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My disappointment with Sprint and with HTC

I don't know if this is worthy of a new thread or not, if you guys find it not to be then you can delete it. I just wanted to post this so that i can vent my anger out on Sprint and no one besides you guys at XDA would probably care. I am very upset with Sprint and all of their products that i have so far. I got into the smartphone scene with a palm and i had that for quite a while, things worked great on it. Then i made the switch to the HTC Diamond. I was excited for the phone until i got it. It had a huge battery problem, i would probably get 5 hours most on the phone, and it lagged severely. To me, that is a huge problem so if i were with Sprint and HTC i would have fixed that right away. But, alas sprint is not that kind of company, so they left it. Thanks to the developers, they fixed Sprint and HTCs problem.
I then switched to the HTC Hero, again i was very excited for this phone and i saved for quite a while to purchase it. But again, when i got it i was disappointed. The phone lagged more than i expected and again, there was a battery issue. HTC get the hint already, fix your battery scripting. So i did the most sensible thing, i rooted my phone and upgraded with developer roms because it seems developers care more than Sprint.
Now i sit here waiting for Android 2.1 which sprint promises that they will release. I hear so many dates, first one said it was suppose to be released on March 23 and now i hear April 9th. And to make matters even worse, they are now releasing 2 new phones to their lineup. I am excited for these new phones, the nexus one and the EVO, but what the heck sprint, fix your current problems!
I am very interested in the EVO, from what i read, it is suppose to have quite a few cool things. But, i am not going to let the appearance fool me, this phone seems so powerful that sprint isnt gonna be able to handle it and they will release some great looking phone with a ton of problems, and instead of fixing these problems, they'll probably just try to push another phone on us. The Evo says it will have an 8 megapixel camera, seems impressive but the Hero has a 5 megapixel camera, that honestly, is **** without some tweeking to it. So i think an 8 megapixel camera will probably be the same with no fix from sprint or htc. Next, they promise a great processor, this sounds good but to me it sounds like another phone with 5 hours of battery life. I may be wrong but so far htc's previous products are all the same in this field.
I may just ranting but i really needed to get this out, i still don't know why i stick with sprint and htc, i guess i am loyal and i have faith that one day they will listen to their customers and fix their stuff. I don't know if anyone else feels this way too but this is what i have noticed since i got onboard with htc and sprint.

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haha thats great, thanks i need that, haha. if crying gets things fixed with these companies then i am there.

I would imagine that all smartphone get terrible battery life. They are basically pocket-sized computers. It's not just HTC's. They improved the Hero a ton with the US version compared to the Euro one. Maybe switching to a non-smartphone might be your option? I don't know. I can tell you that with 2.1, our Heroes will have better battery life once we get the update. Because these leaked ROMs already do. Anyways, I don't really think Sprint is the problem with the phone. They are just the carrier minus the few apps they install. Do you live in a spot that has good coverage from Sprint? Because I will tell you this...If you have bad coverage, you won't get good battery life. Maybe switching carriers would help. Just my opinion.
-Ken

if you're not satisfied..then go get yourself an iPhone.....end of thread..

well one reason i was upset is with the diamond i had about 4 hours to 5 hours with the phone, sleep or active. I then learned about rooting the phone and i installed a rom that fixed that problem. so my guess was it was some type of scripting error that the companies just never got around to fixing. And i live in AZ, sprint and verizon have the best coverage, the rest suck out here so i wouldnt consider any of them.

What kind of battery problem are you having with the hero? I can easily get through the day on a charge most of the time.
And even when I can't, keeping a second usb cable at my office so I can plug in there every now and then isn't a big deal. I consider it more than a fair trade-off for being able to carry that much computing power in my pocket.
It wasn't all that many years ago that I owned a desktop computer that had a slower processor, less ram, less storage, crappier screen and MUCH slower internet access than what my hero has.
I really don't understand why so many people ***** about "only" one day of battery life. What's so freakin' inconvenient about having your phone plugged in while you sleep?
Hell, when I carried a Treo 650 I had to have my phone plus two spare batteries fully charged when I left the house in the morning if I expected to get through just to the end of the workday. Didn't really bother me, it's just the trade-off I had to make to have the capabilities that it gave me.
It's just basic physics. More processing power uses more electricity. More functionality means that processing power is being utilized even when you're not using the phone. That also costs electricity. Larger screen, you guessed it, needs more electricity. And yet people still demand that their phones be slim and sexy.
You want a phone that does all this cool ****? Well, then be prepared to plug it in every once in awhile. If they made these things with the ability to go 17 days between charges they'd have to be the size of a phone book to accomodate the battery.

someonenewhere said:
if you're not satisfied..then go get yourself an iPhone.....end of thread..
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No reason to be short, I am glad to hear others opinions on Sprint and HTC in general.
On another note, I could never be more satisfied with my phone, rom, battery life, stability, coverage, and rate plan.
Except Im switching to Evo. Lol!

This shows the value and worth of the developer forum. If it had not have been for the developer forums I would have stopped getting smartphones a long time ago.

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Find me one that says "would you like CHEESE with that WHINE?" Lol
Btah
Im sorry experience is so horrible. I dont reccomend an iphone, however, perhaps live with it until Evo or N1? Im quite sure whatever phone you chose will have as many bad reports as good. Keep your chin up kid, this is Android!

well with the hero i had alright battery life, i would get 8 hours to 10 hours until i rooted and switched to the roms which get me a days worth and that is more than enough for me. And i am glad opinions can be shot down with a "purchase the iphone," seems like anyones solution to anything is an iphone

ruben8448 said:
well with the hero i had alright battery life, i would get 8 hours to 10 hours until i rooted and switched to the roms which get me a days worth and that is more than enough for me. And i am glad opinions can be shot down with a "purchase the iphone," seems like anyones solution to anything is an iphone
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My friend, opinions can only be shot down if you let them. Dont feed those trolls, theyll evwntually go away.
Like I said, im sorry to hear your experience has been so bad, but I doubt youll find better.
Besides, the Hero is the hottest topic at any dinner table, with just the name alone.
"what kind of phone do you have?"
"oh, this old thing? this is the HERO!"

ruben8448 said:
well with the hero i had alright battery life, i would get 8 hours to 10 hours until i rooted and switched to the roms which get me a days worth and that is more than enough for me. And i am glad opinions can be shot down with a "purchase the iphone," seems like anyones solution to anything is an iphone
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iphone isn't a bad device, it's popular for a reason. It just wasn't for me. I've generally had good experiences with my hero. Mostly because of xda and a lot of my own work on roms. Android really is an excellent operating platform.

ruben8448 said:
seems like anyones solution to anything is an iphone
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Well, to be fair, it is what everything seems to get compared to.
In all honesty after having carried one for two years, I have to say it's a great phone for its target audience. It's a reasonably capable smartphone that "just works". For non-geeks who want a phone that does all the "cool stuff", I think it's a good fit.
For people like me and the others who seek out forums like this one, it's just about the most frustrating damn phone in the world, though. It sucks having all that processing power in your fingertips but not being able to utilize it fully because Apple has the iPhone ecosystem locked down so tight. Not to mention that if I wanted to write my own software for it, I had to go out and buy a Mac! I had my first basic Android app loaded and running on my hero the same night I brought it home.
As far as your frustration with Sprint and HTC being slow with updates.... Just throw a 2.1 rom from this forum on it and stop worrying. I'm running DamageControl on mine, and I can honestly say I'm not the least bit interested in the official 2.1 update from sprint. There's nothing interesting even rumored to be in it that I don't already have.

Thanks, trust me, i love the hero. And i love XDA, i enjoy coming on this website to find what cool new roms are out and testing them. I think that the EVO may be an even better dinner table discussion, i can picture it now, "hey, is that an HDMI cable input?" "Oh this old thing, yea it is" haha

ruben8448 said:
Thanks, trust me, i love the hero. And i love XDA, i enjoy coming on this website to find what cool new roms are out and testing them. I think that the EVO may be an even better dinner table discussion, i can picture it now, "hey, is that an HDMI cable input?" "Oh this old thing, yea it is" haha
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Lololololololol x1000000000000000000
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Well first I am sure Sprint is trying to work with HTC to fix all the bugs in 2.1. Other phones like Motorola Droid do not come with the sense UI, so HTC needs to have time to incorporate that. I am sure the original date may have been March 23, but like everyone knows some deadlines cant be met. We are not even supposed to know it was to be released that day or April 9. Someone leaks this information and that causes all the problems. Most of the time they dont even know a release date until all the beta testing is done. Stop paying attention to the dates people post. Plus if Sprint released this with bugs everyone would complain. i know one time with the HTC Touch Pro sprint released a ROM early and had to recall it. I dont think they want to do that sort of thing again.
For battery life, get an extended battery. The Sprint Hero uses the same has the HTC TP2 battery and they have a 2000mah battery that is the same size as stock for like $10 and its 500mah more.
As for technology, once you buy the Evo, it will be outdated just like the Hero. Thats part of technology life. be happy if you get 6 month out of your device before there is a better replacement.

subliminalurge said:
Well, to be fair, it is what everything seems to get compared to.
In all honesty after having carried one for two years, I have to say it's a great phone for its target audience. It's a reasonably capable smartphone that "just works". For non-geeks who want a phone that does all the "cool stuff", I think it's a good fit.
For people like me and the others who seek out forums like this one, it's just about the most frustrating damn phone in the world, though. It sucks having all that processing power in your fingertips but not being able to utilize it fully because Apple has the iPhone ecosystem locked down so tight. Not to mention that if I wanted to write my own software for it, I had to go out and buy a Mac! I had my first basic Android app loaded and running on my hero the same night I brought it home.
As far as your frustration with Sprint and HTC being slow with updates.... Just throw a 2.1 rom from this forum on it and stop worrying. I'm running DamageControl on mine, and I can honestly say I'm not the least bit interested in the official 2.1 update from sprint. There's nothing interesting even rumored to be in it that I don't already have.
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Amen. The only way to beat open scource, is to have created the open scource (google, thaose bastards!)
I am apparently the only one without the google sign in error on dcv1...get me my constant trackball, and ill take off and never come back!
..........until evo is released.
Who will chant it with me? C'mon, lemme hear it!
Snapdragon!
Snapdragon!
Snapdragon!
Snap...no one?
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dwertz said:
be happy if you get 6 month out of your device before there is a better replacement.
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6 months?
I've had my hero for just over 2 weeks now, and in that time it's been officially announced that the N1 and EVO are on their way to Sprint.
I couldn't wait any longer, though. My wife and I have been doing without cell phones for awhile since we moved to a new town. I now live a 5 mile drive from even the slightest hint of an AT&T signal, not a good deal for our iPhones. I've been holding out to see what got announced this spring, but nobody was saying anything and impatience finally got the better of me and I decided the Hero would be "just fine". (Which worked out, because none of the announced phones will be on the shelf soon enough that I could have waited anyway.)

dwertz said:
Well first I am sure Sprint is trying to work with HTC to fix all the bugs in 2.1. Other phones like Motorola Droid do not come with the sense UI, so HTC needs to have time to incorporate that. I am sure the original date may have been March 23, but like everyone knows some deadlines cant be met. We are not even supposed to know it was to be released that day or April 9. Someone leaks this information and that causes all the problems. Most of the time they dont even know a release date until all the beta testing is done. Stop paying attention to the dates people post. Plus if Sprint released this with bugs everyone would complain. i know one time with the HTC Touch Pro sprint released a ROM early and had to recall it. I dont think they want to do that sort of thing again.
For battery life, get an extended battery. The Sprint Hero uses the same has the HTC TP2 battery and they have a 2000mah battery that is the same size as stock for like $10 and its 500mah more.
As for technology, once you buy the Evo, it will be outdated just like the Hero. Thats part of technology life. be happy if you get 6 month out of your device before there is a better replacement.
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The Definitive Android 2.1 Upgrade Chart - Updated With User Interfaces

Alright, like everyone else, I have grown tired of all the complaining about the 2.1 update. Yes, I would love to get my hands on the official update as I feel our 2.1 leak was pretty buggy. The devs have done great with what they have to work with, and I love running 2.1 even with some of the quirks that are inherent to a hacked ROM.
What I don't get is how everyone can be so upset with Sprint. Personally, I am on Sprint because they are cheap, and offer good cell phone service where I live. That's it. If you are upset with your carrier (as I was with my extremely high bills on Verizon) then buy out your contract and go to another carrier. However, don't expect that you will get your magical 2.1 upgrade any sooner with any other carrier.
Do most people realize that there is not a single Android phone for sale in America that has ever been upgraded to 2.1 from 1.5 or 1.6? In fact, there are only three phones that have ever even received an Android OS upgrade at all. The T-Mobile G1 (1.0-1.6), the T-Mobile myTouch 3G (1.5-1.6), and the Motorola Droid (2.0-2.1). That's it people.
For all the people blaming Sprint, HTC, or even Sense for how long it's taking them, look around. The T-Mobile G1 and myTouch3G both came out before the Hero, both run vanilla Andoid, and neither of them have been upgraded to 2.1. Just look at all the phones that are still running 1.5 and 1.6.
Personally, I think it will be hilarious if Sprint is the first carrier in America to upgrade a phone from 1.5 to 2.1. If this upgrade happens soon, this will certainly be the case. I just don't get how people can be so upset that we don't have the official 2.1 yet when there are only three phones that have it (two of which launched with it, and one of which launched with 2.0).
I apologize for making a new thread, but I wanted the chart below to have it's own space, and I didn't want it to get buried in one of the many other 2.1 threads. I believe this chart contains every Android phone available on one of the 4 major carriers in America. I compiled this list using wikipedia, so I didn't verify that it is 100% valid. I listed only phones available in America, and cleaned up the formatting to make it useful. Enjoy.
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I Gotta say that no one should be PO'D at Sprint,HTC or any other company for that matter, Sprint is the Best carrier I've been. Quit whining 2.1 will arrive before you all know it. Shut up root your hero while you still can flash a custom 2.1 rom and be happy. i Know im not gonna to upgrade to the official release. Ill wait to one my fav dev's puts out a 2.1 rom based off the otw upgrade with all fat trimmed off so it runs the way it should. So everybody behave your selves the upgrade from sprint will come no doubt, then you can go back to whining about how laggy and buggy your 2.1 hero is.
As for me Im gonna flash toast's new one fresh-toast 1.1, oh maybe something from damageless, oh hey darchstar's got a new one wow decision, decisions, lol

Thanks for doing this.
This definitively shows that the problem is not with Sprint and that manufacturers seem to have decided that there is no benefit to them whatsoever to supporting existing customers. Google is also failing to get the situation under control.
"Want the latest version of Android? Pay up."
That's what this chart says to me, loud and clear.

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I agree upgrade to the latest EVO 4G anyone
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I agree that people should stop whining about 2.1, it's more annoying than the 2.1 posts.

I guess my personal aggravation is the fact that it seems if you don't have the latest and greatest phone through your carrier's catalog you seem to just be cast in the corner. Was it not just 5 months ago the Hero was the savior and pride and joy of sprint's network and now with the evo on its way it's as if were the red headed child sitting in the corner. I agree that when it comes it comes but I just don't like the feel a company gives when they do something like that. Yes market and pay attention to your new toy but don't forget your loyal followers and their needs when we're locked in to at least 12 months with a phone you just called the greatest thing since the last big hit.

Its always been the same with every OS and every carrier. I remember being wint Windows same thing, these company make the money in the hardware not software therefore it's no business sense to give a great deal of support for older hardware. The truth of the matter is that for companies like HTC, people will continue to purchase the latest, even after all the waiting on the Hero most people will still go out and get the Evo. The only company making great support is Apple.

DR.mobbfigga said:
I Gotta say that no one should be PO'D at Sprint,HTC or any other company for that matter, Sprint is the Best carrier I've been. Quit whining 2.1 will arrive before you all know it. Shut up root your hero while you still can flash a custom 2.1 rom and be happy. i Know im not gonna to upgrade to the official release. Ill wait to one my fav dev's puts out a 2.1 rom based off the otw upgrade with all fat trimmed off so it runs the way it should. So everybody behave your selves the upgrade from sprint will come no doubt, then you can go back to whining about how laggy and buggy your 2.1 hero is.
As for me Im gonna flash toast's new one fresh-toast 1.1, oh maybe something from damageless, oh hey darchstar's got a new one wow decision, decisions, lol
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X2 This is what I think too.

ziggy682 said:
Alright, like everyone else, I have grown tired of all the complaining about the 2.1 update. Yes, I would love to get my hands on the official update as I feel our 2.1 leak was pretty buggy. The devs have done great with what they have to work with, and I love running 2.1 even with some of the quirks that are inherent to a hacked ROM.
What I don't get is how everyone can be so upset with Sprint. Personally, I am on Sprint because they are cheap, and offer good cell phone service where I live. That's it. If you are upset with your carrier (as I was with my extremely high bills on Verizon) then buy out your contract and go to another carrier. However, don't expect that you will get your magical 2.1 upgrade any sooner with any other carrier.
Do most people realize that there is not a single Android phone for sale in America that has ever been upgraded to 2.1 from 1.5 or 1.6? In fact, there are only three phones that have ever even received an Android OS upgrade at all. The T-Mobile G1 (1.0-1.6), the T-Mobile myTouch 3G (1.5-1.6), and the Motorola Droid (2.0-2.1). That's it people.
For all the people blaming Sprint, HTC, or even Sense for how long it's taking them, look around. The T-Mobile G1 and myTouch3G both came out before the Hero, both run vanilla Andoid, and neither of them have been upgraded to 2.1. Just look at all the phones that are still running 1.5 and 1.6.
Personally, I think it will be hilarious if Sprint is the first carrier in America to upgrade a phone from 1.5 to 2.1. If this upgrade happens soon, this will certainly be the case. I just don't get how people can be so upset that we don't have the official 2.1 yet when there are only three phones that have it (two of which launched with it, and one of which launched with 2.0).
I apologize for making a new thread, but I wanted the chart below to have it's own space, and I didn't want it to get buried in one of the many other 2.1 threads. I believe this chart contains every Android phone available on one of the 4 major carriers in America. I compiled this list using wikipedia, so I didn't verify that it is 100% valid. I listed only phones available in America, and cleaned up the formatting to make it useful. Enjoy.
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sprint still sucks Di** in my opinion, 2.1 or not

I will tell you why I am upset with sprint over this. It's because sprint in conjunction with HTC and Samsung decided back late last year that instead of doing maintenance updates to fix the known issues with both phones they would upgrade the phones to 2.1 and include the fixes then. This certainly implied some urgency on their part. But apparently none of the companies involved put enough resources into the upgrade. Also this fantasy of doing both phones at the same time tells me they are not interested in getting the updates out as soon as they are available because someone might be upset if one gets done before the other.
I rooted back in Jan and my phone works great. But I also expect when I buy a premium phone that it is supported properly by Sprint and the phone manufactures. If they can't do that then they have failed. I don't care if no other phone has been upgraded to 2.1. Every other carrier in the US has a phone that runs 2.1 yet sprint can't even give us a date to have that option. They have really screwed this up.

Crash83 said:
I guess my personal aggravation is the fact that it seems if you don't have the latest and greatest phone through your carrier's catalog you seem to just be cast in the corner. Was it not just 5 months ago the Hero was the savior and pride and joy of sprint's network and now with the evo on its way it's as if were the red headed child sitting in the corner. I agree that when it comes it comes but I just don't like the feel a company gives when they do something like that. Yes market and pay attention to your new toy but don't forget your loyal followers and their needs when we're locked in to at least 12 months with a phone you just called the greatest thing since the last big hit.
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Always seems like putting money in a salespersons hand causes them amnesia....
Just think of SPRINT as a REALLY BIG salesperson

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Always seems like putting money in a salespersons hand causes them amnesia....
Just think of SPRINT as a REALLY BIG salesperson
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Well since I don't go to salespersons who don't in some way look after my interests that would mean that I wouldn't go back to Sprint. I have no intention of doing that. Sprint provides a quality service at an affordable price. They just can't afford to continue to make mistakes like this or they will continue their decline until they are out of business and I don't want to see that happen.

it's the old "fire and forget" routine.

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"Want the latest version of Android? Pay up."
That's what this chart says to me, loud and clear.
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How?????
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I updated the chart with the type of custom user interfaces run on the various phones in case it has any effect on rolling out OS upgrades.

Ziggy,
Excellent points, thanks for the perspective

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Ziggy,
Excellent points, thanks for the perspective
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Thanks for that.
Completely off topic, but has anyone ever actually had to say "TouchWiz" out loud to someone?
Talk about the worst product name ever. I don't think I could buy a phone with that UI on it, simply because I would be too embarrassed to actually tell anyone that I was playing with my "TouchWiz".

raylusk said:
I will tell you why I am upset with sprint over this. It's because sprint in conjunction with HTC and Samsung decided back late last year that instead of doing maintenance updates to fix the known issues with both phones they would upgrade the phones to 2.1 and include the fixes then. This certainly implied some urgency on their part. But apparently none of the companies involved put enough resources into the upgrade. Also this fantasy of doing both phones at the same time tells me they are not interested in getting the updates out as soon as they are available because someone might be upset if one gets done before the other.
I rooted back in Jan and my phone works great. But I also expect when I buy a premium phone that it is supported properly by Sprint and the phone manufactures. If they can't do that then they have failed. I don't care if no other phone has been upgraded to 2.1. Every other carrier in the US has a phone that runs 2.1 yet sprint can't even give us a date to have that option. They have really screwed this up.
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What the hell? AT&Fee doesn't have a 2.1 device and neither does T-Mobile really. They have the Nexus One, but it is not sold in stores and with all the hardware and software issues, it's not worth mentioning. The only carrier with any 2.1 devices is Verizon and that is just as of now. The MT3G, EVO, and other devices are well on the way.

think of it this way... you're gonna want to run Froyo when it comes out anyway & NO WAY is Sprint or HTC gonna bother with an official upgrade for that. They'll be pushing the EVO/Next Big Thing. Thank goodness for the great developers working on stuff here.

back to the g1

i got a feeling t-mobile and htc aren't that serious about this phone. but since im still withing my 14 day, im gonna cancel my 2year contract, dust off my trusty g1 and go pre-paid while i wait and see how this goes. on a sidenote. i think its sad that t-mobile, who brought out the first android phone that started the whole frenzy of bringing iphone and RIM to their knees does not embrace their android devices. especially since they brought out a successor, it was just another phone to them i guess. i mean in comparison to apples iphone and att, and motorolas droid line-up and verizon, sprint and their evo. t-mobile and..... and.... wtf???

Wtf? Is all I have to say. Y r so many dumb ppl posting
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xile6 said:
Wtf? Is all I have to say. Y r so many dumb ppl posting
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dont get mad. be happy

hurry up n return it. stop telling us how you feel, its a phone. if u don't like it return it.

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xile6 said:
Wtf? Is all I have to say. Y r so many dumb ppl posting
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this.
you attention whores should just log off and go away.

uh oh is this the part where i get bullied off the internet and i write a sucide note and kill myself??? nah not likely

nighthawk626 said:
uh oh is this the part where i get bullied off the internet and i write a sucide note and kill myself??? nah not likely
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We're just messing with you. If you're really unsatisfied with the G2 and seeing how you really like the other phones with other carriers why not get an HD2? Off-contract of course through craigslist. You can put just about any build into it. They're dirt cheap, like $200. Until t-mobile releases more to your liking.

LOL! Nice.
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smirkis said:
hurry up n return it. stop telling us how you feel, its a phone. if u don't like it return it.
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He got all rights to tell us how he feel, that's why forums exists wtf is wrong with yu what are a dictarorship?, don't tell others to return it yu aren't their parents, its up to them if they feel like it or not, I'm also disappointed on the phones hardware the weak ass hinges but I'm gonna wait for solution from htc I'm sure they'll solve that issue, so I'm not going to return it.

G1 was junk, no way

Dalamak said:
G1 was junk, no way
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No way in anyway was the G1 junk. That phone paved the road for Android, Rooting, and everything else. I still love the G1.

G2 is by far the best phone out for android. My personal opinion is it craps on the vibrant which is its only close competitor. As far as the g1.... only reason id see you going back is if your the type of person who loves to flash roms constantly... the g2 stock is just as good as roms I've loaded. Its very tolerable to me and I usually hate stock android. But soon devs will have perm root (gl guys!) and we will be able to get our roms back all in due time. Could you imagine the g2 with custom firmware? This thing is a beast on stock froyo.... so go figure.
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did t-mobile hurt your feelings im sorry...... i dont think they care as long as you pay them every month but here you go a sad song

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No way in anyway was the G1 junk. That phone paved the road for Android, Rooting, and everything else. I still love the G1.
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well anything would have been rough being on the ground floor for android and Abd like that, this is true, but, that was some jacked up hardware, hinges, trackball, and keybboard, u gotta admit. Felt like Shat in your hand

I sold my rooted (and only rooted, nothing else) G1 to some idiot I work with in the army for 150 bucks.... last week. Oh, I hooked him up with some badass stock apps too like amazon mp3. And a high end bodyglove hard case that tmobile had on sale for 1.99.
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xdviper said:
No way in anyway was the G1 junk. That phone paved the road for Android, Rooting, and everything else. I still love the G1.
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I still like my G1, but now my son is enjoying it with CM 6.1
I'm not sure why so many are frustrated with the G2. I'm really loving it!

To each their own. I was happy to have been part of Android since it's beginning. But Verizon really marketed the Android phone, which would save T-Mobile a lot of marketing expenses to help familiarize people with the brand. Still, T-Mobile needs more advertising for this phone and not those dumb ads aimed at Moms.
I feel insulted.
T-Mobile should have reclaimed the G2 as a successer to the orignal with better hardware (dual core, and FF camera) and features to solidify their place as the Android King, because Verizon is stealing it.
Even though I think Android will peak by the next 2 iterations, it's downhill from there. If T-Mobile doesn't make it's position known as the king of the OS, then it's going to be downhill for them.
Next iteration of phone MUST implement the dual core processsor and more features to make this a top of the line phone. I don't want a phone that runs slower (stock G2) than an already released phone like the Galaxy S.
Step it up T-Mobile, this is my warning to you if you want to stay alive after Q1 FY11. Operations over there must be changing their target audience to Moms. Not good my friend T-Mobile... not good. Unfortunately their smartphone audience that is keeping them afloat are Android lovers and devs and the ability for us to grandfather data plans.
Be the first to release the dual core processor phone, with a projector, and front facing camera. Be the first!!! Be the first to come out with something spectaculary new, and you wont need to worry about marketing as much.
Then you can let Verizon market it for you by releasing a phone of their own with similar features. Once they set their prices, with your limited budget, you will advertise your phone with those features for less money.
Then you'll be all set. Thanks T-Mo and thanks OP for letting me ramble in your thread.

I loved the G1... the hinges made it pretty awesome and unique in my opinion. The keyboard was also pretty awesome... I go through hundreds of SMS a day and it made is so comfortable.
Still getting used to the G2... I like it so far except for the lack of FFC and weak hinges but hey what can I do about that.

luis86dr said:
G2 is by far the best phone out for android. My personal opinion is it craps on the vibrant which is its only close competitor. As far as the g1.... only reason id see you going back is if your the type of person who loves to flash roms constantly... the g2 stock is just as good as roms I've loaded. Its very tolerable to me and I usually hate stock android. But soon devs will have perm root (gl guys!) and we will be able to get our roms back all in due time. Could you imagine the g2 with custom firmware? This thing is a beast on stock froyo.... so go figure.
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I really like most Android Phones but disagree the G2 is the best Android Phone. I just dropped VZW for T-Mobile. My Droid X was just as nice if not better than the G2. I picked up the HD2 but now miss Android. So I am thinking about doing the G2 or MT 4G.
In the end he has his opinion but when it comes to prepaid the 3G coverage drops to a smaller area in my area.
As for the G1 I wasn't a big fan of the phone and the G2 is a far superior look and operating phone.

Getting Old? Yes. Amusing? Slightly. Annoying? Hell yes

I just have to say, who does sprint feel like they're PR'ing?! I mean really? Cut/Paste + PR =\= happy customers
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Epic is as Epic does (in some some cases, does not)

I found it quite interesting that the T-Mo exec came out and admitted they'd had Froyo from Samsung since late November and they'd dropped the ball on adding their crapola to it. Makes me wonder if Sprint has had it that long as well and has just been dicking around all this time.. almost makes perfect sense with their lack of advertising/acknowledging of the Epic.

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I found it quite interesting that the T-Mo exec came out and admitted they'd had Froyo from Samsung since late November and they'd dropped the ball on adding their crapola to it. Makes me wonder if Sprint has had it that long as well and has just been dicking around all this time.. almost makes perfect sense with their lack of advertising/acknowledging of the Epic.
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I haven't read that yet, but if the T-mo exec came out and said legitimately said that, well KUDOS to them. That is awesome. It would be nice of these other companies were as transparent, although they have all been too quiet for too long.

We all know that the carriers have had it since November. Samsung created a rom based on 2.2 and delivered to carriers in november. Then Z4root came out and was published to the market, allowing anyone running 2.2 to root their phone ridiculously easily. Instead of releasing this update to the public and allowing them to root their phones easily, the carriers told Samsung to go back to the drawing board with 2.2.1, which was the update that Google made to Froyo to specifically combat Z4root. Since November, that is what Samsung has been working on.
At least this is what I gather from all of the information I have read. It makes perfect sense. Its like a perfect storm for the Galaxy S users in the US. Samsung had to basically push out 2 updates to the carriers back to back while the users sit there and think Samsung is still working on the original.

Personally I think it's a matter of too many hands in the cookie jar. I heard from the Denver District Sprint mgr (we're dating) that they've had it since Nov and there are conflicts between sprint id and tw, but samsung won't allow sprint to do anything w/ tw and so Sprint is basically saying "well we won't have our sprint ID, making us money, so we're not releasing it until sprint id works correctly" and sammy says "not touching tw!" And so here we are ... stuck. 2.2 on epic = nukem 4?
(As a side note, nukem 4 is/was released... lol...)
Epic is as Epic does

yet another reason then to just STOP ADDING STUPID CRAP AND LET GOOGLE INNOVATE.

That's disheartening because I want NOTHING to do with sprint id, and I seriously doubt anyone else does either (I've heard nothing but bad things).
Even more troubling...I'm also fairly certain that yes, we will see froyo and eventually gbread...but the only way for sprint to do this is with some extreme bloatware..I can only imagine the end-user horror of modifying touchwiz without actually modifying touchwiz. And that is exactly what adding sprint id would do. So yes, I really do believe the sprint tweet that they're working on it but it needs to pass testing. And I'm also willing to bet my last dollar that their version of touchwiz with sprint id is failing the tests horribly. It kind of all makes sense. Because sprint can't afford to lose much money, so not releasing a bad froyo (ala canadian galaxy s) is an upmost priority.
Which leads me to three feelings.
1. I have to admit its encouraging to see them put a lot of value into quality testing.
2. Reallllllllly reinforces my wanting of carriers to just say fuk the bloatware and give me aosp.
3. And this ones just evil. Just release the faulty software already at the expense of the common user, simply so the devs can get their hands on it and get rid of the crap so I can finally have a bug free froyo.
Humans are selfish after all.
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yet another reason then to just STOP ADDING STUPID CRAP AND LET GOOGLE INNOVATE.
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So google is going to write hardware drivers for hundreds of different devices?

Touchwiz isn't a hardware driver though.
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Touchwiz isn't a hardware driver though.
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You literally think that Samsung has been spending the last 6 months porting Touchwiz to Froyo?
Who writes the drivers for:
display
radio
4g
bluetooth
GPS
etc, etc, etc
Do you know how many different chips and combinations of chips there are that accomplish these various tasks and the multitude of drivers needed to allow the various Android OS' communicate with the hardware? I think its a common misconception that Google just releases an OS that can instantly run on every Android device. Its the same as installing Windows XP on a computer. Sure, it will boot, but your ethernet, graphics card, wifi, etc wont work because there are no drivers.

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You literally think that Samsung has been spending the last 6 months porting Touchwiz to Froyo?
Who writes the drivers for:
display
radio
4g
bluetooth
GPS
etc, etc, etc
Do you know how many different chips and combinations of chips there are that accomplish these various tasks and the multitude of drivers needed to allow the various Android OS' communicate with the hardware? I think its a common misconception that Google just releases an OS that can instantly run on every Android device. Its the same as installing Windows XP on a computer. Sure, it will boot, but your ethernet, graphics card, wifi, etc wont work because there are no drivers.
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I believe what they meant was that Samsung is too concerned with keeping tw launcher and Sprint is too concerned with integrating their stupid Sprint ID feature. Give us Vanilla Android and save the end user some trouble.
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I believe what they meant was that Samsung is too concerned with keeping tw launcher and Sprint is too concerned with integrating their stupid Sprint ID feature. Give us Vanilla Android and save the end user some trouble.
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I agree, but even if they did that, its not like we are going to be seeing updates a lot quicker. They still need to either create new drivers or update the ones they are currently using to be completely stable with the new OS. Sure it will shave a little time off of the release not messing around with Sprint ID and TW, which i would love, but they still have to develop drivers.

The final update will not have sprint id. If it were going to have it, I.d. would have been in one of the leaked betas...
Also, whosdaman said it won't either. He's been spot on since launch.
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The final update will not have sprint id. If it were going to have it, I.d. would have been in one of the leaked betas...
Also, whosdaman said it won't either. He's been spot on since launch.
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I disagree. To me it would make much more sense that sprint would get everything else in 2.2 done and working before messing with sprint id. So just because you didn't see it in a leak, IMO that's not indicative of us not getting sprint id, because I believe they would save it for last.
And don't get me wrong, whosdamans daman. But he prbly doesn't work for sprint. So I'm not gonna jump up and take his word for it.
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acually whosdaman does work for sprint, but i digress. sprtint id will not be in any release. why would they not inclulde it until the end if they are trying to get it to work right?
thats like mcdonalds saying "ok, weve been working on this new hamburger, and its really tasty just how it is, so as you cook it, pour a ****load of salt on it and ruin it.
of course if sprint id was going to be included it would have been included in the betas.

Why is everyonnneeee freaking out??? Gosh does no one here have heart for any of these developers? Look, once its released, who cares about all the added crap because the split second its released, there will be instantly new roms/kernals based off the new froyo (and even could be 2.3 Gingerbread) and will have major new tweaks available for these wonderful developers to get their hands on. Just wait... and stop flaming Sprint because without them we wouldn't even have the Epic to play with right now. I work for customer care and you don't realize how many people don't even KNOW about roms or tweaking. Epics are amazing, and incredibly fast regardless, be lucky that you even have one! And that you have amazing developers here giving u even the opportunity to play with 2.2 before the official release. I wouldn't even be surprised that these developers could port over 2.3 before sprint even releases there's lol.
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aikonix said:
Why is everyonnneeee freaking out??? Gosh does no one here have heart for any of these developers? Look, once its released, who cares about all the added crap because the split second its released, there will be instantly new roms/kernals based off the new froyo (and even could be 2.3 Gingerbread) and will have major new tweaks available for these wonderful developers to get their hands on. Just wait... and stop flaming Sprint because without them we wouldn't even have the Epic to play with right now.
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We each pay Sprint over $1000 a year. No thanks.

Jayavarman said:
We each pay Sprint over $1000 a year. No thanks.
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Amen brother
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Jayavarman said:
We each pay Sprint over $1000 a year. No thanks.
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I don't. I have a SERO plan. Whoomp whoomp!

jprocha101 said:
I don't. I have a SERO plan. Whoomp whoomp!
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I'm curious, what does the cheapest version of the SERO plan come out to for the Epic (in real, this is what gets charged on my credit card, money)?
My bill that just came due is $87.84 with an 18% employer discount applied to the base 69.99 plan. That does include a $4.99 monthly "no I won't let you take the money out of my bank account without me pressing a button" charge.

Smartphone War?!?!

The battle of the Specs has begun. Which will you choose? The Samsung Galaxy S2 alone clocked in over 3000+ on its benchmark.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/15/htc-sensation-versus-the-rest-of-the-dual-core-world-smartphone/

Samsungs are jokes. LG tegra 2 for tmo is here lets see some scores for that.
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I wouldn't get a Samsung toaster if it was free. I will stick with HTC.

gqstatus0685 said:
I wouldn't get a Samsung toaster if it was free. I will stick with HTC.
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Even though the Samsung is a beast, my Evo has really made me fall in love with Htc and Sense. The specs indicate that Evo 3D will have Sense 3.0 as well.

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Even though the Samsung is a beast, my Evo has really made me fall in love with Htc and Sense. The specs indicate that Evo 3D will have Sense 3.0 as well.
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I've loved HTC ever since my TYTN days.

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I've loved HTC ever since my TYTN days.
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I had the wing, dash, and mda with tmo lol
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I miss my T-Mo Dash.

The Samsung Nexus S 4G looks sweet. I would pay $150 on contract for that phone. You guys are nuts for hating on that phone.

HTC or moto for me. Unless they keep up with enycrpting bootloaders...
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I don't see the nexusS doing anything my evo can't do, besides some fancy gaming, which I dont use my phone for anyways. There are things my evo can do the nexus can't,like run sense, change sd cards, notification lights, HDMI out to name a few.

mattrb said:
The Samsung Nexus S 4G looks sweet. I would pay $150 on contract for that phone. You guys are nuts for hating on that phone.
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Id rather save my upgrade for something better. I just don't see it as much of an upgrade from my evo. It will be outdated by the end of this year, I don't care how many people make the argument of it being directly supported by google.
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mattrb said:
The Samsung Nexus S 4G looks sweet. I would pay $150 on contract for that phone. You guys are nuts for hating on that phone.
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The Nexus S 4G is one phone that we will never hate just because of the fact that it is GOOGLES phone. Direct updates, direct response, Completely open source.

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AMEN
/filler

dirkyd3rk said:
Id rather save my upgrade for something better. I just don't see it as much of an upgrade from my evo. It will be outdated by the end of this year, I don't care how many people make the argument of it being directly supported by google.
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I'll make another argument anyway.
By the end of the year the Nexus S will be pushed the usual Q4 Android update. The EVO 3D will probably have to wait until Q2 2012 or be stuck with buggy custom ROMs.

Nexus s was made by Samsung but I am sure its by google requirements. If you compare HTC nexus 1 and Samsung nexus s,u will want nexus s.
Also there is no moto or HTC which can even come close to sgs2. They did lacked in os updates in past but it was becoz of powerful and unique hardware. You just play with super amoled screen for once you will never go back to LCD or slcd. Also sgs2 specs beats HTC sensation is every department.
HTC will another 3 phones to beat Samsung. Just like what happened when HTC released one phone every month to compete with galaxy s series still Galaxy s is most selling android phones.
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Your missing the part where the evo was the second phone after the Google phone to get updated when it first came out. Very fast.
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I'll make another argument anyway.
By the end of the year the Nexus S will be pushed the usual Q4 Android update. The EVO 3D will probably have to wait until Q2 2012 or be stuck with buggy custom ROMs.
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Award Tour said:
I'll make another argument anyway.
By the end of the year the Nexus S will be pushed the usual Q4 Android update. The EVO 3D will probably have to wait until Q2 2012 or be stuck with buggy custom ROMs.
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I mean that's cool if it gets open source support etc wow but the hardware will be done by 2011 imo. Every rom is buggy imo because Google rolls out these new build just to damn fast. Id rather have a bug free 2.2(which we still have) then moving to another android build that's still plague with the same bugs. 2.2 is no where near perfect (sense/aosp) and they're already talking about ice cream; give me a break Google get your **** together. Not to mention 2.3 is blah, even on the nexus s. I just don't care about direct support man because direct or not no build is perfect. I also don't care for the evo 3D, I will just hold my evo until something is worth switch. If HTC made a 4" webOS 3.0 phone I would jump ship in a heartbeat. Im just kind of bored with android :-(
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I mean that's cool if it gets open source support etc wow but the hardware will be done by 2011 imo. Every rom is buggy imo because Google rolls out these new build just to damn fast. Id rather have a bug free 2.2(which we still have) then moving to another android build that's still plague with the same bugs. 2.2 is no where near perfect (sense/aosp) and they're already talking about ice cream; give me a break Google get your **** together. Not to mention 2.3 is blah, even on the nexus s. I just don't care about direct support man because direct or not no build is perfect. I also don't care for the evo 3D, I will just hold my evo until something is worth switch. If HTC made a 4" webOS 3.0 phone I would jump ship in a heartbeat. Im just kind of bored with android :-(
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You are right - no build is perfect, but at least you get the latest Android version. Either way Sense ROMs are built on top of AOSP, so most AOSP bugs are also in Sense but you also get Sense bugs on top of that.
As for Android - I'm actually looking into WP7. Mango fixes a lot of the things that prevented me from giving WP7 a try (good browser, multi-tasking). I figure I'd get the Nexus S now (hopefully next week), and then ride that until MS releases the next major update early next year. WP7 Mango looks incredibly good, and will get even better next year. I envision 2012 being MS year - Windows 8 laptop/desktop/tablet/phone/Xbox unity. I can see myself with a Macbook running Windows 8 for heavy work, a Windows 8 tablet for casual use, a Windows 8 netbook for coding, and a WP8 phone for calling and smaller on the go stuff.

Award Tour said:
You are right - no build is perfect, but at least you get the latest Android version. Either way Sense ROMs are built on top of AOSP, so most AOSP bugs are also in Sense but you also get Sense bugs on top of that.
As for Android - I'm actually looking into WP7. Mango fixes a lot of the things that prevented me from giving WP7 a try (good browser, multi-tasking). I figure I'd get the Nexus S now (hopefully next week), and then ride that until MS releases the next major update early next year. WP7 Mango looks incredibly good, and will get even better next year. I envision 2012 being MS year - Windows 8 laptop/desktop/tablet/phone/Xbox unity. I can see myself with a Macbook running Windows 8 for heavy work, a Windows 8 tablet for casual use, a Windows 8 netbook for coding, and a WP8 phone for calling and smaller on the go stuff.
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This. One thing you learn about microsoft, if they want something good enough, their marketing department will take it over.
The amazing hardware acceleration on wp7 will ultimately win over a lot of people. No fragmentation, fast, easy app developments, no gay skins, updates sent by microsoft themselves etc.. will make it a def winner in the coming years. Mainly the app development. Even though java has its fair share of good programmers, there are a LOT more C# developers in the scene. Not only that, but C# has always seemed to outdo java in certain areas, such as gaming, and speed.
I also have a feeling that microsoft will have tricks up their sleeves coming w8. Some kind of integration technique between wp7 and windows.
Also looking at security wise, unless google starts taking their security and updates more seriously, people will start to see more worms and virus' on their phones, and will eventually drive away the majority of users away from android as they start to see 500$ bills showing up on their phone bill for dialing to china.