Read on a local forums that the 6P has QFuse. He has the device. What does does mean for development? All I know about QFuses is that once it is blown, you can't go back to the original state.
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/97415852-post1515.html
Bro, you should have put this in general forum ley
bradputt said:
Bro, you should have put this in general forum ley
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Figured this was the right subforums :angel:
its just a switch. a non-reversible switch. it's used for a single purpose - warranty claims. if you unlock your bootloader and your device "suddenly" becomes unresponsive, manufacturers have the right to deny your warranty claim.
google's nexus program typically does not follow this rule as they encourage the development and use of their devices, but as they work to make android more secure, i would not put it past them to start down the same path as the rest of the OEMs. Moto has stated that they will void your warranty if you unlock the bootloader on the XPE, even though they offer you the path to do so.
its a security risk and google should offer a path to root without compromising your system's integrity.
640k said:
its just a switch. a non-reversible switch. it's used for a single purpose - warranty claims. if you unlock your bootloader and your device "suddenly" becomes unresponsive, manufacturers have the right to deny your warranty claim.
google's nexus program typically does not follow this rule as they encourage the development and use of their devices, but as they work to make android more secure, i would not put it past them to start down the same path as the rest of the OEMs. Moto has stated that they will void your warranty if you unlock the bootloader on the XPE, even though they offer you the path to do so.
its a security risk and google should offer a path to root without compromising your system's integrity.
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They cannot deny your warranty for hardware issues once the fuse is blown.
US law prevents the denial; The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. Look at Moto's back pedal after it was posted that it was against federal law to deny warranty claims for unrelated issues.
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They cannot deny your warranty for hardware issues once the fuse is blown.
US law prevents the denial; The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. Look at Moto's back pedal after it was posted that it was against federal law to deny warranty claims for unrelated issues.
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got a link? when the XPE launched, they flip-flopped and then it was "official". i just assumed they kept their stance.
i know for the '13/'14 X developer editions they tried the same thing and then changed their minds.
Well US laws does not help people outside the US. Has Google every publicly stated that hardware issues with Nexus devices will be services, regardless if the bootloader is unlocked or not?
in the past, they've been good about warranties. i've heard many levels of success stories when dealing with Google directly (vs. buying through third party, amazon, etc.).
qfuse enabled usually means that secure boot is on.. nothing to do with unlocking the bootloader. just about all phones have this set. secure boot enabled forces phone to have signed bootloader. oem unlock enables unsigned boot.img's.. but still requires signed bootloader.
has anyone checked for the qfuse enabled/disabled BEFORE unlocking?
I've seen an image with it enabled as a stock phone (the thread with the guy answering questions)
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This thread which had some different dialouge going has been closed since it's being disccused here http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/qfuse-n6p-t3229465 is anyone able to comment on if having qfuse triggered does break anything like finger print reading or are we just looking at warranty coverage issues?
This is interesting...I was going to unlock the bootloader upon receiving my device so I can set it up and root later...but here is the something I have noticed-the pic in this article: http://pocketnow.com/2015/10/20/nexus-6p-bootloader#!prettyPhoto the bootloader is locked and qfuse status is enabled
On this one here: http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...owing-off-usb-type-c-port-and-snapdragon-810/
the bootloader is unlocked and the qfuse status is also enabled...it doesn't state anything about ''fuse blown'' or a permanent counter anywhere...
I guess we will have to wait and see-but I want to be able to root my device without voiding warranty and still be able to use the fingerprint scanner...
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This is interesting...I was going to unlock the bootloader upon receiving my device so I can set it up and root later...but here is the something I have noticed-the pic in this article: http://pocketnow.com/2015/10/20/nexus-6p-bootloader#!prettyPhoto the bootloader is locked and qfuse status is enabled
On this one here: http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...owing-off-usb-type-c-port-and-snapdragon-810/
the bootloader is unlocked and the qfuse status is also enabled...it doesn't state anything about ''fuse blown'' or a permanent counter anywhere...
I guess we will have to wait and see-but I want to be able to root my device without voiding warranty and still be able to use the fingerprint scanner...
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That's a great observation! Although I guess it's possible they trip the qfuse upon oem lock? Hopeful that this is all just people overreacting...
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That's a great observation! Although I guess it's possible they trip the qfuse upon oem lock? Hopeful that this is all just people overreacting...
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I am hoping! This is never been an issue with a nexus device-that i why we buy nexus devices-we want the root access and we want to customize them...Google knows it-hopefully this won't affect us much...
Pecata said:
I am hoping! This is never been an issue with a nexus device-that i why we buy nexus devices-we want the root access and we want to customize them...Google knows it-hopefully this won't affect us much...
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Yeah I doubt Google would honestly try to deny a warranty claim for an obvious hardware defect if your bootloader was unlocked or the qfuse blown, but I guess it'd be of more concern if people bought directly from Huawei and what their stance is, if in fact the qfuse does get blown.
If QFuse is going to break anything like the finger print reader or your warranty then why would Google give you the official instructions on how to unlock the bootloader?
https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
boxcar8028 said:
If QFuse is going to break anything like the finger print reader or your warranty then why would Google give you the official instructions on how to unlock the bootloader?
https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
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That's what I am thinking....but then why put the qfuse in a first place?
Ron Amadeo (Ars Technica) has confirmed that bootloader unlock does NOT break Nexus Imprint.
https://plus.google.com/+RonAmadeo/posts
First post.
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Ron Amadeo (Ars Technica) has confirmed that bootloader unlock does NOT break Nexus Imprint.
https://plus.google.com/+RonAmadeo/posts
First post.
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Great news!
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Ron Amadeo (Ars Technica) has confirmed that bootloader unlock does NOT break Nexus Imprint.
https://plus.google.com/+RonAmadeo/posts
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That's a relief! Unlocking does not affect the fingerprint scanner, nor does it disable Android Pay?
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Hello! If I root my Nexus 10 without unlocking the bootloader, will the warranty be voided or not? I think it will be voided only if the bootloader is unlocked, but it will be better if someone confirms it. Thank you!
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Hello! If I root my Nexus 10 without unlocking the bootloader, will the warranty be voided or not? I think it will be voided only if the bootloader is unlocked, but it will be better if someone confirms it. Thank you!
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IIRC the warranty on a Nexus device is more lenient because... well... it's a Nexus. Any warranty claims for physical hardware issues should still be accepted since it has nothing to do with the software. It's also extremely easy to return to stock and relock the bootloader so even if you do need to send it in for repair, they'll never know.
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IIRC the warranty on a Nexus device is more lenient because... well... it's a Nexus. Any warranty claims for physical hardware issues should still be accepted since it has nothing to do with the software. It's also extremely easy to return to stock and relock the bootloader so even if you do need to send it in for repair, they'll never know.
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Your best bet is to always restore to stock before making a warranty claim. A while ago I remember reading about an Asus user who's headphone port was no longer working but Asus voided the warranty due to the device being rooted. I know that's a pretty different scenario but some warranty reps will find any reason to void your device so they don't have to pay. Always better to be safe than sorry I guess.
As was said before don't worry about rooting, it is extremely easy to get back to stock and since it is a Nexus device you have a ton of failsafe options in case something does happen to go wrong,
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What is the KNOX?
To understand we must read this:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/mobile/solution/security/samsung-knox
And this:
https://www.samsungknox.com/overview/technical-details
"The Galaxy Note 3 already supports KNOX by default"
I really dont get it...you buy a phone but you dont own it (almost)? See HERE a opinion by a member.
This Thread also is important: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2447832
And You, will buy a Galaxy Note 3?
ValenteL said:
What is the KNOX?
To understand we must read this:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/mobile/solution/security/samsung-knox
And this:
https://www.samsungknox.com/overview/technical-details
"The Galaxy Note 3 already supports KNOX by default"
I really dont get it...you buy a phone but you d'ont own it (almost)? See HERE a opinion by a member.
This Thread also is important: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2447832
And You, will buy a Galaxy Note 3?
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Probably the main reason behind not to decide yet to buy it. For me is a BIG ISSUE. I have always rooted my phone, and have installed many ROMS, for me, is a MUST. I am buying a hardware not a software.
95% of mobile device owners don't even know what a bootloader is and could care less. Almost 100% of companies with BYOD policies don't let rooted and unlocked phones on their networks whether or not they have Knox.
You're also confusing Knox for consumers and Knox for business. On the consumer side activating Knox is totally optional and when left unactivated makes the N3 just like all Samsung's previous devices. There are real benefits of Knox to people that don't care about bootloaders being locked. You can prevent the phone from being wiped if it's lost and stolen and can hide sensitive files you don't want people to see in a seperate container on your phone.
Here's the overview of how Knox works for consumers...
https://www.samsungknox.com/knox-consumer
For XDA Knox stands to bring with it some real negatives. Including a new warranty status method that can't be reset. So the 5% of people that want to unlock their bootloader and flash non-stock s/w without affecting their warranty have a right to be pissed about Knox. But the 95% that don't care and corporate IT departments with BYOD will be thrilled with it.
BarryH_GEG said:
95% of mobile device owners don't even know what a bootloader is and could care less. Almost 100% of companies with BYOD policies don't let rooted and unlocked phones on their networks whether or not they have Knox.
You're also confusing Knox for consumers and Knox for business. On the consumer side activating Knox is totally optional and when left unactivated makes the N3 just like all Samsung's previous devices. There are real benefits of Knox to people that don't care about bootloaders being locked. You can prevent the phone from being wiped if it's lost and stolen and can hide sensitive files you don't want people to see in a seperate container on your phone.
Here's the overview of how Knox works for consumers...
https://www.samsungknox.com/knox-consumer
For XDA Knox stands to bring with it some real negatives. Including a new warranty status method that can't be reset. So the 5% of people that want to unlock their bootloader and flash non-stock s/w without affecting their warranty have a right to be pissed about Knox. But the 95% that don't care and corporate IT departments with BYOD will be thrilled with it.
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In the end, if we are talking only about the loss of the guarantee, it is a fair fee for changing the characteristics of the instrument. After all, no one is saying that the manufacturer refuses to fully service the smartphone - for your money every whim. It's time to learn how to make decisions and to take responsibility ...
Finding about this issue has just knocked the N3 from the top of my upgrade choices. Not happy at all.
Looks almost like a kicked up refreshed version of hboot on HTC devices. Anybody else get that feel?
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Was unaware of this.... Wow... idk... I pre-ordered and have been stoked for months... I'm hurting inside.
You guys are mis-understanding what Samsung Knox is.
I'll let Apple explain it
http://www.apple.com/iphone/business/it-center/deployment-mdm.html
We'll see about that. Judging from what I've read on the S4 forum, it looks like you're buying a device without a warranty.
(If you have no intention to root or mod your Note 3, what are you doing reading on this forum?)
Or to paraphrase the Google search page, are you feeling lucky?
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designgears said:
You guys are mis-understanding what Samsung Knox is.
I'll let Apple explain it
http://www.apple.com/iphone/business/it-center/deployment-mdm.html
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Well, why not? I see. This is what will make the device according to the personal. At once and for all ...
Rooting voids the warranty. Anyone in there position wouldn't care about the 5% who void their warranty then try to get around it and still have it covered.
So it's harder to scam a company into covering it under warranty? Oh well... we all full well now we are voiding our warranty every time we root.
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We'll see about that. Judging from what I've read on the S4 forum, it looks like you're buying a device without a warranty.
(If you have no intention to root or mod your Note 3, what are you doing reading on this forum?)
Or to paraphrase the Google search page, are you feeling lucky?
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The Samsung has no obligation to xda. And we have a choice - to lose warranty or shake for it. The validity of that to pay for everything. And the phrase "I do buy the hardware and not a soft" - fundamental error ..
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Rooting voids the warranty. Anyone in there position wouldn't care about the 5% who void their warranty then try to get around it and still have it covered.
So it's harder to scam a company into covering it under warranty? Oh well... we all full well now we are voiding our warranty every time we root.
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Yes and no. Pretty much all of Samsung's devices have had some form of flash counter in them. Plenty of people who root their devices and don't use Triangle Away have returned the phone for service, and Samsung fixed it anyway. I recall one guy saying has flash counter on his Note 2 was over 100 and they still fixed it without blinking an eye.
The legal side is questionable too - Samsung can put any clauses they want in their warranty agreement, but even if you were to agree to them in writing they wouldn't necessarily be enforceable. I don't know if anyone has ever had reason to test it, but if they refused service on my device I'd be expecting them to be able to justify with reasonable certainty that the fault was caused (at least indirectly) by running non-standard software on the device. I suspect if this were tested in court they would have a hard time enforcing it. In reality the non-rooting clause cannot render the device void of all warranty, but if the software needs to be reinstalled by them because of a faulty flash or to rectify a problem caused by rooting, they can still charge you for that.
Same way Dell can't void the warranty on my laptop if I load Linux on it........
* This is based on the terms of statutory warranty in the country of purchase. So in some jurisdictions the vendor has more freedom to add limitations.
So it's going to be impossible/hard to root this phone with the KNOX security? Is it going to be totally impossible to do it?
I am totally addicted to ROOTING my phone and installing Custom ROMs s this is going to be a deal breaker for me if it's not possible.
Quasar83 said:
So it's going to be impossible/hard to root this phone with the KNOX security? Is it going to be totally impossible to do it?
I am totally addicted to ROOTING my phone and installing Custom ROMs s this is going to be a deal breaker for me if it's not possible.
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You can still do it nothing is stopping you, you just void warranty
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In the end, if we are talking only about the loss of the guarantee, it is a fair fee for changing the characteristics of the instrument. After all, no one is saying that the manufacturer refuses to fully service the smartphone - for your money every whim. It's time to learn how to make decisions and to take responsibility ...
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Well said Sir :good:
Rocheau said:
I am buying a hardware not a software.
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well if you want to buy a phone without software I wish you luck
Xalies said:
You can still do it nothing is stopping you, you just void warranty
Well said Sir :good:
well if you want to buy a phone without software I wish you luck
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Do not need the bloatware offered by Samsung. Cynogenmod 10.2 is just fine for me.
Xalies said:
You can still do it nothing is stopping you, you just void warranty
Well said Sir :good:
well if you want to buy a phone without software I wish you luck
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Thank God! I don't care if I void my warranty add long as I can install custom ROMs
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Does anyone else sense de ja vu here when the note 1/2 first came out....we had no way at first to reset the flash counter
Regardless if KNOX is "different", i blindly have much faith in our awesome developers to eventually be able to do something about it by the time i would need warranty
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Does anyone else sense de ja vu here when the note 1/2 first came out....we had no way at first to reset the flash counter
Regardless if KNOX is "different", i blindly have much faith in our awesome developers to eventually be able to do something about it by the time i would need warranty
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You do not understand the basic. This technology Samsung KNOX ® has one goal - to tie the device to one particular user. That is, the device will not be a secondary market, as the user can not be removed. This means that the whole story is not vulnerable device, basically ...
p.s. I think that's why this technology has been approved by the Ministry of Defense USA. Or maybe I just being paranoid ...
In the EU rooting does not void warranty. I work at an official samsung cervice centre and we must fix softbricked phones at no cost since the updated licence.
link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
re: APK Parse error 'solution'
I've seen at least two 'solutions' to the APK parsing error on the Moto G by using ES File explorer and setting the Root Explorer to 'ON'. Unfortunately you can't set it to ON! LOL
All you get is a message saying "Sorry, test. failed.This feature cannot run on your device".
Presumably those suggesting this have root access already? Similary with moving .apks to elsewhere in the system and running it from there. Doesn't work either, because you can't copy files there due to RW permissions!
Hopefully, we will get an OTA update soon to cure the problem once and for all, like some have in I think it was France or Germany?
You can put those files in Google Drive and you can install from there with no problem
ALSO
A reset of your phone will resolve your problem OR you can flash the latest firmware available on Europe 14.91.11 ( http://sbf.droid-developers.org/phone.php?device=14 ) or you can wait for the small OTA update that will bump your phone to the same version.
^ this steps will remove all the data from your device, but you can acomplish all of this without rooting or unlocking your bootloader (warranty won't be voided)
Also the kitkat is out now....
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MrWhatever said:
I've seen at least two 'solutions' to the APK parsing error on the Moto G by using ES File explorer and setting the Root Explorer to 'ON'. Unfortunately you can't set it to ON! LOL
All you get is a message saying "Sorry, test. failed.This feature cannot run on your device".
Presumably those suggesting this have root access already? Similary with moving .apks to elsewhere in the system and running it from there. Doesn't work either, because you can't copy files there due to RW permissions!
Hopefully, we will get an OTA update soon to cure the problem once and for all, like some have in I think it was France or Germany?
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What LOL???
why the 'solutions' in quotes?? you think they don't work for root users??
The solutions regarding the use of a Root Explorer, which you can use ES to be, and which can be performed by any other number of Root Browsers or Explorers, all presuppose that those attempting these solutions have got root privileges....
I mean, the clue is in the title....Root....
how can you hope to carry out system wide operations in a Linux system without root privileges??
BTW, there is another step in ES to be carried out, other than toggling Root ON....you need to make system partitions R/W....they are RO by default in latest ES....
investigate that yourself, it's easy.
LOL indeed!!!
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What LOL??? at your own stupidity??
why the 'solutions' in quotes?? you think they don't work for root users??
The solutions regarding the use of a Root Explorer, which you can use ES to be, and which can be performed by any other number of Root Browsers or Explorers, all presuppose that those attempting these solutions have got root privileges....
I mean, the clue is in the title....Root....
how can you hope to carry out system wide operations in a Linux system without root privileges??
BTW, there is another step in ES to be carried out, other than toggling Root ON....you need to make system partitions R/W....they are RO by default in latest ES....
investigate that yourself, it's easy.
LOL indeed!!!
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Yes, the presupposition of this particular solution is indeed that you have root privileges. Correct my 'stupidity', but obtaining root privileges requires an unlocked bootloader? However, a lot of people here don't want to risk voiding their warranties by doing so. I also have the battery problem, where it suddenly dropped to 0% and it might be going back to Tesco. So, to them, and me, it's not a 'solution'.
Yes, uploading to Google Drive works fine here. Factory reset doesn't work here (opting out of Moto Care) though.Why does a factory reset work for some people anyway?
You can also try installing apks from external USB stick.
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Yes, the presupposition of this particular solution is indeed that you have root privileges. Correct my 'stupidity', but obtaining root privileges requires an unlocked bootloader? However, a lot of people here don't want to risk voiding their warranties by doing so. I also have the battery problem, where it suddenly dropped to 0% and it might be going back to Tesco. So, to them, and me, it's not a 'solution'.
Yes, uploading to Google Drive works fine here. Factory reset doesn't work here (opting out of Moto Care) though.Why does a factory reset work for some people anyway?
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I'm sorry friend, I should have not called you stupid, it does nobody any good to hurl abuse....
However, just look at what you posted, as in your first line:
I've seen at least two 'solutions' to the APK parsing error on the Moto G by using ES File explorer and setting the Root Explorer to 'ON'. Unfortunately you can't set it to ON! LOL
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Perhaps you should also reflect on the use of LOL, when the laugh is on you, really, you have even said the word root in that opening sentence!!!
If you are going to use a root explorer, it does indeed presuppose you have root.....does it not??
So, the solutions are perfectly valid, and should not be subjected to LOL and 'quotes', do you agree?? It was your misunderstanding.
BTW, unlocking your bootloader and rooting do not invalidate your statutory rights, which you have in the UK, and in my country, unless the retailer can show that by unlocking the BL, or rooting you have caused actual damage.
These rights are guaranteed by your Trading Standards, for up to six years, and are also guaranteed by EU directives, which give an EU consumer a statutory two year warranty, in addition to any manufacturers warranty.
The Motorola voided warranty notice is for their US customers, where consumer protection is not as strong as in the EU or indeed the UK.
If you are returning a phone for example, which has a hardware fault, such as a damaged USB port, or buttons which fail to do what they are supposed to do, you have consumer rights based on the fact that your device must be of merchantable quality and fit for the purpose you bought it for.
These HW faults can in no way be attributed to an unlocked BL, or root. If a retailer or manufacturer claim they are, the onus is on them to prove how the unlocked BL or root caused the manufacturing or HW defect.
I have posted before on this, with links, if you wish further info.
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BTW, unlocking your bootloader and rooting do not invalidate your statutory rights, which you have in the UK, and in my country, unless the retailer can show that by unlocking the BL, or rooting you have caused actual damage.
These rights are guaranteed by your Trading Standards, for up to six years, and are also guaranteed by EU directives, which give an EU consumer a statutory two year warranty, in addition to any manufacturers warranty.
The Motorola voided warranty notice is for their US customers, where consumer protection is not as strong as in the EU or indeed the UK.
If you are returning a phone for example, which has a hardware fault, such as a damaged USB port, or buttons which fail to do what they are supposed to do, you have consumer rights based on the fact that your device must be of merchantable quality and fit for the purpose you bought it for.
These HW faults can in no way be attributed to an unlocked BL, or root. If a retailer or manufacturer claim they are, the onus is on them to prove how the unlocked BL or root caused the manufacturing or HW defect.
I have posted before on this, with links, if you wish further info.
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We definately need that kinda shield in India
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irishpancake said:
I'm sorry friend, I should have not called you stupid, it does nobody any good to hurl abuse....
However, just look at what you posted, as in your first line:
Perhaps you should also reflect on the use of LOL, when the laugh is on you, really, you have even said the word root in that opening sentence!!!
If you are going to use a root explorer, it does indeed presuppose you have root.....does it not??
So, the solutions are perfectly valid, and should not be subjected to LOL and 'quotes', do you agree?? It was your misunderstanding.
BTW, unlocking your bootloader and rooting do not invalidate your statutory rights, which you have in the UK, and in my country, unless the retailer can show that by unlocking the BL, or rooting you have caused actual damage.
These rights are guaranteed by your Trading Standards, for up to six years, and are also guaranteed by EU directives, which give an EU consumer a statutory two year warranty, in addition to any manufacturers warranty.
The Motorola voided warranty notice is for their US customers, where consumer protection is not as strong as in the EU or indeed the UK.
If you are returning a phone for example, which has a hardware fault, such as a damaged USB port, or buttons which fail to do what they are supposed to do, you have consumer rights based on the fact that your device must be of merchantable quality and fit for the purpose you bought it for.
These HW faults can in no way be attributed to an unlocked BL, or root. If a retailer or manufacturer claim they are, the onus is on them to prove how the unlocked BL or root caused the manufacturing or HW defect.
I have posted before on this, with links, if you wish further info.
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Hi irishpancake, and thank you for the apology. :good:
After looking at the sources of the solution, apparently you were one of the people suggesting it. I didn't know that until now. Anyway, maybe unfortunately, you took the 'LOL' comment personally? It wasn't intended as such, I assure you!
Using ES, I assumed (naively) that the the 'Root explorer' option, would give temporary elevated privileges. The 'LOL' was about the fact that I couldn't even turn the option ON! I now realise it's a (poorly worded?) safety option for those that already have root access. I should have known better with a Linux type OS, but never mind. :cyclops:
Anyway, the solution became yet another dead end for this parsing error problem (without root).
I'd still rather not root and have to explain statutory rights to a Tesco CS rep though to be honest - at least for the time being. But it does feel good knowing about the extra 2 years warranty, thanks.
MrWhatever said:
Hi irishpancake, and thank you for the apology. :good:
After looking at the sources of the solution, apparently you were one of the people suggesting it. I didn't know that until now. Anyway, maybe unfortunately, you took the 'LOL' comment personally? It wasn't intended as such, I assure you!
Using ES, I assumed (naively) that the the 'Root explorer' option, would give temporary elevated privileges. The 'LOL' was about the fact that I couldn't even turn the option ON! I now realise it's a (poorly worded?) safety option for those that already have root access. I should have known better with a Linux type OS, but never mind. :cyclops:
Anyway, the solution became yet another dead end for this parsing error problem (without root).
I'd still rather not root and have to explain statutory rights to a Tesco CS rep though to be honest - at least for the time being. But it does feel good knowing about the extra 2 years warranty, thanks.
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Yer OK boss, no problemo!!!
Just on the returns stuff, I have had occasion to return goods, to Tesco here in Ireland, and other stores, like Curry's, even Aldi/Lidl.....
I never, ever discuss a complaint or a return with a CS rep...
I always get a Manager, and a name, and write that down in their presence.....
and I usually have a print out, from our National Consumer Agency here in Ireland, like this:
http://www.consumerhelp.ie/media/Yourrightswhenshopping1.pdf
[I believe your own Trading Standards have similar docs available, and you actually have stronger consumer protection than that offered by the EU.]
You will find they are quite aware of the law as it applies to faulty or defective goods, but unless you are equally aware and confident in your approach, they will literally walk all over you and your rights.
Hope this helps, and just to say, I removed those words from my first post replying to you....OK??
Cheers...
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Naaah, it's just far away.
compact_bijou said:
Location: Small Village
Naaah, it's just far away.
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“Absurdistan is a skid mark on the pants of society.”
~ Winston Churchill on Absurdistan
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never liked dat Churchill fellah....
You have given me an idea friend....
Location: Small Village....in Absurdistan....:cyclops:
The title says it all.
Nope not yet and I personally wouldn't expect it anytime soon
I wouldn't either since it is so easy to unlock the bootloader. I understand your hesitation with the warranty question being up in the air.
Unlocking the bootloader does not void the warranty, and is pretty easy to do. We won't find an exploit to root without unlocking for quite awhile so I would suggest just unlocking it.
Oaklands said:
I wouldn't either since it is so easy to unlock the bootloader. I understand your hesitation with the warranty question being up in the air.
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Very few will spend time to find an exploit when root is just on the other side of an unlocked bootloader.
I'm not sure why you'd be hesitant to unlock the bootloader, there are no negative effects, only benefits.
Heisenberg said:
I'm not sure why you'd be hesitant to unlock the bootloader, there are no negative effects, only benefits.
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You forget security. Unlocking leaves your phone fair game if stolen.
@rbiter said:
You forget security. Unlocking leaves your phone fair game if stolen.
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you can unlock, root, then relock, no?
@rbiter said:
You forget security. Unlocking leaves your phone fair game if stolen.
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Anyone who manages to get their phone stolen doesn't take good enough care of it.
BladeRunner said:
you can unlock, root, then relock, no?
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Yes, that's possible.
Heisenberg said:
I'm not sure why you'd be hesitant to unlock the bootloader, there are no negative effects, only benefits.
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No hesitation, just a question I had. I plan on unlocking this weekend. (If I can wait that long!)
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Anyone who manages to get their phone stolen doesn't take good enough care of it.
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For the most part that is true.
Never had a phone stolen in all the years I've owned one.
I've owned cell phones for 20+ years.
TheFeelTrain said:
Unlocking the bootloader does not void the warranty, and is pretty easy to do. We won't find an exploit to root without unlocking for quite awhile so I would suggest just unlocking it.
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From what I have read it DOES void the warranty
The following applies to all devices, except for Developer Edition devices:
Obtaining an unlock code voids all warranties. Once you get the unlock code, your
device is no longer covered by the Motorola warranty, or any other warranty provided
with the device. Neither Motorola, nor your wireless carrier shall have any duty to
provide warranty or customer support for unlocked devices.
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But yeah, bootloader unlock is a must on every device, I am unlocking mine in a few weeks, wanna make sure everything is working fine just in case.
Has anyone been able to use the warranty after unlocking the bootloader and relocking it? I ask cuz mine has the random camera buzzing/non-focusing problem and while it isn't annoying right now, it might get worse. I am unsure yet if the bootloader is required to be unlocked to gain any useful features or installing LineageOS
moccor said:
Has anyone been able to use the warranty after unlocking the bootloader and relocking it? I ask cuz mine has the random camera buzzing/non-focusing problem and while it isn't annoying right now, it might get worse. I am unsure yet if the bootloader is required to be unlocked to gain any useful features or installing LineageOS
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For exactly that reason I re-locked my bootloader on my A2017G device. This camera buzzing / vibrating noise is happening to a lot of people.
Just my opinion. There are no ROMs for me that justify a Bootloader unlock since 7.1.1 is stable, fast, reliable and has good Hi-Fi Audio qualities.
It is not an issue of bootloader unlock that causes this.
The camera rotor/OIS is faulty and will be needed to be sent in for repair.
iNaruX said:
For exactly that reason I re-locked my bootloader on my A2017G device. This camera buzzing / vibrating noise is happening to a lot of people.
Just my opinion. There are no ROMs for me that justify a Bootloader unlock since 7.1.1 is stable, fast, reliable and has good Hi-Fi Audio qualities.
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And how do you root your phone with a locked bootloader?
rikin93 said:
It is not an issue of bootloader unlock that causes this.
The camera rotor/OIS is faulty and will be needed to be sent in for repair.
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I am aware, hence my phone being completely stock and asking about whether anyone has proof re-locking a unlocked boot-loader can allow for keeping warranty lol
I unoffically unlocked my bootloader, relocked/loaded stock on the device and returned it with no issues.
nolimit78 said:
I unoffically unlocked my bootloader, relocked/loaded stock on the device and returned it with no issues.
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Well that's a bit different though, because say a place like Newegg or BHPhoto don't know how to check, they just make sure it powers on and everything is in the package. Still appreciate the response.
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Dewaynelives said:
My axon just got the burn in problem
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Odd. So basically you contact them and ask for permission, or hope they're dumb and say you keep the warranty with the unlock and that's good enough?
Or did you unlock then relock, then try to use the warranty and they found out?
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Well that's a bit different though, because say a place like Newegg or BHPhoto don't know how to check, they just make sure it powers on and everything is in the package. Still appreciate the response.
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I sent mine into ZTE for repair. No issues.
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I sent mine into ZTE for repair. No issues.
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Thanks, I'd still like confirmation from a few others though just in case its not a fluke haha
I "officially" unlocked mine through the ZTE website (when it was offered).. I was notified that my warranty was voided before pressing OK and they stated that anything that unlocked the bootloader voided the warranty. But, if you do it unofficially and re-lock it, or get it through Amazon or NewEgg - How are they going to know, or even know what to check (at Amazon or NewEgg)?
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I "officially" unlocked mine through the ZTE website (when it was offered).. I was notified that my warranty was voided before pressing OK and they stated that anything that unlocked the bootloader voided the warranty. But, if you do it unofficially and re-lock it, or get it through Amazon or NewEgg - How are they going to know, or even know what to check (at Amazon or NewEgg)?
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That is true... i'm just cautious because my phone isn't perfect, I have the common camera problem. If it was fine and then down the line it developed, then w/e. But right now I Should exchanged it, it's just not big enough of a problem where I need to. And tbh I feel like it would just develop again, since so many people have it. If I see a S7 drop down around 350 I am just gonna get this fixed and buy a S7.