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The Definitive Android 2.1 Upgrade Chart - Updated With User Interfaces

Alright, like everyone else, I have grown tired of all the complaining about the 2.1 update. Yes, I would love to get my hands on the official update as I feel our 2.1 leak was pretty buggy. The devs have done great with what they have to work with, and I love running 2.1 even with some of the quirks that are inherent to a hacked ROM.
What I don't get is how everyone can be so upset with Sprint. Personally, I am on Sprint because they are cheap, and offer good cell phone service where I live. That's it. If you are upset with your carrier (as I was with my extremely high bills on Verizon) then buy out your contract and go to another carrier. However, don't expect that you will get your magical 2.1 upgrade any sooner with any other carrier.
Do most people realize that there is not a single Android phone for sale in America that has ever been upgraded to 2.1 from 1.5 or 1.6? In fact, there are only three phones that have ever even received an Android OS upgrade at all. The T-Mobile G1 (1.0-1.6), the T-Mobile myTouch 3G (1.5-1.6), and the Motorola Droid (2.0-2.1). That's it people.
For all the people blaming Sprint, HTC, or even Sense for how long it's taking them, look around. The T-Mobile G1 and myTouch3G both came out before the Hero, both run vanilla Andoid, and neither of them have been upgraded to 2.1. Just look at all the phones that are still running 1.5 and 1.6.
Personally, I think it will be hilarious if Sprint is the first carrier in America to upgrade a phone from 1.5 to 2.1. If this upgrade happens soon, this will certainly be the case. I just don't get how people can be so upset that we don't have the official 2.1 yet when there are only three phones that have it (two of which launched with it, and one of which launched with 2.0).
I apologize for making a new thread, but I wanted the chart below to have it's own space, and I didn't want it to get buried in one of the many other 2.1 threads. I believe this chart contains every Android phone available on one of the 4 major carriers in America. I compiled this list using wikipedia, so I didn't verify that it is 100% valid. I listed only phones available in America, and cleaned up the formatting to make it useful. Enjoy.
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I Gotta say that no one should be PO'D at Sprint,HTC or any other company for that matter, Sprint is the Best carrier I've been. Quit whining 2.1 will arrive before you all know it. Shut up root your hero while you still can flash a custom 2.1 rom and be happy. i Know im not gonna to upgrade to the official release. Ill wait to one my fav dev's puts out a 2.1 rom based off the otw upgrade with all fat trimmed off so it runs the way it should. So everybody behave your selves the upgrade from sprint will come no doubt, then you can go back to whining about how laggy and buggy your 2.1 hero is.
As for me Im gonna flash toast's new one fresh-toast 1.1, oh maybe something from damageless, oh hey darchstar's got a new one wow decision, decisions, lol

Thanks for doing this.
This definitively shows that the problem is not with Sprint and that manufacturers seem to have decided that there is no benefit to them whatsoever to supporting existing customers. Google is also failing to get the situation under control.
"Want the latest version of Android? Pay up."
That's what this chart says to me, loud and clear.

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I agree upgrade to the latest EVO 4G anyone
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I agree that people should stop whining about 2.1, it's more annoying than the 2.1 posts.

I guess my personal aggravation is the fact that it seems if you don't have the latest and greatest phone through your carrier's catalog you seem to just be cast in the corner. Was it not just 5 months ago the Hero was the savior and pride and joy of sprint's network and now with the evo on its way it's as if were the red headed child sitting in the corner. I agree that when it comes it comes but I just don't like the feel a company gives when they do something like that. Yes market and pay attention to your new toy but don't forget your loyal followers and their needs when we're locked in to at least 12 months with a phone you just called the greatest thing since the last big hit.

Its always been the same with every OS and every carrier. I remember being wint Windows same thing, these company make the money in the hardware not software therefore it's no business sense to give a great deal of support for older hardware. The truth of the matter is that for companies like HTC, people will continue to purchase the latest, even after all the waiting on the Hero most people will still go out and get the Evo. The only company making great support is Apple.

DR.mobbfigga said:
I Gotta say that no one should be PO'D at Sprint,HTC or any other company for that matter, Sprint is the Best carrier I've been. Quit whining 2.1 will arrive before you all know it. Shut up root your hero while you still can flash a custom 2.1 rom and be happy. i Know im not gonna to upgrade to the official release. Ill wait to one my fav dev's puts out a 2.1 rom based off the otw upgrade with all fat trimmed off so it runs the way it should. So everybody behave your selves the upgrade from sprint will come no doubt, then you can go back to whining about how laggy and buggy your 2.1 hero is.
As for me Im gonna flash toast's new one fresh-toast 1.1, oh maybe something from damageless, oh hey darchstar's got a new one wow decision, decisions, lol
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X2 This is what I think too.

ziggy682 said:
Alright, like everyone else, I have grown tired of all the complaining about the 2.1 update. Yes, I would love to get my hands on the official update as I feel our 2.1 leak was pretty buggy. The devs have done great with what they have to work with, and I love running 2.1 even with some of the quirks that are inherent to a hacked ROM.
What I don't get is how everyone can be so upset with Sprint. Personally, I am on Sprint because they are cheap, and offer good cell phone service where I live. That's it. If you are upset with your carrier (as I was with my extremely high bills on Verizon) then buy out your contract and go to another carrier. However, don't expect that you will get your magical 2.1 upgrade any sooner with any other carrier.
Do most people realize that there is not a single Android phone for sale in America that has ever been upgraded to 2.1 from 1.5 or 1.6? In fact, there are only three phones that have ever even received an Android OS upgrade at all. The T-Mobile G1 (1.0-1.6), the T-Mobile myTouch 3G (1.5-1.6), and the Motorola Droid (2.0-2.1). That's it people.
For all the people blaming Sprint, HTC, or even Sense for how long it's taking them, look around. The T-Mobile G1 and myTouch3G both came out before the Hero, both run vanilla Andoid, and neither of them have been upgraded to 2.1. Just look at all the phones that are still running 1.5 and 1.6.
Personally, I think it will be hilarious if Sprint is the first carrier in America to upgrade a phone from 1.5 to 2.1. If this upgrade happens soon, this will certainly be the case. I just don't get how people can be so upset that we don't have the official 2.1 yet when there are only three phones that have it (two of which launched with it, and one of which launched with 2.0).
I apologize for making a new thread, but I wanted the chart below to have it's own space, and I didn't want it to get buried in one of the many other 2.1 threads. I believe this chart contains every Android phone available on one of the 4 major carriers in America. I compiled this list using wikipedia, so I didn't verify that it is 100% valid. I listed only phones available in America, and cleaned up the formatting to make it useful. Enjoy.
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sprint still sucks Di** in my opinion, 2.1 or not

I will tell you why I am upset with sprint over this. It's because sprint in conjunction with HTC and Samsung decided back late last year that instead of doing maintenance updates to fix the known issues with both phones they would upgrade the phones to 2.1 and include the fixes then. This certainly implied some urgency on their part. But apparently none of the companies involved put enough resources into the upgrade. Also this fantasy of doing both phones at the same time tells me they are not interested in getting the updates out as soon as they are available because someone might be upset if one gets done before the other.
I rooted back in Jan and my phone works great. But I also expect when I buy a premium phone that it is supported properly by Sprint and the phone manufactures. If they can't do that then they have failed. I don't care if no other phone has been upgraded to 2.1. Every other carrier in the US has a phone that runs 2.1 yet sprint can't even give us a date to have that option. They have really screwed this up.

Crash83 said:
I guess my personal aggravation is the fact that it seems if you don't have the latest and greatest phone through your carrier's catalog you seem to just be cast in the corner. Was it not just 5 months ago the Hero was the savior and pride and joy of sprint's network and now with the evo on its way it's as if were the red headed child sitting in the corner. I agree that when it comes it comes but I just don't like the feel a company gives when they do something like that. Yes market and pay attention to your new toy but don't forget your loyal followers and their needs when we're locked in to at least 12 months with a phone you just called the greatest thing since the last big hit.
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Always seems like putting money in a salespersons hand causes them amnesia....
Just think of SPRINT as a REALLY BIG salesperson

MagnusRagnarok said:
Always seems like putting money in a salespersons hand causes them amnesia....
Just think of SPRINT as a REALLY BIG salesperson
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Well since I don't go to salespersons who don't in some way look after my interests that would mean that I wouldn't go back to Sprint. I have no intention of doing that. Sprint provides a quality service at an affordable price. They just can't afford to continue to make mistakes like this or they will continue their decline until they are out of business and I don't want to see that happen.

it's the old "fire and forget" routine.

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"Want the latest version of Android? Pay up."
That's what this chart says to me, loud and clear.
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How?????
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I updated the chart with the type of custom user interfaces run on the various phones in case it has any effect on rolling out OS upgrades.

Ziggy,
Excellent points, thanks for the perspective

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Ziggy,
Excellent points, thanks for the perspective
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Thanks for that.
Completely off topic, but has anyone ever actually had to say "TouchWiz" out loud to someone?
Talk about the worst product name ever. I don't think I could buy a phone with that UI on it, simply because I would be too embarrassed to actually tell anyone that I was playing with my "TouchWiz".

raylusk said:
I will tell you why I am upset with sprint over this. It's because sprint in conjunction with HTC and Samsung decided back late last year that instead of doing maintenance updates to fix the known issues with both phones they would upgrade the phones to 2.1 and include the fixes then. This certainly implied some urgency on their part. But apparently none of the companies involved put enough resources into the upgrade. Also this fantasy of doing both phones at the same time tells me they are not interested in getting the updates out as soon as they are available because someone might be upset if one gets done before the other.
I rooted back in Jan and my phone works great. But I also expect when I buy a premium phone that it is supported properly by Sprint and the phone manufactures. If they can't do that then they have failed. I don't care if no other phone has been upgraded to 2.1. Every other carrier in the US has a phone that runs 2.1 yet sprint can't even give us a date to have that option. They have really screwed this up.
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What the hell? AT&Fee doesn't have a 2.1 device and neither does T-Mobile really. They have the Nexus One, but it is not sold in stores and with all the hardware and software issues, it's not worth mentioning. The only carrier with any 2.1 devices is Verizon and that is just as of now. The MT3G, EVO, and other devices are well on the way.

think of it this way... you're gonna want to run Froyo when it comes out anyway & NO WAY is Sprint or HTC gonna bother with an official upgrade for that. They'll be pushing the EVO/Next Big Thing. Thank goodness for the great developers working on stuff here.

Can This be True?? 2.2 in a few days?

Just saw this posted, what do ya'll think?
http://www.mobilemag.com/2010/12/27/verizons-samsung-fascinate-getting-froyo-before-years-end/

Actually this has been discussed. It is believed that this chart is an outdated chart from Verizon. There are things on the chart that support it being outdated. I not trying to rain on your parade, as I would love Froyo on my Fascinate before the end of the year as well, I am just not certain it will happen. I know the Epic's Froyo update that was supposed to go live 12/26 got postponed, so maybe Samsung is having issues with Froyo on certain Galaxy S phones (CDMA Galaxy S's to be exact). Either that or they are just deciding to pool resources into a Gingerbread update. Either way the lack of updates and update statuses from Verizon and Samsung is leading to the frustration over the lack of an update. All I can recommend now is patience. We will get it when they decide to release it. Either that or Verizon will get the iPhone in Jan. or Feb. and offer some insane upgrade pricing to entice people to move to that smartphone. Who knows, lol.

Ahh, I must have missed that one, I'm in no hurry but I thought this was something new. Thanks....

I will rain on the parade, because that chart's an internal Verizon training tool that came out before the Fascinate actually launched. This whole thing is getting kind of ridiculous -- Android Central put it up on their website as new, exclusive news, and all these other overeager Android bloggers leaped on it like hotcakes without doing any additional research. Is it possible the upgrade will come out before the year ends? Possible, yes. Likely, absolutely not. But this chart doesn't increase the likelihood one way or the other.
And on another note, as the previous poster mentioned this has been posted before -- actually, this is the third time in as two days -- which is why people generally suggest looking over recent threads before posting something you think may be new.

On Verizon's website there are software update instructions, has the 1500 already received an update for 2.1? Traded my buddy for this phone about a week ago and he had no idea what I was talking about when I asked if he ever had to update it, hehe

FWIW, on Samsung's website they show the Fascinate as having 2.2.

That is strange. I just saw that. It was 2.1 only a couple days ago. Shenanigans? Or a lead?

Talked to Samsung tech support. They confirmed that new phones will ship with froyo pre-installed. They would not confirm or deny if existing phones would receive the update.

That is misleading. And this shows under the verizon model fascinate, in case anyone is wondering.

Joe T said:
Talked to Samsung tech support. They confirmed that new phones will ship with froyo pre-installed. They would not confirm or deny if existing phones would receive the update.
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I have to call BS on Samsung. I just got a new Fascinate from Best Buy last week (just switch to Verizon on the 15th of Dec, originally got the wife a incredible, but she wanted the same phone I got, so went back to get a fascinate for her) and that phone was new and did not have 2.2 on it. I wonder what kind of BS they are pulling here. I will gladly take these phones back to go get a 2.2 Fascinate before my 30 days exchange time is up. It really doesn't make sense not to release an update to current owners but to put it on new phones (which means it must be ready, or the new phones maybe an updated hardware version?). What Samsung and Verizon are doing here is incredibly stupid.

just talked to a service rep... i know i know.....
i asked why it says 2.2 next to the fascinate on their page...he said
"2.2 will be out ota in the next few days"...
I said "
yea we heard that before.... any chance you can just give it to me????"
the response was...
good day sir...

madcow706 said:
I have to call BS on Samsung. I just got a new Fascinate from Best Buy last week (just switch to Verizon on the 15th of Dec, originally got the wife a incredible, but she wanted the same phone I got, so went back to get a fascinate for her) and that phone was new and did not have 2.2 on it. I wonder what kind of BS they are pulling here. I will gladly take these phones back to go get a 2.2 Fascinate before my 30 days exchange time is up. It really doesn't make sense not to release an update to current owners but to put it on new phones (which means it must be ready, or the new phones maybe an updated hardware version?). What Samsung and Verizon are doing here is incredibly stupid.
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they will be shipping new phones with 2.2 that doesn't mean all the phones in stock will be 2.2... and it just changed within the last 2 days also...

lthibeault said:
just talked to a service rep... i know i know.....
i asked why it says 2.2 next to the fascinate on their page...he said
"2.2 will be out ota in the next few days"...
I said "
yea we heard that before.... any chance you can just give it to me????"
the response was...
good day sir...
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I think its time to spam facebook and twitter with our discontent. Really in this day and age with the internet and social networking sites, to not say anything about the update (but put it front and center on your product page that the phone has a version of the OS that it does not) is just showing poor customer appreciation.

madcow706 said:
I think its time to spam facebook and twitter with our discontent. Really in this day and age with the internet and social networking sites, to not say anything about the update (but put it front and center on your product page that the phone has a version of the OS that it does not) is just showing poor customer appreciation.
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Have you seen what people are saying to them on Facebook or Twitter? Their Facebook pages are what you'd expect to see on a bathroom stall; and it's been going on for months!

A bathroom stall? Maybe one at a dairy queen refusing to dispense softserve?

Joe T said:
Have you seen what people are saying to them on Facebook or Twitter? Their Facebook pages are what you'd expect to see on a bathroom stall; and it's been going on for months!
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Actually I haven't, I just looked today. It is really sad that Samsung is being bashed on the social networking sites and they don't care one bit. I am really reconsidering my decision on keeping a Samsung phone.

madcow706 said:
Actually I haven't, I just looked today. It is really sad that Samsung is being bashed on the social networking sites and they don't care one bit. I am really reconsidering my decision on keeping a Samsung phone.
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It is sad but they don't care. They got your (and my) money and the only thing they care about is this quarters profits. That's business these days. The real issue here is that in order for Samsung to sell these phones they intentionally misled consumers into believing that the devices would be updated very shortly after their release. I'm sure it's no coincidence that this update will take place right around Q2-2011; they've had this for a while and have been holding out on us.

http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SCH-I500RKAVZW
Here it is, straight from samsung. However, on the vzw website, it still lists it as having 2.1.
so fresh and so superclean.

as i have stated before... the update was not ready at the beginning of this month... i saw it with my own eyes... everything was constantly FC'ing...
if it is now ready they have not been sitting on it very long...
God forbid we get a bug free update later than other carriers get a bugged up one....

lthibeault said:
as i have stated before... the update was not ready at the beginning of this month... i saw it with my own eyes... everything was constantly FC'ing...
if it is now ready they have not been sitting on it very long...
God forbid we get a bug free update later than other carriers get a bugged up one....
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It's not the waiting, it's the lack of any information that makes the natives restless.

Interesting thread about Bell Vibrant issues

I guess following thread is a very good example of how civilized people deal with issues. Samsung is in question.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883820
May be we need to start campaign about Froyo/Gingerbread using same tactics?
That was promised and a lot of hardware were bought because of this. Time to hold promises!
It's a little bit to late (because some variants are already got/getting Froyo), but there is a chance consolidate across all variants.

CNemo7539 said:
May be we need to start campaign about Froyo/Gingerbread using same tactics?
That was promised and a lot of hardware were bought because of this. Time to hold promises!
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That thread is because of real failures on the device, rendering them unusable. Sorry, but you're a fool if you purchased a device because it might get an update, it's not Samsung's fault.
I'm getting a bit frustrated waiting for this update because there are things popping up that require Froyo, but some of these comments/threads on a number of forums are just silly.
By all means, make yourself heard, but the lack of Froyo doesn't render the device unusable.

Verizon will give it to us when they are satisfied with the build. A 1960's hippie movement will not get it here any faster.
I am fine with 2.1 myself.
good day.

J Shed said:
That thread is because of real failures on the device, rendering them unusable. Sorry, but you're a fool if you purchased a device because it might get an update, it's not Samsung's fault.
I'm getting a bit frustrated waiting for this update because there are things popping up that require Froyo, but some of these comments/threads on a number of forums are just silly.
By all means, make yourself heard, but the lack of Froyo doesn't render the device unusable.
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My phone USB failed few days ago. I have thread here, trying to get additional information if others have similar problems. That said VZ already send another one for free. I do not know yet if it is new or refarb.
What I think is that, promise is what it is. I didn't pushed them to promise anything. But, getting normal support for device is something I've assumed at the time of purchase phone + dock + other crap. Would I know that everything is so slow, I might got another phone. I think I'm not alone here.

CNemo7539 said:
My phone USB failed few days ago. I have thread here, trying to get additional information if others have similar problems. That said VZ already send another one for free. I do not know yet if it is new or refarb.
What I think is that, promise is what it is. I didn't pushed them to promise anything. But, getting normal support for device is something I've assumed at the time of purchase phone + dock + other crap. Would I know that everything is so slow, I might got another phone. I think I'm not alone here.
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They committed to releasing the update, they gave an estimated time frame for release, they didn't PROMISE anything. Froyo is coming, but the lack of it doesn't mean your phone doesn't work. Updates aren't normal support, they're updates. 2.2 is not required for the phone to function.
The funny thing is you're absolutely not alone (pretty sure I made that clear in my OP), it's just getting ridiculous some of the things people are demanding. It's not Samsung, nor Verizon's fault you purchased a device based on what it might be. That's your fault, period. I purchased this phone for what it was the day I got it, not for some dream land a few months down the road.

I feel about this a little bit differently, looking at the back of my phone dock. It has easy readable label saying that some functionality will be available when 2.2 update released. And it was promised SHORTLY. So shortly, that people found it OK to hold over 30 days grace period.
Overall I do not think it silly to expect something. I DO EXPECT that MS will patch Windows, Live etc. I DO EXPECT that HP, Dell and others update drivers. This practice exists for years now.
I do not know why it sounds funny when I expect that Samsung or VZ will fix GPS and other issues?
It is not that I'm screaming for update right now. But some clarity about situation will be greatly appreciated. Neither VZ nor Samsung didn't stepped down from their heights to inform us, mere mortals.

chopper the dog said:
A 1960's hippie movement will not get it here any faster.
good day.
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What if you ARE a 1960's hippie though?
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CNemo7539 said:
It is not that I'm screaming for update right now. But some clarity about situation will be greatly appreciated. Neither VZ nor Samsung didn't stepped down from their heights to inform us, mere mortals.
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This is fair, but can you name companies that do this? Unfortunately it's very rare.
They can't give you a set ETA (software is such that you can't give out fixed dates until it's done), nor can they really tell you what they're working on/why it's delayed (would you really understand if they did tell you?). The best they could tell you is "we're working on it," and unless you live in a cave (or subscribe to one of the ridiculous conspiracy theories), you already know that.
And again, YOU deciding to hang onto the dock is your fault, not Samsung's. At 29 days, you could've strolled into the VZW store, and returned it. And again, they will release Froyo for the Verizon Samsung Fascinate. If they do not, they will be in real legal trouble because suddenly, you'd have a case for a class action lawsuit because of your dock.

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This is fair, but can you name companies that do this? Unfortunately it's very rare.
They can't give you a set ETA (software is such that you can't give out fixed dates until it's done), nor can they really tell you what they're working on/why it's delayed (would you really understand if they did tell you?). The best they could tell you is "we're working on it," and unless you live in a cave (or subscribe to one of the ridiculous conspiracy theories), you already know that.
And again, YOU deciding to hang onto the dock is your fault, not Samsung's. At 29 days, you could've strolled into the VZW store, and returned it. And again, they will release Froyo for the Verizon Samsung Fascinate. If they do not, they will be in real legal trouble because suddenly, you'd have a case for a class action lawsuit because of your dock.
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Believe it or not, I'm in IT... And I tell you - there is always deadlines and dates are set in stone. Moreover, public beta will settle all worries. It is easy way to show to average public what company does and where it stays at the moment. That is how other companies handle same problems. MS with SP betas is good sample. Even secretive Apple does it!
I guess, we have a case for class action. I just wonder for how long we should wait before initiating it? As of now, we have a pretty good reason to believe that time for Froyo is gone, because Gingerbread is out and Samsung has it. Do you see my point?
As to return... Well, it not going to happen in the future. I'm going to stay away from Samsung products. Unfortunately I cannot leave VZ.

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Believe it or not, I'm in IT... And I tell you - there is always deadlines and dates are set in stone.
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"IT" and software development are not the same thing.
Public beta works with basic software, and even some OSes, not with phones. You release a public beta that has a bug that can brick your phone, and you're screwed. It's MUCH more difficult to fix a bricked phone than it is to fix a desktop that won't boot properly.
You don't have a case, yet. If Samsung fails to deliver 2.2, then you will, not until then.

J Shed said:
"IT" and software development are not the same thing.
Public beta works with basic software, and even some OSes, not with phones. You release a public beta that has a bug that can brick your phone, and you're screwed. It's MUCH more difficult to fix a bricked phone than it is to fix a desktop that won't boot properly.
You don't have a case, yet. If Samsung fails to deliver 2.2, then you will, not until then.
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No need to explain what exactly I do. It is development.
Go to Apple site and figure out how they deploy public betas for iOS. Nobody complains about broken phones. I never heard about this.
Hell!!! Film the video for youtube if not anything else! Show prototypes in the stores! Even this will be better then noting! Release official statement. Just do not sit like cat in the sand!
They simply are not willing to do anything, because they got their money already.
And could you please define "fails to deliver"? As far as I'm concerned they pretty much failed. Froyo was released and pulled off several times on other SGS phones. And they have Froyo on tab, which essentially same hardware. What is this?
Though I might consider it as showing progress ;-) Problem is that at such pace phone will physically pass out sooner then we get update.

Believe it or not, I am actually trying to get them into admitting that Froyo will not be released.
I got one rep who replied to say it, however, she doesn't know wtf she is talking about. Depending on their next few replies if whether I crack the email open and send it to the major blog sites.
I am trying to get someone who actually knows something to admit that 2.2 is not coming. We shall see. Past that, you are right, there is not a damn thing we can do until its determined that its NOT coming out.

J Shed said:
2.2 is not required for the phone to function.
It's not Samsung, nor Verizon's fault you purchased a device based on what it might be.
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Tell that to the hundreds of thousands who bought a cradle with a sticker on it saying "2.2 required for this to function".
Is that their fault they received a product which doesn't work as advertised, just to open the box up to a "gotch'ya!" sticker?
Is that somehow not Samsung nor Verizon's fault, too?
Sometimes I wonder how often people on here ever take responsibility, seeing as they are so quick to make excuses and attack those wronged. You would all do well in politics or customer service; Neither party holds anyone accountable for their false promises.

The problem is, until they admit that its not being released, they have us all on a technicality, that coming soon has no defined time frame. Leaked internal documents are likely not admissible in a lawsuit.
Its ****ty, its unethical, but it is what it is.
I am just as angry as well.

According the news, Samsung is going to introduce Galaxy S ancestor in Barcelona in February. So, I guess first Galaxy S lifespan is even shorter than I've expected. Sure, it is because was VZ was late to the game. Churning out new models at such pace doesn't leave time to support old ones.

Galaxy s is like lexus to toyota. It's just a line of phones from samsung which are high end.
Adrynalyne is right when he says that there is nothing that we can do but make them admit that nothing is coming out...

CNemo7539 said:
No need to explain what exactly I do. It is development.
Go to Apple site and figure out how they deploy public betas for iOS. Nobody complains about broken phones. I never heard about this.
Hell!!! Film the video for youtube if not anything else! Show prototypes in the stores! Even this will be better then noting! Release official statement. Just do not sit like cat in the sand!
They simply are not willing to do anything, because they got their money already.
And could you please define "fails to deliver"? As far as I'm concerned they pretty much failed. Froyo was released and pulled off several times on other SGS phones. And they have Froyo on tab, which essentially same hardware. What is this?
Though I might consider it as showing progress ;-) Problem is that at such pace phone will physically pass out sooner then we get update.
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Funny you mention apple, and then in the same breath you talk about making phones obsolete.
Apple and Samsung are apples and oranges (lol). Apple has ONE phone (3 if you want to count the og, 3g, and 3gs, but those are mostly obsolete), Samsung has at least 4 or 5 in the US alone. Each on different networks, and with differing software setups (bloatware). How again are they going to ensure they don't start ****ing **** up if they push a public beta? Trust me, I'd LOVE if they did that, but it's an unrealistic expectation.
And "fails to deliver" means it doesn't come, at all, ever, period. When they admit to freezing development and NOT releasing anything past 2.1, then everyone who purchased a dock has a case for a class action lawsuit.
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Tell that to the hundreds of thousands who bought a cradle with a sticker on it saying "2.2 required for this to function".
Is that their fault they received a product which doesn't work as advertised, just to open the box up to a "gotch'ya!" sticker?
Is that somehow not Samsung nor Verizon's fault, too?
Sometimes I wonder how often people on here ever take responsibility, seeing as they are so quick to make excuses and attack those wronged. You would all do well in politics or customer service; Neither party holds anyone accountable for their false promises.
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Don't talk to me about accountability when you are so eager to blame someone else for your failure to return a product you weren't satisfied with. It's also your fault you decided to wait it out for Froyo.
You chose to wait, that's on you. So now it's a matter of you waiting for them to release 2.2+, or them to admit they won't release it.
I'm not defending anyone, I'm just tired of the stupid crap I'm seeing from people over this update. I didn't buy that dock because I think it's a piece of crap, regardless of the fact the 3.5mm jack doesn't work (which, BTW, sounds like it's the ONLY thing not working, it charges the phone, displays the dock program).

RacerXFD said:
Galaxy s is like lexus to toyota. It's just a line of phones from samsung which are high end.
Adrynalyne is right when he says that there is nothing that we can do but make them admit that nothing is coming out...
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I guess we are getting away from the intended topic. This might be my fault, if I not expressed clearly.
If adrynalyne is talking to somebody at Samsung, would be nice if he can share that person contact. I guess idea is to have one single point of force application.
Even if that person is brainless office droid, he will have to report up at some point, if number and intensity of complaints is over some threshold.
Could we here formulate some collective message and start pushing it from different emails?

I'd just like to use the 3.5mm audio out on my dock, have map rotation gesture working in maps and get chrome to phone back; new gmail client would be a nice upgrade... Hopefully it will happen someday...
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SONY should return our money back

SONY should return our money back
I dont want to get stuck with X10(no Froyo or next versions) for SGD 1088/.
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For the 1st time i m just pissed off with SONY

When did SE ever say they were updating beyond 2.1 when you bought your phone? They even told us that there was no multi-touch because of hardware constraints when we bought our phones, but they went out of their way to bring it to us anyways. We bought this device already behind the Android curve with 1.6, but now you expect it to have the newest version??? If you feel entitled to continuous updates, you must not have been around the past 20 years of the technology revolution. This is how it works. We have to pay for the research and development of new technology. If you don't want to buy something, just to have something better from the same manufacturer come out around the corner, then you either need to not buy anything or wait 10 years until the technology is not in its infant stage of development. The Xperia is nearing the end of its lifecycle, so this is to be expected. Did you complain to Microsoft when Windows 7 came out and you didn't get your pc upgraded for free?

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The Xperia is nearing the end of its lifecycle, so this is to be expected.
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Please stop spreading such silly quotes. The X10 was first shown in November of 2009. It was released in 2010 around March. It is nowhere near the end of it's life cycle. Besides, that's a horrible excuse on Sony's part.

xperiax10.awesome said:
SONY should return our money back
I dont want to get stuck with X10(no Froyo or next versions) for SGD 1088/.
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to start with, it is NOT Sony....it is Sony Ericsson. Completely different. Secondly, they never promised anything above 2.1. Thirdly, we are a very small part of the user base for the x10 handset. the vast majority of x10 users do not even know of xda developers let alone how to install the xrecovery menu or flash 2.2.1 beta onto their handset - let alone care. Sony Ericsson are all about selling handsets and appeasing the market.
we are **** out of luck.
For me, its time to leave SE behind and jump ship to a manufacturer that is actually interested in supporting the modding community, instead of one that actively tries to block it.

ok, im sorry, im getting sick of these "I effin hate sony" threads.
so i am finally going to put my .02 in.
first of all, is this the only thing you have ever bought in your life? how many purchases do you make in a week that you can step back and say, man this is awesome im so glad i bought this, this will be perfect for years to come.
exactly, none, have you ever bought a phone/pda that was perfect that would last you forever? and if so why did you buy the X10 if you were so perfectly happy?
i just dont understand how people can buy a $500 device, that in all honesty DOES impress, and DOES what its supposed to do pretty god damned well, and still freakin complain that 9 months later theres better technology out there.....SHEESH! welcome to life people! you can never have the "best" of something for more than a week. there will always be something "better" or "newer".
so i just bought new tires for my dodge ram, they cost hella lot more than my x10, so i guess i should go to my local tire store again in 9 months and whine about how my 9 month old tires dont look brand new anymore right?
come on man seriously, if you think sony lied to you or you hate this device so bad, freakin sell it buy an ifail 4 and leave us the fack alone. because im sure im not the only one here who's getting sick of the same lame "eff sony!!" bullishhh.
/vote kick op
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xperiax10.awesome said:
SONY should return our money back
I dont want to get stuck with X10(no Froyo or next versions) for SGD 1088/.
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my god will this ever end! This is why I hardly come on here and post anymore. Every thread turns into some kind of SE bashing nonsense. I said it before...they said they would give us 2.x and they did...thats not good enough now people want 2.2/2.3. They shouldn't give us our money back because they have delivered what they said they would. They NEVER said we would get froyo or above. We will get some more updates for the X10 before it EOL. And if froyo or gingerbread are not part of it...im totally cool with that.

Agree
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my god will this ever end! This is why I hardly come on here and post anymore. Every thread turns into some kind of SE bashing nonsense. I said it before...they said they would give us 2.x and they did...thats not good enough now people want 2.2/2.3. They shouldn't give us our money back because they have delivered what they said they would. They NEVER said we would get froyo or above. We will get some more updates for the X10 before it EOL. And if froyo or gingerbread are not part of it...im totally cool with that.
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+1 to my fellow well spoken albertan

xperiax10.awesome said:
SONY should return our money back
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As a fellow Singaporean, I'm ashamed that you are making a fool out of yourself here.
Let me get this fact straight -
The initial promise to upgrade WAS because they could not churn out a 2.0 or higher OS and sold us 1.6 instead, so they had to promise us an upgrade.
Being said by an upgrade, there already were hints that it would be 2.1, despite the hordes of kids around the world whining and setting up petitions for 2.2.
This news was all over the net last year. A promised 2.1.
But after that, people got greedy and asked for further upgrades. There WERE lots of topics with people being delusional trying to give themselves hope about having further upgrades.
Some even went ahead and emailed Sony Ericsson, already with replies that "there are no plans of further upgrades" and such, but still, they still maintained in delusion.
you think your $1,088 can last them for 2 years? It's barely 1 month's worth of pay for 1 staff. If they don't come up with new phones with better OS to entice you to buy them, they might close down their company since you won't spend another $1,088 on them for the next 2 years.
If you want a solution to this, fine. Email to them and tell them you don't mind paying them for receiving upgrades. In this case, I'm sure they will churn out a 2.2 exclusively for you.

What I don't get is, why do they have to feed us such bullsh*t about why we aren't getting any more android updates? There's no way they can claim that their ROM is better than vanilla 2.2. Sure, it has a few features that aren't found in stock 2.2, but there's a reason google released 2.2. And there is a reason more than 50% of the current android phones are running on 2.2. We, on the other hand, are stuck on a version of android that was announced before the phone launched. (or around the same time)
I have no problem with no further android os updates, since we can just flash 2.2 roms and soon 2.3. But please, don't give us that nonsense about 'no drastic change in user experience'. Let them admit that they are too lazy to go back and redo Timescape and Mediascape for 2.2 and I'll be happy.
Having said that, I was a happy X10 user until this morning. Now I just feel like an ass for defending my phone against all my friends who have already got 2.2 long ago on their phones and they taunt me with voice actions and flash

xperiax10.awesome said:
SONY should return our money back
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I saw it when it was 1st released at SGD$1088...
IMO, no phones are worth more than SGD$700.

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like little boys comparing the size of their dicks behine the shed. My disck bigger than yours. Grow up

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like little boys comparing the size of their dicks behine the shed. My disck bigger than yours. Grow up
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Keep your dicks to yourself. We are talking about phones here. While I don't agree with the OP about returning money..(seriously..lmao) SE should give us a better explanation..

They should do smthing like iPhone..ppl are getting iPhone4 for iPhone 3GS..(those on contract)
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Keep your dicks to yourself. We are talking about phones here. While I don't agree with the OP about returning money..(seriously..lmao) SE should give us a better explanation..
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+1 SE is too hazy.
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wow, seriously.
everyone should know by now that any tech item you buy, is out dated a few weeks after it's released.
and WHAT IF SE miraculously gives us 2.2, or even 2.3? when 2.4 comes out, are we to complain again?
my x10 came free as an upgrade with my contract. it had 1.6, and att x10's still don't have a native 2.1 upgrade. but again, it's a free phone (yes, i understand that the phone is eventually paid for throughout the contract in some ways).
unless you plan on purchasing a new device every month, don't expect to always have something that is running the latest and greatest. SE would lose money and shut down if they put 100% of their time and effort into 1 device and not into developing new devices. you can't expect SE to update the phone for as long as you decide to keep it.
seriously, why in the hell couldn't commodore release a windows 7 upgrade for the commodore 64?

I'm quite happy, as long as they sort out audio glitches, which I'm sure they will, remember the 0.4 second audio sync problem with video playback?
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I agree to the first thread . The phone is and was to much expensive.
The Hardware in the phone is great, but the service from SE is realy bad ...
I dont think that i will buy a SE phone again.
Launcherpro plus is much! better than the SE Launcher wich is not smooth and lagging ...
The Moxier stuff on the phone sucks and a needed to install 3rd party apps ...
And the Android Version is not up to Date what i would expect for this price ..

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Keep your dicks to yourself. We are talking about phones here. While I don't agree with the OP about returning money..(seriously..lmao) SE should give us a better explanation..
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They really SHOULD give us a better reason. Even lesser phones are getting froyo now, why doesn't this so-called superphone get it too?

Getting Old? Yes. Amusing? Slightly. Annoying? Hell yes

I just have to say, who does sprint feel like they're PR'ing?! I mean really? Cut/Paste + PR =\= happy customers
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Epic is as Epic does (in some some cases, does not)

I found it quite interesting that the T-Mo exec came out and admitted they'd had Froyo from Samsung since late November and they'd dropped the ball on adding their crapola to it. Makes me wonder if Sprint has had it that long as well and has just been dicking around all this time.. almost makes perfect sense with their lack of advertising/acknowledging of the Epic.

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I found it quite interesting that the T-Mo exec came out and admitted they'd had Froyo from Samsung since late November and they'd dropped the ball on adding their crapola to it. Makes me wonder if Sprint has had it that long as well and has just been dicking around all this time.. almost makes perfect sense with their lack of advertising/acknowledging of the Epic.
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I haven't read that yet, but if the T-mo exec came out and said legitimately said that, well KUDOS to them. That is awesome. It would be nice of these other companies were as transparent, although they have all been too quiet for too long.

We all know that the carriers have had it since November. Samsung created a rom based on 2.2 and delivered to carriers in november. Then Z4root came out and was published to the market, allowing anyone running 2.2 to root their phone ridiculously easily. Instead of releasing this update to the public and allowing them to root their phones easily, the carriers told Samsung to go back to the drawing board with 2.2.1, which was the update that Google made to Froyo to specifically combat Z4root. Since November, that is what Samsung has been working on.
At least this is what I gather from all of the information I have read. It makes perfect sense. Its like a perfect storm for the Galaxy S users in the US. Samsung had to basically push out 2 updates to the carriers back to back while the users sit there and think Samsung is still working on the original.

Personally I think it's a matter of too many hands in the cookie jar. I heard from the Denver District Sprint mgr (we're dating) that they've had it since Nov and there are conflicts between sprint id and tw, but samsung won't allow sprint to do anything w/ tw and so Sprint is basically saying "well we won't have our sprint ID, making us money, so we're not releasing it until sprint id works correctly" and sammy says "not touching tw!" And so here we are ... stuck. 2.2 on epic = nukem 4?
(As a side note, nukem 4 is/was released... lol...)
Epic is as Epic does

yet another reason then to just STOP ADDING STUPID CRAP AND LET GOOGLE INNOVATE.

That's disheartening because I want NOTHING to do with sprint id, and I seriously doubt anyone else does either (I've heard nothing but bad things).
Even more troubling...I'm also fairly certain that yes, we will see froyo and eventually gbread...but the only way for sprint to do this is with some extreme bloatware..I can only imagine the end-user horror of modifying touchwiz without actually modifying touchwiz. And that is exactly what adding sprint id would do. So yes, I really do believe the sprint tweet that they're working on it but it needs to pass testing. And I'm also willing to bet my last dollar that their version of touchwiz with sprint id is failing the tests horribly. It kind of all makes sense. Because sprint can't afford to lose much money, so not releasing a bad froyo (ala canadian galaxy s) is an upmost priority.
Which leads me to three feelings.
1. I have to admit its encouraging to see them put a lot of value into quality testing.
2. Reallllllllly reinforces my wanting of carriers to just say fuk the bloatware and give me aosp.
3. And this ones just evil. Just release the faulty software already at the expense of the common user, simply so the devs can get their hands on it and get rid of the crap so I can finally have a bug free froyo.
Humans are selfish after all.
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yet another reason then to just STOP ADDING STUPID CRAP AND LET GOOGLE INNOVATE.
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So google is going to write hardware drivers for hundreds of different devices?

Touchwiz isn't a hardware driver though.
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ansong said:
Touchwiz isn't a hardware driver though.
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You literally think that Samsung has been spending the last 6 months porting Touchwiz to Froyo?
Who writes the drivers for:
display
radio
4g
bluetooth
GPS
etc, etc, etc
Do you know how many different chips and combinations of chips there are that accomplish these various tasks and the multitude of drivers needed to allow the various Android OS' communicate with the hardware? I think its a common misconception that Google just releases an OS that can instantly run on every Android device. Its the same as installing Windows XP on a computer. Sure, it will boot, but your ethernet, graphics card, wifi, etc wont work because there are no drivers.

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You literally think that Samsung has been spending the last 6 months porting Touchwiz to Froyo?
Who writes the drivers for:
display
radio
4g
bluetooth
GPS
etc, etc, etc
Do you know how many different chips and combinations of chips there are that accomplish these various tasks and the multitude of drivers needed to allow the various Android OS' communicate with the hardware? I think its a common misconception that Google just releases an OS that can instantly run on every Android device. Its the same as installing Windows XP on a computer. Sure, it will boot, but your ethernet, graphics card, wifi, etc wont work because there are no drivers.
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I believe what they meant was that Samsung is too concerned with keeping tw launcher and Sprint is too concerned with integrating their stupid Sprint ID feature. Give us Vanilla Android and save the end user some trouble.
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rygran87 said:
I believe what they meant was that Samsung is too concerned with keeping tw launcher and Sprint is too concerned with integrating their stupid Sprint ID feature. Give us Vanilla Android and save the end user some trouble.
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I agree, but even if they did that, its not like we are going to be seeing updates a lot quicker. They still need to either create new drivers or update the ones they are currently using to be completely stable with the new OS. Sure it will shave a little time off of the release not messing around with Sprint ID and TW, which i would love, but they still have to develop drivers.

The final update will not have sprint id. If it were going to have it, I.d. would have been in one of the leaked betas...
Also, whosdaman said it won't either. He's been spot on since launch.
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austin420 said:
The final update will not have sprint id. If it were going to have it, I.d. would have been in one of the leaked betas...
Also, whosdaman said it won't either. He's been spot on since launch.
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I disagree. To me it would make much more sense that sprint would get everything else in 2.2 done and working before messing with sprint id. So just because you didn't see it in a leak, IMO that's not indicative of us not getting sprint id, because I believe they would save it for last.
And don't get me wrong, whosdamans daman. But he prbly doesn't work for sprint. So I'm not gonna jump up and take his word for it.
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acually whosdaman does work for sprint, but i digress. sprtint id will not be in any release. why would they not inclulde it until the end if they are trying to get it to work right?
thats like mcdonalds saying "ok, weve been working on this new hamburger, and its really tasty just how it is, so as you cook it, pour a ****load of salt on it and ruin it.
of course if sprint id was going to be included it would have been included in the betas.

Why is everyonnneeee freaking out??? Gosh does no one here have heart for any of these developers? Look, once its released, who cares about all the added crap because the split second its released, there will be instantly new roms/kernals based off the new froyo (and even could be 2.3 Gingerbread) and will have major new tweaks available for these wonderful developers to get their hands on. Just wait... and stop flaming Sprint because without them we wouldn't even have the Epic to play with right now. I work for customer care and you don't realize how many people don't even KNOW about roms or tweaking. Epics are amazing, and incredibly fast regardless, be lucky that you even have one! And that you have amazing developers here giving u even the opportunity to play with 2.2 before the official release. I wouldn't even be surprised that these developers could port over 2.3 before sprint even releases there's lol.
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Why is everyonnneeee freaking out??? Gosh does no one here have heart for any of these developers? Look, once its released, who cares about all the added crap because the split second its released, there will be instantly new roms/kernals based off the new froyo (and even could be 2.3 Gingerbread) and will have major new tweaks available for these wonderful developers to get their hands on. Just wait... and stop flaming Sprint because without them we wouldn't even have the Epic to play with right now.
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We each pay Sprint over $1000 a year. No thanks.

Jayavarman said:
We each pay Sprint over $1000 a year. No thanks.
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Amen brother
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Jayavarman said:
We each pay Sprint over $1000 a year. No thanks.
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I don't. I have a SERO plan. Whoomp whoomp!

jprocha101 said:
I don't. I have a SERO plan. Whoomp whoomp!
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I'm curious, what does the cheapest version of the SERO plan come out to for the Epic (in real, this is what gets charged on my credit card, money)?
My bill that just came due is $87.84 with an 18% employer discount applied to the base 69.99 plan. That does include a $4.99 monthly "no I won't let you take the money out of my bank account without me pressing a button" charge.