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Alright, like everyone else, I have grown tired of all the complaining about the 2.1 update. Yes, I would love to get my hands on the official update as I feel our 2.1 leak was pretty buggy. The devs have done great with what they have to work with, and I love running 2.1 even with some of the quirks that are inherent to a hacked ROM.
What I don't get is how everyone can be so upset with Sprint. Personally, I am on Sprint because they are cheap, and offer good cell phone service where I live. That's it. If you are upset with your carrier (as I was with my extremely high bills on Verizon) then buy out your contract and go to another carrier. However, don't expect that you will get your magical 2.1 upgrade any sooner with any other carrier.
Do most people realize that there is not a single Android phone for sale in America that has ever been upgraded to 2.1 from 1.5 or 1.6? In fact, there are only three phones that have ever even received an Android OS upgrade at all. The T-Mobile G1 (1.0-1.6), the T-Mobile myTouch 3G (1.5-1.6), and the Motorola Droid (2.0-2.1). That's it people.
For all the people blaming Sprint, HTC, or even Sense for how long it's taking them, look around. The T-Mobile G1 and myTouch3G both came out before the Hero, both run vanilla Andoid, and neither of them have been upgraded to 2.1. Just look at all the phones that are still running 1.5 and 1.6.
Personally, I think it will be hilarious if Sprint is the first carrier in America to upgrade a phone from 1.5 to 2.1. If this upgrade happens soon, this will certainly be the case. I just don't get how people can be so upset that we don't have the official 2.1 yet when there are only three phones that have it (two of which launched with it, and one of which launched with 2.0).
I apologize for making a new thread, but I wanted the chart below to have it's own space, and I didn't want it to get buried in one of the many other 2.1 threads. I believe this chart contains every Android phone available on one of the 4 major carriers in America. I compiled this list using wikipedia, so I didn't verify that it is 100% valid. I listed only phones available in America, and cleaned up the formatting to make it useful. Enjoy.
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I Gotta say that no one should be PO'D at Sprint,HTC or any other company for that matter, Sprint is the Best carrier I've been. Quit whining 2.1 will arrive before you all know it. Shut up root your hero while you still can flash a custom 2.1 rom and be happy. i Know im not gonna to upgrade to the official release. Ill wait to one my fav dev's puts out a 2.1 rom based off the otw upgrade with all fat trimmed off so it runs the way it should. So everybody behave your selves the upgrade from sprint will come no doubt, then you can go back to whining about how laggy and buggy your 2.1 hero is.
As for me Im gonna flash toast's new one fresh-toast 1.1, oh maybe something from damageless, oh hey darchstar's got a new one wow decision, decisions, lol
Thanks for doing this.
This definitively shows that the problem is not with Sprint and that manufacturers seem to have decided that there is no benefit to them whatsoever to supporting existing customers. Google is also failing to get the situation under control.
"Want the latest version of Android? Pay up."
That's what this chart says to me, loud and clear.
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I agree upgrade to the latest EVO 4G anyone
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I agree that people should stop whining about 2.1, it's more annoying than the 2.1 posts.
I guess my personal aggravation is the fact that it seems if you don't have the latest and greatest phone through your carrier's catalog you seem to just be cast in the corner. Was it not just 5 months ago the Hero was the savior and pride and joy of sprint's network and now with the evo on its way it's as if were the red headed child sitting in the corner. I agree that when it comes it comes but I just don't like the feel a company gives when they do something like that. Yes market and pay attention to your new toy but don't forget your loyal followers and their needs when we're locked in to at least 12 months with a phone you just called the greatest thing since the last big hit.
Its always been the same with every OS and every carrier. I remember being wint Windows same thing, these company make the money in the hardware not software therefore it's no business sense to give a great deal of support for older hardware. The truth of the matter is that for companies like HTC, people will continue to purchase the latest, even after all the waiting on the Hero most people will still go out and get the Evo. The only company making great support is Apple.
DR.mobbfigga said:
I Gotta say that no one should be PO'D at Sprint,HTC or any other company for that matter, Sprint is the Best carrier I've been. Quit whining 2.1 will arrive before you all know it. Shut up root your hero while you still can flash a custom 2.1 rom and be happy. i Know im not gonna to upgrade to the official release. Ill wait to one my fav dev's puts out a 2.1 rom based off the otw upgrade with all fat trimmed off so it runs the way it should. So everybody behave your selves the upgrade from sprint will come no doubt, then you can go back to whining about how laggy and buggy your 2.1 hero is.
As for me Im gonna flash toast's new one fresh-toast 1.1, oh maybe something from damageless, oh hey darchstar's got a new one wow decision, decisions, lol
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X2 This is what I think too.
ziggy682 said:
Alright, like everyone else, I have grown tired of all the complaining about the 2.1 update. Yes, I would love to get my hands on the official update as I feel our 2.1 leak was pretty buggy. The devs have done great with what they have to work with, and I love running 2.1 even with some of the quirks that are inherent to a hacked ROM.
What I don't get is how everyone can be so upset with Sprint. Personally, I am on Sprint because they are cheap, and offer good cell phone service where I live. That's it. If you are upset with your carrier (as I was with my extremely high bills on Verizon) then buy out your contract and go to another carrier. However, don't expect that you will get your magical 2.1 upgrade any sooner with any other carrier.
Do most people realize that there is not a single Android phone for sale in America that has ever been upgraded to 2.1 from 1.5 or 1.6? In fact, there are only three phones that have ever even received an Android OS upgrade at all. The T-Mobile G1 (1.0-1.6), the T-Mobile myTouch 3G (1.5-1.6), and the Motorola Droid (2.0-2.1). That's it people.
For all the people blaming Sprint, HTC, or even Sense for how long it's taking them, look around. The T-Mobile G1 and myTouch3G both came out before the Hero, both run vanilla Andoid, and neither of them have been upgraded to 2.1. Just look at all the phones that are still running 1.5 and 1.6.
Personally, I think it will be hilarious if Sprint is the first carrier in America to upgrade a phone from 1.5 to 2.1. If this upgrade happens soon, this will certainly be the case. I just don't get how people can be so upset that we don't have the official 2.1 yet when there are only three phones that have it (two of which launched with it, and one of which launched with 2.0).
I apologize for making a new thread, but I wanted the chart below to have it's own space, and I didn't want it to get buried in one of the many other 2.1 threads. I believe this chart contains every Android phone available on one of the 4 major carriers in America. I compiled this list using wikipedia, so I didn't verify that it is 100% valid. I listed only phones available in America, and cleaned up the formatting to make it useful. Enjoy.
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sprint still sucks Di** in my opinion, 2.1 or not
I will tell you why I am upset with sprint over this. It's because sprint in conjunction with HTC and Samsung decided back late last year that instead of doing maintenance updates to fix the known issues with both phones they would upgrade the phones to 2.1 and include the fixes then. This certainly implied some urgency on their part. But apparently none of the companies involved put enough resources into the upgrade. Also this fantasy of doing both phones at the same time tells me they are not interested in getting the updates out as soon as they are available because someone might be upset if one gets done before the other.
I rooted back in Jan and my phone works great. But I also expect when I buy a premium phone that it is supported properly by Sprint and the phone manufactures. If they can't do that then they have failed. I don't care if no other phone has been upgraded to 2.1. Every other carrier in the US has a phone that runs 2.1 yet sprint can't even give us a date to have that option. They have really screwed this up.
Crash83 said:
I guess my personal aggravation is the fact that it seems if you don't have the latest and greatest phone through your carrier's catalog you seem to just be cast in the corner. Was it not just 5 months ago the Hero was the savior and pride and joy of sprint's network and now with the evo on its way it's as if were the red headed child sitting in the corner. I agree that when it comes it comes but I just don't like the feel a company gives when they do something like that. Yes market and pay attention to your new toy but don't forget your loyal followers and their needs when we're locked in to at least 12 months with a phone you just called the greatest thing since the last big hit.
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Always seems like putting money in a salespersons hand causes them amnesia....
Just think of SPRINT as a REALLY BIG salesperson
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Always seems like putting money in a salespersons hand causes them amnesia....
Just think of SPRINT as a REALLY BIG salesperson
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Well since I don't go to salespersons who don't in some way look after my interests that would mean that I wouldn't go back to Sprint. I have no intention of doing that. Sprint provides a quality service at an affordable price. They just can't afford to continue to make mistakes like this or they will continue their decline until they are out of business and I don't want to see that happen.
it's the old "fire and forget" routine.
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"Want the latest version of Android? Pay up."
That's what this chart says to me, loud and clear.
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How?????
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I updated the chart with the type of custom user interfaces run on the various phones in case it has any effect on rolling out OS upgrades.
Ziggy,
Excellent points, thanks for the perspective
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Ziggy,
Excellent points, thanks for the perspective
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Thanks for that.
Completely off topic, but has anyone ever actually had to say "TouchWiz" out loud to someone?
Talk about the worst product name ever. I don't think I could buy a phone with that UI on it, simply because I would be too embarrassed to actually tell anyone that I was playing with my "TouchWiz".
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I will tell you why I am upset with sprint over this. It's because sprint in conjunction with HTC and Samsung decided back late last year that instead of doing maintenance updates to fix the known issues with both phones they would upgrade the phones to 2.1 and include the fixes then. This certainly implied some urgency on their part. But apparently none of the companies involved put enough resources into the upgrade. Also this fantasy of doing both phones at the same time tells me they are not interested in getting the updates out as soon as they are available because someone might be upset if one gets done before the other.
I rooted back in Jan and my phone works great. But I also expect when I buy a premium phone that it is supported properly by Sprint and the phone manufactures. If they can't do that then they have failed. I don't care if no other phone has been upgraded to 2.1. Every other carrier in the US has a phone that runs 2.1 yet sprint can't even give us a date to have that option. They have really screwed this up.
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What the hell? AT&Fee doesn't have a 2.1 device and neither does T-Mobile really. They have the Nexus One, but it is not sold in stores and with all the hardware and software issues, it's not worth mentioning. The only carrier with any 2.1 devices is Verizon and that is just as of now. The MT3G, EVO, and other devices are well on the way.
think of it this way... you're gonna want to run Froyo when it comes out anyway & NO WAY is Sprint or HTC gonna bother with an official upgrade for that. They'll be pushing the EVO/Next Big Thing. Thank goodness for the great developers working on stuff here.
I guess following thread is a very good example of how civilized people deal with issues. Samsung is in question.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883820
May be we need to start campaign about Froyo/Gingerbread using same tactics?
That was promised and a lot of hardware were bought because of this. Time to hold promises!
It's a little bit to late (because some variants are already got/getting Froyo), but there is a chance consolidate across all variants.
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May be we need to start campaign about Froyo/Gingerbread using same tactics?
That was promised and a lot of hardware were bought because of this. Time to hold promises!
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That thread is because of real failures on the device, rendering them unusable. Sorry, but you're a fool if you purchased a device because it might get an update, it's not Samsung's fault.
I'm getting a bit frustrated waiting for this update because there are things popping up that require Froyo, but some of these comments/threads on a number of forums are just silly.
By all means, make yourself heard, but the lack of Froyo doesn't render the device unusable.
Verizon will give it to us when they are satisfied with the build. A 1960's hippie movement will not get it here any faster.
I am fine with 2.1 myself.
good day.
J Shed said:
That thread is because of real failures on the device, rendering them unusable. Sorry, but you're a fool if you purchased a device because it might get an update, it's not Samsung's fault.
I'm getting a bit frustrated waiting for this update because there are things popping up that require Froyo, but some of these comments/threads on a number of forums are just silly.
By all means, make yourself heard, but the lack of Froyo doesn't render the device unusable.
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My phone USB failed few days ago. I have thread here, trying to get additional information if others have similar problems. That said VZ already send another one for free. I do not know yet if it is new or refarb.
What I think is that, promise is what it is. I didn't pushed them to promise anything. But, getting normal support for device is something I've assumed at the time of purchase phone + dock + other crap. Would I know that everything is so slow, I might got another phone. I think I'm not alone here.
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My phone USB failed few days ago. I have thread here, trying to get additional information if others have similar problems. That said VZ already send another one for free. I do not know yet if it is new or refarb.
What I think is that, promise is what it is. I didn't pushed them to promise anything. But, getting normal support for device is something I've assumed at the time of purchase phone + dock + other crap. Would I know that everything is so slow, I might got another phone. I think I'm not alone here.
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They committed to releasing the update, they gave an estimated time frame for release, they didn't PROMISE anything. Froyo is coming, but the lack of it doesn't mean your phone doesn't work. Updates aren't normal support, they're updates. 2.2 is not required for the phone to function.
The funny thing is you're absolutely not alone (pretty sure I made that clear in my OP), it's just getting ridiculous some of the things people are demanding. It's not Samsung, nor Verizon's fault you purchased a device based on what it might be. That's your fault, period. I purchased this phone for what it was the day I got it, not for some dream land a few months down the road.
I feel about this a little bit differently, looking at the back of my phone dock. It has easy readable label saying that some functionality will be available when 2.2 update released. And it was promised SHORTLY. So shortly, that people found it OK to hold over 30 days grace period.
Overall I do not think it silly to expect something. I DO EXPECT that MS will patch Windows, Live etc. I DO EXPECT that HP, Dell and others update drivers. This practice exists for years now.
I do not know why it sounds funny when I expect that Samsung or VZ will fix GPS and other issues?
It is not that I'm screaming for update right now. But some clarity about situation will be greatly appreciated. Neither VZ nor Samsung didn't stepped down from their heights to inform us, mere mortals.
chopper the dog said:
A 1960's hippie movement will not get it here any faster.
good day.
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What if you ARE a 1960's hippie though?
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CNemo7539 said:
It is not that I'm screaming for update right now. But some clarity about situation will be greatly appreciated. Neither VZ nor Samsung didn't stepped down from their heights to inform us, mere mortals.
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This is fair, but can you name companies that do this? Unfortunately it's very rare.
They can't give you a set ETA (software is such that you can't give out fixed dates until it's done), nor can they really tell you what they're working on/why it's delayed (would you really understand if they did tell you?). The best they could tell you is "we're working on it," and unless you live in a cave (or subscribe to one of the ridiculous conspiracy theories), you already know that.
And again, YOU deciding to hang onto the dock is your fault, not Samsung's. At 29 days, you could've strolled into the VZW store, and returned it. And again, they will release Froyo for the Verizon Samsung Fascinate. If they do not, they will be in real legal trouble because suddenly, you'd have a case for a class action lawsuit because of your dock.
J Shed said:
This is fair, but can you name companies that do this? Unfortunately it's very rare.
They can't give you a set ETA (software is such that you can't give out fixed dates until it's done), nor can they really tell you what they're working on/why it's delayed (would you really understand if they did tell you?). The best they could tell you is "we're working on it," and unless you live in a cave (or subscribe to one of the ridiculous conspiracy theories), you already know that.
And again, YOU deciding to hang onto the dock is your fault, not Samsung's. At 29 days, you could've strolled into the VZW store, and returned it. And again, they will release Froyo for the Verizon Samsung Fascinate. If they do not, they will be in real legal trouble because suddenly, you'd have a case for a class action lawsuit because of your dock.
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Believe it or not, I'm in IT... And I tell you - there is always deadlines and dates are set in stone. Moreover, public beta will settle all worries. It is easy way to show to average public what company does and where it stays at the moment. That is how other companies handle same problems. MS with SP betas is good sample. Even secretive Apple does it!
I guess, we have a case for class action. I just wonder for how long we should wait before initiating it? As of now, we have a pretty good reason to believe that time for Froyo is gone, because Gingerbread is out and Samsung has it. Do you see my point?
As to return... Well, it not going to happen in the future. I'm going to stay away from Samsung products. Unfortunately I cannot leave VZ.
CNemo7539 said:
Believe it or not, I'm in IT... And I tell you - there is always deadlines and dates are set in stone.
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"IT" and software development are not the same thing.
Public beta works with basic software, and even some OSes, not with phones. You release a public beta that has a bug that can brick your phone, and you're screwed. It's MUCH more difficult to fix a bricked phone than it is to fix a desktop that won't boot properly.
You don't have a case, yet. If Samsung fails to deliver 2.2, then you will, not until then.
J Shed said:
"IT" and software development are not the same thing.
Public beta works with basic software, and even some OSes, not with phones. You release a public beta that has a bug that can brick your phone, and you're screwed. It's MUCH more difficult to fix a bricked phone than it is to fix a desktop that won't boot properly.
You don't have a case, yet. If Samsung fails to deliver 2.2, then you will, not until then.
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No need to explain what exactly I do. It is development.
Go to Apple site and figure out how they deploy public betas for iOS. Nobody complains about broken phones. I never heard about this.
Hell!!! Film the video for youtube if not anything else! Show prototypes in the stores! Even this will be better then noting! Release official statement. Just do not sit like cat in the sand!
They simply are not willing to do anything, because they got their money already.
And could you please define "fails to deliver"? As far as I'm concerned they pretty much failed. Froyo was released and pulled off several times on other SGS phones. And they have Froyo on tab, which essentially same hardware. What is this?
Though I might consider it as showing progress ;-) Problem is that at such pace phone will physically pass out sooner then we get update.
Believe it or not, I am actually trying to get them into admitting that Froyo will not be released.
I got one rep who replied to say it, however, she doesn't know wtf she is talking about. Depending on their next few replies if whether I crack the email open and send it to the major blog sites.
I am trying to get someone who actually knows something to admit that 2.2 is not coming. We shall see. Past that, you are right, there is not a damn thing we can do until its determined that its NOT coming out.
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2.2 is not required for the phone to function.
It's not Samsung, nor Verizon's fault you purchased a device based on what it might be.
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Tell that to the hundreds of thousands who bought a cradle with a sticker on it saying "2.2 required for this to function".
Is that their fault they received a product which doesn't work as advertised, just to open the box up to a "gotch'ya!" sticker?
Is that somehow not Samsung nor Verizon's fault, too?
Sometimes I wonder how often people on here ever take responsibility, seeing as they are so quick to make excuses and attack those wronged. You would all do well in politics or customer service; Neither party holds anyone accountable for their false promises.
The problem is, until they admit that its not being released, they have us all on a technicality, that coming soon has no defined time frame. Leaked internal documents are likely not admissible in a lawsuit.
Its ****ty, its unethical, but it is what it is.
I am just as angry as well.
According the news, Samsung is going to introduce Galaxy S ancestor in Barcelona in February. So, I guess first Galaxy S lifespan is even shorter than I've expected. Sure, it is because was VZ was late to the game. Churning out new models at such pace doesn't leave time to support old ones.
Galaxy s is like lexus to toyota. It's just a line of phones from samsung which are high end.
Adrynalyne is right when he says that there is nothing that we can do but make them admit that nothing is coming out...
CNemo7539 said:
No need to explain what exactly I do. It is development.
Go to Apple site and figure out how they deploy public betas for iOS. Nobody complains about broken phones. I never heard about this.
Hell!!! Film the video for youtube if not anything else! Show prototypes in the stores! Even this will be better then noting! Release official statement. Just do not sit like cat in the sand!
They simply are not willing to do anything, because they got their money already.
And could you please define "fails to deliver"? As far as I'm concerned they pretty much failed. Froyo was released and pulled off several times on other SGS phones. And they have Froyo on tab, which essentially same hardware. What is this?
Though I might consider it as showing progress ;-) Problem is that at such pace phone will physically pass out sooner then we get update.
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Funny you mention apple, and then in the same breath you talk about making phones obsolete.
Apple and Samsung are apples and oranges (lol). Apple has ONE phone (3 if you want to count the og, 3g, and 3gs, but those are mostly obsolete), Samsung has at least 4 or 5 in the US alone. Each on different networks, and with differing software setups (bloatware). How again are they going to ensure they don't start ****ing **** up if they push a public beta? Trust me, I'd LOVE if they did that, but it's an unrealistic expectation.
And "fails to deliver" means it doesn't come, at all, ever, period. When they admit to freezing development and NOT releasing anything past 2.1, then everyone who purchased a dock has a case for a class action lawsuit.
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Tell that to the hundreds of thousands who bought a cradle with a sticker on it saying "2.2 required for this to function".
Is that their fault they received a product which doesn't work as advertised, just to open the box up to a "gotch'ya!" sticker?
Is that somehow not Samsung nor Verizon's fault, too?
Sometimes I wonder how often people on here ever take responsibility, seeing as they are so quick to make excuses and attack those wronged. You would all do well in politics or customer service; Neither party holds anyone accountable for their false promises.
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Don't talk to me about accountability when you are so eager to blame someone else for your failure to return a product you weren't satisfied with. It's also your fault you decided to wait it out for Froyo.
You chose to wait, that's on you. So now it's a matter of you waiting for them to release 2.2+, or them to admit they won't release it.
I'm not defending anyone, I'm just tired of the stupid crap I'm seeing from people over this update. I didn't buy that dock because I think it's a piece of crap, regardless of the fact the 3.5mm jack doesn't work (which, BTW, sounds like it's the ONLY thing not working, it charges the phone, displays the dock program).
RacerXFD said:
Galaxy s is like lexus to toyota. It's just a line of phones from samsung which are high end.
Adrynalyne is right when he says that there is nothing that we can do but make them admit that nothing is coming out...
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I guess we are getting away from the intended topic. This might be my fault, if I not expressed clearly.
If adrynalyne is talking to somebody at Samsung, would be nice if he can share that person contact. I guess idea is to have one single point of force application.
Even if that person is brainless office droid, he will have to report up at some point, if number and intensity of complaints is over some threshold.
Could we here formulate some collective message and start pushing it from different emails?
I'd just like to use the 3.5mm audio out on my dock, have map rotation gesture working in maps and get chrome to phone back; new gmail client would be a nice upgrade... Hopefully it will happen someday...
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Was just chatting with Acer Tech Support today about the upcoming android 4.0 release for the A500. I wanted to ask some questions because my step father has a Xoom and he got the update to 4.0.4 early this morning. Acer tech support gave me the link:
Acer Support - Answers, E-Mail, Chat - When will Android Operating System 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) be available for my Acer Android tablet?
After reading it i noticed that next to the A500 and A100 it says TBA in mid april. For those of you who don't know what TBA means, it means To Be Announced. This genuinely disappointed me because after months of waiting and being within the month that ACER said they were going to announce it, they still have no updated info to give. What I am understanding from my conversation with ACER is that sometime over the next few weeks, ACER will officially announce that the update is either coming or not coming and possibly a date if it is. I have to ask myself what kind of company is ACER if the best answer they are willing to give is a Non-Committal answer.
Don't get me wrong, my ONLY entent here is to express my discontent over this information. I definately feel not supported by ACER in this manner and I have just listed my A500 on craigslist. When it is gone, I am buying a Motorola Xoom.
Acer tech support/sub constractors
you do know that acer tech support is likely outsourced . SO after you talked to that person. And got a well i do not know standard answer.That person likely answered another call on a totally different device maybe even a washer or A kids toy. This is the consensus about how Acer tech support is. I really do not know if they are outsourced. But as dumb as they are its very likely..
As far as ics. it will come Acer says it should start being pushed out mid April.If you know there update sequence from past updates. that would mean May to mid may for us . If it comes out on time. READ Around about all the devices still on Honeycomb.and not sure if they are even going to get a update.
Acer is acer. and have aweful tech support in the US.But my tablet is a awesome device.Thou the support and communication issues. Yes i would buy another acer product . but i will not be jumping on the Quad care tab right now. MY Iconia will do anything i need .
please click the link i put in and the the TBA for yourself.
I got to say, so f'ing what. Do you really think ICS will be that much of an improvement over HC. There is nothing spectacular. It feels like another incremental update to me. I've been running one of the leaked versions for awhile and truthfully, there is not much of a difference. It's not like your A500 is going to magically become a new tablet. And what kind of idiot would go out and buy a xoom over the A500. Now, if you said you were going to go buy one of the new Tegra 3 tablets than you would be showing some intelligence. Just stop getting your panties in a bunch and be patient. I would rather have a stable OS than the buggy piece of **** that the xoom is probably running.
Lol sounds like someones mad
If it comes out in April then Acer is way ahead of the update game than I thought. Looking over at my nexus s and the gsm version just got ICS last weekend and Google itself has a close relationship with the device and it took them until now to get it updated
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I got to say, so f'ing what. Do you really think ICS will be that much of an improvement over HC. There is nothing spectacular. It feels like another incremental update to me. I've been running one of the leaked versions for awhile and truthfully, there is not much of a difference. It's not like your A500 is going to magically become a new tablet. And what kind of idiot would go out and buy a xoom over the A500. Now, if you said you were going to go buy one of the new Tegra 3 tablets than you would be showing some intelligence. Just stop getting your panties in a bunch and be patient. I would rather have a stable OS than the buggy piece of **** that the xoom is probably running.
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I don't think ICS will make my A500 a new tablet but it certainly has breathed new life into my Nexus S as its certainly noticeably faster on a single core processor.
I think the main point is that Acer has lagged behind all its competitors in terms of offering timely updates and as early adopters being up-to-date, even with an updated buggy rom is important.
I just don't see the lag in updates to ICS. My HTC Evo 3D isn't updated yet and isn't scheduled to late May or June. I think Acer wants to watch the leaks and see what needs improvements. The latest leak .31 seems to be leaps and bounds of the other leaks as far as stability. The touch screen issues have been worked out. I'm just saying, I'd rather wait for Acer to get all the bugs worked out first and then release it. It just amazes me how some people will start a new thread like this one. I'm giving up hope. Who the hell cares. Acer doesn't, they already have his money.
Tbh, the Flexreaper ROM available in the dev section is really good.
I do understand the wish for an official ICS-release and I do understand that not everyone wishes to use a custom ROM or get rooted, but if you don't mind rooting and installing custom ROM I would definitely suggest going for Flexreaper. So far I have not found any terrible issues with it, the only thing that keeps crapping on me is WIFI, but that is likely because of my router and not the ROM because it works just fine if I tether to my phone.
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Was just chatting with Acer Tech Support today about the upcoming android 4.0 release for the A500. I wanted to ask some questions because my step father has a Xoom and he got the update to 4.0.4 early this morning. Acer tech support gave me the link:
Acer Support - Answers, E-Mail, Chat - When will Android Operating System 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) be available for my Acer Android tablet?
After reading it i noticed that next to the A500 and A100 it says TBA in mid april. For those of you who don't know what TBA means, it means To Be Announced. This genuinely disappointed me because after months of waiting and being within the month that ACER said they were going to announce it, they still have no updated info to give. What I am understanding from my conversation with ACER is that sometime over the next few weeks, ACER will officially announce that the update is either coming or not coming and possibly a date if it is. I have to ask myself what kind of company is ACER if the best answer they are willing to give is a Non-Committal answer.
Don't get me wrong, my ONLY entent here is to express my discontent over this information. I definately feel not supported by ACER in this manner and I have just listed my A500 on craigslist. When it is gone, I am buying a Motorola Xoom.
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We have leaks so obviously they are working on it, so why would they waste resources on something if they aren't going to eventually release it?
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The way I see it ... All manufacturers (Arcer, Asus, HTC, etc) released ICS first to their flagship devices (example: HTC Senesation, Acer A200, etc.) The rest of devices that were anounced to get ICS will get it latter. For me it's a normal behaviour, you just can't push it to all devices at once, hell they even divide OTA to regions (some regions get it earlier than some other).
And... yes I like my A500.
Cheers
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Lol sounds like someones mad
If it comes out in April then Acer is way ahead of the update game than I thought. Looking over at my nexus s and the gsm version just got ICS last weekend and Google itself has a close relationship with the device and it took them until now to get it updated
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Can't you read?
As I posted yesterday and as was also posted here, the date of the release for ICS will BE ANNOUNCED mid April, not released Mid April.
We will be lucky to get it by June.
And is life that bad without ICS.
Acer could have said there would be no update for the A500.
I want it too but life will go on without it.
Patience is a virtue.
If they release it and it has bugs, people would be complaining "it was release too early."
if your content with the standard crap the manufacturer puts out , why not just buy an ipad , Android for is customization ! Try this ,go to the dev section read as much as you can ,then download a custom rom , Id suggest "Icyliscious" or "Flexreaper" two outstanding roms! run both of these leaked roms ice cream sandwich! both very stable and I gotta tell ya , way faster than HC , Flex will smoke most benchmark tests , if all you want is stock , stick with crApple products and let them decide whats good for you! This is why I dont ever leave the dev section...........
Acer does seem to be rather lacking in the support department. Yes, the USB port is great, but honestly, I don't think I'd buy another Acer. They are rather slow on the updates and fixes. But what really bothers me is the "quirks" that appear to be easily fixable, but totally ignored by acer.
Like the inability to support a bluetooth headset with a microphone (Other tablets had HSP profile out of the gate! WTF Acer!?). This wouldn't be so bad if the built-in microphone didn't sound like it had tissue paper stuffed into it.
Furthermore, the poor GPS just plain sucks. Acer's paraphrased response: "The GPS isn't meant to be used for navigation." Again, WTF Acer!?!? The custom ROM's have way better GPS support, proving that the GPS can be fixed with software. Acer just seems to refuse to do it.
The tablet is also poorly constructed. I've gone through three devices and the chassis seems to make creaking noises when squeezed in the corners. It just feels flimsy. The other android tablets I"ve used don't seem have this problem.
Don't get me wrong; All the android tablets have had thier issues, but you seem to see much better response from the other major brands in regards to addressing those issues. Acer, by comparison, tends to be rather sluggish.
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Oh well. Nothing I can do now but wait. The A500 will do me until the quad-cores come out.
frankws said:
Can't you read?
As I posted yesterday and as was also posted here, the date of the release for ICS will BE ANNOUNCED mid April, not released Mid April.
We will be lucky to get it by June.
And is life that bad without ICS.
Acer could have said there would be no update for the A500.
I want it too but life will go on without it.
Patience is a virtue.
If they release it and it has bugs, people would be complaining "it was release too early."
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That's the point, Google the Creator of android took months to update their own phone. And this guy is crying about the ics for the a500. Which we already have in the dev section, and if he is uncomfortable with doing that I must ask why does hecome here.
Oh I can read maybe you should learn comprehension I would be surprised if Acer released anything in april
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Well on Googles defense, unlike Microsoft and Apple , Google doesnt make money off of there OS , (maybe now that they own Motorola it might change) ,but since open source is hard to make money off of its unlikely releases will speed up , thankfully the dev community is strong in Android and all we need is for them to give hints and bits of code for the dev's to complete there own versions maybe not "official" or "certified" but Ill take my chances , I cant stand proprietory OS's!
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That's the point, Google the Creator of android took months to update their own phone. And this guy is crying about the ics for the a500. Which we already have in the dev section, and if he is uncomfortable with doing that I must ask why does hecome here.
Oh I can read maybe you should learn comprehension I would be surprised if Acer released anything in april
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But the fact is google already released ICS, and some other companies already released their updates. Now Acer didn't put too much effort on the sold units, is losing their users confidence. I know we should be patient, because we have nothing else that we can do. Oh, one thing, I'll never ever buy an Acer product anymore, how about that?
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But the fact is google already released ICS, and some other companies already released their updates. Now Acer didn't put too much effort on the sold units, is losing their users confidence. I know we should be patient, because we have nothing else that we can do. Oh, one thing, I'll never ever buy an Acer product anymore, how about that?
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Look at this chart. It's current.
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There's a whopping 2.9% of Android devices out there running ICS. I'd recommend to ANYONE who's this upset over Acer (and pretty much everyone else) not releasing ICS yet... to sell their devices IMMEDIATELY and buy an iPhone and iPad. They'll make you feel GOOD about waiting a couple years for an update. Plus, they'll constantly make you believe you own the best technology out there.
Until they tell you it's obsolete in June. But Hey! That's MONTHS away!
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Look at this chart. It's current.
There's a whopping 2.9% of Android devices out there running ICS. I'd recommend to ANYONE who's this upset over Acer (and pretty much everyone else) not releasing ICS yet... to sell their devices IMMEDIATELY and buy an iPhone and iPad. They'll make you feel GOOD about waiting a couple years for an update. Plus, they'll constantly make you believe you own the best technology out there.
Until they tell you it's obsolete in June. But Hey! That's MONTHS away!
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Why should I care about this chart? We are talking about the tablets, not the old obsolete phones, which were not capable to upgrade to newer system or won't have too much improvement even after upgrade. A more useful chart will be, how many tablets running on the Tegra2 chipset are at which version of Android, that'll be relevant. There're billions of PC with windows xp, windows 2000, windows 98, windows 95, or even DOS. Try put the windows 7 on those.
BTW I got an iPhone 4S, and it's good.
Speaqking from experience with Apple and considering that i once was a total convert to apple with a Mac Mini, iPod and iPhone. I got tired of being stuck with essentially how it is shipped and lack of hardware/software for Apple products. I felts like i wasn't allowed to change or customized something i spent hundreds on so I ditched apple and when back to PC and Android. People should stop comparring the two because they are not similar in anyway. The truth is that apple tends to run 3 years behind in technology and nothing they do or derive from there business model is designed to push and industry forward. There business model is designed to do only one things and that is to keep apple in business. Microsoft and google have decided the opposite and have been driving the industry forward. Microsoft and google have released numerous completely new operating systems in the last decade where as apple has only updated OS X. It is a shame that is over 12 years the best that apple could do is change OSX from 10.0 to 10.7 and give them stupid animal names to make the public think it is something new when in fact it is still OSX. Another fact is the Apple total PC sales makes up less then 2% of the total computer sales. There tablets make up less then 5% and the iphone have fallen to less than 18%.
Does anyone here watch Conan O'Brian. He was once a strong pusher of apple products but has shifted to android. I say a 2 minute commercial on TBS the other night where he was advertising his new tablet app. It was plain to see in the commercial from lots of up close shots of the app and tablet that he was holding up a shinny new samsung galaxy tab. He now showcases the galaxy tab and doesn't mention iPad's anymore.
ctiger said:
But the fact is google already released ICS, and some other companies already released their updates. Now Acer didn't put too much effort on the sold units, is losing their users confidence. I know we should be patient, because we have nothing else that we can do. Oh, one thing, I'll never ever buy an Acer product anymore, how about that?
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you cant comprehend
but the fact is google itself took over four months with vague updates of when ICS was coming to its own phone............so what tablet will you get that will get future updates when a year old...where. I bet you have alot of entitlement trophies lying around your house
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJD8pZiRIzs
another point your on xda there are leaks of ICS you can install without rooting so put down the tissues install one or go buy a new tablet that will sell next year when you don't have an update when you feel you should have one
It doesn't seem to be selling very well. Or have any ROM development (but that's a separate topic).
I mean it has some game changing features, but I don't think people really understood those unique features it offers. The Rogers employees at various stores didn't even have a clue about Touchless Controls so what selling point would they pitch to a client looking to get a new phone? It's got "less cores", "I would just go with the Galaxy S4". The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release. It's sad, really. Is that why the only two OEM's doing well (Samsung, Apple) are the ones that bombard us with advertising?
I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
I dunno it seems like the Moto X is the best phone that not many people bought. Seems like a complete marketing failure if anything.
I hope I'm wrong about this!
Discuss.
Does whether or not it sells well affect your usage of the device?
For me, it doesn't. I'm sure Google and Motorola are aware of the mountain they need to climb in order to build mindshare and attain high sales, and they probably don't expect it to happen immediately with this one device.
ultravisitor said:
Does whether or not it sells well affect your usage of the device?
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This was never implied in any way, shape or form. What is the reasoning behind this question?
It's not really about the phone at all. It's about what I suspect was a poor marketing execution for a product that could have turned a lot more heads than it has. I mean, sure I don't have statistics, but I'm posting it as an open discussion to see if other people feel this way or if I'm just crazy...
Having went to school for advertising/marketing, it genuinely bothers me when GOOD products fail to sell well because of a failed marketing campaign. It happens a lot, but with Google backing Motorola up on this one, I expected a little more as far as the marketing side goes.
They may be waiting until Motomaker comes out for all carriers to hardcore advertise, they have a few ads out already, go to YouTube and search "Lazy Phone"
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Last I heard it was a "success" in Motorola's eyes.
It might be a success in the USA, but not in Canada. There's no marketing whatsoever going on. All the nice displays & merchandising seen in the US is nowhere to be found in Canada.
I agree with the OP - When I went to buy it outright at Future Shop, they looked at me and said "Why don't you buy a Samsung or Nexus? That phone isn't up to par."
Unfortunately, Motorola Canada continues to underwhelm... Saddening, really. This phone really is the best-kept secret on the market... in Canada.
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Motorola is owned by Google, how well this excellent phone is selling is not an issue for me at all.
Now if it was an HTC phone, and a flop, I'd be worried.
As for the dev support, This is the first device I've ever owned that I didn't feel needed "fixing" with a custom ROM. We have Root, we have Xposed mods, I'm good.
The problem with today's consumers..
gunnyman said:
Motorola is owned by Google, how well this excellent phone is selling is not an issue for me at all.
Now if it was an HTC phone, and a flop, I'd be worried.
As for the dev support, This is the first device I've ever owned that I didn't feel needed "fixing" with a custom ROM. We have Root, we have Xposed mods, I'm good.
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I was honestly hoping this would be a good device to learn about developing roms on. I have a bunch of things I want to do and no one to go ask for help ;_;
That's what the nexus phones are for
scorpion667 said:
It doesn't seem to be selling very well.
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The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release.
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I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
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In the United States, it has been sold out from Verizon Wireless retail stores within a 50-mile radius of me for weeks. So I think that it is selling fairly well.
You are correct that it hasn't been marketed very well. But that all comes down to marketing spend in two areas:
1) Advertisements. Other manufacturers (Samsung, Apple) have more prominently-placed advertisements. Even Motorola and Verizon Wireless tend to promote the Droid RAZR / Ultra / Maxx phones over the Moto X.
2) In-store placement. If you go into a retail store, you'll likely find other phones right at the entrance to the store. The Moto X is usually in the back.
mrbradeli said:
I was honestly hoping this would be a good device to learn about developing roms on. I have a bunch of things I want to do and no one to go ask for help ;_;
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If you wanted to learn developing you should have gone with a more open device (Nexus 4).
Also, coming from a N4 myself, this is the first phone I don't want to root and mod. I would flash roms, kernels, and tinker with the N4 all the time. But this phone has the perfect blend of software.
The reason people normally flash roms is to get closer to AOSP, and this phone is pretty much pure android with some welcomed additions.
#TeamStockMotoX lol
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This was never implied in any way, shape or form. What is the reasoning behind this question?
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It was an honest question because some people might actually start to become unhappy with the Moto X if it doesn't sell well. I didn't know if that was the case with you or not--some might make that clear in their post, and some might not. Again, it was just a question. There really is no need to be so defensive.
KiNG OMaR said:
If you wanted to learn developing you should have gone with a more open device (Nexus 4).
Also, coming from a N4 myself, this is the first phone I don't want to root and mod. I would flash roms, kernels, and tinker with the N4 all the time. But this phone has the perfect blend of software.
The reason people normally flash roms is to get closer to AOSP, and this phone is pretty much pure android with some welcomed additions.
#TeamStockMotoX lol
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The extra storage in this phone won me over. Either way, I'm mainly interested in audio stuff. If possible I'd like to mod the phone to do something similar to Voodoo Sound's DAC direct and analog amp. Aside from that I'd like the ability to build AOSP from the source for this device, which I'm pretty sure is possible with the kernel source Motorola posted a while back.
I think advertising might be more aggressive here in the States than in Canada. The only commercials for the Moto X I've seen are the ones with TJ miller and I've only seen them online, not TV since I haven't been watching it recently.
I have seen a lot of national moto x spots during sporting events on television. especially ncaa and nfl football.
Ah okay I wasn't aware it was doing so well in the states. I guess my observation only holds true for Canada. It really is the best android phone to date IMHO. That's why I was thrown off when I saw it was getting zero recognition here in Canada lol. It's good to hear it's at least somewhat successful because they (Google and Moto) revolutionised how I interact with my phone. When major changes like Touchless Controls or Active Notifications are successful, perhaps it will inspire other manufacturers to dust off those R&D facilities and try something new once in a while.
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It was an honest question because some people might actually start to become unhappy with the Moto X if it doesn't sell well. I didn't know if that was the case with you or not--some might make that clear in their post, and some might not. Again, it was just a question. There really is no need to be so defensive.
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Ah okay I was just thrown off cause the point of me making this thread was BECAUSE I believe the Moto X is an amazing phone, why is it not getting recognized - kind of thing. Reading back, I could have worded it better to reflect that. Sorry.
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I personally love my Moto X.
It's essentially a Nexus device with a couple extra goodies for increased functionality.
Sure the camera needs a little tweaking here n' there, but it's overall a wonderful phone.
This phone came at a perfect time for me. I don't want to flash roms every other day anymore. With my new son my priorities are elsewhere now.
Doesn't matter to me if it's not selling well, just means I'll get extra wow factor when showing it off because less people know about it. As long as motorola keeps supporting it, I'm a happy camper.
I snapped this pic real quick inside At&t retail while ordering my 32gig motomaker card. They are pushing it pretty hard.
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It doesn't seem to be selling very well. Or have any ROM development (but that's a separate topic).
I mean it has some game changing features, but I don't think people really understood those unique features it offers. The Rogers employees at various stores didn't even have a clue about Touchless Controls so what selling point would they pitch to a client looking to get a new phone? It's got "less cores", "I would just go with the Galaxy S4". The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release. It's sad, really. Is that why the only two OEM's doing well (Samsung, Apple) are the ones that bombard us with advertising?
I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
I dunno it seems like the Moto X is the best phone that not many people bought. Seems like a complete marketing failure if anything.
I hope I'm wrong about this!
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What are your sources for sales? Or is this just a personal observation? Google and moto seem to be pretty happy with its sales... ya, it's no iphone or Galaxy in terms of sales, but everything here in the states have been bouncing been in stock/out of stock.
Overall, I care little about how well a device sells as long as it continues to be supported by the manufacturer. I don't think they were aiming for a big swing in market share, but rather, proving a point about how the industry has become over obsessed with specs and to bring the mobile device manufacturing process back to the states. Discounting sales, which is definitely important, I think the moto x had been a great success for what it was made to achieve... And I think it will continue to prove more successful in the coming months. Just my personal observation.
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The point is to embarrass Motorola for offering no update policy after their MWC presentation by making #MotoShame trend when they're trying get coverage for their new stuff.
Needed between now and then: People to post everywhere motorola users, in particular Moto Z users are. People to make example images or memes to post with their tweets. Maybe a good, clear infographic about what to do when would be nice if you're good at that. And really anything you think of to get more people on board.
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Would anyone be interested in a twitter campaign to embarrass Motorola for failing to have an upgrade policy for their Premiere Moto Z line? They keep doing it because we keep putting up with it. I say we embarrass them for cheaping out on us with #MotoShame.
1) We need to trend on Twitter, which means we need to coordinate a large group to post at the same time at a future date. That means we need people to go to every forum where moto z users are and inform and recruit.
2) We need to do it at an ideal moment to get their attention, preferably when they are trying to generate good press. That's when we can get the most attention and the most earned coverage from the blogosphere. Instead of their new gear trending, we make #MotoShame trend.
They are unveiling hardware at MWC on February 26. Hitting them with this will distract from their earned coverage and possibly break through their unwillingness to hear customer complaints on the matter.
3) The tweets need a visual element. Pictures get attention on Twitter. A couple of options:
a) Post pictures of our Moto Zs being sad about Motorola's absentee parenting. quick example of Marvin the Hitchhiker Android speaking for my Z Play
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b) think of those pet shaming posts people put up, except this time we memeify sad-faced motorola logos or other promotional material with a sign purportedly from Motorola confessing its bad behavior in re: updates.4) We need a clear demand. We should demand 2 years of guaranteed updates to Moto's premium line matches the cheapo Android One line guarantee. Suggested Tweet text "We made Moto Z a success, now Moto needs to match bargain Android One's 2 year OS upgrade guarantee #MotoShame" [attach image]I'm not going to press the matter if no one is interested. But I like my Z Play, and I'd like to receive a reasonable amount of support. When I complain to moto alone, they ignore me. Only hope of making a difference is if we complain together. Is anyone interested? If so, how would you contribute (memifying moto shaming logos for people to add to their tweets, posting info and reminders on other forums, tweeting on Feb 26, etc)?
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Nah, not interested.
Shaming and memes? It's my only meaning in life.
Hey, I don't really know about the update policy . But I wanted to ask one thing. Are we going to get ANDROID O? OR is nougat the last update for Moto z play? Btw , I'm interested #motoshame
Dont really care much for updates
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Hey, I don't really know about the update policy . But I wanted to ask one thing. Are we going to get ANDROID O? OR is nougat the last update for Moto z play? Btw , I'm interested #motoshame
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The whole point is that there is no update policy, ergo, we'll never know what our last upgrade will be, or when it will be. We get cut off whenever moto gets sick of us.
So does that mean Android 7 is our last update or are we going to get Android 8(O) as well!?
It means if you want an answer to that question, you're going to have to demand one... from Motorola. "No policy" means they won't answer or even decide until they feel like it. Thus: #MotoShame.
Hi my friend, as I told you in MZP Group, this thread could be a lot like spam. And here is why i think that:
1.- You can not force Lenovo (or motorola) to give you an update, because they did not signed anything, they are not forced to give you an update, they just sell you their phone.
2.- Motorola has a 2 year warranty, if you want a signed document you will better make a request in change.org or something like that, and thats why Moto Z series users we dont have to be worried about updates but if you Remember the Moto G3 will not have the nougat update, and a lot of users claimed the update if you want 2 years warranty you will better make it for all moto devices.
3.- Its a terrible idea to make noise in the MWC days, because the only thing you will achieve is to give even more fame to lenovo, a lot of politicians makes this to be even more recognized, and the only thing you will achieve is raise the lenovo's shares of stock. If you want to take some attention then make DDoS attack to their servers.
4.- I do not care about updates, in less than a year im sure that i will have unlocked my bootloader and ill be trying the amazing roms of the XDA's people, im sure that you will have Android P or even Android Q thanks To XDA.
5.- I had the Moto G 1st Gen and let me tell you that Moto did an amazing job with the updates policy, mine was in Android 4.3, later 4.4 and finally 5.0 ... and thanks to the devs Moto G 1st Gen has android 6.0, if that was with a moto g, dont mind about a Moto Z Play ...
6.- I think it is better to make a polite request to lenovo than to make a lot of noise and hitting 'em to their mark image, as we say in Mexico "en el pedir está el dar" (in the asking is the giving).
Think about it mate.
As others here have said, you're alone in this view. Many of us are thrilled that Motorola updates phones like the Z Play as quickly as they do. The Axon 7 and Honor 8 both got nougat the same week we did, and those are ZTE/Huawei's flagships. The Z Play is a budget phone (albeit a very good one), the fact that it has nougat already is impressive. They tell you which phones will be updated, give you an idea of when they think it will happen, and then actually do it. They're no OnePlus, but they've got carriers to deal with and far more SKUs. For a company that size, Motorola is one of if not the best when it comes to updates.
People have been politely requesting a clear policy for years. Motorola and others have ignored it. If users are ok with that, I'm not looking to convince them otherwise. Just offering a platform for those that want to to finally be heard from.
I asked Motorola specifically about the length of support for the Z Play (future updates, not the speed of current ones which has nothing to do with thread), they said it was unknowable. Android One support isn't unknowable, and those phones are half the price of the Z Play.
The Bankshooter said:
Hi my friend, as I told you in MZP Group, this thread could be a lot like spam. And here is why i think that:
5.- I had the Moto G 1st Gen and let me tell you that Moto did an amazing job with the updates policy, mine was in Android 4.3, later 4.4 and finally 5.0 ... and thanks to the devs Moto G 1st Gen has android 6.0, if that was with a moto g, dont mind about a Moto Z Play ...
Think about it mate.
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The G has 7.1.1
uberano26 said:
The G has 7.1.1
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No, it does not. He was talking about the first gen Moto G, which got 5.1 officially. The Moto G gen 3 got 6.0. Only the 4th gen Moto G gets Nougat.
I only count Official update from Moto.
Yeah because what a shame it would be if a device got its update not from the manufacturer but from other sources.
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Yeah because what a shame it would be if a device got its update not from the manufacturer but from other sources.
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To be fair, custom ROMs don't include features like Moto actions, active display, and touchless controls, which are all pretty useful. But if someone released a ROM with Moto features working that was relatively bug-free, who cares if it's official or not?
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To be fair, custom ROMs don't include features like Moto actions, active display, and touchless controls, which are all pretty useful. But if someone released a ROM with Moto features working that was relatively bug-free, who cares if it's official or not?
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At the same time, the people on forums like XDA are a tiny fraction of phone purchasers and know about rooting, ROM-ing, etc. Most people purchase phones without a desire to or knowledge of modding and would appreciate concrete and adhered-to policies ahead of the launch of a phone so that they know what they're getting in to.
Personally, I'd much prefer reliable info from the manufacturer and not have to root/ROM each phone that I get. I used to root before getting the MZP, but now I like the fact that I can use Android Pay again. The older I get, the more responsibilities I have, the less time I have to play around with my phones (although I personally enjoy it). I now want devices that just work and get updated in a timely, predictable manner.
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At the same time, the people on forums like XDA are a tiny fraction of phone purchasers and know about rooting, ROM-ing, etc. Most people purchase phones without a desire to or knowledge of modding and would appreciate concrete and adhered-to policies ahead of the launch of a phone so that they know what they're getting in to.
Personally, I'd much prefer reliable info from the manufacturer and not have to root/ROM each phone that I get. I used to root before getting the MZP, but now I like the fact that I can use Android Pay again. The older I get, the more responsibilities I have, the less time I have to play around with my phones (although I personally enjoy it). I now want devices that just work and get updated in a timely, predictable manner.
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To that point, most people don't know what security updates are. Most people choose not to update when they have an update. So again, kind of a moot point.
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As others here have said, you're alone in this view. Many of us are thrilled that Motorola updates phones like the Z Play as quickly as they do. The Axon 7 and Honor 8 both got nougat the same week we did, and those are ZTE/Huawei's flagships. The Z Play is a budget phone (albeit a very good one), the fact that it has nougat already is impressive. They tell you which phones will be updated, give you an idea of when they think it will happen, and then actually do it. They're no OnePlus, but they've got carriers to deal with and far more SKUs. For a company that size, Motorola is one of if not the best when it comes to updates.
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To be clear, the MZP does not have Nougat already, at least not in the US and not rolled out by Motorola.
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To that point, most people don't know what security updates are. Most people choose not to update when they have an update. So again, kind of a moot point.
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Do you have a source for that?
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To be clear, the MZP does not have Nougat already, at least not in the US and not rolled out by Motorola.
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Do you have a source for that?
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Do you have any friends? Family members? Co-workers? Anyone you can ask? I bet more people than not have no idea the software on their phone is out of date. Go talk to non-technical people, I'm always amazed when I talk to "normal people" how little they know or care about their phones.
I'm not saying your wrong that Moto should have an update policy in place because it's pretty obvious that they should. My point is that they're not alone: no other phone manufacturer except OnePlus, blackberry, and google have a solid update policy that they stand behind and deliver on regularly. And unfortunately the majority of people are fine with that. Trying to humiliate a company for following an industry standard is pretty crazy, imo. Those of us who have had lots of Motorola's over the years, have called tech support, have gotten updates, have torn our hair out trying to unlock bootloaders that we're never meant to be unlocked, we see the current Motorola working harder than it ever has before to get us quick updates. Bashing them for that just isn't right.
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Do you have any friends? Family members? Co-workers? Anyone you can ask? I bet more people than not have no idea the software on their phone is out of date. Go talk to non-technical people, I'm always amazed when I talk to "normal people" how little they know or care about their phones.
I'm not saying your wrong that Moto should have an update policy in place because it's pretty obvious that they should. My point is that they're not alone: no other phone manufacturer except OnePlus, blackberry, and google have a solid update policy that they stand behind and deliver on regularly. And unfortunately the majority of people are fine with that. Trying to humiliate a company for following an industry standard is pretty crazy, imo. Those of us who have had lots of Motorola's over the years, have called tech support, have gotten updates, have torn our hair out trying to unlock bootloaders that we're never meant to be unlocked, we see the current Motorola working harder than it ever has before to get us quick updates. Bashing them for that just isn't right.
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You misconstrued my earlier opinion as supporting the bashing. I never said that.
Asking my friends, family, and coworkers would not result in statistically significant data on whether or not the general phone user is aware of or installs updates when presented to them by their OS. In the few minutes I had, I was neither able to find data that would support nor refute your hypothesis. This is also why I did not say that I believe that most users know about or install updates, because I have no data to support that. It was simply a statement from my point of view.