When Moto X was released, there was so much emphasis on the phone being designed by Americans and made in America.
And not even a generation later, the phone is now both owned by a Chinese company and made in China.
Does American have any kind of resolve at all?
It's bothersome to Americans, as well. We'd love to see more products being produced domestically. It's just not fiscally very feasible. No amount of "resolve" can balance a bottom line that loses money.
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It's bothersome to Americans, as well. We'd love to see more products being produced domestically. It's just not fiscally very feasible. No amount of "resolve" can balance a bottom line that loses money.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXiamWdk2go
It was said that the phone made in America would cost the same if it were made in China if you count the transportation cost. Guess that must be a lie, or Lenovo prefer to give the jobs to the Chinese people.
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There's absolutely no need to change build.prop, if you have stock 4.3, you can install Xposed Installer and use GEM Xperia module with it, IT WORKS GREAT!!!
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Lol... Just lol.
Sent from my awfully named device.
Don't worry about American jobs, they'll be plenty of them when we're building the iPhone 27s for $5 an hour for the Chinese.
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Does it bother you as an Australian that all the American car companies are dumping building much of anything in your country anymore, and that most of the vehicles that once dominated your market are no longer relevant? The American company realized that they weren't as good at building/assembling technology, so they moved it to a location that specializes in that. It bothers me more that you want to be a d-bag about it when your own country is in a similar position from a manufacturing standpoint.
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Does it bother you as an Australian that all the American car companies are dumping building much of anything in your country anymore, and that most of the vehicles that once dominated your market are no longer relevant? The American company realized that they weren't as good at building/assembling technology, so they moved it to a location that specializes in that. It bothers me more that you want to be a d-bag about it when your own country is in a similar position from a manufacturing standpoint.
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I wonder why the Chinese dont stand together unite as one and become Strong Union and demand to be treated like a human being.. including a salary they deserve
I'd wager a bet that most of that was marketing. Labor rates, insurance, workplace standards, benefits and the cost of shipping in materials, among many other factors, make assembling electronics in the US a very pricey affair. Even if they were still pulling a profit on the Moto Xs on a per-piece scenario, it likely wasn't enough to be scaleable to other devices, especially considering that we don't currently have many electronics manufacturing facilities in the USA.
Also, Motorola stopped manufacturing the Moto Xs in the US prior to the sale to Lenovo. If I recall correctly, only 50k units or some such number were made at the USA facility.
The ultimate problem is that Americans want it to be built here, the people building it want to be paid well, and the end user (the consumer) wants it for a very cheap price. You can't have all three of these things at the same time.
The solution? Send the work overseas so we can satisfy what matters most, the cheap price, which drives sales and ships more units.
plus, isn't lenovo a chinese company? why would they build the phone here?
i just have to make another point/inquiry. so one of the main selling points of the moto x is the moto maker, right? aren't the moto maker factories all located in the US? i know for a fact that there is one factory in Texas that isn't closing and was to move over to make the new gen X phone when the time came.
also there is a problem in America that very few people acknowledge.......over educating............yes people are educating themselves for white collar jobs and there are no more jobs in that field and then we complain about immigrants that come in and take our service jobs............the jobs that people feel are beneath them. so it doesnt matter to me when those phones are made over seas, i just feel that they should be made in the Philippians since America has probably the best relationship with.
bottom line the phones are still designed by very intelligent people regardless of their race and are pieced together by people in third world countries or whatever China now is, according to how the designers put it together.
me myself and i said:
i just have to make another point/inquiry. so one of the main selling points of the moto x is the moto maker, right? aren't the moto maker factories all located in the US? i know for a fact that there is one factory in Texas that isn't closing and was to move over to make the new gen X phone when the time came.
also there is a problem in America that very few people acknowledge.......over educating............yes people are educating themselves for white collar jobs and there are no more jobs in that field and then we complain about immigrants that come in and take our service jobs............the jobs that people feel are beneath them. so it doesnt matter to me when those phones are made over seas, i just feel that they should be made in the Philippians since America has probably the best relationship with.
bottom line the phones are still designed by very intelligent people regardless of their race and are pieced together by people in third world countries or whatever China now is, according to how the designers put it together.
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Nice post
Let's keep this about the Moto X and not about comparing countries pros and cons.
I'm pretty sure they were just assembled in the U.S. not manufactured here, so the original point is partially invalid.
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Let's keep this about the Moto X and not about comparing countries pros and cons.
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Considering the OP was a trolling swipe at the US, i'd say we're very much on topic
Not sure if it's a proven fact but weren't the phones assembled in the US of lower build quality? So I am fine with it being made somewhere else.
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Considering the OP was a trolling swipe at the US, i'd say we're very much on topic
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This forum is about the discussion of the Moto X. There are other places to talk about this.
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This forum is about the discussion of the Moto X. There are other places to talk about this.
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perfectly appropriate discussion for this forum. Pros and Cons of Moto X being assembled/manf. in the USA is relevant both to the forum and the general subforum.
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plus, isn't lenovo a chinese company? why would they build the phone here?
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When the original Moto X launched, Motorola was still owned by Google. They then sold it to Lenovo, but I'm not even sure that was all completely finalized yet.
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perfectly appropriate discussion for this forum. Pros and Cons of Moto X being assembled/manf. in the USA is relevant both to the forum and the general subforum.
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'Does it bother you as an Australian that all the American car companies are dumping building much of anything in your country anymore, and that most of the vehicles that once dominated your market are no longer relevant? The American company realized that they weren't as good at building/assembling technology, so they moved it to a location that specializes in that. It bothers me more that you want to be a d-bag about it when your own country is in a similar position from a manufacturing standpoint.'
'also there is a problem in America that very few people acknowledge.......over educating............yes people are educating themselves for white collar jobs and there are no more jobs in that field and then we complain about immigrants that come in and take our service jobs............the jobs that people feel are beneath them. so it doesnt matter to me when those phones are made over seas, i just feel that they should be made in the Philippians since America has probably the best relationship with. '
You can defend your phone all you want, but let's keep it about the phone and how and where it's made. Not about the relationships the countries have or what else they make.
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A tiny bit of offtopic: iPhone users may be suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome"
I hope I will be forgiven for a bit of an off-topic here, but since there is much, much comparison between iPhone and Nexus, and selling models of both phones differ so much, here it is:
Analyst Says iPhone Users Experiencing Stockholm Syndrome
A bizarre report from Strand Consult, an analyst firm in Denmark, has likened the relationship iPhone users have with their iPhone to Stockholm Syndrome:
When we examine the iPhone users’ arguments defending the iPhone, it reminds us of the famous Stockholm Syndrome – a term that was invented by psychologists after a hostage drama in Stockholm. Here hostages reacted to the psychological pressure they were experiencing, by defending the people that had held them hostage for 6 days.
….Below is a selection of some of the arguments that various hard-core iPhone fanatics have been using since the iPhone initially launched:
1. The first iPhone was not a 3G phone: What do you need 3G for? You can easily use the iPhone without using a 3G network and anyway, 3G is not particularly widespread, so this is not a problem.
2. The phone cannot send MMS: There is no need to send MMSs, hardly anybody sends MMSs.
3. You cannot forward a SMS: This is a function that hardly anybody uses and was therefore not included in the first iPhones.
4. The phone has a poor camera: The built-in camera is perfectly adequate and the iPhone takes fantastic photos with its camera.
The report lists 20 iPhone flaws and purported defenses by iPhone owners and comes to the conclusion that the real reason for the popularity of the iPhone is because the people that bought one will go to great lengths to justify their purchase, even lying to others:
In reality the iPhone is surrounded by a multitude of people, media and companies that are happy to bend the truth to defend the product they have purchased from Apple.
Personally, I find the whole idea that that the iPhone is holding me against my will preposterous. I mean, sure, I signed a two-year contract that I really didn’t want, but it’s not like I’m stuck in some kind of walled garden or anything. In a real hostage situation, the hostage taker would control what you see and hear, and it’s not like that with Apple, right? And there’s no one demanding money, like, say $175, to free me from the iPhone or the two-year contract. Nope, I love my captor, I mean, my iPhone.
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DISCLAIMER: This is for laughs and giggles only, by reading this you agree that you are not an apple fanboy and will take this article not as means to defend The Sacred Apple, but as a funny anecdote. Chronic flamers need not bother.
This is actually pretty funny. The only outdated part is the one about the 2-year contract (I think they sell them off-contract now?).
I like to think that Steve Jobs was a shepherd in a past life.
lol, Good one...like the disclaimer
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lol, Good one...like the disclaimer
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Yup, anyone not following it will be BANNED!
spidermonkeyrob said:
I like to think that Steve Jobs was a shepherd in a past life.
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Lol good one there
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Yup, anyone not following it will be BANNED!
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Jose, glad 2 C U visiting the N1 gang where the action is
I just got done reading the article from the link. This reminds me of this arguement I had with an iphone user on youtube. I was explaining how the N1 was a better phone overall to him and this was one of his responses to one of my comments. I remember it like it was yesterday. The guy was an asshole too.
"Why would I need a voice-to-text feature when I can type XXX words every minute???"
*sarcasm* I would love to see this guy work his fingers that fast as his car is driving off a cliff. Dont text and drive kids.
i've seen HTC/Android/WM users that are no better.
whenever someone is willing to shun a device just because it runs XXX OS or is built by XXX company without giving it a fair try needs to pull their head out of the sand.
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The only outdated part is the one about the 2-year contract (I think they sell them off-contract now?).
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Yeah, locked for $700.
This article touched on SO many good points about how Apple has changed their tune on tons of different features. My favorites include...
-MMS, not needed because you can use email (but the email client will resize your images to VGA/MMS quality anyway, fixed in 4.0).
-Apps/App Store, web apps are the future!
-Multitasking, unnecessary and excluded to improve stability, then push notifications were satisfactory, now multitasking is being added in 4.0.
-3G, drains way too much battery life so it's not needed...until we release another phone to sell you next year.
But my favorite of them all? PRICE. The original 8gb, EDGE-only iPhone sold for $599 on a two-year contract.
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i've seen HTC/Android/WM users that are no better.
whenever someone is willing to shun a device just because it runs XXX OS or is built by XXX company without giving it a fair try needs to pull their head out of the sand.
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...unless they're talking about Windows Mobile. Really, I don't care what your background is. 6.5 and below is absolute garbage, lest HTC and everyone else wouldn't be trying to cover it with different UI layers, nor Microsoft ditching the framework altogether for Windows Phone 7.
We are all fan boys to a certain extent. I'm sure many of you (including me) will defend the nexus against some other device. We might have different limits, but the behavior is the same in every one of us.
Lets be realistic, we love our devices no matter what choice we made.
The rest its just pure exaggeration and if you start believing in psychologists your life is going down the hill.
Yeah, I do the same with my Nexus One :
For some reason I can't send MMS, but hey, who needs MMS anyway ?
Games definitely sucks compared to what you have on an iPhone... but you don't buy a phone to play games, do you ?
Sound quality sucks... but I have a DAP so i don't listen to music on my Nexus One.
The screen is almost unusable in direct sunlight... but I almost always use it indoors.
The truth is, once you bought an expensive device, either you don't like it and you return it, or you like it enough to keep it and you start convincing yourself that it doesn't have any flaws, or that its flaws are not really important.
And I do like my N1 more than enough to forget its flaws =)
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The rest its just pure exaggeration and if you start believing in psychologists your life is going down the hill.
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You'd better believe the psychologists, at least some of them might know your nature more than you know yourself. Here is one that explains this point, for example:
http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy.html
So the point is that we should have less choice so we can be happy with the only thing we have? "Yeah, right!"
This doesn't make any sense to me. While he might be right, i do believe in being able to choose.
Come on guys, we all know Apple rules. Just check out this latest article from Gizmodo (lol):
http://gizmodo.com/5545711/dear-steve-has-google-leapfrogged-apple
Dear Steve, Has Google Leapfrogged Apple?
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Here's what Steve Jobs thinks of our thoughts of Google leapfrogging Apple:
Dear Steve,
Have you read this Gizmodo article? What are your thoughts on it? Do you believe Google is surpassing you guys or do you believe something different? What do you plan on doing if Google is surpassing Apple?
Any thoughts?
Sincerely,
Brian
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Steve Jobs wrote:
Not a chance.
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The "leapfrogged Apple" article is actually pretty good; check it out here:
http://gizmodo.com/5543794/google-is-leapfrogging-apple
The only thing worse than the supposed Apply fanbois (which to be honest I don't really notice) are the Apple hatebois. I really don't understand what all the hate towards the iPhone (and now iPad) is about. I think it's a pretty good product, personally.
I'd much rather see people with iPhones than BlackBerry's. Nothing annoys me more than being "out of the loop" because everyone I know uses BBM almost exclusively for communications. If RIM made phones that I actually wanted to use it wouldn't be such a problem, but as it stands they lock everyone in with services like that and then produce lackluster consumer products. Rumor has it that iPhone OS 4 will have iChat functionality built in, which likely means native Google Talk support!
Google Talk good, BBM bad.
Re: A tiny bit of offtopic: iPhone users may be suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome"
Omg, the wars to defend the Sacred Apple have started =)
It's just a funny article. You don't see nexus fans flame over Onion News' video of "google whispering ads to your ear". If you can't take the sarcasm, maybe there is a reason why you're so defensive =)
The wars to defend the Sacred Apple have started? Someone says they think a product is decent and to you its a declaration of war? I think that's the problem. There seems to be no middle ground any more. You either have to agree to hate Apple, or risk being branded a mindless drone caught in Steve Jobs' reality distortion field.
Anyway, I realize the blog post has a joking tone. I was just pointing out that I think iPhones are nice. Not awesome like a Nexus One, but still nice.
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Anyway, I realize the blog post has a joking tone. I was just pointing out that I think iPhones are nice. Not awesome like a Nexus One, but still nice.
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Yeah, I agree =) I guess that puts me in the middle ground.
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Jose, glad 2 C U visiting the N1 gang where the action is
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Nice to see you too! I m getting a Desire in the end of the month but my love for windows mobile will never end.
to everyone else;
I like the I-phone very much,but hate when a company wants to tell me what is best for me or what i can or cannot do.In short i hate arrogant people.
Also,it really tick me of whend people that have an iphone as their first touch device BELIVE that only the I-Phone has such technology or was the first to have it!
anyway,
peace and love guys.
faria said:
Also,it really tick me of whend people that have an iphone as their first touch device BELIVE that only the I-Phone has such technology or was the first to have it!
anyway,
peace and love guys.
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Yeah, I think you hit the spot there. It may actually have nothing to do with the device itself, it's the attitude and the ignorance. You'd think that spending $500+ for a phone, people would research and educate themselves a bit about the alternatives, pros and cons.. yet iphone users (I'm sorry, it's true) very often do not. The reasons for that are a separate topic. Mostly, the salesguy at AT&T (or coworker/friend/media) just told them it's the best, so it must be the best.
It'd be hard to find nexus one user who didn't make any research before buying it. Maybe that's why they didn't sell as many . I betcha vast majority of nexus users know all about Nexus' pros and cons.
Imo, that is the main reason for all this fighting. iPhone itself just got caught in the middle.
I apologize for making another "I'm mad at Samsung for..." thread, but after trying for the past hours to get the JI5 update and failing, I'm a bit angrier than I usually am and want to hurt Samsung somewhere where they will feel it while not going to extremes like trying to organize a class action suit.
Ever since the Galaxy S line came out they really haven't done much to support it except release 3 buggy updates for three of the phones and completely ignore the one that's been out in the States for the longest (until the "made you look" event of today), yet they're so eager to show off that Galaxy Tab that they want everyone to be interested in and buy next month. I suggest simply spreading the word to everyone that no one should but that thing until they at least get their house in order and get the Galaxy S line up to the basic functionality they should have had out of the box. Spread the word that they apparently can't support the products they release and that nobody should touch those things until they can prove they are going to stand behind the products they want us to spend our hard earned money on.
Before some of you start flaming me, I do very well know this is a forum for people who mod their phones and have no intention of staying stock. I mod my phones too. Even with the fixes I've flashed I still have issues with GPS and the phone resetting. I appreciate everything the community has done to help make these phones better and I whole heartedly thank them for doing so, but at the same time there's a whole company with a division of people getting paid to do this that hasn't been able to supply us with one good fix after nearly 3 months time. It's time we should make every potential customer aware of that.
I'm boycotting the U.S. release of the Galaxy Tab, but only because I find the fact that all 4 U.S. carriers disabling the phone functions of the thing (the international version won't have this limitation) as a hugely retarded move.
I'm not interested in carrying around 2 huge slabs-o-touchscreen all the darn time. If I were I'd be an iDiot and worship Steve Jobs.
That's understandable, personally I could care less about being able to make calls on tablet. It's not like you would be able to take calls on both your cell phone and the tablet. And I sure wouldn't care for having another phone number.
I love my iPad btw!
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I'm boycotting the U.S. release of the Galaxy Tab, but only because I find the fact that all 4 U.S. carriers disabling the phone functions of the thing (the international version won't have this limitation) as a hugely retarded move.
I'm not interested in carrying around 2 huge slabs-o-touchscreen all the darn time. If I were I'd be an iDiot and worship Steve Jobs.
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Why would you carry it around if you can't use it as a phone?
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To be honest I am not surprised they are disabling the calling feature. In fact I would be surprised if they didn't.
I mean I for one wouldn't want to stop using my vibrant to use that giant tablet.
Also no matter what it will have wifi so it can be more like a laptop on the go and playing games on it will be awesome from the looks of it.
Well if they are just disabling the feature then that means the hardware to make calls is still built in so someone could root it and make calls anyway. But I'm still not getting one cause it'll be just like my phone. Tablets are a median of a phone and a notebook but nowadays the Ipad is the best out.
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Can't say I'm feeling pouty and petulant about Samsung in general, but I crossed four Tabs off my Xmas list when they announced the phone functionality was disabled.
As for the frequent comments about the Tab being too large to use as a phone, I use my phone as a speakerphone most of the time, and Bluetooth headsets put the final nail in the coffin for that argument.
I really doubt the S Tab will sell much anyway.
Smaller screen than the iPad, lower resolution, considerably worse battery life, for almost the same price....
Plus, given our experience with Samsung, it will probably not be upgraded to Gingerbread, which according to Google is the first version of Android actually meant for tablets.
Who in their right mind will buy the Tab?
What made me mad is they have more accessories slated for that thing than the very phones they already have out.
Docks, keyboards and all kinds of goodies. Oh yeah they all plug into the bottom of the Tab not the top like our retarded phones.
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Why would you carry it around if you can't use it as a phone?
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Exactly!
Since it's functionally crippled compared to it's European counterpart I don't plan on carrying one around.
It's an interesting device, and will probably have a modicum of success, but the deliberate lockdown of an existing feature is one that makes me uninterested in it.
Given that it's carrier unsubsidized pricing internationally is likely going to make it more expensive than the iPad, if I were to develop an interest in an Android tablet/mid that didn't support phone functions, I'd just SPEND LESS MONEY on a comparable 7" tablet that doesn't have phone functions. There are several...
Huge flaw with Samsung tablet, not sure if mentioned
At the moment pretty much every App available doesn't even support the tablets 1024x600 resolution so they will be to small for the screen or will stretch and look like crap.
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Huge flaw with Samsung tablet, not sure if mentioned
At the moment pretty much every App available doesn't even support the tablets 1024x600 resolution so they will be to small for the screen or will stretch and look like crap.
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I can make everything in an app support that higher res, and I font even consider myself a dev... More of a file mover.. But there are tutorials and some apps are already compatible...
Remember when donut and froyo came out not all apps were compatible.. Some apps dont work on donut now...
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WTF does this have to do with the Vibrant? Oh, can all of you stop blaming everything on Samsung? It seems like only half the people on this forum has sense and understands that T-Mobile makes the final call on updates.
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WTF does this have to do with the Vibrant? Oh, can all of you stop blaming everything on Samsung? It seems like only half the people on this forum has sense and understands that T-Mobile makes the final call on updates.
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Dude, you are drawn to these threads like a fly is to sh!t!
T-Mobile has its problems, but what about the rest of the companies carrying the Galaxy S? Have any released Froyo, or successful compass fixes?
No? Must be a worldwide carrier conspiracy to make Samsung look bad, by delaying fixes and OS upgrades.....
No, Samsung's track records with product support just sucks. That's why some are pissed.
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Wait a second, let me get this straight. You are upset because an unofficial, probably beta quality firmware wasn't available properly through a piece of software that hasn't been released to the US market yet?
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Wait a second, let me get this straight. You are upset because an unofficial, probably beta quality firmware wasn't available properly through a piece of software that hasn't been released to the US market yet?
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Nice troll, since I don't believe you are actually as stupid as you're trying to get us to believe.
No, we're all pissed off about Samsung's crappy support. I bought a phone with a GPS built in. I can't use my GPS because it doesn't work.
A little fact which has been repeatedly explained to you. So either you choose to ignore it so you can troll more, or you have major issues with reading comprehension, take your pick.
And, as I said elsewhere, no one forced you to bring your fanboi self into this thread.
I'll hold out for MOTO or HTC
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That's great, let's organize a boycott of something that 99.9% of people have no plan to purchase in the first place. In other words, we're going to have to seek out people who want to buy the Tab and then dissuade them. Personally, I think I won't.
psshh, who is gonna buy that over sized phone anyway, too big for been a phone, too small for been a tablet
The Lenovo U1, the only other hybrid on the market just got FCC approval. Now the tablet part has gone up for pre-order on several site. Quite a big deal due to the dock running windows!here
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This was the tablet I was looking at before I found the Asus (which is cheaper, and more the size I wanted anyway.. but Lenovo!!!).
Storage: 32GB
Memory:1GB
Camera:2.0MP Front, 5.0MP rear
Communications:802.11 b/g/n, Bluetooth 2.1
Sound: 2 Speakers, .5 Watts
Ports:Micro SD card reader, Micro HDMI out, SIM card port, and a Multi-function connector
Tablet Weight: 1.65 lbs.
Pretty neat. The keyboard is a screen-less netbook running Windows... while the top is a Android tablet.
They both are kinda separate products that are just dockable together. I'm sure the IT world would love the keyboard as standalone for data racks and such.
It's an interesting concept, but it seems like the tablet basically only acts as a screen for the netbook, with separating processors and operating systems in tablet and netbooks modes.
That, for me, kills it. It negates the main advantage of having a shared device, which is that you have consistency of UI and software between both modes, and the battery life advantages of Android even when in netbook mode. This device will likely have typical Windows-based netbook battery life, which come nowhere close to challenging the Transformer, and you presumably won't be able to access your data from the tablet when you're in netbook mode except as a mounted device, or vice versa. (ie. you can't run the same programs in both modes.)
The only real advantage I can see is a slight reduction in weight and size over carrying a separate netbook and tablet, but with the added disadvantage that if the tablet fails, you lose the ability to use the netbook.
Now, if it could dual-boot Android or Windows when in netbook mode, or better still hot-swap between the two operating systems, well that'd be truly awesome.
Lenovo, as Chinese as they are, make some great, reliable laptops. I hope the U1 does well.
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Lenovo, as Chinese as they are, make some great, reliable laptops. I hope the U1 does well.
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Probably stolen technology.
Stolen from Always Innovating, but improved. You say it like stealing designs is a bad things, or an uncommon thing. Thank goodness for steals.
I agree with knoxploration, just sounds like a bad idea overall and will likely be expensive.
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It's an interesting concept, but it seems like the tablet basically only acts as a screen for the netbook, with separating processors and operating systems in tablet and netbooks modes.
That, for me, kills it. It negates the main advantage of having a shared device, which is that you have consistency of UI and software between both modes, and the battery life advantages of Android even when in netbook mode. This device will likely have typical Windows-based netbook battery life, which come nowhere close to challenging the Transformer, and you presumably won't be able to access your data from the tablet when you're in netbook mode except as a mounted device, or vice versa. (ie. you can't run the same programs in both modes.)
The only real advantage I can see is a slight reduction in weight and size over carrying a separate netbook and tablet, but with the added disadvantage that if the tablet fails, you lose the ability to use the netbook.
Now, if it could dual-boot Android or Windows when in netbook mode, or better still hot-swap between the two operating systems, well that'd be truly awesome.
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Full of assumptions, most not true, not well researched.
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Stolen from Always Innovating, but improved. You say it like stealing designs is a bad things, or an uncommon thing. Thank goodness for steals.
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There are varying levels of "stealing" technology just like there are varying levels of violating the law.
Would you say that murdering someone is the same level of law violation as speeding 10 mph over the speed limit? Of course not. Any dumbhead would know the difference.
Companies "steal" technology from each other all the time. I fully recognize this. But most US companies most of the time don't go as far as hacking into someone else's server to outright steal a design and then sell it as their own. What's more, they are not government sponsored stealing.
Chinese companies, however, regularly hack into American companies' systems to steal design. And please, don't tell me they're not Chinese government sponsored.
US companies actually pour money into research and development. I happen to be a researcher. Wow, you mean to say we actually research, develop, and test our own stuff instead of stealing from other people?
What's worse, the Chinese government along with other Asian communist governments never cooperate with internet crime law enforcement. That son of a ***** Vietnamese who hacked into Apple itune last July 4 is living comfortably with the millions he stole. We know who he is. We know his name, address, etc. But there's not a damn thing we can do about it because the Vietnamese government simply won't cooperate.
Again, there are varying levels of "stealing" technology just like there are varying levels of law violation. The Chinese companies have obviously crossed the line many times.
As far as I know, greed is a concept embraced by all types of humans. If it can be done, I'd say that American companies do hack and steal designs.
I don't know how prevalent this is in China, but I'd say they wouldn't be any more or less greedy than their counterparts in other nations.
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There are varying levels of "stealing" technology just like there are varying levels of violating the law.
Would you say that murdering someone is the same level of law violation as speeding 10 mph over the speed limit? Of course not. Any dumbhead would know the difference.
Companies "steal" technology from each other all the time. I fully recognize this. But most US companies most of the time don't go as far as hacking into someone else's server to outright steal a design and then sell it as their own. What's more, they are not government sponsored stealing.
Chinese companies, however, regularly hack into American companies' systems to steal design. And please, don't tell me they're not Chinese government sponsored.
US companies actually pour money into research and development. I happen to be a researcher. Wow, you mean to say we actually research, develop, and test our own stuff instead of stealing from other people?
What's worse, the Chinese government along with other Asian communist governments never cooperate with internet crime law enforcement. That son of a ***** Vietnamese who hacked into Apple itune last July 4 is living comfortably with the millions he stole. We know who he is. We know his name, address, etc. But there's not a damn thing we can do about it because the Vietnamese government simply won't cooperate.
Again, there are varying levels of "stealing" technology just like there are varying levels of law violation. The Chinese companies have obviously crossed the line many times.
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Sigh @ your arrogant americans...you need to start realizing the Great United States of America is not the only country in this world....
Lenovo has always been a respectable brand, one of the best in this industry..
Next time before you criticise another person/country/government's wrongdoings, please look at yourself first.
Hey, I'm American, but I recognize that Lenovo is a respectable brand. Look, you might be a researcher, or you might not (this is the internet, after all..), but what you need to realize is that it's not usually the researchers (the real researchers who WANT to research and not make money; NOT a bash on you, just clarifying) who would steal designs. It's the moneymakers, the businessmen, the ones looking for some extra dough to cushion their arses.
By the way, I intern in a research lab so I know our government pours money in research. But I also happen to know that other nations do so as well, and probably put a lot more % of their funds into useful research.
Anyway, sorry to OP for hijacking his thread. Wouldn't it be awesome if Asus copied Lenovo here a little, maybe made the keyboard be its own individual computer as well? Probably would cost a lot more though.
Do your research. Lenovo is one of the best laptop makers inthe industry. Their designs are great... they better be... they bought them from IBM. As far as strength of design and hardware, i'll take a Thinkpad over anything else all other things being equal.
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There are varying levels of "stealing" technology just like there are varying levels of violating the law.
Would you say that murdering someone is the same level of law violation as speeding 10 mph over the speed limit? Of course not. Any dumbhead would know the difference.
Companies "steal" technology from each other all the time. I fully recognize this. But most US companies most of the time don't go as far as hacking into someone else's server to outright steal a design and then sell it as their own. What's more, they are not government sponsored stealing.
Chinese companies, however, regularly hack into American companies' systems to steal design. And please, don't tell me they're not Chinese government sponsored.
US companies actually pour money into research and development. I happen to be a researcher. Wow, you mean to say we actually research, develop, and test our own stuff instead of stealing from other people?
What's worse, the Chinese government along with other Asian communist governments never cooperate with internet crime law enforcement. That son of a ***** Vietnamese who hacked into Apple itune last July 4 is living comfortably with the millions he stole. We know who he is. We know his name, address, etc. But there's not a damn thing we can do about it because the Vietnamese government simply won't cooperate.
Again, there are varying levels of "stealing" technology just like there are varying levels of law violation. The Chinese companies have obviously crossed the line many times.
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Innovative.
magicpork said:
Sigh @ your arrogant americans...you need to start realizing the Great United States of America is not the only country in this world....
Lenovo has always been a respectable brand, one of the best in this industry..
Next time before you criticise another person/country/government's wrongdoings, please look at yourself first.
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I never said the US is the only country that does innovate. At the same time, we don't come out with the iped devices either. Chinese companies are notorious for mimicking and shamelessly produce fake crap. And since their government aren't willing to do anything about it, boycott is the only thing we can do.
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Hey, I'm American, but I recognize that Lenovo is a respectable brand. Look, you might be a researcher, or you might not...
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ok, then think of me as someone who works at mcdonalds. Doesn't matter. My criticism of chinese companies still stands on their own. My mistake for mentioning what I do.
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I never said the US is the only country that does innovate. At the same time, we don't come out with the iped devices either. Chinese companies are notorious for mimicking and shamelessly produce fake crap. And since their government aren't willing to do anything about it, boycott is the only thing we can do.
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You may argue all you want, but everything you wear, use in your everyday life or see around is very likely produced in China or somewhere nearby (Taiwan, Hong Kong - if we still consider it being not China, Malaysia, Philippines, Cambodia, Lao, Thailand, Indonesia).
Get to live with it, it's an obvious thing to happen in a world where in some parts of it people work for $10 a month and consider themselves happy.
Anyways, from Eastern European point of view, Lenovo is a respectable brand which has been successful with quite some products on the market. From what I could see, their support/service is also pretty decent.
That being said, I don't plan on exchanging my TF for this Lenovo (or for any other model) for quite a while.
I expect we'll see some arguments about non-US countries not protecting workers and stuff.
(Of course, the problem is that the government keeps protecting its own industries, and the industries get babied and don't feel the need to improve.)
No more ASUS for me
Never posted before, but what a silly post. Perhaps Microsoft should not develop any further versions of windows as it will 'harm' their past users? Perhaps no-one should develop any new technology as some will be left behind, perhaps we should have stuck to bows and arrows? It is well known that Android is a more fragmented eco system than Apple. Perhaps you should have thought about this more and researched your purchase a little better. You sound more suited to Apple quite honestly, fanboy in the making.
Meh. Whatever. Have fun with Apple. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.
It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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Yes, i opened the thread believing it contained something positive regarding Asus and Google. Instead i was rewarded with petty drivel.
If you're looking for somebody to talk you out of it (which you must be, you wouldn't have made a post otherwise), don't bother looking. We don't need you to stay. Go ahead and jump.
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just lou said:
It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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Lol...funny i was thinking something similar. Funny thread.
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to me the TF was a "good buy"
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to me the TF was a "good buy"
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had to thank that 1 lol
i love my TF ICS or not
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
I find it funny about his complaints of Asus/Android. It's not a flaw of Android by any means.
Should Android stop releasing operating systems? No! They have nothing to do with hardware. Their goal is to develop competent software with reasonable releases, and they do that.
This intermediate time of merging the software onto the hardware? Yes, it is annoying, but it's expected. Android releases their software at the same time to EVERYONE. It takes time to develop the OS for a product. This time exists in Apple products as well most likely, but Apple has the fortunate benefit of not releasing the software until AFTER it has been fitted for the limited number of devices they control, because they are both a hardware AND software company.
Give it time. ICS will be here eventually. I'm patient. In the meantime, I will keep running paulbrennan's build and enjoy what we already have.
2011CorvetteZR1 said:
I, for one, have had enough with Android and Google. Android/Google are forever building new versions of code that manufacturing companies can not keep up with.
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And what do you think, other developers do what? Apple does the same (no wonder the old iPhones aren't supported by iOS4 and 5), just like Microsoft, Samsung, Nokia, etcetera.
New codebase is the key to the future - with new functions built in, it can be a more widespread generic base, where manufacturers have less to modify to make their own taste. And manufacturers aren't able to keep up? Seriously, if they only made a device tree, and sent it to Cyanogen Team with a few test devices, they'd have more profit than ever. They could keep up, and they are not willing to do so because then the newer devices wouldn't sell. Just like Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, etc.
Manufacturer's are not going to spend profits on older products, they already got your money! Why is Google forever coming up with new versions? Android is in developement and always trying to be like Apple. I am an android developer and thought I would be happy with developing for 50% of the market users. 50% of the market users but in the corporate world the ratio is much different.
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The Android Market has millions of devices connected (I recall someone saying over 300million). So to target only the 50%, you'd have to make an application what is useful for almost everyone. Then count with the other devs who thought about the same, and you'll drop below 20% in the most optimistic case. You can never reach 50% if you're not a name already (like EA Games, Gameloft, and other huge companies). Or if you can't afford heavy marketing, adverts, etc.
Companies that provide employees with phones and tablets is where Apple rules. Why is that? Apple products are just better. They are not cheap plastic, creaky things where every one if different and not hardly one is on the same version. I do not have an iPhone because I refuse to pay carrier's pricing but all I want from a phone is phone calls, gps, access to emails, and some web browsing.
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WRONG. Companies buy iPhones for their employees because they have contracts with a given carrier. They get them in huge numbers for cheap, because Apple is pushing them (the carriers). They get huge bonuses just because that, not to talk about a lot bigger user base.
Apple things don't rule. They are made of the same plastic, metal, and other parts (ICs, SoCs, etc), as 99% of these are manufactured in China, even assembled in China! There was a picture, where it showed that the same factory was producing iPhones on a line, and next to it were cheap tablets and phones and mp4 players, and they were using the same material, electronics, etc.
At Apple, Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, and so on, you're paying for the brand - actually, some of the Chinese stuff can be better for half the price. Justsayin'
Phones are not game systems or video players - I am not going to watch a full length movie on a 4" screen.
Tablets on the other hand might be video players and I might play a game and I certainly will surf the web and read emails.
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Phones aren't, you're right, but when you're on the bus for 30mins, sitting in a line for the dentist, and so on, you can't have your xbox, ps3, wii with you. But you have your phone. So it's a fine time to watch a short movie (an episode of some series, etc), or play something funny (Angry Birds for an example).
Tablets are the same, except bigger, and you can use them as a smaller form PC or laptop.
I do not have an iPAD because I thought android was better. It is not and is always trying to one up Apple but Google can not even catch up to Apple nevermind get ahead of them.
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Then you think wrong. Both sides have their own pros and cons, but Google is definitely ruling Apple with Android, for the first time. There were more Android phone activations just during the holidays, than iPhone sales during a YEAR.
I had high hopes for ICS but doubt it will ever come on h/w that I already own - thanks ASUS, but I understand. Why no ICS yet? Because ASUS is working on their next device as they try to make a better product than Apple.
Interesting, first you say Google shouldn't make updates, now you cry for not getting one?
If ASUS cant take google code and get it ported into a device and not have problems then why are they selling the product. The prime GPS stinks but they continue to sell them, ASUS fixed the problem by repacking the PRIME but not retrofitting the nonworking Primes. We pay for their development, they are not looking back - profits comes from new sales.
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Asus won't release ICS until they get enough sales of the Prime first. You DID NOT pay for their development, there was no word about providing further updates in the future (there was a part, where it said, that Asus MAY send updates) for sure in the contract, you simply purchased the device, with the actual software on it. About Prime problems, yes, it's a concern they won't retrofit the problematic ones, but I'm sure they will come around that sooner or later.
I am saving for an iPAD and will keep the Android toys around for the kids. ASUS finally made me see the light.
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Okay then Apple boy. All of your sentences were just words from someone's mouth who bought an Asus Transformer expecting iPad features. I can tell you for sure: YOU WON'T GET THEM. This is not frikken Apple, this is ANDROID. Learn the difference between an open source, community driven operation system, and a closed source licensed and overpriced product.
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It's obvious that Android wasn't made for you. You people have to understand just some people think they like something but really don't. Try out apple, see how restricting they are. Maybe you will see their "light"
just to say.........if Apple was the bomb then why do people feel the need to jailbreak.........i think the term says it all. Freedom over the system to change what they want to try make it better ( sounds familiar ).......and get free **** of course (coughfilesharecough get it right up you )
just outta curiosity.........whys the logo got a mouldy half eaten granny smith on it anyway rather than a fully glorious golden delicious?
hmmm
Go for Apple, sell your transformer and give it a shot.
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I'll take that tablet off Ur hands since u don't want it..........
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I was about to post that. It might be nvflashable, which is more than you can say about mine
His ratio of posts is like 20-1 whining about ICS not being here to actual non-ICS posts..lol
I guess he bought the TF101 expecting it to be ICS any day, if you purchase an item with above reasonable expectations, when you get disappointed it is your own fault.
Lesson? Study the device you purchase better before you purchase next time.
LOL and after getting reamed for such a thoughtless post he edited it to remove all the thoughtlessness haha
Probably all talk. He will keep the tablet I'm sure.
2011CorvetteZR1 said:
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I remember reading your post saying you own that car. You don't need the money.
So is your tf nvflash capable and how high does it clock ?
Mine has bad light bleed etc and well a swap or upgrade would be nice
Then you can sell and buy a nice shiny new ipad 2s
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It doesn't seem to be selling very well. Or have any ROM development (but that's a separate topic).
I mean it has some game changing features, but I don't think people really understood those unique features it offers. The Rogers employees at various stores didn't even have a clue about Touchless Controls so what selling point would they pitch to a client looking to get a new phone? It's got "less cores", "I would just go with the Galaxy S4". The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release. It's sad, really. Is that why the only two OEM's doing well (Samsung, Apple) are the ones that bombard us with advertising?
I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
I dunno it seems like the Moto X is the best phone that not many people bought. Seems like a complete marketing failure if anything.
I hope I'm wrong about this!
Discuss.
Does whether or not it sells well affect your usage of the device?
For me, it doesn't. I'm sure Google and Motorola are aware of the mountain they need to climb in order to build mindshare and attain high sales, and they probably don't expect it to happen immediately with this one device.
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Does whether or not it sells well affect your usage of the device?
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This was never implied in any way, shape or form. What is the reasoning behind this question?
It's not really about the phone at all. It's about what I suspect was a poor marketing execution for a product that could have turned a lot more heads than it has. I mean, sure I don't have statistics, but I'm posting it as an open discussion to see if other people feel this way or if I'm just crazy...
Having went to school for advertising/marketing, it genuinely bothers me when GOOD products fail to sell well because of a failed marketing campaign. It happens a lot, but with Google backing Motorola up on this one, I expected a little more as far as the marketing side goes.
They may be waiting until Motomaker comes out for all carriers to hardcore advertise, they have a few ads out already, go to YouTube and search "Lazy Phone"
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Last I heard it was a "success" in Motorola's eyes.
It might be a success in the USA, but not in Canada. There's no marketing whatsoever going on. All the nice displays & merchandising seen in the US is nowhere to be found in Canada.
I agree with the OP - When I went to buy it outright at Future Shop, they looked at me and said "Why don't you buy a Samsung or Nexus? That phone isn't up to par."
Unfortunately, Motorola Canada continues to underwhelm... Saddening, really. This phone really is the best-kept secret on the market... in Canada.
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Motorola is owned by Google, how well this excellent phone is selling is not an issue for me at all.
Now if it was an HTC phone, and a flop, I'd be worried.
As for the dev support, This is the first device I've ever owned that I didn't feel needed "fixing" with a custom ROM. We have Root, we have Xposed mods, I'm good.
The problem with today's consumers..
gunnyman said:
Motorola is owned by Google, how well this excellent phone is selling is not an issue for me at all.
Now if it was an HTC phone, and a flop, I'd be worried.
As for the dev support, This is the first device I've ever owned that I didn't feel needed "fixing" with a custom ROM. We have Root, we have Xposed mods, I'm good.
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I was honestly hoping this would be a good device to learn about developing roms on. I have a bunch of things I want to do and no one to go ask for help ;_;
That's what the nexus phones are for
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It doesn't seem to be selling very well.
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The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release.
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I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
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In the United States, it has been sold out from Verizon Wireless retail stores within a 50-mile radius of me for weeks. So I think that it is selling fairly well.
You are correct that it hasn't been marketed very well. But that all comes down to marketing spend in two areas:
1) Advertisements. Other manufacturers (Samsung, Apple) have more prominently-placed advertisements. Even Motorola and Verizon Wireless tend to promote the Droid RAZR / Ultra / Maxx phones over the Moto X.
2) In-store placement. If you go into a retail store, you'll likely find other phones right at the entrance to the store. The Moto X is usually in the back.
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I was honestly hoping this would be a good device to learn about developing roms on. I have a bunch of things I want to do and no one to go ask for help ;_;
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If you wanted to learn developing you should have gone with a more open device (Nexus 4).
Also, coming from a N4 myself, this is the first phone I don't want to root and mod. I would flash roms, kernels, and tinker with the N4 all the time. But this phone has the perfect blend of software.
The reason people normally flash roms is to get closer to AOSP, and this phone is pretty much pure android with some welcomed additions.
#TeamStockMotoX lol
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This was never implied in any way, shape or form. What is the reasoning behind this question?
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It was an honest question because some people might actually start to become unhappy with the Moto X if it doesn't sell well. I didn't know if that was the case with you or not--some might make that clear in their post, and some might not. Again, it was just a question. There really is no need to be so defensive.
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If you wanted to learn developing you should have gone with a more open device (Nexus 4).
Also, coming from a N4 myself, this is the first phone I don't want to root and mod. I would flash roms, kernels, and tinker with the N4 all the time. But this phone has the perfect blend of software.
The reason people normally flash roms is to get closer to AOSP, and this phone is pretty much pure android with some welcomed additions.
#TeamStockMotoX lol
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The extra storage in this phone won me over. Either way, I'm mainly interested in audio stuff. If possible I'd like to mod the phone to do something similar to Voodoo Sound's DAC direct and analog amp. Aside from that I'd like the ability to build AOSP from the source for this device, which I'm pretty sure is possible with the kernel source Motorola posted a while back.
I think advertising might be more aggressive here in the States than in Canada. The only commercials for the Moto X I've seen are the ones with TJ miller and I've only seen them online, not TV since I haven't been watching it recently.
I have seen a lot of national moto x spots during sporting events on television. especially ncaa and nfl football.
Ah okay I wasn't aware it was doing so well in the states. I guess my observation only holds true for Canada. It really is the best android phone to date IMHO. That's why I was thrown off when I saw it was getting zero recognition here in Canada lol. It's good to hear it's at least somewhat successful because they (Google and Moto) revolutionised how I interact with my phone. When major changes like Touchless Controls or Active Notifications are successful, perhaps it will inspire other manufacturers to dust off those R&D facilities and try something new once in a while.
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It was an honest question because some people might actually start to become unhappy with the Moto X if it doesn't sell well. I didn't know if that was the case with you or not--some might make that clear in their post, and some might not. Again, it was just a question. There really is no need to be so defensive.
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Ah okay I was just thrown off cause the point of me making this thread was BECAUSE I believe the Moto X is an amazing phone, why is it not getting recognized - kind of thing. Reading back, I could have worded it better to reflect that. Sorry.
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I personally love my Moto X.
It's essentially a Nexus device with a couple extra goodies for increased functionality.
Sure the camera needs a little tweaking here n' there, but it's overall a wonderful phone.
This phone came at a perfect time for me. I don't want to flash roms every other day anymore. With my new son my priorities are elsewhere now.
Doesn't matter to me if it's not selling well, just means I'll get extra wow factor when showing it off because less people know about it. As long as motorola keeps supporting it, I'm a happy camper.
I snapped this pic real quick inside At&t retail while ordering my 32gig motomaker card. They are pushing it pretty hard.
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It doesn't seem to be selling very well. Or have any ROM development (but that's a separate topic).
I mean it has some game changing features, but I don't think people really understood those unique features it offers. The Rogers employees at various stores didn't even have a clue about Touchless Controls so what selling point would they pitch to a client looking to get a new phone? It's got "less cores", "I would just go with the Galaxy S4". The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release. It's sad, really. Is that why the only two OEM's doing well (Samsung, Apple) are the ones that bombard us with advertising?
I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
I dunno it seems like the Moto X is the best phone that not many people bought. Seems like a complete marketing failure if anything.
I hope I'm wrong about this!
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What are your sources for sales? Or is this just a personal observation? Google and moto seem to be pretty happy with its sales... ya, it's no iphone or Galaxy in terms of sales, but everything here in the states have been bouncing been in stock/out of stock.
Overall, I care little about how well a device sells as long as it continues to be supported by the manufacturer. I don't think they were aiming for a big swing in market share, but rather, proving a point about how the industry has become over obsessed with specs and to bring the mobile device manufacturing process back to the states. Discounting sales, which is definitely important, I think the moto x had been a great success for what it was made to achieve... And I think it will continue to prove more successful in the coming months. Just my personal observation.
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