The Lenovo U1, the only other hybrid on the market just got FCC approval. Now the tablet part has gone up for pre-order on several site. Quite a big deal due to the dock running windows!here
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This was the tablet I was looking at before I found the Asus (which is cheaper, and more the size I wanted anyway.. but Lenovo!!!).
Storage: 32GB
Memory:1GB
Camera:2.0MP Front, 5.0MP rear
Communications:802.11 b/g/n, Bluetooth 2.1
Sound: 2 Speakers, .5 Watts
Ports:Micro SD card reader, Micro HDMI out, SIM card port, and a Multi-function connector
Tablet Weight: 1.65 lbs.
Pretty neat. The keyboard is a screen-less netbook running Windows... while the top is a Android tablet.
They both are kinda separate products that are just dockable together. I'm sure the IT world would love the keyboard as standalone for data racks and such.
It's an interesting concept, but it seems like the tablet basically only acts as a screen for the netbook, with separating processors and operating systems in tablet and netbooks modes.
That, for me, kills it. It negates the main advantage of having a shared device, which is that you have consistency of UI and software between both modes, and the battery life advantages of Android even when in netbook mode. This device will likely have typical Windows-based netbook battery life, which come nowhere close to challenging the Transformer, and you presumably won't be able to access your data from the tablet when you're in netbook mode except as a mounted device, or vice versa. (ie. you can't run the same programs in both modes.)
The only real advantage I can see is a slight reduction in weight and size over carrying a separate netbook and tablet, but with the added disadvantage that if the tablet fails, you lose the ability to use the netbook.
Now, if it could dual-boot Android or Windows when in netbook mode, or better still hot-swap between the two operating systems, well that'd be truly awesome.
Lenovo, as Chinese as they are, make some great, reliable laptops. I hope the U1 does well.
lude219 said:
Lenovo, as Chinese as they are, make some great, reliable laptops. I hope the U1 does well.
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Probably stolen technology.
Stolen from Always Innovating, but improved. You say it like stealing designs is a bad things, or an uncommon thing. Thank goodness for steals.
I agree with knoxploration, just sounds like a bad idea overall and will likely be expensive.
knoxploration said:
It's an interesting concept, but it seems like the tablet basically only acts as a screen for the netbook, with separating processors and operating systems in tablet and netbooks modes.
That, for me, kills it. It negates the main advantage of having a shared device, which is that you have consistency of UI and software between both modes, and the battery life advantages of Android even when in netbook mode. This device will likely have typical Windows-based netbook battery life, which come nowhere close to challenging the Transformer, and you presumably won't be able to access your data from the tablet when you're in netbook mode except as a mounted device, or vice versa. (ie. you can't run the same programs in both modes.)
The only real advantage I can see is a slight reduction in weight and size over carrying a separate netbook and tablet, but with the added disadvantage that if the tablet fails, you lose the ability to use the netbook.
Now, if it could dual-boot Android or Windows when in netbook mode, or better still hot-swap between the two operating systems, well that'd be truly awesome.
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Full of assumptions, most not true, not well researched.
asdfuogh said:
Stolen from Always Innovating, but improved. You say it like stealing designs is a bad things, or an uncommon thing. Thank goodness for steals.
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There are varying levels of "stealing" technology just like there are varying levels of violating the law.
Would you say that murdering someone is the same level of law violation as speeding 10 mph over the speed limit? Of course not. Any dumbhead would know the difference.
Companies "steal" technology from each other all the time. I fully recognize this. But most US companies most of the time don't go as far as hacking into someone else's server to outright steal a design and then sell it as their own. What's more, they are not government sponsored stealing.
Chinese companies, however, regularly hack into American companies' systems to steal design. And please, don't tell me they're not Chinese government sponsored.
US companies actually pour money into research and development. I happen to be a researcher. Wow, you mean to say we actually research, develop, and test our own stuff instead of stealing from other people?
What's worse, the Chinese government along with other Asian communist governments never cooperate with internet crime law enforcement. That son of a ***** Vietnamese who hacked into Apple itune last July 4 is living comfortably with the millions he stole. We know who he is. We know his name, address, etc. But there's not a damn thing we can do about it because the Vietnamese government simply won't cooperate.
Again, there are varying levels of "stealing" technology just like there are varying levels of law violation. The Chinese companies have obviously crossed the line many times.
As far as I know, greed is a concept embraced by all types of humans. If it can be done, I'd say that American companies do hack and steal designs.
I don't know how prevalent this is in China, but I'd say they wouldn't be any more or less greedy than their counterparts in other nations.
goodintentions said:
There are varying levels of "stealing" technology just like there are varying levels of violating the law.
Would you say that murdering someone is the same level of law violation as speeding 10 mph over the speed limit? Of course not. Any dumbhead would know the difference.
Companies "steal" technology from each other all the time. I fully recognize this. But most US companies most of the time don't go as far as hacking into someone else's server to outright steal a design and then sell it as their own. What's more, they are not government sponsored stealing.
Chinese companies, however, regularly hack into American companies' systems to steal design. And please, don't tell me they're not Chinese government sponsored.
US companies actually pour money into research and development. I happen to be a researcher. Wow, you mean to say we actually research, develop, and test our own stuff instead of stealing from other people?
What's worse, the Chinese government along with other Asian communist governments never cooperate with internet crime law enforcement. That son of a ***** Vietnamese who hacked into Apple itune last July 4 is living comfortably with the millions he stole. We know who he is. We know his name, address, etc. But there's not a damn thing we can do about it because the Vietnamese government simply won't cooperate.
Again, there are varying levels of "stealing" technology just like there are varying levels of law violation. The Chinese companies have obviously crossed the line many times.
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Sigh @ your arrogant americans...you need to start realizing the Great United States of America is not the only country in this world....
Lenovo has always been a respectable brand, one of the best in this industry..
Next time before you criticise another person/country/government's wrongdoings, please look at yourself first.
Hey, I'm American, but I recognize that Lenovo is a respectable brand. Look, you might be a researcher, or you might not (this is the internet, after all..), but what you need to realize is that it's not usually the researchers (the real researchers who WANT to research and not make money; NOT a bash on you, just clarifying) who would steal designs. It's the moneymakers, the businessmen, the ones looking for some extra dough to cushion their arses.
By the way, I intern in a research lab so I know our government pours money in research. But I also happen to know that other nations do so as well, and probably put a lot more % of their funds into useful research.
Anyway, sorry to OP for hijacking his thread. Wouldn't it be awesome if Asus copied Lenovo here a little, maybe made the keyboard be its own individual computer as well? Probably would cost a lot more though.
Do your research. Lenovo is one of the best laptop makers inthe industry. Their designs are great... they better be... they bought them from IBM. As far as strength of design and hardware, i'll take a Thinkpad over anything else all other things being equal.
goodintentions said:
There are varying levels of "stealing" technology just like there are varying levels of violating the law.
Would you say that murdering someone is the same level of law violation as speeding 10 mph over the speed limit? Of course not. Any dumbhead would know the difference.
Companies "steal" technology from each other all the time. I fully recognize this. But most US companies most of the time don't go as far as hacking into someone else's server to outright steal a design and then sell it as their own. What's more, they are not government sponsored stealing.
Chinese companies, however, regularly hack into American companies' systems to steal design. And please, don't tell me they're not Chinese government sponsored.
US companies actually pour money into research and development. I happen to be a researcher. Wow, you mean to say we actually research, develop, and test our own stuff instead of stealing from other people?
What's worse, the Chinese government along with other Asian communist governments never cooperate with internet crime law enforcement. That son of a ***** Vietnamese who hacked into Apple itune last July 4 is living comfortably with the millions he stole. We know who he is. We know his name, address, etc. But there's not a damn thing we can do about it because the Vietnamese government simply won't cooperate.
Again, there are varying levels of "stealing" technology just like there are varying levels of law violation. The Chinese companies have obviously crossed the line many times.
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Innovative.
magicpork said:
Sigh @ your arrogant americans...you need to start realizing the Great United States of America is not the only country in this world....
Lenovo has always been a respectable brand, one of the best in this industry..
Next time before you criticise another person/country/government's wrongdoings, please look at yourself first.
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I never said the US is the only country that does innovate. At the same time, we don't come out with the iped devices either. Chinese companies are notorious for mimicking and shamelessly produce fake crap. And since their government aren't willing to do anything about it, boycott is the only thing we can do.
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Hey, I'm American, but I recognize that Lenovo is a respectable brand. Look, you might be a researcher, or you might not...
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ok, then think of me as someone who works at mcdonalds. Doesn't matter. My criticism of chinese companies still stands on their own. My mistake for mentioning what I do.
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I never said the US is the only country that does innovate. At the same time, we don't come out with the iped devices either. Chinese companies are notorious for mimicking and shamelessly produce fake crap. And since their government aren't willing to do anything about it, boycott is the only thing we can do.
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You may argue all you want, but everything you wear, use in your everyday life or see around is very likely produced in China or somewhere nearby (Taiwan, Hong Kong - if we still consider it being not China, Malaysia, Philippines, Cambodia, Lao, Thailand, Indonesia).
Get to live with it, it's an obvious thing to happen in a world where in some parts of it people work for $10 a month and consider themselves happy.
Anyways, from Eastern European point of view, Lenovo is a respectable brand which has been successful with quite some products on the market. From what I could see, their support/service is also pretty decent.
That being said, I don't plan on exchanging my TF for this Lenovo (or for any other model) for quite a while.
I expect we'll see some arguments about non-US countries not protecting workers and stuff.
(Of course, the problem is that the government keeps protecting its own industries, and the industries get babied and don't feel the need to improve.)
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Engadget: Google's Andy Rubin talks Android and Apple, promises Flash support in Froyo
By Donald Melanson
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/27/...lks-android-and-apple-promises-flash-support/
Gather 'round, Android fans, because Google's Android boss Andy Rubin has done a wide-ranging interview with The New York Times, and we're guessing you're going to want to hear what he has to say.
The biggest news to come out of it is word that Android 2.2, a.k.a. Froyo, will come complete with full support for Flash, which is far and away the most official confirmation we've had to date, and slightly contradicts earlier talk that Flash support wouldn't necessarily be built into the OS. Why the change? Rubin says that sometimes being open "means not being militant about the things consumers are actually enjoying." On a similar note, Rubin also said that while he doesn't know when the number of Android phones sold would exceed the number of iPhones and BlackBerrys sold, he's "confident it will happen," adding that "open usually wins."
And the hits just keep on coming from there, with Rubin not so subtly working in a mention of North Korea after a discussion about Apple and closed computing platforms, before closing things out with the line: "with openness comes less secrets."
Hit up the source link below for the complete interview, in which Rubin also address the issue of Android fragmentation, and reveals that he does indeed own an iPad, but naturally has a few things to say about it.
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NY Times: Google’s Andy Rubin on Everything Android
By BRAD STONE
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/googles-andy-rubin-on-everything-android/
Andy Rubin, a vice president for engineering at Google, leads one of the search giant’s most important efforts—the development of Android, Google’s open source platform for smartphones and other mobile devices.
Android, of course, is Google’s primary weapon in its escalating battle with Apple over the smartphone market. Android currently runs on 9 percent of smartphones in the United States, according to Comscore.
It is also likely to be the company’s software choice for the emerging worlds of tablet computers and set-top boxes.
In a wide-ranging conversation on Google’s campus last week, Mr. Rubin talked about openness, support for Adobe Flash, Chrome, the upcoming Froyo release, and seemed to compare Apple to North Korea.
He predictably said that the Android platform was taking off because it was open to many manufacturers running many different architectures.
“It’s a numbers game. When you have multiple O.E.M.’s building multiple products in multiple product categories, it’s just a matter of time” before sales of Android phones exceed the sales of proprietary systems like Apple’s and R.I.M.’s, he said.
As to when the number of Android phones sold would exceed the number of BlackBerrys and iPhones sold, Mr. Rubin said, “I don’t know when its might be, but I’m confident it will happen. Open usually wins.”
I also asked him about the Apple chief executive Steve Jobs’s recent comment that “folks who want porn can buy an Android phone.”
“I don’t really have a rationale for that,” he said. “It’s a different style of interacting with the public and the media.”
Mr. Rubin also addressed many other topics — like whether consumers actually care if their mobile phone software is “open” or not. He insisted that they would, comparing closed computing platforms to totalitarian governments that deprived their citizens of choice. “When they can’t have something, people do care. Look at the way politics work. I just don’t want to live in North Korea,” he said.
When asked whether Android apps from Google might have an advantage over other companies’ apps in the Android Market, the discussion again seemed to implicitly veer toward Brand X.
“We use the same tools we expect our third-party developers to,” Mr. Rubin said. “We have an SDK we give to developers. and when we write our Gmail app, we use the same SDK. A lot of guys have private APIs. We don’t. That’s on policy and on technology. If there’s a secret API to hook into billing system we open up that billing system to third parties. If there’s a secret API to allow application multitasking, we open it up. There are no secret APIs. That is important to highlight for Android sake. Open is open and we live by our own implementations.”
He also promised that full support for Adobe’s Flash standard was coming in the next version of Android, code-named Froyo, for frozen yogurt (previous Android releases were called Cupcake, Donut and Eclair, and are represented outside Building 44 on the Google campus with giant sculptures of the desserts). Sometimes being open “means not being militant about the things consumer are actually enjoying,” he said.
Of the fear that Android could “fork” into various different versions, making it difficult for application developers to create one program for all Android devices, Mr. Rubin compared the platform with every other PC operating system.
These systems naturally evolve, causing newer applications to not be compatible with older devices. “But compatibility for us means more than it does for other people,” Mr. Rubin said. “We have to run on a screen the size of a phone and a 42-inch plasma display — and still be compatible. I think we have the world’s first moment where an app written for phone can run on TV.”
I also asked about how Google was viewing its Android and Chrome operating systems – and which was the company’s preferred software for devices like tablet computers. He said the two platforms represented two different ambitions at Google – improving access to information on mobile phones, in the case of Android, and pushing forward the open Web in the case of the Chrome operating system.
The efforts are not necessarily mutually exclusive, Mr. Rubin said. “I don’t know if there will be Chrome and Android tablets, but if a consumer walks into store and two of those tablets are my company’s choices, I’m all good.”
Mr. Rubin said he owned an iPad; he purchased one for his wife. He said that such tablets should have traction among “a certain demographic that consumes more than produces,” but that they will likely eat into laptop sales, instead of creating an additional market. “I don’t think people want to charge another device,” he said.
At the end of the hourlong chat, I joked with Mr. Rubin that his press relations colleague, who was in the room, wanted to confess that he had left a prototype Android phone at a local bar.
“I’d be happy if that happened and someone wrote about it,” Mr. Rubin said. “With openness comes less secrets.”
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Exciting times for Android!!!
Always with the good info Paul =]
Cannot wait for Froyo to come. Hopefully it helps the developers having an equal playing field for everyone so they can focus on 2.2 across the board...
Flash is just a wonderful bonus!
"Android currently runs on 9 percent of smartphones in the United States, according to Comscore."
That seems kinda low but with all of these beautiful android phones currently on the market, its about to greatly go up.
yum frozen yogurt.. =)
The biggest news to come out of it is word that Android 2.2, a.k.a. Froyo, will come complete with full support for Flash, which is far and away the most official confirmation we've had to date, and slightly contradicts earlier talk that Flash support wouldn't necessarily be built into the OS.
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My question is, how will the licencing of Flash work? Will all the custom ROM builders be forbidden from distributing it? It'll be interesting to see if EVERY android device will get it or only licensed devices do, like Exchange support.
I like being able to use Flash, but I don't like the proprietary nature of it and I really don't like Adobe.
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My question is, how will the licencing of Flash work? Will all the custom ROM builders be forbidden from distributing it? It'll be interesting to see if EVERY android device will get it or only licensed devices do, like Exchange support.
I like being able to use Flash, but I don't like the proprietary nature of it and I really don't like Adobe.
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I thought Adobe makes their flash players 100% free? Not just free to use, but free of any restrictions on how you apply them to your devices, etc.
Also, as for the 9% comment, that is because there are many years of other devices still floating around and in use, so while they might be kicking butt in terms of sales, they have a long ways to catch up, which will come in time.
I'm giddy. Frozen yogurt sounds delicious.
I saw this hours ago paul but I figured I better let you do it or I would face certain chastisment over the lack of amenities like highlighted text lol
krabman said:
I saw this hours ago paul but I figured I better let you do it or I would face certain chastisment over the lack of amenities like highlighted text lol
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LoL love the previous thread where Paul was giving you hell about not posting a link/highlighting text and you just replied "well I knew you were just going to come after and do a better job anyways"
krabman said:
I saw this hours ago paul but I figured I better let you do it or I would face certain chastisment over the lack of amenities like highlighted text lol
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good stuff.
ChillRays said:
"Android currently runs on 9 percent of smartphones in the United States, according to Comscore."
That seems kinda low but with all of these beautiful android phones currently on the market, its about to greatly go up.
yum frozen yogurt.. =)
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Although Android the Apple are the hottest things in the mobile world right now it will still take many years for a market turnover, it's not going to happen over night. Remember, despite sucking it up for the last few years, Nokia still has about 47% of the global smartphone market share.
krabman said:
I saw this hours ago paul but I figured I better let you do it or I would face certain chastisment over the lack of amenities like highlighted text lol
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LOL!!! Yeah, pet peeve of mine, when people post quotes but no link, so then it sounds like BS haha
pjcforpres said:
I thought Adobe makes their flash players 100% free? Not just free to use, but free of any restrictions on how you apply them to your devices, etc.
Also, as for the 9% comment, that is because there are many years of other devices still floating around and in use, so while they might be kicking butt in terms of sales, they have a long ways to catch up, which will come in time.
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I'm sure Flash will be "open" in some respect of the term, or there's no way Google would be considering it.
Either way, the first person to ever get the Flash apk will post it and it'll spread like wildfire anyhow
jasrups said:
Although Android the Apple are the hottest things in the mobile world right now it will still take many years for a market turnover, it's not going to happen over night. Remember, despite sucking it up for the last few years, Nokia still has about 47% of the global smartphone market share.
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Even today Nokia will sell more phones in a day, than Apple will sell in a month.
(previous Android releases were called Cupcake, Donut and Eclair, and are represented outside Building 44 on the Google campus with giant sculptures of the desserts)
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Hahaha! Awesome! MAN I wish I worked there!
At the end of the hourlong chat, I joked with Mr. Rubin that his press relations colleague, who was in the room, wanted to confess that he had left a prototype Android phone at a local bar.
“I’d be happy if that happened and someone wrote about it,” Mr. Rubin said. “With openness comes less secrets.”
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And that, my friends, is it. Beats apple's policy of intentionally "giving" a device to an editor and then filing a criminal suit against him, having him arrested. Freaking morons.
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And that, my friends, is it. Beats apple's policy of intentionally "giving" a device to an editor and then filing a criminal suit against him, having him arrested. Freaking morons.
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Events like Apple's reaction to the Gizmodo make me real happy I decided to switch from a 3gs to a Nexus One. What an evil Nazi company...
Steve Jobs actions give organ donation a bad name
^^ You two do realize that Apple might not have anything to do with what the police are doing?
Gizmodo blatantly admitted to paying for at that moment became stolen property. Was most likely a cop reading Tech sites that got the whole thing rolling
^^ You two do realize that Apple might not have anything to do with what the police are doing?
Gizmodo blatantly admitted to paying for at that moment became stolen property. Was most likely a cop reading Tech sites that got the whole thing rolling
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Umm... no. If you were up to date on your news you'd know Apple contacted the Police.
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^^ You two do realize that Apple might not have anything to do with what the police are doing?
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Don't be naive, my friend. When billions of $$ in profit are at stake, of course apple is involved. Follow the money trail.
It's also kinda funny and sad at the same time to see how bitter Steve Jobs is: "folks who want porn can buy an Android phone.” - where the hell did that come from? Completely unsupported and sounds like a childish rebound (android market doesn't allow adult content).
Is Jobs worried about a competing smartphone OS that is activating at a rate of 50,000 a day? You bet. Is he notoriously stubborn and mercurial? Sure. Known to talk out his ass? Yep. I'm guessing the "where the hell did that come from?" is more retorical in nature.
source: http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...ones_outsell_iPhone_2_to_1_says_research_firm
now that is music to my ears
Take that apple!
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Apple is getting the same treatement as before, they open the market and gets beaten by the "open" side!
Android FTW!
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source: http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...ones_outsell_iPhone_2_to_1_says_research_firm
now that is music to my ears
Take that apple!
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Analysts explained the Android boom by pointing out the plethora of manufacturers that equip their smartphones with Google's mobile operating system, and highlighting their availability on all the major U.S. carriers.
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It was bound to happen sooner or later.
why does it makes you so happy? i just dont get it
mike.sw said:
why does it makes you so happy? i just dont get it
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Because everybody wants to make sure that they bought the best smartphone of the universe, therefore they need constant reassurances like this, so that there is no need for any fear or envy.
BTT:
Well, Android vs. iPhone marketshare doesn't say anything really. I mean, Apple is competing with four iOS devices against (insert number here) Android devices. And now there are only 3GS and 4 available at high prices, whereas Android devices are much more affordable.
So this news makes the same sense as saying that BMW has a much higher market share than Porsche.
but did you know that apple had their highest revenue last quarter?
but it includes all their products, with the highest percentage from IPAD.
their iphone sales also is of high numbers.
they just have really good marketing that people(with no technical experience mostly) tend to buy them forgetting their flaws.
not that our phones don't...
as was stated by XQC, selling more android phones than iphones is surely because there are a lot more manufacturers that offer it to the public.
of course, I really would want to see apple's sales decline in the near future...
lemmy_0 said:
but did you know that apple had their highest revenue last quarter?
but it includes all their products, with the highest percentage from IPAD.
their iphone sales also is of high numbers.
they just have really good marketing that people(with no technical experience mostly) tend to buy them forgetting their flaws.
not that our phones don't...
as was stated by XQC, selling more android phones than iphones is surely because there are a lot more manufacturers that offer it to the public.
of course, I really would want to see apple's sales decline in the near future...
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That doesn't mean much.. It actually turns out that RIM had it's biggest earnings too, as well as many other companies. In fact, RIM reckons Apple used earlier figures from other companies during their bragging, which is why they appeared so awesome. in comparison to other companies.
It's more likely iPhone sales are slowing down at the moment, and Apple simply gained bigger profits per device during that period.
The reality is,
Well to be fair apple only has 1/2 iphones out vs 10bilion android phones, and they're just so much more profitable because their current customers would probably still buy the new iphone even if it was $1000. They just have such a high retention rate, and keep getting new customers who want apple because their products look nice, and they have been told it's easier to use.
They get incredible word of mouth advertising from their customers.
And i mean, every company use weird numbers for their competition, but it seems very clear to me that apple is very dirty with this (i.e: device activation vs android...)
I an happy because apple slowing down and android rise means I can choose from many manufacturers.
Also apple is distorting consumer which has to be stopped. Their success is due to extensive advertisement which portrayed apple product users as trendy and cool. That's cheap way to sell product. Also they focus more on looks than quality which will degrade quality of the product and consumer's expectation overall. For example nano has one of the worst sound quality yet it is dominating mp3. As more nano is being sold, consumers care less about sound quality which in fact is the most important for mp3... And quality of mp3 in general has gone down for all mp3. Same applies to phone. People are happily buying phone that drops call.... People are starting not to care what's important and are just trying to be cool....
These were what apple was doing over past few years. I an very happy to see that it is finally ending..
I am sensing apple's draconian era coming down and era where users can voice and innovate is coming. These all makes me happy
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this is because the fruit yet to show its true color!
lets see what happen in 2011 with this:
http://www.examiner.com/iphone-games-in-long-island/apple-ordeing-25-million-verizon-iphones
lifeisjustgreat said:
this is because the fruit yet to show its true color!
lets see what happen in 2011 with this:
http://www.examiner.com/iphone-games-in-long-island/apple-ordeing-25-million-verizon-iphones
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This doesn't explain how android dominate in other country than us.
World best ufc champion can not win a fight against 5 people. Even kindergartners can figure that out.
Btw apple is not worlds best champion in any way. Just used that analogy to prove a point.
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BTT:
Well, Android vs. iPhone marketshare doesn't say anything really. I mean, Apple is competing with four iOS devices against (insert number here) Android devices. And now there are only 3GS and 4 available at high prices, whereas Android devices are much more affordable.
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Exactly - the news posted in the first post mean... nothing or at least nothing good for Android-based smartphones, because Apple holds 1/3 of the market whilst 2/3 belongs to the number of other brands.
This is the reason they had the best revenue ever.
Anyway I can't understand one thing. Why people still want to pay huge amount of money for Apple devices (average price of iPhone 4 16GB is 1.3-1.5 times higher than SGS 16GB).
I know that owning a device with beaten apple logo makes people dignified, maybe that's it...
I am an open adversary of Apple because of their policies - as far as I can remember you need a MacOS-family system to develop applications for iOS.
Android apps may be developed under any OS.
Correct me if I am wrong.
To square up I would hardcode a 'feature' for the Eclipse ADT plugin to make it not working with MacOS versions of Eclipse
Sincerely,
Android Dev
ca7846 said:
This doesn't explain how android dominate in other country than us.
World best ufc champion can not win a fight against 5 people. Even kindergartners can figure that out.
Btw apple is not worlds best champion in any way. Just used that analogy to prove a point.
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other than US, which country android has domination ? at least not here in my country as i see all are fruits around. many still do not know what android is.
btw, i am in singapore.
Sweet! but it was inevitable to begin with...
ca7846 said:
I an happy because apple slowing down and android rise means I can choose from many manufacturers.
Also apple is distorting consumer which has to be stopped. Their success is due to extensive advertisement which portrayed apple product users as trendy and cool. That's cheap way to sell product. Also they focus more on looks than quality which will degrade quality of the product and consumer's expectation overall. For example nano has one of the worst sound quality yet it is dominating mp3. As more nano is being sold, consumers care less about sound quality which in fact is the most important for mp3... And quality of mp3 in general has gone down for all mp3. Same applies to phone. People are happily buying phone that drops call.... People are starting not to care what's important and are just trying to be cool....
These were what apple was doing over past few years. I an very happy to see that it is finally ending..
I am sensing apple's draconian era coming down and era where users can voice and innovate is coming. These all makes me happy
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Apple is the first and only company to use marketing to portray their products as "trendy or cool"
Also a lot of people buy apple products because many of them buy Apple products because *gasp* they like the products, the iPhone 4 is a very good product, the antenna issue is not as big a deal as some people want it to be.
The sound quality of an nano is more than good enough for most people, most people can't (and don't want to) tell the difference between two different mp3 players. Their quality control when it comes to interface has been way higher than android (though android is catching up).
Despite what android fan-boys want to believe they have been an incredibly innovative company over the last few years and the high controls they have over their products does have it's advantages (disadvantages as well of course).
nothing to do with that really.
it's just sad to see all your family and friends want to buy an iphone just because it's an iphone
it's like you see your friends being brainwashed and you can't do crap about it, to stop them from being sheeps taken to the cull
many times i ask my customers or friends "why do you need to buy an iphone?"
the typical answer is "i don't know, it's cool" ....
then another relevant question to bring out the light
"what are you going to do with the iphone" typical answer "duh, what do you use a phone for? make phone calls, and listen to music"
then i go "that's my point, any phone can do that now in days, why does it needs to be an iphone?" ... their answer again "i dunno"
i give that to apple, they have a very good marketing team, that knows how to brainwash people without them even knowing it... sigh... -_-
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Because everybody wants to make sure that they bought the best smartphone of the universe, therefore they need constant reassurances like this, so that there is no need for any fear or envy.
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TNStrangelove said:
Apple is the first and only company to use marketing to portray their products as "trendy or cool"
Also a lot of people buy apple products because many of them buy Apple products because *gasp* they like the products, the iPhone 4 is a very good product, the antenna issue is not as big a deal as some people want it to be.
The sound quality of an nano is more than good enough for most people, most people can't (and don't want to) tell the difference between two different mp3 players. Their quality control when it comes to interface has been way higher than android (though android is catching up).
Despite what android fan-boys want to believe they have been an incredibly innovative company over the last few years and the high controls they have over their products does have it's advantages (disadvantages as well of course).
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Thanks for your reply. You have just confirmed my argument about apple's distortion by being a prime example.
How a phone is good quality if it can't make call? What is the PHONE? What you are saying is that "hey that car got a good design both exterior and interior, nice wheels, spacious room. It's a good quality even though it can't run." Yes it might not happen to everybody. However, would you purchase that car if you had the prior knowledge that the car have a chance that it might not run? You did for iphone...
This is apple's distortion. They are good at interface and some cool features, I admit that. Users are clouded by these features, and design so they start not to care about what's really important. The phone has to be able to make a phone call. A phone having a slight chance of not able to make a phone call is simply unacceptable. Just as car with malfunctioning engine is not acceptable.
I have other arguments about nano and extensive advertisement, but they are irrelevant to this forum so I will stop here.
BTW I am not an android fan boy. I am just anti-apple. I am using android because I am not distorted by apple.
for a good laugh heres the Android vs Iphone cartoon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bcryQUuDwM
* i absolutely despise iphones with a passion, the only apple product i currently hold is an ipod nano. I bought it because of formfactor (slim) specifications. Which is also the reason i bought the SGS, cause there both slim.
Well, it surely is good to see people not blinded by the fruit!
I too despise the iDevice with a passion, but the main reason I like that Android outsells iPhone is because it will bring more apps, more developpers, more choice, more for us!
AllGamer said:
nothing to do with that really.
it's just sad to see all your family and friends want to buy an iphone just because it's an iphone
it's like you see your friends being brainwashed and you can't do crap about it, to stop them from being sheeps taken to the cull
many times i ask my customers or friends "why do you need to buy an iphone?"
the typical answer is "i don't know, it's cool" ....
then another relevant question to bring out the light
"what are you going to do with the iphone" typical answer "duh, what do you use a phone for? make phone calls, and listen to music"
then i go "that's my point, any phone can do that now in days, why does it needs to be an iphone?" ... their answer again "i dunno"
i give that to apple, they have a very good marketing team, that knows how to brainwash people without them even knowing it... sigh... -_-
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and this is not a brainwash?
i often ask people why they want android... you know the answers right?
1) it's not apple
2) it's "open"
LOL.
of-course android is outselling ios.
apple never try to dominate the market.
apple does make some good things and all this smartphone touchscreen market is pretty much invented by apple.
First of all, i have an Evo...before anyone says apple fanboy. Call me whatever you would like, however. So anyways, why do you guys hate on apple so much? They have way better products than anyone out there.
Take for example..motorola xoom. 800$ for dual core tablet. Se? 800? Why not just buy a really good laptop? The ipad 2 starts out at 499, for 16gb. It has a dual core chip, two cameras..anything you would want from a tablet computer. Granted it does run Apple's software, but you seriously can't hate on a device that is way better than any out there.
The pricing is better.
The product is better.
The aftermarket is better.
The design is better.
The battery life is WAY better.
And before someone says, you will just have to replace it in a year..so what? You have to replace anything within a year. One month after you buy something (especially on verizon!) you are already outdated. You have (Motorola, Samsung, Rim, and god knows who else making all these tablets). At least you have one company only making one design a year. They update their technology, and they make it good. Android phones get a new one every freaking month, and they are all looking the same. When you have different companies making different stuff, they shouldn't look the same. Can you say copycat much?
Get over yourselves.
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First of all, i have an Evo...before anyone says apple fanboy. Call me whatever you would like, however. So anyways, why do you guys hate on apple so much? They have way better products than anyone out there.
Take for example..motorola xoom. 800$ for dual core tablet. Se? 800? Why not just buy a really good laptop? The ipad 2 starts out at 499, for 16gb. It has a dual core chip, two cameras..anything you would want from a tablet computer. Granted it does run Apple's software, but you seriously can't hate on a device that is way better than any out there.
The pricing is better.
The product is better.
The aftermarket is better.
The design is better.
The battery life is WAY better.
And before someone says, you will just have to replace it in a year..so what? You have to replace anything within a year. One month after you buy something (especially on verizon!) you are already outdated. You have (Motorola, Samsung, Rim, and god knows who else making all these tablets). At least you have one company only making one design a year. They update their technology, and they make it good. Android phones get a new one every freaking month, and they are all looking the same. When you have different companies making different stuff, they shouldn't look the same. Can you say copycat much?
Get over yourselves.
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I don't know why would set yourself up to get flamed on this because you know its gonna happen, but whatever floats your boat. I'm not gonna hate on you for liking Apple but I do think that you missed a few things.
-Android is more customizable since it is open source.
-The majority of Apples product line is not better priced than its competitor's.
-The specs on Apples stuff becomes outdated very quickly, many times you can buy something non-apple cheaper that is spec wise a lot better and it won't cost your near as much.
The only things that I can agree with you on is that yes Apple design is better, and also the support for their products is much better, but with a significant price difference usually.
I think it really comes down to preference in the end. IMHO people fall in love with Apple products because they are easier to use, there is not a lot of complication in doing some things. IOS vs. Android, you have the people who want to be able to have a smartphone and dig the ease of things in IOS, then you have Android which is more complicated but you can do a lot more with it. So you could call the IPhone the smartphone for "dummies" and then Android is for the more tech advanced crowd that likes to customize everything to how they want it. I am not trying to step on anyone here but, that is just how I see it and I think many others would agree.
PS- I am not here to argue about which is better, so if your gonna start trying to flame on me don't expect another post from me.
What's with all these random threads?
****, you're cluttering up the forums!
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What a snorefest. I hope you guys have fun arguing the same **** over and over.
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I am not trolling, i am pointing out good issues. I am sorry that you are such a android fanboy where you cannot take criticism and realize when you are wrong.
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I am not trolling, i am pointing out good issues. I am sorry that you are such a android fanboy where you cannot take criticism and realize when you are wrong.
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not true.. because pricing has not officially announced.
I don't get why people "hate" anything product related. If you don't want it, don't buy it. Saying anything sucks without owning one for a long period of time is just people being petty, immature, and possibly jealous.
It's one thing to be brand loyal, but don't be a moron about it. Think about if everything were the same. It would suck. The fact that there are different brands and items is a good thing. We should want more diversity, not less.
I don't really *hate* Apple. I just don't like the way they do business. It doesn't appeal to me. They lie about the competition, present the worst case scenario as the norm, lock everything down, and charge a premium for cosmetic differences.
I could buy a Mac Pro laptop for $1200 or I could buy an Asus laptop with the same specs PLUS an iPad or Galaxy Tab for the same price. It's not worth it to me to have an aluminum case and a slightly better fit and finish. For some folks it is worth it. People buy Mercedes and BMW and that's their business. I just don't like the implication that unless you buy into their closed ecosystem you are stuck with something that is falling apart and complete garbage. There's always something in between the bargain basement crap and the fancy boutique offering.
Xoom has a bit higher specs than the iPad 2 but yeah, it's a bit overpriced. The thing is, it's not just Apple that prices high when something is new. The Viewsonic G-Tablet has almost identical specs to the iPad 2 and it's $400. As the market heats up there should be plenty of $500 tablets.
And they *will* do more to replace a laptop. They run all kinds of apps from any app store, not only the Apple or Google or whoever approved store. They don't block competing tech like Flash which is used on a ton of web apps. Not everyone wants to sacrifice capability just so things are idiot-simple.
This is the only time when I really get annoyed at Apple. They make certain simple things sound so hard in order to sell their products. Rather than spending 15 minutes to learn valuable computer skills, they'll just take away options and charge you for the privilege. Screw that. Paying extra so I don't have to think is not a good thing and the idea that it is a good thing irritates the crap out of me. People are way too eager to open their wallets to avoid using their brains as it is. On a personal level that annoys me.
If you think I'm too stupid to decide what apps to install or what kinds of things I want to run on the devices I can buy, then you can do without my stupid money.
Anyway that's all personal ranting. There's always a market for people with more cash than time or effort. It's legit. It's just not the only way to look at things and it's not for me. I like to bargain shop, compare features/specs, and go for bang to buck ratio. That's just not usually an option with Apple.
Besides all of my personal preferences, I don't really give a crap where other people spend their money. As long as there are options that suit me better I am happy. Tech geeks can argue about why they make the choices they do all day. It's our hobby to research and compare so we stand behind our decisions. It can get irrational and I'm no better. In the end it's just consumer electronics made by greedy corporations and they will probably all gain sentience and kill us all anyway.
^ This guy
Couldn't have said it better
neodorian said:
I don't really *hate* Apple. I just don't like the way they do business.
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This. Although I am posting this from one of my 2 macbook pros. As a designer, I can't get used to Windows, but the above applies to the rest of their business.
Digging deep in my fail bank today. These threads are getting a little crazy today.
****tards need to quit starting threads just to start ****.
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****tards need to quit starting threads just to start ****.
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I agree with this. Let's not forget this is an Evo forum, for discussion of the Evo. Let's not clutter it up with threads of non-relevant devices. There's an off-topic thread if you want to do that.
Wow, so silly. You are a troll, speaking in absolutes, and without facts.
The xoom 32gb wifi + 3g that is 800 has a slightly larger screen, and is upgradeable to 4g for no additional cost.
The ipad2 32gb wifi + 3g is 730.
If you are arguing options, that is one thing, but it doesn't make sense to compare different storage sizes and complain about the price difference.
If you took 4g out of the picture, the xoom 32gb would be cheaper than 800. Both are dual core. They are both simarly speced and priced products.
Since you asked, yes Apple has good products and eco systems. What I personally don't like are their practices which are worse than anything Microsoft ever done.
I hate Apple because they act as though customers are lucky to be holding one of their products in their hand instead of the company feeling lucky that they have the customer.
The only thing that apple does that I'd like to see other manufacturers do themselves is make near-perfect hardware. The build quality of apple products is without rival and I wish HTC would attempt to come close to that.
OK, so after about a week with my Xoom, i've been plagued with the question, "is that an I pad?" When I pronounce that it is definately not an I pad they ask me what it is. So I go on to explain the specs, both that of the I pad 1 & 2 and of my Xoom, I don't think one person that asked me understood a word of what I was saying. Nearly all of them ended up saying "so they are the same thing." I'm sure most of you can understand my frustration. So I end up resolving by kindly saying, yes they are both tablet computers and in that fact alone they are similar.
This leads me to believe that Apple sells most of their devices to people that look at the xoom and the ipad, see the price, and buy the I pad because its cheaper. Or maybe its just because ios is pretty much fool proof.
This is what worries me, are we becoming the minority? The small group of us that understand openness and what is worth a buck.
I understand the I pad itself is an amazing piece of equipment, but what the people I talk to don't understand is it is built on phone os. If they took ios out of the iPhone and stuck it in a macbook, I bet some people would still buy it, and not only that, I bet they would come online and rant about how amazing it is.
Honestly, is that really a question that needs asking? Apple peeps used to say "Our hardware is so superior to a PC... now it IS a PC.... then they said software is king... and they go and install windows on their mac also... For the last few years, Mac gets hacked the quickest at the conventions... most Mac people I ask don't run antivirus since they think their Mac is virus etc proof...
Mac / ios are for people who don't have time to learn the intricacies of a superior product or better way to do things.
You sir are spot on!
I don't think people like that should have a choice between tablets. To me it sounds like they should stay with the silly little closed source Apple products. It is a much safer and wiser choice for them. An open source OS like Android is no place for someone who thinks that a Xoom and an iPad are the same exact product. It's really funny though because this happens to me a lot so I can relate. Me being a tech expert, I run into this thing a lot.
And in my opinion, us computer techies are actually becoming more and more uncommon. The common person has no idea that you can even root/jailbreak a device, in fact... the less you know, the better off they are. Ofcourse that is just an example, but a good one indeed. It's pretty bad that most of the world relies on such things as iTunes because they cannot figure out how to drag and drop music onto an mp3 player. It's really messed up that people are not tech saavy enough to do the simplest things or understand basic tech knowledge, but hey... that's where us computer guys come in. We show up to save the day, and make all the money. +1 for all the techno nerds out there!
Android user for life!
They don't market to "idiots" per se, but they market to the general consumer products that "just work", with no extra setup or maintenance required. This is why they have prospered with 95% of the general consumer that buys these products.
Its easy for us at XDA to say that the iPad has its shortcomings, but to the random person who just wants it to work and doesn't want to tinker and mess with it the iPad/iPhone/iPod are perfect for them.
I love android and love tweaking/messing with it, but my girlfriend just wants to turn on her iPhone (or her computer, a Mac Mini, for that matter) and have everything work easily, no questions asked. Know what I mean? I wish I could recommend Android to more people, but unfortunately I really can't given the minimum level of aptitude to really take advantage of it.
They don't market to idiots. They market to people who want things simple and polished. And I wouldn't be so quick to shrug off the closed ecosystem until Android gets a:
Music store
Video store
Video rental
Netflix
Wide swath of high quality games
Android has yet to prove that an open ecosystem can bring in major developers and content providers. I hope this changes in the near future. Until then its clearly a better choice for 95% of the population to just go the Apple iPad route.
I totally get the "it just works" hypothesis... Until it just doesn't work. Want to see some serious joe and jen sixpack RAGE? Go to an apple store and watch them take in their broken macbook. Want to see some real android nerd RAGE? You won't. They fix it themselves or swap it out for one that does.
Brains are beling replaced by 'idiot-proof' devices... Watch a classic movie for a glimpse into our future if isheep and moron trash keep having babies: Idiocracy
Bukem75 said:
I totally get the "it just works" hypothesis... Until it just doesn't work. Want to see some serious joe and jen sixpack RAGE? Go to an apple store and watch them take in their broken macbook. Want to see some real android nerd RAGE? You won't. They fix it themselves or swap it out for one that does.
Brains are beling replaced by 'idiot-proof' devices... Watch a classic movie for a glimpse into our future if isheep and moron trash keep having babies: Idiocracy
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LOL. I dont understand the animosity towards Apple. They have created an amazing ecosystem around their mobile offerings. They make EXTREMELY high quality hardware throughout their entire lineup, to the point where no other OEM comes even close to matching them. They demand a premium for their products in more cases (somehow the Xoom is the one demanding the premium now), because of the quality of their devices and their software.
As for your "rage" comment, i doubt it. Apple offers a one year warranty on their macbook where you can walk into the Apple store and hand it to them and they will either fix it on the spot or send it to be repaired. No other OEM does it this hassle free. Also they sell Applecare which most "idiots" as you describe them probably would have purchased, extending the warranty to 2-3 years. This covers everything. Also, these idiots, if they have a question with a program or how to get their new ipod to work with their macbook, can just take it all to the store and someone will talk them through it nice and slow.
When someone asks me if my Nexus is the same as an iPhone I ask them "is a Mustang the same thing as a Camaro?" They are the same class of car (or phone) but are different brands and do things a little differently then one another.
I called them average joe and jen sixpack. Never called them idiots. Please, show me the error of my way and aide me on the road to recovery by quoting where I said they are idiots.
Apple is a small niche computer company. Their mobile/mp3 side is what is profitible. Honestly, they would have been bankrupt in the 90s if they had not given all those computers to schools in the 80s. Great strategy.
As for computers breaking, generally most break in the first month or so after they have a true burn-in or else they last for a long time. The year replacement thing is nice, but not really a selling point to me... Hell, even BB does this.
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Also, these idiots, if they have a question with a program or how to get their new ipod to work with their macbook, can just take it all to the store and someone will talk them through it nice and slow.
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So after you rant a bit on me for calling them idiots, you go and do it... and then say the apple dude will talk them through it... nice and slow... like what? Morons? lol
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LOL. I dont understand the animosity towards Apple. They have created an amazing ecosystem around their mobile offerings. They make EXTREMELY high quality hardware throughout their entire lineup, to the point where no other OEM comes even close to matching them. They demand a premium for their products in more cases (somehow the Xoom is the one demanding the premium now), because of the quality of their devices and their software.
As for your "rage" comment, i doubt it. Apple offers a one year warranty on their macbook where you can walk into the Apple store and hand it to them and they will either fix it on the spot or send it to be repaired. No other OEM does it this hassle free. Also they sell Applecare which most "idiots" as you describe them probably would have purchased, extending the warranty to 2-3 years. This covers everything. Also, these idiots, if they have a question with a program or how to get their new ipod to work with their macbook, can just take it all to the store and someone will talk them through it nice and slow.
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My good sir,
You are right, please allow me to rephrase this. Does Apple market to the ignorant population? Defined in this way:
Ignorant: unaware because of a lack of relevant information or knowledge; "he was completely ignorant of the circumstances"
Which really i know is a sold answer. But my points being that they market to the people that are unaware that buying from them, because they are stupid proof products, is allowingApple to do whatever they want. I don't have a problem with their products or most of their bussinesss strategy, but more and more they are straight starting to piss me off. And what bothers me are these idiots walking around acting like everything's not changing in big company's favor. You think Apple has created an amazing ecosystem cause you can turn on your iPhone and get your movies and your music and whatever. But they are destroying the ecosystem that should be between apple and the developers using their system. They are greedy, and the ignorant people they are generating all all this bull**** to go on.
I am not here to offend apple buyers, I have a jsilbroken iPhone and its awesome.
I am here however to discuss the fact that Apple is creating a land full of people that are introduced to idiot proof technology and banks off them.
listen; if you don't own one, Don't knock it
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justabrake said:
listen; if you don't own one, Don't knock it
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I do own several Apple products, which is what helped me draw my concluson.
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When someone asks me if my Nexus is the same as an iPhone I ask them "is a Mustang the same thing as a Camaro?" They are the same class of car (or phone) but are different brands and do things a little differently then one another.
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Wait, I don't get it. The answer is yes, they are both dumpy American made "sports" cars.
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I called them average joe and jen sixpack. Never called them idiots. Please, show me the error of my way and aide me on the road to recovery by quoting where I said they are idiots.
Apple is a small niche computer company. Their mobile/mp3 side is what is profitible. Honestly, they would have been bankrupt in the 90s if they had not given all those computers to schools in the 80s. Great strategy.
As for computers breaking, generally most break in the first month or so after they have a true burn-in or else they last for a long time. The year replacement thing is nice, but not really a selling point to me... Hell, even BB does this.
So after you rant a bit on me for calling them idiots, you go and do it... and then say the apple dude will talk them through it... nice and slow... like what? Morons? lol
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Oh, I'm sorry, you called them "moron trash" and not "idiots".
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Oh, I'm sorry, you called them "moron trash" and not "idiots".
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Where'd you get the word trash from? Come on now.
RadDudeTommy said:
My good sir,
You are right, please allow me to rephrase this. Does Apple market to the ignorant population? Defined in this way:
Ignorant: unaware because of a lack of relevant information or knowledge; "he was completely ignorant of the circumstances"
Which really i know is a sold answer. But my points being that they market to the people that are unaware that buying from them, because they are stupid proof products, is allowingApple to do whatever they want. I don't have a problem with their products or most of their bussinesss strategy, but more and more they are straight starting to piss me off. And what bothers me are these idiots walking around acting like everything's not changing in big company's favor. You think Apple has created an amazing ecosystem cause you can turn on your iPhone and get your movies and your music and whatever. But they are destroying the ecosystem that should be between apple and the developers using their system. They are greedy, and the ignorant people they are generating all all this bull**** to go on.
I am not here to offend apple buyers, I have a jsilbroken iPhone and its awesome.
I am here however to discuss the fact that Apple is creating a land full of people that are introduced to idiot proof technology and banks off them.
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People are willing to trade a lack of choice and openness for an ecosystem that just works and is really nearly flawlessly executed. They are willing to give up being able to flash roms for a device that has a couple thousand quality games, the ability to buy music from itunes, rent movies from itunes, watch netflix and have every app under the sun made for them first. If Apple oversteps their bounds, like they seem to be doing with the 30% subscription thing, people will abandon their platform. Until they do that, frankly they simply have the better ecosystem/devices until Android can make up some of that functionality differential.
RadDudeTommy said:
Where'd you get the word trash from? Come on now.
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can you read your post? This is the post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11869842&postcount=6
Brains are beling replaced by 'idiot-proof' devices... Watch a classic movie for a glimpse into our future if isheep and moron trash keep having babies: Idiocracy
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I made it big for you to see and i bolded it and made it red.
muyoso said:
Oh, I'm sorry, you called them "moron trash" and not "idiots".
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Watch a classic movie for a glimpse into our future if isheep and moron trash keep having babies: Idiocracy
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Two totally separate groups of people. 1: isheep & 2: moron trash. I am guessing you have not watched the movie Idiocracy. Have a laugh. It's great.
Feel free to correct yourself again.
Once more for dramatic effect:
He's a Mac
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HE is moron trash:
i dont ssee why tthis had to get so fueled. I originally started with, does apple market to idiots? If you take a close look at that question, it does not insinuate that Apple is an idiot or that people that buy Apple is an idiot. It is a question towards their marketing and strategy.
Also no oone in this thread was offending any specific body of people.
Then here you come and just stir up a debate that was not there.
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As Reuters reports and Apple has confirmed, Apple CEO Steve Jobs is stepping down from his leadership position. Apple's Board of Directors has named Tim Cook the company's new CEO. Jobs has been elected Chairman of the Board.
"I have made some of the best friends of my life at Apple, and I thank you all for the many years of being able to work alongside you," Jobs wrote in his resignation letter.
Below is Apple's official press release on the announcement (via Business Wire):
Apple’s Board of Directors today announced that Steve Jobs has resigned as Chief Executive Officer, and the Board has named Tim Cook, previously Apple’s Chief Operating Officer, as the company’s new CEO. Jobs has been elected Chairman of the Board and Cook will join the Board, effective immediately.
“Steve’s extraordinary vision and leadership saved Apple and guided it to its position as the world’s most innovative and valuable technology company,” said Art Levinson, Chairman of Genentech, on behalf of Apple's Board. “Steve has made countless contributions to Apple’s success, and he has attracted and inspired Apple’s immensely creative employees and world class executive team. In his new role as Chairman of the Board, Steve will continue to serve Apple with his unique insights, creativity and inspiration.”
“The Board has complete confidence that Tim is the right person to be our next CEO,” added Levinson. “Tim’s 13 years of service to Apple have been marked by outstanding performance, and he has demonstrated remarkable talent and sound judgment in everything he does.”
Jobs submitted his resignation to the Board today and strongly recommended that the Board implement its succession plan and name Tim Cook as CEO.
As COO, Cook was previously responsible for all of the company’s worldwide sales and operations, including end-to-end management of Apple’s supply chain, sales activities, and service and support in all markets and countries. He also headed Apple’s Macintosh division and played a key role in the continued development of strategic reseller and supplier relationships, ensuring flexibility in response to an increasingly demanding marketplace.
Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world, along with OS X, iLife, iWork and professional software. Apple leads the digital music revolution with its iPods and iTunes online store. Apple has reinvented the mobile phone with its revolutionary iPhone and App Store, and has recently introduced iPad 2 which is defining the future of mobile media and computing devices.
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The Wall Street Journal published a letter from Steve Jobs announcing his resignation:
PRESS RELEASE: Letter from Steve Jobs
August 24, 2011–To the Apple Board of Directors and the Apple Community:
I have always said if there ever came a day when I could no longer meet my duties and expectations as Apple’s CEO, I would be the first to let you know. Unfortunately, that day has come.
I hereby resign as CEO of Apple. I would like to serve, if the Board sees fit, as Chairman of the Board, director and Apple employee.
As far as my successor goes, I strongly recommend that we execute our succession plan and name Tim Cook as CEO of Apple.
I believe Apple’s brightest and most innovative days are ahead of it. And I look forward to watching and contributing to its success in a new role.
I have made some of the best friends of my life at Apple, and I thank you all for the many years of being able to work alongside you.
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According to Reuters, Apple shares fell following the announcement.
Hopefully I won't get shunned by the community for this, but I'm actually a little disappointed.
I do really like Apple products, and I think without Jobs, they're going to become less of a competitor in the future. Less competition can make Android handset makers lazy because they aren't trying to steal the iPhone business.
And it's definitely going to hurt the tablet market. I like some of the newer tablets, but IMO, the iPad is still the best available right now. And if the iPad slows down, the tablets won't be in a hurry to catch up.
Maybe I'll be wrong. And maybe you guys won't hate me for that rant.
godsmacked4653 said:
Hopefully I won't get shunned by the community for this, but I'm actually a little disappointed.
I do really like Apple products, and I think without Jobs, they're going to become less of a competitor in the future. Less competition can make Android handset makers lazy because they aren't trying to steal the iPhone business.
And it's definitely going to hurt the tablet market. I like some of the newer tablets, but IMO, the iPad is still the best available right now. And if the iPad slows down, the tablets won't be in a hurry to catch up.
Maybe I'll be wrong. And maybe you guys won't hate me for that rant.
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Nope, I agree. If I had a choice I would go with the iPad.
I think he was just done. Everyone gets burned out eventually. We're better for what he brought us. Honestly I'm a little sad now for the Mac world.
godsmacked4653 said:
Hopefully I won't get shunned by the community for this, but I'm actually a little disappointed.
I do really like Apple products, and I think without Jobs, they're going to become less of a competitor in the future. Less competition can make Android handset makers lazy because they aren't trying to steal the iPhone business.
And it's definitely going to hurt the tablet market. I like some of the newer tablets, but IMO, the iPad is still the best available right now. And if the iPad slows down, the tablets won't be in a hurry to catch up.
Maybe I'll be wrong. And maybe you guys won't hate me for that rant.
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Jobs is a -EDIT- socialist corporate dictator in the stylings of a 1939-1945 German politician or a Stalin-era Soviet autocrat. I'm quite certain he hasn't killed anyone or tried to exterminate anything... except the competition, through any means possible.
wildstang83 said:
I think he was just done. Everyone gets burned out eventually. We're better for what he brought us. Honestly I'm a little sad now for the Mac world.
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Yeah he has pancreatic cancer so it's not exactly like he's tired of it, he's not healthy enough and probably some days unable to think at full capacity because of treatments.
Jobs is a NAZI.
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Obvious stupidity right there.
Apple has brought some amazing products and though I don't agree with the way they handle control over their products they still were and are pioneers in the portable MP3 player, smartphone and tablet world.
loonatik78 said:
Jobs is a NAZI.
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No, he is a very very wealthy business man. Are you even old enough to know the true meaning of that word? Thats pretty offensive to thtow that around, you look like a complete idiot.
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POQbum said:
Apple has brought some amazing products and though I don't agree with the way they handle control over their products they still were and are pioneers in the portable MP3 player, smartphone and tablet world.
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+1 on that. I prefer Android, (obviously) but Apple started the non-business smartphone thing which opened up the market for Android.
The control thing is also an issue with me, but you can't argue with results. Apple is successful and tons of people use their stuff. They're obviously doing something right.
That blows man.
At least he'll have a more hands-on connection with the board of directors though.
donnyp1 said:
No, he is a very very wealthy business man. Are you even old enough to know the true meaning of that word? Thats pretty offensive to thtow that around, you look like a complete idiot.
If ive helped you, please hit the damn thanks button!
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I'm old enough to remember what it was like to screw around on computers with dual 5.25 drives and monochrome screens, as well as the days Jobs was flying the Jolly Rodger over the headquarters of Apple. He's NOT an electronics innovator, he never was! Waz was the innovator! He screwed around with some code and got Apple where it is today though an overwhelmingly adversarial mode of management and leadership. I remember the Apple II... and do you know why? Because my dad was a developer on Unix platforms most of my life and the machines I played with at home as a kid blew those heaps of crap out of the water. Machines like the Leading Edge and the Compaq Deskpro series of 286 and 386 machines. Am I the ONLY one that knows where the GUI for the Mac came from??? It's not like Apple invented it! They basically STOLE it! Not that Gates is a whole lot better, but gimme a break people! Jobs is quite possibly the most cut-throat, aggressive man to ever rise to corporate power!
Does he have a vision? Yup. Is he successful? Sure is. Would I EVER buy an Apple product? Absolutely not. I don't like the philosophy of Steve Jobs. I don't like his management. I don't like his character. I don't like his history. I don't like the path he's led computing down in many regards. I don't like his belief in the "walled garden" user experience. If someone wants to argue Jobs hasn't run Apple as a dictator, you have NO legs to stand on. Through sheer force of personality, that man has pitted people against people like pit bulls in a dog fight. He's put his vision and his philosophies ahead of even the good of that company, which is how his ass got tossed the first time before he founded NeXT, which would certainly have gone belly up if not for a buy-out from Apple!
As for the fool who called my likening him to a NAZI stupid, consider that Jobs is WIDELY regarded as a man who'd sell his own mother to get the next iPhone out of development. He's a political and organizational socialist, in much the same style as NAZI and Soviet leadership. His cult of personality fits right in with them too. He's got this vision of an Apple world, and an Apple experience, but I can't see where he's ever given a damn about people's lives. The guy is only alive today because he bought his way onto every organ transplant list in the United States to get his liver!
Hate on me all you want, but I'm right. I don't like the guy. I've just explained why. If you've got a problem with this, do the RIGHT thing and PM me. Don't turn this into some flame war. I won't be back to this thread to be tempted.
Wow to both the previous comment and Steve Jobs stepping down.
loonatik78 said:
Jobs is a NAZI.
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well thats a harsh comment personally i like apple products and ios would i buy one instead of an android device? probably why? because android basically came from ios if you look at android and ios and compare how theyve grown everytime ios grows android seems to grow also there would be no android without ios without ios we would still be on cupcacke....what jobs has done with apple is awesome hopefully him backing down doesnt effect their products.
That's quite a surprise for the man that changed the way we saw the computer, literally.
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I like Apple products because of two things:
1. It's more techno gadgetry to play with.
2. Their shiny.
loonatik78 said:
I'm old enough to remember what it was like to screw around on computers with dual 5.25 drives and monochrome screens, as well as the days Jobs was flying the Jolly Rodger over the headquarters of Apple. He's NOT an electronics innovator, he never was! Waz was the innovator! He screwed around with some code and got Apple where it is today though an overwhelmingly adversarial mode of management and leadership. I remember the Apple II... and do you know why? Because my dad was a developer on Unix platforms most of my life and the machines I played with at home as a kid blew those heaps of crap out of the water. Machines like the Leading Edge and the Compaq Deskpro series of 286 and 386 machines. Am I the ONLY one that knows where the GUI for the Mac came from??? It's not like Apple invented it! They basically STOLE it! Not that Gates is a whole lot better, but gimme a break people! Jobs is quite possibly the most cut-throat, aggressive man to ever rise to corporate power!
Does he have a vision? Yup. Is he successful? Sure is. Would I EVER buy an Apple product? Absolutely not. I don't like the philosophy of Steve Jobs. I don't like his management. I don't like his character. I don't like his history. I don't like the path he's led computing down in many regards. I don't like his belief in the "walled garden" user experience. If someone wants to argue Jobs hasn't run Apple as a dictator, you have NO legs to stand on. Through sheer force of personality, that man has pitted people against people like pit bulls in a dog fight. He's put his vision and his philosophies ahead of even the good of that company, which is how his ass got tossed the first time before he founded NeXT, which would certainly have gone belly up if not for a buy-out from Apple!
As for the fool who called my likening him to a NAZI stupid, consider that Jobs is WIDELY regarded as a man who'd sell his own mother to get the next iPhone out of development. He's a political and organizational socialist, in much the same style as NAZI and Soviet leadership. His cult of personality fits right in with them too. He's got this vision of an Apple world, and an Apple experience, but I can't see where he's ever given a damn about people's lives. The guy is only alive today because he bought his way onto every organ transplant list in the United States to get his liver!
Hate on me all you want, but I'm right. I don't like the guy. I've just explained why. If you've got a problem with this, do the RIGHT thing and PM me. Don't turn this into some flame war. I won't be back to this thread to be tempted.
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There are definitely some valid points there. There are several fallacies, too.
Was Jobs an overbearing ****? Probably. In a social settings, that's terrible. In a business setting? It's genius.
Apple's "walled garden" creates an unparalleled experience for the consumer. Set yourself up with a nice Mac, an iPhone and an iPad, and see how easy it is to stream media to every room in your house, your TV, etc. On top of that, everything in uniform and is actually held to, if nothing else, an aesthetic standard. The apps are interface are very high quality and 99% work just as they should, all the time. I, for one, am very envious of that.
My Incredible doesn't play nice with Windows all the time. Sometimes I download what sounds like a really cool app, only to find out the interface sucks or it crashes all the time because the developer hasn't updated it for Gingerbread. I can't expect my phone to stay updated, because technology moves incredibly fast and Verizon is greedy and holds out on said updates, as we've all seen recently here. With an Apple product? I'll get the same update as everyone else, the day it comes out, and it won't involve Verizon forcing me to have Slacker radio installed on my phone.
Google (and Microsoft, Nokia, whoever) can try as hard as they want to stomp out that "walled garden," but that simplicity and efficiency is totally unmatched on any other platform. For the average, not-so-tech-savvy user, (parents, girlfriends, that one dumb friend) putting them in a walled garden is genius. They can't break anything.
Personally, I think that's what Steve Jobs is leaving behind; an amazing marketing strategy and a fully realized vision of a simplified automation of technology aiding the average person in their everyday life. Not "being a big mean Nazi at the head of a company."
PS.
Just for reference, I love my Incredible, I had a Moto Droid before it, and my next phone will hopefully be an EVO 3D. I use Google Music and Banshee, and I dual-boot Win7 and Ubuntu. I'll probably have a Google TV by the end of the year. I am by no means an Apple fanboy. Don't even have an iPod. I'm just calling it how I see it.
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Edit: I would like to add in wildstang's excellent point.
Apple products are shiny.
godsmacked4653 said:
There are definitely some valid points there. There are several fallacies, too.
Was Jobs an overbearing ****? Probably. In a social settings, that's terrible. In a business setting? It's genius.
Apple's "walled garden" creates an unparalleled experience for the consumer. Set yourself up with a nice Mac, an iPhone and an iPad, and see how easy it is to stream media to every room in your house, your TV, etc. On top of that, everything in uniform and is actually held to, if nothing else, an aesthetic standard. The apps are interface are very high quality and 99% work just as they should, all the time. I, for one, am very envious of that.
My Incredible doesn't play nice with Windows all the time. Sometimes I download what sounds like a really cool app, only to find out the interface sucks or it crashes all the time because the developer hasn't updated it for Gingerbread. I can't expect my phone to stay updated, because technology moves incredibly fast and Verizon is greedy and holds out on said updates, as we've all seen recently here. With an Apple product? I'll get the same update as everyone else, the day it comes out, and it won't involve Verizon forcing me to have Slacker radio installed on my phone.
Google (and Microsoft, Nokia, whoever) can try as hard as they want to stomp out that "walled garden," but that simplicity and efficiency is totally unmatched on any other platform. For the average, not-so-tech-savvy user, (parents, girlfriends, that one dumb friend) putting them in a walled garden is genius. They can't break anything.
Personally, I think that's what Steve Jobs is leaving behind; an amazing marketing strategy and a fully realized vision of a simplified automation of technology aiding the average person in their everyday life. Not "being a big mean Nazi at the head of a company."
PS.
Just for reference, I love my Incredible, I had a Moto Droid before it, and my next phone will hopefully be an EVO 3D. I use Google Music and Banshee, and I dual-boot Win7 and Ubuntu. I'll probably have a Google TV by the end of the year. I am by no means an Apple fanboy. Don't even have an iPod. I'm just calling it how I see it.
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Edit: I would like to add in wildstang's excellent point.
Apple products are shiny.
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ok..... I was tempted and came back.
I will agree with every point you just made. I don't see how it conflicts with anything I said, either. And yeah.... they sure are shiny!
That said, the guy really did run the place into the ground before he was expelled. He's effectively destroyed Apple as a legitimate computer company today. Anything running OSX is obsolete before it hits the shelves. OSX, itself, is obsolete and poorly maintained. Apple USED to be something to lust over in computers, and then they got wierder, and weirder and more expensive, and the walls of that garden nearly crushed them. I think the cold hard reality is that their stuff is overpriced for what you get, it's becoming more a pain in the ass to use, ESPECIALLY if you don't want to become "one with the Steve Jobs way", and if they continue down a path of eco-system isolation, you're going to eventually see an Apple that looks like it did in the G4 era. And nobody ever thought that giant would go bust 5 or 6 years before that! ....they're already going down the road of weird proprietary connectors again! I think he's been lucky as much as "visionary".
He ran it into the ground?
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-has-more-cash-on-hand-than-the-us-government-2011-7 then how do they have more money than the federal government? That isnt running it to the grou.d.
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loonatik78 said:
Jobs is a -EDIT- socialist corporate dictator in the stylings of a 1939-1945 German politician or a Stalin-era Soviet autocrat. I'm quite certain he hasn't killed anyone or tried to exterminate anything... except the competition, through any means possible.
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Corporations and socialism don't mix.
You don't know what socialism actually means. To help you along with your education, here's the definition:
Socialism - an economic system in which the means of production are publicly or commonly owned and controlled cooperatively
You can dislike somebody without stooping to calling them a Nazi or socialist, especially when they don't carry any of those traits- and in this case the total opposite traits. Apple is as capitalistic as they come.
// After already going back and forth with you in a couple of threads before, I'm tired of it. So I won't reply to whatever rebuttal you have, no matter how offensive, pretentious or ill-informed it is.
I hope Steve Jobs gets better and people like you educate themselves.
donnyp1 said:
He ran it into the ground?
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-has-more-cash-on-hand-than-the-us-government-2011-7 then how do they have more money than the federal government? That isnt running it to the grou.d.
If ive helped you, please hit the damn thanks button!
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I was actually going to point this out. Apple is an extremely wealthy company.
Not sure how everything Apple makes is "obsolete as soon as it hits the shelves," either. Their retina display is head and shoulders above nearly every other handset screen available. OS X is more or less leading in terms of desktop interface. Windows and even some Linux distros are copying the OS X desktop. And the iPad still pretty much beats every other tablet by miles.
loonatik78 said:
. . . He's effectively destroyed Apple as a legitimate computer company today. Anything running OSX is obsolete before it hits the shelves. OSX, itself, is obsolete and poorly maintained. . . I think the cold hard reality is that their stuff is overpriced for what you get, it's becoming more a pain in the ass to use ...they're already going down the road of weird proprietary connectors again! . . .
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The original iPad was all about proprietary connectors, as are most of their portables. But, the marketplace supports their interfaces rather robustly.
Their Macs have all sorts of interfaces and are again industry-supported to a wide degree.
You're offering zombie Apple-hating points that have been spouted for many years, yet Apple's been doing generally quite well for some time.
Although, it seems you don't even know the difference between a German Nazi (i.e., National Socialist German Workers) Party and actual socialism. "Socialist" was placed in the Nazi Party name to lure in the real socialists (who were considered enemies of the party's goals), if I recall correctly.
So, perhaps I should suspect your similarly "off" assertions about Apple's successes and Steve Jobs role, as well.
And, I don't even like Apple products.
- ooofest
I'm not a fan of Apple products either, but from a competition standpoint, it's a necessary evil. The more competition, the better for the consumer. But from a business standpoint they just aren't open enough to be compatible with a corporate windows network.