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The Definitive Android 2.1 Upgrade Chart - Updated With User Interfaces

Alright, like everyone else, I have grown tired of all the complaining about the 2.1 update. Yes, I would love to get my hands on the official update as I feel our 2.1 leak was pretty buggy. The devs have done great with what they have to work with, and I love running 2.1 even with some of the quirks that are inherent to a hacked ROM.
What I don't get is how everyone can be so upset with Sprint. Personally, I am on Sprint because they are cheap, and offer good cell phone service where I live. That's it. If you are upset with your carrier (as I was with my extremely high bills on Verizon) then buy out your contract and go to another carrier. However, don't expect that you will get your magical 2.1 upgrade any sooner with any other carrier.
Do most people realize that there is not a single Android phone for sale in America that has ever been upgraded to 2.1 from 1.5 or 1.6? In fact, there are only three phones that have ever even received an Android OS upgrade at all. The T-Mobile G1 (1.0-1.6), the T-Mobile myTouch 3G (1.5-1.6), and the Motorola Droid (2.0-2.1). That's it people.
For all the people blaming Sprint, HTC, or even Sense for how long it's taking them, look around. The T-Mobile G1 and myTouch3G both came out before the Hero, both run vanilla Andoid, and neither of them have been upgraded to 2.1. Just look at all the phones that are still running 1.5 and 1.6.
Personally, I think it will be hilarious if Sprint is the first carrier in America to upgrade a phone from 1.5 to 2.1. If this upgrade happens soon, this will certainly be the case. I just don't get how people can be so upset that we don't have the official 2.1 yet when there are only three phones that have it (two of which launched with it, and one of which launched with 2.0).
I apologize for making a new thread, but I wanted the chart below to have it's own space, and I didn't want it to get buried in one of the many other 2.1 threads. I believe this chart contains every Android phone available on one of the 4 major carriers in America. I compiled this list using wikipedia, so I didn't verify that it is 100% valid. I listed only phones available in America, and cleaned up the formatting to make it useful. Enjoy.
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I Gotta say that no one should be PO'D at Sprint,HTC or any other company for that matter, Sprint is the Best carrier I've been. Quit whining 2.1 will arrive before you all know it. Shut up root your hero while you still can flash a custom 2.1 rom and be happy. i Know im not gonna to upgrade to the official release. Ill wait to one my fav dev's puts out a 2.1 rom based off the otw upgrade with all fat trimmed off so it runs the way it should. So everybody behave your selves the upgrade from sprint will come no doubt, then you can go back to whining about how laggy and buggy your 2.1 hero is.
As for me Im gonna flash toast's new one fresh-toast 1.1, oh maybe something from damageless, oh hey darchstar's got a new one wow decision, decisions, lol

Thanks for doing this.
This definitively shows that the problem is not with Sprint and that manufacturers seem to have decided that there is no benefit to them whatsoever to supporting existing customers. Google is also failing to get the situation under control.
"Want the latest version of Android? Pay up."
That's what this chart says to me, loud and clear.

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I agree upgrade to the latest EVO 4G anyone
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I agree that people should stop whining about 2.1, it's more annoying than the 2.1 posts.

I guess my personal aggravation is the fact that it seems if you don't have the latest and greatest phone through your carrier's catalog you seem to just be cast in the corner. Was it not just 5 months ago the Hero was the savior and pride and joy of sprint's network and now with the evo on its way it's as if were the red headed child sitting in the corner. I agree that when it comes it comes but I just don't like the feel a company gives when they do something like that. Yes market and pay attention to your new toy but don't forget your loyal followers and their needs when we're locked in to at least 12 months with a phone you just called the greatest thing since the last big hit.

Its always been the same with every OS and every carrier. I remember being wint Windows same thing, these company make the money in the hardware not software therefore it's no business sense to give a great deal of support for older hardware. The truth of the matter is that for companies like HTC, people will continue to purchase the latest, even after all the waiting on the Hero most people will still go out and get the Evo. The only company making great support is Apple.

DR.mobbfigga said:
I Gotta say that no one should be PO'D at Sprint,HTC or any other company for that matter, Sprint is the Best carrier I've been. Quit whining 2.1 will arrive before you all know it. Shut up root your hero while you still can flash a custom 2.1 rom and be happy. i Know im not gonna to upgrade to the official release. Ill wait to one my fav dev's puts out a 2.1 rom based off the otw upgrade with all fat trimmed off so it runs the way it should. So everybody behave your selves the upgrade from sprint will come no doubt, then you can go back to whining about how laggy and buggy your 2.1 hero is.
As for me Im gonna flash toast's new one fresh-toast 1.1, oh maybe something from damageless, oh hey darchstar's got a new one wow decision, decisions, lol
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X2 This is what I think too.

ziggy682 said:
Alright, like everyone else, I have grown tired of all the complaining about the 2.1 update. Yes, I would love to get my hands on the official update as I feel our 2.1 leak was pretty buggy. The devs have done great with what they have to work with, and I love running 2.1 even with some of the quirks that are inherent to a hacked ROM.
What I don't get is how everyone can be so upset with Sprint. Personally, I am on Sprint because they are cheap, and offer good cell phone service where I live. That's it. If you are upset with your carrier (as I was with my extremely high bills on Verizon) then buy out your contract and go to another carrier. However, don't expect that you will get your magical 2.1 upgrade any sooner with any other carrier.
Do most people realize that there is not a single Android phone for sale in America that has ever been upgraded to 2.1 from 1.5 or 1.6? In fact, there are only three phones that have ever even received an Android OS upgrade at all. The T-Mobile G1 (1.0-1.6), the T-Mobile myTouch 3G (1.5-1.6), and the Motorola Droid (2.0-2.1). That's it people.
For all the people blaming Sprint, HTC, or even Sense for how long it's taking them, look around. The T-Mobile G1 and myTouch3G both came out before the Hero, both run vanilla Andoid, and neither of them have been upgraded to 2.1. Just look at all the phones that are still running 1.5 and 1.6.
Personally, I think it will be hilarious if Sprint is the first carrier in America to upgrade a phone from 1.5 to 2.1. If this upgrade happens soon, this will certainly be the case. I just don't get how people can be so upset that we don't have the official 2.1 yet when there are only three phones that have it (two of which launched with it, and one of which launched with 2.0).
I apologize for making a new thread, but I wanted the chart below to have it's own space, and I didn't want it to get buried in one of the many other 2.1 threads. I believe this chart contains every Android phone available on one of the 4 major carriers in America. I compiled this list using wikipedia, so I didn't verify that it is 100% valid. I listed only phones available in America, and cleaned up the formatting to make it useful. Enjoy.
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sprint still sucks Di** in my opinion, 2.1 or not

I will tell you why I am upset with sprint over this. It's because sprint in conjunction with HTC and Samsung decided back late last year that instead of doing maintenance updates to fix the known issues with both phones they would upgrade the phones to 2.1 and include the fixes then. This certainly implied some urgency on their part. But apparently none of the companies involved put enough resources into the upgrade. Also this fantasy of doing both phones at the same time tells me they are not interested in getting the updates out as soon as they are available because someone might be upset if one gets done before the other.
I rooted back in Jan and my phone works great. But I also expect when I buy a premium phone that it is supported properly by Sprint and the phone manufactures. If they can't do that then they have failed. I don't care if no other phone has been upgraded to 2.1. Every other carrier in the US has a phone that runs 2.1 yet sprint can't even give us a date to have that option. They have really screwed this up.

Crash83 said:
I guess my personal aggravation is the fact that it seems if you don't have the latest and greatest phone through your carrier's catalog you seem to just be cast in the corner. Was it not just 5 months ago the Hero was the savior and pride and joy of sprint's network and now with the evo on its way it's as if were the red headed child sitting in the corner. I agree that when it comes it comes but I just don't like the feel a company gives when they do something like that. Yes market and pay attention to your new toy but don't forget your loyal followers and their needs when we're locked in to at least 12 months with a phone you just called the greatest thing since the last big hit.
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Always seems like putting money in a salespersons hand causes them amnesia....
Just think of SPRINT as a REALLY BIG salesperson

MagnusRagnarok said:
Always seems like putting money in a salespersons hand causes them amnesia....
Just think of SPRINT as a REALLY BIG salesperson
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Well since I don't go to salespersons who don't in some way look after my interests that would mean that I wouldn't go back to Sprint. I have no intention of doing that. Sprint provides a quality service at an affordable price. They just can't afford to continue to make mistakes like this or they will continue their decline until they are out of business and I don't want to see that happen.

it's the old "fire and forget" routine.

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"Want the latest version of Android? Pay up."
That's what this chart says to me, loud and clear.
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How?????
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I updated the chart with the type of custom user interfaces run on the various phones in case it has any effect on rolling out OS upgrades.

Ziggy,
Excellent points, thanks for the perspective

nebenezer said:
Ziggy,
Excellent points, thanks for the perspective
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Thanks for that.
Completely off topic, but has anyone ever actually had to say "TouchWiz" out loud to someone?
Talk about the worst product name ever. I don't think I could buy a phone with that UI on it, simply because I would be too embarrassed to actually tell anyone that I was playing with my "TouchWiz".

raylusk said:
I will tell you why I am upset with sprint over this. It's because sprint in conjunction with HTC and Samsung decided back late last year that instead of doing maintenance updates to fix the known issues with both phones they would upgrade the phones to 2.1 and include the fixes then. This certainly implied some urgency on their part. But apparently none of the companies involved put enough resources into the upgrade. Also this fantasy of doing both phones at the same time tells me they are not interested in getting the updates out as soon as they are available because someone might be upset if one gets done before the other.
I rooted back in Jan and my phone works great. But I also expect when I buy a premium phone that it is supported properly by Sprint and the phone manufactures. If they can't do that then they have failed. I don't care if no other phone has been upgraded to 2.1. Every other carrier in the US has a phone that runs 2.1 yet sprint can't even give us a date to have that option. They have really screwed this up.
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What the hell? AT&Fee doesn't have a 2.1 device and neither does T-Mobile really. They have the Nexus One, but it is not sold in stores and with all the hardware and software issues, it's not worth mentioning. The only carrier with any 2.1 devices is Verizon and that is just as of now. The MT3G, EVO, and other devices are well on the way.

think of it this way... you're gonna want to run Froyo when it comes out anyway & NO WAY is Sprint or HTC gonna bother with an official upgrade for that. They'll be pushing the EVO/Next Big Thing. Thank goodness for the great developers working on stuff here.

nothing has changed..

so the streak has been released in the US now and for quite some time in the UK/euro and nothing has changed.
we got a few companys making cases that are neither unique or exciting but basically we are still stuck with a niche device with a small user base. now i love my streak but i cant help but feel is only a matter of time before it gets pulled from sale and all support/updates axed. i know at the moment its a hot device but you have to admit there is a air of death in the air compared to say the galaxy S.
i hope im wrong but i really dont think i am.

Isnt 2.2 suppose to be released in September for streaks in America? Then again I don't think it's confirmed. Once 2.2 is out things should speed up also the fact the streak doesn't appeal to a massive audience it seems to appeal more to us geeks that's all we need. It shouldnt be to long before dell release the source i would imagine.
Also no offense to the galaxy s but it has its fair share of problems and that really doesn't do it any favors so I wouldn't be writing about that .
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if Dell get the marketing right they could have a hit on their hands. here in the UK i've been out the field the last week (literally, camping) and the Streak proved it's mettle and a great talking point. now, at this juncture i think Dell suffer a bit from being branded a "box shifter" but i honestly think if Dell get their values correct with the Streak it will be around for a long time.
however, i am the first to admit that Dell does not have a great track record at leading a category - they tend to do whatever Microsoft and intel tell them to do (to the tune of a few tens of millions of dollars if anyone's been following the court case).
you just know when Apple release a 5" pocket computerphone that the pod people will buoy the marketing along for Apple ... Dell just does not inspire that kind of loyalty, or, is/has been getting the grass roots/astroturfing balancing act totally wrong.

It very much reminds me the story of N900.
Great hardware with great potential killed by the lack of interest of manufacturer, caused by the inability of big corporations to follow up on innovation.

I think the reason it does not move so fast at the moment is the lack if an updated os, but having mine for about an week now, I have to say the old os is somehow conceiled very good. The only lacks are the newest features that I have become used to via eclair and froyo..
And I am very sure that a lot of people are waiting to buy until froyo arrives. And as more and more people get tech interested, these " niche" gadgets get more popular.. So my two cents say that Dell will have the success they intended with the device.
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Godo_PPL said:
So my two cents say that Dell will have the success they intended with the device.
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I just don't see it. This device caters to geeks basically. Most consumers don't want a gigantic phone. My personal experiences have been normal consumers saying the device is too big, too ugly, and too niche.

uberamd said:
I just don't see it. This device caters to geeks basically. Most consumers don't want a gigantic phone. My personal experiences have been normal consumers saying the device is too big, too ugly, and too niche.
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This is what I heard from a regular Mac+iPhone user. And non-pocketable.
Until he took streak to a hand noticing how thin it is. And it fits into my pocket! Amazing. And the touch screen is very nice...
Overall reception was "it's not that stupid as it looks"

Godo_PPL said:
I think the reason it does not move so fast at the moment is the lack if an updated os
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It bugs me that so many reviewers cite old "firmware" (presumably they mean OS) as a reason to mark down the Streak. That's a crap reason, and a hallmark of a crap reviewer IMHO. I bought my Streak over the Desire because I knew that any (ok... most) software issues can and will be corrected, either by Dell or by us lot over here... but no software update will allow the Desire to browse the internet so comfortably, or be a reasonable e-reader, or enhance the (slightly) weaker battery, or make it such a beautiful platform for CoPilot, etc. In face, the only thing I did not like was the proprietary connector (because that can't be fixed by software). That is, until I found out it's a PDMI port.
A friend of mine recently crowed about updating his Desire to Froyo. I asked if it'd upgraded him to a 5" screen. He looked sad.
I just can't help feeling that over the next few months, we will find the Streak becoming greater and greater as cooked ROMs emerge. Good times ahead.

Honestly I think our best hope for Froyo is to keep bugging Dell about their GPL violations until they release their source so the community can get it up and running themselves (and yes, that's not such a great option either). Given what I have seen so far, I wouldn't really trust Dell on this.

flumps said:
so the streak has been released in the US now and for quite some time in the UK/euro and nothing has changed.
we got a few companys making cases that are neither unique or exciting but basically we are still stuck with a niche device with a small user base. now i love my streak but i cant help but feel is only a matter of time before it gets pulled from sale and all support/updates axed. i know at the moment its a hot device but you have to admit there is a air of death in the air compared to say the galaxy S.
i hope im wrong but i really dont think i am.
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You are not wrong. And that's why I haven't bought one yet. I even get a 10% Dell discount because I'm a student. But the lack of buzz and adoption of the Streak almost guarantees it to obscurity or failure. At that time I'll happily pick one up. I feel it's just priced too high and will slide down the closer we get to super/hot/awesome/fire greatness or the next thing. I'd like it to succeed as well, but I think Dell has screwed this from the start.

uberamd said:
I just don't see it. This device caters to geeks basically. Most consumers don't want a gigantic phone. My personal experiences have been normal consumers saying the device is too big, too ugly, and too niche.
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I will assume the idea from Dell was not to release this as an "mainstream" device, but a device to appeal to geeks and such. It is no way that Dell thinks 5" is a phone for the mass market!
I am pretty sure this is a device launched to make Dell look like an serious actor to be reckoned with in the future. Genius would I say starting on the top of the pack.
But, just my opinion....
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bmstrong said:
I feel it's just priced too high and will slide down the closer we get to super/hot/awesome/fire greatness or the next thing.
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Well you get a lot more for your money than an HTC Desire, Samsung Galaxy or an iphone,
suposed to be the greatest phones ever
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the Streak makes them look 'tacky n nasty little boys toys', which is what they are.
The Streak is like owning a top of the range BMW, you're not going to find accessories for it in Halfords/Wallmart

With a lot of bug...

I think the real failure in north america is the device is locked to at&t used only.
At the end, it's a nice device to have.

I think that is a good product too but the network driver is very buggy in 2.1 (8023) and if this release is the final release, it's a very bad things....
It is BMW not finished.....

mirrdhyn said:
the network driver is very buggy in 2.1 (8023) and if this release is the final release, it's a very bad things....
It is BMW not finished.....
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Well that's not finished yet either you muppet.
I don't think i've ever visited a forum where people download an OBVIOUSLY UNFINISHED AND UNTESTED ITEM then all winge about it
All the BS about it being official and how you should send the 'leaker' a donation makes me want to puke.
NEWS: the official one (when released) will be mentioned on the official websites, them being Dell or 02 themselves which will have a link, might be a bit obvious for some!
If Dell Streak owners are all that gullible, i'm going to start buying all the old first release 1.6 seconhand ones on ebay i can find, install 2.1 then sell them as BNIB just delivered from factory. As they obviously believe everything they are told.

In the End
I'm going with ATT, t-mobile is foobared on this phone

mirrdhyn said:
I think that is a good product too but the network driver is very buggy in 2.1 (8023) and if this release is the final release, it's a very bad things....
It is BMW not finished.....
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On my X5 they had to exchange 2 shocks in the first 18 months (fortunately they did for free even though after the warranty expired).
Besides, was there ever a perfect product?? Look at the iphone, took them a whole year just to get cut and paste, 3 years to get even basic multi-tasking.

cut and paste are not here on my Dell Streak...
Only on specific application but not on email...
Yes, I know that this build is a "beta" but from this topic and an other this build (8023) is a GM build, isn't it ?
So, If this build is a GM, I think the network driver is not finished, that all !
I have full network at home with my iPhone and my HTC and my Dell Streak too, but I lost the network on my Dell Streak frequently...

HansTWN said:
Besides, was there ever a perfect product?? Look at the iphone, took them a whole year just to get cut and paste, 3 years to get even basic multi-tasking.
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And it's still a pos, totally buoyed up by advertising and hype....
I think it's cool that the streak it's under promoted.. makes me laugh when people ask if it's an iPhone, then when I laugh ask is it a HTC then?
Tbh community is what makes a great device, I've said it before and will repeat it again, dell could really do something amazing and really get involved with the community to work together to make it an amazing device..
experts knowledge and volunteer enthusiasm makes a formidable team.

Look and read !!

You all bought this phone not even knowing there was gonna be a 2.1. SO why the heck are you complaining just because it can have it you still bought it regardless so why not Desire which did have 2.1 So please all stop your bloody moaning its doing my head in I like too answer questions asked on here and not look at stupid posts all the TIME !!!!!!!!!

thats for sure!
+1

Tada! Good job
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I remember we were promised a 2.1 update officially from SE when I bought the phone. I recently spoke with a programmer for SE though, so I understand why it's taking them so long, and I'm not that mad about it.

When I bought this phone, the whole reason I bought it was for the promised upgrade too 2.1 at the end of Q3. If I had known they were going to delay it, then yes I would have just gotten a Desire.
I have every right to moan and complain when they promised something and then didn't deliver.

I knew the phone was loaded with 1.6, but I also took solace in the fact that an update was imminent. This however hasn't been fulfilled, hence the frustration. Iv never posted about 2.1 on the x10, but your anger is misplaced

Tell ya what though - I'm glad they postponed the release of 2.1
While SE might have released it before the end of September, there was then going to be country changes, and the my carrier was bound to hold onto it for well over a month or two, and I'd probably still be waiting until mid 2011
So now I can just relax and enjoy 1.6 again, instead of getting hung up on an update.
See, I don't give two craps about the difference between 1.6 and 2.1 and 8.7, I just like shiny stuff.
Now I'm off to play with myself.

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Tell ya what though - I'm glad they postponed the release of 2.1
While SE might have released it before the end of September, there was then going to be country changes, and the my carrier was bound to hold onto it for well over a month or two, and I'd probably still be waiting until mid 2011
So now I can just relax and enjoy 1.6 again, instead of getting hung up on an update.
See, I don't give two craps about the difference between 1.6 and 2.1 and 8.7, I just like shiny stuff.
Now I'm off to play with myself.
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this you?

got my white x10i in the first week it released and i dun even know anythung about android os version (this is my first android device) so i was just quietly being patience waiting for the update...however now i start getting frustrated on these non-sense threads.
too many complaining in this forum now and i think MODS should start taking further actions to clean up some threads.....
the forum initally has some useful information...but now trying to search the forum for some specific topics and/or solutions will yield to so many useless threads in return....
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chris_knows said:
I remember we were promised a 2.1 update officially from SE when I bought the phone. I recently spoke with a programmer for SE though, so I understand why it's taking them so long, and I'm not that mad about it.
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I'm curious though... why is it taking them so long?

same here i really really really want to know why its taking so long

tetracortica said:
same here i really really really want to know why its taking so long
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Because they want to make sure we get the best experience out of the phone.
Because it's SE's first attempt at Android
Because there's a lot of customisations, rather than just plain old 2.1
Because sometimes things take longer than expected
Because if you ever had Windows Mobile, you'd know you never ever ever get an update
Because sometimes companies release 1000s of updates, mainly to fix issues the introduced with the previous update - SE want's to release an update without bugs
Because it's not really taking that long
Because there's nothing wrong with 1.6
Because some of the x10 community have become impatient, it seems like a long time
Because good things take time
Because they can
Because they have more to do in their time than just give you 2.1
Because it's interesting to watch the reactions of people
Because they might have to reprogram a lot of their UI to work with 2.1
Because 2.1 ain't perfect anyway
Because there should be another point here but I can't remember
Because I like making bullet points
Instead of whining about the problem, why not become part of the solution.
Ask yourself "what can I do to help Sony along?"

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Because they want to make sure we get the best experience out of the phone.
Because it's SE's first attempt at Android
Because there's a lot of customisations, rather than just plain old 2.1
Because sometimes things take longer than expected
Because if you ever had Windows Mobile, you'd know you never ever ever get an update
Because sometimes companies release 1000s of updates, mainly to fix issues the introduced with the previous update - SE want's to release an update without bugs
Because it's not really taking that long
Because there's nothing wrong with 1.6
Because some of the x10 community have become impatient, it seems like a long time
Because good things take time
Because they can
Because they have more to do in their time than just give you 2.1
Because it's interesting to watch the reactions of people
Because they might have to reprogram a lot of their UI to work with 2.1
Because 2.1 ain't perfect anyway
Because there should be another point here but I can't remember
Because I like making bullet points
Instead of whining about the problem, why not become part of the solution.
Ask yourself "what can I do to help Sony along?"
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+1. Guess that sum up everything
[*]Because they SE...

...........Because they are completely redesigning the UI

What I can't wrap my head around is if people wanted 2.1 or 2.2, why didn't they just buy a device that was already at the higher version.
It's not like there weren't any available. 99% of the countries where the X10 is officially sold have had a pretty nice selction of devices. And the world isn't lacking in unlocked devices....Even in Japan, the Desire came out only 3 months after the X10. (And was quickly pulled from the shelves. Apparently it's being re-released in October, with 2.2 preinstalled)
If these same people are so willing to sell their X10s just so they can have a newer Android version now instead of in a few weeks, why did they buy the phone in the first place???
I just can't understand.

@chris_knows... What did the SE programmer tell you?
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What:s wrong with Android 1.6? It still make my X10 looks good.
if we compare with other x series..x2 for instance. I must say "OH MY GOD"
Gunawan, GN Mutimedia & X10i

I dont really want to be back to an UnRooted phone, so I will wait a bit to try the 2.1 until the Root is fully tested

k1sr said:
Instead of whining about the problem, why not become part of the solution.
Ask yourself "what can I do to help Sony along?"
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Incase I wasn't clear enough in my previous post, I don't care for smart-ass answers. I wanted to know what caused the delay from a SE programmer's point of view. I said I was 'curious'. How is that whining?
@chris_knows: perhaps I'll just pm you since this forum has changed drastically since when I joined it. People will now attack you if they think there's even the slightest chance of someone attacking their beloved X10 (just for the record, I have no problems with my phone, I'm just CURIOUS)
Edit: If you really want to see whining, here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyN7O5jURgo

When I bought the X10 T-Mobile told me..
2.1 is coming
MT is not supported by 1.6
16m colors not supported by 1.6
Getting FroYo was my own dream, not that crazy...
**** the 16m colors, give me MT and FroYo!!!!!!! (dreaming..)
k1sr said:
Because they want to make sure we get the best experience out of the phone. MY ASS, BEST SE experience..
Because it's SE's first attempt at Android. PS3 software OK. But Android?? I'ts not that new or cutting edge. No new development needed. Especially not for Sony.
Because there's a lot of customisations, rather than just plain old 2.1. Localization? Timescape? Mediascape? LOL!
Because sometimes things take longer than expected. Right...
Because if you ever had Windows Mobile, you'd know you never ever ever get an update. Please don't compare these..
Because sometimes companies release 1000s of updates, mainly to fix issues the introduced with the previous update - SE want's to release an update without bugs. Nice, as expected for a high end phone??
Because it's not really taking that long. It DOES!
Because there's nothing wrong with 1.6. There is! Come on!!! Software compatibility? Speed?...
Because some of the x10 community have become impatient, it seems like a long time. High end phone, budget software support..
Because good things take time. Good? where?
Because they can
Because they have more to do in their time than just give you 2.1 Right!
Because it's interesting to watch the reactions of people
Because they might have to reprogram a lot of their UI to work with 2.1. Crap!
Because 2.1 ain't perfect anyway. Its beter than 1.6. And thats so perfect as you mentioned..?
Because there should be another point here but I can't remember. Bla bla
Because I like making bullet points Bla bla
Instead of whining about the problem, why not become part of the solution.
Ask yourself "what can I do to help Sony along?" ARE YOU SERIOUS??
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Sony SE WONT help you, you just keep buying..
XDA CAN help us getting at least FroYo on the X10. MT and 16m colors? Who knows!?

CW Latest Comparison Puts SE Last with 0

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There's really no way to sugar coat it: Sony failed when it came to Android upgrades in 2010. It gets a big fat zero all around, and with confirmation that its Xperia X10 phones will never see Froyo, there's really no hope remaining. To be fair, Sony Ericsson execs have been quoted as saying they're now better prepared to make upgrades for their newer phones, such as the recently announced Xperia Arc -- so we can only hope the company is at least serious about making some serious improvements.
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Anyone considering ARC after having got X10 should seriuosly consult a Doctor...
I had enough of SE for last 5 years and i for one am not going to buy another phone from these liars ....

Yep, their comments on SE sum it up nicely. Though I'm not willing to give SE the benfit of the doubt when it comes to their "promise" for the Arc.
Good to see that major tech websites recognize how much SE has screwed up, and call them on it.

IMO this was Se's first android phone, and they f*cked it up bigtime. I believe they will make sure they don't make any mistakes with the Arc.
Nonetheless, I am not getting the Arc until at least 6-12 months after its release, so that I know everything about it, which will save me from being disappointed again

i would just like to warn all of those ppl who don't know what a fail xperia is and stop them from buying the Arc.... what a shame...

CuBz90 said:
IMO this was Se's first android phone, and they f*cked it up bigtime. I believe they will make sure they don't make any mistakes with the Arc.
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The X10 may have been their first Android phone, but it wasn't THE first Android phone (in fact, it was released 18 months after the first Android phone, and after most carriers had already gotten into the game). Nor was it their first smartphone. They screwed their support with the Xperia X1 and X2 several years back. It's just their way.
a2ha said:
i would just like to warn all of those ppl who don't know what a fail xperia is and stop them from buying the Arc.... what a shame...
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That's why I post a comment in every SE-related news article I come across warning potential customers of how SE does things.

Froyo is now available for Dell Streak ,
the problem with SE is hat why spending 5 mounth to dev 2.1 version : froyo was on the market from June and the 2.1 upgrade occur in November , why they dont relase directly 2.2 Rom

Sony Ericsson is the first company I know that publicly celebrate failure. What a big SHAME!
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I'd like to read the arguments of SE defenders now. After all, this is a forum.

I am really deeply disappointment and i learned from my mistake buying x10..
Never buy SE anymore...... (>_<)
There's alot of mobile manufacturer who can gave more than what SE has. (^_^ゞ
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I'd like to read the arguments of SE defenders now. After all, this is a forum.
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We just sit down and laugh at you whiners
complaining about a phone, get a life people

Its not realy about the phone...
i think that SE seem to spend more time stopping other people modding software, themes etc than actually doing anything to improve on what they already have....
"Its easy to loose customers/clients than get new ones"

MJ_QaT said:
We just sit down and laugh at you whiners
complaining about a phone, get a life people
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And that's said by a guy who's comming to these threads just to criticize...
Wow
Any SE defender would like to give a different opinion?

MJ_QaT said:
We just sit down and laugh at you whiners
complaining about a phone, get a life people
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I completely agree!
I love the Xperia X10, despite Se's failure

CuBz90 said:
I love the Xperia X10, despite Se's failure
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This. That's why I insist on reading a point of view of whoever defends/agrees with SE's policy.

I'll defend
I'm probably more like your average consumer, being not nearly as cell phone technology savvy as most here.
The X10 was my first SE purchase after having various Motorola's, LG's, and Samsung's. I had quite a few software and hardware issues with each of these phones and I have to say that the X10 has been the most reliable and best performing of the bunch for all the "basics"--making calls, texting, taking pictures and browsing the internet. I have yet to experience a spontaneous shut down or bizzarre "ghost in the machine" anomaly, like I have with almost all of my other phones. I have actually found SE's customer support to be better than most. I'm not what you would call a power user, so for me, the delay in getting OS upgrades has been barely a nuisance. I care much more about hardware build quality, attractive design and reliability. SE has done very well in this regard and I would have no qualms about purchasing the Arc as my next smart phone. In fact, as soon as AT&T gets it, I will.

caifanX10 said:
And that's said by a guy who's comming to these threads just to criticize...
Wow
Any SE defender would like to give a different opinion?
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it is not a competition on who will win the argument.
as I have stated before, Samsung is considering locking the bootloader ( actually they have started to do so ), So you can see that other companies are following SE strategy in terms of OS....
On the other hand, have you tried Samsung Galaxy S? HTC Desire HD?, Galaxy Tab?
they all come with 2.2 FroYo, BUT, they are unreliable, I know because I have tried them all, I have been using other phones along with the X10i, and one thing I have found is that X10's 2.1 is the most stable and reliable than any other 2.2s available there ( Unless you get to spend hours customizing and editing ROMs )...
Bottom line is, if you want to have freedom with your phone and don't mind spending hours, several re-flashes, several bricks, and other things then go with the other brands.. If you want stability, do not care about custom ROMs, reliability, then go with SE
Sony Ericsson's aim is for the end-user just to use the beautiful UI along with the beautiful design, they haven't designed it for the devs and tech people to mess with it....
I know there are many who hate SE for their strategy, but there are more who love them for their design and quality...
and as stated above my post, their customer service is by far more professionally and helpful than others ( tried both Xperia service and SE service, not mentioning their Pureness concierge )
And as far as the ARC, will buy it as soon as it gets into the market, matter of fact is, will buy one for my brother as well as my father, as they both liked the Xperia 10.

This thread is closed
this is not i stifle opinions its a preemptive strike on a flamewar

No ICS for Sony Ericsson Xperia Play. Boycott Sony

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This page is for people disappointed by S/Fonys (formerly Sony Ericsson) decision to pull the Xperia Play from the ICS update list, several months after committing to it.
For those Xperia Play users our there, make sure Sony knows you won't forget this and won't just be walked over.
Join the boycott. #SONYmakeforget

LordBattleBeard said:
Join the boycott. #SONYmakeforget
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Umm, it's a little late for that. They got your money for the Xperia Play, and since there are few enough of us Play users, our boycott will not many any bit of a difference to Sony.

romcio47 said:
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lightningdude said:
Umm, it's a little late for that. They got your money for the Xperia Play, and since there are few enough of us Play users, our boycott will not many any bit of a difference to Sony.
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Just because they already got our money for the Xperia Play doesn't mean we can't deny them any future custom.
If its a choice out of doing something but failing or doing nothing and being a doormat, I choose the former. Each to their own.

I'll be getting the Hayabusa.

Its threads like these that are making me loose faith in most of the Xplay community.

Leraeniesh said:
Its threads like these that are making me loose faith in most of the Xplay community.
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Its posts like these that help me understand why companies get away with half of the antics they currently get away with. Damn fanboys

LordBattleBeard said:
Its posts like these that help me understand why companies get away with half of the antics they currently get away with. Damn fanboys
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What's with this sense of entitlement? You bought a product. You didn't sign a contract. Sony can make any call they want. As much as you don't like it, Sony did it to help xperia users. You'd probably want to boycott Sony if they released ICS and it was worse than gingerbread. Just cut the crap with these stupid threads.
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I bought the xplay on the commitment given by sony that the phone would see the ICS update. Sure, no contract but definitely covered under consumer law here in the UK.
As much as you don't like it, not everyone believes every word Sony says as if its holy scripture. Nor does everyone believe that they put enough effort into fulfilling their commitment to update the device.
To answer your last comment; no.

Boycott???
Please, grow up.

LordBattleBeard said:
Join the boycott.
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Erm......no! Grow up. So we don't get one meaningless update. Why is this bothering people so much? If Sony didn't announce that we were getting it, people wouldn't care. There's still gonna be custom ICS roms, so what's the problem?
What's worse are the babies who say they're never buying Sony phones again. Over one update? Ok, by all means give up on the best make of phones over one little update.

Miles Wolf said:
Boycott???
Please, grow up.
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Yes Mr Wolf, boycott.
I am not boycotting Sony, but ppl who do have reason, the Other OS PS3 thing, the X10 eclair/froyo thing, and now this.
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KeiranFTW said:
Yes Mr Wolf, boycott.
I am not boycotting Sony, but ppl who do have reason, the Other OS PS3 thing, the X10 eclair/froyo thing, and now this.
Sent from my Xperia Play using Tapatalk 2
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Other OS on PS3 annoyed the hell outta me. Due to not having a laptop at the time my PS3 became my desktop. Then they removed it...Then my PS3 broke
Then I started using OnLive instead well, abusing the 30min Free Trials XD
Still, I'm not boycotting. Sony have a good reason for not updating. However, I do think they should release the code that they have now so that devs can work on it some more for people who want it.
Me, I'm sticking to Gingerbread...Makes my games work

Miles Wolf said:
Boycott???
Please, grow up.
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Always bound to hit a nerve with some fanboys. Come again
The Alpha Gamer said:
Erm......no! Grow up. So we don't get one meaningless update. Why is this bothering people so much? If Sony didn't announce that we were getting it, people wouldn't care. There's still gonna be custom ICS roms, so what's the problem?
What's worse are the babies who say they're never buying Sony phones again. Over one update? Ok, by all means give up on the best make of phones over one little update.
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If your fine with the news, good for you, im glad. As it happens, some of us aren't, that's ok also... see how that works?
You need to realize that not everyone shares your every opinion or view on some things, deal with it
KeiranFTW said:
Yes Mr Wolf, boycott.
I am not boycotting Sony, but ppl who do have reason, the Other OS PS3 thing, the X10 eclair/froyo thing, and now this.
Sent from my Xperia Play using Tapatalk 2
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This. Though you forgot to mention the YLOD on the original phat PS3s.
CTU_Loscombe said:
Other OS on PS3 annoyed the hell outta me. Due to not having a laptop at the time my PS3 became my desktop. Then they removed it...Then my PS3 broke
Then I started using OnLive instead well, abusing the 30min Free Trials XD
Still, I'm not boycotting. Sony have a good reason for not updating. However, I do think they should release the code that they have now so that devs can work on it some more for people who want it.
Me, I'm sticking to Gingerbread...Makes my games work
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No ones forcing anyone to join the boycott mate. Your entitled to your own views on the matter and I respect that.
As for Sony releasing their source for it, I'd say there is more chance in Syria stop killing their own people. Not very likely in other words.

I'm in on the boat. Quite frankly - if I had known Xplay to not get any update I would consider buying a phone that would or already has like G.Nexus. I thought since X.play will be on par in terms of software why the heck not when I'm getting the gamepad.
What sony did was -dare I say- fraudulent. They have advertised on false information - on the premise of which people have - TRUSTED - and bought their phone. That is a VERY legit reason to be pissed about.

KeiranFTW said:
Yes Mr Wolf, boycott.
I am not boycotting Sony, but ppl who do have reason, the Other OS PS3 thing, the X10 eclair/froyo thing, and now this.
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First of all, if we are not getting ICS is not directly Sony's fault:
Logseman said:
Let's start from the beginning. The Play, from a pure hardware view, can run ICS. Sony, HTC and other companies are releasing hardware with ICS and lower specs than the Play (Tapioca, Desire C). We've seen that the beta runs mighty fine in the performance department, and it's obvious that the job can be finished if Sony cares to do so.
However, this is a matter of the gaming ecosystem. In short: the only companies Sony cares about are the big names like EA, Gameloft, Rockstar, etc. as they make the big majority of the Play game sales.
However, with regard to development, the Play is not important to those big names: they see it as "the redheaded stepchild Android", because they have to make extra effort to make it work with the game pads, instead of easily deploying the code in it like they do in the whole different platforms they code for (not only mobile phones, but smart TV's, console-related app stores, Steam and so on). Sony bribed those big developers with a lot of cash (remember all those free EA games and temporary exclusives?) so that the Play remained visible.
Fast forward to now. Gingerbread is present in a good 60% of Android Play Store-running hardware. ICS has only like.a 4%. Android is the best selling platform, with, let's say 500 million active devices. If my numbers are not wrong, that gives 300M GB devices 20M ICS ones. Developing with ICS in mind implies higher development costs, because you have to study the new features and use them. And of course, big name developers target wide audiences: by default they'll program with Gingerbread in mind, so they couldn't care less about ICS right now.
Someone mentioned Windows 7 incompatibility with old games: there is actually a Compatibility mode which was mainly designed for the purpose of using older games. Now Steam has taken care of that, which suits MS fine.
With the ICS upgrade, Sony probably contacted their "partners" and asked them to update their software (basically switch from the Sony custom gamepad framework to Google's standard one which Sony probably contributed themselves) for it to work properly in ICS, like they do in Sony gaming platforms. But unlike the PlayStations, it's those big name developers who are in control now, particularly in Android. Therefore, they showed Sony the middle finger.
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TL;DR this is a power struggle between Sony and the big name game developers. The latter have won here, at the expense of the users. Support independent developers but make sure they don't make the "big name" status, because they'll get the need to control everything and screw users like this.
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So I don't know why the hell you should boycott Sony, while they where trully wanting to launch the update (there you have the beta as a proof of it).
Second, the Sony that disabled the "Other OS" option on PS3 (Sony Computer Entertainment) is not the same Sony that decided to not launch ICS (Sony Mobile), so don't mix these two things, because it's like saying "OMG that movie from Sony Pictures is horrible, I'll boycott Sony without buying any of their smartphones!". Lol.
Ah, and as last point, the called "YLOD" (Yellow Light Of Death) of PS3 that somebody said is not the same as the red lights of death of Xbox 360. The YLOD was the most of times just a warning from the console, and not a signal of fatal failure. My PS3 showed the YLOD once and after disconnecting and reconnecting it here it is working fine since 2006 when I bought it.

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Interesting statements from Sony:
Back in the early days of Android upgrades, the company decided not to provide the Android 2.2 upgrade to its Xperia X10 phone -- which launched three months after the 2.2 platform's release -- saying that it believed "the features included in the Android 2.1 phone" were "on par with, and in many cases better than, a vanilla installation of 2.2." Um, right.
Sounds familiar?

Nocturnuz said:
I'm in on the boat. Quite frankly - if I had known Xplay to not get any update I would consider buying a phone that would or already has like G.Nexus. I thought since X.play will be on par in terms of software why the heck not when I'm getting the gamepad.
What sony did was -dare I say- fraudulent. They have advertised on false information - on the premise of which people have - TRUSTED - and bought their phone. That is a VERY legit reason to be pissed about.
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Precisely this. I suspect people wouldn't have been half as mad if they hadn't promised it beforehand. I certainly wouldn't have been because I simply wouldn't have bought it without some sort of commitment to at least one big update. It was the last and most important factor in why I took the plunge and bought the phone.
Miles Wolf said:
First of all, if we are not getting ICS is not directly Sony's fault:
So I don't know why the hell you should boycott Sony, while they where trully wanting to launch the update (there you have the beta as a proof of it).
Second, the Sony that disabled the "Other OS" option on PS3 (Sony Computer Entertainment) is not the same Sony that decided to not launch ICS (Sony Mobile), so don't mix these two things, because it's like saying "OMG that movie from Sony Pictures is horrible, I'll boycott Sony without buying any of their smartphones!". Lol.
Ah, and as last point, the called "YLOD" (Yellow Light Of Death) of PS3 that somebody said is not the same as the red lights of death of Xbox 360. The YLOD was the most of times just a warning from the console, and not a signal of fatal failure. My PS3 showed the YLOD once and after disconnecting and reconnecting it here it is working fine since 2006 when I bought it.
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Your view is based on taking Sony on their word. I have a hard time trusting them on it for various reasons, least of which because it just sounds like a half arsed excuse to me.
As for the beta, the idea of a beta is to find problems and bugs and make efforts towards resolving them with further builds, when did that happen? we sure as hell didn't see or hear about that happening. It seems to me as though the Sony dev dept realised it wouldnt just be a simple bodge job with the Play and bailed out without any real effort at it. Again, this is my view... you're welcome to disagree.
Although I didn't make that point, and I do agree that they are ofcourse different things, the two incidents were handled by the same company and so the reputation carries and is relevent.
Onto the YLOD, good for you... nobody I know with a 1st gen PS3 was so lucky (myself included). Do a quick search on ebay and see how many PS3s are being sold as faulty with the YLOD issue.
I couldn't care less whether these issues are linked to Sony, Microsoft, Apple, Samsung, whoever... loyalty to any company is a mugs game. I'll take issue when any of them when they take decisions that I don't agree with.
Nocturnuz said:
Interesting statements from Sony:
Back in the early days of Android upgrades, the company decided not to provide the Android 2.2 upgrade to its Xperia X10 phone -- which launched three months after the 2.2 platform's release -- saying that it believed "the features included in the Android 2.1 phone" were "on par with, and in many cases better than, a vanilla installation of 2.2." Um, right.
Sounds familiar?
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Very familiar. Its actions like these that don't instil trust and reinforce peoples reluctance to trust them on their word.

I don't want to be taking sides. But there are still people who don't want to gamble with flashing custom ROMS and stick to 'stock-with-a-little-mod' ROMS. And by that I mean stock ROM with bloatware removed, launcher modified, and the like.
Just like me. For now I don't think I could gamble with playing around with my phone. Nonetheless, I think I'm pretty satisfied with the GB I have now. I admit I'm a lil disappointed with Sony pulling the plug on the Xperia PLAY. But hell, I'm contented with my GB. I don't think I can stand a day with my phone showing off epic UI but can't even properly play my games. After all, the PLAY was supposed to show off with games, not some fancy UI. End of story.