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My disappointment with Sprint and with HTC

I don't know if this is worthy of a new thread or not, if you guys find it not to be then you can delete it. I just wanted to post this so that i can vent my anger out on Sprint and no one besides you guys at XDA would probably care. I am very upset with Sprint and all of their products that i have so far. I got into the smartphone scene with a palm and i had that for quite a while, things worked great on it. Then i made the switch to the HTC Diamond. I was excited for the phone until i got it. It had a huge battery problem, i would probably get 5 hours most on the phone, and it lagged severely. To me, that is a huge problem so if i were with Sprint and HTC i would have fixed that right away. But, alas sprint is not that kind of company, so they left it. Thanks to the developers, they fixed Sprint and HTCs problem.
I then switched to the HTC Hero, again i was very excited for this phone and i saved for quite a while to purchase it. But again, when i got it i was disappointed. The phone lagged more than i expected and again, there was a battery issue. HTC get the hint already, fix your battery scripting. So i did the most sensible thing, i rooted my phone and upgraded with developer roms because it seems developers care more than Sprint.
Now i sit here waiting for Android 2.1 which sprint promises that they will release. I hear so many dates, first one said it was suppose to be released on March 23 and now i hear April 9th. And to make matters even worse, they are now releasing 2 new phones to their lineup. I am excited for these new phones, the nexus one and the EVO, but what the heck sprint, fix your current problems!
I am very interested in the EVO, from what i read, it is suppose to have quite a few cool things. But, i am not going to let the appearance fool me, this phone seems so powerful that sprint isnt gonna be able to handle it and they will release some great looking phone with a ton of problems, and instead of fixing these problems, they'll probably just try to push another phone on us. The Evo says it will have an 8 megapixel camera, seems impressive but the Hero has a 5 megapixel camera, that honestly, is **** without some tweeking to it. So i think an 8 megapixel camera will probably be the same with no fix from sprint or htc. Next, they promise a great processor, this sounds good but to me it sounds like another phone with 5 hours of battery life. I may be wrong but so far htc's previous products are all the same in this field.
I may just ranting but i really needed to get this out, i still don't know why i stick with sprint and htc, i guess i am loyal and i have faith that one day they will listen to their customers and fix their stuff. I don't know if anyone else feels this way too but this is what i have noticed since i got onboard with htc and sprint.

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haha thats great, thanks i need that, haha. if crying gets things fixed with these companies then i am there.

I would imagine that all smartphone get terrible battery life. They are basically pocket-sized computers. It's not just HTC's. They improved the Hero a ton with the US version compared to the Euro one. Maybe switching to a non-smartphone might be your option? I don't know. I can tell you that with 2.1, our Heroes will have better battery life once we get the update. Because these leaked ROMs already do. Anyways, I don't really think Sprint is the problem with the phone. They are just the carrier minus the few apps they install. Do you live in a spot that has good coverage from Sprint? Because I will tell you this...If you have bad coverage, you won't get good battery life. Maybe switching carriers would help. Just my opinion.
-Ken

if you're not satisfied..then go get yourself an iPhone.....end of thread..

well one reason i was upset is with the diamond i had about 4 hours to 5 hours with the phone, sleep or active. I then learned about rooting the phone and i installed a rom that fixed that problem. so my guess was it was some type of scripting error that the companies just never got around to fixing. And i live in AZ, sprint and verizon have the best coverage, the rest suck out here so i wouldnt consider any of them.

What kind of battery problem are you having with the hero? I can easily get through the day on a charge most of the time.
And even when I can't, keeping a second usb cable at my office so I can plug in there every now and then isn't a big deal. I consider it more than a fair trade-off for being able to carry that much computing power in my pocket.
It wasn't all that many years ago that I owned a desktop computer that had a slower processor, less ram, less storage, crappier screen and MUCH slower internet access than what my hero has.
I really don't understand why so many people ***** about "only" one day of battery life. What's so freakin' inconvenient about having your phone plugged in while you sleep?
Hell, when I carried a Treo 650 I had to have my phone plus two spare batteries fully charged when I left the house in the morning if I expected to get through just to the end of the workday. Didn't really bother me, it's just the trade-off I had to make to have the capabilities that it gave me.
It's just basic physics. More processing power uses more electricity. More functionality means that processing power is being utilized even when you're not using the phone. That also costs electricity. Larger screen, you guessed it, needs more electricity. And yet people still demand that their phones be slim and sexy.
You want a phone that does all this cool ****? Well, then be prepared to plug it in every once in awhile. If they made these things with the ability to go 17 days between charges they'd have to be the size of a phone book to accomodate the battery.

someonenewhere said:
if you're not satisfied..then go get yourself an iPhone.....end of thread..
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No reason to be short, I am glad to hear others opinions on Sprint and HTC in general.
On another note, I could never be more satisfied with my phone, rom, battery life, stability, coverage, and rate plan.
Except Im switching to Evo. Lol!

This shows the value and worth of the developer forum. If it had not have been for the developer forums I would have stopped getting smartphones a long time ago.

someonenewhere said:
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Find me one that says "would you like CHEESE with that WHINE?" Lol
Btah
Im sorry experience is so horrible. I dont reccomend an iphone, however, perhaps live with it until Evo or N1? Im quite sure whatever phone you chose will have as many bad reports as good. Keep your chin up kid, this is Android!

well with the hero i had alright battery life, i would get 8 hours to 10 hours until i rooted and switched to the roms which get me a days worth and that is more than enough for me. And i am glad opinions can be shot down with a "purchase the iphone," seems like anyones solution to anything is an iphone

ruben8448 said:
well with the hero i had alright battery life, i would get 8 hours to 10 hours until i rooted and switched to the roms which get me a days worth and that is more than enough for me. And i am glad opinions can be shot down with a "purchase the iphone," seems like anyones solution to anything is an iphone
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My friend, opinions can only be shot down if you let them. Dont feed those trolls, theyll evwntually go away.
Like I said, im sorry to hear your experience has been so bad, but I doubt youll find better.
Besides, the Hero is the hottest topic at any dinner table, with just the name alone.
"what kind of phone do you have?"
"oh, this old thing? this is the HERO!"

ruben8448 said:
well with the hero i had alright battery life, i would get 8 hours to 10 hours until i rooted and switched to the roms which get me a days worth and that is more than enough for me. And i am glad opinions can be shot down with a "purchase the iphone," seems like anyones solution to anything is an iphone
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iphone isn't a bad device, it's popular for a reason. It just wasn't for me. I've generally had good experiences with my hero. Mostly because of xda and a lot of my own work on roms. Android really is an excellent operating platform.

ruben8448 said:
seems like anyones solution to anything is an iphone
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Well, to be fair, it is what everything seems to get compared to.
In all honesty after having carried one for two years, I have to say it's a great phone for its target audience. It's a reasonably capable smartphone that "just works". For non-geeks who want a phone that does all the "cool stuff", I think it's a good fit.
For people like me and the others who seek out forums like this one, it's just about the most frustrating damn phone in the world, though. It sucks having all that processing power in your fingertips but not being able to utilize it fully because Apple has the iPhone ecosystem locked down so tight. Not to mention that if I wanted to write my own software for it, I had to go out and buy a Mac! I had my first basic Android app loaded and running on my hero the same night I brought it home.
As far as your frustration with Sprint and HTC being slow with updates.... Just throw a 2.1 rom from this forum on it and stop worrying. I'm running DamageControl on mine, and I can honestly say I'm not the least bit interested in the official 2.1 update from sprint. There's nothing interesting even rumored to be in it that I don't already have.

Thanks, trust me, i love the hero. And i love XDA, i enjoy coming on this website to find what cool new roms are out and testing them. I think that the EVO may be an even better dinner table discussion, i can picture it now, "hey, is that an HDMI cable input?" "Oh this old thing, yea it is" haha

ruben8448 said:
Thanks, trust me, i love the hero. And i love XDA, i enjoy coming on this website to find what cool new roms are out and testing them. I think that the EVO may be an even better dinner table discussion, i can picture it now, "hey, is that an HDMI cable input?" "Oh this old thing, yea it is" haha
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Lololololololol x1000000000000000000
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Well first I am sure Sprint is trying to work with HTC to fix all the bugs in 2.1. Other phones like Motorola Droid do not come with the sense UI, so HTC needs to have time to incorporate that. I am sure the original date may have been March 23, but like everyone knows some deadlines cant be met. We are not even supposed to know it was to be released that day or April 9. Someone leaks this information and that causes all the problems. Most of the time they dont even know a release date until all the beta testing is done. Stop paying attention to the dates people post. Plus if Sprint released this with bugs everyone would complain. i know one time with the HTC Touch Pro sprint released a ROM early and had to recall it. I dont think they want to do that sort of thing again.
For battery life, get an extended battery. The Sprint Hero uses the same has the HTC TP2 battery and they have a 2000mah battery that is the same size as stock for like $10 and its 500mah more.
As for technology, once you buy the Evo, it will be outdated just like the Hero. Thats part of technology life. be happy if you get 6 month out of your device before there is a better replacement.

subliminalurge said:
Well, to be fair, it is what everything seems to get compared to.
In all honesty after having carried one for two years, I have to say it's a great phone for its target audience. It's a reasonably capable smartphone that "just works". For non-geeks who want a phone that does all the "cool stuff", I think it's a good fit.
For people like me and the others who seek out forums like this one, it's just about the most frustrating damn phone in the world, though. It sucks having all that processing power in your fingertips but not being able to utilize it fully because Apple has the iPhone ecosystem locked down so tight. Not to mention that if I wanted to write my own software for it, I had to go out and buy a Mac! I had my first basic Android app loaded and running on my hero the same night I brought it home.
As far as your frustration with Sprint and HTC being slow with updates.... Just throw a 2.1 rom from this forum on it and stop worrying. I'm running DamageControl on mine, and I can honestly say I'm not the least bit interested in the official 2.1 update from sprint. There's nothing interesting even rumored to be in it that I don't already have.
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Amen. The only way to beat open scource, is to have created the open scource (google, thaose bastards!)
I am apparently the only one without the google sign in error on dcv1...get me my constant trackball, and ill take off and never come back!
..........until evo is released.
Who will chant it with me? C'mon, lemme hear it!
Snapdragon!
Snapdragon!
Snapdragon!
Snap...no one?
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dwertz said:
be happy if you get 6 month out of your device before there is a better replacement.
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6 months?
I've had my hero for just over 2 weeks now, and in that time it's been officially announced that the N1 and EVO are on their way to Sprint.
I couldn't wait any longer, though. My wife and I have been doing without cell phones for awhile since we moved to a new town. I now live a 5 mile drive from even the slightest hint of an AT&T signal, not a good deal for our iPhones. I've been holding out to see what got announced this spring, but nobody was saying anything and impatience finally got the better of me and I decided the Hero would be "just fine". (Which worked out, because none of the announced phones will be on the shelf soon enough that I could have waited anyway.)

dwertz said:
Well first I am sure Sprint is trying to work with HTC to fix all the bugs in 2.1. Other phones like Motorola Droid do not come with the sense UI, so HTC needs to have time to incorporate that. I am sure the original date may have been March 23, but like everyone knows some deadlines cant be met. We are not even supposed to know it was to be released that day or April 9. Someone leaks this information and that causes all the problems. Most of the time they dont even know a release date until all the beta testing is done. Stop paying attention to the dates people post. Plus if Sprint released this with bugs everyone would complain. i know one time with the HTC Touch Pro sprint released a ROM early and had to recall it. I dont think they want to do that sort of thing again.
For battery life, get an extended battery. The Sprint Hero uses the same has the HTC TP2 battery and they have a 2000mah battery that is the same size as stock for like $10 and its 500mah more.
As for technology, once you buy the Evo, it will be outdated just like the Hero. Thats part of technology life. be happy if you get 6 month out of your device before there is a better replacement.
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The Definitive Android 2.1 Upgrade Chart - Updated With User Interfaces

Alright, like everyone else, I have grown tired of all the complaining about the 2.1 update. Yes, I would love to get my hands on the official update as I feel our 2.1 leak was pretty buggy. The devs have done great with what they have to work with, and I love running 2.1 even with some of the quirks that are inherent to a hacked ROM.
What I don't get is how everyone can be so upset with Sprint. Personally, I am on Sprint because they are cheap, and offer good cell phone service where I live. That's it. If you are upset with your carrier (as I was with my extremely high bills on Verizon) then buy out your contract and go to another carrier. However, don't expect that you will get your magical 2.1 upgrade any sooner with any other carrier.
Do most people realize that there is not a single Android phone for sale in America that has ever been upgraded to 2.1 from 1.5 or 1.6? In fact, there are only three phones that have ever even received an Android OS upgrade at all. The T-Mobile G1 (1.0-1.6), the T-Mobile myTouch 3G (1.5-1.6), and the Motorola Droid (2.0-2.1). That's it people.
For all the people blaming Sprint, HTC, or even Sense for how long it's taking them, look around. The T-Mobile G1 and myTouch3G both came out before the Hero, both run vanilla Andoid, and neither of them have been upgraded to 2.1. Just look at all the phones that are still running 1.5 and 1.6.
Personally, I think it will be hilarious if Sprint is the first carrier in America to upgrade a phone from 1.5 to 2.1. If this upgrade happens soon, this will certainly be the case. I just don't get how people can be so upset that we don't have the official 2.1 yet when there are only three phones that have it (two of which launched with it, and one of which launched with 2.0).
I apologize for making a new thread, but I wanted the chart below to have it's own space, and I didn't want it to get buried in one of the many other 2.1 threads. I believe this chart contains every Android phone available on one of the 4 major carriers in America. I compiled this list using wikipedia, so I didn't verify that it is 100% valid. I listed only phones available in America, and cleaned up the formatting to make it useful. Enjoy.
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I Gotta say that no one should be PO'D at Sprint,HTC or any other company for that matter, Sprint is the Best carrier I've been. Quit whining 2.1 will arrive before you all know it. Shut up root your hero while you still can flash a custom 2.1 rom and be happy. i Know im not gonna to upgrade to the official release. Ill wait to one my fav dev's puts out a 2.1 rom based off the otw upgrade with all fat trimmed off so it runs the way it should. So everybody behave your selves the upgrade from sprint will come no doubt, then you can go back to whining about how laggy and buggy your 2.1 hero is.
As for me Im gonna flash toast's new one fresh-toast 1.1, oh maybe something from damageless, oh hey darchstar's got a new one wow decision, decisions, lol

Thanks for doing this.
This definitively shows that the problem is not with Sprint and that manufacturers seem to have decided that there is no benefit to them whatsoever to supporting existing customers. Google is also failing to get the situation under control.
"Want the latest version of Android? Pay up."
That's what this chart says to me, loud and clear.

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I agree upgrade to the latest EVO 4G anyone
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I agree that people should stop whining about 2.1, it's more annoying than the 2.1 posts.

I guess my personal aggravation is the fact that it seems if you don't have the latest and greatest phone through your carrier's catalog you seem to just be cast in the corner. Was it not just 5 months ago the Hero was the savior and pride and joy of sprint's network and now with the evo on its way it's as if were the red headed child sitting in the corner. I agree that when it comes it comes but I just don't like the feel a company gives when they do something like that. Yes market and pay attention to your new toy but don't forget your loyal followers and their needs when we're locked in to at least 12 months with a phone you just called the greatest thing since the last big hit.

Its always been the same with every OS and every carrier. I remember being wint Windows same thing, these company make the money in the hardware not software therefore it's no business sense to give a great deal of support for older hardware. The truth of the matter is that for companies like HTC, people will continue to purchase the latest, even after all the waiting on the Hero most people will still go out and get the Evo. The only company making great support is Apple.

DR.mobbfigga said:
I Gotta say that no one should be PO'D at Sprint,HTC or any other company for that matter, Sprint is the Best carrier I've been. Quit whining 2.1 will arrive before you all know it. Shut up root your hero while you still can flash a custom 2.1 rom and be happy. i Know im not gonna to upgrade to the official release. Ill wait to one my fav dev's puts out a 2.1 rom based off the otw upgrade with all fat trimmed off so it runs the way it should. So everybody behave your selves the upgrade from sprint will come no doubt, then you can go back to whining about how laggy and buggy your 2.1 hero is.
As for me Im gonna flash toast's new one fresh-toast 1.1, oh maybe something from damageless, oh hey darchstar's got a new one wow decision, decisions, lol
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X2 This is what I think too.

ziggy682 said:
Alright, like everyone else, I have grown tired of all the complaining about the 2.1 update. Yes, I would love to get my hands on the official update as I feel our 2.1 leak was pretty buggy. The devs have done great with what they have to work with, and I love running 2.1 even with some of the quirks that are inherent to a hacked ROM.
What I don't get is how everyone can be so upset with Sprint. Personally, I am on Sprint because they are cheap, and offer good cell phone service where I live. That's it. If you are upset with your carrier (as I was with my extremely high bills on Verizon) then buy out your contract and go to another carrier. However, don't expect that you will get your magical 2.1 upgrade any sooner with any other carrier.
Do most people realize that there is not a single Android phone for sale in America that has ever been upgraded to 2.1 from 1.5 or 1.6? In fact, there are only three phones that have ever even received an Android OS upgrade at all. The T-Mobile G1 (1.0-1.6), the T-Mobile myTouch 3G (1.5-1.6), and the Motorola Droid (2.0-2.1). That's it people.
For all the people blaming Sprint, HTC, or even Sense for how long it's taking them, look around. The T-Mobile G1 and myTouch3G both came out before the Hero, both run vanilla Andoid, and neither of them have been upgraded to 2.1. Just look at all the phones that are still running 1.5 and 1.6.
Personally, I think it will be hilarious if Sprint is the first carrier in America to upgrade a phone from 1.5 to 2.1. If this upgrade happens soon, this will certainly be the case. I just don't get how people can be so upset that we don't have the official 2.1 yet when there are only three phones that have it (two of which launched with it, and one of which launched with 2.0).
I apologize for making a new thread, but I wanted the chart below to have it's own space, and I didn't want it to get buried in one of the many other 2.1 threads. I believe this chart contains every Android phone available on one of the 4 major carriers in America. I compiled this list using wikipedia, so I didn't verify that it is 100% valid. I listed only phones available in America, and cleaned up the formatting to make it useful. Enjoy.
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sprint still sucks Di** in my opinion, 2.1 or not

I will tell you why I am upset with sprint over this. It's because sprint in conjunction with HTC and Samsung decided back late last year that instead of doing maintenance updates to fix the known issues with both phones they would upgrade the phones to 2.1 and include the fixes then. This certainly implied some urgency on their part. But apparently none of the companies involved put enough resources into the upgrade. Also this fantasy of doing both phones at the same time tells me they are not interested in getting the updates out as soon as they are available because someone might be upset if one gets done before the other.
I rooted back in Jan and my phone works great. But I also expect when I buy a premium phone that it is supported properly by Sprint and the phone manufactures. If they can't do that then they have failed. I don't care if no other phone has been upgraded to 2.1. Every other carrier in the US has a phone that runs 2.1 yet sprint can't even give us a date to have that option. They have really screwed this up.

Crash83 said:
I guess my personal aggravation is the fact that it seems if you don't have the latest and greatest phone through your carrier's catalog you seem to just be cast in the corner. Was it not just 5 months ago the Hero was the savior and pride and joy of sprint's network and now with the evo on its way it's as if were the red headed child sitting in the corner. I agree that when it comes it comes but I just don't like the feel a company gives when they do something like that. Yes market and pay attention to your new toy but don't forget your loyal followers and their needs when we're locked in to at least 12 months with a phone you just called the greatest thing since the last big hit.
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Always seems like putting money in a salespersons hand causes them amnesia....
Just think of SPRINT as a REALLY BIG salesperson

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Always seems like putting money in a salespersons hand causes them amnesia....
Just think of SPRINT as a REALLY BIG salesperson
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Well since I don't go to salespersons who don't in some way look after my interests that would mean that I wouldn't go back to Sprint. I have no intention of doing that. Sprint provides a quality service at an affordable price. They just can't afford to continue to make mistakes like this or they will continue their decline until they are out of business and I don't want to see that happen.

it's the old "fire and forget" routine.

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"Want the latest version of Android? Pay up."
That's what this chart says to me, loud and clear.
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How?????
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I updated the chart with the type of custom user interfaces run on the various phones in case it has any effect on rolling out OS upgrades.

Ziggy,
Excellent points, thanks for the perspective

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Ziggy,
Excellent points, thanks for the perspective
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Thanks for that.
Completely off topic, but has anyone ever actually had to say "TouchWiz" out loud to someone?
Talk about the worst product name ever. I don't think I could buy a phone with that UI on it, simply because I would be too embarrassed to actually tell anyone that I was playing with my "TouchWiz".

raylusk said:
I will tell you why I am upset with sprint over this. It's because sprint in conjunction with HTC and Samsung decided back late last year that instead of doing maintenance updates to fix the known issues with both phones they would upgrade the phones to 2.1 and include the fixes then. This certainly implied some urgency on their part. But apparently none of the companies involved put enough resources into the upgrade. Also this fantasy of doing both phones at the same time tells me they are not interested in getting the updates out as soon as they are available because someone might be upset if one gets done before the other.
I rooted back in Jan and my phone works great. But I also expect when I buy a premium phone that it is supported properly by Sprint and the phone manufactures. If they can't do that then they have failed. I don't care if no other phone has been upgraded to 2.1. Every other carrier in the US has a phone that runs 2.1 yet sprint can't even give us a date to have that option. They have really screwed this up.
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What the hell? AT&Fee doesn't have a 2.1 device and neither does T-Mobile really. They have the Nexus One, but it is not sold in stores and with all the hardware and software issues, it's not worth mentioning. The only carrier with any 2.1 devices is Verizon and that is just as of now. The MT3G, EVO, and other devices are well on the way.

think of it this way... you're gonna want to run Froyo when it comes out anyway & NO WAY is Sprint or HTC gonna bother with an official upgrade for that. They'll be pushing the EVO/Next Big Thing. Thank goodness for the great developers working on stuff here.

Maybe we should organize a boycott of the Galaxy Tab

I apologize for making another "I'm mad at Samsung for..." thread, but after trying for the past hours to get the JI5 update and failing, I'm a bit angrier than I usually am and want to hurt Samsung somewhere where they will feel it while not going to extremes like trying to organize a class action suit.
Ever since the Galaxy S line came out they really haven't done much to support it except release 3 buggy updates for three of the phones and completely ignore the one that's been out in the States for the longest (until the "made you look" event of today), yet they're so eager to show off that Galaxy Tab that they want everyone to be interested in and buy next month. I suggest simply spreading the word to everyone that no one should but that thing until they at least get their house in order and get the Galaxy S line up to the basic functionality they should have had out of the box. Spread the word that they apparently can't support the products they release and that nobody should touch those things until they can prove they are going to stand behind the products they want us to spend our hard earned money on.
Before some of you start flaming me, I do very well know this is a forum for people who mod their phones and have no intention of staying stock. I mod my phones too. Even with the fixes I've flashed I still have issues with GPS and the phone resetting. I appreciate everything the community has done to help make these phones better and I whole heartedly thank them for doing so, but at the same time there's a whole company with a division of people getting paid to do this that hasn't been able to supply us with one good fix after nearly 3 months time. It's time we should make every potential customer aware of that.

I'm boycotting the U.S. release of the Galaxy Tab, but only because I find the fact that all 4 U.S. carriers disabling the phone functions of the thing (the international version won't have this limitation) as a hugely retarded move.
I'm not interested in carrying around 2 huge slabs-o-touchscreen all the darn time. If I were I'd be an iDiot and worship Steve Jobs.

That's understandable, personally I could care less about being able to make calls on tablet. It's not like you would be able to take calls on both your cell phone and the tablet. And I sure wouldn't care for having another phone number.
I love my iPad btw!

masterotaku said:
I'm boycotting the U.S. release of the Galaxy Tab, but only because I find the fact that all 4 U.S. carriers disabling the phone functions of the thing (the international version won't have this limitation) as a hugely retarded move.
I'm not interested in carrying around 2 huge slabs-o-touchscreen all the darn time. If I were I'd be an iDiot and worship Steve Jobs.
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Why would you carry it around if you can't use it as a phone?
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To be honest I am not surprised they are disabling the calling feature. In fact I would be surprised if they didn't.
I mean I for one wouldn't want to stop using my vibrant to use that giant tablet.
Also no matter what it will have wifi so it can be more like a laptop on the go and playing games on it will be awesome from the looks of it.

Well if they are just disabling the feature then that means the hardware to make calls is still built in so someone could root it and make calls anyway. But I'm still not getting one cause it'll be just like my phone. Tablets are a median of a phone and a notebook but nowadays the Ipad is the best out.
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Can't say I'm feeling pouty and petulant about Samsung in general, but I crossed four Tabs off my Xmas list when they announced the phone functionality was disabled.
As for the frequent comments about the Tab being too large to use as a phone, I use my phone as a speakerphone most of the time, and Bluetooth headsets put the final nail in the coffin for that argument.

I really doubt the S Tab will sell much anyway.
Smaller screen than the iPad, lower resolution, considerably worse battery life, for almost the same price....
Plus, given our experience with Samsung, it will probably not be upgraded to Gingerbread, which according to Google is the first version of Android actually meant for tablets.
Who in their right mind will buy the Tab?

What made me mad is they have more accessories slated for that thing than the very phones they already have out.
Docks, keyboards and all kinds of goodies. Oh yeah they all plug into the bottom of the Tab not the top like our retarded phones.

hurrpancakes said:
Why would you carry it around if you can't use it as a phone?
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Exactly!
Since it's functionally crippled compared to it's European counterpart I don't plan on carrying one around.
It's an interesting device, and will probably have a modicum of success, but the deliberate lockdown of an existing feature is one that makes me uninterested in it.
Given that it's carrier unsubsidized pricing internationally is likely going to make it more expensive than the iPad, if I were to develop an interest in an Android tablet/mid that didn't support phone functions, I'd just SPEND LESS MONEY on a comparable 7" tablet that doesn't have phone functions. There are several...

Huge flaw with Samsung tablet, not sure if mentioned
At the moment pretty much every App available doesn't even support the tablets 1024x600 resolution so they will be to small for the screen or will stretch and look like crap.

demo23019 said:
Huge flaw with Samsung tablet, not sure if mentioned
At the moment pretty much every App available doesn't even support the tablets 1024x600 resolution so they will be to small for the screen or will stretch and look like crap.
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I can make everything in an app support that higher res, and I font even consider myself a dev... More of a file mover.. But there are tutorials and some apps are already compatible...
Remember when donut and froyo came out not all apps were compatible.. Some apps dont work on donut now...
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WTF does this have to do with the Vibrant? Oh, can all of you stop blaming everything on Samsung? It seems like only half the people on this forum has sense and understands that T-Mobile makes the final call on updates.

DKYang said:
WTF does this have to do with the Vibrant? Oh, can all of you stop blaming everything on Samsung? It seems like only half the people on this forum has sense and understands that T-Mobile makes the final call on updates.
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Dude, you are drawn to these threads like a fly is to sh!t!
T-Mobile has its problems, but what about the rest of the companies carrying the Galaxy S? Have any released Froyo, or successful compass fixes?
No? Must be a worldwide carrier conspiracy to make Samsung look bad, by delaying fixes and OS upgrades.....
No, Samsung's track records with product support just sucks. That's why some are pissed.

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Wait a second, let me get this straight. You are upset because an unofficial, probably beta quality firmware wasn't available properly through a piece of software that hasn't been released to the US market yet?

KerryG said:
Wait a second, let me get this straight. You are upset because an unofficial, probably beta quality firmware wasn't available properly through a piece of software that hasn't been released to the US market yet?
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Nice troll, since I don't believe you are actually as stupid as you're trying to get us to believe.
No, we're all pissed off about Samsung's crappy support. I bought a phone with a GPS built in. I can't use my GPS because it doesn't work.
A little fact which has been repeatedly explained to you. So either you choose to ignore it so you can troll more, or you have major issues with reading comprehension, take your pick.
And, as I said elsewhere, no one forced you to bring your fanboi self into this thread.

I'll hold out for MOTO or HTC
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That's great, let's organize a boycott of something that 99.9% of people have no plan to purchase in the first place. In other words, we're going to have to seek out people who want to buy the Tab and then dissuade them. Personally, I think I won't.

psshh, who is gonna buy that over sized phone anyway, too big for been a phone, too small for been a tablet

The Samsung Secret - Why U.S. Galaxy S Phones run Android 2.1 Still

I am cross-posting this from another thread, but thought it needed to be shown here for those that don't venture out to other forums on XDA. It may be true or may not, if this has been posted here before I apologize, but it didn't show up having been here when I made the title.
This same story has also been posted to LifeHacker as factual information: http://lifehacker.com/5736836/this-is-why-your-galaxy-s-phones-havent-updated-past-21
Hello,
I’m going to step across the NDAs and explain the issues behind the Android Froyo update to Samsung Galaxy S phones in the United States. I think most of you have come to this realization yourself now: the withholding of the Froyo update is a largely political one, not a technological one: Froyo runs quite well on Galaxy S phones, as those of you that have run leaked updates may have noticed.
To explain the political situation, first, a primer on how phone firmware upgrades work for carriers. When a carrier decides to sell a phone, a contract is usually written between the phone manufacturer and the carrier. In this contract, the cost of updates (to the carrier) is usually outlined. Updates are usually broken into several types: critical updates, maintenance updates, and feature updates. Critical updates are those that resolve a critical bug in the phone, such as the phone overheating. Maintenance updates involve routine updates to resolve bugs and other issues reported by the carrier. Finally, feature updates add some new feature in software that wasn’t present before. Critical updates are usually free, maintenance updates have some maintenance fee associated with them, and feature updates are usually costly.
In the past, most phone updates would mainly consist of critical and maintenance updates. Carriers almost never want to incur the cost of a feature update because it is of little benefit to them, adds little to the device, and involves a lot of testing on the carrier end. Android has changed the playing field, however – since the Android Open Source Project is constantly being updated, and that information being made widely available to the public, there is pressure for the phone to be constantly updated with the latest version of Android. With most manufacturers, such as HTC, Motorola, etc. This is fine and considered a maintenance upgrade. Samsung, however, considers it a feature update, and requires carriers to pay a per device update fee for each incremental Android update.
Now, here’s where the politics come in: most U.S. carriers aren’t very happy with Samsung’s decision to charge for Android updates as feature updates, especially since they are essentially charging for the Android Open Source Project’s efforts, and the effort on Samsung’s end is rather minimal. As a result of perhaps, corporate collusion, all U.S. carriers have decided to refuse to pay for the Android 2.2 update, in hopes that the devaluation of the Galaxy S line will cause Samsung to drop their fees and give the update to the carriers. The situation has panned out differently in other parts of the world, but this is the situation in the United States.
Some of you might have noticed Verion’s Fascinate updated, but without 2.2 : This is a result of a maintenance agreement Samsung must honor combined with Verizon’s unwillingness to pay the update fees.
In short, Android 2.2 is on hold for Galaxy S phones until the U.S. carriers and Samsung reach a consensus.
Some might wonder why I didn’t deliver this over a more legitimate news channel – the short answer: I don’t want to lose my job. I do, however, appreciate transparency, which is why I'm here.​Source

This has already been posted, and is a horrible rumor at best.

The internet secret. People will believe anything they read.
The internet... apparently it's infallible.

i believe everything I read on the internet.
Did you know aliends built the pyramids!?

Are aliends different from aliens?
Like a new breed?

internet explorer should have a spell checker

Kevin Gossett said:
This has already been posted, and is a horrible rumor at best.
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Proof?
It's annoying how quick you guys are to dismiss something immediately then try to make a joke of it. I never stated it as fact, but it hasn't been shared in this detail on our forums.

tlogank said:
Proof?
It's annoying how quick you guys are to dismiss something immediately then try to make a joke of it. I never stated it as fact, but it hasn't been shared in this detail on our forums.
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The best proof is common sense.
1. Verizon knows what they are doing, before they signed the contract.
2. If Samsung changes the rules mid contract, Verizon is likely to sue them, and Samsung knows this.
3. Were it true, then there would not be new builds being leaked all the time for the other big carriers, and there would not be new Verizon builds (that have not leaked). Yes, all these builds are marked with compile dates. Samsung is not going to tie up their resources on something that is not going to happen due to carriers refusing. They would simply halt all work until a settlement was made.
4. Neither Samsung, nor Verizon would sell docks requiring 2.2 to work properly, if they had not already had a plan to release it in the future.
5. I take the word of an actual Samsung employee who said it was bull****, over an internet rumor.
(new!)
6. Samsung would have taken legal action by now, subpoena'ed XDA, and forced them to hand over the whistle blower's IP address, and made them pull it off the forums. None of which has happened.
People dismiss stuff like this, just like they dismiss tall tales of BigFoot, Aliens, and the Female Orgasm. Actually, that last one is true
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tlogank said:
Proof?
It's annoying how quick you guys are to dismiss something immediately then try to make a joke of it. I never stated it as fact, but it hasn't been shared in this detail on our forums.
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really? After scrolling all the way down to page 2 of this forum, I came across this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916692
I really had to dig for it, though, so I understand why you didn't see it. I mean, who looks at page 2 anyway? Page 1 is where it's at.
Sarcasm aside, yes it has been discussed already in this forum. And on another note, it's annoying how quick some people are to believing things like this. Legitimate reasons have been stated for this not to be true, but the only basis of fact in this is the original poster's word. We aren't being naive, just realistic. And, trust me, these things turn out to be false more often than not anyway.

adrynalyne said:
The best proof is common sense.
1. Verizon knows what they are doing, before they signed the contract.
2. I Samsung changes the rules mid contract, Verizon is likely to sue them, and Samsung knows this.
3. Were it true, then there would not be new builds being leaked all the time for the other big carriers, and there would not be new Verizon builds (that have not leaked). Yes, all these builds are marked with compile dates. Samsung is not going to tie up their resources on something that is not going to happen due to carriers refusing. They would simply halt all work until a settlement was made.
4. Neither Samsung, nor Verizon would sell docks requiring 2.2 to work properly, if they had not already had a plan to release it in the future.
5. I take the word of an actual Samsung employee who said it was bull****, over an internet rumor.
People dismiss stuff like this, just like they dismiss tall tales of BigFoot, Aliens, and the Female Orgasm. Actually, that last one is true
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I fail to see how any of that is common sense.
1. Verizon's contract may have not included these updates as noted.
2. See #1, that by no means suggests anything was changed.
3. Leaked builds by other carriers has no bearing with Verizon.
4. Samsung isn't going to re-invent the wheel for one carrier, and vzw has sold accessories that didn't work properly in the past (Droid X is a good example of a fail on accessory compatibility), and I don't see how samsung is halting anything due to 1 carrier... the vzw contract may require updates to the current OS, they can't simple halt all work, just what isn't paid for which would be completely legal.
5. Your source to everyone else is just as viable as the source in the first post, and not every single samsung employee is aware of every ordeal within a large company.
Honestly, your entire post holds as much validity as the first. I'm not gullible to take any of these as fact... but the first post makes sense, and could very well be true.
Who knows, honestly does anyone care why? It doesn't change anything knowing the truth of why we don't have froyo, nor will it get us froyo any faster.

irascible said:
I fail to see how any of that is common sense.
1. Verizon's contract may have not included these updates as noted.
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No, of course not. They just sold docks expecting not to upgrade to 2.2
3. Leaked builds by other carriers has no bearing with Verizon.
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Nope, but compile dates do. Think hard about this one, its tricky.
4. Samsung isn't going to re-invent the wheel for one carrier, and vzw has sold accessories that didn't work properly in the past (Droid X is a good example of a fail on accessory compatibility), and I don't see how samsung is halting anything due to 1 carrier... the vzw contract may require updates to the current OS, they can't simple halt all work, just what isn't paid for which would be completely legal.
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The accessories require 2.2. They are not broken, they are disabled. I didnt say MRs cease, i said froyo work would cease. By the way, epic fail on you reading the original source that said ALL US carriers were refusing.
5. Your source to everyone else is just as viable as the source in the first post, and not every single samsung employee is aware of every ordeal within a large company.
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My source has turned out to be more reliable than any of these rumor mills. I am not the only one who trusts him.

tlogank said:
Proof?
It's annoying how quick you guys are to dismiss something immediately then try to make a joke of it. I never stated it as fact, but it hasn't been shared in this detail on our forums.
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It's more annoying how quick people are to believe stuff on the internet. There are way too many holes in that story. UK, Indian and Canadian carriers have all released Froyo. It is known to be in testing with all four US carriers. Not to mention Samsung and the carriers are releasing Froyo for other devices.
Not to mention the whole NDA thing. You'd have to be a complete idiot to think posting under an anonymous name on the internet protects you. If it WERE true, he'd already be fired (and probably sued), and Samsung/the carriers' lawyers would've ordered XDA to remove the thread.
Posting the lifehacker link is a joke, they were just tipped and linked to the XDA thread. If it had any semblance of truth, it would've been picked up by a lot more places, and to date I haven't seen it on the android blogs, nor on engadget.

I'm not going to bicker back and forth on hearsay, as it's just childish. However, vzw has made mistakes and sold equipment that wasn't compatible in the past. That's fact, and you can look into the Droid X involving their dock and cases, if you are truly that bored.
What was said, not said, or miss-interpreted is irrelevant. None of it is solid proof or holds any validity, and even if it was... it wouldn't matter.
I said it once, and i'll say it again. It doesn't change anything, we don't have froyo, and it won't get us froyo any faster.
/End

I'm not going to bicker back and forth on hearsay, as it's just childish. However, vzw has made mistakes and sold equipment that wasn't compatible in the past. That's fact, and you can look into the Droid X involving their dock and cases, if you are truly that bored.
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Then stop bickering. Did said DX accessories, have a sticker like this on them? I bet not.

adrynalyne said:
Then stop bickering. Did said DX accessories, have a sticker like this on them? I bet not.
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Nor is the galaxy s only verizon, as the droid x is.. that sticker proves nothing; and you're just arguing for the sake of. So, i'll just let you attack moving forward on your own so you have some sort of fulfillment if that's your goal.

That dock is verizon only, however. If you think that sticker is not an indicator that verizon plans to update to 2.2 which would have been decided prior to release of the device, then you are naive.
The funny thing is, I have not attacked you. You are just unnerved that I disagreed with you. In most places that's called a debate, not an attack.
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iPhone User? 90% Chance You’re On The Latest OS. Android User? 0.4% Chance
Didn't want to start a new topic for this...either way, interesting read:
http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/17/ios-android-breakdown/#

MADDAN18 said:
Didn't want to start a new topic for this...either way, interesting read:
http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/17/ios-android-breakdown/#
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It's a lot easier to keep things updated when you have 4-5 hardware revisions to worry about, and you're also controlling all of the hardware in the device. Android has how many different people making the hardware? And none of the hardware makers write the full software for the phone, only pieces of it. And, those hardware makers are constantly pushing to sell new products, so they have to allocate resources appropriately, and new products will almost always get more attention than old products. If you take into account that Android 2.x is just over a year old, and that it is on >85% of devices, I'd say Android isn't doing to bad. Froyo is just over 8 months old and on >50% of devices, and I'm guessing that when Samsung finishes rolling out Froyo to the SGS phones, that number will jump dramatically.

If this is all true, I am going back to Moto / HTC. This will be my last Samsung. With the Omnia, they did something similar. Takes forever to release an upgrade, I got fed up and went to BB Storm.
tlogank said:
I am cross-posting this from another thread, but thought it needed to be shown here for those that don't venture out to other forums on XDA. It may be true or may not, if this has been posted here before I apologize, but it didn't show up having been here when I made the title.
This same story has also been posted to LifeHacker as factual information: http://lifehacker.com/5736836/this-is-why-your-galaxy-s-phones-havent-updated-past-21
Hello,
I’m going to step across the NDAs and explain the issues behind the Android Froyo update to Samsung Galaxy S phones in the United States. I think most of you have come to this realization yourself now: the withholding of the Froyo update is a largely political one, not a technological one: Froyo runs quite well on Galaxy S phones, as those of you that have run leaked updates may have noticed.
To explain the political situation, first, a primer on how phone firmware upgrades work for carriers. When a carrier decides to sell a phone, a contract is usually written between the phone manufacturer and the carrier. In this contract, the cost of updates (to the carrier) is usually outlined. Updates are usually broken into several types: critical updates, maintenance updates, and feature updates. Critical updates are those that resolve a critical bug in the phone, such as the phone overheating. Maintenance updates involve routine updates to resolve bugs and other issues reported by the carrier. Finally, feature updates add some new feature in software that wasn’t present before. Critical updates are usually free, maintenance updates have some maintenance fee associated with them, and feature updates are usually costly.
In the past, most phone updates would mainly consist of critical and maintenance updates. Carriers almost never want to incur the cost of a feature update because it is of little benefit to them, adds little to the device, and involves a lot of testing on the carrier end. Android has changed the playing field, however – since the Android Open Source Project is constantly being updated, and that information being made widely available to the public, there is pressure for the phone to be constantly updated with the latest version of Android. With most manufacturers, such as HTC, Motorola, etc. This is fine and considered a maintenance upgrade. Samsung, however, considers it a feature update, and requires carriers to pay a per device update fee for each incremental Android update.
Now, here’s where the politics come in: most U.S. carriers aren’t very happy with Samsung’s decision to charge for Android updates as feature updates, especially since they are essentially charging for the Android Open Source Project’s efforts, and the effort on Samsung’s end is rather minimal. As a result of perhaps, corporate collusion, all U.S. carriers have decided to refuse to pay for the Android 2.2 update, in hopes that the devaluation of the Galaxy S line will cause Samsung to drop their fees and give the update to the carriers. The situation has panned out differently in other parts of the world, but this is the situation in the United States.
Some of you might have noticed Verion’s Fascinate updated, but without 2.2 : This is a result of a maintenance agreement Samsung must honor combined with Verizon’s unwillingness to pay the update fees.
In short, Android 2.2 is on hold for Galaxy S phones until the U.S. carriers and Samsung reach a consensus.
Some might wonder why I didn’t deliver this over a more legitimate news channel – the short answer: I don’t want to lose my job. I do, however, appreciate transparency, which is why I'm here.​Source
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Samsung's official response, as posted on Gizmodo:
"Samsung does not charge carriers for updates to new versions of Android.
We are working to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available to all U.S. Galaxy S owners as soon as possible. Due to the complexity and unique functionality of each Galaxy S device, we are performing additional testing. Samsung feels it is important to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available only after we feel that we can give the millions of U.S. Galaxy S owners a simple and reliable upgrade experience."

Lg you are a shame !!!!!

I am pissed off by information that LG G4, the 2015 FLAGSHIP DEVICE from lg is not going to get nougat update .... THIS IS SOME JOKE and lg need to get their s*it together ... What the fu*k LG ???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!???
You put your money to software development for some crappy devices (that apparently will have nougat) of yours that are sh*t and you can not update one of the best devices out there .. even now the G4 is more than better device for most of consumers and IT IS A SHAME to leave behind some of the best phones of the 2015.
There is no explanation for this type of behavior and i will never buy LG .. never again .. fu*k that sh*t ...
Such a beautifull and powerfull phones and such a irresponsibility ...

I suggest voicing your opinon on LGs Twitter feed. They care more there.

klurrant said:
I suggest voicing your opinon on LGs Twitter feed. They care more there.
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Then tell me what they answered. Thanks.

if its true no more LG. we should all let them know in their tweeter account.

Lg doesnt care about your opinion. Never did never will.
When will you guys figure that out. They dont want to support the g4. They want you to upgrade. Its the way of the world. You. Me. Us. Were such a small part of lgs sales. They dont care. They dont need to care. Theyre mobile division is so small compared to theyre tv and apliance divisions. So ure not gonna buy another lg u say. Thats fine by them. Some one else will buy it. Then u got nexus line built by lg
In the end is all your doing is stressing yourself out over a dang phone guys.
There is more to the world springs coming for some of us. Be happy to be alive.

I had HTC, Samsung, LG. When I look back I cannot say that ANY of those vendors doing the android job well. On long term they ALL suck. Why?
I hate to say it but just look at apple. What is one main part of its success? Development of Hardware and OS is in the same house. This way they can support 1 hardware over several releases and totally optimized between hw and software.
Now look at android. Google provides the main development part on Android meaning the software part. Then hardware vendors step in and adjust it to their needs. Up to here everything is fine.
But then Google says they stop MM development and then security fixes. Google say that now the hardware vendors are responsible from now on to provide patches and updates.
But here the story does not end. The hardware vendors work together with service providers like Verizon etc. Now the hardware vendor says oh I'm not responsible for those ! Updates and patches for these models should be made by the service providers instead.. Do you see where this ends?
I can totally understand the Google way but this simple does NOT work.
Example: The moment when Google decides to drop support patching MM with security patches. 90% of the hardware vendors and service providers in the world just stop here. Yes not all. Some do it better some worse but !! they all focus on specific hardware devices only so called flagships mainly.
There are good ones like blackberry out there. I see a big chance for them to get those people want to have not the latest major release but long term updated security patches. Even when Google stops to do it. Problem blackberry sold the hardware part to TCL so no one knows how this will end.
The other only chance I see which totally make sense would be using Google hardware. The way began with nexus and now goes to pixel. I believe that if Google provides updates and patches on long term for its own hardware it can be a valid choice .
I hate apple don't get me wrong. But I love the way they are able to provide software releases.
I strongly believe that my next device will be either an upcoming blackberry or the next Google pixel release..
Just my useless 5 cents..
.
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steadfasterX said:
I hate apple don't get me wrong. But I love the way they are able to provide software releases.
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It's not just Apple - Microsoft are more similar to the Android model (one OS on multiple hardware manufacturers) and when an update is available for Windows, it's available immediately for all installs. Same with games consoles from Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo - no update staggering there either.
When it comes to software updates, Google suck. Not only are updates needlessly staggered, but often features are removed, broken or untested until release then they need to patch it, and given the delays in pushing software updates, many people are left long term with severely bugged software.
steadfasterX said:
I strongly believe that my next device will be either an upcoming blackberry or the next Google pixel release..
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Luckily for me, I don't hate Apple. Also luckily for me, I realise that I use no feature on my phone which is Android specific. I'm so done with Google that my next device is likely to be an iPhone.

TheMadScientist420 said:
Lg doesnt care about your opinion. Never did never will.
When will you guys figure that out. They dont want to support the g4. They want you to upgrade. Its the way of the world. You. Me. Us. Were such a small part of lgs sales. They dont care. They dont need to care. Theyre mobile division is so small compared to theyre tv and apliance divisions. So ure not gonna buy another lg u say. Thats fine by them. Some one else will buy it. Then u got nexus line built by lg
In the end is all your doing is stressing yourself out over a dang phone guys.
There is more to the world springs coming for some of us. Be happy to be alive.
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whos getting a nexus line,? not me. defenitively and its 2 year update cycle inst over it yet. v10 has it worst.

Let's make dozens of topics with the same posts. It is not over until the fat lady sings. Let's suffocate this topic, LG deserves it. Wait, only users that actually look for useful information will find it difficult with all these topics. Just my 2 (euro) cents.

raptorddd said:
whos getting a nexus line,? not me. defenitively and its 2 year update cycle inst over it yet. v10 has it worst.
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Lol. It is a shame. I hate it too. Im on my sprint g4 still on lolipop just so i can have root. Ill never buy a nexus again either. Had to many probs. I guess i came off too strong i wasnt tryin to be rude to no one just state a fact that lg doesnt care about you me or any one other than their greedy selfs

LG, the company i wish i could trust... hmmmm ?

TheMadScientist420 said:
Lol. It is a shame. I hate it too. Im on my sprint g4 still on lolipop just so i can have root. Ill never buy a nexus again either. Had to many probs. I guess i came off too strong i wasnt tryin to be rude to no one just state a fact that lg doesnt care about you me or any one other than their greedy selfs
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agree. they dont care.. not sure if stopped development for G4 would bring more money then no more people choosing LG.

Well, I guess my G4 bootlooped just in time. Just about time to look to other manufacturers. Jokes aside, even if this is not true, I don't think I'll be getting an LG device any time soon. I'm really tempted to explore other options, since my last 2 devices were LG-made.

linasj said:
Well, I guess my G4 bootlooped just in time. Just about time to look to other manufacturers. Jokes aside, even if this is not true, I don't think I'll be getting an LG device any time soon. I'm really tempted to explore other options, since my last 2 devices were LG-made.
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I got me a note5 ive been sportin. And i wish it had knock on but other than that i love it. At least samsung owned up to their mistakes and did somethin bout it. Again not much dev for the sprint model but a new note 7 port came out and just like havin my note7 back but rooted.

Guys, I really don't know now, I just found this:
lge.co.kr/lgekor/main.do , my korean or what the hell this is pretty sht, but google says we will get nougat in Q3, which is pretty damn late if true. I can't make the link clickable so just copy/paste it.

benjybananas said:
Guys, I really don't know now, I just found this:
lge.co.kr/lgekor/main.do , my korean or what the hell this is pretty sht, but google says we will get nougat in Q3, which is pretty damn late if true. I can't make the link clickable so just copy/paste it.
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better late then nothing dont you agree. apparently its true.

raptorddd said:
better late then nothing dont you agree. apparently its true.
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Emphasis on the late here, I mean most people - including me - won't have the phone by then, but hey, at least we will have nougat, which will be most probably sh*t, as they referred to it, but it's something.

benjybananas said:
Emphasis on the late here, I mean most people - including me - won't have the phone by then, but hey, at least we will have nougat, which will be most probably ****, as they referred to it, but it's something.
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See my chat with LG. They don't even know any news about Nougat update for their phones. I know it for other phone but you can ask them about LG G4 they will give the same answer.
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benjybananas said:
Emphasis on the late here, I mean most people - including me - won't have the phone by then, but hey, at least we will have nougat, which will be most probably sh*t, as they referred to it, but it's something.
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but most people will have the phone. and for those that still use this phone its good. we will have to wait and see if its unstable as they said.

INFERNO997 said:
I am pissed off by information that LG G4, the 2015 FLAGSHIP DEVICE from lg is not going to get nougat update .... THIS IS SOME JOKE and lg need to get their s*it together ... What the fu*k LG ???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!???
You put your money to software development for some crappy devices (that apparently will have nougat) of yours that are sh*t and you can not update one of the best devices out there .. even now the G4 is more than better device for most of consumers and IT IS A SHAME to leave behind some of the best phones of the 2015.
There is no explanation for this type of behavior and i will never buy LG .. never again .. fu*k that sh*t ...
Such a beautifull and powerfull phones and such a irresponsibility ...
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/general/official-nougat-g4-v10-q2-2017-t3567402