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Apple suing HTC!!

OMG, apple suing HTC!
Hope they release the new rom first!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/02/apple_patent_htc/

tweedie said:
OMG, apple suing HTC!
Hope they release the new rom first!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/02/apple_patent_htc/
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LOL,
How come HTC did not sue Apple all this time? If I'm not wrong HTC came with this swipe thing long before Apple did. Steve Jobs is a pure jackass

nikiforos said:
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How come HTC did not sue Apple all this time? If I'm not wrong HTC came with this swipe thing long before Apple did. Steve Jobs is a pure jackass
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Agreed, it's a shame, over some small matters, how stupid, what is the world coming to, right's over "touch-use" what next? Just cos' his iPhone is losing money since the "Jailbreak", he's taking it out on HTC to bring his profit margin up, suck-ass!

Apple are a set of **** heads.

You probably shouldn't fret too much. The pursuit of the patent protection is for patents registered with the USPTO. In the short term, it won't effect HTC, and certainly won't impact features/functionality in dispute anywhere except the US. Long term, it may kill off HTC if it starts dragging out while Apple bleed HTC in the courts (HTC sell more mobiles in the US market). Then it would impact us.
My big hope is that Palm, HTC and Nokia just clobber Apple with their patent portfolios and Google prop up HTC if it comes to that.
Die Apple, die!

This is just daft. You can pinch & zoom on almost anything these days. Take windows 7 multi touch for example, or multi touch mouse pads.
Btw, how much stuff has apple stolen from other manufacturers in just making a PDA. HTC have been at it for decades,
OK, sorry for the rant...apple frustrate me

BlueHawk said:
You probably shouldn't fret too much. The pursuit of the patent protection is for patents registered with the USPTO. In the short term, it won't effect HTC, and certainly won't impact features/functionality in dispute anywhere except the US. Long term, it may kill off HTC if it starts dragging out while Apple bleed HTC in the courts (HTC sell more mobiles in the US market). Then it would impact us.
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Short term, no, it probably won't be a big deal, but if HTC loses business in the US because of it, then that is a big deal in the long term. According to this NYT article (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/04/technology/04htc.html?ref=technology), about half of HTC's revenue comes from sales in the US.
And I agree, Apple's just being ridiculous! While I've never complained too much about them, as they do have a history of making good products (mostly), it's stupid things like this that just annoy consumers!

It is the latest in a series of legal wrangles involving Apple. Finnish phone giant Nokia sued Apple for patent infringement in October 2009, alleging it had stolen patented technology. In response, Apple countersued in December 2009, followed by a second round of legal action from Nokia. Apple is also being investigated by the ITC following a complaint by camera manufacturer Kodak. The firm allege that the iPhone uses technology for previewing pictures that infringe Kodak patents.
Apple are just running scared because Android is going to be massive this year. Apple try to discredit Google by attacking HTC on patents some 15 years old!
Pathetic.
BTW Steve Jobs, Ipad gonna flop!

Apple should not mess with the big boys, i should imagine the big boys can hit back and very hard.

I do believe that the patents Apple speak off were registered in the US only. Patents have to be filed in each country individually. Europe / Aisia --- the rest of the world would never authorise patents like these. Brings me to think that apple has someone in the patent office who just lets them through.
So even if Apple won, the UK, and the rest of the world would be fine.
oooops just read that this was mentioned above...

jonny#1 said:
Apple should not mess with the big boys, i should imagine the big boys can hit back and very hard.
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HTC is not that big, apple is way bigger. But google already said they would back-up HTC since the most patents are broken by google, and not only the htc sense interface.
This will probably be settled out court, if apple really wants to do damage to htc google will do the same to apple. And google is way bigger than apple.
I think It's kind of weak to sue only htc. But apple is weak, and they'll lose if they go up against google.
No more youtube on Iphone no more google apps on iphone no more money for steve and he doesn't want that....

well he is going against himself. check this out.
http://www.fuzemobility.com/steve-j...intosh-good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/

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Come on guys don't forget that Apple has patented the "User friendly" interface. They will probably deal with microsoft after htc/google.

Stafflover said:
HTC is not that big, apple is way bigger. But google already said they would back-up HTC since the most patents are broken by google, and not only the htc sense interface.
This will probably be settled out court, if apple really wants to do damage to htc google will do the same to apple. And google is way bigger than apple.
I think It's kind of weak to sue only htc. But apple is weak, and they'll lose if they go up against google.
No more youtube on Iphone no more google apps on iphone no more money for steve and he doesn't want that....
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So if that's the case: no flash on iPhone, no google maps on iPhone, no youTube on iPhone. What's left besides having a phone on the iPhone?

bjg222 said:
So if that's the case: no flash on iPhone, no google maps on iPhone, no youTube on iPhone. What's left besides having a phone on the iPhone?
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Just as much as having it now... You're the great owner of an iphone and you have totally no freedom And people seriously are happy with that. Can't imagine

Apple Suing HTC over 20 patents

If you haven't heard of it already, Apple has slapped HTC with a lawsuit today for violating ~20 patents.
They're trying for a permanent injunction to disallow any future HTC handset imports into the US.
Wow. Seems like someone's scared. What do you guys think about this?
If this keeps me from getting my Supersonic, so help me...
http://androidandme.com/2010/03/news/rotten-apple-htc-sued-over-20-patents/
Whoops, just saw a similar post a few below mine...I skimmed at first and didn't see anything...mods please delete this

what did we expect steve jobs is a douche... apple is scared of android and its biggest phone producer of android devices. This is why I hate apple, they reinvented the game and now are doing what they hate microsoft for. Tryin to control the market and make **** stagnant an dull

I posted this same response on SprintUsers but I'm so disgusted with this I couldn't help but copy and paste it here.
"How very pathetic.
The only Apple product I have ever bought was my girlfriends iPod.
It's not enough that they have sold more phones than anyone now they want to monopolize the market?
I hated having no option but to install itunes just to be able to use her ipod. Just sad.
Apple is going on my boycott list along with McDonald's, WalMart, and a few others.
Whether they win or lose this suit it's official; I will NEVER purchase another product made by Apple, ever."

Just a heads up, the mods already locked one topic about this in this forum as another topic about it existed elsewhere:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=640835

**** Apple.
They are looking for a permanent injuction, which could affect future sales of phones here.
I am so sick of Apple.
Check this
http://gizmodo.com/5483914/steve-jobs-1996-good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal
The guy is a ****ing prick.
I am selling my macbook and ipod as soon as I find decent alternatives.
I wish Google OS was polished and out.

Apple got it's paradigm to replace MSDOS from Xerox, Google it.
How quickly they forget, if it wasn't for the gift from Xerox, apple wouldn't be.
So it seems a new industry of bootlegged / home brew phones could be around the corner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU <----- Steve Jobs is a cockbite.
I don't understand why they're going after HTC and none of the 25 or so other companies doing the exact same thing.

gthing said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU <----- Steve Jobs is a cockbite.
I don't understand why they're going after HTC and none of the 25 or so other companies doing the exact same thing.
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Cause apple invented touchscreens, downloading apps, muti-touch....lol.

apple is salty because they became a victim of their own success...and now they are nervous that everyone is going to surpass them...which google will

gthing said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU <----- Steve Jobs is a cockbite.
I don't understand why they're going after HTC and none of the 25 or so other companies doing the exact same thing.
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HTC is the big money in the Android game right now, they'll sue Moto next. Apple wants to ride the Android train, but Apple users just typically aren't smart enough for a device smarter than them.

Konikub said:
Cause apple invented touchscreens, downloading apps, muti-touch....lol.
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Wow....guess I don't know as much about technology as I thought. Cause I was downloading applications on Windows 3.11 with 28.8 kb/s internet connection back in 93 or so....Didn't know apple invented that. Guess I need to start paying more attention. And I thought I was playing video poker on touchscreens and signing for packages on a touch-pad quite a while back too. Apple kicks ass, inventing all this **** and keeping it on the DL.

this is fun. apple has filed anything and everything under patents. people wonder why no one can beat the iphone. a device that cant even multitask. my moto razr did better than the iphone. the problem is that the fine line between profit and loss is extremely small when you get sued and knowing how apple goes about things they will take htc for the profit they earned. i have faith though. htc has some very very talented people including lawyers. they didnt implement the technology that apple patented without knowledge of how to beat it.
thats my .02 cents.

Avalaunchmods said:
this is fun. apple has filed anything and everything under patents. people wonder why no one can beat the iphone. a device that cant even multitask. my moto razr did better than the iphone. the problem is that the fine line between profit and loss is extremely small when you get sued and knowing how apple goes about things they will take htc for the profit they earned. i have faith though. htc has some very very talented people including lawyers. they didnt implement the technology that apple patented without knowledge of how to beat it.
thats my .02 cents.
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they didnt implement the technology that apple patented without knowledge of how to beat it.
TRUE. i was thinking the same thing..

yea apple is feeling the pressure from google and HTC so they are going to go after HTC ... HA
apple taking on htc and nokia is a mistake i hope the judge ***** slaps apple

The stupidity of Apple never ceases to amaze me. Palm had touch screen technology LONG before Apple, yet you don't see Palm crying like little *****es. I hope Nokia, MS, Google, Palm, and Cisco all take turns telling Steve Jobs to STFU and then hopefully his turtleneck would strangle him for us.
Wishful thinking.

haha yea hopefully the judges all had bad experiences with iphones cauwse then they will hop in the STFU setve line

pseudoremora said:
The stupidity of Apple never ceases to amaze me. Palm had touch screen technology LONG before Apple, yet you don't see Palm crying like little *****es. I hope Nokia, MS, Google, Palm, and Cisco all take turns telling Steve Jobs to STFU and then hopefully his turtleneck would strangle him for us.
Wishful thinking.
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OMG Does he ever change clothes! lol One can only hope that that stupid looking turtleneck will get wrapped up tight in his sleep one night ( as he tosses and turns, loosing sleep because Android is kicking his beloved iphones ass) and choke him to death.

im suprised they didnt go for palm first...cause didnt a bunch of apple devs go to palm a couple years back?

I wouldn't call it technology more like. features

BrianDigital said:
I wouldn't call it technology more like. features
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well according to patents, "multitouch"
"A computer-implemented method for use in conjunction with a computing device with a touch screen display comprises: detecting one or more finger contacts with the touch screen display, applying one or more heuristics to the one or more finger contacts to determine a command for the device, and processing the command. The one or more heuristics comprise: a heuristic for determining that the one or more finger contacts correspond to a one-dimensional vertical screen scrolling command, a heuristic for determining that the one or more finger contacts correspond to a two-dimensional screen translation command, and a heuristic for determining that the one or more finger contacts correspond to a command to transition from displaying a respective item in a set of items to displaying a next item in the set of items."
which is a technology for some reason. funny as hell that steve jobs is listed as one of the inventors. i think htc beat this lawsuit by only implementing while you perform an action and as you see that is not in the patent. so the only time multitouch is used is when it detects two fingers moving away or towards one another which is not a command.
gotta love America

Bad TouchWiz? Apple sues Samsung for patent violations

"Apple is continuing its crusade against competitors that it believes are ripping off its ideas. The company filed a lawsuit against Samsung on Monday, alleging that the electronics giant violated Apple's intellectual property in its Android-powered devices like the Galaxy Tab, Nexus S, and Epic 4G."
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Lulz. That's all I have to say - though I don't know who I'm lulzing at. Is it Apple, for their complete BS lawsuit, or is it Samsung, for TouchWiz which is **** and a half?

F****** apple sueing everyone, next hes going to sue the users for not using an apple product. lol

As much as I hate these types of lawsuits, I do hate the way manufacturers have blatantly copied iOS elements. TouchWiz is crap, and "being like the iPhone" is not what is cool. Enough.

Its all about the Benjamin's baby!
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Apple, even if its lawsuit has merit, is ****ing itself over with possibly THE biggest supplier of high end screen and other components in the world. Not everything they do is brilliant. Case in point.

****ing Apple...

DroidApprentice said:
Apple, even if its lawsuit has merit, is ****ing itself over with possibly THE biggest supplier of high end screen and other components in the world. Not everything they do is brilliant. Case in point.
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Unfortunately, Apple has such enormous orders that if Samsung said FU, they'd be hurting themselves more than Apple. Apple could go to anyone and get what they need - hell, they could build their own fabs and do it themselves.

Jeez apple. They're not even THAT similar! The only similarity is the app drawer with the box around the icons! Big whoop!
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k0nane said:
Unfortunately, Apple has such enormous orders that if Samsung said FU, they'd be hurting themselves more than Apple. Apple could go to anyone and get what they need - hell, they could build their own fabs and do it themselves.
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That's cool. If Facebook can now redesign its own servers, Apple can make absolutely all its own phone and tablet components too. Meanwhile Samsung will supply all Apple's competitors and the Apple shareholders can ask Black Turtleneck God why cash reserves have dropped so precipitously so fast.
Apple is either going to have to sue everybody (oh wait, maybe they are) since all seem equally guilty to me for ripping them off, or actually try to compete through the innovation they're supposedly so good at.

i agree they copied iOS a little too closely. unfortunatly for apple most people hate touchwiz

k0nane said:
"Apple is continuing its crusade against competitors that it believes are ripping off its ideas. The company filed a lawsuit against Samsung on Monday, alleging that the electronics giant violated Apple's intellectual property in its Android-powered devices like the Galaxy Tab, Nexus S, and Epic 4G."
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Lulz. That's all I have to say - though I don't know who I'm lulzing at. Is it Apple, for their complete BS lawsuit, or is it Samsung, for TouchWiz which is **** and a half?
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So...when is Apple going to sue the super markets for selling Apples and Macintosh's without paying royalty?

DroidApprentice said:
That's cool. If Facebook can now redesign its own servers, Apple can make absolutely all its own phone and tablet components too. Meanwhile Samsung will supply all Apple's competitors and the Apple shareholders can ask Black Turtleneck God why cash reserves have dropped so precipitously so fast.
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I'm far from an Apple fanboy, but you really don't give them enough credit. That's all I'm going to say.

k0nane said:
I'm far from an Apple fanboy, but you really don't give them enough credit. That's all I'm going to say.
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I am going to have to disagree on that, while Apple has a tremendous amount of money at their disposal, they can't afford to go a year or two without making a phone/ipod while their factories are built. They rely on outside sources for pretty much everything, to attempt to become completely self reliant would be a bone-headed move and would absolutely kill their stocks.

They are not going to build their own factories...its VERY hard and expensive...most just buy the factories from others and recycle them. Most likely though Apple will just go with someone else in worst case senario..like LG, Sony, Toshiba etc..
Apple makes Samsung electronics biggest customer, a swap would hurt both of them tremendesly.
They are not going to split their business over this though...its far too insignificant...it might even be on purpose to have Samsung and Apple cross license each others patents and then let Apple have leverage over other Android makers...like M$ sued HTC that time..

Apple is a more innovative company than Samsung and everyone owes Apple a lot. There, I said it.
Now that I said it, the pathetic thing about this suit is that by the time Sammy has to pay up and/or dump Touchwiz--which they would do without many tears--and Apple has wasted its own time and money, iOS 7.0 will be out which will be holographic 3D scratch n sniff. ;-)

people seem to forget that apple used to use their own processors and switched over to intel only a few years ago. now they concentrate on being artists
lazy edit: after writing that i realized that they probably had another company making the chips for them...

murso74 said:
people seem to forget that apple used to use their own processors and switched over to intel only a few years ago. now they concentrate on being artists
lazy edit: after writing that i realized that they probably had another company making the chips for them...
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Apple has never built their own silicon.

I like apple and all, but geez... how many "innovative" ways really are there to show application shortcuts?
Apple makes solid products, no doubt, and you definitely get what you pay for (albeit at a premium price), but I think they are going a little crazy lately. I mean, c'mon, suing amazon for calling it the "amazon appstore" because apple coined the term "appstore" first? really apple? is that really stealing your thunder?

murso74 said:
people seem to forget that apple used to use their own processors and switched over to intel only a few years ago. now they concentrate on being artists
lazy edit: after writing that i realized that they probably had another company making the chips for them...
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you mean the IBM PowerPC chips?

Stevie's just upset that it won't be long before Android market share passes iOS. Gotta do something! It must be cheaper and more profitable to milk the same turd for 4 years and sue people than to actually design a new phone

Apple trying to kill android!

How does this make you feel?
http://www.dailytech.com/Apples+Plo...+HTC+Nears+Fruition+With+Win/article22173.htm

One more reason I have started to hate apple. They are nothing but cry babies. Its like ford sueing chevy over the design of the steering wheel. Petty bull****. They can't make a competetive product so they will just sue the other companies that do.
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scarmon25 said:
One more reason I have started to hate apple. They are nothing but cry babies. Its like ford sueing chevy over the design of the steering wheel. Petty bull****. They can't make a competetive product so they will just sue the other companies that do.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. This just proves how much our patent system needs an overhaul because it is clearly being abused. It is no longer beneficial but harmful in that it is stifling innovation due to everybody being scared of being sued. I own and like certain Apple products (MacBook and iPod) but this is just ridiculous. I can honestly say I'm disgusted by this news and cannot see myself buying an Apple product again! Make your product better in order for it to compete more effectively instead of just trying to get rid of the competition. Screw you Apple!

That is why I sold my macbook and went back to Windows. Because they started being that way. I just hope HTC wins their appeal. I don't want to see them get their handsets baned. They make a quality product anand shouldn't be punished for it.
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Another reason I can't stand Apple or Microsoft. These patent lawsuits are getting to be ridiculous. Most of them are are too broad and should have never been issued a patent in the first place. Apple's thinking is if they can't innovate they will litigate to the beat the competition.

jpricesd said:
Another reason I can't stand Apple or Microsoft. These patent lawsuits are getting to be ridiculous. Most of them are are too broad and should have never been issued a patent in the first place. Apple's thinking is if they can't innovate they will litigate to the beat the competition.
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Agreed, however I think of Microsoft as the lesser of the the two devils lol.

while I have to congratulate apple on their master troll award, they can suck a fat one, especially jobs... when they feel threatened they stoop to using patent law or design/hardware complaints to try and stifle competition
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They aren't trying to kill android, they are just playing the litigation game. In the US, is this really surprising to anyone? Every large corporation does the same thing. Its not like they are trying to muscle a small business our of business. They are multi-million dollar companies that end up settling things out of court. Claiming that apple wants to kill android is a leap of out reality.

I don't know. They have sued almost every company that has anything to do with android or mobile devices that have android. Lets see. Samsung,HTC,Motorolla and Google just to name a few they have sued. I'm sure there is more but those I know of. Seems to me they are trying to kill off the competition.
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ahh this seems to be far from over.. i cant wait to see what unfolds fro this in the future

FDro said:
They aren't trying to kill android, they are just playing the litigation game. In the US, is this really surprising to anyone? Every large corporation does the same thing. Its not like they are trying to muscle a small business our of business. They are multi-million dollar companies that end up settling things out of court. Claiming that apple wants to kill android is a leap of out reality.
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I don't think you read the entire article
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This just proves how much our patent system needs an overhaul because it is clearly being abused. It is no longer beneficial but harmful in that it is stifling innovation due to everybody being scared of being sued.
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Apple did its bit to bring Xerox PARC innovations to the public, but it has become quite lawyer-happy these days.
http://www.economist.com/node/18867534
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Definitely uninstalled Itunes and all apple-related stuff from my computer after this.

I have to agree with this. I switched back to windows for all my computing needs and never looked back.
I feel like apple is a cult, once you are in they make you feel that you can never leave. I felt that way when buying my latest laptop, a custom built Maingear, but I honestly don't miss it at all. Not even sure why I bought my mac book in the first place.
I would be interested to see what happens when this reaches androids baby daddy Google. If anyone has legal power above apple in this country I would think its Google.
I wouldn't F*!% with em....

I hope you're right about google. I would love to see a mud hole stomped in apples a**.
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gkirby11 said:
I would be interested to see what happens when this reaches androids baby daddy Google. If anyone has legal power above apple in this country I would think its Google.
I wouldn't F*!% with em....
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It won't ever get that far. If apple really thought they could take down google they would be after them not HTC. They are just trying to chip away at some competition because they can't keep up with all of the manufacturers of smart phones running android (htc, motorola, samsung, sony, lg) they are one company going against many many companies. Its just like windows against osx. Only one company makes hardware for osx, but countless others make windows hardware. Why do you think they made it possible to run windows on a new mac? All of these companies should band together and just ***** slap apple. Apple- can't beat you fairly so we will just sue you into oblivion...used to love apple...**** you steve jobs!
Arrogant ass apple can't even get a 4g radio into an iphone....
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neh4pres said:
I don't think you read the entire article
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I read the entire article, but unlike the majority of people on this board I'm not going to buy into an extremist view point. If you want to think that Apple is trying to "kill" off android, then you should look into Jesse Ventura and buy his bowl of conspiracy BS as well.

scarmon25 said:
One more reason I have started to hate apple. They are nothing but cry babies.
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Agreed. Cry babies! Focus on making a better product that people want instead of crying about what others are doing.

Apples new motto : if you.can't innovate, then litigate.
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It's kind of pathetic how upset you guys are. You act like HTC wouldn't do the exact same thing if they were in Apple's position. Anyways, things like this have been happening forever.

Android & Apple in the news :p

Thoughts ??
Things like this goes on all the time... usually a hefty fine takes care of things
Although Android is by Google... why is Apple sueing HTC ??
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...y_spell_trouble_for_other_android_makers.html

UnicornKaz said:
Thoughts ??
Things like this goes on all the time... usually a hefty fine takes care of things
Although Android is by Google... why is Apple sueing HTC ??
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...y_spell_trouble_for_other_android_makers.html
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Apple is always suing nowadays. Which is completely retarded. Jobs likes to say it's better to steal than to copy or invent, yet his company is constantly trying to stop other companies from doing what he did. He's the biggest hypocrite and I feel terribly for his children that will probably end up with a load of mental problems (just like daddy).

rorytmeadows said:
Apple is always suing nowadays. Which is completely retarded. Jobs likes to say it's better to steal than to copy or invent, yet his company is constantly trying to stop other companies from doing what he did. He's the biggest hypocrite and I feel terribly for his children that will probably end up with a load of mental problems (just like daddy).
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Best comment ever!!!!

UnicornKaz said:
Thoughts ??
Things like this goes on all the time... usually a hefty fine takes care of things
Although Android is by Google... why is Apple sueing HTC ??
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...y_spell_trouble_for_other_android_makers.html
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They're suing HTC because HTC became owners of S3 Graphics and Apple infringes on S3's patents. It's a preemptive strike to force HTC into settlement.
It's sort of a test the waters thing....Notice the timing. If they win, great! Because they get to snuff HTC out for a bit in the U.S until the appeals go to court. This could block HTC from getting phones into the U.S when the rumored iPhone 4S/iPhone 5 is released. If they lose, they can keep trying and tying HTC up...it is likely HTC WILL settle and some deal will be made so Apple is 'safe' using the S3 patents and HTC is safe using the Apple patents.
I'm sure on some level Apple is threatened by HTCs growth, I mean they have truly boomed big time in terms of sales and sheer proliferation of devices. There's not 1, but several HTC devices on every carrier and now they are making tablets too. The price of being popular is becoming a blip on Apple's suedar.
Google isn't liable for any of these lawsuits because they don't make a device and they don't sell Android. Any problem with the licensing falls to manuf. primarily who sell devices with Android on them. Microsoft is also going after device manuf. which use Android because it also owns patents that Android 'infringes' on. Don't get me wrong, they CAN go after Google but it would be a long drawn out mess that wouldn't benefit them in the least. It is better to go after the smaller guys who are likely to settle in the form of royalties or cross-patents with snazzy patents they may own themselves.
In the end, it's just business. It's deceptive, sneaky and ugly, but it's business.

Bottom line, Apple's feeling the heat & very threatened .

Pathetic....