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so the streak has been released in the US now and for quite some time in the UK/euro and nothing has changed.
we got a few companys making cases that are neither unique or exciting but basically we are still stuck with a niche device with a small user base. now i love my streak but i cant help but feel is only a matter of time before it gets pulled from sale and all support/updates axed. i know at the moment its a hot device but you have to admit there is a air of death in the air compared to say the galaxy S.
i hope im wrong but i really dont think i am.

Isnt 2.2 suppose to be released in September for streaks in America? Then again I don't think it's confirmed. Once 2.2 is out things should speed up also the fact the streak doesn't appeal to a massive audience it seems to appeal more to us geeks that's all we need. It shouldnt be to long before dell release the source i would imagine.
Also no offense to the galaxy s but it has its fair share of problems and that really doesn't do it any favors so I wouldn't be writing about that .
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if Dell get the marketing right they could have a hit on their hands. here in the UK i've been out the field the last week (literally, camping) and the Streak proved it's mettle and a great talking point. now, at this juncture i think Dell suffer a bit from being branded a "box shifter" but i honestly think if Dell get their values correct with the Streak it will be around for a long time.
however, i am the first to admit that Dell does not have a great track record at leading a category - they tend to do whatever Microsoft and intel tell them to do (to the tune of a few tens of millions of dollars if anyone's been following the court case).
you just know when Apple release a 5" pocket computerphone that the pod people will buoy the marketing along for Apple ... Dell just does not inspire that kind of loyalty, or, is/has been getting the grass roots/astroturfing balancing act totally wrong.

It very much reminds me the story of N900.
Great hardware with great potential killed by the lack of interest of manufacturer, caused by the inability of big corporations to follow up on innovation.

I think the reason it does not move so fast at the moment is the lack if an updated os, but having mine for about an week now, I have to say the old os is somehow conceiled very good. The only lacks are the newest features that I have become used to via eclair and froyo..
And I am very sure that a lot of people are waiting to buy until froyo arrives. And as more and more people get tech interested, these " niche" gadgets get more popular.. So my two cents say that Dell will have the success they intended with the device.
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Godo_PPL said:
So my two cents say that Dell will have the success they intended with the device.
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I just don't see it. This device caters to geeks basically. Most consumers don't want a gigantic phone. My personal experiences have been normal consumers saying the device is too big, too ugly, and too niche.

uberamd said:
I just don't see it. This device caters to geeks basically. Most consumers don't want a gigantic phone. My personal experiences have been normal consumers saying the device is too big, too ugly, and too niche.
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This is what I heard from a regular Mac+iPhone user. And non-pocketable.
Until he took streak to a hand noticing how thin it is. And it fits into my pocket! Amazing. And the touch screen is very nice...
Overall reception was "it's not that stupid as it looks"

Godo_PPL said:
I think the reason it does not move so fast at the moment is the lack if an updated os
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It bugs me that so many reviewers cite old "firmware" (presumably they mean OS) as a reason to mark down the Streak. That's a crap reason, and a hallmark of a crap reviewer IMHO. I bought my Streak over the Desire because I knew that any (ok... most) software issues can and will be corrected, either by Dell or by us lot over here... but no software update will allow the Desire to browse the internet so comfortably, or be a reasonable e-reader, or enhance the (slightly) weaker battery, or make it such a beautiful platform for CoPilot, etc. In face, the only thing I did not like was the proprietary connector (because that can't be fixed by software). That is, until I found out it's a PDMI port.
A friend of mine recently crowed about updating his Desire to Froyo. I asked if it'd upgraded him to a 5" screen. He looked sad.
I just can't help feeling that over the next few months, we will find the Streak becoming greater and greater as cooked ROMs emerge. Good times ahead.

Honestly I think our best hope for Froyo is to keep bugging Dell about their GPL violations until they release their source so the community can get it up and running themselves (and yes, that's not such a great option either). Given what I have seen so far, I wouldn't really trust Dell on this.

flumps said:
so the streak has been released in the US now and for quite some time in the UK/euro and nothing has changed.
we got a few companys making cases that are neither unique or exciting but basically we are still stuck with a niche device with a small user base. now i love my streak but i cant help but feel is only a matter of time before it gets pulled from sale and all support/updates axed. i know at the moment its a hot device but you have to admit there is a air of death in the air compared to say the galaxy S.
i hope im wrong but i really dont think i am.
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You are not wrong. And that's why I haven't bought one yet. I even get a 10% Dell discount because I'm a student. But the lack of buzz and adoption of the Streak almost guarantees it to obscurity or failure. At that time I'll happily pick one up. I feel it's just priced too high and will slide down the closer we get to super/hot/awesome/fire greatness or the next thing. I'd like it to succeed as well, but I think Dell has screwed this from the start.

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I just don't see it. This device caters to geeks basically. Most consumers don't want a gigantic phone. My personal experiences have been normal consumers saying the device is too big, too ugly, and too niche.
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I will assume the idea from Dell was not to release this as an "mainstream" device, but a device to appeal to geeks and such. It is no way that Dell thinks 5" is a phone for the mass market!
I am pretty sure this is a device launched to make Dell look like an serious actor to be reckoned with in the future. Genius would I say starting on the top of the pack.
But, just my opinion....
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bmstrong said:
I feel it's just priced too high and will slide down the closer we get to super/hot/awesome/fire greatness or the next thing.
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Well you get a lot more for your money than an HTC Desire, Samsung Galaxy or an iphone,
suposed to be the greatest phones ever
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the Streak makes them look 'tacky n nasty little boys toys', which is what they are.
The Streak is like owning a top of the range BMW, you're not going to find accessories for it in Halfords/Wallmart

With a lot of bug...

I think the real failure in north america is the device is locked to at&t used only.
At the end, it's a nice device to have.

I think that is a good product too but the network driver is very buggy in 2.1 (8023) and if this release is the final release, it's a very bad things....
It is BMW not finished.....

mirrdhyn said:
the network driver is very buggy in 2.1 (8023) and if this release is the final release, it's a very bad things....
It is BMW not finished.....
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Well that's not finished yet either you muppet.
I don't think i've ever visited a forum where people download an OBVIOUSLY UNFINISHED AND UNTESTED ITEM then all winge about it
All the BS about it being official and how you should send the 'leaker' a donation makes me want to puke.
NEWS: the official one (when released) will be mentioned on the official websites, them being Dell or 02 themselves which will have a link, might be a bit obvious for some!
If Dell Streak owners are all that gullible, i'm going to start buying all the old first release 1.6 seconhand ones on ebay i can find, install 2.1 then sell them as BNIB just delivered from factory. As they obviously believe everything they are told.

In the End
I'm going with ATT, t-mobile is foobared on this phone

mirrdhyn said:
I think that is a good product too but the network driver is very buggy in 2.1 (8023) and if this release is the final release, it's a very bad things....
It is BMW not finished.....
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On my X5 they had to exchange 2 shocks in the first 18 months (fortunately they did for free even though after the warranty expired).
Besides, was there ever a perfect product?? Look at the iphone, took them a whole year just to get cut and paste, 3 years to get even basic multi-tasking.

cut and paste are not here on my Dell Streak...
Only on specific application but not on email...
Yes, I know that this build is a "beta" but from this topic and an other this build (8023) is a GM build, isn't it ?
So, If this build is a GM, I think the network driver is not finished, that all !
I have full network at home with my iPhone and my HTC and my Dell Streak too, but I lost the network on my Dell Streak frequently...

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Besides, was there ever a perfect product?? Look at the iphone, took them a whole year just to get cut and paste, 3 years to get even basic multi-tasking.
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And it's still a pos, totally buoyed up by advertising and hype....
I think it's cool that the streak it's under promoted.. makes me laugh when people ask if it's an iPhone, then when I laugh ask is it a HTC then?
Tbh community is what makes a great device, I've said it before and will repeat it again, dell could really do something amazing and really get involved with the community to work together to make it an amazing device..
experts knowledge and volunteer enthusiasm makes a formidable team.

Interesting thread about Bell Vibrant issues

I guess following thread is a very good example of how civilized people deal with issues. Samsung is in question.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883820
May be we need to start campaign about Froyo/Gingerbread using same tactics?
That was promised and a lot of hardware were bought because of this. Time to hold promises!
It's a little bit to late (because some variants are already got/getting Froyo), but there is a chance consolidate across all variants.

CNemo7539 said:
May be we need to start campaign about Froyo/Gingerbread using same tactics?
That was promised and a lot of hardware were bought because of this. Time to hold promises!
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That thread is because of real failures on the device, rendering them unusable. Sorry, but you're a fool if you purchased a device because it might get an update, it's not Samsung's fault.
I'm getting a bit frustrated waiting for this update because there are things popping up that require Froyo, but some of these comments/threads on a number of forums are just silly.
By all means, make yourself heard, but the lack of Froyo doesn't render the device unusable.

Verizon will give it to us when they are satisfied with the build. A 1960's hippie movement will not get it here any faster.
I am fine with 2.1 myself.
good day.

J Shed said:
That thread is because of real failures on the device, rendering them unusable. Sorry, but you're a fool if you purchased a device because it might get an update, it's not Samsung's fault.
I'm getting a bit frustrated waiting for this update because there are things popping up that require Froyo, but some of these comments/threads on a number of forums are just silly.
By all means, make yourself heard, but the lack of Froyo doesn't render the device unusable.
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My phone USB failed few days ago. I have thread here, trying to get additional information if others have similar problems. That said VZ already send another one for free. I do not know yet if it is new or refarb.
What I think is that, promise is what it is. I didn't pushed them to promise anything. But, getting normal support for device is something I've assumed at the time of purchase phone + dock + other crap. Would I know that everything is so slow, I might got another phone. I think I'm not alone here.

CNemo7539 said:
My phone USB failed few days ago. I have thread here, trying to get additional information if others have similar problems. That said VZ already send another one for free. I do not know yet if it is new or refarb.
What I think is that, promise is what it is. I didn't pushed them to promise anything. But, getting normal support for device is something I've assumed at the time of purchase phone + dock + other crap. Would I know that everything is so slow, I might got another phone. I think I'm not alone here.
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They committed to releasing the update, they gave an estimated time frame for release, they didn't PROMISE anything. Froyo is coming, but the lack of it doesn't mean your phone doesn't work. Updates aren't normal support, they're updates. 2.2 is not required for the phone to function.
The funny thing is you're absolutely not alone (pretty sure I made that clear in my OP), it's just getting ridiculous some of the things people are demanding. It's not Samsung, nor Verizon's fault you purchased a device based on what it might be. That's your fault, period. I purchased this phone for what it was the day I got it, not for some dream land a few months down the road.

I feel about this a little bit differently, looking at the back of my phone dock. It has easy readable label saying that some functionality will be available when 2.2 update released. And it was promised SHORTLY. So shortly, that people found it OK to hold over 30 days grace period.
Overall I do not think it silly to expect something. I DO EXPECT that MS will patch Windows, Live etc. I DO EXPECT that HP, Dell and others update drivers. This practice exists for years now.
I do not know why it sounds funny when I expect that Samsung or VZ will fix GPS and other issues?
It is not that I'm screaming for update right now. But some clarity about situation will be greatly appreciated. Neither VZ nor Samsung didn't stepped down from their heights to inform us, mere mortals.

chopper the dog said:
A 1960's hippie movement will not get it here any faster.
good day.
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What if you ARE a 1960's hippie though?
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CNemo7539 said:
It is not that I'm screaming for update right now. But some clarity about situation will be greatly appreciated. Neither VZ nor Samsung didn't stepped down from their heights to inform us, mere mortals.
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This is fair, but can you name companies that do this? Unfortunately it's very rare.
They can't give you a set ETA (software is such that you can't give out fixed dates until it's done), nor can they really tell you what they're working on/why it's delayed (would you really understand if they did tell you?). The best they could tell you is "we're working on it," and unless you live in a cave (or subscribe to one of the ridiculous conspiracy theories), you already know that.
And again, YOU deciding to hang onto the dock is your fault, not Samsung's. At 29 days, you could've strolled into the VZW store, and returned it. And again, they will release Froyo for the Verizon Samsung Fascinate. If they do not, they will be in real legal trouble because suddenly, you'd have a case for a class action lawsuit because of your dock.

J Shed said:
This is fair, but can you name companies that do this? Unfortunately it's very rare.
They can't give you a set ETA (software is such that you can't give out fixed dates until it's done), nor can they really tell you what they're working on/why it's delayed (would you really understand if they did tell you?). The best they could tell you is "we're working on it," and unless you live in a cave (or subscribe to one of the ridiculous conspiracy theories), you already know that.
And again, YOU deciding to hang onto the dock is your fault, not Samsung's. At 29 days, you could've strolled into the VZW store, and returned it. And again, they will release Froyo for the Verizon Samsung Fascinate. If they do not, they will be in real legal trouble because suddenly, you'd have a case for a class action lawsuit because of your dock.
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Believe it or not, I'm in IT... And I tell you - there is always deadlines and dates are set in stone. Moreover, public beta will settle all worries. It is easy way to show to average public what company does and where it stays at the moment. That is how other companies handle same problems. MS with SP betas is good sample. Even secretive Apple does it!
I guess, we have a case for class action. I just wonder for how long we should wait before initiating it? As of now, we have a pretty good reason to believe that time for Froyo is gone, because Gingerbread is out and Samsung has it. Do you see my point?
As to return... Well, it not going to happen in the future. I'm going to stay away from Samsung products. Unfortunately I cannot leave VZ.

CNemo7539 said:
Believe it or not, I'm in IT... And I tell you - there is always deadlines and dates are set in stone.
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"IT" and software development are not the same thing.
Public beta works with basic software, and even some OSes, not with phones. You release a public beta that has a bug that can brick your phone, and you're screwed. It's MUCH more difficult to fix a bricked phone than it is to fix a desktop that won't boot properly.
You don't have a case, yet. If Samsung fails to deliver 2.2, then you will, not until then.

J Shed said:
"IT" and software development are not the same thing.
Public beta works with basic software, and even some OSes, not with phones. You release a public beta that has a bug that can brick your phone, and you're screwed. It's MUCH more difficult to fix a bricked phone than it is to fix a desktop that won't boot properly.
You don't have a case, yet. If Samsung fails to deliver 2.2, then you will, not until then.
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No need to explain what exactly I do. It is development.
Go to Apple site and figure out how they deploy public betas for iOS. Nobody complains about broken phones. I never heard about this.
Hell!!! Film the video for youtube if not anything else! Show prototypes in the stores! Even this will be better then noting! Release official statement. Just do not sit like cat in the sand!
They simply are not willing to do anything, because they got their money already.
And could you please define "fails to deliver"? As far as I'm concerned they pretty much failed. Froyo was released and pulled off several times on other SGS phones. And they have Froyo on tab, which essentially same hardware. What is this?
Though I might consider it as showing progress ;-) Problem is that at such pace phone will physically pass out sooner then we get update.

Believe it or not, I am actually trying to get them into admitting that Froyo will not be released.
I got one rep who replied to say it, however, she doesn't know wtf she is talking about. Depending on their next few replies if whether I crack the email open and send it to the major blog sites.
I am trying to get someone who actually knows something to admit that 2.2 is not coming. We shall see. Past that, you are right, there is not a damn thing we can do until its determined that its NOT coming out.

J Shed said:
2.2 is not required for the phone to function.
It's not Samsung, nor Verizon's fault you purchased a device based on what it might be.
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Tell that to the hundreds of thousands who bought a cradle with a sticker on it saying "2.2 required for this to function".
Is that their fault they received a product which doesn't work as advertised, just to open the box up to a "gotch'ya!" sticker?
Is that somehow not Samsung nor Verizon's fault, too?
Sometimes I wonder how often people on here ever take responsibility, seeing as they are so quick to make excuses and attack those wronged. You would all do well in politics or customer service; Neither party holds anyone accountable for their false promises.

The problem is, until they admit that its not being released, they have us all on a technicality, that coming soon has no defined time frame. Leaked internal documents are likely not admissible in a lawsuit.
Its ****ty, its unethical, but it is what it is.
I am just as angry as well.

According the news, Samsung is going to introduce Galaxy S ancestor in Barcelona in February. So, I guess first Galaxy S lifespan is even shorter than I've expected. Sure, it is because was VZ was late to the game. Churning out new models at such pace doesn't leave time to support old ones.

Galaxy s is like lexus to toyota. It's just a line of phones from samsung which are high end.
Adrynalyne is right when he says that there is nothing that we can do but make them admit that nothing is coming out...

CNemo7539 said:
No need to explain what exactly I do. It is development.
Go to Apple site and figure out how they deploy public betas for iOS. Nobody complains about broken phones. I never heard about this.
Hell!!! Film the video for youtube if not anything else! Show prototypes in the stores! Even this will be better then noting! Release official statement. Just do not sit like cat in the sand!
They simply are not willing to do anything, because they got their money already.
And could you please define "fails to deliver"? As far as I'm concerned they pretty much failed. Froyo was released and pulled off several times on other SGS phones. And they have Froyo on tab, which essentially same hardware. What is this?
Though I might consider it as showing progress ;-) Problem is that at such pace phone will physically pass out sooner then we get update.
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Funny you mention apple, and then in the same breath you talk about making phones obsolete.
Apple and Samsung are apples and oranges (lol). Apple has ONE phone (3 if you want to count the og, 3g, and 3gs, but those are mostly obsolete), Samsung has at least 4 or 5 in the US alone. Each on different networks, and with differing software setups (bloatware). How again are they going to ensure they don't start ****ing **** up if they push a public beta? Trust me, I'd LOVE if they did that, but it's an unrealistic expectation.
And "fails to deliver" means it doesn't come, at all, ever, period. When they admit to freezing development and NOT releasing anything past 2.1, then everyone who purchased a dock has a case for a class action lawsuit.
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Tell that to the hundreds of thousands who bought a cradle with a sticker on it saying "2.2 required for this to function".
Is that their fault they received a product which doesn't work as advertised, just to open the box up to a "gotch'ya!" sticker?
Is that somehow not Samsung nor Verizon's fault, too?
Sometimes I wonder how often people on here ever take responsibility, seeing as they are so quick to make excuses and attack those wronged. You would all do well in politics or customer service; Neither party holds anyone accountable for their false promises.
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Don't talk to me about accountability when you are so eager to blame someone else for your failure to return a product you weren't satisfied with. It's also your fault you decided to wait it out for Froyo.
You chose to wait, that's on you. So now it's a matter of you waiting for them to release 2.2+, or them to admit they won't release it.
I'm not defending anyone, I'm just tired of the stupid crap I'm seeing from people over this update. I didn't buy that dock because I think it's a piece of crap, regardless of the fact the 3.5mm jack doesn't work (which, BTW, sounds like it's the ONLY thing not working, it charges the phone, displays the dock program).

RacerXFD said:
Galaxy s is like lexus to toyota. It's just a line of phones from samsung which are high end.
Adrynalyne is right when he says that there is nothing that we can do but make them admit that nothing is coming out...
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I guess we are getting away from the intended topic. This might be my fault, if I not expressed clearly.
If adrynalyne is talking to somebody at Samsung, would be nice if he can share that person contact. I guess idea is to have one single point of force application.
Even if that person is brainless office droid, he will have to report up at some point, if number and intensity of complaints is over some threshold.
Could we here formulate some collective message and start pushing it from different emails?

I'd just like to use the 3.5mm audio out on my dock, have map rotation gesture working in maps and get chrome to phone back; new gmail client would be a nice upgrade... Hopefully it will happen someday...
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Just another point of view

First of all, i have an Evo...before anyone says apple fanboy. Call me whatever you would like, however. So anyways, why do you guys hate on apple so much? They have way better products than anyone out there.
Take for example..motorola xoom. 800$ for dual core tablet. Se? 800? Why not just buy a really good laptop? The ipad 2 starts out at 499, for 16gb. It has a dual core chip, two cameras..anything you would want from a tablet computer. Granted it does run Apple's software, but you seriously can't hate on a device that is way better than any out there.
The pricing is better.
The product is better.
The aftermarket is better.
The design is better.
The battery life is WAY better.
And before someone says, you will just have to replace it in a year..so what? You have to replace anything within a year. One month after you buy something (especially on verizon!) you are already outdated. You have (Motorola, Samsung, Rim, and god knows who else making all these tablets). At least you have one company only making one design a year. They update their technology, and they make it good. Android phones get a new one every freaking month, and they are all looking the same. When you have different companies making different stuff, they shouldn't look the same. Can you say copycat much?
Get over yourselves.

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Just sayin...

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First of all, i have an Evo...before anyone says apple fanboy. Call me whatever you would like, however. So anyways, why do you guys hate on apple so much? They have way better products than anyone out there.
Take for example..motorola xoom. 800$ for dual core tablet. Se? 800? Why not just buy a really good laptop? The ipad 2 starts out at 499, for 16gb. It has a dual core chip, two cameras..anything you would want from a tablet computer. Granted it does run Apple's software, but you seriously can't hate on a device that is way better than any out there.
The pricing is better.
The product is better.
The aftermarket is better.
The design is better.
The battery life is WAY better.
And before someone says, you will just have to replace it in a year..so what? You have to replace anything within a year. One month after you buy something (especially on verizon!) you are already outdated. You have (Motorola, Samsung, Rim, and god knows who else making all these tablets). At least you have one company only making one design a year. They update their technology, and they make it good. Android phones get a new one every freaking month, and they are all looking the same. When you have different companies making different stuff, they shouldn't look the same. Can you say copycat much?
Get over yourselves.
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I don't know why would set yourself up to get flamed on this because you know its gonna happen, but whatever floats your boat. I'm not gonna hate on you for liking Apple but I do think that you missed a few things.
-Android is more customizable since it is open source.
-The majority of Apples product line is not better priced than its competitor's.
-The specs on Apples stuff becomes outdated very quickly, many times you can buy something non-apple cheaper that is spec wise a lot better and it won't cost your near as much.
The only things that I can agree with you on is that yes Apple design is better, and also the support for their products is much better, but with a significant price difference usually.
I think it really comes down to preference in the end. IMHO people fall in love with Apple products because they are easier to use, there is not a lot of complication in doing some things. IOS vs. Android, you have the people who want to be able to have a smartphone and dig the ease of things in IOS, then you have Android which is more complicated but you can do a lot more with it. So you could call the IPhone the smartphone for "dummies" and then Android is for the more tech advanced crowd that likes to customize everything to how they want it. I am not trying to step on anyone here but, that is just how I see it and I think many others would agree.
PS- I am not here to argue about which is better, so if your gonna start trying to flame on me don't expect another post from me.

What's with all these random threads?
****, you're cluttering up the forums!
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What a snorefest. I hope you guys have fun arguing the same **** over and over.
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Mods, please close this thread so the troll can stop eating.

I am not trolling, i am pointing out good issues. I am sorry that you are such a android fanboy where you cannot take criticism and realize when you are wrong.

backdown said:
I am not trolling, i am pointing out good issues. I am sorry that you are such a android fanboy where you cannot take criticism and realize when you are wrong.
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not true.. because pricing has not officially announced.

I don't get why people "hate" anything product related. If you don't want it, don't buy it. Saying anything sucks without owning one for a long period of time is just people being petty, immature, and possibly jealous.
It's one thing to be brand loyal, but don't be a moron about it. Think about if everything were the same. It would suck. The fact that there are different brands and items is a good thing. We should want more diversity, not less.

I don't really *hate* Apple. I just don't like the way they do business. It doesn't appeal to me. They lie about the competition, present the worst case scenario as the norm, lock everything down, and charge a premium for cosmetic differences.
I could buy a Mac Pro laptop for $1200 or I could buy an Asus laptop with the same specs PLUS an iPad or Galaxy Tab for the same price. It's not worth it to me to have an aluminum case and a slightly better fit and finish. For some folks it is worth it. People buy Mercedes and BMW and that's their business. I just don't like the implication that unless you buy into their closed ecosystem you are stuck with something that is falling apart and complete garbage. There's always something in between the bargain basement crap and the fancy boutique offering.
Xoom has a bit higher specs than the iPad 2 but yeah, it's a bit overpriced. The thing is, it's not just Apple that prices high when something is new. The Viewsonic G-Tablet has almost identical specs to the iPad 2 and it's $400. As the market heats up there should be plenty of $500 tablets.
And they *will* do more to replace a laptop. They run all kinds of apps from any app store, not only the Apple or Google or whoever approved store. They don't block competing tech like Flash which is used on a ton of web apps. Not everyone wants to sacrifice capability just so things are idiot-simple.
This is the only time when I really get annoyed at Apple. They make certain simple things sound so hard in order to sell their products. Rather than spending 15 minutes to learn valuable computer skills, they'll just take away options and charge you for the privilege. Screw that. Paying extra so I don't have to think is not a good thing and the idea that it is a good thing irritates the crap out of me. People are way too eager to open their wallets to avoid using their brains as it is. On a personal level that annoys me.
If you think I'm too stupid to decide what apps to install or what kinds of things I want to run on the devices I can buy, then you can do without my stupid money.
Anyway that's all personal ranting. There's always a market for people with more cash than time or effort. It's legit. It's just not the only way to look at things and it's not for me. I like to bargain shop, compare features/specs, and go for bang to buck ratio. That's just not usually an option with Apple.
Besides all of my personal preferences, I don't really give a crap where other people spend their money. As long as there are options that suit me better I am happy. Tech geeks can argue about why they make the choices they do all day. It's our hobby to research and compare so we stand behind our decisions. It can get irrational and I'm no better. In the end it's just consumer electronics made by greedy corporations and they will probably all gain sentience and kill us all anyway.

^ This guy
Couldn't have said it better

neodorian said:
I don't really *hate* Apple. I just don't like the way they do business.
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This. Although I am posting this from one of my 2 macbook pros. As a designer, I can't get used to Windows, but the above applies to the rest of their business.

Digging deep in my fail bank today. These threads are getting a little crazy today.

****tards need to quit starting threads just to start ****.

joehunni said:
****tards need to quit starting threads just to start ****.
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I agree with this. Let's not forget this is an Evo forum, for discussion of the Evo. Let's not clutter it up with threads of non-relevant devices. There's an off-topic thread if you want to do that.

Wow, so silly. You are a troll, speaking in absolutes, and without facts.
The xoom 32gb wifi + 3g that is 800 has a slightly larger screen, and is upgradeable to 4g for no additional cost.
The ipad2 32gb wifi + 3g is 730.
If you are arguing options, that is one thing, but it doesn't make sense to compare different storage sizes and complain about the price difference.
If you took 4g out of the picture, the xoom 32gb would be cheaper than 800. Both are dual core. They are both simarly speced and priced products.

Since you asked, yes Apple has good products and eco systems. What I personally don't like are their practices which are worse than anything Microsoft ever done.

I hate Apple because they act as though customers are lucky to be holding one of their products in their hand instead of the company feeling lucky that they have the customer.

The only thing that apple does that I'd like to see other manufacturers do themselves is make near-perfect hardware. The build quality of apple products is without rival and I wish HTC would attempt to come close to that.

Goodbye ASUS and Android

No more ASUS for me

Never posted before, but what a silly post. Perhaps Microsoft should not develop any further versions of windows as it will 'harm' their past users? Perhaps no-one should develop any new technology as some will be left behind, perhaps we should have stuck to bows and arrows? It is well known that Android is a more fragmented eco system than Apple. Perhaps you should have thought about this more and researched your purchase a little better. You sound more suited to Apple quite honestly, fanboy in the making.

Meh. Whatever. Have fun with Apple. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".

just lou said:
It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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Yes, i opened the thread believing it contained something positive regarding Asus and Google. Instead i was rewarded with petty drivel.

If you're looking for somebody to talk you out of it (which you must be, you wouldn't have made a post otherwise), don't bother looking. We don't need you to stay. Go ahead and jump.
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just lou said:
It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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Lol...funny i was thinking something similar. Funny thread.
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to me the TF was a "good buy"

baseballfanz said:
to me the TF was a "good buy"
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had to thank that 1 lol
i love my TF ICS or not

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
I find it funny about his complaints of Asus/Android. It's not a flaw of Android by any means.
Should Android stop releasing operating systems? No! They have nothing to do with hardware. Their goal is to develop competent software with reasonable releases, and they do that.
This intermediate time of merging the software onto the hardware? Yes, it is annoying, but it's expected. Android releases their software at the same time to EVERYONE. It takes time to develop the OS for a product. This time exists in Apple products as well most likely, but Apple has the fortunate benefit of not releasing the software until AFTER it has been fitted for the limited number of devices they control, because they are both a hardware AND software company.
Give it time. ICS will be here eventually. I'm patient. In the meantime, I will keep running paulbrennan's build and enjoy what we already have.

2011CorvetteZR1 said:
I, for one, have had enough with Android and Google. Android/Google are forever building new versions of code that manufacturing companies can not keep up with.
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And what do you think, other developers do what? Apple does the same (no wonder the old iPhones aren't supported by iOS4 and 5), just like Microsoft, Samsung, Nokia, etcetera.
New codebase is the key to the future - with new functions built in, it can be a more widespread generic base, where manufacturers have less to modify to make their own taste. And manufacturers aren't able to keep up? Seriously, if they only made a device tree, and sent it to Cyanogen Team with a few test devices, they'd have more profit than ever. They could keep up, and they are not willing to do so because then the newer devices wouldn't sell. Just like Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, etc.
Manufacturer's are not going to spend profits on older products, they already got your money! Why is Google forever coming up with new versions? Android is in developement and always trying to be like Apple. I am an android developer and thought I would be happy with developing for 50% of the market users. 50% of the market users but in the corporate world the ratio is much different.
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The Android Market has millions of devices connected (I recall someone saying over 300million). So to target only the 50%, you'd have to make an application what is useful for almost everyone. Then count with the other devs who thought about the same, and you'll drop below 20% in the most optimistic case. You can never reach 50% if you're not a name already (like EA Games, Gameloft, and other huge companies). Or if you can't afford heavy marketing, adverts, etc.
Companies that provide employees with phones and tablets is where Apple rules. Why is that? Apple products are just better. They are not cheap plastic, creaky things where every one if different and not hardly one is on the same version. I do not have an iPhone because I refuse to pay carrier's pricing but all I want from a phone is phone calls, gps, access to emails, and some web browsing.
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WRONG. Companies buy iPhones for their employees because they have contracts with a given carrier. They get them in huge numbers for cheap, because Apple is pushing them (the carriers). They get huge bonuses just because that, not to talk about a lot bigger user base.
Apple things don't rule. They are made of the same plastic, metal, and other parts (ICs, SoCs, etc), as 99% of these are manufactured in China, even assembled in China! There was a picture, where it showed that the same factory was producing iPhones on a line, and next to it were cheap tablets and phones and mp4 players, and they were using the same material, electronics, etc.
At Apple, Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, and so on, you're paying for the brand - actually, some of the Chinese stuff can be better for half the price. Justsayin'
Phones are not game systems or video players - I am not going to watch a full length movie on a 4" screen.
Tablets on the other hand might be video players and I might play a game and I certainly will surf the web and read emails.
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Phones aren't, you're right, but when you're on the bus for 30mins, sitting in a line for the dentist, and so on, you can't have your xbox, ps3, wii with you. But you have your phone. So it's a fine time to watch a short movie (an episode of some series, etc), or play something funny (Angry Birds for an example).
Tablets are the same, except bigger, and you can use them as a smaller form PC or laptop.
I do not have an iPAD because I thought android was better. It is not and is always trying to one up Apple but Google can not even catch up to Apple nevermind get ahead of them.
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Then you think wrong. Both sides have their own pros and cons, but Google is definitely ruling Apple with Android, for the first time. There were more Android phone activations just during the holidays, than iPhone sales during a YEAR.
I had high hopes for ICS but doubt it will ever come on h/w that I already own - thanks ASUS, but I understand. Why no ICS yet? Because ASUS is working on their next device as they try to make a better product than Apple.
Interesting, first you say Google shouldn't make updates, now you cry for not getting one?
If ASUS cant take google code and get it ported into a device and not have problems then why are they selling the product. The prime GPS stinks but they continue to sell them, ASUS fixed the problem by repacking the PRIME but not retrofitting the nonworking Primes. We pay for their development, they are not looking back - profits comes from new sales.
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Asus won't release ICS until they get enough sales of the Prime first. You DID NOT pay for their development, there was no word about providing further updates in the future (there was a part, where it said, that Asus MAY send updates) for sure in the contract, you simply purchased the device, with the actual software on it. About Prime problems, yes, it's a concern they won't retrofit the problematic ones, but I'm sure they will come around that sooner or later.
I am saving for an iPAD and will keep the Android toys around for the kids. ASUS finally made me see the light.
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Okay then Apple boy. All of your sentences were just words from someone's mouth who bought an Asus Transformer expecting iPad features. I can tell you for sure: YOU WON'T GET THEM. This is not frikken Apple, this is ANDROID. Learn the difference between an open source, community driven operation system, and a closed source licensed and overpriced product.
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It's obvious that Android wasn't made for you. You people have to understand just some people think they like something but really don't. Try out apple, see how restricting they are. Maybe you will see their "light"

just to say.........if Apple was the bomb then why do people feel the need to jailbreak.........i think the term says it all. Freedom over the system to change what they want to try make it better ( sounds familiar ).......and get free **** of course (coughfilesharecough get it right up you )
just outta curiosity.........whys the logo got a mouldy half eaten granny smith on it anyway rather than a fully glorious golden delicious?
hmmm

Go for Apple, sell your transformer and give it a shot.
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I'll take that tablet off Ur hands since u don't want it..........
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I was about to post that. It might be nvflashable, which is more than you can say about mine

His ratio of posts is like 20-1 whining about ICS not being here to actual non-ICS posts..lol
I guess he bought the TF101 expecting it to be ICS any day, if you purchase an item with above reasonable expectations, when you get disappointed it is your own fault.
Lesson? Study the device you purchase better before you purchase next time.
LOL and after getting reamed for such a thoughtless post he edited it to remove all the thoughtlessness haha

Probably all talk. He will keep the tablet I'm sure.

2011CorvetteZR1 said:
No more ASUS for me
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I remember reading your post saying you own that car. You don't need the money.
So is your tf nvflash capable and how high does it clock ?
Mine has bad light bleed etc and well a swap or upgrade would be nice
Then you can sell and buy a nice shiny new ipad 2s
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I LOVE my Moto X. But...

It doesn't seem to be selling very well. Or have any ROM development (but that's a separate topic).
I mean it has some game changing features, but I don't think people really understood those unique features it offers. The Rogers employees at various stores didn't even have a clue about Touchless Controls so what selling point would they pitch to a client looking to get a new phone? It's got "less cores", "I would just go with the Galaxy S4". The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release. It's sad, really. Is that why the only two OEM's doing well (Samsung, Apple) are the ones that bombard us with advertising?
I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
I dunno it seems like the Moto X is the best phone that not many people bought. Seems like a complete marketing failure if anything.
I hope I'm wrong about this!
Discuss.

Does whether or not it sells well affect your usage of the device?
For me, it doesn't. I'm sure Google and Motorola are aware of the mountain they need to climb in order to build mindshare and attain high sales, and they probably don't expect it to happen immediately with this one device.

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Does whether or not it sells well affect your usage of the device?
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This was never implied in any way, shape or form. What is the reasoning behind this question?
It's not really about the phone at all. It's about what I suspect was a poor marketing execution for a product that could have turned a lot more heads than it has. I mean, sure I don't have statistics, but I'm posting it as an open discussion to see if other people feel this way or if I'm just crazy...
Having went to school for advertising/marketing, it genuinely bothers me when GOOD products fail to sell well because of a failed marketing campaign. It happens a lot, but with Google backing Motorola up on this one, I expected a little more as far as the marketing side goes.

They may be waiting until Motomaker comes out for all carriers to hardcore advertise, they have a few ads out already, go to YouTube and search "Lazy Phone"
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Last I heard it was a "success" in Motorola's eyes.

It might be a success in the USA, but not in Canada. There's no marketing whatsoever going on. All the nice displays & merchandising seen in the US is nowhere to be found in Canada.
I agree with the OP - When I went to buy it outright at Future Shop, they looked at me and said "Why don't you buy a Samsung or Nexus? That phone isn't up to par."
Unfortunately, Motorola Canada continues to underwhelm... Saddening, really. This phone really is the best-kept secret on the market... in Canada.
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Motorola is owned by Google, how well this excellent phone is selling is not an issue for me at all.
Now if it was an HTC phone, and a flop, I'd be worried.
As for the dev support, This is the first device I've ever owned that I didn't feel needed "fixing" with a custom ROM. We have Root, we have Xposed mods, I'm good.

The problem with today's consumers..

gunnyman said:
Motorola is owned by Google, how well this excellent phone is selling is not an issue for me at all.
Now if it was an HTC phone, and a flop, I'd be worried.
As for the dev support, This is the first device I've ever owned that I didn't feel needed "fixing" with a custom ROM. We have Root, we have Xposed mods, I'm good.
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I was honestly hoping this would be a good device to learn about developing roms on. I have a bunch of things I want to do and no one to go ask for help ;_;

That's what the nexus phones are for

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It doesn't seem to be selling very well.
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The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release.
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I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
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In the United States, it has been sold out from Verizon Wireless retail stores within a 50-mile radius of me for weeks. So I think that it is selling fairly well.
You are correct that it hasn't been marketed very well. But that all comes down to marketing spend in two areas:
1) Advertisements. Other manufacturers (Samsung, Apple) have more prominently-placed advertisements. Even Motorola and Verizon Wireless tend to promote the Droid RAZR / Ultra / Maxx phones over the Moto X.
2) In-store placement. If you go into a retail store, you'll likely find other phones right at the entrance to the store. The Moto X is usually in the back.

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I was honestly hoping this would be a good device to learn about developing roms on. I have a bunch of things I want to do and no one to go ask for help ;_;
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If you wanted to learn developing you should have gone with a more open device (Nexus 4).
Also, coming from a N4 myself, this is the first phone I don't want to root and mod. I would flash roms, kernels, and tinker with the N4 all the time. But this phone has the perfect blend of software.
The reason people normally flash roms is to get closer to AOSP, and this phone is pretty much pure android with some welcomed additions.
#TeamStockMotoX lol

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This was never implied in any way, shape or form. What is the reasoning behind this question?
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It was an honest question because some people might actually start to become unhappy with the Moto X if it doesn't sell well. I didn't know if that was the case with you or not--some might make that clear in their post, and some might not. Again, it was just a question. There really is no need to be so defensive.

KiNG OMaR said:
If you wanted to learn developing you should have gone with a more open device (Nexus 4).
Also, coming from a N4 myself, this is the first phone I don't want to root and mod. I would flash roms, kernels, and tinker with the N4 all the time. But this phone has the perfect blend of software.
The reason people normally flash roms is to get closer to AOSP, and this phone is pretty much pure android with some welcomed additions.
#TeamStockMotoX lol
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The extra storage in this phone won me over. Either way, I'm mainly interested in audio stuff. If possible I'd like to mod the phone to do something similar to Voodoo Sound's DAC direct and analog amp. Aside from that I'd like the ability to build AOSP from the source for this device, which I'm pretty sure is possible with the kernel source Motorola posted a while back.

I think advertising might be more aggressive here in the States than in Canada. The only commercials for the Moto X I've seen are the ones with TJ miller and I've only seen them online, not TV since I haven't been watching it recently.

I have seen a lot of national moto x spots during sporting events on television. especially ncaa and nfl football.

Ah okay I wasn't aware it was doing so well in the states. I guess my observation only holds true for Canada. It really is the best android phone to date IMHO. That's why I was thrown off when I saw it was getting zero recognition here in Canada lol. It's good to hear it's at least somewhat successful because they (Google and Moto) revolutionised how I interact with my phone. When major changes like Touchless Controls or Active Notifications are successful, perhaps it will inspire other manufacturers to dust off those R&D facilities and try something new once in a while.
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It was an honest question because some people might actually start to become unhappy with the Moto X if it doesn't sell well. I didn't know if that was the case with you or not--some might make that clear in their post, and some might not. Again, it was just a question. There really is no need to be so defensive.
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Ah okay I was just thrown off cause the point of me making this thread was BECAUSE I believe the Moto X is an amazing phone, why is it not getting recognized - kind of thing. Reading back, I could have worded it better to reflect that. Sorry.
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I personally love my Moto X.
It's essentially a Nexus device with a couple extra goodies for increased functionality.
Sure the camera needs a little tweaking here n' there, but it's overall a wonderful phone.
This phone came at a perfect time for me. I don't want to flash roms every other day anymore. With my new son my priorities are elsewhere now.
Doesn't matter to me if it's not selling well, just means I'll get extra wow factor when showing it off because less people know about it. As long as motorola keeps supporting it, I'm a happy camper.

I snapped this pic real quick inside At&t retail while ordering my 32gig motomaker card. They are pushing it pretty hard.
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scorpion667 said:
It doesn't seem to be selling very well. Or have any ROM development (but that's a separate topic).
I mean it has some game changing features, but I don't think people really understood those unique features it offers. The Rogers employees at various stores didn't even have a clue about Touchless Controls so what selling point would they pitch to a client looking to get a new phone? It's got "less cores", "I would just go with the Galaxy S4". The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release. It's sad, really. Is that why the only two OEM's doing well (Samsung, Apple) are the ones that bombard us with advertising?
I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
I dunno it seems like the Moto X is the best phone that not many people bought. Seems like a complete marketing failure if anything.
I hope I'm wrong about this!
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What are your sources for sales? Or is this just a personal observation? Google and moto seem to be pretty happy with its sales... ya, it's no iphone or Galaxy in terms of sales, but everything here in the states have been bouncing been in stock/out of stock.
Overall, I care little about how well a device sells as long as it continues to be supported by the manufacturer. I don't think they were aiming for a big swing in market share, but rather, proving a point about how the industry has become over obsessed with specs and to bring the mobile device manufacturing process back to the states. Discounting sales, which is definitely important, I think the moto x had been a great success for what it was made to achieve... And I think it will continue to prove more successful in the coming months. Just my personal observation.
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