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Apple coming after HTC

Just saw this headline. I'm guessing it'll be multitouch related. Or maybe uni-body construction on the Legend? In any case, looks like it'll get ugly (especially if Google gets involved), though hopefully in the end some of their overly broad and generic patents will get invalidated.
Apple Goes After HTC In Lawsuit Over 20 iPhone Patents
http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/02/apple-goes-after-htc-in-lawsuit-over-20-iphone-patents/

That whole company is a bunch of f*cking scumbags

blankd3ckskat3r said:
That whole company is a bunch of f*cking scumbags
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Apple getting a lil worried are we?

blankd3ckskat3r said:
That whole company is a bunch of f*cking scumbags
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Steve Jobs is a f'ing genius!
I am sure some of you will remember back when apple was trading for a 1.50 a share!
F'ing genius I tell ya!

Android gains some ground and this is how the fight competitors?

Roman G said:
Steve Jobs is a f'ing genius!
I am sure some of you will remember back when apple was trading for a 1.50 a share!
F'ing genius I tell ya!
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He might be a genious but he's a scumbag and so is every one of his employees. I for one am sick of hearing about this company. They make crap products at way over the top prices. The iPhone revelotionized phones but if u think abut it, its 5 year old technology making it seem like its new. Its ridiculous, its an idiots phone.

I am curious to see if HTC is going to file a counter suit similar to Nokia's, Apple is a newcomer when it comes to cell phones. I am quite sure that HTC has plenty of patents that could be interpreted as being infringed upon by Apple.
I am just happy that these companies are helping to support lawyers during this slow economic time.

Of course, Why actually build a product that educated people can use? Apple wants drones of morons to use their products. Best way to steal HTC and Googles market share back? Offer a product we don't want and eliminate the chance of someone else competeing with a better product. Then we are forced into an Apple way of life. Locked in to no extendable memory, unreplaceable batteries, and no usable file structure.

blankd3ckskat3r said:
He might be a genious but he's a scumbag and so is every one of his employees. I for one am sick of hearing about this company. They make crap products at way over the top prices. The iPhone revelotionized phones but if u think abut it, its 5 year old technology making it seem like its new. Its ridiculous, its an idiots phone.
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I agree partly. I think Jobs should quit being a greedy ***** and be happy in being a leader and innovator of a piece of history. I guess the family of Henry Ford should start suing all of the other current car makers for producing a mobile vehicle with an engine, and then while he is at it he can sue everyone that uses a production line. Maybe the Wright brothers should sue all plane makers. I mean come on, move on and make something even more innovative Jobs if youre such a "genius"!

mercado79 said:
...though hopefully in the end some of their overly broad and generic patents will get invalidated.
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Sorry, but this is the whole point of writing patents. Make it as broad and generic as possible so you have a stronghold over your IP. You make more money that way ...
Its probably multi-touch related, which is what Apple's gone after everyone else for. They'll settle, and HTC will license Apple's patent and go about their business.

I'm kind of curious to see if this pushes back the date of us getting 2.1 for our phones honestly. Also gizmodo has the list of patents that there going after. http://gizmodo.com/5483632/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-on-20-iphone-patents

kbizzle said:
I agree partly. I think Jobs should quit being a greedy ***** and be happy in being a leader and innovator of a piece of history. I guess the family of Henry Ford should start suing all of the other current car makers for producing a mobile vehicle with an engine, and then while he is at it he can sue everyone that uses a production line. Maybe the Wright brothers should sue all plane makers. I mean come on, move on and make something even more innovative Jobs if youre such a "genius"!
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Now that I do agree with!
It amazes me that apple technology was so far ahead of the game that it has taken other companys this long to catch up with them! They are so used to being at the top when someone else comes along they get scared, and yes i would agree that it is greed, but they would not be where they are without said greed!
And no I am not an apple fanboy, I don't even own an apple product! I just have lots of respect for guys like Steve Jobs, and Bill Gates, they are innovators and do what needs to be done to stay that way! Anyone that can take a company like apple and turn it around like Steve Jobs is a stud in my book!

Gizmodo has the full list of infringement
gizmodo.com/5483632/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-on-20-iphone-patents
None of the infringements are related to multitouch. I don't think apple even owns that patent, multitouch wasn't invented by them.
This law suit is just full of ****. "Swiping to unlock the screen?" basically all touchscreen phones have that feature now.

xdarkfluxx said:
Gizmodo has the full list of infringement
gizmodo.com/5483632/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-on-20-iphone-patents
None of the infringements are related to multitouch. I don't think apple even owns that patent, multitouch wasn't invented by them.
This law suit is just full of ****. "Swiping to unlock the screen?" basically all touchscreen phones have that feature now.
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And what about all of the devs that have created swipe to unlock software? Is he gonna nitpick at them too? "Come here humble dev, let me smack your hand for taking our idea and making it better!"

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Apple Suing HTC over 20 patents

If you haven't heard of it already, Apple has slapped HTC with a lawsuit today for violating ~20 patents.
They're trying for a permanent injunction to disallow any future HTC handset imports into the US.
Wow. Seems like someone's scared. What do you guys think about this?
If this keeps me from getting my Supersonic, so help me...
http://androidandme.com/2010/03/news/rotten-apple-htc-sued-over-20-patents/
Whoops, just saw a similar post a few below mine...I skimmed at first and didn't see anything...mods please delete this

what did we expect steve jobs is a douche... apple is scared of android and its biggest phone producer of android devices. This is why I hate apple, they reinvented the game and now are doing what they hate microsoft for. Tryin to control the market and make **** stagnant an dull

I posted this same response on SprintUsers but I'm so disgusted with this I couldn't help but copy and paste it here.
"How very pathetic.
The only Apple product I have ever bought was my girlfriends iPod.
It's not enough that they have sold more phones than anyone now they want to monopolize the market?
I hated having no option but to install itunes just to be able to use her ipod. Just sad.
Apple is going on my boycott list along with McDonald's, WalMart, and a few others.
Whether they win or lose this suit it's official; I will NEVER purchase another product made by Apple, ever."

Just a heads up, the mods already locked one topic about this in this forum as another topic about it existed elsewhere:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=640835

**** Apple.
They are looking for a permanent injuction, which could affect future sales of phones here.
I am so sick of Apple.
Check this
http://gizmodo.com/5483914/steve-jobs-1996-good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal
The guy is a ****ing prick.
I am selling my macbook and ipod as soon as I find decent alternatives.
I wish Google OS was polished and out.

Apple got it's paradigm to replace MSDOS from Xerox, Google it.
How quickly they forget, if it wasn't for the gift from Xerox, apple wouldn't be.
So it seems a new industry of bootlegged / home brew phones could be around the corner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU <----- Steve Jobs is a cockbite.
I don't understand why they're going after HTC and none of the 25 or so other companies doing the exact same thing.

gthing said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU <----- Steve Jobs is a cockbite.
I don't understand why they're going after HTC and none of the 25 or so other companies doing the exact same thing.
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Cause apple invented touchscreens, downloading apps, muti-touch....lol.

apple is salty because they became a victim of their own success...and now they are nervous that everyone is going to surpass them...which google will

gthing said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU <----- Steve Jobs is a cockbite.
I don't understand why they're going after HTC and none of the 25 or so other companies doing the exact same thing.
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HTC is the big money in the Android game right now, they'll sue Moto next. Apple wants to ride the Android train, but Apple users just typically aren't smart enough for a device smarter than them.

Konikub said:
Cause apple invented touchscreens, downloading apps, muti-touch....lol.
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Wow....guess I don't know as much about technology as I thought. Cause I was downloading applications on Windows 3.11 with 28.8 kb/s internet connection back in 93 or so....Didn't know apple invented that. Guess I need to start paying more attention. And I thought I was playing video poker on touchscreens and signing for packages on a touch-pad quite a while back too. Apple kicks ass, inventing all this **** and keeping it on the DL.

this is fun. apple has filed anything and everything under patents. people wonder why no one can beat the iphone. a device that cant even multitask. my moto razr did better than the iphone. the problem is that the fine line between profit and loss is extremely small when you get sued and knowing how apple goes about things they will take htc for the profit they earned. i have faith though. htc has some very very talented people including lawyers. they didnt implement the technology that apple patented without knowledge of how to beat it.
thats my .02 cents.

Avalaunchmods said:
this is fun. apple has filed anything and everything under patents. people wonder why no one can beat the iphone. a device that cant even multitask. my moto razr did better than the iphone. the problem is that the fine line between profit and loss is extremely small when you get sued and knowing how apple goes about things they will take htc for the profit they earned. i have faith though. htc has some very very talented people including lawyers. they didnt implement the technology that apple patented without knowledge of how to beat it.
thats my .02 cents.
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they didnt implement the technology that apple patented without knowledge of how to beat it.
TRUE. i was thinking the same thing..

yea apple is feeling the pressure from google and HTC so they are going to go after HTC ... HA
apple taking on htc and nokia is a mistake i hope the judge ***** slaps apple

The stupidity of Apple never ceases to amaze me. Palm had touch screen technology LONG before Apple, yet you don't see Palm crying like little *****es. I hope Nokia, MS, Google, Palm, and Cisco all take turns telling Steve Jobs to STFU and then hopefully his turtleneck would strangle him for us.
Wishful thinking.

haha yea hopefully the judges all had bad experiences with iphones cauwse then they will hop in the STFU setve line

pseudoremora said:
The stupidity of Apple never ceases to amaze me. Palm had touch screen technology LONG before Apple, yet you don't see Palm crying like little *****es. I hope Nokia, MS, Google, Palm, and Cisco all take turns telling Steve Jobs to STFU and then hopefully his turtleneck would strangle him for us.
Wishful thinking.
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OMG Does he ever change clothes! lol One can only hope that that stupid looking turtleneck will get wrapped up tight in his sleep one night ( as he tosses and turns, loosing sleep because Android is kicking his beloved iphones ass) and choke him to death.

im suprised they didnt go for palm first...cause didnt a bunch of apple devs go to palm a couple years back?

I wouldn't call it technology more like. features

BrianDigital said:
I wouldn't call it technology more like. features
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well according to patents, "multitouch"
"A computer-implemented method for use in conjunction with a computing device with a touch screen display comprises: detecting one or more finger contacts with the touch screen display, applying one or more heuristics to the one or more finger contacts to determine a command for the device, and processing the command. The one or more heuristics comprise: a heuristic for determining that the one or more finger contacts correspond to a one-dimensional vertical screen scrolling command, a heuristic for determining that the one or more finger contacts correspond to a two-dimensional screen translation command, and a heuristic for determining that the one or more finger contacts correspond to a command to transition from displaying a respective item in a set of items to displaying a next item in the set of items."
which is a technology for some reason. funny as hell that steve jobs is listed as one of the inventors. i think htc beat this lawsuit by only implementing while you perform an action and as you see that is not in the patent. so the only time multitouch is used is when it detects two fingers moving away or towards one another which is not a command.
gotta love America

Bad TouchWiz? Apple sues Samsung for patent violations

"Apple is continuing its crusade against competitors that it believes are ripping off its ideas. The company filed a lawsuit against Samsung on Monday, alleging that the electronics giant violated Apple's intellectual property in its Android-powered devices like the Galaxy Tab, Nexus S, and Epic 4G."
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Lulz. That's all I have to say - though I don't know who I'm lulzing at. Is it Apple, for their complete BS lawsuit, or is it Samsung, for TouchWiz which is **** and a half?

F****** apple sueing everyone, next hes going to sue the users for not using an apple product. lol

As much as I hate these types of lawsuits, I do hate the way manufacturers have blatantly copied iOS elements. TouchWiz is crap, and "being like the iPhone" is not what is cool. Enough.

Its all about the Benjamin's baby!
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Apple, even if its lawsuit has merit, is ****ing itself over with possibly THE biggest supplier of high end screen and other components in the world. Not everything they do is brilliant. Case in point.

****ing Apple...

DroidApprentice said:
Apple, even if its lawsuit has merit, is ****ing itself over with possibly THE biggest supplier of high end screen and other components in the world. Not everything they do is brilliant. Case in point.
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Unfortunately, Apple has such enormous orders that if Samsung said FU, they'd be hurting themselves more than Apple. Apple could go to anyone and get what they need - hell, they could build their own fabs and do it themselves.

Jeez apple. They're not even THAT similar! The only similarity is the app drawer with the box around the icons! Big whoop!
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k0nane said:
Unfortunately, Apple has such enormous orders that if Samsung said FU, they'd be hurting themselves more than Apple. Apple could go to anyone and get what they need - hell, they could build their own fabs and do it themselves.
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That's cool. If Facebook can now redesign its own servers, Apple can make absolutely all its own phone and tablet components too. Meanwhile Samsung will supply all Apple's competitors and the Apple shareholders can ask Black Turtleneck God why cash reserves have dropped so precipitously so fast.
Apple is either going to have to sue everybody (oh wait, maybe they are) since all seem equally guilty to me for ripping them off, or actually try to compete through the innovation they're supposedly so good at.

i agree they copied iOS a little too closely. unfortunatly for apple most people hate touchwiz

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"Apple is continuing its crusade against competitors that it believes are ripping off its ideas. The company filed a lawsuit against Samsung on Monday, alleging that the electronics giant violated Apple's intellectual property in its Android-powered devices like the Galaxy Tab, Nexus S, and Epic 4G."
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Lulz. That's all I have to say - though I don't know who I'm lulzing at. Is it Apple, for their complete BS lawsuit, or is it Samsung, for TouchWiz which is **** and a half?
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So...when is Apple going to sue the super markets for selling Apples and Macintosh's without paying royalty?

DroidApprentice said:
That's cool. If Facebook can now redesign its own servers, Apple can make absolutely all its own phone and tablet components too. Meanwhile Samsung will supply all Apple's competitors and the Apple shareholders can ask Black Turtleneck God why cash reserves have dropped so precipitously so fast.
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I'm far from an Apple fanboy, but you really don't give them enough credit. That's all I'm going to say.

k0nane said:
I'm far from an Apple fanboy, but you really don't give them enough credit. That's all I'm going to say.
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I am going to have to disagree on that, while Apple has a tremendous amount of money at their disposal, they can't afford to go a year or two without making a phone/ipod while their factories are built. They rely on outside sources for pretty much everything, to attempt to become completely self reliant would be a bone-headed move and would absolutely kill their stocks.

They are not going to build their own factories...its VERY hard and expensive...most just buy the factories from others and recycle them. Most likely though Apple will just go with someone else in worst case senario..like LG, Sony, Toshiba etc..
Apple makes Samsung electronics biggest customer, a swap would hurt both of them tremendesly.
They are not going to split their business over this though...its far too insignificant...it might even be on purpose to have Samsung and Apple cross license each others patents and then let Apple have leverage over other Android makers...like M$ sued HTC that time..

Apple is a more innovative company than Samsung and everyone owes Apple a lot. There, I said it.
Now that I said it, the pathetic thing about this suit is that by the time Sammy has to pay up and/or dump Touchwiz--which they would do without many tears--and Apple has wasted its own time and money, iOS 7.0 will be out which will be holographic 3D scratch n sniff. ;-)

people seem to forget that apple used to use their own processors and switched over to intel only a few years ago. now they concentrate on being artists
lazy edit: after writing that i realized that they probably had another company making the chips for them...

murso74 said:
people seem to forget that apple used to use their own processors and switched over to intel only a few years ago. now they concentrate on being artists
lazy edit: after writing that i realized that they probably had another company making the chips for them...
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Apple has never built their own silicon.

I like apple and all, but geez... how many "innovative" ways really are there to show application shortcuts?
Apple makes solid products, no doubt, and you definitely get what you pay for (albeit at a premium price), but I think they are going a little crazy lately. I mean, c'mon, suing amazon for calling it the "amazon appstore" because apple coined the term "appstore" first? really apple? is that really stealing your thunder?

murso74 said:
people seem to forget that apple used to use their own processors and switched over to intel only a few years ago. now they concentrate on being artists
lazy edit: after writing that i realized that they probably had another company making the chips for them...
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you mean the IBM PowerPC chips?

Stevie's just upset that it won't be long before Android market share passes iOS. Gotta do something! It must be cheaper and more profitable to milk the same turd for 4 years and sue people than to actually design a new phone

Samsung Sues Apple

Looks like Samsung is ready to return the favor:
Washington Post Article

Karma is a *****
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I'm not so sure Apple should have gone after them like that. Sammy has the most patents in the US next to IBM and a lot of those are cell phone patents. Why was Apple so intent on biting the hand that feeds them. Yes, I see the similarities in the phone and somewhat in the UI but not to the extent of suing them the amount of product that was purchased from Sammy.

We all knew this was to come... and to someone who said Samsung was one of the most patent-maker companies... thanks for the info, i really didn't know that.
Anyways, Apple is sure to lose this, because Samsung filed like 6 back at them, from like 4 countries lol

Yup Like I said in a previous posting, This is nuisance suing because you have no other way to slow the competition down from running you over. and for Samsung, this is just a speed bump. Apple is going to have A LOT of market share loss over the next 2 years, and suing will not change that..........Watch how Apple will come out and play the victim........ LoL they are such putz's

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Yup Like I said in a previous posting, This is nuisance suing because you have no other way to slow the competition down from running you over. and for Samsung, this is just a speed bump. Apple is going to have A LOT of market share loss over the next 2 years, and suing will not change that..........Watch how Apple will come out and play the victim........ LoL they are such putz's
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What is incredible is how a multitouch patent was given to apple,when multitouch screen dates back to the early 80's and was the university of Toronto who first made one.
Even better Apple doesn't make touch screen or any kind of LCD they are not manufacturers of hardware they buy it.
I think they are mistaken by the fact that they were the first to do it on a cellphone,but that doesn't mean the patent is their.
Nintendo did rumble on consoles before any one else did,but the patent wasn't theirs,in fact Sony and MS pay money to a company know for patent infringement for rumble on controllers even that no other company before Nintendo had done that.
I think is the whole flawed system of patent which allow for this kind of craps,i may as well patent taking photos of unknown planets out side this world.
And Samsung fire back with hey we have the patent to connect phones to PC by USB..haha
Apple suck so much i don't know how people put up with their crap.

eltormo you are correct but application patents are what companies use to create useless lawsuits. And, if you have alot of money you can afford to do this. The fact that apple sued microsoft for the use of windows or Graphic User Interface was also a joke. This was invented by Stanford Univ. for their teachers.....go figure

I hope sammy takes a big bite out of that apple.

apple is going down

Plus one jazzy!

You're all correct. Apple is only doing this because of how Android and Samsung are doing so well. Just a means to slow the competition.
Its just funny to me to Steve Jobs shake in his boots. He thought apple was unstoppable. He's wrong. Just like how he said flash was "old technology " and didn't want it on his phones. Then he realized he was dumb and went crawling to adobe to get flash working on his OS. LOL
He's a tool. And his business strategy is weal now. Especially cuz of Android. I personally know probably around 15 people who were isheep. Once they seen my phone they all switched to Android
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eminembdg said:
You're all correct. Apple is only doing this because of how Android and Samsung are doing so well. Just a means to slow the competition.
Its just funny to me to Steve Jobs shake in his boots. He thought apple was unstoppable. He's wrong. Just like how he said flash was "old technology " and didn't want it on his phones. Then he realized he was dumb and went crawling to adobe to get flash working on his OS. LOL
He's a tool. And his business strategy is weal now. Especially cuz of Android. I personally know probably around 15 people who were isheep. Once they seen my phone they all switched to Android
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this thread is old.
Samsung and Apple according to yesterdays Engadet article are solving the sueing issue OUT of court.

Android & Apple in the news :p

Thoughts ??
Things like this goes on all the time... usually a hefty fine takes care of things
Although Android is by Google... why is Apple sueing HTC ??
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...y_spell_trouble_for_other_android_makers.html

UnicornKaz said:
Thoughts ??
Things like this goes on all the time... usually a hefty fine takes care of things
Although Android is by Google... why is Apple sueing HTC ??
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...y_spell_trouble_for_other_android_makers.html
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Apple is always suing nowadays. Which is completely retarded. Jobs likes to say it's better to steal than to copy or invent, yet his company is constantly trying to stop other companies from doing what he did. He's the biggest hypocrite and I feel terribly for his children that will probably end up with a load of mental problems (just like daddy).

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Apple is always suing nowadays. Which is completely retarded. Jobs likes to say it's better to steal than to copy or invent, yet his company is constantly trying to stop other companies from doing what he did. He's the biggest hypocrite and I feel terribly for his children that will probably end up with a load of mental problems (just like daddy).
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Best comment ever!!!!

UnicornKaz said:
Thoughts ??
Things like this goes on all the time... usually a hefty fine takes care of things
Although Android is by Google... why is Apple sueing HTC ??
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...y_spell_trouble_for_other_android_makers.html
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They're suing HTC because HTC became owners of S3 Graphics and Apple infringes on S3's patents. It's a preemptive strike to force HTC into settlement.
It's sort of a test the waters thing....Notice the timing. If they win, great! Because they get to snuff HTC out for a bit in the U.S until the appeals go to court. This could block HTC from getting phones into the U.S when the rumored iPhone 4S/iPhone 5 is released. If they lose, they can keep trying and tying HTC up...it is likely HTC WILL settle and some deal will be made so Apple is 'safe' using the S3 patents and HTC is safe using the Apple patents.
I'm sure on some level Apple is threatened by HTCs growth, I mean they have truly boomed big time in terms of sales and sheer proliferation of devices. There's not 1, but several HTC devices on every carrier and now they are making tablets too. The price of being popular is becoming a blip on Apple's suedar.
Google isn't liable for any of these lawsuits because they don't make a device and they don't sell Android. Any problem with the licensing falls to manuf. primarily who sell devices with Android on them. Microsoft is also going after device manuf. which use Android because it also owns patents that Android 'infringes' on. Don't get me wrong, they CAN go after Google but it would be a long drawn out mess that wouldn't benefit them in the least. It is better to go after the smaller guys who are likely to settle in the form of royalties or cross-patents with snazzy patents they may own themselves.
In the end, it's just business. It's deceptive, sneaky and ugly, but it's business.

Bottom line, Apple's feeling the heat & very threatened .

Pathetic....