo.
You chose to wait, that's on you. So now it's a matter of you waiting for them to release 2.2+, or them to admit they won't release it.
I'm not defending anyone, I'm just tired of the stupid crap I'm seeing from people over this update. I didn't buy that dock because I think it's a piece of crap, regardless of the fact the 3.5mm jack doesn't work (which, BTW, sounds like it's the ONLY thing not working, it charges the phone, displays the dock program).

RacerXFD said:
Galaxy s is like lexus to toyota. It's just a line of phones from samsung which are high end.
Adrynalyne is right when he says that there is nothing that we can do but make them admit that nothing is coming out...
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I guess we are getting away from the intended topic. This might be my fault, if I not expressed clearly.
If adrynalyne is talking to somebody at Samsung, would be nice if he can share that person contact. I guess idea is to have one single point of force application.
Even if that person is brainless office droid, he will have to report up at some point, if number and intensity of complaints is over some threshold.
Could we here formulate some collective message and start pushing it from different emails?

I'd just like to use the 3.5mm audio out on my dock, have map rotation gesture working in maps and get chrome to phone back; new gmail client would be a nice upgrade... Hopefully it will happen someday...
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SONY should return our money back

SONY should return our money back
I dont want to get stuck with X10(no Froyo or next versions) for SGD 1088/.
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For the 1st time i m just pissed off with SONY

When did SE ever say they were updating beyond 2.1 when you bought your phone? They even told us that there was no multi-touch because of hardware constraints when we bought our phones, but they went out of their way to bring it to us anyways. We bought this device already behind the Android curve with 1.6, but now you expect it to have the newest version??? If you feel entitled to continuous updates, you must not have been around the past 20 years of the technology revolution. This is how it works. We have to pay for the research and development of new technology. If you don't want to buy something, just to have something better from the same manufacturer come out around the corner, then you either need to not buy anything or wait 10 years until the technology is not in its infant stage of development. The Xperia is nearing the end of its lifecycle, so this is to be expected. Did you complain to Microsoft when Windows 7 came out and you didn't get your pc upgraded for free?

agentJBM said:
The Xperia is nearing the end of its lifecycle, so this is to be expected.
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Please stop spreading such silly quotes. The X10 was first shown in November of 2009. It was released in 2010 around March. It is nowhere near the end of it's life cycle. Besides, that's a horrible excuse on Sony's part.

xperiax10.awesome said:
SONY should return our money back
I dont want to get stuck with X10(no Froyo or next versions) for SGD 1088/.
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For the 1st time i m just pissed off with SONY
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to start with, it is NOT Sony....it is Sony Ericsson. Completely different. Secondly, they never promised anything above 2.1. Thirdly, we are a very small part of the user base for the x10 handset. the vast majority of x10 users do not even know of xda developers let alone how to install the xrecovery menu or flash 2.2.1 beta onto their handset - let alone care. Sony Ericsson are all about selling handsets and appeasing the market.
we are **** out of luck.
For me, its time to leave SE behind and jump ship to a manufacturer that is actually interested in supporting the modding community, instead of one that actively tries to block it.

ok, im sorry, im getting sick of these "I effin hate sony" threads.
so i am finally going to put my .02 in.
first of all, is this the only thing you have ever bought in your life? how many purchases do you make in a week that you can step back and say, man this is awesome im so glad i bought this, this will be perfect for years to come.
exactly, none, have you ever bought a phone/pda that was perfect that would last you forever? and if so why did you buy the X10 if you were so perfectly happy?
i just dont understand how people can buy a $500 device, that in all honesty DOES impress, and DOES what its supposed to do pretty god damned well, and still freakin complain that 9 months later theres better technology out there.....SHEESH! welcome to life people! you can never have the "best" of something for more than a week. there will always be something "better" or "newer".
so i just bought new tires for my dodge ram, they cost hella lot more than my x10, so i guess i should go to my local tire store again in 9 months and whine about how my 9 month old tires dont look brand new anymore right?
come on man seriously, if you think sony lied to you or you hate this device so bad, freakin sell it buy an ifail 4 and leave us the fack alone. because im sure im not the only one here who's getting sick of the same lame "eff sony!!" bullishhh.
/vote kick op
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xperiax10.awesome said:
SONY should return our money back
I dont want to get stuck with X10(no Froyo or next versions) for SGD 1088/.
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For the 1st time i m just pissed off with SONY
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my god will this ever end! This is why I hardly come on here and post anymore. Every thread turns into some kind of SE bashing nonsense. I said it before...they said they would give us 2.x and they did...thats not good enough now people want 2.2/2.3. They shouldn't give us our money back because they have delivered what they said they would. They NEVER said we would get froyo or above. We will get some more updates for the X10 before it EOL. And if froyo or gingerbread are not part of it...im totally cool with that.

Agree
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Mr Patchy Patch said:
my god will this ever end! This is why I hardly come on here and post anymore. Every thread turns into some kind of SE bashing nonsense. I said it before...they said they would give us 2.x and they did...thats not good enough now people want 2.2/2.3. They shouldn't give us our money back because they have delivered what they said they would. They NEVER said we would get froyo or above. We will get some more updates for the X10 before it EOL. And if froyo or gingerbread are not part of it...im totally cool with that.
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+1 to my fellow well spoken albertan

xperiax10.awesome said:
SONY should return our money back
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As a fellow Singaporean, I'm ashamed that you are making a fool out of yourself here.
Let me get this fact straight -
The initial promise to upgrade WAS because they could not churn out a 2.0 or higher OS and sold us 1.6 instead, so they had to promise us an upgrade.
Being said by an upgrade, there already were hints that it would be 2.1, despite the hordes of kids around the world whining and setting up petitions for 2.2.
This news was all over the net last year. A promised 2.1.
But after that, people got greedy and asked for further upgrades. There WERE lots of topics with people being delusional trying to give themselves hope about having further upgrades.
Some even went ahead and emailed Sony Ericsson, already with replies that "there are no plans of further upgrades" and such, but still, they still maintained in delusion.
you think your $1,088 can last them for 2 years? It's barely 1 month's worth of pay for 1 staff. If they don't come up with new phones with better OS to entice you to buy them, they might close down their company since you won't spend another $1,088 on them for the next 2 years.
If you want a solution to this, fine. Email to them and tell them you don't mind paying them for receiving upgrades. In this case, I'm sure they will churn out a 2.2 exclusively for you.

What I don't get is, why do they have to feed us such bullsh*t about why we aren't getting any more android updates? There's no way they can claim that their ROM is better than vanilla 2.2. Sure, it has a few features that aren't found in stock 2.2, but there's a reason google released 2.2. And there is a reason more than 50% of the current android phones are running on 2.2. We, on the other hand, are stuck on a version of android that was announced before the phone launched. (or around the same time)
I have no problem with no further android os updates, since we can just flash 2.2 roms and soon 2.3. But please, don't give us that nonsense about 'no drastic change in user experience'. Let them admit that they are too lazy to go back and redo Timescape and Mediascape for 2.2 and I'll be happy.
Having said that, I was a happy X10 user until this morning. Now I just feel like an ass for defending my phone against all my friends who have already got 2.2 long ago on their phones and they taunt me with voice actions and flash

xperiax10.awesome said:
SONY should return our money back
I dont want to get stuck with X10(no Froyo or next versions) for SGD 1088/.
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For the 1st time i m just pissed off with SONY
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I saw it when it was 1st released at SGD$1088...
IMO, no phones are worth more than SGD$700.

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like little boys comparing the size of their dicks behine the shed. My disck bigger than yours. Grow up

mentat6059 said:
like little boys comparing the size of their dicks behine the shed. My disck bigger than yours. Grow up
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Keep your dicks to yourself. We are talking about phones here. While I don't agree with the OP about returning money..(seriously..lmao) SE should give us a better explanation..

They should do smthing like iPhone..ppl are getting iPhone4 for iPhone 3GS..(those on contract)
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pngface said:
Keep your dicks to yourself. We are talking about phones here. While I don't agree with the OP about returning money..(seriously..lmao) SE should give us a better explanation..
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+1 SE is too hazy.
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wow, seriously.
everyone should know by now that any tech item you buy, is out dated a few weeks after it's released.
and WHAT IF SE miraculously gives us 2.2, or even 2.3? when 2.4 comes out, are we to complain again?
my x10 came free as an upgrade with my contract. it had 1.6, and att x10's still don't have a native 2.1 upgrade. but again, it's a free phone (yes, i understand that the phone is eventually paid for throughout the contract in some ways).
unless you plan on purchasing a new device every month, don't expect to always have something that is running the latest and greatest. SE would lose money and shut down if they put 100% of their time and effort into 1 device and not into developing new devices. you can't expect SE to update the phone for as long as you decide to keep it.
seriously, why in the hell couldn't commodore release a windows 7 upgrade for the commodore 64?

I'm quite happy, as long as they sort out audio glitches, which I'm sure they will, remember the 0.4 second audio sync problem with video playback?
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I agree to the first thread . The phone is and was to much expensive.
The Hardware in the phone is great, but the service from SE is realy bad ...
I dont think that i will buy a SE phone again.
Launcherpro plus is much! better than the SE Launcher wich is not smooth and lagging ...
The Moxier stuff on the phone sucks and a needed to install 3rd party apps ...
And the Android Version is not up to Date what i would expect for this price ..

pngface said:
Keep your dicks to yourself. We are talking about phones here. While I don't agree with the OP about returning money..(seriously..lmao) SE should give us a better explanation..
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+1
They really SHOULD give us a better reason. Even lesser phones are getting froyo now, why doesn't this so-called superphone get it too?

I LOVE my Moto X. But...

It doesn't seem to be selling very well. Or have any ROM development (but that's a separate topic).
I mean it has some game changing features, but I don't think people really understood those unique features it offers. The Rogers employees at various stores didn't even have a clue about Touchless Controls so what selling point would they pitch to a client looking to get a new phone? It's got "less cores", "I would just go with the Galaxy S4". The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release. It's sad, really. Is that why the only two OEM's doing well (Samsung, Apple) are the ones that bombard us with advertising?
I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
I dunno it seems like the Moto X is the best phone that not many people bought. Seems like a complete marketing failure if anything.
I hope I'm wrong about this!
Discuss.

Does whether or not it sells well affect your usage of the device?
For me, it doesn't. I'm sure Google and Motorola are aware of the mountain they need to climb in order to build mindshare and attain high sales, and they probably don't expect it to happen immediately with this one device.

ultravisitor said:
Does whether or not it sells well affect your usage of the device?
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This was never implied in any way, shape or form. What is the reasoning behind this question?
It's not really about the phone at all. It's about what I suspect was a poor marketing execution for a product that could have turned a lot more heads than it has. I mean, sure I don't have statistics, but I'm posting it as an open discussion to see if other people feel this way or if I'm just crazy...
Having went to school for advertising/marketing, it genuinely bothers me when GOOD products fail to sell well because of a failed marketing campaign. It happens a lot, but with Google backing Motorola up on this one, I expected a little more as far as the marketing side goes.

They may be waiting until Motomaker comes out for all carriers to hardcore advertise, they have a few ads out already, go to YouTube and search "Lazy Phone"
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Last I heard it was a "success" in Motorola's eyes.

It might be a success in the USA, but not in Canada. There's no marketing whatsoever going on. All the nice displays & merchandising seen in the US is nowhere to be found in Canada.
I agree with the OP - When I went to buy it outright at Future Shop, they looked at me and said "Why don't you buy a Samsung or Nexus? That phone isn't up to par."
Unfortunately, Motorola Canada continues to underwhelm... Saddening, really. This phone really is the best-kept secret on the market... in Canada.
Sent from my Moto X

Motorola is owned by Google, how well this excellent phone is selling is not an issue for me at all.
Now if it was an HTC phone, and a flop, I'd be worried.
As for the dev support, This is the first device I've ever owned that I didn't feel needed "fixing" with a custom ROM. We have Root, we have Xposed mods, I'm good.

The problem with today's consumers..

gunnyman said:
Motorola is owned by Google, how well this excellent phone is selling is not an issue for me at all.
Now if it was an HTC phone, and a flop, I'd be worried.
As for the dev support, This is the first device I've ever owned that I didn't feel needed "fixing" with a custom ROM. We have Root, we have Xposed mods, I'm good.
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I was honestly hoping this would be a good device to learn about developing roms on. I have a bunch of things I want to do and no one to go ask for help ;_;

That's what the nexus phones are for

scorpion667 said:
It doesn't seem to be selling very well.
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The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release.
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I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
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In the United States, it has been sold out from Verizon Wireless retail stores within a 50-mile radius of me for weeks. So I think that it is selling fairly well.
You are correct that it hasn't been marketed very well. But that all comes down to marketing spend in two areas:
1) Advertisements. Other manufacturers (Samsung, Apple) have more prominently-placed advertisements. Even Motorola and Verizon Wireless tend to promote the Droid RAZR / Ultra / Maxx phones over the Moto X.
2) In-store placement. If you go into a retail store, you'll likely find other phones right at the entrance to the store. The Moto X is usually in the back.

mrbradeli said:
I was honestly hoping this would be a good device to learn about developing roms on. I have a bunch of things I want to do and no one to go ask for help ;_;
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If you wanted to learn developing you should have gone with a more open device (Nexus 4).
Also, coming from a N4 myself, this is the first phone I don't want to root and mod. I would flash roms, kernels, and tinker with the N4 all the time. But this phone has the perfect blend of software.
The reason people normally flash roms is to get closer to AOSP, and this phone is pretty much pure android with some welcomed additions.
#TeamStockMotoX lol

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This was never implied in any way, shape or form. What is the reasoning behind this question?
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It was an honest question because some people might actually start to become unhappy with the Moto X if it doesn't sell well. I didn't know if that was the case with you or not--some might make that clear in their post, and some might not. Again, it was just a question. There really is no need to be so defensive.

KiNG OMaR said:
If you wanted to learn developing you should have gone with a more open device (Nexus 4).
Also, coming from a N4 myself, this is the first phone I don't want to root and mod. I would flash roms, kernels, and tinker with the N4 all the time. But this phone has the perfect blend of software.
The reason people normally flash roms is to get closer to AOSP, and this phone is pretty much pure android with some welcomed additions.
#TeamStockMotoX lol
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The extra storage in this phone won me over. Either way, I'm mainly interested in audio stuff. If possible I'd like to mod the phone to do something similar to Voodoo Sound's DAC direct and analog amp. Aside from that I'd like the ability to build AOSP from the source for this device, which I'm pretty sure is possible with the kernel source Motorola posted a while back.

I think advertising might be more aggressive here in the States than in Canada. The only commercials for the Moto X I've seen are the ones with TJ miller and I've only seen them online, not TV since I haven't been watching it recently.

I have seen a lot of national moto x spots during sporting events on television. especially ncaa and nfl football.

Ah okay I wasn't aware it was doing so well in the states. I guess my observation only holds true for Canada. It really is the best android phone to date IMHO. That's why I was thrown off when I saw it was getting zero recognition here in Canada lol. It's good to hear it's at least somewhat successful because they (Google and Moto) revolutionised how I interact with my phone. When major changes like Touchless Controls or Active Notifications are successful, perhaps it will inspire other manufacturers to dust off those R&D facilities and try something new once in a while.
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It was an honest question because some people might actually start to become unhappy with the Moto X if it doesn't sell well. I didn't know if that was the case with you or not--some might make that clear in their post, and some might not. Again, it was just a question. There really is no need to be so defensive.
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Ah okay I was just thrown off cause the point of me making this thread was BECAUSE I believe the Moto X is an amazing phone, why is it not getting recognized - kind of thing. Reading back, I could have worded it better to reflect that. Sorry.
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I personally love my Moto X.
It's essentially a Nexus device with a couple extra goodies for increased functionality.
Sure the camera needs a little tweaking here n' there, but it's overall a wonderful phone.
This phone came at a perfect time for me. I don't want to flash roms every other day anymore. With my new son my priorities are elsewhere now.
Doesn't matter to me if it's not selling well, just means I'll get extra wow factor when showing it off because less people know about it. As long as motorola keeps supporting it, I'm a happy camper.

I snapped this pic real quick inside At&t retail while ordering my 32gig motomaker card. They are pushing it pretty hard.
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scorpion667 said:
It doesn't seem to be selling very well. Or have any ROM development (but that's a separate topic).
I mean it has some game changing features, but I don't think people really understood those unique features it offers. The Rogers employees at various stores didn't even have a clue about Touchless Controls so what selling point would they pitch to a client looking to get a new phone? It's got "less cores", "I would just go with the Galaxy S4". The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release. It's sad, really. Is that why the only two OEM's doing well (Samsung, Apple) are the ones that bombard us with advertising?
I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
I dunno it seems like the Moto X is the best phone that not many people bought. Seems like a complete marketing failure if anything.
I hope I'm wrong about this!
Discuss.
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What are your sources for sales? Or is this just a personal observation? Google and moto seem to be pretty happy with its sales... ya, it's no iphone or Galaxy in terms of sales, but everything here in the states have been bouncing been in stock/out of stock.
Overall, I care little about how well a device sells as long as it continues to be supported by the manufacturer. I don't think they were aiming for a big swing in market share, but rather, proving a point about how the industry has become over obsessed with specs and to bring the mobile device manufacturing process back to the states. Discounting sales, which is definitely important, I think the moto x had been a great success for what it was made to achieve... And I think it will continue to prove more successful in the coming months. Just my personal observation.
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#MotoShame campaign for 2 year OS update guarantee - Feb 26

The point is to embarrass Motorola for offering no update policy after their MWC presentation by making #MotoShame trend when they're trying get coverage for their new stuff.
Needed between now and then: People to post everywhere motorola users, in particular Moto Z users are. People to make example images or memes to post with their tweets. Maybe a good, clear infographic about what to do when would be nice if you're good at that. And really anything you think of to get more people on board.
Original post from Moto Z subreddit
Would anyone be interested in a twitter campaign to embarrass Motorola for failing to have an upgrade policy for their Premiere Moto Z line? They keep doing it because we keep putting up with it. I say we embarrass them for cheaping out on us with #MotoShame.
1) We need to trend on Twitter, which means we need to coordinate a large group to post at the same time at a future date. That means we need people to go to every forum where moto z users are and inform and recruit.
2) We need to do it at an ideal moment to get their attention, preferably when they are trying to generate good press. That's when we can get the most attention and the most earned coverage from the blogosphere. Instead of their new gear trending, we make #MotoShame trend.
They are unveiling hardware at MWC on February 26. Hitting them with this will distract from their earned coverage and possibly break through their unwillingness to hear customer complaints on the matter.
3) The tweets need a visual element. Pictures get attention on Twitter. A couple of options:
a) Post pictures of our Moto Zs being sad about Motorola's absentee parenting. quick example of Marvin the Hitchhiker Android speaking for my Z Play
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b) think of those pet shaming posts people put up, except this time we memeify sad-faced motorola logos or other promotional material with a sign purportedly from Motorola confessing its bad behavior in re: updates.​4) We need a clear demand. We should demand 2 years of guaranteed updates to Moto's premium line matches the cheapo Android One line guarantee. Suggested Tweet text "We made Moto Z a success, now Moto needs to match bargain Android One's 2 year OS upgrade guarantee #MotoShame" [attach image]​I'm not going to press the matter if no one is interested. But I like my Z Play, and I'd like to receive a reasonable amount of support. When I complain to moto alone, they ignore me. Only hope of making a difference is if we complain together. Is anyone interested? If so, how would you contribute (memifying moto shaming logos for people to add to their tweets, posting info and reminders on other forums, tweeting on Feb 26, etc)?
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Nah, not interested.

Shaming and memes? It's my only meaning in life.

Hey, I don't really know about the update policy . But I wanted to ask one thing. Are we going to get ANDROID O? OR is nougat the last update for Moto z play? Btw , I'm interested #motoshame

Dont really care much for updates

rajdeep2435 said:
Hey, I don't really know about the update policy . But I wanted to ask one thing. Are we going to get ANDROID O? OR is nougat the last update for Moto z play? Btw , I'm interested #motoshame
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The whole point is that there is no update policy, ergo, we'll never know what our last upgrade will be, or when it will be. We get cut off whenever moto gets sick of us.

So does that mean Android 7 is our last update or are we going to get Android 8(O) as well!?

It means if you want an answer to that question, you're going to have to demand one... from Motorola. "No policy" means they won't answer or even decide until they feel like it. Thus: #MotoShame.

Hi my friend, as I told you in MZP Group, this thread could be a lot like spam. And here is why i think that:
1.- You can not force Lenovo (or motorola) to give you an update, because they did not signed anything, they are not forced to give you an update, they just sell you their phone.
2.- Motorola has a 2 year warranty, if you want a signed document you will better make a request in change.org or something like that, and thats why Moto Z series users we dont have to be worried about updates but if you Remember the Moto G3 will not have the nougat update, and a lot of users claimed the update if you want 2 years warranty you will better make it for all moto devices.
3.- Its a terrible idea to make noise in the MWC days, because the only thing you will achieve is to give even more fame to lenovo, a lot of politicians makes this to be even more recognized, and the only thing you will achieve is raise the lenovo's shares of stock. If you want to take some attention then make DDoS attack to their servers.
4.- I do not care about updates, in less than a year im sure that i will have unlocked my bootloader and ill be trying the amazing roms of the XDA's people, im sure that you will have Android P or even Android Q thanks To XDA.
5.- I had the Moto G 1st Gen and let me tell you that Moto did an amazing job with the updates policy, mine was in Android 4.3, later 4.4 and finally 5.0 ... and thanks to the devs Moto G 1st Gen has android 6.0, if that was with a moto g, dont mind about a Moto Z Play ...
6.- I think it is better to make a polite request to lenovo than to make a lot of noise and hitting 'em to their mark image, as we say in Mexico "en el pedir está el dar" (in the asking is the giving).
Think about it mate.

As others here have said, you're alone in this view. Many of us are thrilled that Motorola updates phones like the Z Play as quickly as they do. The Axon 7 and Honor 8 both got nougat the same week we did, and those are ZTE/Huawei's flagships. The Z Play is a budget phone (albeit a very good one), the fact that it has nougat already is impressive. They tell you which phones will be updated, give you an idea of when they think it will happen, and then actually do it. They're no OnePlus, but they've got carriers to deal with and far more SKUs. For a company that size, Motorola is one of if not the best when it comes to updates.

People have been politely requesting a clear policy for years. Motorola and others have ignored it. If users are ok with that, I'm not looking to convince them otherwise. Just offering a platform for those that want to to finally be heard from.
I asked Motorola specifically about the length of support for the Z Play (future updates, not the speed of current ones which has nothing to do with thread), they said it was unknowable. Android One support isn't unknowable, and those phones are half the price of the Z Play.

The Bankshooter said:
Hi my friend, as I told you in MZP Group, this thread could be a lot like spam. And here is why i think that:
5.- I had the Moto G 1st Gen and let me tell you that Moto did an amazing job with the updates policy, mine was in Android 4.3, later 4.4 and finally 5.0 ... and thanks to the devs Moto G 1st Gen has android 6.0, if that was with a moto g, dont mind about a Moto Z Play ...
Think about it mate.
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The G has 7.1.1

uberano26 said:
The G has 7.1.1
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No, it does not. He was talking about the first gen Moto G, which got 5.1 officially. The Moto G gen 3 got 6.0. Only the 4th gen Moto G gets Nougat.
I only count Official update from Moto.

Yeah because what a shame it would be if a device got its update not from the manufacturer but from other sources.

uberano26 said:
Yeah because what a shame it would be if a device got its update not from the manufacturer but from other sources.
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To be fair, custom ROMs don't include features like Moto actions, active display, and touchless controls, which are all pretty useful. But if someone released a ROM with Moto features working that was relatively bug-free, who cares if it's official or not?

xxBrun0xx said:
To be fair, custom ROMs don't include features like Moto actions, active display, and touchless controls, which are all pretty useful. But if someone released a ROM with Moto features working that was relatively bug-free, who cares if it's official or not?
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At the same time, the people on forums like XDA are a tiny fraction of phone purchasers and know about rooting, ROM-ing, etc. Most people purchase phones without a desire to or knowledge of modding and would appreciate concrete and adhered-to policies ahead of the launch of a phone so that they know what they're getting in to.
Personally, I'd much prefer reliable info from the manufacturer and not have to root/ROM each phone that I get. I used to root before getting the MZP, but now I like the fact that I can use Android Pay again. The older I get, the more responsibilities I have, the less time I have to play around with my phones (although I personally enjoy it). I now want devices that just work and get updated in a timely, predictable manner.

pkadavid said:
At the same time, the people on forums like XDA are a tiny fraction of phone purchasers and know about rooting, ROM-ing, etc. Most people purchase phones without a desire to or knowledge of modding and would appreciate concrete and adhered-to policies ahead of the launch of a phone so that they know what they're getting in to.
Personally, I'd much prefer reliable info from the manufacturer and not have to root/ROM each phone that I get. I used to root before getting the MZP, but now I like the fact that I can use Android Pay again. The older I get, the more responsibilities I have, the less time I have to play around with my phones (although I personally enjoy it). I now want devices that just work and get updated in a timely, predictable manner.
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To that point, most people don't know what security updates are. Most people choose not to update when they have an update. So again, kind of a moot point.

xxBrun0xx said:
As others here have said, you're alone in this view. Many of us are thrilled that Motorola updates phones like the Z Play as quickly as they do. The Axon 7 and Honor 8 both got nougat the same week we did, and those are ZTE/Huawei's flagships. The Z Play is a budget phone (albeit a very good one), the fact that it has nougat already is impressive. They tell you which phones will be updated, give you an idea of when they think it will happen, and then actually do it. They're no OnePlus, but they've got carriers to deal with and far more SKUs. For a company that size, Motorola is one of if not the best when it comes to updates.
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To be clear, the MZP does not have Nougat already, at least not in the US and not rolled out by Motorola.
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To that point, most people don't know what security updates are. Most people choose not to update when they have an update. So again, kind of a moot point.
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Do you have a source for that?

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To be clear, the MZP does not have Nougat already, at least not in the US and not rolled out by Motorola.
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Do you have a source for that?
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Do you have any friends? Family members? Co-workers? Anyone you can ask? I bet more people than not have no idea the software on their phone is out of date. Go talk to non-technical people, I'm always amazed when I talk to "normal people" how little they know or care about their phones.
I'm not saying your wrong that Moto should have an update policy in place because it's pretty obvious that they should. My point is that they're not alone: no other phone manufacturer except OnePlus, blackberry, and google have a solid update policy that they stand behind and deliver on regularly. And unfortunately the majority of people are fine with that. Trying to humiliate a company for following an industry standard is pretty crazy, imo. Those of us who have had lots of Motorola's over the years, have called tech support, have gotten updates, have torn our hair out trying to unlock bootloaders that we're never meant to be unlocked, we see the current Motorola working harder than it ever has before to get us quick updates. Bashing them for that just isn't right.

xxBrun0xx said:
Do you have any friends? Family members? Co-workers? Anyone you can ask? I bet more people than not have no idea the software on their phone is out of date. Go talk to non-technical people, I'm always amazed when I talk to "normal people" how little they know or care about their phones.
I'm not saying your wrong that Moto should have an update policy in place because it's pretty obvious that they should. My point is that they're not alone: no other phone manufacturer except OnePlus, blackberry, and google have a solid update policy that they stand behind and deliver on regularly. And unfortunately the majority of people are fine with that. Trying to humiliate a company for following an industry standard is pretty crazy, imo. Those of us who have had lots of Motorola's over the years, have called tech support, have gotten updates, have torn our hair out trying to unlock bootloaders that we're never meant to be unlocked, we see the current Motorola working harder than it ever has before to get us quick updates. Bashing them for that just isn't right.
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You misconstrued my earlier opinion as supporting the bashing. I never said that.
Asking my friends, family, and coworkers would not result in statistically significant data on whether or not the general phone user is aware of or installs updates when presented to them by their OS. In the few minutes I had, I was neither able to find data that would support nor refute your hypothesis. This is also why I did not say that I believe that most users know about or install updates, because I have no data to support that. It was simply a statement from my point of view.