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wth!!! that is retarded!!
How can the government even grant most of these patents? You invent the wheel, sure it makes life MUCH simpler for everyone, you deserve a patent. You start using latex instead of sheep skins for condom production - bravo - grant a patent. On the other hand, all these iPhone patents do is stifle innovation and overload the legal system. Plus, most of these "patents" are so vague that they're virtually guaranteed to have precedent by someone other than Apple patent holders. Really hope Google steps into this frey and not only helps HTC to squash Apple's claims, but also publically lay into the patent office for granting these things in the first place.
Good god almighty, those are ****ing stupid patents to grant.
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How can the government even grant most of these patents? You invent the wheel, sure it makes life MUCH simpler for everyone, you deserve a patent. You start using latex instead of sheep skins for condom production - bravo - grant a patent. On the other hand, all these iPhone patents do is stifle innovation and overload the legal system. Plus, most of these "patents" are so vague that they're virtually guaranteed to have precedent by someone other than Apple patent holders. Really hope Google steps into this frey and not only helps HTC to squash Apple's claims, but also publically lay into the patent office for granting these things in the first place.
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Exactly. I hope this goes toward deconstructing the patent system and exposing for what it truly is--not a protection for intellectual property, but a tool for naked corporate greed.
Steve Jobs is a big fat ****....
He's going after android. Check this http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/...lawsuit?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget
Steve Jobs is an idiot. He cant handle any competition, he knows his device is inferior and cant handle that. He is shaking in his boots right now with the rapid growth of android. I really hope Google/HTC give him a big F you and put him in his place.
What's the point of this poll?
Who the heck in this forum is going to vote Yes?
No one will, except of course for DMaverick and pr0cl1v1ty.
Am I the only thinking that this would be the perfect time for google to start showing Ads on TV with the theme of look what our device can do that the iphone cant?
I would pay good money to see the look on Steve Jobs face the first time he sees this.
HTC should sue Apple for being stupid.
Software patents need to go, but how much you wanna bet that this is about Apple pre-emptively suing HTC before HTC sue *them*? I bet this is a face-saving measure. They'll cross-license and that will be the end of it.
I do agree that Apple has at least something to hold against HTC *cough* Android *cough* what comes to the patent infringements. In addition I also think that this is some laughable and needless muscle flexing on Apple's part and to think that it wouldn't be regarded as a proxy attack at Android and Google is just preposterous.
Come whatever may since this is going to get really ugly but I think Apple is not going to be the one coming out on top.
What an easy way to get money by licensing the patents...see what Nokia is doing on Apple...so now even Apple settles a deal with Nokia Apple may not need to get a penny out from its pocket...
Steve Jobs will talk **** about Android but he's too scared to sue Google so he sues HTC..haha thats a good one Steve, how about you go back into hiding
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HTC should sue Apple for being stupid.
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Better yet, HTC should pull out the big guns (Microsoft) to sue them
Checkers or Chess?
Not cool Apple....especially since you stole from xerox etc(oh and Steve spoke of blatantly stealing from others)....but if you want to get to the root of it all Apple feels extremely threatened by Google/Android....Google is all about innovation and in Androids infant stages they blew Google off. Remember how much Apple used google maps to sell the iPhone when it was 1st introduced(the irony)....Now Android is growing up and its more of a competitor. But if you go against one you have to go against all of the companies with custom versions of Android in one way or another....I think the company that everyone keeps forgetting about is Palm...They were the catalysts for the mobile OS's we love today....The only reason HTC is in the crossfire is because of the Sense UI. But if you attack Sense UI, then you must attack Blur, Rachael, Dell's custom UI, and TouchWiz....(Thats HTC, Motorola, Sony Ericcson, Dell and Samsung) So instead of Apple focusing on bringing innovative products and services it chooses to contend with Google in a very risky game of chess. I personally feel many of Apple's policies slow innovation and impede competition.(app store**cough**) Apple I hope you get taught a humbling lesson.
If you read the breakdown of all the patents that they claim have been infringed upon, you can easily see that these would not only apply to Android, but a large variety of desktop operating systems and mobile oses as well.
engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-vs-htc-a-patent-breakdown/
I am sorry but what apple is doing with their iphone and mobile OS platform is just not good for growth long term; i will however give them the benefit of the doubt as far as short term growth but long term they are only hurting themselves unless they really can get the government to uphold all these patents...
personally i think these patents are so pathetic and i do not think the government had any clue what they were patenting when they actually allowed apple to get the patents that they did... the government nor did anyone else have any clue what the mobile world would like like it does now, 3 years ago when those patents were first granted... i mean, can you imagine the money the guy who patented urinal cakes makes if he invented and patented those things right after urinals were invented? some technology is better left unprotected by uncle same for the good of advancement... how the hell can you have a patent on a screen that registers multiple touches to it? that is the most unorthodox thing i think i have ever heard in my life... apple put out a great product, no doubt but they are going about every wrong direction in keeping their product and legacy alive... continue to innovate rather than play defense behind lawyers... i would rather buy from a continuously innovative company that promotes the growth of their products rather than a company who puts out 1 good product and then attacks everyone else to keep their product at the top, and thats just a matter of respect for a business...
I will admit, when the iphone first came out, that was the gadget to have and it was hands down the best phone and to some extent still is... apple has controlled every aspect of the phones growth and has more/less been very opposing to the group of jailbreakers and iphone hackers that have tried to bring 3rd party software to the phones (remember those updates that bricked a lot of peoples phones?). But with that said there comes a time where a company needs to let go, they did great at getting the phone, and to a certain extent, the entire mobile market really moving but after awhile they need to let things go and realize that they have already created a legacy and the users need to take the phone and platform the direction they want to go.
Simplicity is the key to get something started, complexity is the key to keep that same thing interesting...
Apple's only biting because HTC (with Google) are producing sales stealing devices. As far as I am aware, this is the first time Apple has filed patent breaches without first negotiating with the infringing party.
In legal circles, this is truely the response from a very immature, emotional, foot stomping little boy.
GO HTC!! GO Android!! GO you good thing!!
Honestly, I voted that I do agree with some of the patents that they had been granted, not all. Maybe through this mess we'll see some great innovation; interfaces that we've never considered before, alterations to common ideals of the way our phones operate. Google has brought us a good thing. From the perspective of apple, it would be intelligent to stop the source (htc), if there were infringing content being distributed (to be decided I guess). Google provides the best mobile OS available, HTC distributes it. It will end well for the consumer though, I promise.
"We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
- Steve Jobs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU
What a f-tard.
From what I can gather, the claims at its core appear to be about android and wm. I would like to see Google and Microsoft join forces on this one and get behind HTC.
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Just saw this headline. I'm guessing it'll be multitouch related. Or maybe uni-body construction on the Legend? In any case, looks like it'll get ugly (especially if Google gets involved), though hopefully in the end some of their overly broad and generic patents will get invalidated.
Apple Goes After HTC In Lawsuit Over 20 iPhone Patents
http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/02/apple-goes-after-htc-in-lawsuit-over-20-iphone-patents/
That whole company is a bunch of f*cking scumbags
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That whole company is a bunch of f*cking scumbags
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Apple getting a lil worried are we?
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That whole company is a bunch of f*cking scumbags
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Steve Jobs is a f'ing genius!
I am sure some of you will remember back when apple was trading for a 1.50 a share!
F'ing genius I tell ya!
Android gains some ground and this is how the fight competitors?
Roman G said:
Steve Jobs is a f'ing genius!
I am sure some of you will remember back when apple was trading for a 1.50 a share!
F'ing genius I tell ya!
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He might be a genious but he's a scumbag and so is every one of his employees. I for one am sick of hearing about this company. They make crap products at way over the top prices. The iPhone revelotionized phones but if u think abut it, its 5 year old technology making it seem like its new. Its ridiculous, its an idiots phone.
I am curious to see if HTC is going to file a counter suit similar to Nokia's, Apple is a newcomer when it comes to cell phones. I am quite sure that HTC has plenty of patents that could be interpreted as being infringed upon by Apple.
I am just happy that these companies are helping to support lawyers during this slow economic time.
Of course, Why actually build a product that educated people can use? Apple wants drones of morons to use their products. Best way to steal HTC and Googles market share back? Offer a product we don't want and eliminate the chance of someone else competeing with a better product. Then we are forced into an Apple way of life. Locked in to no extendable memory, unreplaceable batteries, and no usable file structure.
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He might be a genious but he's a scumbag and so is every one of his employees. I for one am sick of hearing about this company. They make crap products at way over the top prices. The iPhone revelotionized phones but if u think abut it, its 5 year old technology making it seem like its new. Its ridiculous, its an idiots phone.
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I agree partly. I think Jobs should quit being a greedy ***** and be happy in being a leader and innovator of a piece of history. I guess the family of Henry Ford should start suing all of the other current car makers for producing a mobile vehicle with an engine, and then while he is at it he can sue everyone that uses a production line. Maybe the Wright brothers should sue all plane makers. I mean come on, move on and make something even more innovative Jobs if youre such a "genius"!
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...though hopefully in the end some of their overly broad and generic patents will get invalidated.
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Sorry, but this is the whole point of writing patents. Make it as broad and generic as possible so you have a stronghold over your IP. You make more money that way ...
Its probably multi-touch related, which is what Apple's gone after everyone else for. They'll settle, and HTC will license Apple's patent and go about their business.
I'm kind of curious to see if this pushes back the date of us getting 2.1 for our phones honestly. Also gizmodo has the list of patents that there going after. http://gizmodo.com/5483632/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-on-20-iphone-patents
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I agree partly. I think Jobs should quit being a greedy ***** and be happy in being a leader and innovator of a piece of history. I guess the family of Henry Ford should start suing all of the other current car makers for producing a mobile vehicle with an engine, and then while he is at it he can sue everyone that uses a production line. Maybe the Wright brothers should sue all plane makers. I mean come on, move on and make something even more innovative Jobs if youre such a "genius"!
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Now that I do agree with!
It amazes me that apple technology was so far ahead of the game that it has taken other companys this long to catch up with them! They are so used to being at the top when someone else comes along they get scared, and yes i would agree that it is greed, but they would not be where they are without said greed!
And no I am not an apple fanboy, I don't even own an apple product! I just have lots of respect for guys like Steve Jobs, and Bill Gates, they are innovators and do what needs to be done to stay that way! Anyone that can take a company like apple and turn it around like Steve Jobs is a stud in my book!
Gizmodo has the full list of infringement
gizmodo.com/5483632/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-on-20-iphone-patents
None of the infringements are related to multitouch. I don't think apple even owns that patent, multitouch wasn't invented by them.
This law suit is just full of ****. "Swiping to unlock the screen?" basically all touchscreen phones have that feature now.
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Gizmodo has the full list of infringement
gizmodo.com/5483632/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-on-20-iphone-patents
None of the infringements are related to multitouch. I don't think apple even owns that patent, multitouch wasn't invented by them.
This law suit is just full of ****. "Swiping to unlock the screen?" basically all touchscreen phones have that feature now.
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And what about all of the devs that have created swipe to unlock software? Is he gonna nitpick at them too? "Come here humble dev, let me smack your hand for taking our idea and making it better!"
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Microsoft says Android infringes on its patents, licenses HTC (update: talking to other Android manufacturers as well)
By Vladislav Savov posted Apr 28th 2010 at 12:40PM
The lawyers up in Redmond seem to have been woken from their slumber with the sudden realization that -- oh look! -- Google's Android OS infringes on Microsoft's boatload of software patents. How specifically it does so is not identified, but Microsoft believes that elements from both the user interface and the underlying operating system are in violation of its rights. This is very much in keeping with the Windows maker's crusade to assert patent claims over Linux, which in the past has garnished it with cross-licensing deals with Amazon and Xandros, as well as a settlement from TomTom. Lawsuits are not yet being discussed here, but lest you think this is a small-time disturbance, longtime Windows Mobile / Windows Phone partner HTC has already decided to shorten its list of troubles by ponying up for a license from Microsoft that covers its Android phones -- it would be pretty insane if Microsoft sued one of its biggest and most important hardware manufacturers for patent infringement, after all. Even still, it's now an unfortunate fact that HTC is having to pay Microsoft royalties to use Google's operating system. Strange days, indeed.
Update: Microsoft deputy general counsel of intellectual property Horacio Gutierrez just sent us a statement saying that the company's been "talking to several device manufacturers to address our concerns relative to the Android mobile platform." We're taking that to mean the same as above: Microsoft isn't too interested in suing any of its Windows Mobile / Windows Phone partners, so it's trying to work out patent license deals with those companies in advance of any nastiness. It's an interesting strategy: patents forbid anyone from making, using, or selling your invention, so Redmond can protect its partners while still leaving open the possibility of a lawsuit with Google itself down the line. In fact, we'd almost say it seems like Microsoft's agreement with HTC is as much of a threat to Google as Apple's lawsuit -- Redmond's basically saying you can't sell an Android device without paying a license fee, and we'd bet those fees are real close to the Windows Phone 7 license fee. Clever, clever -- we'll see how this one plays out. Here's Horacio's full statement:
Microsoft has a decades-long record of investment in software platforms. As a result, we have built a significant patent portfolio in this field, and we have a responsibility to our customers, partners, and shareholders to ensure that competitors do not free ride on our innovations. We have also consistently taken a proactive approach to licensing to resolve IP infringement by other companies, and have been talking with several device manufacturers to address our concerns relative to the Android mobile platform.
Via Engadget. -----> http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/28/microsoft-says-android-infringes-on-its-patents-licenses-htc/
Seems like interesting times ahead.
It doesn't matter, HTC cooperated nicely with Microsoft. Microsoft brokered a deal licensing their technology to HTC. Engadget (I read this on Phandroid) also states though, in another article, that this could raise the price of Android phones.
m.gizmodo.com/site?t=NhIoa9.xgxKeRWKcnVfXQw&sid=gizmodo
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this could raise the price of Android phones.
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Wonderful (sarcasm).. if this did happen, I hope it happens later in the summer..
I would be curious to know if htc was aware that this was coming before they took a pass on Palm? The deal with Microsoft didnt happen overnight but certainly if they knew it was coming that juicy patent portfolio palm is sitting on would have been more enticing. That ship has now sailed with the HP aquisition announced today so its just an odd tidbit to speculate about at this point I guess.
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I would be curious to know if htc was aware that this was coming before they took a pass on Palm? The deal with Microsoft didnt happen overnight but certainly if they knew it was coming that juicy patent portfolio palm is sitting on would have been more enticing. That ship has now sailed with the HP aquisition announced today so its just an odd tidbit to speculate about at this point I guess.
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Interesting thought for sure.
The HP deal is huge. WebOS is an amazing platform and now it has the financial backing it desperately needed. I'm mostly excited about WebOS's integration into the HP tablets. I might pick one up if they a good job with it.
Competition is definitely heating up with iPhone 4.0, HP WebOS, Blackberry 6.0 and Symbian 3! Hopefully Android will come out of top!
I hope they all do well, means more options for us.
Sick of these bloated American companies practising lawsuits and claims instead of making better products, don't be evil Microsoft!
And Just as I was typing this, my windows 7 suddenly started to shutdown as if it knew what I was typing... (restart after update reminder popped up, while typing... lol)
man, i'm so sick of everyone attacking Android. Just because it's awesome, innovative, open, and growing because everyone wants it the big companies can't do anything other than try to stall it's growth through litigation.
I'm fed up with all these stupid ass patent infringement cases. I wish the Gov't would step in and clean up how tech patents are granted.. That would allow for more innovation which is good for us (consumers) which are supposed to be what this is all about. Not protecting BIG CORPORATIONS and fattening their pockets.
The government doesnt step up and do anything because they are employees of the various huge companies whose contributions gave them the money to get elected, in other words they are owned by them. Big companies love these things because basically in the patent world you dont need to be right, you just need to have more money. Make no mistake, its not android they are attacking, its google. Everyone fears google, a company who is in a position to become the most powerful private entity that ever existed. This is how their search engine gets stripped out of phones, apple makes kissy face with microsoft, and on and on, you can see it everyhwere.
One last one, America does not have a monopoly on bloated greedy companies.
This debate reminds me of an article I read about the apple lawsuit a month or so ago.
The Ugly Nexus One:
http://www.maclife.com/article/news/ugly_nexus_one_if_apple_wins_patent_suits
I love the power crank.
Oddly enough, I read a theory someone postulated that Microsoft is doing this to, in some way, provide HTC some shielding from the Apple suit a la "No, we're infringing on THESE guys's patents, and we're paying them for it". Definitely an interesting theory, and it wouldn't make sense for Microsoft to deliberately try to harm their largest developer of Windows Phones. Only time will tell, I suppose...
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This debate reminds me of an article I read about the apple lawsuit a month or so ago.
The Ugly Nexus One:
http://www.maclife.com/article/news/ugly_nexus_one_if_apple_wins_patent_suits
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Funny thing is that's exactly what 2 of my home screens look like, random groupings of icons, with space for new widgets or apps.
I still can’t believe that you can patent software under US law. Its crazy. You can’t in Europe (well you can, but it has to be part of a patent for hardware).
Cases like this illustrate how stupid unproductive it is. How can one company be allowed claim an exclusive right to software doing something in a certain way…?
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I still can’t believe that you can patent software under US law. Its crazy. You can’t in Europe (well you can, but it has to be part of a patent for hardware).
Cases like this illustrate how stupid unproductive it is. How can one company be allowed claim an exclusive right to software doing something in a certain way…?
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My thoughts exactly
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Oddly enough, I read a theory someone postulated that Microsoft is doing this to, in some way, provide HTC some shielding from the Apple suit a la "No, we're infringing on THESE guys's patents, and we're paying them for it". Definitely an interesting theory, and it wouldn't make sense for Microsoft to deliberately try to harm their largest developer of Windows Phones. Only time will tell, I suppose...
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You know I posted that theory on engadget, and if that's the case then by all means good move HTC and way to go Microsoft. I would like to know the fee for said licensing though.
And better yet I would love to know if in fact Linux does infringe on Microsoft's patents. I've read that Microsoft has always went around to smaller companies using Linux and bullied them into paying license fees, but that one company stood up to them and Microsoft backed down. Because Microsoft hasnt ever made it public which code that Linux actually infringes and if is ever released then it will more than likely be yanked from Linux thereby Microsoft would have no way of making money off all these companies when it SHOULDN't be anyway.
I know this forum has a lot of talented guys that know OS's especially Microsoft and Linux. What's your guys take on this?
Another question a person might ask considering the kissy face microsoft has been making with apple lately is why did they not pursue licensing agreements with apple on some of that IP? MS has nearly 11000 active patents in its portfolio including a broad range of touch input patents. Here is an example..... cut and paste...
Multi-touch uses, gestures, and implementation with the following abstract:
A tablet PC having an interactive display, which is touchscreen enabled, may be enhanced to provide a user with superior usability and efficiency. A touchscreen device may be configured to receive multiple concurrent touchscreen contacts. The attributes of the multiple concurrent touchscreen contracts may be mapped to operations performed on the computing device. As a result, a user can trigger the execution of the toggle accessibility aid operation and the screen rotation operation with greater convenience. Moreover, the tablet PC may be configured to map an operation to a hand gesture or input.... end cut and paste.
The patent application filing date is May 12, 2006, or a few months before Apples famous multi touch patent application. So, a simple cost versus profit business decision or part of a grander strategy in light of this latest?
These patent infringements are stretching. They're trying to patent intuitive processes/gestures and not the actual technology. If it flies in court, it will be because the lawyers involved are too stupid to see the difference.
It's like establishing the first road by using the same path over and over, and then claiming to have patented the action of driving on a road and suing all other road builders. That's going to piss off mightily the guy who just spent time and money to develop asphalt, and rightfully so.
Steve Jobs, Bill Gates and his butt-boy Steve Ballmer need to unpucker their asses and shut the hell up.
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I still can’t believe that you can patent software under US law. Its crazy. You can’t in Europe (well you can, but it has to be part of a patent for hardware).
Cases like this illustrate how stupid unproductive it is. How can one company be allowed claim an exclusive right to software doing something in a certain way…?
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You're right.
It's because here in the US, lawyers and judges are by and large too stupid to understand any technology more complex than a toaster. There are exceptions, but they're vastly outnumbered. The worst part is, they seem to multiply like rabbits, they're all hungry and they'll take any idiotic argument they can to court for the off chance of a big payday.
I think actually the license agreement will be to use Microsoft's FAT/FAT32 file system that is on the SD card. FAT and FAT32 is a widely used file system but is microsoft property, is was ignored by microsoft for years and then they realised that they could make money from it, as cameras, photo frames, phones and linux has it.
So the reason there quiet about it is because if it's only the filesystem then no one can dismiss the linux violates the patents news story.
What exactly did Android do to piss Microsoft off ?
http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-features/54903-is-motorola-getting-ready-to-ditch-android
The article makes several key points:
"Android isn't turning out to be profitable for any company other than Google and even Google's numbers look less than reliable. There are 37 lawsuits on this platform since the beginning of 2010 many filed against companies like Motorola and complaints from the OEM on Google's responsiveness to their concerns are both common and strident," he explained.
"They are not happy and a review of all of this is what pushed HP to buy Palm and avoid Android all together
You have to consider why a company like Motorola would chose to support, or not support an OS - things may not be all that rosy for Google Experience Devices, in fact it sounds like companies like Motorola may actually resent Googles interference, and what they percieve as an inequitable distribution of profit (into Googles Pocket) on these devices.
Developing an operating system isn't something a company "just decides" to do. It takes years, then you have to get the hardware vendors to make systems for it, and the software guys to make software for it. HP already have an OS in WebOS; ditto RIM. Are they swimming in dev love right now?
>"Android isn't turning out to be profitable for any company other than Google"
Moto was near death after the Razr petered out, and was resuscitated back to life with the Droid series. Last I looked, its financials look a lot better than it was before its Android push. Ditto for HTC, which is now riding on a wave of cash. You can check on others.
Every for-profit company in the world is doing things to make...a profit. If it's not profitable, nobody would do it. Now, look at the rate of Android adoption for smartphones. Think all of those vendors are looking to lose money?
The trouble with holding Internet pundits as gospel is that they, like any for-profit entity, don't necessarily care about the facts as they do about sensationalizing them, even to the extent of spouting fibs. The more attention a blog post gets, the more hits, and the more ad revenue. Sad as it is to say, but truth and facts can be boring, and embellishment sells.
I think its all in the informations source. Wasn't there an article a month or two back that essentially discussed exactly how profitable Android is? Essentially calling it Google's most profitable venture ever for both themselves and their partners.
I think the proof is in handset shipments and growth. What is HTC's shipment growth over the past 2 years? Something in the neighborhood of 200%? and their projection is for a 300% increase over that this year? Those handset sales are driven primarily by Android. If they aren't making a profit on those handsets then they would have been unprofitable no matter what, because their prices wouldn't have changed. Whether it be Windows Mobile,Android or Brand Z their new handset is still going to be in the neighborhood of 599-650, so its their responsibility to make sure that price point is profitable for them. I don't see them being able to complain about slow growth since the sales growth and acceptance for the Android platform is pretty much meteoric.
I hardly see Motorola complaining about Android considering it and Verizon essentially saved them from becoming the next Nokia, a brand no one in America cares about. Are they hedging their bets? Possibly. Abandoning Android right now or in the foreseeable future though? I would say absolutely not.
Without Android, its pretty easy to say that Motorola and HTC would be in far worse financial shape than increasing their shipments and profits every quarter than they currently are. (Samsung not so much, they could have continued to be the OEM supplier for screens to HTC/Other brands who want to make phones) But in fact it was so profitable it encouraged Samsung to jump into the market themselves instead of just supplying parts. It gave those companies an instant way to compete with iOS.
Motorola announced today it sold 8.3 million handsets in the second quarter, earning the Mobile Devices division $1.7 billion in sales, and returning the unit to profitability after several quarters of losses. Over 2.7 million smartphones were part of Motorola’s overall handset sales, showing the vast growth in this segment, as the company reported zero smartphone sales in the same quarter in 2009. Although Motorola quarterly results don’t specifically name the biggest catalyst for such a change, it can be summarized in one word: Android.
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Thats from July of 2010. So from losses to profit, I can hardly see how that "wouldn't be turning out profitable" for them.
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Developing an operating system isn't something a company "just decides" to do. It takes years, then you have to get the hardware vendors to make systems for it, and the software guys to make software for it. HP already have an OS in WebOS; ditto RIM. Are they swimming in dev love right now?
>"Android isn't turning out to be profitable for any company other than Google"
Moto was near death after the Razr petered out, and was resuscitated back to life with the Droid series. Last I looked, its financials look a lot better than it was before its Android push. Ditto for HTC, which is now riding on a wave of cash. You can check on others.
Every for-profit company in the world is doing things to make...a profit. If it's not profitable, nobody would do it. Now, look at the rate of Android adoption for smartphones. Think all of those vendors are looking to lose money?
The trouble with holding Internet pundits as gospel is that they, like any for-profit entity, don't necessarily care about the facts as they do about sensationalizing them, even to the extent of spouting fibs. The more attention a blog post gets, the more hits, and the more ad revenue. Sad as it is to say, but truth and facts can be boring, and embellishment sells.
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You both make good points.
Thats when these boards work best. When people actually think through all the facets of a topic and don't just devolve into an Apple good/Android Bad rant.
However, in response to the comment: "Developing an operating system isn't something a company "just decides" to do. "
Certainly it is,
ANDROID is an operating system developed by a company called Google, that just "decided" to create an OS to compete with Apple.
That in turn was developed from an OS called Linux developed by Torvalds as an open source alternative to Windows.
Or take Windows Phone 7 - A company called Microsoft "Just decided to develop" and OS from the ground up to compete with Apple.
Problem isn't developing an OS, problem is marketing it and developing Apps.
Edit: I agree with you that that this is virtually impossible for Motorola. But I would have thought it impossible for HP too and yet, they had the creative insight to buy palm, and now they are doing it. Probably will crash and burn, but bottom line is: They DID abandon android.
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ANDROID is an operating system developed by a company called Google, that just "decided" to create an OS to compete with Apple.
Or take Windows Phone 7 - A company called Microsoft "Just decided to develop" and OS from the ground up to compete with Apple.
Problem isn't developing an OS, problem is marketing it and developing Apps.
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I hope you understand that there difference between software companies deciding to make software and hardware companies deciding to make software.
Microsoft and Google already had experience and infrastructure in place to create new software. Motorola will be starting with...nothing. That is why Palm was purchased by HP, they needed a leg up on software experience to make new software development practical.
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I hope you understand that there difference between software companies deciding to make software and hardware companies deciding to make software.
Microsoft and Google already had experience and infrastructure in place to create new software. Motorola will be starting with...nothing. That is why Palm was purchased by HP, they needed a leg up on software experience to make new software development practical.
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Knew that one was coming. Thats why companies hire employess. Thats why companies buy other companies.
Thats why companies like HP which are HARDWARE companies buy companies like Palm which are SOFTWARE companies. Whatever it takes to get the job done.
Programmers are people, they can walk from software companies over to the building where the hardware company is located and start working there, on a shiny new OS as soon as they are hired or aquired.
Edit: Might I also point out that Google started as a search engine, not a software company either.
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Knew that one was coming. Thats why companies hire employess. Thats why companies buy other companies.
Thats why companies like HP which are HARDWARE companies buy companies like Palm which are SOFTWARE companies. Whatever it takes to get the job done.
Programmers are people, they can walk from software companies over to the building where the hardware company is located and start working there, on a shiny new OS as soon as they are hired or aquired.
Edit: Might I also point out that Google started as a search engine, not a software company either.
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...ok, but in order for them to walk over there they need to be PAID, and an entire new wing of R&D needs to be built to support them. This is a massive investment that is VERY high risk that takes a long time.
Oh you're right, I had no clue Google started as a search engine. That means they are and have always been a software company. Just because "engine" is in the phrase doesn't mean it isn't software
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...ok, but in order for them to walk over there they need to be PAID, and an entire new wing of R&D needs to be built to support them. This is a massive investment that is VERY high risk that takes a long time.
Oh you're right, I had no clue Google started as a search engine. That means they are and have always been a software company. Just because "engine" is in the phrase doesn't mean it isn't software
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Sarcasm aside, no, I'm still not sure a search engine is the same as a hardware operating system....
Her is a good article supporting the alternative point of view however:
Moto ditching Android: Silly Rumor
http://androidcommunity.com/motorola-developing-own-os-silly-rumor-20110325/
Note this line: Motorola is working on their own OS? What? Back that up. Several blogs are putting forth the rumor that Motorola’s friendship with Google is waning and that the cellphone manufacturer has been quietly hiring Apple and Adobe engineers with the aim of developing their own platform OS to compete with Android.
Note the part about quietly hiring from Apple and Adobe.
I honestly don't have a strong opinion one way or the other here. I am primarily playing Devils Advocate by throwing the orignal topic out here for discussion, as it is something that people have been talking about quite a bit on Motorola hardware boards.
I was curious to see other peoples points of view on the story-rumor.
Here is an interesting article about why Google might not care if Android ever makes money.
Android May Be the Greatest Legal Destruction of Wealth in History [Android]
TOP STORIES IN TECHNOLOGY | MARCH 25, 2011
http://gizmodo.com/#!5785983/android-may-be-the-greatest-legal-destruction-of-wealth-in-history
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Here is an interesting article about why Google might not care if Android ever makes money.
Android May Be the Greatest Legal Destruction of Wealth in History [Android]
TOP STORIES IN TECHNOLOGY | MARCH 25, 2011
http://gizmodo.com/#!5785983/android-may-be-the-greatest-legal-destruction-of-wealth-in-history
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Thanks for posting this.
I have to laugh. I started this thread, and in effect was accused of being a conspiracy theorist wearing a tin-foil hat. So it makes me feel better knowing that the guys over at Gizmodo have some pretty shiny head-gear as well.
If Motorola leaves the Android community they would be shooting themselves in the foot. I really have a hard time believing Moto would be that stupid.
Where were they before Android? On the brink of death. Leaving now is suicide. Companies really need to stop thinking they are Apple. Apple is the exception to that proves rule.
If they took all the money they put into this rumored OS and sunk it into a better blur (or option to disable blur), better hardware, and FAST updates... they would rule the market.
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If Motorola leaves the Android community they would be shooting themselves in the foot. I really have a hard time believing Moto would be that stupid.
Where were they before Android? On the brink of death. Leaving now is suicide. Companies really need to stop thinking they are Apple. Apple is the exception to that proves rule.
If they took all the money they put into this rumored OS and sunk it into a better blur (or option to disable blur), better hardware, and FAST updates... they would rule the market.
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Oh hell, some companies like Microsoft shoot themselves in the foot on an almost daily basis. Remember the Kin phone? Here is a quote from an article by Engadget:
"While it's hard to argue that Kin is an awful product, the saddest part of the story is that many of the people responsible for it knew it was -- they were largely victims of political circumstance, forced to release a phone that was practically raw in the middle."
In the end they sold something like 500 of the things.
Remember the Dell streak releasing crippled with Android 1.6?
And then there was windows Vista....
Companies often do things that seem to make no rational business sense.
It would be crazy for them to abandon the platform that single handedly prevented them from going into bankruptcy... Motorola was doing horrible before they teamed up with Verizon and released the Droid OG. Which was an insanely popular device. Motorola should be thanking Verizon and Google for still having jobs right now...
They would be crazy to stop embracing android. Not only is it generating business like crazy (everyone has seen or heard of the enormous numbers of android products being sold, numbers that are unseating the existing leaders of the mobile os market), all indications are that android is still growing. Why abandon success?
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Actually it's as simple as this.. Would you abandon an OS that has the second largest apps for mobile? It would be dumb for any company to do such a thing.. I mean think about it.. What other choices do you have?? WM7, RIM, Palm etc?? It would take years for them to catch up, apps wise.. Right now, what makes these phone manufacturer tick, is the apps behind it.. Hence, that's the reason why I chose Android when I left iphone.. The apps.. So I don't think Motorola would abandon Android and jump ship anytime soon.. Or at all, for that matter..
Yeah I agree. I don't see this happening anytime soon, if at all. Especially looking within a few years down the road.
Motorola should just concentrate on making better quality hardware and leave th software to people who know what they are doing. Motorola use to mean quality, now it's just another phone maker in a sea of the same devices running the same software with nothing really revolutionary to offer buyers. If moto could make an android device with the quality of their razor they would destroy the competition.
The rumor that Moto is hiring software egr's has a glimmer of truth (and subsequently embellished for tabloid consumption). Moto is learning that there is a downside to the Android gravy train, which every co and its sister is jumping onto, and that is lack of differentiation.
Co's are trying different things. Asus is doing the integrated keyboard with the Transformer. HTC has the active digitizer where you can use a stylus. Archos is leaning on its PMP roots with strong multimedia support. But for the majority, differentiation will be minimal (mostly a custom GUI). The main determinant will be price. In other words, Android tabs will be commodity status very soon. This is good for the consumers, but not for the vendors.
This isn't the smartphone market any more, where supply is constrained by the carriers playing as gatekeepers. Price competition will be intense, and slapping on a custom GUI (as has been the practice for smartphones) will no longer be enough. Premium brands in smartphones do not automatically translate to the tablet market.
It'll be a free-for-all. And the guys that win will be those with the best value-add, brand strength, and distribution muscle. For the first, you need software peeps. Which is why Moto is stocking up.
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Might I also point out that Google started as a search engine, not a software company either.
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This sentence does not make any sense
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Just saying that something doesn't make sense isn't very helpful. Try explaining WHY it doesn't make sense.
That would add something to the discussion.
Thoughts ??
Things like this goes on all the time... usually a hefty fine takes care of things
Although Android is by Google... why is Apple sueing HTC ??
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...y_spell_trouble_for_other_android_makers.html
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Thoughts ??
Things like this goes on all the time... usually a hefty fine takes care of things
Although Android is by Google... why is Apple sueing HTC ??
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...y_spell_trouble_for_other_android_makers.html
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Apple is always suing nowadays. Which is completely retarded. Jobs likes to say it's better to steal than to copy or invent, yet his company is constantly trying to stop other companies from doing what he did. He's the biggest hypocrite and I feel terribly for his children that will probably end up with a load of mental problems (just like daddy).
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Apple is always suing nowadays. Which is completely retarded. Jobs likes to say it's better to steal than to copy or invent, yet his company is constantly trying to stop other companies from doing what he did. He's the biggest hypocrite and I feel terribly for his children that will probably end up with a load of mental problems (just like daddy).
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Best comment ever!!!!
UnicornKaz said:
Thoughts ??
Things like this goes on all the time... usually a hefty fine takes care of things
Although Android is by Google... why is Apple sueing HTC ??
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...y_spell_trouble_for_other_android_makers.html
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They're suing HTC because HTC became owners of S3 Graphics and Apple infringes on S3's patents. It's a preemptive strike to force HTC into settlement.
It's sort of a test the waters thing....Notice the timing. If they win, great! Because they get to snuff HTC out for a bit in the U.S until the appeals go to court. This could block HTC from getting phones into the U.S when the rumored iPhone 4S/iPhone 5 is released. If they lose, they can keep trying and tying HTC up...it is likely HTC WILL settle and some deal will be made so Apple is 'safe' using the S3 patents and HTC is safe using the Apple patents.
I'm sure on some level Apple is threatened by HTCs growth, I mean they have truly boomed big time in terms of sales and sheer proliferation of devices. There's not 1, but several HTC devices on every carrier and now they are making tablets too. The price of being popular is becoming a blip on Apple's suedar.
Google isn't liable for any of these lawsuits because they don't make a device and they don't sell Android. Any problem with the licensing falls to manuf. primarily who sell devices with Android on them. Microsoft is also going after device manuf. which use Android because it also owns patents that Android 'infringes' on. Don't get me wrong, they CAN go after Google but it would be a long drawn out mess that wouldn't benefit them in the least. It is better to go after the smaller guys who are likely to settle in the form of royalties or cross-patents with snazzy patents they may own themselves.
In the end, it's just business. It's deceptive, sneaky and ugly, but it's business.
Bottom line, Apple's feeling the heat & very threatened .
Pathetic....
hey guys I came across this article on msn give it a read and leave your comments. ANDROID RULES!!!! Typical Apple bulls**t!!!
By Tony Bradley
What If Steve Jobs Is Right?
Apple has been engaged in heated legal battles around the world claiming that Android smartphones and tablets infringe on its patents. Android loyalists see the legal attacks as a desperate, oppressive move by Apple to stifle competition, but perhaps the success of Android is a function of the ways it "borrows" Apple intellectual property.
According to leaked excerpts from the Steve Jobs biography which will be officially released tomorrow, Jobs is quoted saying, "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."
Jobs is also credited with stating, "I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong."
Sleeping With the Enemy
It doesn't take too much imagination to understand how Android could be a knock-off of iOS. Apple and Google were buddies--allies against Microsoft in that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" sort of way. Google's CEO--now Chairman--Eric Schmidt was a personal friend of Steve Jobs and sat on the Apple board of directors.
Seeing Google and Schmidt as partners against Microsoft--more importantly partners that didn't compete directly in key areas like mobile devices and operating systems--Apple and Jobs would have felt comfortable sharing details of iOS. Schmidt was in a position to get confidential information on the strategy and vision for the future of the iPhone and possibly even the embryonic concepts of the iPad.
I am not suggesting Schmidt set out to infiltrate Apple in an act of corporate espionage. It is possible, however, that Schmidt saw the genius of the Apple roadmap, but disagreed on certain aspects of implementation--like the "walled garden" approach of Apple--and decided to build a more open version of the same thing with Android.
Perhaps Schmidt "stole" from iOS without even being conscious of it.
An Inside Job
When it comes to Samsung, things get even stickier. Not only is Samsung using Android as the operating system in its flagship smartphones and tablets, and now portable music players, but Samsung devices are identical in form and design as well. The Samsung smartphones and tablets are virtually identical hardware to Apple mobile devices, running an operating system that seems to "borrow heavily" from Apple software concepts.
Like Schmidt with the iOS software, Samsung was in a somewhat unique position to know intimate details of the Apple hardware and architecture. Samsung is a key supplier of chips and displays for Apple smartphones and tablets, and may have had inside knowledge that it employed in developing its own competing devices.
Maybe the reason that Samsung is the number two maker of smartphones behind Apple, and the reason that the Samsung Galaxy Tabs seem to be the only Android tablet enjoying some sense of success in the market is because they so closely mirror the Apple iPhone and iPad.
No Surrender
There is some additional evidence to support the quotes from the Steve Jobs biography. Intellectual property and patent analyst Florian Mueller recently uncovered information from legal filings in the case between Apple and Samsung in Australia that demonstrate that Apple is not interested in collecting a licensing fee. It wants the infringing products banned, and its intellectual property protected, and it has no intention of selling it to Samsung, HTC, or anyone else for a few dollars per unit.
A blog post from Mueller outlines in detail some of the passages from testimony that show Apple's commitment to defending its patents. Mueller sums up with, "Apple is prepared to give Android device makers a license to "some lower level patents" but it wants to reserve various design elements and functionalities exclusively for iOS."
What If?
I am not a lawyer, nor am I a patent attorney. I am admittedly speculating.
In general, I agree that patent litigation is getting out of hand. It has become a standard operating procedure and part of the normal business model for hardware and software makers.
I don't agree with patent trolling, or using patent litigation as a strategic weapon to stifle competition. However, I do support the defense of patents and intellectual property that are legitimately being infringed upon. What if the Android OS and the devices it runs on actually infringe on patents held by Apple?
There is no denying that Android has been a tremendous success in smartphones. It has stumbled (repeatedly) out of the starting gate in tablets, but I imagine it will eventually make up ground and one day surpass Apple's iOS in that arena as well. But, it is possible that Android owes its success to concepts and technologies it does not have a legal right to make use of.
If a company came out with a new cola beverage that tasted just like Coca Cola, and its sales surpassed those of the iconic beverage giant we might put that company on a pedestal as a shining example of American ingenuity and commitment to excellence. But, if we later found out that the new cola only exists because its founders served on the board of Coca Cola and literally stole the secret formula for Coke, our opinion of that beverage and the success of that company would change dramatically.
The fact that Android is successful should not have any weight on determining whether it achieved that success by violating Apple patents. The impact an injunction against Android devices might have on the smartphone market should not be sufficient to excuse profiting from the theft of intellectual property.
It's easy to paint Apple as the bad guy and jump to the conclusion that its patent suits are just a sign of sour grapes over the success of Android. It seems apparent, though, that Steve Jobs was absolutely positive that Android is stolen and he had no intention of backing down or compromising with licensing agreements.
What if Steve Jobs is right?
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Apple's too full of themselves.
They aren't the originator of anything. They can't claim someone else stole from them because they have nothing under their belt that wasn't done before them.
Smartphones? Done before Apple did it.
Home computing? Done before Apple did it.
Digital media? Done before Apple did it.
Portable media players? Done before Apple did it.
Tablets? Done before Apple did it.
...only thing Apple deserves credit for is knowing how to pretty something up to be mainstreamed, professionally inflating figures to overbloat their successes, and knowing how to take advantage of masses of millions who don't research to learn anything. Without out-of-the-know and tech illiterate consumers, Apple would had fallen through long, LONG ago. Of course they want to kill Android; they're scared ****less... Android's claimed more marketshare per month for many, many consecutive month and single handed brought excellence to everything that iOS was mediocre at.
They can claim Android steals from iOS, but look at what iOS5 comes jam-packed with... tons of features that Android users have already had for ages.
If Steve Jobs is right, then mass scale theft is allegedly being commited. And there are two possible ways to confront it. Either the 200 million people who have bought Android devices are content with cooperating with mass scale theft... or it is not mass scale theft. While any sane person would agree to the second idea, that would make the Western economies collapse, as many product makers (Apple most prominently, but most market leaders would do the same) depend increasingly on patentable added-value.
thatsupnow said:
hey guys I came across this article on msn give it a read and leave your comments. ANDROID RULES!!!! Typical Apple bulls**t!!!
By Tony Bradley
What If Steve Jobs Is Right?
Apple has been engaged in heated legal battles around the world claiming that Android smartphones and tablets infringe on its patents. Android loyalists see the legal attacks as a desperate, oppressive move by Apple to stifle competition, but perhaps the success of Android is a function of the ways it "borrows" Apple intellectual property.
According to leaked excerpts from the Steve Jobs biography which will be officially released tomorrow, Jobs is quoted saying, "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."
Jobs is also credited with stating, "I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong."
Sleeping With the Enemy
It doesn't take too much imagination to understand how Android could be a knock-off of iOS. Apple and Google were buddies--allies against Microsoft in that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" sort of way. Google's CEO--now Chairman--Eric Schmidt was a personal friend of Steve Jobs and sat on the Apple board of directors.
Seeing Google and Schmidt as partners against Microsoft--more importantly partners that didn't compete directly in key areas like mobile devices and operating systems--Apple and Jobs would have felt comfortable sharing details of iOS. Schmidt was in a position to get confidential information on the strategy and vision for the future of the iPhone and possibly even the embryonic concepts of the iPad.
I am not suggesting Schmidt set out to infiltrate Apple in an act of corporate espionage. It is possible, however, that Schmidt saw the genius of the Apple roadmap, but disagreed on certain aspects of implementation--like the "walled garden" approach of Apple--and decided to build a more open version of the same thing with Android.
Perhaps Schmidt "stole" from iOS without even being conscious of it.
An Inside Job
When it comes to Samsung, things get even stickier. Not only is Samsung using Android as the operating system in its flagship smartphones and tablets, and now portable music players, but Samsung devices are identical in form and design as well. The Samsung smartphones and tablets are virtually identical hardware to Apple mobile devices, running an operating system that seems to "borrow heavily" from Apple software concepts.
Like Schmidt with the iOS software, Samsung was in a somewhat unique position to know intimate details of the Apple hardware and architecture. Samsung is a key supplier of chips and displays for Apple smartphones and tablets, and may have had inside knowledge that it employed in developing its own competing devices.
Maybe the reason that Samsung is the number two maker of smartphones behind Apple, and the reason that the Samsung Galaxy Tabs seem to be the only Android tablet enjoying some sense of success in the market is because they so closely mirror the Apple iPhone and iPad.
No Surrender
There is some additional evidence to support the quotes from the Steve Jobs biography. Intellectual property and patent analyst Florian Mueller recently uncovered information from legal filings in the case between Apple and Samsung in Australia that demonstrate that Apple is not interested in collecting a licensing fee. It wants the infringing products banned, and its intellectual property protected, and it has no intention of selling it to Samsung, HTC, or anyone else for a few dollars per unit.
A blog post from Mueller outlines in detail some of the passages from testimony that show Apple's commitment to defending its patents. Mueller sums up with, "Apple is prepared to give Android device makers a license to "some lower level patents" but it wants to reserve various design elements and functionalities exclusively for iOS."
What If?
I am not a lawyer, nor am I a patent attorney. I am admittedly speculating.
In general, I agree that patent litigation is getting out of hand. It has become a standard operating procedure and part of the normal business model for hardware and software makers.
I don't agree with patent trolling, or using patent litigation as a strategic weapon to stifle competition. However, I do support the defense of patents and intellectual property that are legitimately being infringed upon. What if the Android OS and the devices it runs on actually infringe on patents held by Apple?
There is no denying that Android has been a tremendous success in smartphones. It has stumbled (repeatedly) out of the starting gate in tablets, but I imagine it will eventually make up ground and one day surpass Apple's iOS in that arena as well. But, it is possible that Android owes its success to concepts and technologies it does not have a legal right to make use of.
If a company came out with a new cola beverage that tasted just like Coca Cola, and its sales surpassed those of the iconic beverage giant we might put that company on a pedestal as a shining example of American ingenuity and commitment to excellence. But, if we later found out that the new cola only exists because its founders served on the board of Coca Cola and literally stole the secret formula for Coke, our opinion of that beverage and the success of that company would change dramatically.
The fact that Android is successful should not have any weight on determining whether it achieved that success by violating Apple patents. The impact an injunction against Android devices might have on the smartphone market should not be sufficient to excuse profiting from the theft of intellectual property.
It's easy to paint Apple as the bad guy and jump to the conclusion that its patent suits are just a sign of sour grapes over the success of Android. It seems apparent, though, that Steve Jobs was absolutely positive that Android is stolen and he had no intention of backing down or compromising with licensing agreements.
What if Steve Jobs is right?
Copyright (c) 2011
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tldr........
Android never felt like iOS, so I'm really not sure how it could be considered stolen..
Out of the gate Android's product had different intentions, to be a customizable, to be used on a wide range of hardware, and to be flexible.
Apple's iOS is not customizable, in fact it's set up the way a certain individual likes it, even if you don't like it like that. It's only used on specific hardware, and it's in no way flexible.
Steve Jobs patented the action of inertial scrolling, or scrolling that seemed more natural for touch. Great concept, not a great thing to patent, as it's really the only way it can feel natural to a human, and the idea of "I released it first so you're stealing" is entirely childish. Did Apple really expect Google to incorporate scroll bars instead?
This is the only thing I can really think of where Apple has any sort of ground, as I said before, Android has always felt like an entirely different concept. This whole "Android is a stolen product" thing just seems like a childish way to snuff out the biggest competitor.
It has worked with Samsung. The Galaxy Tab was basically wiped from important markets with its Germany ban.
Android never die
android will kill apple , symbian and f**en windows phone . i'm sure
I like competition. It makes smartphones get better. When android has no real competitors I guarantee you there'll not be update.
This article (and many others) continually neglects the fact that Android (as a company) was founded in 2003, at the same time Apple was partnered with Motorola to put iTunes on the ROKR. Google was not involved with Android till 2005, and at that point there is no way they built a complete OS from Google's acquisition to the Nov 2007 release of Android. They had been working on this thing from the beginning, and I'm sure there were some external influences, but to say that it was stolen is downright wrong. Heck if that was true you could say Apple stole from Palm as iOS functions much the same as my old Palm Pilot did. And Apple has been taking design elements from Android (like notifications) that could be construed in the same way.
Steve Jobs I'm sorry that you are gone, you were an innovator in many things, and a marketing genius and I have tremendous respect for you as a business man. However you served up some great Kool Aid, and your overall megalomaniac attitude towards this just shows that you think you can bully anyone out of your "ideas" when in truth they weren't even yours.
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This article (and many others) continually neglects the fact that Android (as a company) was founded in 2003, at the same time Apple was partnered with Motorola to put iTunes on the ROKR. Google was not involved with Android till 2005, and at that point there is no way they built a complete OS from Google's acquisition to the Nov 2007 release of Android. They had been working on this thing from the beginning, and I'm sure there were some external influences, but to say that it was stolen is downright wrong. Heck if that was true you could say Apple stole from Palm as iOS functions much the same as my old Palm Pilot did. And Apple has been taking design elements from Android (like notifications) that could be construed in the same way.
Steve Jobs I'm sorry that you are gone, you were an innovator in many things, and a marketing genius and I have tremendous respect for you as a business man. However you served up some great Kool Aid, and your overall megalomaniac attitude towards this just shows that you think you can bully anyone out of your "ideas" when in truth they weren't even yours.
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I agree, Steve Jobs was pretty amazing but when something does not go his way (For example A product that is going to kick Apple's ass) then he will just start a lawsuite and cry over it. R.I.P Though.
Steve Jobs made a fortune off of borrowed ideas. He was simply good at marketing ideas that were previously overlooked. The only truly innovative thing he ever "invented" was the Apple II, and that was largely thanks to Wozniak. He recognized good ideas when he saw them, but to say that he invented any of it is ridiculous.
He stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as he could, and before he even knew what he had, he patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now *pounds fists* he's selling it.
Too soon...
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Too soon...
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pfft! Nothing is too soon I could see if you knew him personally ya but chances are pretty good you don't
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pfft! Nothing is too soon I could see if you knew him personally ya but chances are pretty good you don't
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Unless he's using the Kevin Bacon thingy theory on Steve Jobs, then he might, lol
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Unless he's using the Kevin Bacon thingy theory on Steve Jobs, then he might, lol
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Aahaha that's funny!
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