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Approve/Disapprove of Apples suing HTC

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wth!!! that is retarded!!

How can the government even grant most of these patents? You invent the wheel, sure it makes life MUCH simpler for everyone, you deserve a patent. You start using latex instead of sheep skins for condom production - bravo - grant a patent. On the other hand, all these iPhone patents do is stifle innovation and overload the legal system. Plus, most of these "patents" are so vague that they're virtually guaranteed to have precedent by someone other than Apple patent holders. Really hope Google steps into this frey and not only helps HTC to squash Apple's claims, but also publically lay into the patent office for granting these things in the first place.

Good god almighty, those are ****ing stupid patents to grant.
bundys said:
How can the government even grant most of these patents? You invent the wheel, sure it makes life MUCH simpler for everyone, you deserve a patent. You start using latex instead of sheep skins for condom production - bravo - grant a patent. On the other hand, all these iPhone patents do is stifle innovation and overload the legal system. Plus, most of these "patents" are so vague that they're virtually guaranteed to have precedent by someone other than Apple patent holders. Really hope Google steps into this frey and not only helps HTC to squash Apple's claims, but also publically lay into the patent office for granting these things in the first place.
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Exactly. I hope this goes toward deconstructing the patent system and exposing for what it truly is--not a protection for intellectual property, but a tool for naked corporate greed.

Steve Jobs is a big fat ****....
He's going after android. Check this http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/...lawsuit?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget

Steve Jobs is an idiot. He cant handle any competition, he knows his device is inferior and cant handle that. He is shaking in his boots right now with the rapid growth of android. I really hope Google/HTC give him a big F you and put him in his place.

What's the point of this poll?
Who the heck in this forum is going to vote Yes?
No one will, except of course for DMaverick and pr0cl1v1ty.

Am I the only thinking that this would be the perfect time for google to start showing Ads on TV with the theme of look what our device can do that the iphone cant?
I would pay good money to see the look on Steve Jobs face the first time he sees this.

HTC should sue Apple for being stupid.

Software patents need to go, but how much you wanna bet that this is about Apple pre-emptively suing HTC before HTC sue *them*? I bet this is a face-saving measure. They'll cross-license and that will be the end of it.

I do agree that Apple has at least something to hold against HTC *cough* Android *cough* what comes to the patent infringements. In addition I also think that this is some laughable and needless muscle flexing on Apple's part and to think that it wouldn't be regarded as a proxy attack at Android and Google is just preposterous.
Come whatever may since this is going to get really ugly but I think Apple is not going to be the one coming out on top.

What an easy way to get money by licensing the patents...see what Nokia is doing on Apple...so now even Apple settles a deal with Nokia Apple may not need to get a penny out from its pocket...

Steve Jobs will talk **** about Android but he's too scared to sue Google so he sues HTC..haha thats a good one Steve, how about you go back into hiding

jp_macaroni said:
HTC should sue Apple for being stupid.
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Better yet, HTC should pull out the big guns (Microsoft) to sue them

Checkers or Chess?
Not cool Apple....especially since you stole from xerox etc(oh and Steve spoke of blatantly stealing from others)....but if you want to get to the root of it all Apple feels extremely threatened by Google/Android....Google is all about innovation and in Androids infant stages they blew Google off. Remember how much Apple used google maps to sell the iPhone when it was 1st introduced(the irony)....Now Android is growing up and its more of a competitor. But if you go against one you have to go against all of the companies with custom versions of Android in one way or another....I think the company that everyone keeps forgetting about is Palm...They were the catalysts for the mobile OS's we love today....The only reason HTC is in the crossfire is because of the Sense UI. But if you attack Sense UI, then you must attack Blur, Rachael, Dell's custom UI, and TouchWiz....(Thats HTC, Motorola, Sony Ericcson, Dell and Samsung) So instead of Apple focusing on bringing innovative products and services it chooses to contend with Google in a very risky game of chess. I personally feel many of Apple's policies slow innovation and impede competition.(app store**cough**) Apple I hope you get taught a humbling lesson.

If you read the breakdown of all the patents that they claim have been infringed upon, you can easily see that these would not only apply to Android, but a large variety of desktop operating systems and mobile oses as well.
engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-vs-htc-a-patent-breakdown/

I am sorry but what apple is doing with their iphone and mobile OS platform is just not good for growth long term; i will however give them the benefit of the doubt as far as short term growth but long term they are only hurting themselves unless they really can get the government to uphold all these patents...
personally i think these patents are so pathetic and i do not think the government had any clue what they were patenting when they actually allowed apple to get the patents that they did... the government nor did anyone else have any clue what the mobile world would like like it does now, 3 years ago when those patents were first granted... i mean, can you imagine the money the guy who patented urinal cakes makes if he invented and patented those things right after urinals were invented? some technology is better left unprotected by uncle same for the good of advancement... how the hell can you have a patent on a screen that registers multiple touches to it? that is the most unorthodox thing i think i have ever heard in my life... apple put out a great product, no doubt but they are going about every wrong direction in keeping their product and legacy alive... continue to innovate rather than play defense behind lawyers... i would rather buy from a continuously innovative company that promotes the growth of their products rather than a company who puts out 1 good product and then attacks everyone else to keep their product at the top, and thats just a matter of respect for a business...
I will admit, when the iphone first came out, that was the gadget to have and it was hands down the best phone and to some extent still is... apple has controlled every aspect of the phones growth and has more/less been very opposing to the group of jailbreakers and iphone hackers that have tried to bring 3rd party software to the phones (remember those updates that bricked a lot of peoples phones?). But with that said there comes a time where a company needs to let go, they did great at getting the phone, and to a certain extent, the entire mobile market really moving but after awhile they need to let things go and realize that they have already created a legacy and the users need to take the phone and platform the direction they want to go.
Simplicity is the key to get something started, complexity is the key to keep that same thing interesting...

Apple's only biting because HTC (with Google) are producing sales stealing devices. As far as I am aware, this is the first time Apple has filed patent breaches without first negotiating with the infringing party.
In legal circles, this is truely the response from a very immature, emotional, foot stomping little boy.
GO HTC!! GO Android!! GO you good thing!!

Honestly, I voted that I do agree with some of the patents that they had been granted, not all. Maybe through this mess we'll see some great innovation; interfaces that we've never considered before, alterations to common ideals of the way our phones operate. Google has brought us a good thing. From the perspective of apple, it would be intelligent to stop the source (htc), if there were infringing content being distributed (to be decided I guess). Google provides the best mobile OS available, HTC distributes it. It will end well for the consumer though, I promise.

"We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
- Steve Jobs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU
What a f-tard.
From what I can gather, the claims at its core appear to be about android and wm. I would like to see Google and Microsoft join forces on this one and get behind HTC.

Android phones outsell iPhone 2-to-1

source: http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...ones_outsell_iPhone_2_to_1_says_research_firm
now that is music to my ears
Take that apple!
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Apple is getting the same treatement as before, they open the market and gets beaten by the "open" side!
Android FTW!

AllGamer said:
source: http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...ones_outsell_iPhone_2_to_1_says_research_firm
now that is music to my ears
Take that apple!
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Analysts explained the Android boom by pointing out the plethora of manufacturers that equip their smartphones with Google's mobile operating system, and highlighting their availability on all the major U.S. carriers.
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It was bound to happen sooner or later.

why does it makes you so happy? i just dont get it

mike.sw said:
why does it makes you so happy? i just dont get it
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Because everybody wants to make sure that they bought the best smartphone of the universe, therefore they need constant reassurances like this, so that there is no need for any fear or envy.
BTT:
Well, Android vs. iPhone marketshare doesn't say anything really. I mean, Apple is competing with four iOS devices against (insert number here) Android devices. And now there are only 3GS and 4 available at high prices, whereas Android devices are much more affordable.
So this news makes the same sense as saying that BMW has a much higher market share than Porsche.

but did you know that apple had their highest revenue last quarter?
but it includes all their products, with the highest percentage from IPAD.
their iphone sales also is of high numbers.
they just have really good marketing that people(with no technical experience mostly) tend to buy them forgetting their flaws.
not that our phones don't...
as was stated by XQC, selling more android phones than iphones is surely because there are a lot more manufacturers that offer it to the public.
of course, I really would want to see apple's sales decline in the near future...

lemmy_0 said:
but did you know that apple had their highest revenue last quarter?
but it includes all their products, with the highest percentage from IPAD.
their iphone sales also is of high numbers.
they just have really good marketing that people(with no technical experience mostly) tend to buy them forgetting their flaws.
not that our phones don't...
as was stated by XQC, selling more android phones than iphones is surely because there are a lot more manufacturers that offer it to the public.
of course, I really would want to see apple's sales decline in the near future...
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That doesn't mean much.. It actually turns out that RIM had it's biggest earnings too, as well as many other companies. In fact, RIM reckons Apple used earlier figures from other companies during their bragging, which is why they appeared so awesome. in comparison to other companies.
It's more likely iPhone sales are slowing down at the moment, and Apple simply gained bigger profits per device during that period.
The reality is,

Well to be fair apple only has 1/2 iphones out vs 10bilion android phones, and they're just so much more profitable because their current customers would probably still buy the new iphone even if it was $1000. They just have such a high retention rate, and keep getting new customers who want apple because their products look nice, and they have been told it's easier to use.
They get incredible word of mouth advertising from their customers.
And i mean, every company use weird numbers for their competition, but it seems very clear to me that apple is very dirty with this (i.e: device activation vs android...)

I an happy because apple slowing down and android rise means I can choose from many manufacturers.
Also apple is distorting consumer which has to be stopped. Their success is due to extensive advertisement which portrayed apple product users as trendy and cool. That's cheap way to sell product. Also they focus more on looks than quality which will degrade quality of the product and consumer's expectation overall. For example nano has one of the worst sound quality yet it is dominating mp3. As more nano is being sold, consumers care less about sound quality which in fact is the most important for mp3... And quality of mp3 in general has gone down for all mp3. Same applies to phone. People are happily buying phone that drops call.... People are starting not to care what's important and are just trying to be cool....
These were what apple was doing over past few years. I an very happy to see that it is finally ending..
I am sensing apple's draconian era coming down and era where users can voice and innovate is coming. These all makes me happy
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this is because the fruit yet to show its true color!
lets see what happen in 2011 with this:
http://www.examiner.com/iphone-games-in-long-island/apple-ordeing-25-million-verizon-iphones

lifeisjustgreat said:
this is because the fruit yet to show its true color!
lets see what happen in 2011 with this:
http://www.examiner.com/iphone-games-in-long-island/apple-ordeing-25-million-verizon-iphones
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This doesn't explain how android dominate in other country than us.
World best ufc champion can not win a fight against 5 people. Even kindergartners can figure that out.
Btw apple is not worlds best champion in any way. Just used that analogy to prove a point.
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XQC said:
BTT:
Well, Android vs. iPhone marketshare doesn't say anything really. I mean, Apple is competing with four iOS devices against (insert number here) Android devices. And now there are only 3GS and 4 available at high prices, whereas Android devices are much more affordable.
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Exactly - the news posted in the first post mean... nothing or at least nothing good for Android-based smartphones, because Apple holds 1/3 of the market whilst 2/3 belongs to the number of other brands.
This is the reason they had the best revenue ever.
Anyway I can't understand one thing. Why people still want to pay huge amount of money for Apple devices (average price of iPhone 4 16GB is 1.3-1.5 times higher than SGS 16GB).
I know that owning a device with beaten apple logo makes people dignified, maybe that's it...
I am an open adversary of Apple because of their policies - as far as I can remember you need a MacOS-family system to develop applications for iOS.
Android apps may be developed under any OS.
Correct me if I am wrong.
To square up I would hardcode a 'feature' for the Eclipse ADT plugin to make it not working with MacOS versions of Eclipse
Sincerely,
Android Dev

ca7846 said:
This doesn't explain how android dominate in other country than us.
World best ufc champion can not win a fight against 5 people. Even kindergartners can figure that out.
Btw apple is not worlds best champion in any way. Just used that analogy to prove a point.
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other than US, which country android has domination ? at least not here in my country as i see all are fruits around. many still do not know what android is.
btw, i am in singapore.

Sweet! but it was inevitable to begin with...

ca7846 said:
I an happy because apple slowing down and android rise means I can choose from many manufacturers.
Also apple is distorting consumer which has to be stopped. Their success is due to extensive advertisement which portrayed apple product users as trendy and cool. That's cheap way to sell product. Also they focus more on looks than quality which will degrade quality of the product and consumer's expectation overall. For example nano has one of the worst sound quality yet it is dominating mp3. As more nano is being sold, consumers care less about sound quality which in fact is the most important for mp3... And quality of mp3 in general has gone down for all mp3. Same applies to phone. People are happily buying phone that drops call.... People are starting not to care what's important and are just trying to be cool....
These were what apple was doing over past few years. I an very happy to see that it is finally ending..
I am sensing apple's draconian era coming down and era where users can voice and innovate is coming. These all makes me happy
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Apple is the first and only company to use marketing to portray their products as "trendy or cool"
Also a lot of people buy apple products because many of them buy Apple products because *gasp* they like the products, the iPhone 4 is a very good product, the antenna issue is not as big a deal as some people want it to be.
The sound quality of an nano is more than good enough for most people, most people can't (and don't want to) tell the difference between two different mp3 players. Their quality control when it comes to interface has been way higher than android (though android is catching up).
Despite what android fan-boys want to believe they have been an incredibly innovative company over the last few years and the high controls they have over their products does have it's advantages (disadvantages as well of course).

nothing to do with that really.
it's just sad to see all your family and friends want to buy an iphone just because it's an iphone
it's like you see your friends being brainwashed and you can't do crap about it, to stop them from being sheeps taken to the cull
many times i ask my customers or friends "why do you need to buy an iphone?"
the typical answer is "i don't know, it's cool" ....
then another relevant question to bring out the light
"what are you going to do with the iphone" typical answer "duh, what do you use a phone for? make phone calls, and listen to music"
then i go "that's my point, any phone can do that now in days, why does it needs to be an iphone?" ... their answer again "i dunno"
i give that to apple, they have a very good marketing team, that knows how to brainwash people without them even knowing it... sigh... -_-
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Because everybody wants to make sure that they bought the best smartphone of the universe, therefore they need constant reassurances like this, so that there is no need for any fear or envy.
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TNStrangelove said:
Apple is the first and only company to use marketing to portray their products as "trendy or cool"
Also a lot of people buy apple products because many of them buy Apple products because *gasp* they like the products, the iPhone 4 is a very good product, the antenna issue is not as big a deal as some people want it to be.
The sound quality of an nano is more than good enough for most people, most people can't (and don't want to) tell the difference between two different mp3 players. Their quality control when it comes to interface has been way higher than android (though android is catching up).
Despite what android fan-boys want to believe they have been an incredibly innovative company over the last few years and the high controls they have over their products does have it's advantages (disadvantages as well of course).
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Thanks for your reply. You have just confirmed my argument about apple's distortion by being a prime example.
How a phone is good quality if it can't make call? What is the PHONE? What you are saying is that "hey that car got a good design both exterior and interior, nice wheels, spacious room. It's a good quality even though it can't run." Yes it might not happen to everybody. However, would you purchase that car if you had the prior knowledge that the car have a chance that it might not run? You did for iphone...
This is apple's distortion. They are good at interface and some cool features, I admit that. Users are clouded by these features, and design so they start not to care about what's really important. The phone has to be able to make a phone call. A phone having a slight chance of not able to make a phone call is simply unacceptable. Just as car with malfunctioning engine is not acceptable.
I have other arguments about nano and extensive advertisement, but they are irrelevant to this forum so I will stop here.
BTW I am not an android fan boy. I am just anti-apple. I am using android because I am not distorted by apple.

for a good laugh heres the Android vs Iphone cartoon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bcryQUuDwM
* i absolutely despise iphones with a passion, the only apple product i currently hold is an ipod nano. I bought it because of formfactor (slim) specifications. Which is also the reason i bought the SGS, cause there both slim.

Well, it surely is good to see people not blinded by the fruit!
I too despise the iDevice with a passion, but the main reason I like that Android outsells iPhone is because it will bring more apps, more developpers, more choice, more for us!

AllGamer said:
nothing to do with that really.
it's just sad to see all your family and friends want to buy an iphone just because it's an iphone
it's like you see your friends being brainwashed and you can't do crap about it, to stop them from being sheeps taken to the cull
many times i ask my customers or friends "why do you need to buy an iphone?"
the typical answer is "i don't know, it's cool" ....
then another relevant question to bring out the light
"what are you going to do with the iphone" typical answer "duh, what do you use a phone for? make phone calls, and listen to music"
then i go "that's my point, any phone can do that now in days, why does it needs to be an iphone?" ... their answer again "i dunno"
i give that to apple, they have a very good marketing team, that knows how to brainwash people without them even knowing it... sigh... -_-
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and this is not a brainwash?
i often ask people why they want android... you know the answers right?
1) it's not apple
2) it's "open"
LOL.
of-course android is outselling ios.
apple never try to dominate the market.
apple does make some good things and all this smartphone touchscreen market is pretty much invented by apple.

does Apple market to idiots?

OK, so after about a week with my Xoom, i've been plagued with the question, "is that an I pad?" When I pronounce that it is definately not an I pad they ask me what it is. So I go on to explain the specs, both that of the I pad 1 & 2 and of my Xoom, I don't think one person that asked me understood a word of what I was saying. Nearly all of them ended up saying "so they are the same thing." I'm sure most of you can understand my frustration. So I end up resolving by kindly saying, yes they are both tablet computers and in that fact alone they are similar.
This leads me to believe that Apple sells most of their devices to people that look at the xoom and the ipad, see the price, and buy the I pad because its cheaper. Or maybe its just because ios is pretty much fool proof.
This is what worries me, are we becoming the minority? The small group of us that understand openness and what is worth a buck.
I understand the I pad itself is an amazing piece of equipment, but what the people I talk to don't understand is it is built on phone os. If they took ios out of the iPhone and stuck it in a macbook, I bet some people would still buy it, and not only that, I bet they would come online and rant about how amazing it is.

Honestly, is that really a question that needs asking? Apple peeps used to say "Our hardware is so superior to a PC... now it IS a PC.... then they said software is king... and they go and install windows on their mac also... For the last few years, Mac gets hacked the quickest at the conventions... most Mac people I ask don't run antivirus since they think their Mac is virus etc proof...
Mac / ios are for people who don't have time to learn the intricacies of a superior product or better way to do things.

You sir are spot on!
I don't think people like that should have a choice between tablets. To me it sounds like they should stay with the silly little closed source Apple products. It is a much safer and wiser choice for them. An open source OS like Android is no place for someone who thinks that a Xoom and an iPad are the same exact product. It's really funny though because this happens to me a lot so I can relate. Me being a tech expert, I run into this thing a lot.
And in my opinion, us computer techies are actually becoming more and more uncommon. The common person has no idea that you can even root/jailbreak a device, in fact... the less you know, the better off they are. Ofcourse that is just an example, but a good one indeed. It's pretty bad that most of the world relies on such things as iTunes because they cannot figure out how to drag and drop music onto an mp3 player. It's really messed up that people are not tech saavy enough to do the simplest things or understand basic tech knowledge, but hey... that's where us computer guys come in. We show up to save the day, and make all the money. +1 for all the techno nerds out there!
Android user for life!

They don't market to "idiots" per se, but they market to the general consumer products that "just work", with no extra setup or maintenance required. This is why they have prospered with 95% of the general consumer that buys these products.
Its easy for us at XDA to say that the iPad has its shortcomings, but to the random person who just wants it to work and doesn't want to tinker and mess with it the iPad/iPhone/iPod are perfect for them.
I love android and love tweaking/messing with it, but my girlfriend just wants to turn on her iPhone (or her computer, a Mac Mini, for that matter) and have everything work easily, no questions asked. Know what I mean? I wish I could recommend Android to more people, but unfortunately I really can't given the minimum level of aptitude to really take advantage of it.

They don't market to idiots. They market to people who want things simple and polished. And I wouldn't be so quick to shrug off the closed ecosystem until Android gets a:
Music store
Video store
Video rental
Netflix
Wide swath of high quality games
Android has yet to prove that an open ecosystem can bring in major developers and content providers. I hope this changes in the near future. Until then its clearly a better choice for 95% of the population to just go the Apple iPad route.

I totally get the "it just works" hypothesis... Until it just doesn't work. Want to see some serious joe and jen sixpack RAGE? Go to an apple store and watch them take in their broken macbook. Want to see some real android nerd RAGE? You won't. They fix it themselves or swap it out for one that does.
Brains are beling replaced by 'idiot-proof' devices... Watch a classic movie for a glimpse into our future if isheep and moron trash keep having babies: Idiocracy

Bukem75 said:
I totally get the "it just works" hypothesis... Until it just doesn't work. Want to see some serious joe and jen sixpack RAGE? Go to an apple store and watch them take in their broken macbook. Want to see some real android nerd RAGE? You won't. They fix it themselves or swap it out for one that does.
Brains are beling replaced by 'idiot-proof' devices... Watch a classic movie for a glimpse into our future if isheep and moron trash keep having babies: Idiocracy
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LOL. I dont understand the animosity towards Apple. They have created an amazing ecosystem around their mobile offerings. They make EXTREMELY high quality hardware throughout their entire lineup, to the point where no other OEM comes even close to matching them. They demand a premium for their products in more cases (somehow the Xoom is the one demanding the premium now), because of the quality of their devices and their software.
As for your "rage" comment, i doubt it. Apple offers a one year warranty on their macbook where you can walk into the Apple store and hand it to them and they will either fix it on the spot or send it to be repaired. No other OEM does it this hassle free. Also they sell Applecare which most "idiots" as you describe them probably would have purchased, extending the warranty to 2-3 years. This covers everything. Also, these idiots, if they have a question with a program or how to get their new ipod to work with their macbook, can just take it all to the store and someone will talk them through it nice and slow.

When someone asks me if my Nexus is the same as an iPhone I ask them "is a Mustang the same thing as a Camaro?" They are the same class of car (or phone) but are different brands and do things a little differently then one another.

I called them average joe and jen sixpack. Never called them idiots. Please, show me the error of my way and aide me on the road to recovery by quoting where I said they are idiots.
Apple is a small niche computer company. Their mobile/mp3 side is what is profitible. Honestly, they would have been bankrupt in the 90s if they had not given all those computers to schools in the 80s. Great strategy.
As for computers breaking, generally most break in the first month or so after they have a true burn-in or else they last for a long time. The year replacement thing is nice, but not really a selling point to me... Hell, even BB does this.
muyoso said:
Also, these idiots, if they have a question with a program or how to get their new ipod to work with their macbook, can just take it all to the store and someone will talk them through it nice and slow.
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So after you rant a bit on me for calling them idiots, you go and do it... and then say the apple dude will talk them through it... nice and slow... like what? Morons? lol

muyoso said:
LOL. I dont understand the animosity towards Apple. They have created an amazing ecosystem around their mobile offerings. They make EXTREMELY high quality hardware throughout their entire lineup, to the point where no other OEM comes even close to matching them. They demand a premium for their products in more cases (somehow the Xoom is the one demanding the premium now), because of the quality of their devices and their software.
As for your "rage" comment, i doubt it. Apple offers a one year warranty on their macbook where you can walk into the Apple store and hand it to them and they will either fix it on the spot or send it to be repaired. No other OEM does it this hassle free. Also they sell Applecare which most "idiots" as you describe them probably would have purchased, extending the warranty to 2-3 years. This covers everything. Also, these idiots, if they have a question with a program or how to get their new ipod to work with their macbook, can just take it all to the store and someone will talk them through it nice and slow.
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My good sir,
You are right, please allow me to rephrase this. Does Apple market to the ignorant population? Defined in this way:
Ignorant: unaware because of a lack of relevant information or knowledge; "he was completely ignorant of the circumstances"
Which really i know is a sold answer. But my points being that they market to the people that are unaware that buying from them, because they are stupid proof products, is allowingApple to do whatever they want. I don't have a problem with their products or most of their bussinesss strategy, but more and more they are straight starting to piss me off. And what bothers me are these idiots walking around acting like everything's not changing in big company's favor. You think Apple has created an amazing ecosystem cause you can turn on your iPhone and get your movies and your music and whatever. But they are destroying the ecosystem that should be between apple and the developers using their system. They are greedy, and the ignorant people they are generating all all this bull**** to go on.
I am not here to offend apple buyers, I have a jsilbroken iPhone and its awesome.
I am here however to discuss the fact that Apple is creating a land full of people that are introduced to idiot proof technology and banks off them.

listen; if you don't own one, Don't knock it

Post reposed. I.d.k. why.

justabrake said:
listen; if you don't own one, Don't knock it
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I do own several Apple products, which is what helped me draw my concluson.

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When someone asks me if my Nexus is the same as an iPhone I ask them "is a Mustang the same thing as a Camaro?" They are the same class of car (or phone) but are different brands and do things a little differently then one another.
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Wait, I don't get it. The answer is yes, they are both dumpy American made "sports" cars.
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Bukem75 said:
I called them average joe and jen sixpack. Never called them idiots. Please, show me the error of my way and aide me on the road to recovery by quoting where I said they are idiots.
Apple is a small niche computer company. Their mobile/mp3 side is what is profitible. Honestly, they would have been bankrupt in the 90s if they had not given all those computers to schools in the 80s. Great strategy.
As for computers breaking, generally most break in the first month or so after they have a true burn-in or else they last for a long time. The year replacement thing is nice, but not really a selling point to me... Hell, even BB does this.
So after you rant a bit on me for calling them idiots, you go and do it... and then say the apple dude will talk them through it... nice and slow... like what? Morons? lol
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Oh, I'm sorry, you called them "moron trash" and not "idiots".

muyoso said:
Oh, I'm sorry, you called them "moron trash" and not "idiots".
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Where'd you get the word trash from? Come on now.

RadDudeTommy said:
My good sir,
You are right, please allow me to rephrase this. Does Apple market to the ignorant population? Defined in this way:
Ignorant: unaware because of a lack of relevant information or knowledge; "he was completely ignorant of the circumstances"
Which really i know is a sold answer. But my points being that they market to the people that are unaware that buying from them, because they are stupid proof products, is allowingApple to do whatever they want. I don't have a problem with their products or most of their bussinesss strategy, but more and more they are straight starting to piss me off. And what bothers me are these idiots walking around acting like everything's not changing in big company's favor. You think Apple has created an amazing ecosystem cause you can turn on your iPhone and get your movies and your music and whatever. But they are destroying the ecosystem that should be between apple and the developers using their system. They are greedy, and the ignorant people they are generating all all this bull**** to go on.
I am not here to offend apple buyers, I have a jsilbroken iPhone and its awesome.
I am here however to discuss the fact that Apple is creating a land full of people that are introduced to idiot proof technology and banks off them.
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People are willing to trade a lack of choice and openness for an ecosystem that just works and is really nearly flawlessly executed. They are willing to give up being able to flash roms for a device that has a couple thousand quality games, the ability to buy music from itunes, rent movies from itunes, watch netflix and have every app under the sun made for them first. If Apple oversteps their bounds, like they seem to be doing with the 30% subscription thing, people will abandon their platform. Until they do that, frankly they simply have the better ecosystem/devices until Android can make up some of that functionality differential.

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Where'd you get the word trash from? Come on now.
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can you read your post? This is the post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11869842&postcount=6
Brains are beling replaced by 'idiot-proof' devices... Watch a classic movie for a glimpse into our future if isheep and moron trash keep having babies: Idiocracy
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I made it big for you to see and i bolded it and made it red.

muyoso said:
Oh, I'm sorry, you called them "moron trash" and not "idiots".
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Watch a classic movie for a glimpse into our future if isheep and moron trash keep having babies: Idiocracy
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Two totally separate groups of people. 1: isheep & 2: moron trash. I am guessing you have not watched the movie Idiocracy. Have a laugh. It's great.
Feel free to correct yourself again.
Once more for dramatic effect:
He's a Mac
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HE is moron trash:

i dont ssee why tthis had to get so fueled. I originally started with, does apple market to idiots? If you take a close look at that question, it does not insinuate that Apple is an idiot or that people that buy Apple is an idiot. It is a question towards their marketing and strategy.
Also no oone in this thread was offending any specific body of people.
Then here you come and just stir up a debate that was not there.

Steve Jobs Resigns as Apple CEO

Wow, big announcement.
http://allthingsd.com/20110824/steve-jobs-resigns-as-ceo-of-apple/#bXpulseX
And the reaction in the stock market:
Apple Stock Falls After Steve Jobs Announces Departure
http://allthingsd.com/20110824/apple-stock-falls-after-jobs-announcement/#bXpulseX
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Hope he is not too bad off. Maybe the apple was poisoned
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armychris28210 said:
Hope he is not too bad off. Maybe the apple was poisoned
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lol
ill health though - bad times.

Cannot really say that I came as a surprise, considering his health problems. I just find it interesting, that he is doing it so close to the new Iphone 5 release. I already read the first Android Fanboy "He is just afraid, cause the new Crapple cannot compete with Android" and all that ****. Fanboys, you have to hate them, on either side.

They have too many smart people at Apple to fail. He'll still be affiliated with Apple so it's not that serious.

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They have too many smart people at Apple to fail. He'll still be affiliated with Apple so it's not that serious.
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I agree but it only takes one moron as a leasder to screw it up. I'm not saying Tim Cook will.
I am also surprised he made this move so close to the iPhone 5 launch he must be in much worse shape then he has let on.
I don't wish anything bad on anyone so lets hope he doesn't deteriorate any further.
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If Jobs were to leave--and with his health, it's when, not if--then this is the perfect time. He is at the peak of his success, and it's best to go out when you're on top.
It's good for the company as well. The iPhone5 will likely be another success, as will the eventual iPad3. These allow Cook to have an easy break-in period, not that he needs any. Impact on investor sentiment (company valuation) will be minimal.
Conceptually, I think Jobs has done all he can for Apple, even assuming he has another 5 years left in him. He has pioneered mobile computing, first with the iPhone, then with the iPad. These markets will take time to refine and mature, eg integration of desktop + mobile computing, and the next conceptual "big hit" won't be along for a while. For now, what's needed is execution, and Cook has been the operations guy for most of Jobs' second tenure. Apple can't do better even if Jobs were still in charge. And he still is, sort of. He's the chairman.
Apple won't be as dominant in mobile as it is today. The competition are getting better, and they have nowhere to go but up. Android already has more share in smartphones, and its open-source nature means adoption rate can only increase.
On tablets, price competition will drive non-iPad share. We saw an (extreme) example with the TouchPad fire sale. I see Android tabs selling well at the magic $300 mark. And unless Microsoft lays an egg with Win8, it'll still be the default upgrade path for the vast majority of the computing world as mobile becomes an extension of the desktop. I subscribe to that vision, that mobile devices can be as productive as desktops, not just for consuming media.

Many say that Cook is going to have an easy time to start off as Apple is at its peak right now....however, there is an important paradigm shift in Apple where they're trying to move iTunes to the cloud.
This is a tremendously difficult job and I thought Apple should have started on it long ago...now they are way behind Google in this aspect. And I don't see what they're proposing to be better than what Google is already offering to its user base.
Apple is going to have a tough time fighting back Android in the smart phone space if they don't do cloud right.

I'm no Apple FanBoy but Steve Jobs made Apple what it is today. I remember him dragging Apple out of the trash not too long ago. The man was genius.

And all of this is related to Xoom how?

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And all of this is related to Xoom how?
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It's the general discussion forum, its major Tech related news, and its something to talk about?
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>however, there is an important paradigm shift in Apple where they're trying to move iTunes to the cloud.
Jobs' forte is in the physical product. His execution of online services was less than stellar, to wit, the defunct Mac.com and now MobileMe.com. His heavy-handed dealings with the various content owners only succeeded by dint of the success of Apple's hardware products. He's not a good negotiator--an "i" guy, not a "we" guy (excuse the pun).
The more pertinent question is how much of Apple's mystique is tied to Jobs' personality. Cook isn't a charismatic guy, nor is he a salesman. Then again, it's not like Jobs is dead. He's still around to rally the troops if needed.
For the near term, the way forward for Apple is clear: broadening its mobile product lines to compete in lower-priced tiers. Rumors of a cheaper iPhone abound, and despite what Jobs said, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple intros different iPad sizes (or integrate the iPod Touch into the iPad family) next year.
Plenty of opportunities for the Mac lines as well. MS is doing a crash course with Win8 into mobile because it has to, but Apple is going the same route. Lion has already taken the first step to integration with iOS.
>And all of this is related to Xoom how?
Relax, it's a worthwhile topic. It's not like this forum is overflowing with discussions that it can't handle a few extraneous threads.

without iPhone/iPad would we even have this discussion in the Xoom forum?
Some say the iWhatever really started the massive push into smartphones... and thus Android as something to compete on the same level

Lothaen said:
without iPhone/iPad would we even have this discussion in the Xoom forum?
Some say the iWhatever really started the massive push into smartphones... and thus Android as something to compete on the same level
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PalmOS and Blackberry (more Blackberry than Palm) started the massive push into smartphones. Even a year after the iPhone came out, I still heard "hit me up on BBM" more than "check out my iPhone" (that being the idiom of owning an iPhone at the time). I still hear people say "hit me up on BBM" and most of the active duty desk jockeys in the military are issued Blackberries. I know more people who own them than iPhones. So I refuse to give Apple credit for making smartphones popular. They were already popular, Apple just did it differently and they were given way too much credit for it.
I will give the evolution of tablets to Apple all day and night. The best we had in that area were a couple of failed projects from Microsoft about a decade ago and the dead technology known as "PDA". Then the iPad came out and made people want to stop sucking at making them. Had the iPad not been so ridiculously good and popular, the motivation to compete with it would never have existed and we would not have a Xoom.
So no, if Apple hadn't made the iPad, we would not be having this discussion on these Xoom forums and thus, the guy who made tablets popular stepping down from his chair on top of Apple land actually does matter to the Xoom. Logic FTW.
Personally, I'm happy that Steve Jobs is stepping down. I'm hoping that since his vehemence and enthusiasm toward selling the product is leaving the offices that Apple will cool down all these lawsuits. Perhaps attempt to compete more instead of "sue the guys doing better". Even if Android has overtaken iOS as the most used mobile OS, remember that Blackberry took it like a man when Apple did it to them.
Hope he gets better though. Even though I don't like the guy or his product whatsoever, wishing ill of people is just wrong.

Apple is going to rape Job's baby! They will put flash on all of their products!
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AbsolutZeroGI said:
PalmOS and Blackberry (more Blackberry than Palm) started the massive push into smartphones. Even a year after the iPhone came out, I still heard "hit me up on BBM" more than "check out my iPhone" (that being the idiom of owning an iPhone at the time). I still hear people say "hit me up on BBM" and most of the active duty desk jockeys in the military are issued Blackberries. I know more people who own them than iPhones. So I refuse to give Apple credit for making smartphones popular. They were already popular, Apple just did it differently and they were given way too much credit for it.
I will give the evolution of tablets to Apple all day and night. The best we had in that area were a couple of failed projects from Microsoft about a decade ago and the dead technology known as "PDA". Then the iPad came out and made people want to stop sucking at making them. Had the iPad not been so ridiculously good and popular, the motivation to compete with it would never have existed and we would not have a Xoom.
So no, if Apple hadn't made the iPad, we would not be having this discussion on these Xoom forums and thus, the guy who made tablets popular stepping down from his chair on top of Apple land actually does matter to the Xoom. Logic FTW.
Personally, I'm happy that Steve Jobs is stepping down. I'm hoping that since his vehemence and enthusiasm toward selling the product is leaving the offices that Apple will cool down all these lawsuits. Perhaps attempt to compete more instead of "sue the guys doing better". Even if Android has overtaken iOS as the most used mobile OS, remember that Blackberry took it like a man when Apple did it to them.
Hope he gets better though. Even though I don't like the guy or his product whatsoever, wishing ill of people is just wrong.
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Dude! Nice logical thinking! I have never liked Apple myself and never will. I'm Windows, not Mac... and I'm Android, not iOS. I do agree that Apple should not get any credit for "creating" the smartphone, if you will. The Blackberry name and RIM has been around for what... 10+ years now? I do believe that RIM is the winner there, not Apple. Blackberries were always on a higher tech level versus the basic phones or the later flip phones of their time before the iPhone came out. Why? Because a Blackberry is a business related phone that needs to do more than a basic phone, thus making it smarter than the average phone. Aha! A smartphone you say? Indeed!
You mentioned lawsuits... who remembers Apple suing the crap out of Microsoft in the 80's? Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were in a major war at the time for the big computer OS. Apple cried a lot and sued Microsoft a whole lot because they said that Windows was a Mac ripoff and that they had stolen everything that they had ever created... you know, normal Apple drama. Just look at Apple's roots... rotten to the core since the 1980's.
But, seriously... Apple has been this way since the dawn of time, and they will not ever change as long as Steve Jobs is still affiliated with the company name in some way, shape, or form. So, you can expect Apple to continue suing other companies because they think that they were the original company to create the cell phone, even though the cell phone has been around for how many years now? In reality, that's pretty much what they are stating as fact when it comes down to it. They say: Before the iPhone, there were no phones. How funny is that?
An interesting fact: "The first hand-held mobile phone was demonstrated by Dr. Martin Cooper of Motorola in 1973." He is the real mobile phone inventor. Thank him for the cell phone revolution, not Apple! Without him, we would not have any kind of cell phone to use at all. Think about that one while you sleep. A world without the cell phone. ^^
Oh yeah... I may not like Apple or Steve Jobs in the least bit, but you are correct when you say that you should not wish ill of one. That really is just wrong if a person were to do something like that.

Can't we all just agree that Al Gore invented the internet and move on?

diablo2224 said:
An interesting fact: "The first hand-held mobile phone was demonstrated by Dr. Martin Cooper of Motorola in 1973." He is the real mobile phone inventor. Thank him for the cell phone revolution, not Apple! Without him, we would not have any kind of cell phone to use at all. Think about that one while you sleep. A world without the cell phone. ^^
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[OFFTOPIC] Cheers to Steve Jobs

I know, wrong forum. I'll get no sympathizers here.....regardless, I toast Steve Jobs and his amazing accomplishments in this industry.
As much as I love Android, and wouldn't go back after 3 years of IPhoneness for most of the same reasons/frustrations most of you wouldn't, I don't subscribe to the
I hate Jobs/Apple, type childishness.
Credit where credits due.
Control freak or not, he's THE pioneer in developing an elegant OS that still hasn't been matched, and pushing this technology to the masses..
Cheers Steve. Good luck.
This is of course going to be objected to with venomous fervor....specially since our Samsungs presently under 'attack' lol. Could care less.
Won't be responding.
Just wanted to get this out there.

Agreed, like it or not, he was one of the visionaries that made all of this possible, cheers!

he is not CEO anymore of Apple
Agreed he was the one

Don't really have a problem with Jobs, but I don't think there's anything wrong with those that 'hate' apple or Jobs. Not childish at all to be put off by someone/company/something.
Of coursee, all to a certain extent.
A lot of things that a company does can put off a lot of people, and that's certainly valid, and most certainly not "childish" as you put it.
Granted a lot of people on the internet are childish. Still doesn't invalidate other people's opinions.

Yeah cheers alright... Thank God for Steve and his hate for Flash. Otherwise I'd probably be using an iCrap instead of my S2!

Darth Wader is gone but the Empire is still there.

Except he has good jobs about fonts, none other... That I appriciate. He sucked people for devices that does not worth half for YEARS, just with false advertising and such. It is same with very early macs till today. Yeah it is business but hey, you can't go to otherside with money you know...
And about your Elegant OS, http://www.neowin.net/news/os-x-lion-fails-to-check-passwords-if-authenticating-via-ldap (and again, back to false advertising about elegancy and being cool and all)
Sorry but I hated him since Amiga vs. Mac days, so he can go to hell, see if I care...

Steve Jobs will always be remembered for taking a company from the brink of bankruptcy to one of the most powerful in the world. The iPod and iPhone have forever changed the landscape for media and mobile devices. If it wasn't for him/Apple I'd probably still be using a crackberry. While it's not been explicitly stated, it's a shame that health issues have forced him to step away.

Time to hang up the polo neck (turtle neck to some)
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You gotta admire the halo effect that the Apple marketing team created with regards to Apple products
Cheers Steve

Cheers to Steve Jobs for bringing revolutionary ideas and products to the world i have had all the iphones and loved them all! Thanks and Cheers Mr. Jobs
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No matter what anyone says, the truth is if there were no iPhone, there would be no Android. We'd probably still be using XDA's with resistive screen and stylus.
So a big thank you to Steve Jobs for being a trail blazer. I wish him all the happiness in the world in his retirement.

I totally agree with the OP. As much as we fight with Apple products, they're still good products regardless and Steve Jobs started it all off with the iPod then progressed to the likes of an iPad. He's only stepping down and he's acting as a Chairman now. It must be difficult to be a CEO of one of the richest companies out there.

aydc said:
No matter what anyone says, the truth is if there were no iPhone, there would be no Android. We'd probably still be using XDA's with resistive screen and stylus.
So a big thank you to Steve Jobs for being a trail blazer. I wish him all the happiness in the world in his retirement.
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Well it should matter what people say because you're badly informed, Android started in 2003, and was bought by google in 2005, the iphone was first displayed in jan 2007
First capacitative screen was the lg prada
I remember having the Nokia N95 when the very first iphone came out.. it had a 5mp camera, int camera for videocalls, supported wifi streaming of music/vids etc.. apple only had these features with the iphone4 in 2010! (any my nokia supported flash!)
Jobs may be prolific, and he certainly has left his mark on the tech world, but the real geniuses at apple are the guys in marketing who make an ordinary product (which is lagging the latest tech in many aspects) seem extraordinary

Jobs is an ass, anyone who knows anything about Apples history knows this. It always irritates me when people hate on Bill Gates so much when he runs the world s largest charitable organization (The Gates Foundation) and has pledged (via the Giving Pledge) to give away the majority of his personal wealth, along with a number of other high profile Billionaires. Has Jobs? Has he hell, hes more interested in getting more money for his crappy devices and stealing IP. Even Baron Hilton is on the Giving Pledge list!

All my respect!

Apple and Job did nothing new, they merely took existing technologies and concepts, as viva.fidel described, and made them better. Can't knock Apple for that, they did a good job, but it's a bit rich them trying to sue others for copying their ideas...

Without Mr. Jobs, 90 % of the industry will be the same Nokia industry for much more years, all we have now is thanks to mr Jobs. Thanks for pushing to the limit all the other companies.

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Well it should matter what people say because you're badly informed, Android started in 2003, and was bought by google in 2005, the iphone was first displayed in jan 2007
First capacitative screen was the lg prada
I remember having the Nokia N95 when the very first iphone came out.. it had a 5mp camera, int camera for videocalls, supported wifi streaming of music/vids etc.. apple only had these features with the iphone4 in 2010! (any my nokia supported flash!)
Jobs may be prolific, and he certainly has left his mark on the tech world, but the real geniuses at apple are the guys in marketing who make an ordinary product (which is lagging the latest tech in many aspects) seem extraordinary
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Let's get some fact straights. The first Android device, the HTC G1, was released October 22, 2008. So for those doing the math that's a year after the first iPhone was released and several months after the 2nd gen iPhone. Those Google guys were real trailblazers
I do agree though that back in the day Nokia made some great devices. I remember when the E71 came out. Unfortunately, Nokia like Blackberry are heading into the toilet. We all chose the Android platform for different reasons but because of the iPhone Android was forced to step up their game in order to stay competitive.

As a person, I feel for him for his health, and wish him all the best.
As for apple and all their innovations, they simply take "Water" and re-brand it "I-Clear" and everyone buys it.
He is a magician for selling water to fishes, but at the end of the day, they simply take failing fads such as video calling, re-branding it Face Time and sheep buy into it. Very clever.
The new voice control software rumoured to be in the next Iphone, will probably be called Voice Time, and suddenly everyone will be out and about shouting at their phones to "Call John!! Call John!!" and then followed by "I said Call John! Not call Joan!!". Still people will say Apple invented it, and that it's great.
As for Mac's and Mac OS, Ugly, slow software. Sure it might not crash.. apparently, but still hate it.
Anyway as I said, he is a very clever man for pulling wool over people's eyes, so I say get well soon!