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Most Ironic Thing Ever

Today I got my phone back from Samsung because of some issues with my Nexus S and when I booted it up I saw the unlocked padlock! LOL You'd think they'd relock it...

timchoi89 said:
Today I got my phone back from Samsung because of some issues with my Nexus S and when I booted it up I saw the unlocked padlock! LOL You'd think they'd relock it...
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Why is it ironic? (I don't think your situation was 'ironic') Depending on your issue (which you never said), they may or may not have to mess with the "software". They'd probably thought you'd unlock it anyways, so what's the point.

I thought it was ironic b/c unlocking the bootloader voids your warranty. I was having sreen issues so I sent my phone to Samsung. I never rooted it.

timchoi89 said:
I thought it was ironic b/c unlocking the bootloader voids your warranty. I was having sreen issues so I sent my phone to Samsung. I never rooted it.
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Probably because your screen issues isn't software related which is what unlock the bootloader is.
HTC was the same way with the Nexus One. Doesn't matter if your bootloader is unlocked if you had a hardware problem. Lots of people RMA their Nexus Ones with bootloader unlocked to get power button/overheating/screen/button issues and HTC honored the warranty. (Mine included)

[Q] Do verizon care if I unlock my bootloader and root my Razr m

I wanted to unlock my bootloader and root my razr m but I heard rumors that if you unlock your bootloader, verizon will do something but I don't know what they'll do. I'm just nervous because I don't want to run into any problems

junowhoo said:
I wanted to unlock my bootloader and root my razr m but I heard rumors that if you unlock your bootloader, verizon will do something but I don't know what they'll do. I'm just nervous because I don't want to run into any problems
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rooting/unlocking bootloader voids the warranty. but that is mostly on the motorola side. essentially, if you root/unlock, and have any software related issues, they may help you, but cannot offer you a replacement device.
if there are any problems with the hardware, then they may replace your device.
verizon is still obligated to give you service - as you are paying a monthly subscription for that.

jco23 said:
rooting/unlocking bootloader voids the warranty. but that is mostly on the motorola side. essentially, if you root/unlock, and have any software related issues, they may help you, but cannot offer you a replacement device.
if there are any problems with the hardware, then they may replace your device.
verizon is still obligated to give you service - as you are paying a monthly subscription for that.
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so can I still put a rom on my razr and I wouldn't get in trouble or anything

junowhoo said:
so can I still put a rom on my razr and I wouldn't get in trouble or anything
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do you think if people where getting in trouble for doing this that so many would? companies just like to spread lies about rooting to scare people off.

It's taking all of my restraint not to be grammar police right now.
Sent from my Droid Razr M using xda app-developers app

junowhoo said:
so can I still put a rom on my razr and I wouldn't get in trouble or anything
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you own the device, you do whatever you want. you won't get arrested/fined or anything like that. the worst possible scenario is that you brick your device and you have to buy a new one off of e-bay for $200.
however, this device is unbrickable.

jco23 said:
you own the device, you do whatever you want. you won't get arrested/fined or anything like that. the worst possible scenario is that you brick your device and you have to buy a new one off of e-bay for $200.
however, this device is unbrickable.
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Alright then, thank you

Locked Bootloader & Knox??

Are theses evil technologies present on the Note 4?

@home said:
Are theses evil technologies present on the Note 4?
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Knox is guaranteed, and if you buy the phone from Verizon or AT&T, the bootloader will be locked.

sirobelec said:
Knox is guaranteed, and if you buy the phone from Verizon or AT&T, the bootloader will be locked.
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No No No - UK Here I always buy my devices Sim Free - Never go near a carrier.

@home said:
No No No - UK Here I always buy my devices Sim Free - Never go near a carrier.
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There's a good lad.
Well, out of the box only Sonys, HTCs and Nexuses come with a locked bootloader, but the HTCs and the Nexuses are brutally easy to unlock.
International SIM free Samsungs don't have a locked bootloader, and the Knox is there only to tell Samsung representatives that your warranty is void. xD

Hopefully both are present. So many folks want to use these devices for BYOD, the more locked down they are, the better.

chamberc said:
Hopefully both are present. So many folks want to use these devices for BYOD, the more locked down they are, the better.
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BYOD?
Locking a phone that I have bought & now belongs to me should be illegal.

chamberc said:
Hopefully both are present. So many folks want to use these devices for BYOD, the more locked down they are, the better.
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Why are you here?

Bataga said:
Why are you here?
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Pardon? I'm not sure I understand the context of your question.

Bataga said:
Why are you here?
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chamberc said:
Pardon? I'm not sure I understand the context of your question.
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Why are you you on XDA if you want everything locked down. The whole idea is to rom & mod.
With your attitude we may as well call it a day.

@home said:
BYOD?
Locking a phone that I have bought & now belongs to me should be illegal.
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BYOD means "Bring Your Own Device". He's referring to large corporations who allow their employees to use any device they want for business purposes. Large corporations and governments generally like these devices to be locked down to minimize the chances they are hacked. I think his point (whether we agree or not) is that if Note 4 is locked down hard it's better for those who wish to use one in one of these organizations.
Personally I don't have a problem with a bootloader that comes locked by default from the manufacturer to protect the unsavvy, but it should be something that's not difficult for someone who is technically savvy to unlock.

gtalum said:
BYOD means "Bring Your Own Device". He's referring to large corporations who allow their employees to use any device they want for business purposes. Large corporations and governments generally like these devices to be locked down to minimize the chances they are hacked. I think his point (whether we agree or not) is that if Note 4 is locked down hard it's better for those who wish to use one in one of these organizations.
Personally I don't have a problem with a bootloader that comes locked by default from the manufacturer to protect the unsavvy, but it should be something that's not difficult for someone who is technically savvy to unlock.
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Crazy idea - It's my phone & i should be free to do as I please - If i want to be tied I'd by an iphone.
Back on track....
Is the Note 4 Bootloader Locked??

@home said:
Why are you you on XDA if you want everything locked down. The whole idea is to rom & mod.
With your attitude we may as well call it a day.
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The purpose of XDA is not to rom & mod. It's actually to customizing the look and adding functionality, neither of which necessarily mean rooting, modding, or unlocking.
I'm not against handset manufacturers offering developer editions of phones, but definitely don't want the broad set of phones to be so easily modified from base designs as approved by the carriers. Carriers certify and must provide agreements to companies who use their services.

chamberc said:
The purpose of XDA is not to rom & mod. It's actually to customizing the look and adding functionality, neither of which necessarily mean rooting, modding, or unlocking.
I'm not against handset manufacturers offering developer editions of phones, but definitely don't want the broad set of phones to be so easily modified from base designs as approved by the carriers. Carriers certify and must provide agreements to companies who use their services.
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That's why i never buy a carrier device always Sim Free.
So I can do as a please.

@home said:
That's why i never buy a carrier device always Sim Free.
So I can do as a please.
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Absolutely, and those that have to can identify those devices and lock them out of things that companies are not willing to risk access to for such users.

@home said:
Crazy idea - It's my phone & i should be free to do as I please - If i want to be tied I'd by an iphone.
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Is the Note 4 Bootloader Locked??
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For sure are Verizon and AT&T and not sure about Sprint. TMO will be the way to go for unlocked bootloader on GSM.

@home said:
Why are you you on XDA if you want everything locked down. The whole idea is to rom & mod.
With your attitude we may as well call it a day.
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This.

BYOD
@home said:
BYOD?
Bring Your Own Device.
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I have never own a Samsung phone.
Can I get the bootloader tempered and keep the Knox intact? I will be using it on T-mobile.

No you will loose warranty. With Note 4 Samsuck add third Knox protection, it will be even harder to root it or impossible to root. And do not forget locked bootloader. And Custom status. And few more protection that samsuck put it for not give us waranty. You buy an crippled phone, your phone, full of protections put up by Koreans.
Samsuck new quote is this: You buy our phone but it's still ours. You don't own it.
Note 3 rooted knox 1, my last Samsuck crap. I want freedom. Stay away from Samsuck!

So you know for sure that the bootloader is locked?

QFuse

Read on a local forums that the 6P has QFuse. He has the device. What does does mean for development? All I know about QFuses is that once it is blown, you can't go back to the original state.
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/97415852-post1515.html

Bro, you should have put this in general forum ley

bradputt said:
Bro, you should have put this in general forum ley
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Figured this was the right subforums :angel:

its just a switch. a non-reversible switch. it's used for a single purpose - warranty claims. if you unlock your bootloader and your device "suddenly" becomes unresponsive, manufacturers have the right to deny your warranty claim.
google's nexus program typically does not follow this rule as they encourage the development and use of their devices, but as they work to make android more secure, i would not put it past them to start down the same path as the rest of the OEMs. Moto has stated that they will void your warranty if you unlock the bootloader on the XPE, even though they offer you the path to do so.
its a security risk and google should offer a path to root without compromising your system's integrity.

640k said:
its just a switch. a non-reversible switch. it's used for a single purpose - warranty claims. if you unlock your bootloader and your device "suddenly" becomes unresponsive, manufacturers have the right to deny your warranty claim.
google's nexus program typically does not follow this rule as they encourage the development and use of their devices, but as they work to make android more secure, i would not put it past them to start down the same path as the rest of the OEMs. Moto has stated that they will void your warranty if you unlock the bootloader on the XPE, even though they offer you the path to do so.
its a security risk and google should offer a path to root without compromising your system's integrity.
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They cannot deny your warranty for hardware issues once the fuse is blown.
US law prevents the denial; The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. Look at Moto's back pedal after it was posted that it was against federal law to deny warranty claims for unrelated issues.

tech_head said:
They cannot deny your warranty for hardware issues once the fuse is blown.
US law prevents the denial; The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. Look at Moto's back pedal after it was posted that it was against federal law to deny warranty claims for unrelated issues.
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got a link? when the XPE launched, they flip-flopped and then it was "official". i just assumed they kept their stance.
i know for the '13/'14 X developer editions they tried the same thing and then changed their minds.

Well US laws does not help people outside the US. Has Google every publicly stated that hardware issues with Nexus devices will be services, regardless if the bootloader is unlocked or not?

in the past, they've been good about warranties. i've heard many levels of success stories when dealing with Google directly (vs. buying through third party, amazon, etc.).

qfuse enabled usually means that secure boot is on.. nothing to do with unlocking the bootloader. just about all phones have this set. secure boot enabled forces phone to have signed bootloader. oem unlock enables unsigned boot.img's.. but still requires signed bootloader.
has anyone checked for the qfuse enabled/disabled BEFORE unlocking?

I've seen an image with it enabled as a stock phone (the thread with the guy answering questions)
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This thread which had some different dialouge going has been closed since it's being disccused here http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/qfuse-n6p-t3229465 is anyone able to comment on if having qfuse triggered does break anything like finger print reading or are we just looking at warranty coverage issues?

This is interesting...I was going to unlock the bootloader upon receiving my device so I can set it up and root later...but here is the something I have noticed-the pic in this article: http://pocketnow.com/2015/10/20/nexus-6p-bootloader#!prettyPhoto the bootloader is locked and qfuse status is enabled
On this one here: http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...owing-off-usb-type-c-port-and-snapdragon-810/
the bootloader is unlocked and the qfuse status is also enabled...it doesn't state anything about ''fuse blown'' or a permanent counter anywhere...
I guess we will have to wait and see-but I want to be able to root my device without voiding warranty and still be able to use the fingerprint scanner...

Pecata said:
This is interesting...I was going to unlock the bootloader upon receiving my device so I can set it up and root later...but here is the something I have noticed-the pic in this article: http://pocketnow.com/2015/10/20/nexus-6p-bootloader#!prettyPhoto the bootloader is locked and qfuse status is enabled
On this one here: http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...owing-off-usb-type-c-port-and-snapdragon-810/
the bootloader is unlocked and the qfuse status is also enabled...it doesn't state anything about ''fuse blown'' or a permanent counter anywhere...
I guess we will have to wait and see-but I want to be able to root my device without voiding warranty and still be able to use the fingerprint scanner...
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That's a great observation! Although I guess it's possible they trip the qfuse upon oem lock? Hopeful that this is all just people overreacting...

jkc120 said:
That's a great observation! Although I guess it's possible they trip the qfuse upon oem lock? Hopeful that this is all just people overreacting...
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I am hoping! This is never been an issue with a nexus device-that i why we buy nexus devices-we want the root access and we want to customize them...Google knows it-hopefully this won't affect us much...

Pecata said:
I am hoping! This is never been an issue with a nexus device-that i why we buy nexus devices-we want the root access and we want to customize them...Google knows it-hopefully this won't affect us much...
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Yeah I doubt Google would honestly try to deny a warranty claim for an obvious hardware defect if your bootloader was unlocked or the qfuse blown, but I guess it'd be of more concern if people bought directly from Huawei and what their stance is, if in fact the qfuse does get blown.

If QFuse is going to break anything like the finger print reader or your warranty then why would Google give you the official instructions on how to unlock the bootloader?
https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images

boxcar8028 said:
If QFuse is going to break anything like the finger print reader or your warranty then why would Google give you the official instructions on how to unlock the bootloader?
https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
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That's what I am thinking....but then why put the qfuse in a first place?

Ron Amadeo (Ars Technica) has confirmed that bootloader unlock does NOT break Nexus Imprint.
https://plus.google.com/+RonAmadeo/posts
First post.

Koopa777 said:
Ron Amadeo (Ars Technica) has confirmed that bootloader unlock does NOT break Nexus Imprint.
https://plus.google.com/+RonAmadeo/posts
First post.
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Great news!

Koopa777 said:
Ron Amadeo (Ars Technica) has confirmed that bootloader unlock does NOT break Nexus Imprint.
https://plus.google.com/+RonAmadeo/posts
First post.
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That's a relief! Unlocking does not affect the fingerprint scanner, nor does it disable Android Pay?

Is Warranty Usable After Bootloader Unlock?

Has anyone been able to use the warranty after unlocking the bootloader and relocking it? I ask cuz mine has the random camera buzzing/non-focusing problem and while it isn't annoying right now, it might get worse. I am unsure yet if the bootloader is required to be unlocked to gain any useful features or installing LineageOS

moccor said:
Has anyone been able to use the warranty after unlocking the bootloader and relocking it? I ask cuz mine has the random camera buzzing/non-focusing problem and while it isn't annoying right now, it might get worse. I am unsure yet if the bootloader is required to be unlocked to gain any useful features or installing LineageOS
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For exactly that reason I re-locked my bootloader on my A2017G device. This camera buzzing / vibrating noise is happening to a lot of people.
Just my opinion. There are no ROMs for me that justify a Bootloader unlock since 7.1.1 is stable, fast, reliable and has good Hi-Fi Audio qualities.

It is not an issue of bootloader unlock that causes this.
The camera rotor/OIS is faulty and will be needed to be sent in for repair.

iNaruX said:
For exactly that reason I re-locked my bootloader on my A2017G device. This camera buzzing / vibrating noise is happening to a lot of people.
Just my opinion. There are no ROMs for me that justify a Bootloader unlock since 7.1.1 is stable, fast, reliable and has good Hi-Fi Audio qualities.
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And how do you root your phone with a locked bootloader?

rikin93 said:
It is not an issue of bootloader unlock that causes this.
The camera rotor/OIS is faulty and will be needed to be sent in for repair.
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I am aware, hence my phone being completely stock and asking about whether anyone has proof re-locking a unlocked boot-loader can allow for keeping warranty lol

I unoffically unlocked my bootloader, relocked/loaded stock on the device and returned it with no issues.

nolimit78 said:
I unoffically unlocked my bootloader, relocked/loaded stock on the device and returned it with no issues.
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Well that's a bit different though, because say a place like Newegg or BHPhoto don't know how to check, they just make sure it powers on and everything is in the package. Still appreciate the response.

My axon just got the burn in problem

Dewaynelives said:
My axon just got the burn in problem
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Odd. So basically you contact them and ask for permission, or hope they're dumb and say you keep the warranty with the unlock and that's good enough?
Or did you unlock then relock, then try to use the warranty and they found out?

moccor said:
Well that's a bit different though, because say a place like Newegg or BHPhoto don't know how to check, they just make sure it powers on and everything is in the package. Still appreciate the response.
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I sent mine into ZTE for repair. No issues.

nolimit78 said:
I sent mine into ZTE for repair. No issues.
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Thanks, I'd still like confirmation from a few others though just in case its not a fluke haha

I "officially" unlocked mine through the ZTE website (when it was offered).. I was notified that my warranty was voided before pressing OK and they stated that anything that unlocked the bootloader voided the warranty. But, if you do it unofficially and re-lock it, or get it through Amazon or NewEgg - How are they going to know, or even know what to check (at Amazon or NewEgg)?

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I "officially" unlocked mine through the ZTE website (when it was offered).. I was notified that my warranty was voided before pressing OK and they stated that anything that unlocked the bootloader voided the warranty. But, if you do it unofficially and re-lock it, or get it through Amazon or NewEgg - How are they going to know, or even know what to check (at Amazon or NewEgg)?
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That is true... i'm just cautious because my phone isn't perfect, I have the common camera problem. If it was fine and then down the line it developed, then w/e. But right now I Should exchanged it, it's just not big enough of a problem where I need to. And tbh I feel like it would just develop again, since so many people have it. If I see a S7 drop down around 350 I am just gonna get this fixed and buy a S7.