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This page is for people disappointed by S/Fonys (formerly Sony Ericsson) decision to pull the Xperia Play from the ICS update list, several months after committing to it.
For those Xperia Play users our there, make sure Sony knows you won't forget this and won't just be walked over.
Join the boycott. #SONYmakeforget
LordBattleBeard said:
Join the boycott. #SONYmakeforget
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Umm, it's a little late for that. They got your money for the Xperia Play, and since there are few enough of us Play users, our boycott will not many any bit of a difference to Sony.
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lightningdude said:
Umm, it's a little late for that. They got your money for the Xperia Play, and since there are few enough of us Play users, our boycott will not many any bit of a difference to Sony.
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Just because they already got our money for the Xperia Play doesn't mean we can't deny them any future custom.
If its a choice out of doing something but failing or doing nothing and being a doormat, I choose the former. Each to their own.
I'll be getting the Hayabusa.
Its threads like these that are making me loose faith in most of the Xplay community.
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Its threads like these that are making me loose faith in most of the Xplay community.
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Its posts like these that help me understand why companies get away with half of the antics they currently get away with. Damn fanboys
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Its posts like these that help me understand why companies get away with half of the antics they currently get away with. Damn fanboys
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What's with this sense of entitlement? You bought a product. You didn't sign a contract. Sony can make any call they want. As much as you don't like it, Sony did it to help xperia users. You'd probably want to boycott Sony if they released ICS and it was worse than gingerbread. Just cut the crap with these stupid threads.
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I bought the xplay on the commitment given by sony that the phone would see the ICS update. Sure, no contract but definitely covered under consumer law here in the UK.
As much as you don't like it, not everyone believes every word Sony says as if its holy scripture. Nor does everyone believe that they put enough effort into fulfilling their commitment to update the device.
To answer your last comment; no.
Boycott???
Please, grow up.
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Join the boycott.
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Erm......no! Grow up. So we don't get one meaningless update. Why is this bothering people so much? If Sony didn't announce that we were getting it, people wouldn't care. There's still gonna be custom ICS roms, so what's the problem?
What's worse are the babies who say they're never buying Sony phones again. Over one update? Ok, by all means give up on the best make of phones over one little update.
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Boycott???
Please, grow up.
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Yes Mr Wolf, boycott.
I am not boycotting Sony, but ppl who do have reason, the Other OS PS3 thing, the X10 eclair/froyo thing, and now this.
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Yes Mr Wolf, boycott.
I am not boycotting Sony, but ppl who do have reason, the Other OS PS3 thing, the X10 eclair/froyo thing, and now this.
Sent from my Xperia Play using Tapatalk 2
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Other OS on PS3 annoyed the hell outta me. Due to not having a laptop at the time my PS3 became my desktop. Then they removed it...Then my PS3 broke
Then I started using OnLive instead well, abusing the 30min Free Trials XD
Still, I'm not boycotting. Sony have a good reason for not updating. However, I do think they should release the code that they have now so that devs can work on it some more for people who want it.
Me, I'm sticking to Gingerbread...Makes my games work
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Boycott???
Please, grow up.
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Always bound to hit a nerve with some fanboys. Come again
The Alpha Gamer said:
Erm......no! Grow up. So we don't get one meaningless update. Why is this bothering people so much? If Sony didn't announce that we were getting it, people wouldn't care. There's still gonna be custom ICS roms, so what's the problem?
What's worse are the babies who say they're never buying Sony phones again. Over one update? Ok, by all means give up on the best make of phones over one little update.
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If your fine with the news, good for you, im glad. As it happens, some of us aren't, that's ok also... see how that works?
You need to realize that not everyone shares your every opinion or view on some things, deal with it
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Yes Mr Wolf, boycott.
I am not boycotting Sony, but ppl who do have reason, the Other OS PS3 thing, the X10 eclair/froyo thing, and now this.
Sent from my Xperia Play using Tapatalk 2
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This. Though you forgot to mention the YLOD on the original phat PS3s.
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Other OS on PS3 annoyed the hell outta me. Due to not having a laptop at the time my PS3 became my desktop. Then they removed it...Then my PS3 broke
Then I started using OnLive instead well, abusing the 30min Free Trials XD
Still, I'm not boycotting. Sony have a good reason for not updating. However, I do think they should release the code that they have now so that devs can work on it some more for people who want it.
Me, I'm sticking to Gingerbread...Makes my games work
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No ones forcing anyone to join the boycott mate. Your entitled to your own views on the matter and I respect that.
As for Sony releasing their source for it, I'd say there is more chance in Syria stop killing their own people. Not very likely in other words.
I'm in on the boat. Quite frankly - if I had known Xplay to not get any update I would consider buying a phone that would or already has like G.Nexus. I thought since X.play will be on par in terms of software why the heck not when I'm getting the gamepad.
What sony did was -dare I say- fraudulent. They have advertised on false information - on the premise of which people have - TRUSTED - and bought their phone. That is a VERY legit reason to be pissed about.
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Yes Mr Wolf, boycott.
I am not boycotting Sony, but ppl who do have reason, the Other OS PS3 thing, the X10 eclair/froyo thing, and now this.
Sent from my Xperia Play using Tapatalk 2
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First of all, if we are not getting ICS is not directly Sony's fault:
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Let's start from the beginning. The Play, from a pure hardware view, can run ICS. Sony, HTC and other companies are releasing hardware with ICS and lower specs than the Play (Tapioca, Desire C). We've seen that the beta runs mighty fine in the performance department, and it's obvious that the job can be finished if Sony cares to do so.
However, this is a matter of the gaming ecosystem. In short: the only companies Sony cares about are the big names like EA, Gameloft, Rockstar, etc. as they make the big majority of the Play game sales.
However, with regard to development, the Play is not important to those big names: they see it as "the redheaded stepchild Android", because they have to make extra effort to make it work with the game pads, instead of easily deploying the code in it like they do in the whole different platforms they code for (not only mobile phones, but smart TV's, console-related app stores, Steam and so on). Sony bribed those big developers with a lot of cash (remember all those free EA games and temporary exclusives?) so that the Play remained visible.
Fast forward to now. Gingerbread is present in a good 60% of Android Play Store-running hardware. ICS has only like.a 4%. Android is the best selling platform, with, let's say 500 million active devices. If my numbers are not wrong, that gives 300M GB devices 20M ICS ones. Developing with ICS in mind implies higher development costs, because you have to study the new features and use them. And of course, big name developers target wide audiences: by default they'll program with Gingerbread in mind, so they couldn't care less about ICS right now.
Someone mentioned Windows 7 incompatibility with old games: there is actually a Compatibility mode which was mainly designed for the purpose of using older games. Now Steam has taken care of that, which suits MS fine.
With the ICS upgrade, Sony probably contacted their "partners" and asked them to update their software (basically switch from the Sony custom gamepad framework to Google's standard one which Sony probably contributed themselves) for it to work properly in ICS, like they do in Sony gaming platforms. But unlike the PlayStations, it's those big name developers who are in control now, particularly in Android. Therefore, they showed Sony the middle finger.
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TL;DR this is a power struggle between Sony and the big name game developers. The latter have won here, at the expense of the users. Support independent developers but make sure they don't make the "big name" status, because they'll get the need to control everything and screw users like this.
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So I don't know why the hell you should boycott Sony, while they where trully wanting to launch the update (there you have the beta as a proof of it).
Second, the Sony that disabled the "Other OS" option on PS3 (Sony Computer Entertainment) is not the same Sony that decided to not launch ICS (Sony Mobile), so don't mix these two things, because it's like saying "OMG that movie from Sony Pictures is horrible, I'll boycott Sony without buying any of their smartphones!". Lol.
Ah, and as last point, the called "YLOD" (Yellow Light Of Death) of PS3 that somebody said is not the same as the red lights of death of Xbox 360. The YLOD was the most of times just a warning from the console, and not a signal of fatal failure. My PS3 showed the YLOD once and after disconnecting and reconnecting it here it is working fine since 2006 when I bought it.
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Interesting statements from Sony:
Back in the early days of Android upgrades, the company decided not to provide the Android 2.2 upgrade to its Xperia X10 phone -- which launched three months after the 2.2 platform's release -- saying that it believed "the features included in the Android 2.1 phone" were "on par with, and in many cases better than, a vanilla installation of 2.2." Um, right.
Sounds familiar?
Nocturnuz said:
I'm in on the boat. Quite frankly - if I had known Xplay to not get any update I would consider buying a phone that would or already has like G.Nexus. I thought since X.play will be on par in terms of software why the heck not when I'm getting the gamepad.
What sony did was -dare I say- fraudulent. They have advertised on false information - on the premise of which people have - TRUSTED - and bought their phone. That is a VERY legit reason to be pissed about.
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Precisely this. I suspect people wouldn't have been half as mad if they hadn't promised it beforehand. I certainly wouldn't have been because I simply wouldn't have bought it without some sort of commitment to at least one big update. It was the last and most important factor in why I took the plunge and bought the phone.
Miles Wolf said:
First of all, if we are not getting ICS is not directly Sony's fault:
So I don't know why the hell you should boycott Sony, while they where trully wanting to launch the update (there you have the beta as a proof of it).
Second, the Sony that disabled the "Other OS" option on PS3 (Sony Computer Entertainment) is not the same Sony that decided to not launch ICS (Sony Mobile), so don't mix these two things, because it's like saying "OMG that movie from Sony Pictures is horrible, I'll boycott Sony without buying any of their smartphones!". Lol.
Ah, and as last point, the called "YLOD" (Yellow Light Of Death) of PS3 that somebody said is not the same as the red lights of death of Xbox 360. The YLOD was the most of times just a warning from the console, and not a signal of fatal failure. My PS3 showed the YLOD once and after disconnecting and reconnecting it here it is working fine since 2006 when I bought it.
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Your view is based on taking Sony on their word. I have a hard time trusting them on it for various reasons, least of which because it just sounds like a half arsed excuse to me.
As for the beta, the idea of a beta is to find problems and bugs and make efforts towards resolving them with further builds, when did that happen? we sure as hell didn't see or hear about that happening. It seems to me as though the Sony dev dept realised it wouldnt just be a simple bodge job with the Play and bailed out without any real effort at it. Again, this is my view... you're welcome to disagree.
Although I didn't make that point, and I do agree that they are ofcourse different things, the two incidents were handled by the same company and so the reputation carries and is relevent.
Onto the YLOD, good for you... nobody I know with a 1st gen PS3 was so lucky (myself included). Do a quick search on ebay and see how many PS3s are being sold as faulty with the YLOD issue.
I couldn't care less whether these issues are linked to Sony, Microsoft, Apple, Samsung, whoever... loyalty to any company is a mugs game. I'll take issue when any of them when they take decisions that I don't agree with.
Nocturnuz said:
Interesting statements from Sony:
Back in the early days of Android upgrades, the company decided not to provide the Android 2.2 upgrade to its Xperia X10 phone -- which launched three months after the 2.2 platform's release -- saying that it believed "the features included in the Android 2.1 phone" were "on par with, and in many cases better than, a vanilla installation of 2.2." Um, right.
Sounds familiar?
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Very familiar. Its actions like these that don't instil trust and reinforce peoples reluctance to trust them on their word.
I don't want to be taking sides. But there are still people who don't want to gamble with flashing custom ROMS and stick to 'stock-with-a-little-mod' ROMS. And by that I mean stock ROM with bloatware removed, launcher modified, and the like.
Just like me. For now I don't think I could gamble with playing around with my phone. Nonetheless, I think I'm pretty satisfied with the GB I have now. I admit I'm a lil disappointed with Sony pulling the plug on the Xperia PLAY. But hell, I'm contented with my GB. I don't think I can stand a day with my phone showing off epic UI but can't even properly play my games. After all, the PLAY was supposed to show off with games, not some fancy UI. End of story.
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SONY should return our money back
I dont want to get stuck with X10(no Froyo or next versions) for SGD 1088/.
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For the 1st time i m just pissed off with SONY
When did SE ever say they were updating beyond 2.1 when you bought your phone? They even told us that there was no multi-touch because of hardware constraints when we bought our phones, but they went out of their way to bring it to us anyways. We bought this device already behind the Android curve with 1.6, but now you expect it to have the newest version??? If you feel entitled to continuous updates, you must not have been around the past 20 years of the technology revolution. This is how it works. We have to pay for the research and development of new technology. If you don't want to buy something, just to have something better from the same manufacturer come out around the corner, then you either need to not buy anything or wait 10 years until the technology is not in its infant stage of development. The Xperia is nearing the end of its lifecycle, so this is to be expected. Did you complain to Microsoft when Windows 7 came out and you didn't get your pc upgraded for free?
agentJBM said:
The Xperia is nearing the end of its lifecycle, so this is to be expected.
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Please stop spreading such silly quotes. The X10 was first shown in November of 2009. It was released in 2010 around March. It is nowhere near the end of it's life cycle. Besides, that's a horrible excuse on Sony's part.
xperiax10.awesome said:
SONY should return our money back
I dont want to get stuck with X10(no Froyo or next versions) for SGD 1088/.
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For the 1st time i m just pissed off with SONY
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to start with, it is NOT Sony....it is Sony Ericsson. Completely different. Secondly, they never promised anything above 2.1. Thirdly, we are a very small part of the user base for the x10 handset. the vast majority of x10 users do not even know of xda developers let alone how to install the xrecovery menu or flash 2.2.1 beta onto their handset - let alone care. Sony Ericsson are all about selling handsets and appeasing the market.
we are **** out of luck.
For me, its time to leave SE behind and jump ship to a manufacturer that is actually interested in supporting the modding community, instead of one that actively tries to block it.
ok, im sorry, im getting sick of these "I effin hate sony" threads.
so i am finally going to put my .02 in.
first of all, is this the only thing you have ever bought in your life? how many purchases do you make in a week that you can step back and say, man this is awesome im so glad i bought this, this will be perfect for years to come.
exactly, none, have you ever bought a phone/pda that was perfect that would last you forever? and if so why did you buy the X10 if you were so perfectly happy?
i just dont understand how people can buy a $500 device, that in all honesty DOES impress, and DOES what its supposed to do pretty god damned well, and still freakin complain that 9 months later theres better technology out there.....SHEESH! welcome to life people! you can never have the "best" of something for more than a week. there will always be something "better" or "newer".
so i just bought new tires for my dodge ram, they cost hella lot more than my x10, so i guess i should go to my local tire store again in 9 months and whine about how my 9 month old tires dont look brand new anymore right?
come on man seriously, if you think sony lied to you or you hate this device so bad, freakin sell it buy an ifail 4 and leave us the fack alone. because im sure im not the only one here who's getting sick of the same lame "eff sony!!" bullishhh.
/vote kick op
/endrant
xperiax10.awesome said:
SONY should return our money back
I dont want to get stuck with X10(no Froyo or next versions) for SGD 1088/.
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For the 1st time i m just pissed off with SONY
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my god will this ever end! This is why I hardly come on here and post anymore. Every thread turns into some kind of SE bashing nonsense. I said it before...they said they would give us 2.x and they did...thats not good enough now people want 2.2/2.3. They shouldn't give us our money back because they have delivered what they said they would. They NEVER said we would get froyo or above. We will get some more updates for the X10 before it EOL. And if froyo or gingerbread are not part of it...im totally cool with that.
Agree
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Mr Patchy Patch said:
my god will this ever end! This is why I hardly come on here and post anymore. Every thread turns into some kind of SE bashing nonsense. I said it before...they said they would give us 2.x and they did...thats not good enough now people want 2.2/2.3. They shouldn't give us our money back because they have delivered what they said they would. They NEVER said we would get froyo or above. We will get some more updates for the X10 before it EOL. And if froyo or gingerbread are not part of it...im totally cool with that.
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+1 to my fellow well spoken albertan
xperiax10.awesome said:
SONY should return our money back
I dont want to get stuck with X10(no Froyo or next versions) for SGD 1088/.
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For the 1st time i m just pissed off with SONY
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As a fellow Singaporean, I'm ashamed that you are making a fool out of yourself here.
Let me get this fact straight -
The initial promise to upgrade WAS because they could not churn out a 2.0 or higher OS and sold us 1.6 instead, so they had to promise us an upgrade.
Being said by an upgrade, there already were hints that it would be 2.1, despite the hordes of kids around the world whining and setting up petitions for 2.2.
This news was all over the net last year. A promised 2.1.
But after that, people got greedy and asked for further upgrades. There WERE lots of topics with people being delusional trying to give themselves hope about having further upgrades.
Some even went ahead and emailed Sony Ericsson, already with replies that "there are no plans of further upgrades" and such, but still, they still maintained in delusion.
you think your $1,088 can last them for 2 years? It's barely 1 month's worth of pay for 1 staff. If they don't come up with new phones with better OS to entice you to buy them, they might close down their company since you won't spend another $1,088 on them for the next 2 years.
If you want a solution to this, fine. Email to them and tell them you don't mind paying them for receiving upgrades. In this case, I'm sure they will churn out a 2.2 exclusively for you.
What I don't get is, why do they have to feed us such bullsh*t about why we aren't getting any more android updates? There's no way they can claim that their ROM is better than vanilla 2.2. Sure, it has a few features that aren't found in stock 2.2, but there's a reason google released 2.2. And there is a reason more than 50% of the current android phones are running on 2.2. We, on the other hand, are stuck on a version of android that was announced before the phone launched. (or around the same time)
I have no problem with no further android os updates, since we can just flash 2.2 roms and soon 2.3. But please, don't give us that nonsense about 'no drastic change in user experience'. Let them admit that they are too lazy to go back and redo Timescape and Mediascape for 2.2 and I'll be happy.
Having said that, I was a happy X10 user until this morning. Now I just feel like an ass for defending my phone against all my friends who have already got 2.2 long ago on their phones and they taunt me with voice actions and flash
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SONY should return our money back
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I saw it when it was 1st released at SGD$1088...
IMO, no phones are worth more than SGD$700.
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like little boys comparing the size of their dicks behine the shed. My disck bigger than yours. Grow up
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like little boys comparing the size of their dicks behine the shed. My disck bigger than yours. Grow up
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Keep your dicks to yourself. We are talking about phones here. While I don't agree with the OP about returning money..(seriously..lmao) SE should give us a better explanation..
They should do smthing like iPhone..ppl are getting iPhone4 for iPhone 3GS..(those on contract)
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pngface said:
Keep your dicks to yourself. We are talking about phones here. While I don't agree with the OP about returning money..(seriously..lmao) SE should give us a better explanation..
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+1 SE is too hazy.
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wow, seriously.
everyone should know by now that any tech item you buy, is out dated a few weeks after it's released.
and WHAT IF SE miraculously gives us 2.2, or even 2.3? when 2.4 comes out, are we to complain again?
my x10 came free as an upgrade with my contract. it had 1.6, and att x10's still don't have a native 2.1 upgrade. but again, it's a free phone (yes, i understand that the phone is eventually paid for throughout the contract in some ways).
unless you plan on purchasing a new device every month, don't expect to always have something that is running the latest and greatest. SE would lose money and shut down if they put 100% of their time and effort into 1 device and not into developing new devices. you can't expect SE to update the phone for as long as you decide to keep it.
seriously, why in the hell couldn't commodore release a windows 7 upgrade for the commodore 64?
I'm quite happy, as long as they sort out audio glitches, which I'm sure they will, remember the 0.4 second audio sync problem with video playback?
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I agree to the first thread . The phone is and was to much expensive.
The Hardware in the phone is great, but the service from SE is realy bad ...
I dont think that i will buy a SE phone again.
Launcherpro plus is much! better than the SE Launcher wich is not smooth and lagging ...
The Moxier stuff on the phone sucks and a needed to install 3rd party apps ...
And the Android Version is not up to Date what i would expect for this price ..
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Keep your dicks to yourself. We are talking about phones here. While I don't agree with the OP about returning money..(seriously..lmao) SE should give us a better explanation..
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+1
They really SHOULD give us a better reason. Even lesser phones are getting froyo now, why doesn't this so-called superphone get it too?
To quote
There's really no way to sugar coat it: Sony failed when it came to Android upgrades in 2010. It gets a big fat zero all around, and with confirmation that its Xperia X10 phones will never see Froyo, there's really no hope remaining. To be fair, Sony Ericsson execs have been quoted as saying they're now better prepared to make upgrades for their newer phones, such as the recently announced Xperia Arc -- so we can only hope the company is at least serious about making some serious improvements.
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http://blogs.computerworld.com/17649/android_upgrades
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Anyone considering ARC after having got X10 should seriuosly consult a Doctor...
I had enough of SE for last 5 years and i for one am not going to buy another phone from these liars ....
Yep, their comments on SE sum it up nicely. Though I'm not willing to give SE the benfit of the doubt when it comes to their "promise" for the Arc.
Good to see that major tech websites recognize how much SE has screwed up, and call them on it.
IMO this was Se's first android phone, and they f*cked it up bigtime. I believe they will make sure they don't make any mistakes with the Arc.
Nonetheless, I am not getting the Arc until at least 6-12 months after its release, so that I know everything about it, which will save me from being disappointed again
i would just like to warn all of those ppl who don't know what a fail xperia is and stop them from buying the Arc.... what a shame...
CuBz90 said:
IMO this was Se's first android phone, and they f*cked it up bigtime. I believe they will make sure they don't make any mistakes with the Arc.
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The X10 may have been their first Android phone, but it wasn't THE first Android phone (in fact, it was released 18 months after the first Android phone, and after most carriers had already gotten into the game). Nor was it their first smartphone. They screwed their support with the Xperia X1 and X2 several years back. It's just their way.
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i would just like to warn all of those ppl who don't know what a fail xperia is and stop them from buying the Arc.... what a shame...
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That's why I post a comment in every SE-related news article I come across warning potential customers of how SE does things.
Froyo is now available for Dell Streak ,
the problem with SE is hat why spending 5 mounth to dev 2.1 version : froyo was on the market from June and the 2.1 upgrade occur in November , why they dont relase directly 2.2 Rom
Sony Ericsson is the first company I know that publicly celebrate failure. What a big SHAME!
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I'd like to read the arguments of SE defenders now. After all, this is a forum.
I am really deeply disappointment and i learned from my mistake buying x10..
Never buy SE anymore...... (>_<)
There's alot of mobile manufacturer who can gave more than what SE has. (^_^ゞ
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I'd like to read the arguments of SE defenders now. After all, this is a forum.
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We just sit down and laugh at you whiners
complaining about a phone, get a life people
Its not realy about the phone...
i think that SE seem to spend more time stopping other people modding software, themes etc than actually doing anything to improve on what they already have....
"Its easy to loose customers/clients than get new ones"
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We just sit down and laugh at you whiners
complaining about a phone, get a life people
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And that's said by a guy who's comming to these threads just to criticize...
Wow
Any SE defender would like to give a different opinion?
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We just sit down and laugh at you whiners
complaining about a phone, get a life people
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I completely agree!
I love the Xperia X10, despite Se's failure
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I love the Xperia X10, despite Se's failure
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This. That's why I insist on reading a point of view of whoever defends/agrees with SE's policy.
I'll defend
I'm probably more like your average consumer, being not nearly as cell phone technology savvy as most here.
The X10 was my first SE purchase after having various Motorola's, LG's, and Samsung's. I had quite a few software and hardware issues with each of these phones and I have to say that the X10 has been the most reliable and best performing of the bunch for all the "basics"--making calls, texting, taking pictures and browsing the internet. I have yet to experience a spontaneous shut down or bizzarre "ghost in the machine" anomaly, like I have with almost all of my other phones. I have actually found SE's customer support to be better than most. I'm not what you would call a power user, so for me, the delay in getting OS upgrades has been barely a nuisance. I care much more about hardware build quality, attractive design and reliability. SE has done very well in this regard and I would have no qualms about purchasing the Arc as my next smart phone. In fact, as soon as AT&T gets it, I will.
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And that's said by a guy who's comming to these threads just to criticize...
Wow
Any SE defender would like to give a different opinion?
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it is not a competition on who will win the argument.
as I have stated before, Samsung is considering locking the bootloader ( actually they have started to do so ), So you can see that other companies are following SE strategy in terms of OS....
On the other hand, have you tried Samsung Galaxy S? HTC Desire HD?, Galaxy Tab?
they all come with 2.2 FroYo, BUT, they are unreliable, I know because I have tried them all, I have been using other phones along with the X10i, and one thing I have found is that X10's 2.1 is the most stable and reliable than any other 2.2s available there ( Unless you get to spend hours customizing and editing ROMs )...
Bottom line is, if you want to have freedom with your phone and don't mind spending hours, several re-flashes, several bricks, and other things then go with the other brands.. If you want stability, do not care about custom ROMs, reliability, then go with SE
Sony Ericsson's aim is for the end-user just to use the beautiful UI along with the beautiful design, they haven't designed it for the devs and tech people to mess with it....
I know there are many who hate SE for their strategy, but there are more who love them for their design and quality...
and as stated above my post, their customer service is by far more professionally and helpful than others ( tried both Xperia service and SE service, not mentioning their Pureness concierge )
And as far as the ARC, will buy it as soon as it gets into the market, matter of fact is, will buy one for my brother as well as my father, as they both liked the Xperia 10.
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this is not i stifle opinions its a preemptive strike on a flamewar
Read this over on modmyi.com Do you think this is fair?http://modmyi.com/forums/mac-news/754963-sony-granted-access-two-years-geohots-paypal-records.html
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On March 5th, we reported that Federal Magistrate Joseph Spero officially authorized Sony to subpoena Geohot's web provider to secure the official log of IP addresses that visited GeoHot.com between January 2009 and early 2011. In addition to Sony being given access to this information, the PS3 maker is about to delve even deeper into Geohot's personal records. This week Sony was also granted access rights to all of Geohot's PayPal records for 2009, 2010, and even January of 2011.
The reason Sony was given access to Geohot's personal PayPal log is the same reason the company was similarly handed all of the other data it requested. According to Sony, the information will help determine whether the company should sue George "Geohot" Hotz in New Jersey or San Francisco. NJ is Geohot's home state, but San Francisco is where his jailbreak files were allegedly most downloaded (plus, San Francisco is also close to Sony headquarters and a trial close to home would be nice).
If you're scratching your head on this one, you're not alone. After all, Sony is looking into more than 24 months of PayPal records even though the primary hack they're upset about is only a few months old. Nonetheless, even on the heels of Sony's latest over-the-top effort to publicly embarrass Geohot in front of the entire jailbreaking community, few are expressing outrage over Sony's ability to acquire this relatively sensitive information all for the sake of "making an example" out of a lone 21-year-old hacker.
All I know is that the hacks he apparently opened the gates for have ruined games like Modern Warfare 2 for me.. they have killed some games and I don't agree with that at all. I don't support anyone who made hacking the online play of the ps3 possible.
Rooting my phone is much different because I am not ruining the user experience for countless other people, when you hack and cheat ps3 games online.. you are.
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All I know is that the hacks he apparently opened the gates for have ruined games like Modern Warfare 2 for me.. they have killed some games and I don't agree with that at all. I don't support anyone who made hacking the online play of the ps3 possible.
Rooting my phone is much different because I am not ruining the user experience for countless other people, when you hack and cheat ps3 games online.. you are.
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+1 Damn Right.
Rippley05 said:
All I know is that the hacks he apparently opened the gates for have ruined games like Modern Warfare 2 for me.. they have killed some games and I don't agree with that at all. I don't support anyone who made hacking the online play of the ps3 possible.
Rooting my phone is much different because I am not ruining the user experience for countless other people, when you hack and cheat ps3 games online.. you are.
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I dont believe he necessarily opened up hacks in games. He's known for jailbreaking the ps3 so u can burn games and make your console backwards compatible with ps and ps2 games, and also jailbreaking the iphone/ipod. If you buy something, ITS YOURS! Do what you want with the damn thing, void the warranty, explore options. Why get sued for doing what you want to do with your item?
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I dont believe he necessarily opened up hacks in games. He's known for jailbreaking the ps3 so u can burn games and make your console backwards compatible with ps and ps2 games, and also jailbreaking the iphone/ipod. If you buy something, ITS YOURS! Do what you want with the damn thing, void the warranty, explore options. Why get sued for doing what you want to do with your item?
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Sure you should be able to do what you want with your ps3, but only if it doesn't affect others. aka hacks in game which arent possible without a jail broken counsel if i understand it correctly.
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All I know is that the hacks he apparently opened the gates for have ruined games like Modern Warfare 2 for me.. they have killed some games and I don't agree with that at all. I don't support anyone who made hacking the online play of the ps3 possible.
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I didn't know that was possible. How can you hack online play to benefit the gamer?
Edit: Let me rephrase that. Not how do I hack it in the sense of I want to do it, but what benefits or advantages can you get from this? I thought it was just to burn games and for reverse compatibility with older PS games.
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I dont believe he necessarily opened up hacks in games. He's known for jailbreaking the ps3 so u can burn games and make your console backwards compatible with ps and ps2 games, and also jailbreaking the iphone/ipod. If you buy something, ITS YOURS! Do what you want with the damn thing, void the warranty, explore options. Why get sued for doing what you want to do with your item?
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From the link you posted.
"Geohot's hack just allowed a bypass of the system to stop checking for official Sony signed programs which allows you to fully use the system to run your own code and such which really opens the door to homebrew applications."
He may or may not have wrote any hacks or cheats, who knows. He did make it possible for others to do it for the sake of "homebrew" apps.
The problem with your argument of "it's yours do what you want" is this... Your ps3 is yours and you paid for it, my ps3 is mine and I paid for it. When you start doing things to yours that completely ruin my experience when playing.. then it's an issue. If people only hacked the game that didn't involve online play, nobody would say anything. The fact that some powerful hacks/mods that I won't even get into here made it's way to the online play is what the major problem here is.
Besides, you bought your ps3 so you do own the system.. you do NOT own the OS it runs. If you want to develop and code your own version to play on your own network.. then you can do anything you want. Just because you bought a ps3 doesn't mean you own any portion of their OS or the PSN.. so no, you can't do anything you want.
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I didn't know that was possible. How can you hack online play to benefit the gamer?
Edit: Let me rephrase that. Not how do I hack it in the sense of I want to do it, but what benefits or advantages can you get from this? I thought it was just to burn games and for reverse compatibility with older PS games.
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In games like modern warfare 2 there were wall hacks, aimbot hacks, god mode hacks.. I mean you name it, they had it. It was a joke.
Hack YOUR game all you want, but stick to the part of it that isn't online. When you code things to work on the PSN and ruin it for me and thousands of other people... there is a problem with that. I didn't pay for my ps3 and my games just to go online and get cheated by some 12 year old watching tutorials on youtube on how to enable godmode.
Go check out the callofduty.com forums sometime, the ps3 section. Granted it is full of kids who are crying about everything in the game.. but it also full of people who have been banned for jailbreaking their ps3.
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From the link you posted.
"Geohot's hack just allowed a bypass of the system to stop checking for official Sony signed programs which allows you to fully use the system to run your own code and such which really opens the door to homebrew applications."
He may or may not have wrote any hacks or cheats, who knows. He did make it possible for others to do it for the sake of "homebrew" apps.
The problem with your argument of "it's yours do what you want" is this... Your ps3 is yours and you paid for it, my ps3 is mine and I paid for it. When you start doing things to yours that completely ruin my experience when playing.. then it's an issue. If people only hacked the game that didn't involve online play, nobody would say anything. The fact that some powerful hacks/mods that I won't even get into here made it's way to the online play is what the major problem here is.
Besides, you bought your ps3 so you do own the system.. you do NOT own the OS it runs. If you want to develop and code your own version to play on your own network.. then you can do anything you want. Just because you bought a ps3 doesn't mean you own any portion of their OS or the PSN.. so no, you can't do anything you want.
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Well played sir!
Get over it, its a game its not the end of the world. There have been cheats for games since day one and there always will be if you don't like it don't play them or complain to Sony for creating a system that can get hacked by a lone 21 year old that in my opinion they should employ to help make the ps3 more unexploitable.
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Get over it, its a game its not the end of the world. There have been cheats for games since day one and there always will be if you don't like it don't play them or complain to Sony for creating a system that can get hacked by a lone 21 year old that in my opinion they should employ to help make the ps3 more unexploitable.
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And anyone caught cheating or modding will be banned, just go check out some of the forums and you will see. There will definitely be cheats, only now there are ways to report these cheats and people are being console banned. Keep cheating, eventually you'll get tired of buying a new ps3 everytime you get console banned... that helps me "get over it"
You don't have to agree with me, doesn't really matter if you don't. Sony is taking big steps to cut out hacking.. and you don't have to like that either.. but I guess you'll just have to "get over it".
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Get over it, its a game its not the end of the world. There have been cheats for games since day one and there always will be if you don't like it don't play them or complain to Sony for creating a system that can get hacked by a lone 21 year old that in my opinion they should employ to help make the ps3 more unexploitable.
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Pretty much true. They should have hired his ass. I heard that Sony tried to interview the creator of Clockwork Mod Recovery also but he denied. Sticking it to the man...
Kstarz said:
Get over it, its a game its not the end of the world. There have been cheats for games since day one and there always will be if you don't like it don't play them or complain to Sony for creating a system that can get hacked by a lone 21 year old that in my opinion they should employ to help make the ps3 more unexploitable.
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Sounds like someone needs to cheat to be competitive.
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Pretty much true. They should have hired his ass. I heard that Sony tried to interview the creator of Clockwork Mod Recovery also but he denied. Sticking it to the man...
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At any given time you can go online in Call of Duty:Black Ops and have anywhere from 300,00 to 700,00 people playing. Sometimes more than that.. so well over a million people play this game online.
IF I have to explain how hiring a guy who made it possible to, at the very least, "piss off" the majority of these people would be a bad business move.. then I won't even try.
He wasnt really creating it to be a entry to online cheating. He just wanted a backwards compatible console with 3rd party and homebrew apps. Why not share that with the online community who want to customize their system? Theres been cheating on ps3 way before he jailbroke it. Im pretty sure of that.
Yeah he did open doors for homebrew code; I can remember playing mw2 and people had wall hacks(could see enemy thru walls) ,getting nukes in 4 kill care package killstreaks(nuke is 25 kills without dying lol) ,so much hacking it was just insane. Black ops team does a find job with Modding, you mod/hack you get the banhammer in less than 24 hours. That kid is a freaking genius though.
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Sounds like someone needs to cheat to be competitive.
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Fyi I don't own a PlayStation so yes call me a cheater all day long but lol at you and I also do not care if anybody agrees with me but are Sony turning into apple ? money grabbing at every opportunity even skanking a 21 year old.
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He wasnt really creating it to be a entry to online cheating. He just wanted a backwards compatible console with 3rd party and homebrew apps. Why not share that with the online community who want to customize their system? Theres been cheating on ps3 way before he jailbroke it. Im pretty sure of that.
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Come on, Geo is a smart guy. He's smart enough to know what he was enabling. I'm not saying the guy should be set on fire.. but something needed to be done to stop it.
Anyone who wants to play old ps2 games that bad, go get a friggin ps2, they are dirt cheap these days. The ps3 security was pretty solid before this jailbreak, I won't say it was hack free, but not the overwhelming mess it was the last few months. Go youtube some hacked lobbies on modern warefare2, it was a disaster and I'm not joking.
But still. I mean c'mon. They are suing the crap out of this guy for bs. Okay he found a way to penetrate your walls, fix the damn walls completely and stop pushing crappy weekly updates that do nothing. Since they have money, they trying to set the hacking community straight and scare us.
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But still. I mean c'mon. They are suing the crap out of this guy for bs. Okay he found a way to penetrate your walls, fix the damn walls completely and stop pushing crappy weekly updates that do nothing. Since they have money, they trying to set the hacking community straight and scare us.
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Why shouldn't they set them straight? If every game you've ever bought online was hacked into things that were just "silly", then eventually people would just stop buying them at all.
They need to tighten up their "walls" but if they don't lay the smackdown on people who "penetrate the walls" then fixing them will not be enough. There will always be people trying to hack the ever loving crap out of it unless they start coming down hard on those people.
Geo is still young and I agree that he's a damn genius when it comes to this stuff. If he starts using his talents for something useful, then he will be perfectly fine..
**edit** Another thing here.. we aren't talking about a random hacker here and there. No, not at all. Geo made it pretty simple for people to hack/mod the ps3. Some games, like mw2, were completely overrun with hackers... completely. It was only a matter of time before it made it's way to every online game out there, unless it was taken care of early on.. like they are trying to do.
No more ASUS for me
Never posted before, but what a silly post. Perhaps Microsoft should not develop any further versions of windows as it will 'harm' their past users? Perhaps no-one should develop any new technology as some will be left behind, perhaps we should have stuck to bows and arrows? It is well known that Android is a more fragmented eco system than Apple. Perhaps you should have thought about this more and researched your purchase a little better. You sound more suited to Apple quite honestly, fanboy in the making.
Meh. Whatever. Have fun with Apple. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.
It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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Yes, i opened the thread believing it contained something positive regarding Asus and Google. Instead i was rewarded with petty drivel.
If you're looking for somebody to talk you out of it (which you must be, you wouldn't have made a post otherwise), don't bother looking. We don't need you to stay. Go ahead and jump.
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just lou said:
It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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Lol...funny i was thinking something similar. Funny thread.
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to me the TF was a "good buy"
baseballfanz said:
to me the TF was a "good buy"
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had to thank that 1 lol
i love my TF ICS or not
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
I find it funny about his complaints of Asus/Android. It's not a flaw of Android by any means.
Should Android stop releasing operating systems? No! They have nothing to do with hardware. Their goal is to develop competent software with reasonable releases, and they do that.
This intermediate time of merging the software onto the hardware? Yes, it is annoying, but it's expected. Android releases their software at the same time to EVERYONE. It takes time to develop the OS for a product. This time exists in Apple products as well most likely, but Apple has the fortunate benefit of not releasing the software until AFTER it has been fitted for the limited number of devices they control, because they are both a hardware AND software company.
Give it time. ICS will be here eventually. I'm patient. In the meantime, I will keep running paulbrennan's build and enjoy what we already have.
2011CorvetteZR1 said:
I, for one, have had enough with Android and Google. Android/Google are forever building new versions of code that manufacturing companies can not keep up with.
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And what do you think, other developers do what? Apple does the same (no wonder the old iPhones aren't supported by iOS4 and 5), just like Microsoft, Samsung, Nokia, etcetera.
New codebase is the key to the future - with new functions built in, it can be a more widespread generic base, where manufacturers have less to modify to make their own taste. And manufacturers aren't able to keep up? Seriously, if they only made a device tree, and sent it to Cyanogen Team with a few test devices, they'd have more profit than ever. They could keep up, and they are not willing to do so because then the newer devices wouldn't sell. Just like Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, etc.
Manufacturer's are not going to spend profits on older products, they already got your money! Why is Google forever coming up with new versions? Android is in developement and always trying to be like Apple. I am an android developer and thought I would be happy with developing for 50% of the market users. 50% of the market users but in the corporate world the ratio is much different.
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The Android Market has millions of devices connected (I recall someone saying over 300million). So to target only the 50%, you'd have to make an application what is useful for almost everyone. Then count with the other devs who thought about the same, and you'll drop below 20% in the most optimistic case. You can never reach 50% if you're not a name already (like EA Games, Gameloft, and other huge companies). Or if you can't afford heavy marketing, adverts, etc.
Companies that provide employees with phones and tablets is where Apple rules. Why is that? Apple products are just better. They are not cheap plastic, creaky things where every one if different and not hardly one is on the same version. I do not have an iPhone because I refuse to pay carrier's pricing but all I want from a phone is phone calls, gps, access to emails, and some web browsing.
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WRONG. Companies buy iPhones for their employees because they have contracts with a given carrier. They get them in huge numbers for cheap, because Apple is pushing them (the carriers). They get huge bonuses just because that, not to talk about a lot bigger user base.
Apple things don't rule. They are made of the same plastic, metal, and other parts (ICs, SoCs, etc), as 99% of these are manufactured in China, even assembled in China! There was a picture, where it showed that the same factory was producing iPhones on a line, and next to it were cheap tablets and phones and mp4 players, and they were using the same material, electronics, etc.
At Apple, Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, and so on, you're paying for the brand - actually, some of the Chinese stuff can be better for half the price. Justsayin'
Phones are not game systems or video players - I am not going to watch a full length movie on a 4" screen.
Tablets on the other hand might be video players and I might play a game and I certainly will surf the web and read emails.
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Phones aren't, you're right, but when you're on the bus for 30mins, sitting in a line for the dentist, and so on, you can't have your xbox, ps3, wii with you. But you have your phone. So it's a fine time to watch a short movie (an episode of some series, etc), or play something funny (Angry Birds for an example).
Tablets are the same, except bigger, and you can use them as a smaller form PC or laptop.
I do not have an iPAD because I thought android was better. It is not and is always trying to one up Apple but Google can not even catch up to Apple nevermind get ahead of them.
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Then you think wrong. Both sides have their own pros and cons, but Google is definitely ruling Apple with Android, for the first time. There were more Android phone activations just during the holidays, than iPhone sales during a YEAR.
I had high hopes for ICS but doubt it will ever come on h/w that I already own - thanks ASUS, but I understand. Why no ICS yet? Because ASUS is working on their next device as they try to make a better product than Apple.
Interesting, first you say Google shouldn't make updates, now you cry for not getting one?
If ASUS cant take google code and get it ported into a device and not have problems then why are they selling the product. The prime GPS stinks but they continue to sell them, ASUS fixed the problem by repacking the PRIME but not retrofitting the nonworking Primes. We pay for their development, they are not looking back - profits comes from new sales.
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Asus won't release ICS until they get enough sales of the Prime first. You DID NOT pay for their development, there was no word about providing further updates in the future (there was a part, where it said, that Asus MAY send updates) for sure in the contract, you simply purchased the device, with the actual software on it. About Prime problems, yes, it's a concern they won't retrofit the problematic ones, but I'm sure they will come around that sooner or later.
I am saving for an iPAD and will keep the Android toys around for the kids. ASUS finally made me see the light.
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Okay then Apple boy. All of your sentences were just words from someone's mouth who bought an Asus Transformer expecting iPad features. I can tell you for sure: YOU WON'T GET THEM. This is not frikken Apple, this is ANDROID. Learn the difference between an open source, community driven operation system, and a closed source licensed and overpriced product.
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It's obvious that Android wasn't made for you. You people have to understand just some people think they like something but really don't. Try out apple, see how restricting they are. Maybe you will see their "light"
just to say.........if Apple was the bomb then why do people feel the need to jailbreak.........i think the term says it all. Freedom over the system to change what they want to try make it better ( sounds familiar ).......and get free **** of course (coughfilesharecough get it right up you )
just outta curiosity.........whys the logo got a mouldy half eaten granny smith on it anyway rather than a fully glorious golden delicious?
hmmm
Go for Apple, sell your transformer and give it a shot.
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I was about to post that. It might be nvflashable, which is more than you can say about mine
His ratio of posts is like 20-1 whining about ICS not being here to actual non-ICS posts..lol
I guess he bought the TF101 expecting it to be ICS any day, if you purchase an item with above reasonable expectations, when you get disappointed it is your own fault.
Lesson? Study the device you purchase better before you purchase next time.
LOL and after getting reamed for such a thoughtless post he edited it to remove all the thoughtlessness haha
Probably all talk. He will keep the tablet I'm sure.
2011CorvetteZR1 said:
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I remember reading your post saying you own that car. You don't need the money.
So is your tf nvflash capable and how high does it clock ?
Mine has bad light bleed etc and well a swap or upgrade would be nice
Then you can sell and buy a nice shiny new ipad 2s
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I have now had my X10 for 23 months.
It has been a turbulent old relationship, when I first got it I was blown away (as I'm sure most of you were with your first smart phone) A few months in when I started to get interested the Android operating system I was outraged to be left on 2.1, while phones I'd decided against were all getting 2.3! So like any self respecting technology junky I rooted with z's incredible 2.2 OS
By this time last year, after continued pressure from it's customers (me included), Sony had announced the release of 2.3 for my by now beloved X10. Joy of Joys!
When I finally got the official update I was mightly impressed it had everything that I felt Android was all about; apps2sd and flashplayer. I did try to root my phone after updating to 2.3 but the procedure was more difficult than with 2.1 and I never pulled it off. To be perfectly honest the fact that the stock OS did everything I wanted probably meant that the desire to get root access was no longer consuming my every waking minute.
23 months ago I kind of stumbled upon the Android operating system. I wanted a smartphone and everyone I met with an Iphone was a ****. I had been loyal to Sony Erricsson for my last 4-5 handsets so the X10 was the obvious choice for me. 2 years on and I'm in, it's android all the way as far as I am concerned.
I write this on my Motorola Xoom (still waiting for ICS by the way Google [tut tut]) and could never see myself with an windows phone or iproduct. I have never tried the Windows OS and dont care if I ever do. I have tried the iOS and while I admit it is an amazing bit of kit, apples attitude towards business and toward it's customers leave me cold. Coupled with the fact that anyone I've met with an iPhone has insisted in telling me aaallllll about it, I can't ever see myself locked in iPrison.
Rant over. My point is this: what now? My contract is up in 36 days and I am going to have to decide on a new handset. My loyalty to Sony Ericcson has dwindled somewhat but my loyalty to the Handset Alliance is now set in stone.
I quite like the idea of getting a Motorolla to go with my Xoom but the last Motorolla handset I owned was gash, although that was many generations ago.
I'd like to know any ex-X10ers opinions. What did you upgrade to? What would you reccomend?
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Hey there FormBee! I myself am a Sony junkie (thus the rather biased opinion that shall ensue) and had my X10 for little over a year now. The X10 has indeed had quite a bumps in its career (especially for AT&T customers in the States, where Ericsson denied the 2.3 update...) but when I found the world of ROMs and custom kernels, it transformed into a technological dewdrop of heaven.
Now, Sony has a rather strange history of making relatively sub-par devices when it pushes out some new line of devices. I bought a Sony VAIO laptop back in 2003-04 and it was dissapointing when I compared to it competitors. I now own another Sony VAIO laptop ('11 model) and its easy to see how far they have gotten. With phones, I feel the same way. With Sony now starting to release their NXT line of smartphones, (Xperia S/ ion...) I can only expect every good aspect of the X10 to be exemplified, whether it be hardware specs (dual core 1.5 GHz proc., 12.1 MP cam) or simply the pure aesthetics. Sony had a lot to learn from the X10 and I believe it shows in the new line of phones (though they'll all be shipping with Android 2.3 w/ ICS update in Q3 i think).If you have not checked out their new line of phones, I suggest you do!
As for Motorola, I can't really give an opinion on that since I've only owned one of their flippy-phones back in the day. However, I've some pretty good stuff from the Moto Droid Maxx: fast, easily customizable, and a rather long-lasting battery. Personally, I'm eagerly waiting for the Xperia ion (S won't be shipping here, sadly).
Just my 2 cents (or pence, what have you). Hope it helps!
Hi, as a recommendation, I wouldn't keep a sony ericsson. I still feel i did wrong decision in buying the x10, I don't get how can it be so laggy (I've tried every solution possible since 1.6) I know it's not very powerful, but I find it laggy still with 1.6 when it's supposed to run perfectly smooth. My point is the user experience quality given by sony, is not very... Good. I think they are just producing one phone after another, without stopping and truly giving everything to one and make it flawless.
FormBee said:
I'd like to know any ex-X10ers opinions. What did you upgrade to? What would you reccomend?
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i'm not yet giving up my X10, but..
as roaming around in this forum, i've read many threads about like x10 vs. samsung galaxy S2, and showing in their S2s and they say it totally rocks more than the x10. my friend has an S2 and tried it, maybe they're right, as compared to the x10 it's much faster and stronger, and not to mention, a latest one.
but I think to compare an S2 to the new Xperia S, I think the new Xperia S wins. really never tried that one though.. but Sony did a good job all over these years in between gadgets, and their new product will be an A-OK as usual
kensixx said:
i'm not yet giving up my X10, but..
as roaming around in this forum, i've read many threads about like x10 vs. samsung galaxy S2, and showing in their S2s and they say it totally rocks more than the x10. my friend has an S2 and tried it, maybe they're right, as compared to the x10 it's much faster and stronger, and not to mention, a latest one.
but I think to compare an S2 to the new Xperia S, I think the new Xperia S wins. really never tried that one though.. but Sony did a good job all over these years in between gadgets, and their new product will be an A-OK as usual
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Lol
S2 is much powerful and better than Xperia s also #UMADBRO?
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I've got a Galaxy S2 Skyrocket. (1.5 Ghz Dual Core, 1Gb Ram, LTE, 4.5 Inch Screen running ICS Leak) and my friends got an X10...
Get an S2 and your mind will be blown.
sahibunlimited said:
Lol
S2 is much powerful and better than Xperia s also #UMADBRO?
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Really.. ahhh.. okay, sorry
I think I'll go for Xperia S in a few months, love that phone, I recommend you do that too, unless you like sammy's bricks
riginal said:
I think I'll go for Xperia S in a few months, love that phone, I recommend you do that too, unless you like sammy's bricks
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Xperia s and x10 looks like a brick too
But that's my thinking, everyone thinks different
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Dude get the xperia s and get on with your life. You knouw you want to !
I am in the same place as yourself only my contract is up - today.
Xperia S is a non starter as it is a big ugly brick. The fruit phone is looking attractive (sadly). Roll on S3 I guess.
Bennachie said:
I am in the same place as yourself only my contract is up - today.
Xperia S is a non starter as it is a big ugly brick. The fruit phone is looking attractive (sadly). Roll on S3 I guess.
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Just wait and see what SGS3 have to offer
Bennachie said:
I am in the same place as yourself only my contract is up - today.
Xperia S is a non starter as it is a big ugly brick. The fruit phone is looking attractive (sadly). Roll on S3 I guess.
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lol are you kidding? Xperia S looks like an ugly brick? and Samsung Galaxy (the whole line) don't? then we differ greatly in our definition of the "ugly brick" expression, For me Xperia S is a nice stylish phone with more than enough great specs & performance & an awesome camera unless you want to have a ugly super fast piece of brick that you don't even have any use for that much of perf & power but to show-off your benchmark & stuff
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lol are you kidding? Xperia S looks like an ugly brick? and Samsung Galaxy (the whole line) don't? then we differ greatly in our definition of the "ugly brick" expression, For me Xperia S is a nice stylish phone with more than enough great specs & performance & an awesome camera unless you want to have a ugly super fast piece of brick that you don't even have any use for that much of perf & power but to show-off your benchmark & stuff
@Sahib: Do you even have the X10 still or you're just hanging around here when you don't even have the device anymore just to bash Xperias & praise samsung?
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I am not that idiot that i will write a fake tapatalk sig
and as i said everyone thinks different and i think xperia s and x10 looks like fat bricks but arc was super sexy
I know why you say samsung phones looks like bricks because they are broad...But very thin too
First many people said all samsung high and low end devices looks same but now see all xperia 2012 looks same
I just had bad experience with first sony phone and great experience with samsung phone so its not always about power(and i care a lot about development too)
If you need a proof that i have x10 then see the image
sahibunlimited said:
Xperia s and x10 looks like a brick too
But that's my thinking, everyone thinks different
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The Whole Samsung line looks like ugly bricks(and clones too) compared to the entire xperia line
Not even the x10 despite being fat looks ugly but with galaxies they all look ugly except for the first one(awesome performance on all of them though)
Imo the xperia line has the majority of best looking droids compared to other brands
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Ha!
You lot are no help at all! X10 an ugly brick? Have you gone mental? I can see how by todays standards it may be cumbersome but the X10 is over 2 years old, practicaly an antique as far as mobile phones go.
I am not really all that bothered about asthetics anyway. If I rated form over function I'd be on an iforum. I was kind of hoping that I'd get some discussion on processor speeds and ICS updates. 2 years ago I made the mistake of not checking first and almost ended up with a phone stuck in the doldrums of 2.1. I want to make sure this time that I get something that'll last the duration of the contract before becoming painfully outdated..
I spoke to my provider (Orange) and they were laughably uninformed, the guy thought I was joking when I asked about the Ice Cream Sandwich update! He asked what features I needed, I told him it would need to be Android and he offered me a Nokia? A Nokia for crying out loud! On the plus side they did tell me that I could have any phone I wanted free of charge, including the iPhone 5 if I'm willing to wait (my chance to ask if he was joking).
Easy root access would be a plus for me although not a necessity if the updates are quick in coming round. Thats why I was considering Motorolla what with the Google buy out and all (although still waiting for ICS on my Xoom [tut tut Google]).
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Ha!
You lot are no help at all! X10 an ugly brick? Have you gone mental? I can see how by todays standards it may be cumbersome but the X10 is over 2 years old, practicaly an antique as far as mobile phones go.
I am not really all that bothered about asthetics anyway. If I rated form over function I'd be on an iforum. I was kind of hoping that I'd get some discussion on processor speeds and ICS updates. 2 years ago I made the mistake of not checking first and almost ended up with a phone stuck in the doldrums of 2.1. I want to make sure this time that I get something that'll last the duration of the contract before becoming painfully outdated..
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Dude, no matter which handset you settle on, it will definitely be outdated well before your contract expires, most handsets are lucky to last 6-12 months before the there a bigger and better one released, take itwat-phones for example there's guaranteed to be a new one released each year and even tho the brainwashed population are locked into a 2yr contract they all must have it! And if they don't crapple just push new IOS version to there old handset to lag the hell out of it so they are pretty much forced to upgrade. chumps haha
All in all i've had my X10a coming up 2 years, it was my first android device which taught me alot about android and now I wouldn't get anything but, and for what I currently use my X10 for its still very capable (with help from the brilliant devs on this site of course ), but yes, I would still love to upgrade to the latest tech but at the end of the day I don't desperately need too. Ive also had a XOOM but flicked it off for top dollar while i could after owning it 6 months once i heard rumours of the XOOM2.
Another thing, I do love the concept of the ASUS Padfone cause it basically covers all bases without having to buy 3 separate devices (smartphone, tablet, laptop) which could be a game changer, (answering phone calls with the stylus is pretty cool haha) but then you never hear much feedback about ASUS smartphones, even tho their tablets seem to get alot of great reviews. But Im leaning towards that myself (wanting a new phone and another tablet eventually) but If a better known phone manufacturer came to the table with something like that I would be all over it.
Of course it will be outdated at the end of the contract. Thing is though I'v had my X10 for 2 years and it only just over the last few months has started to feel outdated (and that is only because of the ICS update), but this is due to luck (Sony Ericcson relenting) rater than design (me doing some research before deciding on a handset). So I thought I would swot up so I could make an informed decision.
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Most phones all have similar specs I can only think of three different types of cpu's in mobiles I guess four if you count the apple cpu. Point is find something that you think is nice looking and feels good in your had. I never buy in contract so it is harder for me to try before i buy. But if you buy inside a contract make sure that you make a call or two before you buy it that way you know if the sound is good for you. I tend to buy a phone that has good support here in xda and the sony xperia s is only released in one or four countries right now and already has a pretty good start. I am leaning towards the p4s or ascend quad. P4 I like because I want to try a phone with gorilla glass. Samsung has some nice phones out.
Anyone got experience of the HTC one x? It looks awesome.
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