It doesn't seem to be selling very well. Or have any ROM development (but that's a separate topic).
I mean it has some game changing features, but I don't think people really understood those unique features it offers. The Rogers employees at various stores didn't even have a clue about Touchless Controls so what selling point would they pitch to a client looking to get a new phone? It's got "less cores", "I would just go with the Galaxy S4". The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release. It's sad, really. Is that why the only two OEM's doing well (Samsung, Apple) are the ones that bombard us with advertising?
I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
I dunno it seems like the Moto X is the best phone that not many people bought. Seems like a complete marketing failure if anything.
I hope I'm wrong about this!
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Does whether or not it sells well affect your usage of the device?
For me, it doesn't. I'm sure Google and Motorola are aware of the mountain they need to climb in order to build mindshare and attain high sales, and they probably don't expect it to happen immediately with this one device.
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Does whether or not it sells well affect your usage of the device?
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This was never implied in any way, shape or form. What is the reasoning behind this question?
It's not really about the phone at all. It's about what I suspect was a poor marketing execution for a product that could have turned a lot more heads than it has. I mean, sure I don't have statistics, but I'm posting it as an open discussion to see if other people feel this way or if I'm just crazy...
Having went to school for advertising/marketing, it genuinely bothers me when GOOD products fail to sell well because of a failed marketing campaign. It happens a lot, but with Google backing Motorola up on this one, I expected a little more as far as the marketing side goes.
They may be waiting until Motomaker comes out for all carriers to hardcore advertise, they have a few ads out already, go to YouTube and search "Lazy Phone"
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Last I heard it was a "success" in Motorola's eyes.
It might be a success in the USA, but not in Canada. There's no marketing whatsoever going on. All the nice displays & merchandising seen in the US is nowhere to be found in Canada.
I agree with the OP - When I went to buy it outright at Future Shop, they looked at me and said "Why don't you buy a Samsung or Nexus? That phone isn't up to par."
Unfortunately, Motorola Canada continues to underwhelm... Saddening, really. This phone really is the best-kept secret on the market... in Canada.
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Motorola is owned by Google, how well this excellent phone is selling is not an issue for me at all.
Now if it was an HTC phone, and a flop, I'd be worried.
As for the dev support, This is the first device I've ever owned that I didn't feel needed "fixing" with a custom ROM. We have Root, we have Xposed mods, I'm good.
The problem with today's consumers..
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Motorola is owned by Google, how well this excellent phone is selling is not an issue for me at all.
Now if it was an HTC phone, and a flop, I'd be worried.
As for the dev support, This is the first device I've ever owned that I didn't feel needed "fixing" with a custom ROM. We have Root, we have Xposed mods, I'm good.
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I was honestly hoping this would be a good device to learn about developing roms on. I have a bunch of things I want to do and no one to go ask for help ;_;
That's what the nexus phones are for
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It doesn't seem to be selling very well.
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The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release.
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I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
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In the United States, it has been sold out from Verizon Wireless retail stores within a 50-mile radius of me for weeks. So I think that it is selling fairly well.
You are correct that it hasn't been marketed very well. But that all comes down to marketing spend in two areas:
1) Advertisements. Other manufacturers (Samsung, Apple) have more prominently-placed advertisements. Even Motorola and Verizon Wireless tend to promote the Droid RAZR / Ultra / Maxx phones over the Moto X.
2) In-store placement. If you go into a retail store, you'll likely find other phones right at the entrance to the store. The Moto X is usually in the back.
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I was honestly hoping this would be a good device to learn about developing roms on. I have a bunch of things I want to do and no one to go ask for help ;_;
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If you wanted to learn developing you should have gone with a more open device (Nexus 4).
Also, coming from a N4 myself, this is the first phone I don't want to root and mod. I would flash roms, kernels, and tinker with the N4 all the time. But this phone has the perfect blend of software.
The reason people normally flash roms is to get closer to AOSP, and this phone is pretty much pure android with some welcomed additions.
#TeamStockMotoX lol
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This was never implied in any way, shape or form. What is the reasoning behind this question?
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It was an honest question because some people might actually start to become unhappy with the Moto X if it doesn't sell well. I didn't know if that was the case with you or not--some might make that clear in their post, and some might not. Again, it was just a question. There really is no need to be so defensive.
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If you wanted to learn developing you should have gone with a more open device (Nexus 4).
Also, coming from a N4 myself, this is the first phone I don't want to root and mod. I would flash roms, kernels, and tinker with the N4 all the time. But this phone has the perfect blend of software.
The reason people normally flash roms is to get closer to AOSP, and this phone is pretty much pure android with some welcomed additions.
#TeamStockMotoX lol
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The extra storage in this phone won me over. Either way, I'm mainly interested in audio stuff. If possible I'd like to mod the phone to do something similar to Voodoo Sound's DAC direct and analog amp. Aside from that I'd like the ability to build AOSP from the source for this device, which I'm pretty sure is possible with the kernel source Motorola posted a while back.
I think advertising might be more aggressive here in the States than in Canada. The only commercials for the Moto X I've seen are the ones with TJ miller and I've only seen them online, not TV since I haven't been watching it recently.
I have seen a lot of national moto x spots during sporting events on television. especially ncaa and nfl football.
Ah okay I wasn't aware it was doing so well in the states. I guess my observation only holds true for Canada. It really is the best android phone to date IMHO. That's why I was thrown off when I saw it was getting zero recognition here in Canada lol. It's good to hear it's at least somewhat successful because they (Google and Moto) revolutionised how I interact with my phone. When major changes like Touchless Controls or Active Notifications are successful, perhaps it will inspire other manufacturers to dust off those R&D facilities and try something new once in a while.
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It was an honest question because some people might actually start to become unhappy with the Moto X if it doesn't sell well. I didn't know if that was the case with you or not--some might make that clear in their post, and some might not. Again, it was just a question. There really is no need to be so defensive.
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Ah okay I was just thrown off cause the point of me making this thread was BECAUSE I believe the Moto X is an amazing phone, why is it not getting recognized - kind of thing. Reading back, I could have worded it better to reflect that. Sorry.
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I personally love my Moto X.
It's essentially a Nexus device with a couple extra goodies for increased functionality.
Sure the camera needs a little tweaking here n' there, but it's overall a wonderful phone.
This phone came at a perfect time for me. I don't want to flash roms every other day anymore. With my new son my priorities are elsewhere now.
Doesn't matter to me if it's not selling well, just means I'll get extra wow factor when showing it off because less people know about it. As long as motorola keeps supporting it, I'm a happy camper.
I snapped this pic real quick inside At&t retail while ordering my 32gig motomaker card. They are pushing it pretty hard.
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It doesn't seem to be selling very well. Or have any ROM development (but that's a separate topic).
I mean it has some game changing features, but I don't think people really understood those unique features it offers. The Rogers employees at various stores didn't even have a clue about Touchless Controls so what selling point would they pitch to a client looking to get a new phone? It's got "less cores", "I would just go with the Galaxy S4". The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release. It's sad, really. Is that why the only two OEM's doing well (Samsung, Apple) are the ones that bombard us with advertising?
I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
I dunno it seems like the Moto X is the best phone that not many people bought. Seems like a complete marketing failure if anything.
I hope I'm wrong about this!
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What are your sources for sales? Or is this just a personal observation? Google and moto seem to be pretty happy with its sales... ya, it's no iphone or Galaxy in terms of sales, but everything here in the states have been bouncing been in stock/out of stock.
Overall, I care little about how well a device sells as long as it continues to be supported by the manufacturer. I don't think they were aiming for a big swing in market share, but rather, proving a point about how the industry has become over obsessed with specs and to bring the mobile device manufacturing process back to the states. Discounting sales, which is definitely important, I think the moto x had been a great success for what it was made to achieve... And I think it will continue to prove more successful in the coming months. Just my personal observation.
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I apologize for making another "I'm mad at Samsung for..." thread, but after trying for the past hours to get the JI5 update and failing, I'm a bit angrier than I usually am and want to hurt Samsung somewhere where they will feel it while not going to extremes like trying to organize a class action suit.
Ever since the Galaxy S line came out they really haven't done much to support it except release 3 buggy updates for three of the phones and completely ignore the one that's been out in the States for the longest (until the "made you look" event of today), yet they're so eager to show off that Galaxy Tab that they want everyone to be interested in and buy next month. I suggest simply spreading the word to everyone that no one should but that thing until they at least get their house in order and get the Galaxy S line up to the basic functionality they should have had out of the box. Spread the word that they apparently can't support the products they release and that nobody should touch those things until they can prove they are going to stand behind the products they want us to spend our hard earned money on.
Before some of you start flaming me, I do very well know this is a forum for people who mod their phones and have no intention of staying stock. I mod my phones too. Even with the fixes I've flashed I still have issues with GPS and the phone resetting. I appreciate everything the community has done to help make these phones better and I whole heartedly thank them for doing so, but at the same time there's a whole company with a division of people getting paid to do this that hasn't been able to supply us with one good fix after nearly 3 months time. It's time we should make every potential customer aware of that.
I'm boycotting the U.S. release of the Galaxy Tab, but only because I find the fact that all 4 U.S. carriers disabling the phone functions of the thing (the international version won't have this limitation) as a hugely retarded move.
I'm not interested in carrying around 2 huge slabs-o-touchscreen all the darn time. If I were I'd be an iDiot and worship Steve Jobs.
That's understandable, personally I could care less about being able to make calls on tablet. It's not like you would be able to take calls on both your cell phone and the tablet. And I sure wouldn't care for having another phone number.
I love my iPad btw!
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I'm boycotting the U.S. release of the Galaxy Tab, but only because I find the fact that all 4 U.S. carriers disabling the phone functions of the thing (the international version won't have this limitation) as a hugely retarded move.
I'm not interested in carrying around 2 huge slabs-o-touchscreen all the darn time. If I were I'd be an iDiot and worship Steve Jobs.
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Why would you carry it around if you can't use it as a phone?
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To be honest I am not surprised they are disabling the calling feature. In fact I would be surprised if they didn't.
I mean I for one wouldn't want to stop using my vibrant to use that giant tablet.
Also no matter what it will have wifi so it can be more like a laptop on the go and playing games on it will be awesome from the looks of it.
Well if they are just disabling the feature then that means the hardware to make calls is still built in so someone could root it and make calls anyway. But I'm still not getting one cause it'll be just like my phone. Tablets are a median of a phone and a notebook but nowadays the Ipad is the best out.
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Can't say I'm feeling pouty and petulant about Samsung in general, but I crossed four Tabs off my Xmas list when they announced the phone functionality was disabled.
As for the frequent comments about the Tab being too large to use as a phone, I use my phone as a speakerphone most of the time, and Bluetooth headsets put the final nail in the coffin for that argument.
I really doubt the S Tab will sell much anyway.
Smaller screen than the iPad, lower resolution, considerably worse battery life, for almost the same price....
Plus, given our experience with Samsung, it will probably not be upgraded to Gingerbread, which according to Google is the first version of Android actually meant for tablets.
Who in their right mind will buy the Tab?
What made me mad is they have more accessories slated for that thing than the very phones they already have out.
Docks, keyboards and all kinds of goodies. Oh yeah they all plug into the bottom of the Tab not the top like our retarded phones.
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Why would you carry it around if you can't use it as a phone?
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Exactly!
Since it's functionally crippled compared to it's European counterpart I don't plan on carrying one around.
It's an interesting device, and will probably have a modicum of success, but the deliberate lockdown of an existing feature is one that makes me uninterested in it.
Given that it's carrier unsubsidized pricing internationally is likely going to make it more expensive than the iPad, if I were to develop an interest in an Android tablet/mid that didn't support phone functions, I'd just SPEND LESS MONEY on a comparable 7" tablet that doesn't have phone functions. There are several...
Huge flaw with Samsung tablet, not sure if mentioned
At the moment pretty much every App available doesn't even support the tablets 1024x600 resolution so they will be to small for the screen or will stretch and look like crap.
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Huge flaw with Samsung tablet, not sure if mentioned
At the moment pretty much every App available doesn't even support the tablets 1024x600 resolution so they will be to small for the screen or will stretch and look like crap.
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I can make everything in an app support that higher res, and I font even consider myself a dev... More of a file mover.. But there are tutorials and some apps are already compatible...
Remember when donut and froyo came out not all apps were compatible.. Some apps dont work on donut now...
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WTF does this have to do with the Vibrant? Oh, can all of you stop blaming everything on Samsung? It seems like only half the people on this forum has sense and understands that T-Mobile makes the final call on updates.
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WTF does this have to do with the Vibrant? Oh, can all of you stop blaming everything on Samsung? It seems like only half the people on this forum has sense and understands that T-Mobile makes the final call on updates.
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Dude, you are drawn to these threads like a fly is to sh!t!
T-Mobile has its problems, but what about the rest of the companies carrying the Galaxy S? Have any released Froyo, or successful compass fixes?
No? Must be a worldwide carrier conspiracy to make Samsung look bad, by delaying fixes and OS upgrades.....
No, Samsung's track records with product support just sucks. That's why some are pissed.
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Wait a second, let me get this straight. You are upset because an unofficial, probably beta quality firmware wasn't available properly through a piece of software that hasn't been released to the US market yet?
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Wait a second, let me get this straight. You are upset because an unofficial, probably beta quality firmware wasn't available properly through a piece of software that hasn't been released to the US market yet?
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Nice troll, since I don't believe you are actually as stupid as you're trying to get us to believe.
No, we're all pissed off about Samsung's crappy support. I bought a phone with a GPS built in. I can't use my GPS because it doesn't work.
A little fact which has been repeatedly explained to you. So either you choose to ignore it so you can troll more, or you have major issues with reading comprehension, take your pick.
And, as I said elsewhere, no one forced you to bring your fanboi self into this thread.
I'll hold out for MOTO or HTC
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That's great, let's organize a boycott of something that 99.9% of people have no plan to purchase in the first place. In other words, we're going to have to seek out people who want to buy the Tab and then dissuade them. Personally, I think I won't.
psshh, who is gonna buy that over sized phone anyway, too big for been a phone, too small for been a tablet
No more ASUS for me
Never posted before, but what a silly post. Perhaps Microsoft should not develop any further versions of windows as it will 'harm' their past users? Perhaps no-one should develop any new technology as some will be left behind, perhaps we should have stuck to bows and arrows? It is well known that Android is a more fragmented eco system than Apple. Perhaps you should have thought about this more and researched your purchase a little better. You sound more suited to Apple quite honestly, fanboy in the making.
Meh. Whatever. Have fun with Apple. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.
It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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Yes, i opened the thread believing it contained something positive regarding Asus and Google. Instead i was rewarded with petty drivel.
If you're looking for somebody to talk you out of it (which you must be, you wouldn't have made a post otherwise), don't bother looking. We don't need you to stay. Go ahead and jump.
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It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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Lol...funny i was thinking something similar. Funny thread.
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to me the TF was a "good buy"
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to me the TF was a "good buy"
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had to thank that 1 lol
i love my TF ICS or not
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
I find it funny about his complaints of Asus/Android. It's not a flaw of Android by any means.
Should Android stop releasing operating systems? No! They have nothing to do with hardware. Their goal is to develop competent software with reasonable releases, and they do that.
This intermediate time of merging the software onto the hardware? Yes, it is annoying, but it's expected. Android releases their software at the same time to EVERYONE. It takes time to develop the OS for a product. This time exists in Apple products as well most likely, but Apple has the fortunate benefit of not releasing the software until AFTER it has been fitted for the limited number of devices they control, because they are both a hardware AND software company.
Give it time. ICS will be here eventually. I'm patient. In the meantime, I will keep running paulbrennan's build and enjoy what we already have.
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I, for one, have had enough with Android and Google. Android/Google are forever building new versions of code that manufacturing companies can not keep up with.
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And what do you think, other developers do what? Apple does the same (no wonder the old iPhones aren't supported by iOS4 and 5), just like Microsoft, Samsung, Nokia, etcetera.
New codebase is the key to the future - with new functions built in, it can be a more widespread generic base, where manufacturers have less to modify to make their own taste. And manufacturers aren't able to keep up? Seriously, if they only made a device tree, and sent it to Cyanogen Team with a few test devices, they'd have more profit than ever. They could keep up, and they are not willing to do so because then the newer devices wouldn't sell. Just like Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, etc.
Manufacturer's are not going to spend profits on older products, they already got your money! Why is Google forever coming up with new versions? Android is in developement and always trying to be like Apple. I am an android developer and thought I would be happy with developing for 50% of the market users. 50% of the market users but in the corporate world the ratio is much different.
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The Android Market has millions of devices connected (I recall someone saying over 300million). So to target only the 50%, you'd have to make an application what is useful for almost everyone. Then count with the other devs who thought about the same, and you'll drop below 20% in the most optimistic case. You can never reach 50% if you're not a name already (like EA Games, Gameloft, and other huge companies). Or if you can't afford heavy marketing, adverts, etc.
Companies that provide employees with phones and tablets is where Apple rules. Why is that? Apple products are just better. They are not cheap plastic, creaky things where every one if different and not hardly one is on the same version. I do not have an iPhone because I refuse to pay carrier's pricing but all I want from a phone is phone calls, gps, access to emails, and some web browsing.
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WRONG. Companies buy iPhones for their employees because they have contracts with a given carrier. They get them in huge numbers for cheap, because Apple is pushing them (the carriers). They get huge bonuses just because that, not to talk about a lot bigger user base.
Apple things don't rule. They are made of the same plastic, metal, and other parts (ICs, SoCs, etc), as 99% of these are manufactured in China, even assembled in China! There was a picture, where it showed that the same factory was producing iPhones on a line, and next to it were cheap tablets and phones and mp4 players, and they were using the same material, electronics, etc.
At Apple, Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, and so on, you're paying for the brand - actually, some of the Chinese stuff can be better for half the price. Justsayin'
Phones are not game systems or video players - I am not going to watch a full length movie on a 4" screen.
Tablets on the other hand might be video players and I might play a game and I certainly will surf the web and read emails.
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Phones aren't, you're right, but when you're on the bus for 30mins, sitting in a line for the dentist, and so on, you can't have your xbox, ps3, wii with you. But you have your phone. So it's a fine time to watch a short movie (an episode of some series, etc), or play something funny (Angry Birds for an example).
Tablets are the same, except bigger, and you can use them as a smaller form PC or laptop.
I do not have an iPAD because I thought android was better. It is not and is always trying to one up Apple but Google can not even catch up to Apple nevermind get ahead of them.
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Then you think wrong. Both sides have their own pros and cons, but Google is definitely ruling Apple with Android, for the first time. There were more Android phone activations just during the holidays, than iPhone sales during a YEAR.
I had high hopes for ICS but doubt it will ever come on h/w that I already own - thanks ASUS, but I understand. Why no ICS yet? Because ASUS is working on their next device as they try to make a better product than Apple.
Interesting, first you say Google shouldn't make updates, now you cry for not getting one?
If ASUS cant take google code and get it ported into a device and not have problems then why are they selling the product. The prime GPS stinks but they continue to sell them, ASUS fixed the problem by repacking the PRIME but not retrofitting the nonworking Primes. We pay for their development, they are not looking back - profits comes from new sales.
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Asus won't release ICS until they get enough sales of the Prime first. You DID NOT pay for their development, there was no word about providing further updates in the future (there was a part, where it said, that Asus MAY send updates) for sure in the contract, you simply purchased the device, with the actual software on it. About Prime problems, yes, it's a concern they won't retrofit the problematic ones, but I'm sure they will come around that sooner or later.
I am saving for an iPAD and will keep the Android toys around for the kids. ASUS finally made me see the light.
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Okay then Apple boy. All of your sentences were just words from someone's mouth who bought an Asus Transformer expecting iPad features. I can tell you for sure: YOU WON'T GET THEM. This is not frikken Apple, this is ANDROID. Learn the difference between an open source, community driven operation system, and a closed source licensed and overpriced product.
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It's obvious that Android wasn't made for you. You people have to understand just some people think they like something but really don't. Try out apple, see how restricting they are. Maybe you will see their "light"
just to say.........if Apple was the bomb then why do people feel the need to jailbreak.........i think the term says it all. Freedom over the system to change what they want to try make it better ( sounds familiar ).......and get free **** of course (coughfilesharecough get it right up you )
just outta curiosity.........whys the logo got a mouldy half eaten granny smith on it anyway rather than a fully glorious golden delicious?
hmmm
Go for Apple, sell your transformer and give it a shot.
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I was about to post that. It might be nvflashable, which is more than you can say about mine
His ratio of posts is like 20-1 whining about ICS not being here to actual non-ICS posts..lol
I guess he bought the TF101 expecting it to be ICS any day, if you purchase an item with above reasonable expectations, when you get disappointed it is your own fault.
Lesson? Study the device you purchase better before you purchase next time.
LOL and after getting reamed for such a thoughtless post he edited it to remove all the thoughtlessness haha
Probably all talk. He will keep the tablet I'm sure.
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I remember reading your post saying you own that car. You don't need the money.
So is your tf nvflash capable and how high does it clock ?
Mine has bad light bleed etc and well a swap or upgrade would be nice
Then you can sell and buy a nice shiny new ipad 2s
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When Moto X was released, there was so much emphasis on the phone being designed by Americans and made in America.
And not even a generation later, the phone is now both owned by a Chinese company and made in China.
Does American have any kind of resolve at all?
It's bothersome to Americans, as well. We'd love to see more products being produced domestically. It's just not fiscally very feasible. No amount of "resolve" can balance a bottom line that loses money.
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It's bothersome to Americans, as well. We'd love to see more products being produced domestically. It's just not fiscally very feasible. No amount of "resolve" can balance a bottom line that loses money.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXiamWdk2go
It was said that the phone made in America would cost the same if it were made in China if you count the transportation cost. Guess that must be a lie, or Lenovo prefer to give the jobs to the Chinese people.
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There's absolutely no need to change build.prop, if you have stock 4.3, you can install Xposed Installer and use GEM Xperia module with it, IT WORKS GREAT!!!
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Lol... Just lol.
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Don't worry about American jobs, they'll be plenty of them when we're building the iPhone 27s for $5 an hour for the Chinese.
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Does it bother you as an Australian that all the American car companies are dumping building much of anything in your country anymore, and that most of the vehicles that once dominated your market are no longer relevant? The American company realized that they weren't as good at building/assembling technology, so they moved it to a location that specializes in that. It bothers me more that you want to be a d-bag about it when your own country is in a similar position from a manufacturing standpoint.
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Does it bother you as an Australian that all the American car companies are dumping building much of anything in your country anymore, and that most of the vehicles that once dominated your market are no longer relevant? The American company realized that they weren't as good at building/assembling technology, so they moved it to a location that specializes in that. It bothers me more that you want to be a d-bag about it when your own country is in a similar position from a manufacturing standpoint.
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I wonder why the Chinese dont stand together unite as one and become Strong Union and demand to be treated like a human being.. including a salary they deserve
I'd wager a bet that most of that was marketing. Labor rates, insurance, workplace standards, benefits and the cost of shipping in materials, among many other factors, make assembling electronics in the US a very pricey affair. Even if they were still pulling a profit on the Moto Xs on a per-piece scenario, it likely wasn't enough to be scaleable to other devices, especially considering that we don't currently have many electronics manufacturing facilities in the USA.
Also, Motorola stopped manufacturing the Moto Xs in the US prior to the sale to Lenovo. If I recall correctly, only 50k units or some such number were made at the USA facility.
The ultimate problem is that Americans want it to be built here, the people building it want to be paid well, and the end user (the consumer) wants it for a very cheap price. You can't have all three of these things at the same time.
The solution? Send the work overseas so we can satisfy what matters most, the cheap price, which drives sales and ships more units.
plus, isn't lenovo a chinese company? why would they build the phone here?
i just have to make another point/inquiry. so one of the main selling points of the moto x is the moto maker, right? aren't the moto maker factories all located in the US? i know for a fact that there is one factory in Texas that isn't closing and was to move over to make the new gen X phone when the time came.
also there is a problem in America that very few people acknowledge.......over educating............yes people are educating themselves for white collar jobs and there are no more jobs in that field and then we complain about immigrants that come in and take our service jobs............the jobs that people feel are beneath them. so it doesnt matter to me when those phones are made over seas, i just feel that they should be made in the Philippians since America has probably the best relationship with.
bottom line the phones are still designed by very intelligent people regardless of their race and are pieced together by people in third world countries or whatever China now is, according to how the designers put it together.
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i just have to make another point/inquiry. so one of the main selling points of the moto x is the moto maker, right? aren't the moto maker factories all located in the US? i know for a fact that there is one factory in Texas that isn't closing and was to move over to make the new gen X phone when the time came.
also there is a problem in America that very few people acknowledge.......over educating............yes people are educating themselves for white collar jobs and there are no more jobs in that field and then we complain about immigrants that come in and take our service jobs............the jobs that people feel are beneath them. so it doesnt matter to me when those phones are made over seas, i just feel that they should be made in the Philippians since America has probably the best relationship with.
bottom line the phones are still designed by very intelligent people regardless of their race and are pieced together by people in third world countries or whatever China now is, according to how the designers put it together.
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Let's keep this about the Moto X and not about comparing countries pros and cons.
I'm pretty sure they were just assembled in the U.S. not manufactured here, so the original point is partially invalid.
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Let's keep this about the Moto X and not about comparing countries pros and cons.
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Considering the OP was a trolling swipe at the US, i'd say we're very much on topic
Not sure if it's a proven fact but weren't the phones assembled in the US of lower build quality? So I am fine with it being made somewhere else.
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Considering the OP was a trolling swipe at the US, i'd say we're very much on topic
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This forum is about the discussion of the Moto X. There are other places to talk about this.
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This forum is about the discussion of the Moto X. There are other places to talk about this.
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perfectly appropriate discussion for this forum. Pros and Cons of Moto X being assembled/manf. in the USA is relevant both to the forum and the general subforum.
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plus, isn't lenovo a chinese company? why would they build the phone here?
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When the original Moto X launched, Motorola was still owned by Google. They then sold it to Lenovo, but I'm not even sure that was all completely finalized yet.
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perfectly appropriate discussion for this forum. Pros and Cons of Moto X being assembled/manf. in the USA is relevant both to the forum and the general subforum.
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'Does it bother you as an Australian that all the American car companies are dumping building much of anything in your country anymore, and that most of the vehicles that once dominated your market are no longer relevant? The American company realized that they weren't as good at building/assembling technology, so they moved it to a location that specializes in that. It bothers me more that you want to be a d-bag about it when your own country is in a similar position from a manufacturing standpoint.'
'also there is a problem in America that very few people acknowledge.......over educating............yes people are educating themselves for white collar jobs and there are no more jobs in that field and then we complain about immigrants that come in and take our service jobs............the jobs that people feel are beneath them. so it doesnt matter to me when those phones are made over seas, i just feel that they should be made in the Philippians since America has probably the best relationship with. '
You can defend your phone all you want, but let's keep it about the phone and how and where it's made. Not about the relationships the countries have or what else they make.
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LOGAN : Thank you for contacting the Verizon Wireless Chat Team regarding your device. How can we help you today?
You : when is the Droid turbo to receive the marshmallow update?
You : i noticed this https://motorola-global-portal.cust...prod_answer_detail/a_id/102367/p/30,6720,9277
LOGAN : Hi there! I know how important it is to know if you device will be receiving a software update! Let me take a look and I will see If I can find a release date for Marshmallow on the Droid Turbo!
You : thank you
LOGAN : No problem!
LOGAN : I just want to check in on you and let you know I am still researching this for you!
You : ok
LOGAN : Thank you very much!
LOGAN : Ok I was looking over my resources and I see that Motorola is still in the process of testing the Marshmallow update for this device, to ensure it does not cause network or device issues. Once that testing has been completed however they will release the update for this device!
You : ok thanks alot
Sure Verizon is still blame shifting but support says it IS coming.
Verizon has had the Motorola Marshmallow image at least since July 01, 2016 (maybe even earlier!) when Marshmallow started rolling out for other Quarks (XT1225) AND we saw the Wi-Fi certification for 6.0.1 running on Droid Turbo XT1254.
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Doesn't take 3 months to test that when all the other Quarks are running fine with the same image. In fact, some XT1254 are running the Brazil XT1225 Marshmallow image with a custom kernel!
So, what's Verizon's hold-up? Uh, they want to sell NEW phones first. Like the silly Moto Z series....
Uhhhggg. This isn't excellent news at all. Just old news. I don't even care about marshmallow anymore. I just want the suspense to end at this point.
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So, what's Verizon's hold-up? Uh, they want to sell NEW phones first. Like the silly Moto Z series....
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I don't know about that. 90% of the time, when I try to talk to someone about android and mention any of the OS names, they respond with something like "what? Dessert? You have a marshmallow on your phone? I don't understand." If having the latest OS was really that big of a deal, it would get hyped up more. The only advertisement that I've seen for any recent phone that even mentioned the OS version was for the LG V20. So I don't think Verizon plans on losing any sales because someone thinks "oh wait, that phone from 2014 just got upgraded to not even the latest version of android? Forget that S7 or Z Force Droid or whatever, I'm getting me an OG Turbo."
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I don't know about that. 90% of the time, when I try to talk to someone about android and mention any of the OS names, they respond with something like "what? Dessert? You have a marshmallow on your phone? I don't understand." If having the latest OS was really that big of a deal, it would get hyped up more. The only advertisement that I've seen for any recent phone that even mentioned the OS version was for the LG V20. So I don't think Verizon plans on losing any sales because someone thinks "oh wait, that phone from 2014 just got upgraded to not even the latest version of android? Forget that S7 or Z Force Droid or whatever, I'm getting me an OG Turbo."
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The Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254 (and all Quark) in late 2014 was a spec hound's dream. Verizon made a huge emphasis about the battery, the RAM, the 1440p AMOLED display, Qi wireless, etc. Verizon loved it so much they lied blatantly it was a "worldwide exclusive".
A LOT of people bought the Droid Turbo believing that hype, even people who were not Verizon subscribers. (when in reality one of the other Quarks would have been better for those non-Verizon people.)
Even after we proved the XT1225 was the non-CDMA equivalent (with different FCC ID), there was a 4-page heated argument while the Verizon fanbois refused to admit the XT1250 was IDENTICAL. They didn't want to believe it. They were willing to believe that if Verizon didn't have the "world wide" exclusive, they wanted to believe it was "U.S exclusive". Uh, no -- at least dozen other U.S. carriers sold this exact same device.
My point is this... Droid Turbo owners bought this phone because they were sold on the specs (true), the exclusivity to make them feel special (false), and fast Motorola updates (true at the time, but then increasingly false).
Off the top of your head, what phones out there right now would adequately replace your Droid Turbo XT1254?
The only two easy ones I can think of would be perhaps the 2015 LG G4 (if you bought a European LG Qi wireless back cover) or the 2016 Samsung Galaxy Edge. But neither has all the Moto functions like Moto Display...
OR the 2016 Moto Z Force Droid with the mod extended battery pack with Qi wireless functionality. DING. DING. DING.
That latter one is the only option that also has Moto Display, which Motorola fans love.
And it has Marshmallow.
It's also "exclusive" -- the magic word.
So, for the die hard Droid Turbo fans who love specs and are techies, you would have to pay not only for a new phone but also buy an EXPENSIVE mod to match or beat what you have right now. And if the Droid Turbo also had Marshmallow, it would be even less a winning proposition.
But since the Droid Turbo doesn't have stock Marshmallow (with VoLTE), for techies/nerds, if you want the latest, actually want an "exclusive", then the Moto Z Force looks better for Verizon customers.
It's not unheard of for a company to make one of their products look worse, to make a more expensive one look better -- if it makes them money. Giving the Droid Turbo Marshmallow won't make them any money. NOT giving the Droid Turbo Marshmallow might help them sell new phones to Droid Turbo owners, especially the Moto Z Force.
May sound like a conspiracy theory, but this is the kind of stuff executives talk amongst themselves. They always have a "strategy" whether it's based on reality or not.
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The Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254 (and all Quark) in late 2014 was a spec hound's dream. Verizon made a huge emphasis about the battery, the RAM, the 1440p AMOLED display, Qi wireless, etc. Verizon loved it so much they lied blatantly it was a "worldwide exclusive".
A LOT of people bought the Droid Turbo believing that hype, even people who were not Verizon subscribers. (when in reality one of the other Quarks would have been better for those non-Verizon people.)
Even after we proved the XT1225 was the non-CDMA equivalent (with different FCC ID), there was a 4-page heated argument while the Verizon fanbois refused to admit the XT1250 was IDENTICAL. They didn't want to believe it. They were willing to believe that if Verizon didn't have the "world wide" exclusive, they wanted to believe it was "U.S exclusive". Uh, no -- at least dozen other U.S. carriers sold this exact same device.
My point is this... Droid Turbo owners bought this phone because they were sold on the specs (true), the exclusivity to make them feel special (false), and fast Motorola updates (true at the time, but then increasingly false).
Off the top of your head, what phones out there right now would adequately replace your Droid Turbo XT1254?
The only two easy ones I can think of would be perhaps the 2015 LG G4 (if you bought a European LG Qi wireless back cover) or the 2016 Samsung Galaxy Edge. But neither has all the Moto functions like Moto Display...
OR the 2016 Moto Z Force Droid with the mod extended battery pack with Qi wireless functionality. DING. DING. DING.
That latter one is the only option that also has Moto Display, which Motorola fans love.
And it has Marshmallow.
It's also "exclusive" -- the magic word.
So, for the die hard Droid Turbo fans who love specs and are techies, you would have to pay not only for a new phone but also buy an EXPENSIVE mod to match or beat what you have right now. And if the Droid Turbo also had Marshmallow, it would be even less a winning proposition.
But since the Droid Turbo doesn't have stock Marshmallow (with VoLTE), for techies/nerds, if you want the latest, actually want an "exclusive", then the Moto Z Force looks better for Verizon customers.
It's not unheard of for a company to make one of their products look worse, to make a more expensive one look better -- if it makes them money. Giving the Droid Turbo Marshmallow won't make them any money. NOT giving the Droid Turbo Marshmallow might help them sell new phones to Droid Turbo owners, especially the Moto Z Force.
May sound like a conspiracy theory, but this is the kind of stuff executives talk amongst themselves. They always have a "strategy" whether it's based on reality or not.
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Your explanation would make sense if the average customer cared about specs, but I don't think they do. If the average customer was nerds like us, we'd have unlocked bootloaders on all carriers, stock toggleable root access and timely updates. The reason why we don't is because the carriers know that that's not the case.
The average customer, if I had to guess, cares about how pretty the screen looks, the size of the phone, how pretty the pictures/videos are, and how pretty/popular the phone itself is. That's it. That's why manufacturers started taking away SD card support and removable batteries, and why the Droid Turbo 2 was a hardware downgrade in many ways compared to the original. That's also why modularity became a thing. The manufacturers are desperate to find a way to invent a new feature that is so blatantly obvious that average Joe non techie will notice it.
To summarize, it doesn't make sense to withhold an update to increase sales for two reasons: 90% of your customers don't even know it's coming/dread updates because they don't like learning new things, and the update isn't even to the latest Android version, so even if it was pushed, you still aren't giving the nerds what they want, and therefore they would still need to buy a new phone to get what they want.
Actually the "main" reason for non removable batteries is so you are always able to be triangulated.
You don't want to get into "conspiracies" with moi
Tesla laughs at" Qi" charging
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Of course, with all this testing, you know the update will be flawless and perfect. I can't wait!
All you modders and rommers are just destroying the network, didn't you know?
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Yeah unfortunately it is known it's coming, but when I don't know. Either way, and not to hi-jack the thread here but I'm riding out my turbo as long as the hardware lasts. In the next month or two I will be ordering myself a replacement battery because I have noticed mine is starting to fade, or seems like it at least. I have installed some new apps lately so maybe it's that. I don't know. But, I will replace the battery, it's easy, and keep riding the this phone out. This is the first phone I'm actually not in a hurry to upgrade, maybe because I'm also getting older and have more bills to pay so I just can't afford the latest and greatest anymore. But i still very much enjoy this phone and it doesn't ever seem slow to me and it still is, to this day, a pretty damn good phone in terms of specs. I feel that every phone from this point on, I will drag it along until it dies or becomes so outdated it can barely use the current apps anymore. This phone definitely has another 1-3 years in it.
Sorry, went off on a crazy tangent there.
install Naptime, watch your battery life skyrocket (needs root)
Let me fix that for you.
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install Naptime, watch your battery life skyrocket (needs MARSHMALLOW)
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Yeah unfortunately it is known it's coming, but when I don't know. Either way, and not to hi-jack the thread here but I'm riding out my turbo as long as the hardware lasts. In the next month or two I will be ordering myself a replacement battery because I have noticed mine is starting to fade, or seems like it at least. I have installed some new apps lately so maybe it's that. I don't know. But, I will replace the battery, it's easy, and keep riding the this phone out. This is the first phone I'm actually not in a hurry to upgrade, maybe because I'm also getting older and have more bills to pay so I just can't afford the latest and greatest anymore. But i still very much enjoy this phone and it doesn't ever seem slow to me and it still is, to this day, a pretty damn good phone in terms of specs. I feel that every phone from this point on, I will drag it along until it dies or becomes so outdated it can barely use the current apps anymore. This phone definitely has another 1-3 years in it.
Sorry, went off on a crazy tangent there.
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I'm with you friend, as long as I can make "my own updates" work, I'll be using my Turbo (Quark) until it's absolutely dead and/or obsolete! I gave up on VZW upgrades a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...
Yeah definitely!
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You sir are correct. Def doesnt sound like a conspiracy theory.
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probably for LTE advanced update.
So since the Verizon Pixel bootloader was just unlocked by the coolest ninjas I know, there is now a 99.9% chance I'm buying it. Once the unlock method is released, that will become 100%. I'm done waiting an absurd amount of time for 1 or 2 official updates, and the 3rd party solutions just aren't doing it for me. I'll be sacrificing my QHD screen (sniff), but I think it's worth it to get regular updates straight from Google. I'll still be floating around this forum to help people and provide the 100% stock rom of the new update when it comes out though.
This probably isn't related to the original topic of this thread, but neither are the last few posts.
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So since the Verizon Pixel bootloader was just unlocked by the coolest ninjas I know, there is now a 99.9% chance I'm buying it. Once the unlock method is released, that will become 100%. I'm done waiting an absurd amount of time for 1 or 2 official updates, and the 3rd party solutions just aren't doing it for me. I'll be sacrificing my QHD screen (sniff), but I think it's worth it to get regular updates straight from Google. I'll still be floating around this forum to help people and provide the 100% stock rom of the new update when it comes out though.
This probably isn't related to the original topic of this thread, but neither are the last few posts.
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Be wary.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69325024&postcount=520
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Be wary.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69325024&postcount=520
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Hmm. Very interesting. It's something to consider, but I doubt it will change my mind. The fact that HTC had a heavy hand in development doesn't bother me. HTC makes great phones, and I've always wanted to own one. I've been haunting the Pixel forums, and everyone seems to love it so far.
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Hmm. Very interesting. It's something to consider, but I doubt it will change my mind. The fact that HTC had a heavy hand in development doesn't bother me. HTC makes great phones, and I've always wanted to own one. I've been haunting the Pixel forums, and everyone seems to love it so far.
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one of the aspects that would keep me away from the Pixel is the smaller battery (2700 on the 5.0, but 3450 on the 5.5). given that the Quark has 3900, anything less will be a downgrade. also, the Quark is already too big, so I certainly do not want anything larger.
I know this is old news, but for those wanting Nougat, there is an Xposed module that gives you all of the functionality of Nougat called AndroidN-ify:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules/xposed-android-n-ify-features-t3345091
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one of the aspects that would keep me away from the Pixel is the smaller battery (2700 on the 5.0, but 3450 on the 5.5). given that the Quark has 3900, anything less will be a downgrade. also, the Quark is already too big, so I certainly do not want anything larger.
I know this is old news, but for those wanting Nougat, there is an Xposed module that gives you all of the functionality of Nougat called AndroidN-ify:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules/xposed-android-n-ify-features-t3345091
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It's true that the battery is smaller, but since the screen is only FHD on the small one, it doesn't drain as much power. Also, the 821 is more energy efficient than the 805. And yes, I'm using N-ify right now, but all it does is change the settings menu and the notifications. It certainly doesn't give you all the functionality nougat.
I actually think the turbo is the perfect size. The little pixel is the same size as my old S4, and I don't mind that. Uhhggg. Maybe I do need to think more about this. I just hate not having regular software updates. I hate the fact that we're all waiting over a year for a version of Android that is already obsolete, and that this is the last one we will ever get, if we get it. If CM could just provide me the same signal reception as I get on stock, I'd just stay on RR and not worry about it, but I don't think it ever will. The maintainers of our CM builds don't use CDMA, so I don't think they'd be able to test any improvements even if they wanted to make them.
The point is to embarrass Motorola for offering no update policy after their MWC presentation by making #MotoShame trend when they're trying get coverage for their new stuff.
Needed between now and then: People to post everywhere motorola users, in particular Moto Z users are. People to make example images or memes to post with their tweets. Maybe a good, clear infographic about what to do when would be nice if you're good at that. And really anything you think of to get more people on board.
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Would anyone be interested in a twitter campaign to embarrass Motorola for failing to have an upgrade policy for their Premiere Moto Z line? They keep doing it because we keep putting up with it. I say we embarrass them for cheaping out on us with #MotoShame.
1) We need to trend on Twitter, which means we need to coordinate a large group to post at the same time at a future date. That means we need people to go to every forum where moto z users are and inform and recruit.
2) We need to do it at an ideal moment to get their attention, preferably when they are trying to generate good press. That's when we can get the most attention and the most earned coverage from the blogosphere. Instead of their new gear trending, we make #MotoShame trend.
They are unveiling hardware at MWC on February 26. Hitting them with this will distract from their earned coverage and possibly break through their unwillingness to hear customer complaints on the matter.
3) The tweets need a visual element. Pictures get attention on Twitter. A couple of options:
a) Post pictures of our Moto Zs being sad about Motorola's absentee parenting. quick example of Marvin the Hitchhiker Android speaking for my Z Play
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b) think of those pet shaming posts people put up, except this time we memeify sad-faced motorola logos or other promotional material with a sign purportedly from Motorola confessing its bad behavior in re: updates.4) We need a clear demand. We should demand 2 years of guaranteed updates to Moto's premium line matches the cheapo Android One line guarantee. Suggested Tweet text "We made Moto Z a success, now Moto needs to match bargain Android One's 2 year OS upgrade guarantee #MotoShame" [attach image]I'm not going to press the matter if no one is interested. But I like my Z Play, and I'd like to receive a reasonable amount of support. When I complain to moto alone, they ignore me. Only hope of making a difference is if we complain together. Is anyone interested? If so, how would you contribute (memifying moto shaming logos for people to add to their tweets, posting info and reminders on other forums, tweeting on Feb 26, etc)?
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Nah, not interested.
Shaming and memes? It's my only meaning in life.
Hey, I don't really know about the update policy . But I wanted to ask one thing. Are we going to get ANDROID O? OR is nougat the last update for Moto z play? Btw , I'm interested #motoshame
Dont really care much for updates
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Hey, I don't really know about the update policy . But I wanted to ask one thing. Are we going to get ANDROID O? OR is nougat the last update for Moto z play? Btw , I'm interested #motoshame
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The whole point is that there is no update policy, ergo, we'll never know what our last upgrade will be, or when it will be. We get cut off whenever moto gets sick of us.
So does that mean Android 7 is our last update or are we going to get Android 8(O) as well!?
It means if you want an answer to that question, you're going to have to demand one... from Motorola. "No policy" means they won't answer or even decide until they feel like it. Thus: #MotoShame.
Hi my friend, as I told you in MZP Group, this thread could be a lot like spam. And here is why i think that:
1.- You can not force Lenovo (or motorola) to give you an update, because they did not signed anything, they are not forced to give you an update, they just sell you their phone.
2.- Motorola has a 2 year warranty, if you want a signed document you will better make a request in change.org or something like that, and thats why Moto Z series users we dont have to be worried about updates but if you Remember the Moto G3 will not have the nougat update, and a lot of users claimed the update if you want 2 years warranty you will better make it for all moto devices.
3.- Its a terrible idea to make noise in the MWC days, because the only thing you will achieve is to give even more fame to lenovo, a lot of politicians makes this to be even more recognized, and the only thing you will achieve is raise the lenovo's shares of stock. If you want to take some attention then make DDoS attack to their servers.
4.- I do not care about updates, in less than a year im sure that i will have unlocked my bootloader and ill be trying the amazing roms of the XDA's people, im sure that you will have Android P or even Android Q thanks To XDA.
5.- I had the Moto G 1st Gen and let me tell you that Moto did an amazing job with the updates policy, mine was in Android 4.3, later 4.4 and finally 5.0 ... and thanks to the devs Moto G 1st Gen has android 6.0, if that was with a moto g, dont mind about a Moto Z Play ...
6.- I think it is better to make a polite request to lenovo than to make a lot of noise and hitting 'em to their mark image, as we say in Mexico "en el pedir está el dar" (in the asking is the giving).
Think about it mate.
As others here have said, you're alone in this view. Many of us are thrilled that Motorola updates phones like the Z Play as quickly as they do. The Axon 7 and Honor 8 both got nougat the same week we did, and those are ZTE/Huawei's flagships. The Z Play is a budget phone (albeit a very good one), the fact that it has nougat already is impressive. They tell you which phones will be updated, give you an idea of when they think it will happen, and then actually do it. They're no OnePlus, but they've got carriers to deal with and far more SKUs. For a company that size, Motorola is one of if not the best when it comes to updates.
People have been politely requesting a clear policy for years. Motorola and others have ignored it. If users are ok with that, I'm not looking to convince them otherwise. Just offering a platform for those that want to to finally be heard from.
I asked Motorola specifically about the length of support for the Z Play (future updates, not the speed of current ones which has nothing to do with thread), they said it was unknowable. Android One support isn't unknowable, and those phones are half the price of the Z Play.
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Hi my friend, as I told you in MZP Group, this thread could be a lot like spam. And here is why i think that:
5.- I had the Moto G 1st Gen and let me tell you that Moto did an amazing job with the updates policy, mine was in Android 4.3, later 4.4 and finally 5.0 ... and thanks to the devs Moto G 1st Gen has android 6.0, if that was with a moto g, dont mind about a Moto Z Play ...
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The G has 7.1.1
uberano26 said:
The G has 7.1.1
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No, it does not. He was talking about the first gen Moto G, which got 5.1 officially. The Moto G gen 3 got 6.0. Only the 4th gen Moto G gets Nougat.
I only count Official update from Moto.
Yeah because what a shame it would be if a device got its update not from the manufacturer but from other sources.
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Yeah because what a shame it would be if a device got its update not from the manufacturer but from other sources.
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To be fair, custom ROMs don't include features like Moto actions, active display, and touchless controls, which are all pretty useful. But if someone released a ROM with Moto features working that was relatively bug-free, who cares if it's official or not?
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To be fair, custom ROMs don't include features like Moto actions, active display, and touchless controls, which are all pretty useful. But if someone released a ROM with Moto features working that was relatively bug-free, who cares if it's official or not?
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At the same time, the people on forums like XDA are a tiny fraction of phone purchasers and know about rooting, ROM-ing, etc. Most people purchase phones without a desire to or knowledge of modding and would appreciate concrete and adhered-to policies ahead of the launch of a phone so that they know what they're getting in to.
Personally, I'd much prefer reliable info from the manufacturer and not have to root/ROM each phone that I get. I used to root before getting the MZP, but now I like the fact that I can use Android Pay again. The older I get, the more responsibilities I have, the less time I have to play around with my phones (although I personally enjoy it). I now want devices that just work and get updated in a timely, predictable manner.
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At the same time, the people on forums like XDA are a tiny fraction of phone purchasers and know about rooting, ROM-ing, etc. Most people purchase phones without a desire to or knowledge of modding and would appreciate concrete and adhered-to policies ahead of the launch of a phone so that they know what they're getting in to.
Personally, I'd much prefer reliable info from the manufacturer and not have to root/ROM each phone that I get. I used to root before getting the MZP, but now I like the fact that I can use Android Pay again. The older I get, the more responsibilities I have, the less time I have to play around with my phones (although I personally enjoy it). I now want devices that just work and get updated in a timely, predictable manner.
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To that point, most people don't know what security updates are. Most people choose not to update when they have an update. So again, kind of a moot point.
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As others here have said, you're alone in this view. Many of us are thrilled that Motorola updates phones like the Z Play as quickly as they do. The Axon 7 and Honor 8 both got nougat the same week we did, and those are ZTE/Huawei's flagships. The Z Play is a budget phone (albeit a very good one), the fact that it has nougat already is impressive. They tell you which phones will be updated, give you an idea of when they think it will happen, and then actually do it. They're no OnePlus, but they've got carriers to deal with and far more SKUs. For a company that size, Motorola is one of if not the best when it comes to updates.
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To be clear, the MZP does not have Nougat already, at least not in the US and not rolled out by Motorola.
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To that point, most people don't know what security updates are. Most people choose not to update when they have an update. So again, kind of a moot point.
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Do you have a source for that?
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To be clear, the MZP does not have Nougat already, at least not in the US and not rolled out by Motorola.
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Do you have a source for that?
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Do you have any friends? Family members? Co-workers? Anyone you can ask? I bet more people than not have no idea the software on their phone is out of date. Go talk to non-technical people, I'm always amazed when I talk to "normal people" how little they know or care about their phones.
I'm not saying your wrong that Moto should have an update policy in place because it's pretty obvious that they should. My point is that they're not alone: no other phone manufacturer except OnePlus, blackberry, and google have a solid update policy that they stand behind and deliver on regularly. And unfortunately the majority of people are fine with that. Trying to humiliate a company for following an industry standard is pretty crazy, imo. Those of us who have had lots of Motorola's over the years, have called tech support, have gotten updates, have torn our hair out trying to unlock bootloaders that we're never meant to be unlocked, we see the current Motorola working harder than it ever has before to get us quick updates. Bashing them for that just isn't right.
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Do you have any friends? Family members? Co-workers? Anyone you can ask? I bet more people than not have no idea the software on their phone is out of date. Go talk to non-technical people, I'm always amazed when I talk to "normal people" how little they know or care about their phones.
I'm not saying your wrong that Moto should have an update policy in place because it's pretty obvious that they should. My point is that they're not alone: no other phone manufacturer except OnePlus, blackberry, and google have a solid update policy that they stand behind and deliver on regularly. And unfortunately the majority of people are fine with that. Trying to humiliate a company for following an industry standard is pretty crazy, imo. Those of us who have had lots of Motorola's over the years, have called tech support, have gotten updates, have torn our hair out trying to unlock bootloaders that we're never meant to be unlocked, we see the current Motorola working harder than it ever has before to get us quick updates. Bashing them for that just isn't right.
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You misconstrued my earlier opinion as supporting the bashing. I never said that.
Asking my friends, family, and coworkers would not result in statistically significant data on whether or not the general phone user is aware of or installs updates when presented to them by their OS. In the few minutes I had, I was neither able to find data that would support nor refute your hypothesis. This is also why I did not say that I believe that most users know about or install updates, because I have no data to support that. It was simply a statement from my point of view.