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My disappointment with Sprint and with HTC

I don't know if this is worthy of a new thread or not, if you guys find it not to be then you can delete it. I just wanted to post this so that i can vent my anger out on Sprint and no one besides you guys at XDA would probably care. I am very upset with Sprint and all of their products that i have so far. I got into the smartphone scene with a palm and i had that for quite a while, things worked great on it. Then i made the switch to the HTC Diamond. I was excited for the phone until i got it. It had a huge battery problem, i would probably get 5 hours most on the phone, and it lagged severely. To me, that is a huge problem so if i were with Sprint and HTC i would have fixed that right away. But, alas sprint is not that kind of company, so they left it. Thanks to the developers, they fixed Sprint and HTCs problem.
I then switched to the HTC Hero, again i was very excited for this phone and i saved for quite a while to purchase it. But again, when i got it i was disappointed. The phone lagged more than i expected and again, there was a battery issue. HTC get the hint already, fix your battery scripting. So i did the most sensible thing, i rooted my phone and upgraded with developer roms because it seems developers care more than Sprint.
Now i sit here waiting for Android 2.1 which sprint promises that they will release. I hear so many dates, first one said it was suppose to be released on March 23 and now i hear April 9th. And to make matters even worse, they are now releasing 2 new phones to their lineup. I am excited for these new phones, the nexus one and the EVO, but what the heck sprint, fix your current problems!
I am very interested in the EVO, from what i read, it is suppose to have quite a few cool things. But, i am not going to let the appearance fool me, this phone seems so powerful that sprint isnt gonna be able to handle it and they will release some great looking phone with a ton of problems, and instead of fixing these problems, they'll probably just try to push another phone on us. The Evo says it will have an 8 megapixel camera, seems impressive but the Hero has a 5 megapixel camera, that honestly, is **** without some tweeking to it. So i think an 8 megapixel camera will probably be the same with no fix from sprint or htc. Next, they promise a great processor, this sounds good but to me it sounds like another phone with 5 hours of battery life. I may be wrong but so far htc's previous products are all the same in this field.
I may just ranting but i really needed to get this out, i still don't know why i stick with sprint and htc, i guess i am loyal and i have faith that one day they will listen to their customers and fix their stuff. I don't know if anyone else feels this way too but this is what i have noticed since i got onboard with htc and sprint.

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haha thats great, thanks i need that, haha. if crying gets things fixed with these companies then i am there.

I would imagine that all smartphone get terrible battery life. They are basically pocket-sized computers. It's not just HTC's. They improved the Hero a ton with the US version compared to the Euro one. Maybe switching to a non-smartphone might be your option? I don't know. I can tell you that with 2.1, our Heroes will have better battery life once we get the update. Because these leaked ROMs already do. Anyways, I don't really think Sprint is the problem with the phone. They are just the carrier minus the few apps they install. Do you live in a spot that has good coverage from Sprint? Because I will tell you this...If you have bad coverage, you won't get good battery life. Maybe switching carriers would help. Just my opinion.
-Ken

if you're not satisfied..then go get yourself an iPhone.....end of thread..

well one reason i was upset is with the diamond i had about 4 hours to 5 hours with the phone, sleep or active. I then learned about rooting the phone and i installed a rom that fixed that problem. so my guess was it was some type of scripting error that the companies just never got around to fixing. And i live in AZ, sprint and verizon have the best coverage, the rest suck out here so i wouldnt consider any of them.

What kind of battery problem are you having with the hero? I can easily get through the day on a charge most of the time.
And even when I can't, keeping a second usb cable at my office so I can plug in there every now and then isn't a big deal. I consider it more than a fair trade-off for being able to carry that much computing power in my pocket.
It wasn't all that many years ago that I owned a desktop computer that had a slower processor, less ram, less storage, crappier screen and MUCH slower internet access than what my hero has.
I really don't understand why so many people ***** about "only" one day of battery life. What's so freakin' inconvenient about having your phone plugged in while you sleep?
Hell, when I carried a Treo 650 I had to have my phone plus two spare batteries fully charged when I left the house in the morning if I expected to get through just to the end of the workday. Didn't really bother me, it's just the trade-off I had to make to have the capabilities that it gave me.
It's just basic physics. More processing power uses more electricity. More functionality means that processing power is being utilized even when you're not using the phone. That also costs electricity. Larger screen, you guessed it, needs more electricity. And yet people still demand that their phones be slim and sexy.
You want a phone that does all this cool ****? Well, then be prepared to plug it in every once in awhile. If they made these things with the ability to go 17 days between charges they'd have to be the size of a phone book to accomodate the battery.

someonenewhere said:
if you're not satisfied..then go get yourself an iPhone.....end of thread..
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No reason to be short, I am glad to hear others opinions on Sprint and HTC in general.
On another note, I could never be more satisfied with my phone, rom, battery life, stability, coverage, and rate plan.
Except Im switching to Evo. Lol!

This shows the value and worth of the developer forum. If it had not have been for the developer forums I would have stopped getting smartphones a long time ago.

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Find me one that says "would you like CHEESE with that WHINE?" Lol
Btah
Im sorry experience is so horrible. I dont reccomend an iphone, however, perhaps live with it until Evo or N1? Im quite sure whatever phone you chose will have as many bad reports as good. Keep your chin up kid, this is Android!

well with the hero i had alright battery life, i would get 8 hours to 10 hours until i rooted and switched to the roms which get me a days worth and that is more than enough for me. And i am glad opinions can be shot down with a "purchase the iphone," seems like anyones solution to anything is an iphone

ruben8448 said:
well with the hero i had alright battery life, i would get 8 hours to 10 hours until i rooted and switched to the roms which get me a days worth and that is more than enough for me. And i am glad opinions can be shot down with a "purchase the iphone," seems like anyones solution to anything is an iphone
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My friend, opinions can only be shot down if you let them. Dont feed those trolls, theyll evwntually go away.
Like I said, im sorry to hear your experience has been so bad, but I doubt youll find better.
Besides, the Hero is the hottest topic at any dinner table, with just the name alone.
"what kind of phone do you have?"
"oh, this old thing? this is the HERO!"

ruben8448 said:
well with the hero i had alright battery life, i would get 8 hours to 10 hours until i rooted and switched to the roms which get me a days worth and that is more than enough for me. And i am glad opinions can be shot down with a "purchase the iphone," seems like anyones solution to anything is an iphone
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iphone isn't a bad device, it's popular for a reason. It just wasn't for me. I've generally had good experiences with my hero. Mostly because of xda and a lot of my own work on roms. Android really is an excellent operating platform.

ruben8448 said:
seems like anyones solution to anything is an iphone
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Well, to be fair, it is what everything seems to get compared to.
In all honesty after having carried one for two years, I have to say it's a great phone for its target audience. It's a reasonably capable smartphone that "just works". For non-geeks who want a phone that does all the "cool stuff", I think it's a good fit.
For people like me and the others who seek out forums like this one, it's just about the most frustrating damn phone in the world, though. It sucks having all that processing power in your fingertips but not being able to utilize it fully because Apple has the iPhone ecosystem locked down so tight. Not to mention that if I wanted to write my own software for it, I had to go out and buy a Mac! I had my first basic Android app loaded and running on my hero the same night I brought it home.
As far as your frustration with Sprint and HTC being slow with updates.... Just throw a 2.1 rom from this forum on it and stop worrying. I'm running DamageControl on mine, and I can honestly say I'm not the least bit interested in the official 2.1 update from sprint. There's nothing interesting even rumored to be in it that I don't already have.

Thanks, trust me, i love the hero. And i love XDA, i enjoy coming on this website to find what cool new roms are out and testing them. I think that the EVO may be an even better dinner table discussion, i can picture it now, "hey, is that an HDMI cable input?" "Oh this old thing, yea it is" haha

ruben8448 said:
Thanks, trust me, i love the hero. And i love XDA, i enjoy coming on this website to find what cool new roms are out and testing them. I think that the EVO may be an even better dinner table discussion, i can picture it now, "hey, is that an HDMI cable input?" "Oh this old thing, yea it is" haha
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Lololololololol x1000000000000000000
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Well first I am sure Sprint is trying to work with HTC to fix all the bugs in 2.1. Other phones like Motorola Droid do not come with the sense UI, so HTC needs to have time to incorporate that. I am sure the original date may have been March 23, but like everyone knows some deadlines cant be met. We are not even supposed to know it was to be released that day or April 9. Someone leaks this information and that causes all the problems. Most of the time they dont even know a release date until all the beta testing is done. Stop paying attention to the dates people post. Plus if Sprint released this with bugs everyone would complain. i know one time with the HTC Touch Pro sprint released a ROM early and had to recall it. I dont think they want to do that sort of thing again.
For battery life, get an extended battery. The Sprint Hero uses the same has the HTC TP2 battery and they have a 2000mah battery that is the same size as stock for like $10 and its 500mah more.
As for technology, once you buy the Evo, it will be outdated just like the Hero. Thats part of technology life. be happy if you get 6 month out of your device before there is a better replacement.

subliminalurge said:
Well, to be fair, it is what everything seems to get compared to.
In all honesty after having carried one for two years, I have to say it's a great phone for its target audience. It's a reasonably capable smartphone that "just works". For non-geeks who want a phone that does all the "cool stuff", I think it's a good fit.
For people like me and the others who seek out forums like this one, it's just about the most frustrating damn phone in the world, though. It sucks having all that processing power in your fingertips but not being able to utilize it fully because Apple has the iPhone ecosystem locked down so tight. Not to mention that if I wanted to write my own software for it, I had to go out and buy a Mac! I had my first basic Android app loaded and running on my hero the same night I brought it home.
As far as your frustration with Sprint and HTC being slow with updates.... Just throw a 2.1 rom from this forum on it and stop worrying. I'm running DamageControl on mine, and I can honestly say I'm not the least bit interested in the official 2.1 update from sprint. There's nothing interesting even rumored to be in it that I don't already have.
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Amen. The only way to beat open scource, is to have created the open scource (google, thaose bastards!)
I am apparently the only one without the google sign in error on dcv1...get me my constant trackball, and ill take off and never come back!
..........until evo is released.
Who will chant it with me? C'mon, lemme hear it!
Snapdragon!
Snapdragon!
Snapdragon!
Snap...no one?
-1

dwertz said:
be happy if you get 6 month out of your device before there is a better replacement.
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6 months?
I've had my hero for just over 2 weeks now, and in that time it's been officially announced that the N1 and EVO are on their way to Sprint.
I couldn't wait any longer, though. My wife and I have been doing without cell phones for awhile since we moved to a new town. I now live a 5 mile drive from even the slightest hint of an AT&T signal, not a good deal for our iPhones. I've been holding out to see what got announced this spring, but nobody was saying anything and impatience finally got the better of me and I decided the Hero would be "just fine". (Which worked out, because none of the announced phones will be on the shelf soon enough that I could have waited anyway.)

dwertz said:
Well first I am sure Sprint is trying to work with HTC to fix all the bugs in 2.1. Other phones like Motorola Droid do not come with the sense UI, so HTC needs to have time to incorporate that. I am sure the original date may have been March 23, but like everyone knows some deadlines cant be met. We are not even supposed to know it was to be released that day or April 9. Someone leaks this information and that causes all the problems. Most of the time they dont even know a release date until all the beta testing is done. Stop paying attention to the dates people post. Plus if Sprint released this with bugs everyone would complain. i know one time with the HTC Touch Pro sprint released a ROM early and had to recall it. I dont think they want to do that sort of thing again.
For battery life, get an extended battery. The Sprint Hero uses the same has the HTC TP2 battery and they have a 2000mah battery that is the same size as stock for like $10 and its 500mah more.
As for technology, once you buy the Evo, it will be outdated just like the Hero. Thats part of technology life. be happy if you get 6 month out of your device before there is a better replacement.
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Tenlettersandanother"+1"

new epics will come with 2.2 froyo

http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SPH-D700ZKASPR this is what samsung has now on their website about the Epic and it definately didnt say 2.2 in the past cause im on that website on a regular, so i guess if u got yours within the last 30 days return it get a new one and you will have 2.2.. and i guess this means all of us who bought it since day one will have to wait .

cts627 said:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SPH-D700ZKASPR this is what samsung has now on their website about the Epic and it definately didnt say 2.2 in the past cause im on that website on a regular, so i guess if u got yours within the last 30 days return it get a new one and you will have 2.2.. and i guess this means all of us who bought it since day one will have to wait .
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Seriously? You're going to actually read anything on there and believe it? Look at all of the reviews for the phone. They are ALL from September. If they posted recent comments and reviews I don't think it would look very good and it definitely wouldn't have the 4 and 5 stars that they all have on there now. That whole site is just marketing propaganda.

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Seriously? You're going to actually read anything on there and believe it? Look at all of the reviews for the phone. They are ALL from September. If they posted recent comments and reviews I don't think it would look very good and it definitely wouldn't have the 4 and 5 stars that they all have on there now. That whole site is just marketing propaganda.
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The reviews at the bottom are from 2 days ago0_0 Wtf

http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SPH-D700ZKASPR-features

I EnFamouz I said:
The reviews at the bottom are from 2 days ago0_0 Wtf
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Click on the "See All Reviews" button. http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SPH-D700ZKASPR-reviews
Pretty much everything in there is from September. I'm calling BS on the whole review thing on their site.

well actually if u visited the site b4 u would notice that the whole epic info is new the layout and everything have been updated, samsung does update their website very often. and the reviews are current

so why change the layout and update the page with the new OS 2.2 what diff does it make when the reviews were ?

LOL OS 2.2 the people working on 2.2 are probably laughing thier as$es off everyday to theese threads here while lighing up some gud .....O_O

I was actually there earlier today and it has been updated in the last several hours.

I had made a comment on the samsung website about a month ago and gave the epic hardware gowing reviews but panned the support for froyo. They removed my post and gave me some bs line in their email to me. I stopped visiting their site after that. Utter bs

They reference GPRS/EDGE/HSPDA and 16GB ROM/512RAM - if it doesn't have that right, not surprising it has 2.2 instead of 2.1.

I think it's funny that the pictures of the phone are with 2.1

What's even funnier is that the print says 2.2, but one of the images has a 2.1 number as part of the image. Makes me wonder if someone hacked their site just to **** with them. :-D
Sent from hell...

whats even funnier is if you go to a best buy tomorrow you will see all the new epics have froyo

Re: Android 2.2 update...Check out this BS. .I was at a suburban Chicago SPRINT store 2 hours ago to get a family phone repaired. While there, I checked the DEMO Epic on display and noticed that it was running FROYO 2.2. The salesman said that the latest batch of Epics they received just before Christmas all arrived with Froyo 2.2 pre-installed. He then went on rant about the damage being caused by the fake FROYO's that people are downloading from various non-Sprint websites. I assured him that I'm patient and will wait. He didn't say directly that Sprint is dragging their feet on sending Froyo out to our phones, but that's the conclusion I arrived at after talking with him for awhile.
So..bottom the line is, Froyo is ready for Epic, and Epic is ready for Froyo. Now, the ball is in Sprint's court. Perhaps it could be some type of bandwidth issue that's causing the delay. Does Sprint own its own network, or does it have to buy or rent time/bandwidth from some other carrier in order to get FROYO out to us? Why the heck doesn't Sprint simply put a link to the update here in the Epic Support section of Sprint.com? Doing the update via USB isn't something that could cause the average person to ***** up their phone is it? For that matter, Sprint could just put the FROYO Update in the SPRINT section of the Android Market and let us download/install it the way we do every other program. Perhaps this whole FROYO saga (that's turning into a fiasco) is as simple as Sprint Corporate not being run by people who are in touch with the needs of the customer after the sale is made. Have a safe and happy start to 2011 everyone!
-Allen in Chicago

cts627 said:
Re: Android 2.2 update...Check out this BS. .I was at a suburban Chicago SPRINT store 2 hours ago to get a family phone repaired. While there, I checked the DEMO Epic on display and noticed that it was running FROYO 2.2. The salesman said that the latest batch of Epics they received just before Christmas all arrived with Froyo 2.2 pre-installed. He then went on rant about the damage being caused by the fake FROYO's that people are downloading from various non-Sprint websites. I assured him that I'm patient and will wait. He didn't say directly that Sprint is dragging their feet on sending Froyo out to our phones, but that's the conclusion I arrived at after talking with him for awhile.
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Wait I misunderstand, did the display run DK28? or a newer build of Froyo?
Though if new batches came in with froyo I would think someone would leak it by now...anyways I guess we will know more on the 29th when the new playbook hits..

cts627 said:
Re: Android 2.2 update...Check out this BS. .I was at a suburban Chicago SPRINT store 2 hours ago to get a family phone repaired. While there, I checked the DEMO Epic on display and noticed that it was running FROYO 2.2. The salesman said that the latest batch of Epics they received just before Christmas all arrived with Froyo 2.2 pre-installed. He then went on rant about the damage being caused by the fake FROYO's that people are downloading from various non-Sprint websites. I assured him that I'm patient and will wait. He didn't say directly that Sprint is dragging their feet on sending Froyo out to our phones, but that's the conclusion I arrived at after talking with him for awhile.
So..bottom the line is, Froyo is ready for Epic, and Epic is ready for Froyo. Now, the ball is in Sprint's court. Perhaps it could be some type of bandwidth issue that's causing the delay. Does Sprint own its own network, or does it have to buy or rent time/bandwidth from some other carrier in order to get FROYO out to us? Why the heck doesn't Sprint simply put a link to the update here in the Epic Support section of Sprint.com? Doing the update via USB isn't something that could cause the average person to ***** up their phone is it? For that matter, Sprint could just put the FROYO Update in the SPRINT section of the Android Market and let us download/install it the way we do every other program. Perhaps this whole FROYO saga (that's turning into a fiasco) is as simple as Sprint Corporate not being run by people who are in touch with the needs of the customer after the sale is made. Have a safe and happy start to 2011 everyone!
-Allen in Chicago
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So if i can manage to switch my epic at the sprint store, iI have a strong possibility of having that froyo 2.2. But not sure if i can do that since i got my phone from amazon. And if i could, i need to figure out how i can get the build downloadable to the rest of the community. Im pretty sure that would be easy, ill just have to research a little more. How would i go about getting the source code for that new epic? hmmm. I'm pretty sure its some guys thats way smarter that can just play with the phone in the store and get what we need. Let me stop rambling and just wait lol.

Ok ill bite. We want proof, go to that store and shoot video showing android 2.2 on it then wll believe. As for the web site isn't it kind a false advertising. We ask know froyo isn't out yet. Out would seem that the dec 26 was the date but SOMEONE is holding it back. Again the epic if the last samsung phone I will ever buy!
Sent from my rooted official unofficial froyo because samsung and sprints takes too long SPH-D700 using XDA App

It is easier to ship a device with froyo rather than updating to it from a previous version and not only that they have to configure to go from dg27 to 2.2.1 which might be their snag in releasing the ota. as dumb as it sounds there is still like 30% of epic users still on dg27. sprint has had froyo for 3 months now officially so it is all their fault not sammy............ but sprint is still the best carrier even with their lack of support cuz all carriers lack in supporting phones because its the next phone that they have their money and mind on. just like video games lol.

cts627 said:
Re: Android 2.2 update...Check out this BS. .I was at a suburban Chicago SPRINT store 2 hours ago to get a family phone repaired. While there, I checked the DEMO Epic on display and noticed that it was running FROYO 2.2. The salesman said that the latest batch of Epics they received just before Christmas all arrived with Froyo 2.2 pre-installed. He then went on rant about the damage being caused by the fake FROYO's that people are downloading from various non-Sprint websites. I assured him that I'm patient and will wait. He didn't say directly that Sprint is dragging their feet on sending Froyo out to our phones, but that's the conclusion I arrived at after talking with him for awhile.
So..bottom the line is, Froyo is ready for Epic, and Epic is ready for Froyo. Now, the ball is in Sprint's court. Perhaps it could be some type of bandwidth issue that's causing the delay. Does Sprint own its own network, or does it have to buy or rent time/bandwidth from some other carrier in order to get FROYO out to us? Why the heck doesn't Sprint simply put a link to the update here in the Epic Support section of Sprint.com? Doing the update via USB isn't something that could cause the average person to ***** up their phone is it? For that matter, Sprint could just put the FROYO Update in the SPRINT section of the Android Market and let us download/install it the way we do every other program. Perhaps this whole FROYO saga (that's turning into a fiasco) is as simple as Sprint Corporate not being run by people who are in touch with the needs of the customer after the sale is made. Have a safe and happy start to 2011 everyone!
-Allen in Chicago
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SONY should return our money back

SONY should return our money back
I dont want to get stuck with X10(no Froyo or next versions) for SGD 1088/.
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For the 1st time i m just pissed off with SONY

When did SE ever say they were updating beyond 2.1 when you bought your phone? They even told us that there was no multi-touch because of hardware constraints when we bought our phones, but they went out of their way to bring it to us anyways. We bought this device already behind the Android curve with 1.6, but now you expect it to have the newest version??? If you feel entitled to continuous updates, you must not have been around the past 20 years of the technology revolution. This is how it works. We have to pay for the research and development of new technology. If you don't want to buy something, just to have something better from the same manufacturer come out around the corner, then you either need to not buy anything or wait 10 years until the technology is not in its infant stage of development. The Xperia is nearing the end of its lifecycle, so this is to be expected. Did you complain to Microsoft when Windows 7 came out and you didn't get your pc upgraded for free?

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The Xperia is nearing the end of its lifecycle, so this is to be expected.
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Please stop spreading such silly quotes. The X10 was first shown in November of 2009. It was released in 2010 around March. It is nowhere near the end of it's life cycle. Besides, that's a horrible excuse on Sony's part.

xperiax10.awesome said:
SONY should return our money back
I dont want to get stuck with X10(no Froyo or next versions) for SGD 1088/.
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For the 1st time i m just pissed off with SONY
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to start with, it is NOT Sony....it is Sony Ericsson. Completely different. Secondly, they never promised anything above 2.1. Thirdly, we are a very small part of the user base for the x10 handset. the vast majority of x10 users do not even know of xda developers let alone how to install the xrecovery menu or flash 2.2.1 beta onto their handset - let alone care. Sony Ericsson are all about selling handsets and appeasing the market.
we are **** out of luck.
For me, its time to leave SE behind and jump ship to a manufacturer that is actually interested in supporting the modding community, instead of one that actively tries to block it.

ok, im sorry, im getting sick of these "I effin hate sony" threads.
so i am finally going to put my .02 in.
first of all, is this the only thing you have ever bought in your life? how many purchases do you make in a week that you can step back and say, man this is awesome im so glad i bought this, this will be perfect for years to come.
exactly, none, have you ever bought a phone/pda that was perfect that would last you forever? and if so why did you buy the X10 if you were so perfectly happy?
i just dont understand how people can buy a $500 device, that in all honesty DOES impress, and DOES what its supposed to do pretty god damned well, and still freakin complain that 9 months later theres better technology out there.....SHEESH! welcome to life people! you can never have the "best" of something for more than a week. there will always be something "better" or "newer".
so i just bought new tires for my dodge ram, they cost hella lot more than my x10, so i guess i should go to my local tire store again in 9 months and whine about how my 9 month old tires dont look brand new anymore right?
come on man seriously, if you think sony lied to you or you hate this device so bad, freakin sell it buy an ifail 4 and leave us the fack alone. because im sure im not the only one here who's getting sick of the same lame "eff sony!!" bullishhh.
/vote kick op
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xperiax10.awesome said:
SONY should return our money back
I dont want to get stuck with X10(no Froyo or next versions) for SGD 1088/.
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For the 1st time i m just pissed off with SONY
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my god will this ever end! This is why I hardly come on here and post anymore. Every thread turns into some kind of SE bashing nonsense. I said it before...they said they would give us 2.x and they did...thats not good enough now people want 2.2/2.3. They shouldn't give us our money back because they have delivered what they said they would. They NEVER said we would get froyo or above. We will get some more updates for the X10 before it EOL. And if froyo or gingerbread are not part of it...im totally cool with that.

Agree
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my god will this ever end! This is why I hardly come on here and post anymore. Every thread turns into some kind of SE bashing nonsense. I said it before...they said they would give us 2.x and they did...thats not good enough now people want 2.2/2.3. They shouldn't give us our money back because they have delivered what they said they would. They NEVER said we would get froyo or above. We will get some more updates for the X10 before it EOL. And if froyo or gingerbread are not part of it...im totally cool with that.
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+1 to my fellow well spoken albertan

xperiax10.awesome said:
SONY should return our money back
I dont want to get stuck with X10(no Froyo or next versions) for SGD 1088/.
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For the 1st time i m just pissed off with SONY
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As a fellow Singaporean, I'm ashamed that you are making a fool out of yourself here.
Let me get this fact straight -
The initial promise to upgrade WAS because they could not churn out a 2.0 or higher OS and sold us 1.6 instead, so they had to promise us an upgrade.
Being said by an upgrade, there already were hints that it would be 2.1, despite the hordes of kids around the world whining and setting up petitions for 2.2.
This news was all over the net last year. A promised 2.1.
But after that, people got greedy and asked for further upgrades. There WERE lots of topics with people being delusional trying to give themselves hope about having further upgrades.
Some even went ahead and emailed Sony Ericsson, already with replies that "there are no plans of further upgrades" and such, but still, they still maintained in delusion.
you think your $1,088 can last them for 2 years? It's barely 1 month's worth of pay for 1 staff. If they don't come up with new phones with better OS to entice you to buy them, they might close down their company since you won't spend another $1,088 on them for the next 2 years.
If you want a solution to this, fine. Email to them and tell them you don't mind paying them for receiving upgrades. In this case, I'm sure they will churn out a 2.2 exclusively for you.

What I don't get is, why do they have to feed us such bullsh*t about why we aren't getting any more android updates? There's no way they can claim that their ROM is better than vanilla 2.2. Sure, it has a few features that aren't found in stock 2.2, but there's a reason google released 2.2. And there is a reason more than 50% of the current android phones are running on 2.2. We, on the other hand, are stuck on a version of android that was announced before the phone launched. (or around the same time)
I have no problem with no further android os updates, since we can just flash 2.2 roms and soon 2.3. But please, don't give us that nonsense about 'no drastic change in user experience'. Let them admit that they are too lazy to go back and redo Timescape and Mediascape for 2.2 and I'll be happy.
Having said that, I was a happy X10 user until this morning. Now I just feel like an ass for defending my phone against all my friends who have already got 2.2 long ago on their phones and they taunt me with voice actions and flash

xperiax10.awesome said:
SONY should return our money back
I dont want to get stuck with X10(no Froyo or next versions) for SGD 1088/.
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For the 1st time i m just pissed off with SONY
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I saw it when it was 1st released at SGD$1088...
IMO, no phones are worth more than SGD$700.

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like little boys comparing the size of their dicks behine the shed. My disck bigger than yours. Grow up

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like little boys comparing the size of their dicks behine the shed. My disck bigger than yours. Grow up
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Keep your dicks to yourself. We are talking about phones here. While I don't agree with the OP about returning money..(seriously..lmao) SE should give us a better explanation..

They should do smthing like iPhone..ppl are getting iPhone4 for iPhone 3GS..(those on contract)
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Keep your dicks to yourself. We are talking about phones here. While I don't agree with the OP about returning money..(seriously..lmao) SE should give us a better explanation..
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wow, seriously.
everyone should know by now that any tech item you buy, is out dated a few weeks after it's released.
and WHAT IF SE miraculously gives us 2.2, or even 2.3? when 2.4 comes out, are we to complain again?
my x10 came free as an upgrade with my contract. it had 1.6, and att x10's still don't have a native 2.1 upgrade. but again, it's a free phone (yes, i understand that the phone is eventually paid for throughout the contract in some ways).
unless you plan on purchasing a new device every month, don't expect to always have something that is running the latest and greatest. SE would lose money and shut down if they put 100% of their time and effort into 1 device and not into developing new devices. you can't expect SE to update the phone for as long as you decide to keep it.
seriously, why in the hell couldn't commodore release a windows 7 upgrade for the commodore 64?

I'm quite happy, as long as they sort out audio glitches, which I'm sure they will, remember the 0.4 second audio sync problem with video playback?
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I agree to the first thread . The phone is and was to much expensive.
The Hardware in the phone is great, but the service from SE is realy bad ...
I dont think that i will buy a SE phone again.
Launcherpro plus is much! better than the SE Launcher wich is not smooth and lagging ...
The Moxier stuff on the phone sucks and a needed to install 3rd party apps ...
And the Android Version is not up to Date what i would expect for this price ..

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Keep your dicks to yourself. We are talking about phones here. While I don't agree with the OP about returning money..(seriously..lmao) SE should give us a better explanation..
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They really SHOULD give us a better reason. Even lesser phones are getting froyo now, why doesn't this so-called superphone get it too?

Getting Old? Yes. Amusing? Slightly. Annoying? Hell yes

I just have to say, who does sprint feel like they're PR'ing?! I mean really? Cut/Paste + PR =\= happy customers
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Epic is as Epic does (in some some cases, does not)

I found it quite interesting that the T-Mo exec came out and admitted they'd had Froyo from Samsung since late November and they'd dropped the ball on adding their crapola to it. Makes me wonder if Sprint has had it that long as well and has just been dicking around all this time.. almost makes perfect sense with their lack of advertising/acknowledging of the Epic.

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I found it quite interesting that the T-Mo exec came out and admitted they'd had Froyo from Samsung since late November and they'd dropped the ball on adding their crapola to it. Makes me wonder if Sprint has had it that long as well and has just been dicking around all this time.. almost makes perfect sense with their lack of advertising/acknowledging of the Epic.
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I haven't read that yet, but if the T-mo exec came out and said legitimately said that, well KUDOS to them. That is awesome. It would be nice of these other companies were as transparent, although they have all been too quiet for too long.

We all know that the carriers have had it since November. Samsung created a rom based on 2.2 and delivered to carriers in november. Then Z4root came out and was published to the market, allowing anyone running 2.2 to root their phone ridiculously easily. Instead of releasing this update to the public and allowing them to root their phones easily, the carriers told Samsung to go back to the drawing board with 2.2.1, which was the update that Google made to Froyo to specifically combat Z4root. Since November, that is what Samsung has been working on.
At least this is what I gather from all of the information I have read. It makes perfect sense. Its like a perfect storm for the Galaxy S users in the US. Samsung had to basically push out 2 updates to the carriers back to back while the users sit there and think Samsung is still working on the original.

Personally I think it's a matter of too many hands in the cookie jar. I heard from the Denver District Sprint mgr (we're dating) that they've had it since Nov and there are conflicts between sprint id and tw, but samsung won't allow sprint to do anything w/ tw and so Sprint is basically saying "well we won't have our sprint ID, making us money, so we're not releasing it until sprint id works correctly" and sammy says "not touching tw!" And so here we are ... stuck. 2.2 on epic = nukem 4?
(As a side note, nukem 4 is/was released... lol...)
Epic is as Epic does

yet another reason then to just STOP ADDING STUPID CRAP AND LET GOOGLE INNOVATE.

That's disheartening because I want NOTHING to do with sprint id, and I seriously doubt anyone else does either (I've heard nothing but bad things).
Even more troubling...I'm also fairly certain that yes, we will see froyo and eventually gbread...but the only way for sprint to do this is with some extreme bloatware..I can only imagine the end-user horror of modifying touchwiz without actually modifying touchwiz. And that is exactly what adding sprint id would do. So yes, I really do believe the sprint tweet that they're working on it but it needs to pass testing. And I'm also willing to bet my last dollar that their version of touchwiz with sprint id is failing the tests horribly. It kind of all makes sense. Because sprint can't afford to lose much money, so not releasing a bad froyo (ala canadian galaxy s) is an upmost priority.
Which leads me to three feelings.
1. I have to admit its encouraging to see them put a lot of value into quality testing.
2. Reallllllllly reinforces my wanting of carriers to just say fuk the bloatware and give me aosp.
3. And this ones just evil. Just release the faulty software already at the expense of the common user, simply so the devs can get their hands on it and get rid of the crap so I can finally have a bug free froyo.
Humans are selfish after all.
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AndrewZorn said:
yet another reason then to just STOP ADDING STUPID CRAP AND LET GOOGLE INNOVATE.
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So google is going to write hardware drivers for hundreds of different devices?

Touchwiz isn't a hardware driver though.
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ansong said:
Touchwiz isn't a hardware driver though.
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You literally think that Samsung has been spending the last 6 months porting Touchwiz to Froyo?
Who writes the drivers for:
display
radio
4g
bluetooth
GPS
etc, etc, etc
Do you know how many different chips and combinations of chips there are that accomplish these various tasks and the multitude of drivers needed to allow the various Android OS' communicate with the hardware? I think its a common misconception that Google just releases an OS that can instantly run on every Android device. Its the same as installing Windows XP on a computer. Sure, it will boot, but your ethernet, graphics card, wifi, etc wont work because there are no drivers.

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You literally think that Samsung has been spending the last 6 months porting Touchwiz to Froyo?
Who writes the drivers for:
display
radio
4g
bluetooth
GPS
etc, etc, etc
Do you know how many different chips and combinations of chips there are that accomplish these various tasks and the multitude of drivers needed to allow the various Android OS' communicate with the hardware? I think its a common misconception that Google just releases an OS that can instantly run on every Android device. Its the same as installing Windows XP on a computer. Sure, it will boot, but your ethernet, graphics card, wifi, etc wont work because there are no drivers.
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I believe what they meant was that Samsung is too concerned with keeping tw launcher and Sprint is too concerned with integrating their stupid Sprint ID feature. Give us Vanilla Android and save the end user some trouble.
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rygran87 said:
I believe what they meant was that Samsung is too concerned with keeping tw launcher and Sprint is too concerned with integrating their stupid Sprint ID feature. Give us Vanilla Android and save the end user some trouble.
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I agree, but even if they did that, its not like we are going to be seeing updates a lot quicker. They still need to either create new drivers or update the ones they are currently using to be completely stable with the new OS. Sure it will shave a little time off of the release not messing around with Sprint ID and TW, which i would love, but they still have to develop drivers.

The final update will not have sprint id. If it were going to have it, I.d. would have been in one of the leaked betas...
Also, whosdaman said it won't either. He's been spot on since launch.
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austin420 said:
The final update will not have sprint id. If it were going to have it, I.d. would have been in one of the leaked betas...
Also, whosdaman said it won't either. He's been spot on since launch.
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I disagree. To me it would make much more sense that sprint would get everything else in 2.2 done and working before messing with sprint id. So just because you didn't see it in a leak, IMO that's not indicative of us not getting sprint id, because I believe they would save it for last.
And don't get me wrong, whosdamans daman. But he prbly doesn't work for sprint. So I'm not gonna jump up and take his word for it.
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acually whosdaman does work for sprint, but i digress. sprtint id will not be in any release. why would they not inclulde it until the end if they are trying to get it to work right?
thats like mcdonalds saying "ok, weve been working on this new hamburger, and its really tasty just how it is, so as you cook it, pour a ****load of salt on it and ruin it.
of course if sprint id was going to be included it would have been included in the betas.

Why is everyonnneeee freaking out??? Gosh does no one here have heart for any of these developers? Look, once its released, who cares about all the added crap because the split second its released, there will be instantly new roms/kernals based off the new froyo (and even could be 2.3 Gingerbread) and will have major new tweaks available for these wonderful developers to get their hands on. Just wait... and stop flaming Sprint because without them we wouldn't even have the Epic to play with right now. I work for customer care and you don't realize how many people don't even KNOW about roms or tweaking. Epics are amazing, and incredibly fast regardless, be lucky that you even have one! And that you have amazing developers here giving u even the opportunity to play with 2.2 before the official release. I wouldn't even be surprised that these developers could port over 2.3 before sprint even releases there's lol.
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aikonix said:
Why is everyonnneeee freaking out??? Gosh does no one here have heart for any of these developers? Look, once its released, who cares about all the added crap because the split second its released, there will be instantly new roms/kernals based off the new froyo (and even could be 2.3 Gingerbread) and will have major new tweaks available for these wonderful developers to get their hands on. Just wait... and stop flaming Sprint because without them we wouldn't even have the Epic to play with right now.
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We each pay Sprint over $1000 a year. No thanks.

Jayavarman said:
We each pay Sprint over $1000 a year. No thanks.
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Amen brother
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Jayavarman said:
We each pay Sprint over $1000 a year. No thanks.
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I don't. I have a SERO plan. Whoomp whoomp!

jprocha101 said:
I don't. I have a SERO plan. Whoomp whoomp!
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I'm curious, what does the cheapest version of the SERO plan come out to for the Epic (in real, this is what gets charged on my credit card, money)?
My bill that just came due is $87.84 with an 18% employer discount applied to the base 69.99 plan. That does include a $4.99 monthly "no I won't let you take the money out of my bank account without me pressing a button" charge.

Google stepping up/fragmentation

I like my EVO very much, best device that I had and last me more then any other phone in the market(besides iPhone) and there is one thing the bugs the hell out of me tho and is fragmentation, specially this week, we got another EVO, epic and a shift 4G(all good phones btw) in our family but since I rooted mine and I was running cm7 and the stock Evo has sense so I forgot how different they are when you use them, trying to explain something was a pain in the butt so I have to flash a sense rom to give them the right direction(person the got the EVO came from blackberry and he was lost of what to do) , well after that I'm at work and someone had a mytouch (original) and still diference , the worse part is the moto, Sammy and HTC all use different layout in buttons! Why don't they have a set up one for all Google devices? ?? I mean the EVO makes more sense to me but for my friend thinks the epic does, this is something the Google should have control from the beggining, like I said I love Android but some stuff needs to changed
I have an iPhone3GS as well and if a iPhone 4 user asked me about settings or set ups is the same but if someone ask me how to use the mail app in HTC EVO with sense is different from the email app he aosp roms come with, I know how to do it no problem for me but a lot new comers are having problem with this kind of problems . I help that much the I can
And lets no talk about updates to new version cause that's another crazy topic, man the hero got 2.1 after almost 6 months and that was it, the epic (power phone) got official froyo 6 months later, and all those little android devices lmade by LG, Samsung, etc will probably never get froyo or gingerbread .
Anyways Gizmodo just published this article about Android fragmentation and it looks like finally Google will work on it
http://m.gizmodo.com/5787565/google-finally-fights-back-against-android-fragmentation
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Man I hope so.
I have no problems with putting a "skin" over top of android, but, it HAS to be a limit. This is a prefect way for Google to slap back at the companies that are or are getting ready to lock their phones down (HTC! ><).
It is definitely getting out of hand and needs to be put in check for the sake of Android.

Rippley05 said:
Man I hope so.
I have no problems with putting a "skin" over top of android, but, it HAS to be a limit. This is a prefect way for Google to slap back at the companies that are or are getting ready to lock their phones down (HTC! ><).
It is definitely getting out of hand and needs to be put in check for the sake of Android.
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The skin is all good but like tethering it should be free for all froyo and all carriers block it, 4G tethering is nice when it works but I do t use it enough to pay so that's one of the reason I rooted
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I don't really see your argument. Yeah fragmentation sucks, but to the average Joe it doesn't mattter. The example you used of your rooted EVO was terrible. Your EVO, had it not been modified by you would look and be exactly the same as your friends brand new EVO.
The majority of people don't even know what version of Android their phone is running. They don't even know there is a new version available until their phone tells them its time to update.
Androids fragmentation has improved greatly with the release of froyo. It becomes a double edged sword when it comes to OEMs having the ability to modify Android. It gives us consumers choice, at the expense of receiving slower updates. The problem is people need to vote with their wallets if they want change. People are voting with their wallets because they are buying phones with motoblur, sense, and touchwiz.
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I don't really see your argument. Yeah fragmentation sucks, but to the average Joe it doesn't mattter. The example you used of your rooted EVO was terrible. Your EVO, had it not been modified by you would look and be exactly the same as your friends brand new EVO.
The majority of people don't even know what version of Android their phone is running. They don't even know there is a new version available until their phone tells them its time to update.
Androids fragmentation has improved greatly with the release of froyo. It becomes a double edged sword when it comes to OEMs having the ability to modify Android. It gives us consumers choice, at the expense of receiving slower updates. The problem is people need to vote with their wallets if they want change. People are voting with their wallets because they are buying phones with motoblur, sense, and touchwiz.
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People are buying phones with motoblur, sense and touchwiz because for the majority.. that's all there is.
Where are the phones with Vanilla Android? Not everyone has access to a Nexus S or even knows what the difference is. That is definitely why Google needs to step in and show what Android really is.
Skins/UI's are fine and choice is always great. It just needs to be done in a cleaner, less bloated way. I really hope google reins it in a little bit..

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I like my EVO very much, best device that I had and last me more then any other phone in the market(besides iPhone) and there is one thing the bugs the hell out of me tho and is fragmentation, specially this week, we got another EVO, epic and a shift 4G(all good phones btw) in our family but since I rooted mine and I was running cm7 and the stock Evo has sense so I forgot how different they are when you use them, trying to explain something was a pain in the butt so I have to flash a sense rom to give them the right direction(person the got the EVO came from blackberry and he was lost of what to do) , well after that I'm at work and someone had a mytouch (original) and still diference , the worse part is the moto, Sammy and HTC all use different layout in buttons! Why don't they have a set up one for all Google devices? ?? I mean the EVO makes more sense to me but for my friend thinks the epic does, this is something the Google should have control from the beggining, like I said I love Android but some stuff needs to changed
I have an iPhone3GS as well and if a iPhone 4 user asked me about settings or set ups is the same but if someone ask me how to use the mail app in HTC EVO with sense is different from the email app he aosp roms come with, I know how to do it no problem for me but a lot new comers are having problem with this kind of problems . I help that much the I can
And lets no talk about updates to new version cause that's another crazy topic, man the hero got 2.1 after almost 6 months and that was it, the epic (power phone) got official froyo 6 months later, and all those little android devices lmade by LG, Samsung, etc will probably never get froyo or gingerbread .
Anyways Gizmodo just published this article about Android fragmentation and it looks like finally Google will work on it
http://m.gizmodo.com/5787565/google-finally-fights-back-against-android-fragmentation
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actually, from home screen, menu button, settings, scroll to accounts/sync enter it in the same way on every phone

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People are voting with their wallets because they are buying phones with motoblur, sense, and touchwiz.
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normally, I would agree with this statement, except this:
MOST people don't choose to go to a carrier because of a phone (or skin on said phone), they already have a carrier they have a relationship with, and get whatever phone the rep says is "the best thing right now", and "hey, it's an android!", without knowing what that really means.
then they often find that the phone they purchased has very little in common with their friends android, diminishing the inclusiveness a shared brand should have. (think iphone) among other things mentioned previously like support, updates, etc.
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Yeah well is just diferrent stuff Guys be open minded on what people wants, I know most here like to work for our phone and I say this cause we flash, modify, and do all sort of crazy stuff and I like it but no everyone is like that some people want something the works for them, a smartphone should help you to make your life easier and replace multiple devices, books and sometimes aagendas and to get this experience right Google needs to step up and make it happen(gingerbread got the copy and paste updated and works better then froyo or eclair) , HTC is clearly the first one going the right direction with sense and then everybody thought they have something better like motoblur and touchwiz and just makes a lot difference for the user using it , Google needs to drive they experience and should make sure manufactures updates their devices the way everyone has the great experience that we (xda users do)
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...MOST people don't choose to go to a carrier because of a phone....
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I agree, except, what about all the zombies that jumped ship to AT&T for the iphone just to have a terrible network and pay too much?

jgalan14 said:
I like my EVO very much, best device that I had and last me more then any other phone in the market(besides iPhone) and there is one thing the bugs the hell out of me tho and is fragmentation, specially this week, we got another EVO, epic and a shift 4G(all good phones btw) in our family but since I rooted mine and I was running cm7 and the stock Evo has sense so I forgot how different they are when you use them, trying to explain something was a pain in the butt so I have to flash a sense rom to give them the right direction(person the got the EVO came from blackberry and he was lost of what to do) , well after that I'm at work and someone had a mytouch (original) and still diference , the worse part is the moto, Sammy and HTC all use different layout in buttons! Why don't they have a set up one for all Google devices? ?? I mean the EVO makes more sense to me but for my friend thinks the epic does, this is something the Google should have control from the beggining, like I said I love Android but some stuff needs to changed
I have an iPhone3GS as well and if a iPhone 4 user asked me about settings or set ups is the same but if someone ask me how to use the mail app in HTC EVO with sense is different from the email app he aosp roms come with, I know how to do it no problem for me but a lot new comers are having problem with this kind of problems . I help that much the I can
And lets no talk about updates to new version cause that's another crazy topic, man the hero got 2.1 after almost 6 months and that was it, the epic (power phone) got official froyo 6 months later, and all those little android devices lmade by LG, Samsung, etc will probably never get froyo or gingerbread .
Anyways Gizmodo just published this article about Android fragmentation and it looks like finally Google will work on it
http://m.gizmodo.com/5787565/google-finally-fights-back-against-android-fragmentation
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I agree, except, what about all the zombies that jumped ship to AT&T for the iphone just to have a terrible network and pay too much?
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Ha ha those are special occasion lmao
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