The point is to embarrass Motorola for offering no update policy after their MWC presentation by making #MotoShame trend when they're trying get coverage for their new stuff.
Needed between now and then: People to post everywhere motorola users, in particular Moto Z users are. People to make example images or memes to post with their tweets. Maybe a good, clear infographic about what to do when would be nice if you're good at that. And really anything you think of to get more people on board.
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Would anyone be interested in a twitter campaign to embarrass Motorola for failing to have an upgrade policy for their Premiere Moto Z line? They keep doing it because we keep putting up with it. I say we embarrass them for cheaping out on us with #MotoShame.
1) We need to trend on Twitter, which means we need to coordinate a large group to post at the same time at a future date. That means we need people to go to every forum where moto z users are and inform and recruit.
2) We need to do it at an ideal moment to get their attention, preferably when they are trying to generate good press. That's when we can get the most attention and the most earned coverage from the blogosphere. Instead of their new gear trending, we make #MotoShame trend.
They are unveiling hardware at MWC on February 26. Hitting them with this will distract from their earned coverage and possibly break through their unwillingness to hear customer complaints on the matter.
3) The tweets need a visual element. Pictures get attention on Twitter. A couple of options:
a) Post pictures of our Moto Zs being sad about Motorola's absentee parenting. quick example of Marvin the Hitchhiker Android speaking for my Z Play
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b) think of those pet shaming posts people put up, except this time we memeify sad-faced motorola logos or other promotional material with a sign purportedly from Motorola confessing its bad behavior in re: updates.4) We need a clear demand. We should demand 2 years of guaranteed updates to Moto's premium line matches the cheapo Android One line guarantee. Suggested Tweet text "We made Moto Z a success, now Moto needs to match bargain Android One's 2 year OS upgrade guarantee #MotoShame" [attach image]I'm not going to press the matter if no one is interested. But I like my Z Play, and I'd like to receive a reasonable amount of support. When I complain to moto alone, they ignore me. Only hope of making a difference is if we complain together. Is anyone interested? If so, how would you contribute (memifying moto shaming logos for people to add to their tweets, posting info and reminders on other forums, tweeting on Feb 26, etc)?
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Nah, not interested.
Shaming and memes? It's my only meaning in life.
Hey, I don't really know about the update policy . But I wanted to ask one thing. Are we going to get ANDROID O? OR is nougat the last update for Moto z play? Btw , I'm interested #motoshame
Dont really care much for updates
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Hey, I don't really know about the update policy . But I wanted to ask one thing. Are we going to get ANDROID O? OR is nougat the last update for Moto z play? Btw , I'm interested #motoshame
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The whole point is that there is no update policy, ergo, we'll never know what our last upgrade will be, or when it will be. We get cut off whenever moto gets sick of us.
So does that mean Android 7 is our last update or are we going to get Android 8(O) as well!?
It means if you want an answer to that question, you're going to have to demand one... from Motorola. "No policy" means they won't answer or even decide until they feel like it. Thus: #MotoShame.
Hi my friend, as I told you in MZP Group, this thread could be a lot like spam. And here is why i think that:
1.- You can not force Lenovo (or motorola) to give you an update, because they did not signed anything, they are not forced to give you an update, they just sell you their phone.
2.- Motorola has a 2 year warranty, if you want a signed document you will better make a request in change.org or something like that, and thats why Moto Z series users we dont have to be worried about updates but if you Remember the Moto G3 will not have the nougat update, and a lot of users claimed the update if you want 2 years warranty you will better make it for all moto devices.
3.- Its a terrible idea to make noise in the MWC days, because the only thing you will achieve is to give even more fame to lenovo, a lot of politicians makes this to be even more recognized, and the only thing you will achieve is raise the lenovo's shares of stock. If you want to take some attention then make DDoS attack to their servers.
4.- I do not care about updates, in less than a year im sure that i will have unlocked my bootloader and ill be trying the amazing roms of the XDA's people, im sure that you will have Android P or even Android Q thanks To XDA.
5.- I had the Moto G 1st Gen and let me tell you that Moto did an amazing job with the updates policy, mine was in Android 4.3, later 4.4 and finally 5.0 ... and thanks to the devs Moto G 1st Gen has android 6.0, if that was with a moto g, dont mind about a Moto Z Play ...
6.- I think it is better to make a polite request to lenovo than to make a lot of noise and hitting 'em to their mark image, as we say in Mexico "en el pedir está el dar" (in the asking is the giving).
Think about it mate.
As others here have said, you're alone in this view. Many of us are thrilled that Motorola updates phones like the Z Play as quickly as they do. The Axon 7 and Honor 8 both got nougat the same week we did, and those are ZTE/Huawei's flagships. The Z Play is a budget phone (albeit a very good one), the fact that it has nougat already is impressive. They tell you which phones will be updated, give you an idea of when they think it will happen, and then actually do it. They're no OnePlus, but they've got carriers to deal with and far more SKUs. For a company that size, Motorola is one of if not the best when it comes to updates.
People have been politely requesting a clear policy for years. Motorola and others have ignored it. If users are ok with that, I'm not looking to convince them otherwise. Just offering a platform for those that want to to finally be heard from.
I asked Motorola specifically about the length of support for the Z Play (future updates, not the speed of current ones which has nothing to do with thread), they said it was unknowable. Android One support isn't unknowable, and those phones are half the price of the Z Play.
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Hi my friend, as I told you in MZP Group, this thread could be a lot like spam. And here is why i think that:
5.- I had the Moto G 1st Gen and let me tell you that Moto did an amazing job with the updates policy, mine was in Android 4.3, later 4.4 and finally 5.0 ... and thanks to the devs Moto G 1st Gen has android 6.0, if that was with a moto g, dont mind about a Moto Z Play ...
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The G has 7.1.1
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The G has 7.1.1
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No, it does not. He was talking about the first gen Moto G, which got 5.1 officially. The Moto G gen 3 got 6.0. Only the 4th gen Moto G gets Nougat.
I only count Official update from Moto.
Yeah because what a shame it would be if a device got its update not from the manufacturer but from other sources.
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Yeah because what a shame it would be if a device got its update not from the manufacturer but from other sources.
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To be fair, custom ROMs don't include features like Moto actions, active display, and touchless controls, which are all pretty useful. But if someone released a ROM with Moto features working that was relatively bug-free, who cares if it's official or not?
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To be fair, custom ROMs don't include features like Moto actions, active display, and touchless controls, which are all pretty useful. But if someone released a ROM with Moto features working that was relatively bug-free, who cares if it's official or not?
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At the same time, the people on forums like XDA are a tiny fraction of phone purchasers and know about rooting, ROM-ing, etc. Most people purchase phones without a desire to or knowledge of modding and would appreciate concrete and adhered-to policies ahead of the launch of a phone so that they know what they're getting in to.
Personally, I'd much prefer reliable info from the manufacturer and not have to root/ROM each phone that I get. I used to root before getting the MZP, but now I like the fact that I can use Android Pay again. The older I get, the more responsibilities I have, the less time I have to play around with my phones (although I personally enjoy it). I now want devices that just work and get updated in a timely, predictable manner.
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At the same time, the people on forums like XDA are a tiny fraction of phone purchasers and know about rooting, ROM-ing, etc. Most people purchase phones without a desire to or knowledge of modding and would appreciate concrete and adhered-to policies ahead of the launch of a phone so that they know what they're getting in to.
Personally, I'd much prefer reliable info from the manufacturer and not have to root/ROM each phone that I get. I used to root before getting the MZP, but now I like the fact that I can use Android Pay again. The older I get, the more responsibilities I have, the less time I have to play around with my phones (although I personally enjoy it). I now want devices that just work and get updated in a timely, predictable manner.
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To that point, most people don't know what security updates are. Most people choose not to update when they have an update. So again, kind of a moot point.
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As others here have said, you're alone in this view. Many of us are thrilled that Motorola updates phones like the Z Play as quickly as they do. The Axon 7 and Honor 8 both got nougat the same week we did, and those are ZTE/Huawei's flagships. The Z Play is a budget phone (albeit a very good one), the fact that it has nougat already is impressive. They tell you which phones will be updated, give you an idea of when they think it will happen, and then actually do it. They're no OnePlus, but they've got carriers to deal with and far more SKUs. For a company that size, Motorola is one of if not the best when it comes to updates.
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To be clear, the MZP does not have Nougat already, at least not in the US and not rolled out by Motorola.
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To that point, most people don't know what security updates are. Most people choose not to update when they have an update. So again, kind of a moot point.
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Do you have a source for that?
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To be clear, the MZP does not have Nougat already, at least not in the US and not rolled out by Motorola.
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Do you have a source for that?
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Do you have any friends? Family members? Co-workers? Anyone you can ask? I bet more people than not have no idea the software on their phone is out of date. Go talk to non-technical people, I'm always amazed when I talk to "normal people" how little they know or care about their phones.
I'm not saying your wrong that Moto should have an update policy in place because it's pretty obvious that they should. My point is that they're not alone: no other phone manufacturer except OnePlus, blackberry, and google have a solid update policy that they stand behind and deliver on regularly. And unfortunately the majority of people are fine with that. Trying to humiliate a company for following an industry standard is pretty crazy, imo. Those of us who have had lots of Motorola's over the years, have called tech support, have gotten updates, have torn our hair out trying to unlock bootloaders that we're never meant to be unlocked, we see the current Motorola working harder than it ever has before to get us quick updates. Bashing them for that just isn't right.
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Do you have any friends? Family members? Co-workers? Anyone you can ask? I bet more people than not have no idea the software on their phone is out of date. Go talk to non-technical people, I'm always amazed when I talk to "normal people" how little they know or care about their phones.
I'm not saying your wrong that Moto should have an update policy in place because it's pretty obvious that they should. My point is that they're not alone: no other phone manufacturer except OnePlus, blackberry, and google have a solid update policy that they stand behind and deliver on regularly. And unfortunately the majority of people are fine with that. Trying to humiliate a company for following an industry standard is pretty crazy, imo. Those of us who have had lots of Motorola's over the years, have called tech support, have gotten updates, have torn our hair out trying to unlock bootloaders that we're never meant to be unlocked, we see the current Motorola working harder than it ever has before to get us quick updates. Bashing them for that just isn't right.
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You misconstrued my earlier opinion as supporting the bashing. I never said that.
Asking my friends, family, and coworkers would not result in statistically significant data on whether or not the general phone user is aware of or installs updates when presented to them by their OS. In the few minutes I had, I was neither able to find data that would support nor refute your hypothesis. This is also why I did not say that I believe that most users know about or install updates, because I have no data to support that. It was simply a statement from my point of view.
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As my previous thread says Atrix may get ICS officially from Moto! getting good response from the Atrix users of XDA.
Many told to raise the voice on the Official Motorola Forum. I think that's a very good idea.
So I found the thread on Motorola Support Forum which discussing ICS on Atrix
So I urge all the commenters who commented on my previous thread should also leave a comment on Motorola Atrix ICS Thread on Motorola Official Forum.
Please leave a comment there. It may help us to get the ICS soon.
Unity is strength. I'm also thinking to tweet about it to Motorola. So lets start it. If we can trend #GiveICStoAtrix on twitter Motorola must look this matter heavily.
So I'm tweeting now.
@Motorola Give Motorola Atrix ICS Support. The phone worth it. #GiveICStoAtrix
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If any of you use twitter just tweet this message.
@Motorola Give Motorola Atrix ICS Support. The phone worth it. #GiveICStoAtrix
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We'll get the ICS. Inshallah. Unity is strength. Let's roar together. Motorola will have to listen then.
I will not buy a motorola phone any more.That is the best answer.Although it can updates,the kernel is still 2.6 32
I have been following that thread, and posting in it, for a while now. The vast majority of posts are just people saying they will not buy a Motorola phone again. No useful information it it.
I have been an active follower for that thread since beginning .. believe me moto is stubborn .. just waiting for our cool Dev's to get CM9
@Motorola Give Motorola Atrix ICS Support. The phone worth it. #GiveICStoAtrix done .. hope there's someone listening on the other end ..
retweeted. i completely agree. It's a shame that it's ok for a company not to update software on a phone that is less than a year old. especially when we are talking about what should be an open source operating system.
I don't see a single reason for Motorola to provide ICS for Atrix.
Would you agree to buy ICS upgrade for $5? $10? $0.99? I myself even consider to pay up to $50.
Why would they provide anything for free to those who already paid in full?
We have no subscription type with monthly payments to ask.
How could they protect those paid updates from XDA hackers? (not that I have anything against the wonderful XDA community?)
I want to point that majority of us will not buy another Moto phone FOR A LIMITED PERIOD OF TIME. Till our next favorite brings back the same crap for their next generation devices...
OK, so Moto will be happy to sell next devices to those who didn't eat Atrix ICS issue. And Sony, LG, Samsung will sell to us.
In few years all of us have to decide again to whom we will like or curse...
I'm not expecting anything from a corporation like Moto fro free.
Only community driven efforts will bring us workable ICS...
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I don't see a single reason for Motorola to provide ICS for Atrix.
Would you agree to buy ICS upgrade for $5? $10? $0.99? I myself even consider to pay up to $50.
Why would they provide anything for free to those who already paid in full?
We have no subscription type with monthly payments to ask.
How could they protect those paid updates from XDA hackers? (not that I have anything against the wonderful XDA community?)
I want to point that majority of us will not buy another Moto phone FOR A LIMITED PERIOD OF TIME. Till our next favorite brings back the same crap for their next generation devices...
OK, so Moto will be happy to sell next devices to those who didn't eat Atrix ICS issue. And Sony, LG, Samsung will sell to us.
In few years all of us have to decide again to whom we will like or curse...
I'm not expecting anything from a corporation like Moto fro free.
Only community driven efforts will bring us workable ICS...
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It's not a question of reasons not to provide ICS. Any introductory business class will tell you that customer loyalty is a very important thing. Happy customers bring in more customers. Plus, a company that supports updates for their devices for more than 1 or 2 years would be a major selling point.
The fact is, it wouldn't cost motorola that much to port ICS for tegra devices. the xoom already has it, they would just have to employ 2/3 engineers for a month to port the proper binaries. And it would be major news and publicity.
I don't see a single reason for them NOT to port ICS for the atrix. Or at least port the binaries.
And why in the hell would anyone pay for an open source operating system?
If Moto decides to push ICS to the atrix, they have to do extra work to make FP scanner and webtop to work. FP being exclusive to the original Atrix only, and webtop being exclusive to just a handful of devices, of which only the newest device (Razr) being announced for ICS. If Motorola decides to update the Atrix (and photon and Atrix 2), it will be labor with very little return on investment. Yes it is an oversight that makes Motorola look bad, but the only people who care are Android enthusiasts which unfortunately is a small margin of their customer base. And the carriers may not be willing to continue supporting these devices through their network so it's a gamble, and not completely up to Motorola.
The next difficulty is to push the updates through the carriers. This can take 8 months to a year or more to complete, if approved. Some users in certain countries are only just recently able to obtain Gingerbread officially. Yes Google's policy is to maintain updates for 18 months, however the Atrix came out prior to the merger (which is still pending) so I don't have high hopes for that argument to prevail.
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If Moto decides to push ICS to the atrix, they have to do extra work to make FP scanner and webtop to work. FP being exclusive to the original Atrix only, and webtop being exclusive to just a handful of devices, of which only the newest device (Razr) being announced for ICS. If Motorola decides to update the Atrix (and photon and Atrix 2), it will be labor with very little return on investment. Yes it is an oversight that makes Motorola look bad, but the only people who care are Android enthusiasts which unfortunately is a small margin of their customer base. And the carriers may not be willing to continue supporting these devices through their network so it's a gamble, and not completely up to Motorola.
The next difficulty is to push the updates through the carriers. This can take 8 months to a year or more to complete, if approved. Some users in certain countries are only just recently able to obtain Gingerbread officially. Yes Google's policy is to maintain updates for 18 months, however the Atrix came out prior to the merger (which is still pending) so I don't have high hopes for that argument to prevail.
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Fingerprint scanner support is actually a native ICS feature, so they only have to rebuild webtop.
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Who wants to run a stock blur rom anyway. All we need is drivers.........
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It's not a question of reasons not to provide ICS. Any introductory business class will tell you that customer loyalty is a very important thing. Happy customers bring in more customers. Plus, a company that supports updates for their devices for more than 1 or 2 years would be a major selling point.
The fact is, it wouldn't cost motorola that much to port ICS for tegra devices. the xoom already has it, they would just have to employ 2/3 engineers for a month to port the proper binaries. And it would be major news and publicity.
I don't see a single reason for them NOT to port ICS for the atrix. Or at least port the binaries.
And why in the hell would anyone pay for an open source operating system?
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Yeah! I also don't see any major reason NOT to get the ICS for Atrix. Besides, just think how bad reviews they will get when they won't update such powerful device like Atrix to ICS. People will sue them. I don't think Sanjay Jha is that much fool!
Went through that cumbersome registration period just to post a reply to that post.
Doubt it will achieve anything.
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Went through that cumbersome registration period just to post a reply to that post.
Doubt it will achieve anything.
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Yeah! Its a bit annoying! The site is slow because it uses HTTPS! But why will we leave any stone unturned? We'll have to try every possible way to get this precious ICS for us. Coz we worth it. Thanks for your support anyways.
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Yeah! I also don't see any major reason NOT to get the ICS for Atrix. Besides, just think how bad reviews they will get when they won't update such powerful device like Atrix to ICS. People will sue them. I don't think Sanjay Jha is that much fool!
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People will sue cause they didnt get 4.0 on their phone? Thats a bit much.
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I was part of the movement to get GB to Atrix in UK ....
and guess what I figured, no one who matters at Motorola looks at the official forums ....
and they went on to ignore their own forums and almost always posted any news regarding the issue on facebook and twitter first ....
And finally after thousands of posts and several bannings they only released the update on 29th of November 2011 a full year after the release of Nexus S the first GB phone ....
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We should create a petition and a united group on social nteworks like Google+, Facebook,Twitter !!!!
It's not going to help
I don't reckon anything users DO can help. What will help is if people continue to buy/activate/use this awesome phone they've called the Atrix.
Just like with the DEV support the Moto Defy got/is getting, the more people that are actually going to take advantage of the update, the more DEVs (and hopefully Moto) will get interested. Though, if Moto were interested, they would already be working on ICS for Atrix and we wouldn't even know it.
AND the Xoom tablet is getting ICS first, then maybe RAZR (the new one) then other NEW phones...then MAYBE Atrix (oh and Atrix 2 will be ahead of us). So don't hold your breath...just hoping the DEVs can crack these camera and video issues.
Enjoy the device for what it is...an awesome phone. Bagging motorola isn't going to help us get anything. Get a nice stable build of CM7 or whatever flavour ROM you like and this phone flies.
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We should create a petition and a united group on social nteworks like Google+, Facebook,Twitter !!!!
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saiftheboss7 said:
As my previous thread says Atrix may get ICS officially from Moto! getting good response from the Atrix users of XDA.
Many told to raise the voice on the Official Motorola Forum. I think that's a very good idea.
So I found the thread on Motorola Support Forum which discussing ICS on Atrix
So I urge all the commenters who commented on my previous thread should also leave a comment on Motorola Atrix ICS Thread on Motorola Official Forum.
Please leave a comment there. It may help us to get the ICS soon.
Unity is strength. I'm also thinking to tweet about it to Motorola. So lets start it. If we can trend #GiveICStoAtrix on twitter Motorola must look this matter heavily.
So I'm tweeting now.
If any of you use twitter just tweet this message.
We'll get the ICS. Inshallah. Unity is strength. Let's roar together. Motorola will have to listen then.
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nice Initiative, But i afraid Motorola doesn't hear our voice....
I highly doubt Motorola gives a shiit about their users.
Feels like being hit and run by Moto..
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It doesn't seem to be selling very well. Or have any ROM development (but that's a separate topic).
I mean it has some game changing features, but I don't think people really understood those unique features it offers. The Rogers employees at various stores didn't even have a clue about Touchless Controls so what selling point would they pitch to a client looking to get a new phone? It's got "less cores", "I would just go with the Galaxy S4". The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release. It's sad, really. Is that why the only two OEM's doing well (Samsung, Apple) are the ones that bombard us with advertising?
I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
I dunno it seems like the Moto X is the best phone that not many people bought. Seems like a complete marketing failure if anything.
I hope I'm wrong about this!
Discuss.
Does whether or not it sells well affect your usage of the device?
For me, it doesn't. I'm sure Google and Motorola are aware of the mountain they need to climb in order to build mindshare and attain high sales, and they probably don't expect it to happen immediately with this one device.
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Does whether or not it sells well affect your usage of the device?
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This was never implied in any way, shape or form. What is the reasoning behind this question?
It's not really about the phone at all. It's about what I suspect was a poor marketing execution for a product that could have turned a lot more heads than it has. I mean, sure I don't have statistics, but I'm posting it as an open discussion to see if other people feel this way or if I'm just crazy...
Having went to school for advertising/marketing, it genuinely bothers me when GOOD products fail to sell well because of a failed marketing campaign. It happens a lot, but with Google backing Motorola up on this one, I expected a little more as far as the marketing side goes.
They may be waiting until Motomaker comes out for all carriers to hardcore advertise, they have a few ads out already, go to YouTube and search "Lazy Phone"
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Last I heard it was a "success" in Motorola's eyes.
It might be a success in the USA, but not in Canada. There's no marketing whatsoever going on. All the nice displays & merchandising seen in the US is nowhere to be found in Canada.
I agree with the OP - When I went to buy it outright at Future Shop, they looked at me and said "Why don't you buy a Samsung or Nexus? That phone isn't up to par."
Unfortunately, Motorola Canada continues to underwhelm... Saddening, really. This phone really is the best-kept secret on the market... in Canada.
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Motorola is owned by Google, how well this excellent phone is selling is not an issue for me at all.
Now if it was an HTC phone, and a flop, I'd be worried.
As for the dev support, This is the first device I've ever owned that I didn't feel needed "fixing" with a custom ROM. We have Root, we have Xposed mods, I'm good.
The problem with today's consumers..
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Motorola is owned by Google, how well this excellent phone is selling is not an issue for me at all.
Now if it was an HTC phone, and a flop, I'd be worried.
As for the dev support, This is the first device I've ever owned that I didn't feel needed "fixing" with a custom ROM. We have Root, we have Xposed mods, I'm good.
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I was honestly hoping this would be a good device to learn about developing roms on. I have a bunch of things I want to do and no one to go ask for help ;_;
That's what the nexus phones are for
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It doesn't seem to be selling very well.
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The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release.
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I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
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In the United States, it has been sold out from Verizon Wireless retail stores within a 50-mile radius of me for weeks. So I think that it is selling fairly well.
You are correct that it hasn't been marketed very well. But that all comes down to marketing spend in two areas:
1) Advertisements. Other manufacturers (Samsung, Apple) have more prominently-placed advertisements. Even Motorola and Verizon Wireless tend to promote the Droid RAZR / Ultra / Maxx phones over the Moto X.
2) In-store placement. If you go into a retail store, you'll likely find other phones right at the entrance to the store. The Moto X is usually in the back.
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I was honestly hoping this would be a good device to learn about developing roms on. I have a bunch of things I want to do and no one to go ask for help ;_;
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If you wanted to learn developing you should have gone with a more open device (Nexus 4).
Also, coming from a N4 myself, this is the first phone I don't want to root and mod. I would flash roms, kernels, and tinker with the N4 all the time. But this phone has the perfect blend of software.
The reason people normally flash roms is to get closer to AOSP, and this phone is pretty much pure android with some welcomed additions.
#TeamStockMotoX lol
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This was never implied in any way, shape or form. What is the reasoning behind this question?
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It was an honest question because some people might actually start to become unhappy with the Moto X if it doesn't sell well. I didn't know if that was the case with you or not--some might make that clear in their post, and some might not. Again, it was just a question. There really is no need to be so defensive.
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If you wanted to learn developing you should have gone with a more open device (Nexus 4).
Also, coming from a N4 myself, this is the first phone I don't want to root and mod. I would flash roms, kernels, and tinker with the N4 all the time. But this phone has the perfect blend of software.
The reason people normally flash roms is to get closer to AOSP, and this phone is pretty much pure android with some welcomed additions.
#TeamStockMotoX lol
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The extra storage in this phone won me over. Either way, I'm mainly interested in audio stuff. If possible I'd like to mod the phone to do something similar to Voodoo Sound's DAC direct and analog amp. Aside from that I'd like the ability to build AOSP from the source for this device, which I'm pretty sure is possible with the kernel source Motorola posted a while back.
I think advertising might be more aggressive here in the States than in Canada. The only commercials for the Moto X I've seen are the ones with TJ miller and I've only seen them online, not TV since I haven't been watching it recently.
I have seen a lot of national moto x spots during sporting events on television. especially ncaa and nfl football.
Ah okay I wasn't aware it was doing so well in the states. I guess my observation only holds true for Canada. It really is the best android phone to date IMHO. That's why I was thrown off when I saw it was getting zero recognition here in Canada lol. It's good to hear it's at least somewhat successful because they (Google and Moto) revolutionised how I interact with my phone. When major changes like Touchless Controls or Active Notifications are successful, perhaps it will inspire other manufacturers to dust off those R&D facilities and try something new once in a while.
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It was an honest question because some people might actually start to become unhappy with the Moto X if it doesn't sell well. I didn't know if that was the case with you or not--some might make that clear in their post, and some might not. Again, it was just a question. There really is no need to be so defensive.
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Ah okay I was just thrown off cause the point of me making this thread was BECAUSE I believe the Moto X is an amazing phone, why is it not getting recognized - kind of thing. Reading back, I could have worded it better to reflect that. Sorry.
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I personally love my Moto X.
It's essentially a Nexus device with a couple extra goodies for increased functionality.
Sure the camera needs a little tweaking here n' there, but it's overall a wonderful phone.
This phone came at a perfect time for me. I don't want to flash roms every other day anymore. With my new son my priorities are elsewhere now.
Doesn't matter to me if it's not selling well, just means I'll get extra wow factor when showing it off because less people know about it. As long as motorola keeps supporting it, I'm a happy camper.
I snapped this pic real quick inside At&t retail while ordering my 32gig motomaker card. They are pushing it pretty hard.
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It doesn't seem to be selling very well. Or have any ROM development (but that's a separate topic).
I mean it has some game changing features, but I don't think people really understood those unique features it offers. The Rogers employees at various stores didn't even have a clue about Touchless Controls so what selling point would they pitch to a client looking to get a new phone? It's got "less cores", "I would just go with the Galaxy S4". The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release. It's sad, really. Is that why the only two OEM's doing well (Samsung, Apple) are the ones that bombard us with advertising?
I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
I dunno it seems like the Moto X is the best phone that not many people bought. Seems like a complete marketing failure if anything.
I hope I'm wrong about this!
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What are your sources for sales? Or is this just a personal observation? Google and moto seem to be pretty happy with its sales... ya, it's no iphone or Galaxy in terms of sales, but everything here in the states have been bouncing been in stock/out of stock.
Overall, I care little about how well a device sells as long as it continues to be supported by the manufacturer. I don't think they were aiming for a big swing in market share, but rather, proving a point about how the industry has become over obsessed with specs and to bring the mobile device manufacturing process back to the states. Discounting sales, which is definitely important, I think the moto x had been a great success for what it was made to achieve... And I think it will continue to prove more successful in the coming months. Just my personal observation.
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I purchased the Axon 7 and I really liked it, but the bootloader on the device is locked and personally feeling that you paid for it, it is your device, you should be able to do with what you want. So I wrote to the company, ZTE, and asked them if there was going to be an unlock. This is there response.
"Dear Valued ZTE Customer
Thanks for contacting ZTE.
We would like to inform you that, we do not provide any bootloaders to the customers.
Since we follow a very strict warranty policy, we maintain that any changes to the user interface of the device done by the customers, would voids warranty on them.
Which we basically refer as rooting, and hence we do not support or recommend that to the customer either.
Should you require any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best Regards!"
The bootloader will not be unlocked and I have returned my phone.
While this isn't great news, I definitely wouldn't consider it confirmation that they're going against what was announced earlier. In my experience you could email them 4 times and get at least 2-3 different answers.
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While this isn't great news, I definitely wouldn't consider it confirmation that they're going against what was announced earlier. In my experience you could email them 4 times and get at least 2-3 different answers.
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well so far there seems to be more clues pointing towards them not unlocking it. We really havent heard concrete proof they were ever going to it just besides one rep on their community page hinting but not even confirming they would.
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While this isn't great news, I definitely wouldn't consider it confirmation that they're going against what was announced earlier. In my experience you could email them 4 times and get at least 2-3 different answers.
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Yeah, there has been specific information from ZTE stating that they plan to unlock the bootloader. These people answering customer service emails clearly aren't up to speed and you probably WILL get different responses from different customer service reps.
This may be a form letter sent out by a customer service representative, but there is a reason the wording in the letter was chosen. I had previously stated that they probably would not unlock the bootloader because one of their major selling points is their "warranty". For them to honor that claim to either fix or replace devices, they need them to be standardized. That would mean the bootloader would not be unlocked. It would be a lot harder to service varying devices and there is also the problem of users messing up their phones and trying to get them replaced. Easier for them just to keep things locked. If this phone is ever unlocked, I will be buying it again. Right now, it's almost like buying a brick, as I can't do a thing with and there will probably be zero development for this device.
so someone asked a zte community mod about it and it seems like if it does even come its gonna be a long time. They told this person to get a case, skin, and screen protector because your in it for the long haul lol....so its gonna be months lol
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UPDATE$$$$$::: NEVERMIND GUYS ITS THE OPPOSITE! They said youd need a case and all that stuff cause i will need it because the bootloader will be unlocked!!!
You contacted zte customer service and took anything they said to heart. Assuming you know what XDA is.
Asked them about android 7 while your at it.
Welp , looks like I won't be buying this as an alternative to the Note 7.....
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Welp , looks like I won't be buying this as an alternative to the Note 7.....
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You must not have read the whole post, and this Post is useless because had the guy bothered to google Axon 7 bootloader he would have seen the many thread over in the community at ZTEUSA.com , ZTE has listened and continues to listen to everything there community voices, this phone WILL be unlocked
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You must not have read the whole post, and this Post is useless because had the guy bothered to google Axon 7 bootloader he would have seen the many thread over in the community at ZTEUSA.com , ZTE has listened and continues to listen to everything there community voices, this phone WILL be unlocked
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You put a lot of faith in the words of a large corporation with a history of having phones completely locked down. Personally, I think it's a valid concern that a company with zero history of encouraging development might either not unlock the bootloader at all, unlock the bootloader but void the warranty (arguably, one of the big draws of the phone, their 2 year warranty), or wait so long to unlock it that a new generation of phones/competition has come out at that point.
I think if they're really listening to the community and they truly do plan on unlocking the bootloader, they should commit to a date or, at least, a milestone (ie they want to get x working completely before they release it). Words are cheap.
I know it was just released so I understand it might take them a while to do so but they have about a month or so to show me some indication they plan on following through (or provide a timeline) and then I'm just going to buy the OP3. After seeing how they handled their release date, I don't have much faith in the company handling things correctly. Maybe that's just me though.
jbrookley said:
You put a lot of faith in the words of a large corporation with a history of having phones completely locked down. Personally, I think it's a valid concern that a company with zero history of encouraging development might either not unlock the bootloader at all, unlock the bootloader but void the warranty (arguably, one of the big draws of the phone, their 2 year warranty), or wait so long to unlock it that a new generation of phones/competition has come out at that point.
I think if they're really listening to the community and they truly do plan on unlocking the bootloader, they should commit to a date or, at least, a milestone (ie they want to get x working completely before they release it). Words are cheap.
I know it was just released so I understand it might take them a while to do so but they have about a month or so to show me some indication they plan on following through (or provide a timeline) and then I'm just going to buy the OP3. After seeing how they handled their release date, I don't have much faith in the company handling things correctly. Maybe that's just me though.
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i'm in the same boat as you. I have my axon 7 and Im waiting for a bootloader unlock or I'm returning. Im giving them 7 more days if nothing else then I'm returning.
jim262 said:
I purchased the Axon 7 and I really liked it, but the bootloader on the device is locked and personally feeling that you paid for it, it is your device, you should be able to do with what you want. So I wrote to the company, ZTE, and asked them if there was going to be an unlock. This is there response.
The bootloader will not be unlocked and I have returned my phone.
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Serious ****post.
Please read this instead of being a twit
aknotts415 said:
i'm in the same boat as you. I have my axon 7 and Im waiting for a bootloader unlock or I'm returning. Im giving them 7 more days if nothing else then I'm returning.
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If you only give it a week, you shouldn't wait... It's very unlikely it will be unlocked before we hit september. They have far more important issue to fix atm than the bootloader.
But i do believe that it'll be unlocked no matter what, the unofficial hints on the official forum by a zte representative couldn't be clearer.
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Dreaming of bootloader unlocking?
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Background for those who are late to this topic: it's completely true that we were cryptic in our response on the webinar just two weeks ago. However, our intention was simple: don't announce anything that we are not yet ready to deliver.
On a similar note, we also wanted to be certain that everyone understands the difference between unlocked devices and carrier-locked phones. The latter is what ZTE primarily sells at the moment, and these devices will never have any bootloader unlocking support. The former, however, is where ZTE has started gaining experience in the US market, namely with the debut of the Axon product line just last year.
With Z-Community's launch two months ago (happy anniversary!), we stand committed to our customers - listening to what you value and want from an unlocked flagship device. While we are still new at the unlocked device market in the US, our goal is to make large strides with you to drive product features, functionality, and yes bootloader unlocking for unlocked devices.
To wrap up this thread, this topic has been discussed so many times that I've been dreaming of it lately. But to be certain, I'm not just dreaming about it, and neither should you. Get it? Got it? Good!
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This quote is from the the Z-Community so yeah waiting for the unlocking procedure.
P.S. not owning one at this moment but on my way for store Pick-up (Best Buy ) lucky me they have a brand new one in stock
djona12 said:
If you only give it a week, you shouldn't wait... It's very unlikely it will be unlocked before we hit september. They have far more important issue to fix atm than the bootloader.
But i do believe that it'll be unlocked no matter what, the unofficial hints on the official forum by a zte representative couldn't be clearer.
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Your probly correct. I'm not getting to close to the 30 day trial end though. I might give it till aug 14 but after that its going back. Its different when its a formal announcement but when its this silly guessing game of stupid wording where they cant tell us just give us hints, then I can't trust them. They cant even deliver a modest amount of units of the phone. Just look at the reddits or xda forums. Its the same 40 users that have the phone. Its def not in a lot of peoples hands. So how could I possibly trust them saying it will be unlocked when truth be told says its probly not or wont be for a while.
Is letting others know of the letter I received from ZTE being a twit? Sorry you do not like my opinion and hopefully they will change their policy, although history kind of says they won't. But if they do, the phone will still be available, but unless people do not take a stand, their is no reason for ZTE to change the way they do business.
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Is letting others know of the letter I received from ZTE being a twit? Sorry you do not like my opinion and hopefully they will change their policy, although history kind of says they won't. But if they do, the phone will still be available, but unless people do not take a stand, their is no reason for ZTE to change the way they do business.
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I beleive what you said. I dont think your a twit. I to am very hesitant to trust zte, because? why should we? The phone launch has been nothing but smooth. They cant fill hardly many pre-orders but to have a ton delayed over a month later? What? And then people want me to trust ZTE? Please lol. I have my axon 7 so I'm hoping the bootloader unlock is soon but In my mind this phone is as good as returned already. Plus my volume rocker is very very loose and needs to go back anyway so I havent decided on a return or advanced exchange.
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You put a lot of faith in the words of a large corporation with a history of having phones completely locked down. Personally, I think it's a valid concern that a company with zero history of encouraging development might either not unlock the bootloader at all, unlock the bootloader but void the warranty (arguably, one of the big draws of the phone, their 2 year warranty), or wait so long to unlock it that a new generation of phones/competition has come out at that point.
I think if they're really listening to the community and they truly do plan on unlocking the bootloader, they should commit to a date or, at least, a milestone (ie they want to get x working completely before they release it). Words are cheap.
I know it was just released so I understand it might take them a while to do so but they have about a month or so to show me some indication they plan on following through (or provide a timeline) and then I'm just going to buy the OP3. After seeing how they handled their release date, I don't have much faith in the company handling things correctly. Maybe that's just me though.
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Yes I do have faith in this certain company and that because unlike EVERY other company (Samsung, HTC, Google, LG) shortly after when I purchased my Axon Pro they not only provided a gift card to me just to answer some questions for them, they then sent out request to everyone who owned the Axon pro to do a video conference and gave us another gift card so that they could get user feedback on how we like the phone, what we wanted to see in the next model, what we use the most, I mean they spent an hour over video chat studying there consumers. Then before the release of the Axon 7 they opened a community forum to answer questions and work with there consumers to make sure they make the best products they can. Then based on user feedback from the forums after they announced the phone already they added capacitive buttons to the US model because we wanted them, then we requested the bootloader unlocked and they not only state that it is a matter of when and not IF they will unlock but on top of that the VP of product design spent in hour on a group webinar to answer questions for us and give us insight into the phone and the direction of the company going forward. The also have actual employees who participate and talk in the forum unlike alot of companies.
So to answer your statement YES I am giving them the faith because unlike ANY other company they have shown they deserve it.
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But if they do, the phone will still be available, but unless people do not take a stand, their is no reason for ZTE to change the way they do business.
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This. The hardware of the phone looks great, the only thing holding me back in the bootloader. It just seems crazy to me to lose out on a whole demographic (XDA people) by making a decision that doesn't save them any money. Especially since most people outside of XDA, at least in America, have never heard of ZTE.
And if it's a warranty issue just void it for unlocked bootloaders. It's not optimal for the end user but I'd rather have the option to void the warranty and do my own thing with the phone than be locked to their software and have a warranty.
Anyway, I'm fine with the OP3 while they get their act together.
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Yes I do have faith in this certain company and that because unlike EVERY other company (Samsung, HTC, Google, LG) shortly after when I purchased my Axon Pro they not only provided a gift card to me just to answer some questions for them, they then sent out request to everyone who owned the Axon pro to do a video conference and gave us another gift card so that they could get user feedback on how we like the phone, what we wanted to see in the next model, what we use the most, I mean they spent an hour over video chat studying there consumers. Then before the release of the Axon 7 they opened a community forum to answer questions and work with there consumers to make sure they make the best products they can. Then based on user feedback from the forums after they announced the phone already they added capacitive buttons to the US model because we wanted them, then we requested the bootloader unlocked and they not only state that it is a matter of when and not IF they will unlock but on top of that the VP of product design spent in hour on a group webinar to answer questions for us and give us insight into the phone and the direction of the company going forward. The also have actual employees who participate and talk in the forum unlike alot of companies.
So to answer your statement YES I am giving them the faith because unlike ANY other company they have shown they deserve it.
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Shoutout to you from the ZTE forums! See theyve earned your business. They have yet to earn a lot of ours. So far some of us want to believe them but its hard when a lot of customers preordered the phone and now they wont get it till 9/9. Wheres the communication on that? Some preordered on b&h 3 weeks ago and still dont have their device. How are they expected to trust ZTE? To most of us ZTE is just a brand, we do not have brand loyalty yet like you do so we cant just trust them. They need to earn our business just like they did you. I'm not asking for a Gift card or special treatment just down home INFO and FACTs. Not dreams or hints. FACTS.
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LOGAN : Thank you for contacting the Verizon Wireless Chat Team regarding your device. How can we help you today?
You : when is the Droid turbo to receive the marshmallow update?
You : i noticed this https://motorola-global-portal.cust...prod_answer_detail/a_id/102367/p/30,6720,9277
LOGAN : Hi there! I know how important it is to know if you device will be receiving a software update! Let me take a look and I will see If I can find a release date for Marshmallow on the Droid Turbo!
You : thank you
LOGAN : No problem!
LOGAN : I just want to check in on you and let you know I am still researching this for you!
You : ok
LOGAN : Thank you very much!
LOGAN : Ok I was looking over my resources and I see that Motorola is still in the process of testing the Marshmallow update for this device, to ensure it does not cause network or device issues. Once that testing has been completed however they will release the update for this device!
You : ok thanks alot
Sure Verizon is still blame shifting but support says it IS coming.
Verizon has had the Motorola Marshmallow image at least since July 01, 2016 (maybe even earlier!) when Marshmallow started rolling out for other Quarks (XT1225) AND we saw the Wi-Fi certification for 6.0.1 running on Droid Turbo XT1254.
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Doesn't take 3 months to test that when all the other Quarks are running fine with the same image. In fact, some XT1254 are running the Brazil XT1225 Marshmallow image with a custom kernel!
So, what's Verizon's hold-up? Uh, they want to sell NEW phones first. Like the silly Moto Z series....
Uhhhggg. This isn't excellent news at all. Just old news. I don't even care about marshmallow anymore. I just want the suspense to end at this point.
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ChazzMatt said:
So, what's Verizon's hold-up? Uh, they want to sell NEW phones first. Like the silly Moto Z series....
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I don't know about that. 90% of the time, when I try to talk to someone about android and mention any of the OS names, they respond with something like "what? Dessert? You have a marshmallow on your phone? I don't understand." If having the latest OS was really that big of a deal, it would get hyped up more. The only advertisement that I've seen for any recent phone that even mentioned the OS version was for the LG V20. So I don't think Verizon plans on losing any sales because someone thinks "oh wait, that phone from 2014 just got upgraded to not even the latest version of android? Forget that S7 or Z Force Droid or whatever, I'm getting me an OG Turbo."
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I don't know about that. 90% of the time, when I try to talk to someone about android and mention any of the OS names, they respond with something like "what? Dessert? You have a marshmallow on your phone? I don't understand." If having the latest OS was really that big of a deal, it would get hyped up more. The only advertisement that I've seen for any recent phone that even mentioned the OS version was for the LG V20. So I don't think Verizon plans on losing any sales because someone thinks "oh wait, that phone from 2014 just got upgraded to not even the latest version of android? Forget that S7 or Z Force Droid or whatever, I'm getting me an OG Turbo."
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The Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254 (and all Quark) in late 2014 was a spec hound's dream. Verizon made a huge emphasis about the battery, the RAM, the 1440p AMOLED display, Qi wireless, etc. Verizon loved it so much they lied blatantly it was a "worldwide exclusive".
A LOT of people bought the Droid Turbo believing that hype, even people who were not Verizon subscribers. (when in reality one of the other Quarks would have been better for those non-Verizon people.)
Even after we proved the XT1225 was the non-CDMA equivalent (with different FCC ID), there was a 4-page heated argument while the Verizon fanbois refused to admit the XT1250 was IDENTICAL. They didn't want to believe it. They were willing to believe that if Verizon didn't have the "world wide" exclusive, they wanted to believe it was "U.S exclusive". Uh, no -- at least dozen other U.S. carriers sold this exact same device.
My point is this... Droid Turbo owners bought this phone because they were sold on the specs (true), the exclusivity to make them feel special (false), and fast Motorola updates (true at the time, but then increasingly false).
Off the top of your head, what phones out there right now would adequately replace your Droid Turbo XT1254?
The only two easy ones I can think of would be perhaps the 2015 LG G4 (if you bought a European LG Qi wireless back cover) or the 2016 Samsung Galaxy Edge. But neither has all the Moto functions like Moto Display...
OR the 2016 Moto Z Force Droid with the mod extended battery pack with Qi wireless functionality. DING. DING. DING.
That latter one is the only option that also has Moto Display, which Motorola fans love.
And it has Marshmallow.
It's also "exclusive" -- the magic word.
So, for the die hard Droid Turbo fans who love specs and are techies, you would have to pay not only for a new phone but also buy an EXPENSIVE mod to match or beat what you have right now. And if the Droid Turbo also had Marshmallow, it would be even less a winning proposition.
But since the Droid Turbo doesn't have stock Marshmallow (with VoLTE), for techies/nerds, if you want the latest, actually want an "exclusive", then the Moto Z Force looks better for Verizon customers.
It's not unheard of for a company to make one of their products look worse, to make a more expensive one look better -- if it makes them money. Giving the Droid Turbo Marshmallow won't make them any money. NOT giving the Droid Turbo Marshmallow might help them sell new phones to Droid Turbo owners, especially the Moto Z Force.
May sound like a conspiracy theory, but this is the kind of stuff executives talk amongst themselves. They always have a "strategy" whether it's based on reality or not.
ChazzMatt said:
The Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254 (and all Quark) in late 2014 was a spec hound's dream. Verizon made a huge emphasis about the battery, the RAM, the 1440p AMOLED display, Qi wireless, etc. Verizon loved it so much they lied blatantly it was a "worldwide exclusive".
A LOT of people bought the Droid Turbo believing that hype, even people who were not Verizon subscribers. (when in reality one of the other Quarks would have been better for those non-Verizon people.)
Even after we proved the XT1225 was the non-CDMA equivalent (with different FCC ID), there was a 4-page heated argument while the Verizon fanbois refused to admit the XT1250 was IDENTICAL. They didn't want to believe it. They were willing to believe that if Verizon didn't have the "world wide" exclusive, they wanted to believe it was "U.S exclusive". Uh, no -- at least dozen other U.S. carriers sold this exact same device.
My point is this... Droid Turbo owners bought this phone because they were sold on the specs (true), the exclusivity to make them feel special (false), and fast Motorola updates (true at the time, but then increasingly false).
Off the top of your head, what phones out there right now would adequately replace your Droid Turbo XT1254?
The only two easy ones I can think of would be perhaps the 2015 LG G4 (if you bought a European LG Qi wireless back cover) or the 2016 Samsung Galaxy Edge. But neither has all the Moto functions like Moto Display...
OR the 2016 Moto Z Force Droid with the mod extended battery pack with Qi wireless functionality. DING. DING. DING.
That latter one is the only option that also has Moto Display, which Motorola fans love.
And it has Marshmallow.
It's also "exclusive" -- the magic word.
So, for the die hard Droid Turbo fans who love specs and are techies, you would have to pay not only for a new phone but also buy an EXPENSIVE mod to match or beat what you have right now. And if the Droid Turbo also had Marshmallow, it would be even less a winning proposition.
But since the Droid Turbo doesn't have stock Marshmallow (with VoLTE), for techies/nerds, if you want the latest, actually want an "exclusive", then the Moto Z Force looks better for Verizon customers.
It's not unheard of for a company to make one of their products look worse, to make a more expensive one look better -- if it makes them money. Giving the Droid Turbo Marshmallow won't make them any money. NOT giving the Droid Turbo Marshmallow might help them sell new phones to Droid Turbo owners, especially the Moto Z Force.
May sound like a conspiracy theory, but this is the kind of stuff executives talk amongst themselves. They always have a "strategy" whether it's based on reality or not.
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Your explanation would make sense if the average customer cared about specs, but I don't think they do. If the average customer was nerds like us, we'd have unlocked bootloaders on all carriers, stock toggleable root access and timely updates. The reason why we don't is because the carriers know that that's not the case.
The average customer, if I had to guess, cares about how pretty the screen looks, the size of the phone, how pretty the pictures/videos are, and how pretty/popular the phone itself is. That's it. That's why manufacturers started taking away SD card support and removable batteries, and why the Droid Turbo 2 was a hardware downgrade in many ways compared to the original. That's also why modularity became a thing. The manufacturers are desperate to find a way to invent a new feature that is so blatantly obvious that average Joe non techie will notice it.
To summarize, it doesn't make sense to withhold an update to increase sales for two reasons: 90% of your customers don't even know it's coming/dread updates because they don't like learning new things, and the update isn't even to the latest Android version, so even if it was pushed, you still aren't giving the nerds what they want, and therefore they would still need to buy a new phone to get what they want.
Actually the "main" reason for non removable batteries is so you are always able to be triangulated.
You don't want to get into "conspiracies" with moi
Tesla laughs at" Qi" charging
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Of course, with all this testing, you know the update will be flawless and perfect. I can't wait!
All you modders and rommers are just destroying the network, didn't you know?
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Yeah unfortunately it is known it's coming, but when I don't know. Either way, and not to hi-jack the thread here but I'm riding out my turbo as long as the hardware lasts. In the next month or two I will be ordering myself a replacement battery because I have noticed mine is starting to fade, or seems like it at least. I have installed some new apps lately so maybe it's that. I don't know. But, I will replace the battery, it's easy, and keep riding the this phone out. This is the first phone I'm actually not in a hurry to upgrade, maybe because I'm also getting older and have more bills to pay so I just can't afford the latest and greatest anymore. But i still very much enjoy this phone and it doesn't ever seem slow to me and it still is, to this day, a pretty damn good phone in terms of specs. I feel that every phone from this point on, I will drag it along until it dies or becomes so outdated it can barely use the current apps anymore. This phone definitely has another 1-3 years in it.
Sorry, went off on a crazy tangent there.
install Naptime, watch your battery life skyrocket (needs root)
Let me fix that for you.
solidus636 said:
install Naptime, watch your battery life skyrocket (needs MARSHMALLOW)
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BlueForce64 said:
Yeah unfortunately it is known it's coming, but when I don't know. Either way, and not to hi-jack the thread here but I'm riding out my turbo as long as the hardware lasts. In the next month or two I will be ordering myself a replacement battery because I have noticed mine is starting to fade, or seems like it at least. I have installed some new apps lately so maybe it's that. I don't know. But, I will replace the battery, it's easy, and keep riding the this phone out. This is the first phone I'm actually not in a hurry to upgrade, maybe because I'm also getting older and have more bills to pay so I just can't afford the latest and greatest anymore. But i still very much enjoy this phone and it doesn't ever seem slow to me and it still is, to this day, a pretty damn good phone in terms of specs. I feel that every phone from this point on, I will drag it along until it dies or becomes so outdated it can barely use the current apps anymore. This phone definitely has another 1-3 years in it.
Sorry, went off on a crazy tangent there.
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I'm with you friend, as long as I can make "my own updates" work, I'll be using my Turbo (Quark) until it's absolutely dead and/or obsolete! I gave up on VZW upgrades a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...
Yeah definitely!
May sound like a conspiracy theory, but this is the kind of stuff executives talk amongst themselves. They always have a "strategy" whether it's based on reality or not.[/QUOTE]
You sir are correct. Def doesnt sound like a conspiracy theory.
just updated ...
3Dota said:
just updated ...
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probably for LTE advanced update.
So since the Verizon Pixel bootloader was just unlocked by the coolest ninjas I know, there is now a 99.9% chance I'm buying it. Once the unlock method is released, that will become 100%. I'm done waiting an absurd amount of time for 1 or 2 official updates, and the 3rd party solutions just aren't doing it for me. I'll be sacrificing my QHD screen (sniff), but I think it's worth it to get regular updates straight from Google. I'll still be floating around this forum to help people and provide the 100% stock rom of the new update when it comes out though.
This probably isn't related to the original topic of this thread, but neither are the last few posts.
TheSt33v said:
So since the Verizon Pixel bootloader was just unlocked by the coolest ninjas I know, there is now a 99.9% chance I'm buying it. Once the unlock method is released, that will become 100%. I'm done waiting an absurd amount of time for 1 or 2 official updates, and the 3rd party solutions just aren't doing it for me. I'll be sacrificing my QHD screen (sniff), but I think it's worth it to get regular updates straight from Google. I'll still be floating around this forum to help people and provide the 100% stock rom of the new update when it comes out though.
This probably isn't related to the original topic of this thread, but neither are the last few posts.
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Be wary.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69325024&postcount=520
ChazzMatt said:
Be wary.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69325024&postcount=520
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Hmm. Very interesting. It's something to consider, but I doubt it will change my mind. The fact that HTC had a heavy hand in development doesn't bother me. HTC makes great phones, and I've always wanted to own one. I've been haunting the Pixel forums, and everyone seems to love it so far.
TheSt33v said:
Hmm. Very interesting. It's something to consider, but I doubt it will change my mind. The fact that HTC had a heavy hand in development doesn't bother me. HTC makes great phones, and I've always wanted to own one. I've been haunting the Pixel forums, and everyone seems to love it so far.
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one of the aspects that would keep me away from the Pixel is the smaller battery (2700 on the 5.0, but 3450 on the 5.5). given that the Quark has 3900, anything less will be a downgrade. also, the Quark is already too big, so I certainly do not want anything larger.
I know this is old news, but for those wanting Nougat, there is an Xposed module that gives you all of the functionality of Nougat called AndroidN-ify:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules/xposed-android-n-ify-features-t3345091
jco23 said:
one of the aspects that would keep me away from the Pixel is the smaller battery (2700 on the 5.0, but 3450 on the 5.5). given that the Quark has 3900, anything less will be a downgrade. also, the Quark is already too big, so I certainly do not want anything larger.
I know this is old news, but for those wanting Nougat, there is an Xposed module that gives you all of the functionality of Nougat called AndroidN-ify:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules/xposed-android-n-ify-features-t3345091
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It's true that the battery is smaller, but since the screen is only FHD on the small one, it doesn't drain as much power. Also, the 821 is more energy efficient than the 805. And yes, I'm using N-ify right now, but all it does is change the settings menu and the notifications. It certainly doesn't give you all the functionality nougat.
I actually think the turbo is the perfect size. The little pixel is the same size as my old S4, and I don't mind that. Uhhggg. Maybe I do need to think more about this. I just hate not having regular software updates. I hate the fact that we're all waiting over a year for a version of Android that is already obsolete, and that this is the last one we will ever get, if we get it. If CM could just provide me the same signal reception as I get on stock, I'd just stay on RR and not worry about it, but I don't think it ever will. The maintainers of our CM builds don't use CDMA, so I don't think they'd be able to test any improvements even if they wanted to make them.
I am pissed off by information that LG G4, the 2015 FLAGSHIP DEVICE from lg is not going to get nougat update .... THIS IS SOME JOKE and lg need to get their s*it together ... What the fu*k LG ???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!???
You put your money to software development for some crappy devices (that apparently will have nougat) of yours that are sh*t and you can not update one of the best devices out there .. even now the G4 is more than better device for most of consumers and IT IS A SHAME to leave behind some of the best phones of the 2015.
There is no explanation for this type of behavior and i will never buy LG .. never again .. fu*k that sh*t ...
Such a beautifull and powerfull phones and such a irresponsibility ...
I suggest voicing your opinon on LGs Twitter feed. They care more there.
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I suggest voicing your opinon on LGs Twitter feed. They care more there.
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Then tell me what they answered. Thanks.
if its true no more LG. we should all let them know in their tweeter account.
Lg doesnt care about your opinion. Never did never will.
When will you guys figure that out. They dont want to support the g4. They want you to upgrade. Its the way of the world. You. Me. Us. Were such a small part of lgs sales. They dont care. They dont need to care. Theyre mobile division is so small compared to theyre tv and apliance divisions. So ure not gonna buy another lg u say. Thats fine by them. Some one else will buy it. Then u got nexus line built by lg
In the end is all your doing is stressing yourself out over a dang phone guys.
There is more to the world springs coming for some of us. Be happy to be alive.
I had HTC, Samsung, LG. When I look back I cannot say that ANY of those vendors doing the android job well. On long term they ALL suck. Why?
I hate to say it but just look at apple. What is one main part of its success? Development of Hardware and OS is in the same house. This way they can support 1 hardware over several releases and totally optimized between hw and software.
Now look at android. Google provides the main development part on Android meaning the software part. Then hardware vendors step in and adjust it to their needs. Up to here everything is fine.
But then Google says they stop MM development and then security fixes. Google say that now the hardware vendors are responsible from now on to provide patches and updates.
But here the story does not end. The hardware vendors work together with service providers like Verizon etc. Now the hardware vendor says oh I'm not responsible for those ! Updates and patches for these models should be made by the service providers instead.. Do you see where this ends?
I can totally understand the Google way but this simple does NOT work.
Example: The moment when Google decides to drop support patching MM with security patches. 90% of the hardware vendors and service providers in the world just stop here. Yes not all. Some do it better some worse but !! they all focus on specific hardware devices only so called flagships mainly.
There are good ones like blackberry out there. I see a big chance for them to get those people want to have not the latest major release but long term updated security patches. Even when Google stops to do it. Problem blackberry sold the hardware part to TCL so no one knows how this will end.
The other only chance I see which totally make sense would be using Google hardware. The way began with nexus and now goes to pixel. I believe that if Google provides updates and patches on long term for its own hardware it can be a valid choice .
I hate apple don't get me wrong. But I love the way they are able to provide software releases.
I strongly believe that my next device will be either an upcoming blackberry or the next Google pixel release..
Just my useless 5 cents..
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I hate apple don't get me wrong. But I love the way they are able to provide software releases.
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It's not just Apple - Microsoft are more similar to the Android model (one OS on multiple hardware manufacturers) and when an update is available for Windows, it's available immediately for all installs. Same with games consoles from Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo - no update staggering there either.
When it comes to software updates, Google suck. Not only are updates needlessly staggered, but often features are removed, broken or untested until release then they need to patch it, and given the delays in pushing software updates, many people are left long term with severely bugged software.
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I strongly believe that my next device will be either an upcoming blackberry or the next Google pixel release..
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Luckily for me, I don't hate Apple. Also luckily for me, I realise that I use no feature on my phone which is Android specific. I'm so done with Google that my next device is likely to be an iPhone.
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Lg doesnt care about your opinion. Never did never will.
When will you guys figure that out. They dont want to support the g4. They want you to upgrade. Its the way of the world. You. Me. Us. Were such a small part of lgs sales. They dont care. They dont need to care. Theyre mobile division is so small compared to theyre tv and apliance divisions. So ure not gonna buy another lg u say. Thats fine by them. Some one else will buy it. Then u got nexus line built by lg
In the end is all your doing is stressing yourself out over a dang phone guys.
There is more to the world springs coming for some of us. Be happy to be alive.
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whos getting a nexus line,? not me. defenitively and its 2 year update cycle inst over it yet. v10 has it worst.
Let's make dozens of topics with the same posts. It is not over until the fat lady sings. Let's suffocate this topic, LG deserves it. Wait, only users that actually look for useful information will find it difficult with all these topics. Just my 2 (euro) cents.
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whos getting a nexus line,? not me. defenitively and its 2 year update cycle inst over it yet. v10 has it worst.
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Lol. It is a shame. I hate it too. Im on my sprint g4 still on lolipop just so i can have root. Ill never buy a nexus again either. Had to many probs. I guess i came off too strong i wasnt tryin to be rude to no one just state a fact that lg doesnt care about you me or any one other than their greedy selfs
LG, the company i wish i could trust... hmmmm ?
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Lol. It is a shame. I hate it too. Im on my sprint g4 still on lolipop just so i can have root. Ill never buy a nexus again either. Had to many probs. I guess i came off too strong i wasnt tryin to be rude to no one just state a fact that lg doesnt care about you me or any one other than their greedy selfs
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agree. they dont care.. not sure if stopped development for G4 would bring more money then no more people choosing LG.
Well, I guess my G4 bootlooped just in time. Just about time to look to other manufacturers. Jokes aside, even if this is not true, I don't think I'll be getting an LG device any time soon. I'm really tempted to explore other options, since my last 2 devices were LG-made.
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Well, I guess my G4 bootlooped just in time. Just about time to look to other manufacturers. Jokes aside, even if this is not true, I don't think I'll be getting an LG device any time soon. I'm really tempted to explore other options, since my last 2 devices were LG-made.
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I got me a note5 ive been sportin. And i wish it had knock on but other than that i love it. At least samsung owned up to their mistakes and did somethin bout it. Again not much dev for the sprint model but a new note 7 port came out and just like havin my note7 back but rooted.
Guys, I really don't know now, I just found this:
lge.co.kr/lgekor/main.do , my korean or what the hell this is pretty sht, but google says we will get nougat in Q3, which is pretty damn late if true. I can't make the link clickable so just copy/paste it.
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Guys, I really don't know now, I just found this:
lge.co.kr/lgekor/main.do , my korean or what the hell this is pretty sht, but google says we will get nougat in Q3, which is pretty damn late if true. I can't make the link clickable so just copy/paste it.
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better late then nothing dont you agree. apparently its true.
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better late then nothing dont you agree. apparently its true.
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Emphasis on the late here, I mean most people - including me - won't have the phone by then, but hey, at least we will have nougat, which will be most probably sh*t, as they referred to it, but it's something.
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Emphasis on the late here, I mean most people - including me - won't have the phone by then, but hey, at least we will have nougat, which will be most probably ****, as they referred to it, but it's something.
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See my chat with LG. They don't even know any news about Nougat update for their phones. I know it for other phone but you can ask them about LG G4 they will give the same answer.
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Emphasis on the late here, I mean most people - including me - won't have the phone by then, but hey, at least we will have nougat, which will be most probably sh*t, as they referred to it, but it's something.
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but most people will have the phone. and for those that still use this phone its good. we will have to wait and see if its unstable as they said.
INFERNO997 said:
I am pissed off by information that LG G4, the 2015 FLAGSHIP DEVICE from lg is not going to get nougat update .... THIS IS SOME JOKE and lg need to get their s*it together ... What the fu*k LG ???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!???
You put your money to software development for some crappy devices (that apparently will have nougat) of yours that are sh*t and you can not update one of the best devices out there .. even now the G4 is more than better device for most of consumers and IT IS A SHAME to leave behind some of the best phones of the 2015.
There is no explanation for this type of behavior and i will never buy LG .. never again .. fu*k that sh*t ...
Such a beautifull and powerfull phones and such a irresponsibility ...
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/general/official-nougat-g4-v10-q2-2017-t3567402