Are theses evil technologies present on the Note 4?
@home said:
Are theses evil technologies present on the Note 4?
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Knox is guaranteed, and if you buy the phone from Verizon or AT&T, the bootloader will be locked.
sirobelec said:
Knox is guaranteed, and if you buy the phone from Verizon or AT&T, the bootloader will be locked.
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No No No - UK Here I always buy my devices Sim Free - Never go near a carrier.
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No No No - UK Here I always buy my devices Sim Free - Never go near a carrier.
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There's a good lad.
Well, out of the box only Sonys, HTCs and Nexuses come with a locked bootloader, but the HTCs and the Nexuses are brutally easy to unlock.
International SIM free Samsungs don't have a locked bootloader, and the Knox is there only to tell Samsung representatives that your warranty is void. xD
Hopefully both are present. So many folks want to use these devices for BYOD, the more locked down they are, the better.
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Hopefully both are present. So many folks want to use these devices for BYOD, the more locked down they are, the better.
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BYOD?
Locking a phone that I have bought & now belongs to me should be illegal.
chamberc said:
Hopefully both are present. So many folks want to use these devices for BYOD, the more locked down they are, the better.
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Why are you here?
Bataga said:
Why are you here?
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Pardon? I'm not sure I understand the context of your question.
Bataga said:
Why are you here?
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Pardon? I'm not sure I understand the context of your question.
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Why are you you on XDA if you want everything locked down. The whole idea is to rom & mod.
With your attitude we may as well call it a day.
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BYOD?
Locking a phone that I have bought & now belongs to me should be illegal.
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BYOD means "Bring Your Own Device". He's referring to large corporations who allow their employees to use any device they want for business purposes. Large corporations and governments generally like these devices to be locked down to minimize the chances they are hacked. I think his point (whether we agree or not) is that if Note 4 is locked down hard it's better for those who wish to use one in one of these organizations.
Personally I don't have a problem with a bootloader that comes locked by default from the manufacturer to protect the unsavvy, but it should be something that's not difficult for someone who is technically savvy to unlock.
gtalum said:
BYOD means "Bring Your Own Device". He's referring to large corporations who allow their employees to use any device they want for business purposes. Large corporations and governments generally like these devices to be locked down to minimize the chances they are hacked. I think his point (whether we agree or not) is that if Note 4 is locked down hard it's better for those who wish to use one in one of these organizations.
Personally I don't have a problem with a bootloader that comes locked by default from the manufacturer to protect the unsavvy, but it should be something that's not difficult for someone who is technically savvy to unlock.
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Crazy idea - It's my phone & i should be free to do as I please - If i want to be tied I'd by an iphone.
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Is the Note 4 Bootloader Locked??
@home said:
Why are you you on XDA if you want everything locked down. The whole idea is to rom & mod.
With your attitude we may as well call it a day.
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The purpose of XDA is not to rom & mod. It's actually to customizing the look and adding functionality, neither of which necessarily mean rooting, modding, or unlocking.
I'm not against handset manufacturers offering developer editions of phones, but definitely don't want the broad set of phones to be so easily modified from base designs as approved by the carriers. Carriers certify and must provide agreements to companies who use their services.
chamberc said:
The purpose of XDA is not to rom & mod. It's actually to customizing the look and adding functionality, neither of which necessarily mean rooting, modding, or unlocking.
I'm not against handset manufacturers offering developer editions of phones, but definitely don't want the broad set of phones to be so easily modified from base designs as approved by the carriers. Carriers certify and must provide agreements to companies who use their services.
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That's why i never buy a carrier device always Sim Free.
So I can do as a please.
@home said:
That's why i never buy a carrier device always Sim Free.
So I can do as a please.
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Absolutely, and those that have to can identify those devices and lock them out of things that companies are not willing to risk access to for such users.
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Crazy idea - It's my phone & i should be free to do as I please - If i want to be tied I'd by an iphone.
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Is the Note 4 Bootloader Locked??
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For sure are Verizon and AT&T and not sure about Sprint. TMO will be the way to go for unlocked bootloader on GSM.
@home said:
Why are you you on XDA if you want everything locked down. The whole idea is to rom & mod.
With your attitude we may as well call it a day.
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This.
BYOD
@home said:
BYOD?
Bring Your Own Device.
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I have never own a Samsung phone.
Can I get the bootloader tempered and keep the Knox intact? I will be using it on T-mobile.
No you will loose warranty. With Note 4 Samsuck add third Knox protection, it will be even harder to root it or impossible to root. And do not forget locked bootloader. And Custom status. And few more protection that samsuck put it for not give us waranty. You buy an crippled phone, your phone, full of protections put up by Koreans.
Samsuck new quote is this: You buy our phone but it's still ours. You don't own it.
Note 3 rooted knox 1, my last Samsuck crap. I want freedom. Stay away from Samsuck!
So you know for sure that the bootloader is locked?
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If true...
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/04/developer-troubled-times-ahead-for-anyone-who-roots/
Oh and where's the tags that the mods add in on My threads about my girl blowing everyone lol I'm still waiting haaaaa update there it is
Oh nooooooeeessss!!!
Sigh.
This really makes me want to just use a laptop for a phone now.
At least I can do what I want with my laptop's data connection.
WTF!??
10char
f***
OK, this is the kinda stuff where either Google needs to get its balls back and *****-slap the carriers, or the FCC needs to actually step in to protect customers.
Either way, it's bull****. Screw Verizon and every other carrier that does this.
this is me forgetting to thank you.
drmacinyasha said:
OK, this is the kinda stuff where either Google needs to get its balls back and *****-slap the carriers, or the FCC needs to actually step in to protect customers.
Either way, it's bull****. Screw Verizon and every other carrier that does this.
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+1
I will never buy a phone from a carrier that implements this crap
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ok, this is the kinda stuff where either google needs to get its balls back and *****-slap the carriers, or the fcc needs to actually step in to protect customers.
Either way, it's bull****. Screw verizon and every other carrier that does this.
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+2788786886
I agree this is total B.S.
lost_man10002 said:
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I will never buy a phone from a carrier that implements this crap
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No one should, the consumers run this together we can boycott any carrier who does this dictatorship bull****, I pledge I will not support any carrier who does this.
I'd rather take my evo and flash to cricket
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drmacinyasha said:
OK, this is the kinda stuff where either Google needs to get its balls back and *****-slap the carriers, or the FCC needs to actually step in to protect customers.
Either way, it's bull****. Screw Verizon and every other carrier that does this.
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This brought tears to my eyes.
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Eff that. I will not buy a phone like that... If I have to go back to dumbphones... Then so be it.
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It will never happen. The backlash would just be too much to handle.
And if manufacturers were to begin implementing these types of lockdowns, you know for a fact that they'll just be hacked around sooner or later.
Hello? We are discussing this on XDA... Home to undoubtedly the best group of white hat device hackers I've seen.
We all assume risk when rooting our devices and given the more open nature of Android, there's always the concern that some application will start stealing your data. It's a risk I'm willing to take and I'm sure most everyone else here as well.
mkhopper said:
It will never happen. The backlash would just be too much to handle.
And if manufacturers were to begin implementing these types of lockdowns, you know for a fact that they'll just be hacked around sooner or later.
Hello? We are discussing this on XDA... Home to undoubtedly the best group of white hat device hackers I've seen.
We all assume risk when rooting our devices and given the more open nature of Android, there's always the concern that some application will start stealing your data. It's a risk I'm willing to take and I'm sure most everyone else here as well.
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Here's the problem with what you stated, the percentage of users rooted compared to non rooted, well are not even close, if they did lock out every new phone with master keys that we would never be able to figure out, well it could happen. Even if they did lose every rooted users support financially, they would still have more than 95 percent of their profiT, that's my fear, it'll hurt but not if sprint, Verizon, etc pays the difference or that kind of sort of thing. For example to make it easy, say all rooted user cause 600,000 in lost profit for sprint that they could have potentially gained, well HTC goes hey well lock the device but we want the difference from the users like us who will not purchase the phone. Anyway that's my take on it, enlighten me with your guys thoughts
It may be time to dust off my Razr.
Carriers get smart, devs get smarter......lets not jump the gun and worry about this nonsense now. I will enjoy my rooted phone for now. If this does go down those of you saying you will go to "dumbphones" are full of it. Even if these phones are locked down tighter than a 17 year old girls tuna you will still use it. I see the future as phones will be so fast why would you need to root; I love to root, I've been rooting ALL my phones since g1 and the sole purpose was the speed my phone up. Dual core phone no root ehh who cares. I will NOT use a free phone just because these phones in the future will possibly be locked. One can only hope this security doesn't see light but if it does I'm sure we'll be ok.
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Here's the problem with what you stated, the percentage of users rooted compared to non rooted, well are not even close, if they did lock out every new phone with master keys that we would never be able to figure out, well it could happen. Even if they did lose every rooted users support financially, they would still have more than 95 percent of their profiT, that's my fear, it'll hurt but not if sprint, Verizon, etc pays the difference or that kind of sort of thing. For example to make it easy, say all rooted user cause 600,000 in lost profit for sprint that they could have potentially gained, well HTC goes hey well lock the device but we want the difference from the users like us who will not purchase the phone. Anyway that's my take on it, enlighten me with your guys thoughts
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I've heard the "rooted users are the extreme minority" comment countless times, and all logic says it really must be true.
However, when I go to the market, click apps, then all applications, then click top paid, 3 of the top 5 require root. As an honest question, are my market results tailored for my usage history or is that the same "top paid" list everyone sees? If it is indeed the same for everyone then it becomes much harder to quantify rooted users being in the minority.
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Carriers get smart, devs get smarter......lets not jump the gun and worry about this nonsense now. I will enjoy my rooted phone for now. If this does go down those of you saying you will go to "dumbphones" are full of it. Even if these phones are locked down tighter than a 17 year old girls tuna you will still use it. I see the future as phones will be so fast why would you need to root; I love to root, I've been rooting ALL my phones since g1 and the sole purpose was the speed my phone up. Dual core phone no root ehh who cares. I will NOT use a free phone just because these phones in the future will possibly be locked. One can only hope this security doesn't see light but if it does I'm sure we'll be ok.
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Completely agree about the smartphone part but do not about the master key part, it would take years like 75 - 100 if the key is properly secure for many and I mean many super computers to solve that algorithm...look at the droids, the only reason on a side note the ps3 master key was released was because the people who secured it messed up in the formula, and that still took 5 years..
the consequence would never be the same.
Hello all,
At motorola support forum there was a thread started by someone asking for motorola to just "leak" the keys... suddenly a hex code sequence appeared at the forum and the thread was blocked (requires authorized access). Now, there is a really HIGH probability (like 99.99999999%) that this is just a joke... but who knows... here what was posted:
Code:
Almost forgot about this thread! So anyway, here is that key you asked for:
4772656574696E67732C2066656C6C6F77732E2057
65206B6E6F77207468617420796F752061726520
6479696E6720666F722074686520756E6C6F636B
656420626F6F746C6F616465722E204D6F746F20
6973206E6F7420746865206F6E6C792022706C61
7965722220746861742068617320616E20696E66
6C75656E6365206F766572206465636973696F6E
202D206361727269657273206861766520746865
69722073617920696E20697420746F6F2C20736F
20646F6E2774206A75737420626C616D65207573
202D20636F6E7461637420746865206361727269
65727320746F6F2E20417320612066656C6C6F77
20656E67696E656572202D206D7920706572736F
6E616C206F70696E696F6E20697320746F206E6F
74206C696D6974206B6E6F776C6564676561626C
65207573657273206279206C6F636B656420626F
6F746C6F616465722E20427574204920616C736F
207468696E6B2074686174206D6F6464696E6720
6F66207468652073797374656D20737720766F69
6473207468652077617272616E7479202D20776F
756C6420796F752062652077696C6C696E672074
6F20766F696420612077617272616E7479206279
20756E6C6F636B696E6720616E64206D6F646469
6E67207468652070686F6E653F2020416E797761
792C2074686973206973206D65616E7420617320
6120746F6E6775652D696E2D636865656B206C69
74746C65206A6F6B652C206E6F7420736F6D6574
68696E6720746F2062652074616B656E20736572
696F75736C79206F7220746F206861766520636F
6E636C7573696F6E7320647261776E2066726F6D
2069742C206E6F7220697320697420696E20616E
7977617920726570726573656E74617469766520
6F6620616E206F6666696369616C20636F6D7061
6E7920766965772E20486176652066756E21
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Ok, it is a joke, it's an encoded string, here is the text:
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Greetings, fellows. We know that you are dying for the unlocked bootloader. Moto is not the only "player" that has an influence over decision - carriers have their say in it too, so don't just blame us - contact the carriers too. As a fellow engineer - my personal opinion is to not limit knowledgeable users by locked bootloader. But I also? think that modding of the system sw voids the warranty - would you be willing to void a warranty by unlocking and modding the phone? Anyway, this is meant as a tongue-in-cheek little joke, not something to be taken seriously or to have conclusions drawn from it, nor is it in anyway representative of an official company view. Have fun!
Cheers
most likely a hoax...
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Greetings, fellows. We know that you are dying for the unlocked bootloader. Moto is not the only "player" that has an influence over decision - carriers have their say in it too, so don't just blame us - contact the carriers too. As a fellow engineer - my personal opinion is to not limit knowledgeable users by locked bootloader. But I also think that modding of the system sw voids the warranty - would you be willing to void a warranty by unlocking and modding the phone? Anyway, this is meant as a tongue-in-cheek little joke, not something to be taken seriously or to have conclusions drawn from it, nor is it in anyway representative of an official company view. Have fun!
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Greetings, fellows. We know that you are dying for the unlocked bootloader. Moto is not the only "player" that has an influence over decision - carriers have their say in it too, so don't just blame us - contact the carriers too. As a fellow engineer - my personal opinion is to not limit knowledgeable users by locked bootloader. But I also think that modding of the system sw voids the warranty - would you be willing to void a warranty by unlocking and modding the phone? Anyway, this is meant as a tongue-in-cheek little joke, not something to be taken seriously or to have conclusions drawn from it, nor is it in anyway representative of an official company view. Have fun!
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To clarify for those who don't quite understand, this is what you get if you put the "key" in the OP into a Hex:Ascii converter. In the words of Eddie Murphy, "Ha ha ha, VERY FUNNY."
hahaha, that was pretty good.
The answer is yes I'd be willing to void my warenty. That benifits motor too.
The FCC (I may be remembering the wrong one) said rooting is legal but it can still be a point to void warranty.
Sent from the bowels of hell...
Here is my answer to the Moto dev:
Yes I dont give a crap to the warrenty, since i live in Israel and using a AT&T device I dont have any warrenty anyhow. I prefer an open device that gives me the freedom to mod it as much as I want, and to take it on my own risk. That's what happens with all the other users that buy their devices in different country, so why the [email protected] I can't? If I was gonna buy a phone and the warrenty would be an issue I would have bought it in my country, from a carrier.
So please stop playing with our balls and say it's the wind!
Here's something ive been thinking about...Motorola says it is not only them but the carrier holding back the bootloader from being unlocked... this is the part I dont understand. HTC announced they will be unlocking all bootloaders https://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084 .. doesn't ATT sell HTC phones too? Did HTC say it's a carrier decision?? No!
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tsouza said:
Hello all,
At motorola support forum there was a thread started by someone asking for motorola to just "leak" the keys... suddenly a hex code sequence appeared at the forum and the thread was blocked (requires authorized access). Now, there is a really HIGH probability (like 99.99999999%) that this is just a joke...
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If we trust the poster, the "us" in the string is telling. Who posted it? What browser do you use, can you grep through the cache for the original? I would copy all your cache files so they don't get overwritten (if they aren't already)
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Here's something ive been thinking about...Motorola says it is not only them but the carrier holding back the bootloader from being unlocked... this is the part I dont understand. HTC announced they will be unlocking all bootloaders https://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084 .. doesn't ATT sell HTC phones too? Did HTC say it's a carrier decision?? No!
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Motorola and HTC = different companies which = different contracts between them and AT&T. Don't assume just because they manufacture like products that the business relationship and contractual requirements are the same.
Right, I understand that every manufacturer/ carrier has their own agreements, but it is ultimately the manufacturers decision to agree on the contract or not.. do you think ATT said ok all of our products can have an unlocked bootloader except Motorola? It sounds pretty unlikely. Motorola has been locking their bootloaders long before the Atrix ( not only on ATT)
CaelanT said:
Motorola and HTC = different companies which = different contracts between them and AT&T. Don't assume just because they manufacture like products that the business relationship and contractual requirements are the same.
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hilarious!
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Right, I understand that every manufacturer/ carrier has their own agreements, but it is ultimately the manufacturers decision to agree on the contract or not.. do you think ATT said ok all of our products can have an unlocked bootloader except Motorola? It sounds pretty unlikely. Motorola has been locking their bootloaders long before the Atrix ( not only on ATT)
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i do agree with you on the last part. its funny. this sounds like something samsung would do but they are doing the opposite now. now its motorola going downhill. samsung learned a bit...
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Here's something ive been thinking about...Motorola says it is not only them but the carrier holding back the bootloader from being unlocked... this is the part I dont understand. HTC announced they will be unlocking all bootloaders https://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084 .. doesn't ATT sell HTC phones too? Did HTC say it's a carrier decision?? No!
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Different companies have different contracts with the carriers. Or maybe HTC will refuse to release a phone to specific carriers if it's not bootloader unlocked? The point is, you don't know.
I was thinking, what are the chances a Samsung or ATT employee would leak the necessary files to unlock the bootloader. Surely they have the know-how/files somewhere, and know that hundreds of people want the bootloader to be unlocked. Truly, they would leave most phones alone since I'm sure most of us XDA members barely make up a fraction of the total Android phones..
It shouldn't be that hard for an employee to get the necessary files for this, right? I'm not a hacker by any means, but I do love customizing my phones and having what bootloader and rom I want on it.
Any thoughts?
I doubt Att even has it. They ordered them from Samsung with this bootloader. I would think that Samsung would have to release a new bootloader chain to unlock it.
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Ha! Yeah right you guys are dreaming on a colossal level of you think you'll ever get your bootloader unlocked. Just suck it up buy your phone outright from another carrier, unlock it then use it. Can't afford it? Get a better job you all live in America there's awesome work outside of an office building
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Ha! Yeah right you guys are dreaming on a colossal level of you think you'll ever get your bootloader unlocked. Just suck it up buy your phone outright from another carrier, unlock it then use it. Can't afford it? Get a better job you all live in America there's awesome work outside of an office building
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So, are you just trying to practice your trolling skills?
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I think at&t guys will just have to be patient and wait it out, eventually somebody will figure out how to unlock the bootloader I remember back when I had an xperia x10 and that thing was locked down tight and like a year later a way was figured out.
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So, are you just trying to practice your trolling skills?
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:good:
Does http://en.miui.com/thread-254886-1-1.html work for the Redmi 3 as well?
Or http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-4c/general/guide-unlocking-mi4c-bl-verification-t3336779 ?
(or can they be made to work with the Redmi 3?)
Is it safe to assume that flashing unlocked redmi3 emmc_appsboot.mbn will help?
Haven't tested it though
davidnotcoulthard said:
Does http://en.miui.com/thread-254886-1-1.html work for the Redmi 3 as well?
Or http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-4c/general/guide-unlocking-mi4c-bl-verification-t3336779 ?
(or can they be made to work with the Redmi 3?)
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I'm also hoping for an answer to this. Really considering buying this phone tomorrow, but I don't want to have to request the privilege of using something I bought the way I want to.
All the information I have found so far mostly talks about using the official unlocking method, but then there are bits of other information that suggest you may be able to get around this, with nothing concretely stating it.
devlkore said:
I'm also hoping for an answer to this. Really considering buying this phone tomorrow, but I don't want to have to request the privilege of using something I bought the way I want to.
All the information I have found so far mostly talks about using the official unlocking method, but then there are bits of other information that suggest you may be able to get around this, with nothing concretely stating it.
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I honestly dont get whats the problem. Request unlock today, order it tomorrow. By the time you will get your phone, you will also get the permission
usblaidas said:
I honestly dont get whats the problem. Request unlock today, order it tomorrow. By the time you will get your phone, you will also get the permission
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I'm hoping to buy the phone in person tomorrow, so it's not likely I'd get my code in time. Also I'm entirely against this practice of begging to use your own purchased hardware in the way you choose.
devlkore said:
I'm hoping to buy the phone in person tomorrow, so it's not likely I'd get my code in time. Also I'm entirely against this practice of begging to use your own purchased hardware in the way you choose.
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Its not begging. It's a security feature For the example, if someone steals your phone, they wont be able to easily take off all the locks to use/sell it. So yeah, its a great solution and one can always wait a bit.
usblaidas said:
Its not begging. It's a security feature For the example, if someone steals your phone, they wont be able to easily take off all the locks to use/sell it. So yeah, its a great solution and one can always wait a bit.
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Some people have had their requests denied, it's begging. I appreciate the security concern, but that's not reason enough to lock people out of their OWN phones, just because you want to lock OTHER people out of them. I'd hardly call it a great solution, best solution would be to have the bootloader unlocked and let us lock it by choice which THEN requires a hassle to unlock.
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Some people have had their requests denied, it's begging. I appreciate the security concern, but that's not reason enough to lock people out of their OWN phones, just because you want to lock OTHER people out of them. I'd hardly call it a great solution, best solution would be to have the bootloader unlocked and let us lock it by choice which THEN requires a hassle to unlock.
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You do realize that most people don't care about that, hence it is locked by default? I do not see how it is great solution to unlock it by default
About denying it, some people dont put in a proper reason (or give some random reason) why they want to unlock their phones, so Xiaomi keeps the idiots away from bricking their phones (I suggest you looking at miui forums. People keep bricking their phones).
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You do realize that most people don't care about that, hence it is locked by default? I do not see how it is great solution to unlock it by default
About denying it, some people dont put in a proper reason (or give some random reason) why they want to unlock their phones, so Xiaomi keeps the idiots away from bricking their phones (I suggest you looking at miui forums. People keep bricking their phones).
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Another user seems to have mentioned that the chances of getting an approval has to do with making use of the Mi account so......
And how is 'most people don't care about that' a good argument? Protecting them from thieves (and themselves, I guess, as you've also said) is a much better reason/excuse.
Anyway the world of smartphones went well with flagships (, etc) using unlocked booloaders for years so why is the change suddenly needed?
davidnotcoulthard said:
Another user seems to have mentioned that the chances of getting an approval has to do with making use of the Mi account so......
And how is 'most people don't care about that' a good argument? Protecting them from thieves (and themselves, I guess, as you've also said) is a much better reason/excuse.
Anyway the world of smartphones went well with flagships (, etc) using unlocked booloaders for years so why is the change suddenly needed?
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Oh, that user was just talking non-sense. I registered on miui, I requested permission (did not even have phone at a time) and I got that permission few days later after I received phone.
How is it a bad argument? Most people are just normal users. They do not care about roms, recoveries and stuff like that. They just want a working phone and, if xiaomi would open a massive security hole by default, it would be bad.
How many flagship devices have you owned, if you don't mind me asking? The last time I checked, pretty much all bootloader's are locked by default (even Google Nexus phones are).
I'd be interested in this, whilst I agree that the bootloader should be locked the process should be far more simple than what Xiaomi currently offers.
wingsfortheirsmiles said:
I'd be interested in this, whilst I agree that the bootloader should be locked the process should be far more simple than what Xiaomi currently offers.
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wingsfortheirsmiles said:
I'd be interested in this, whilst I agree that the bootloader should be locked the process should be far more simple than what Xiaomi currently offers.
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It should be.... But while you are waiting for the solution for that, you might as well just request for the code
usblaidas said:
It should be.... But while you are waiting for the solution for that, you might as well just request for the code
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Agreed. Though I would say if people do want to unlock without approval that is at both the owner's right and risk. Especially here on XDA as opposed to the MIUI forums.
wingsfortheirsmiles said:
Agreed. Though I would say if people do want to unlock without approval that is at both the owner's right and risk. Especially here on XDA as opposed to the MIUI forums.
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Agreed. But anyone who bought that phone signed up for this. That's the main reason why I'm trying to calm everyone down
And honestly, comments which are saying that "we have to beg for permission" are ridiculous. If you really want to unlock the phone, you will wait for those 10 days. It is really not that bad. Plus, you will get a bit more friendly with MIUI, which I actually use as my main driver and I honestly believe that it is not that bad
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Agreed. But anyone who bought that phone signed up for this. That's the main reason why I'm trying to calm everyone down
And honestly, comments which are saying that "we have to beg for permission" are ridiculous. If you really want to unlock the phone, you will wait for those 10 days. It is really not that bad. Plus, you will get a bit more friendly with MIUI, which I actually use as my main driver and I honestly believe that it is not that bad
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Well, there I think we disagree. Some will want to use their phone asap or not want to be bound by Xiaomi's restrictions, rightly or wrongly. If there is a method to bypass it XDA would be the place to publish, test and feedback on it, with the usual disclaimer about bricking/losing the device.
And speaking personally, I want to throw CM/stock android onto my Redmi 3 as soon as I get it. I'll either try the workaround or wait, using my old phone instead.
wingsfortheirsmiles said:
Well, there I think we disagree. Some will want to use their phone asap or not want to be bound by Xiaomi's restrictions, rightly or wrongly. If there is a method to bypass it XDA would be the place to publish, test and feedback on it, with the usual disclaimer about bricking/losing the device.
And speaking personally, I want to throw CM/stock android onto my Redmi 3 as soon as I get it. I'll either try the workaround or wait, using my old phone instead.
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I'll have to disagree here as well. If that was to happen (some sort of bootloader lock bypasser) it would happen in chinese forums, where most of the stuff comes from anyway. If you take a look at all the roms/recoveries published in here, they are, mostly, a reposts from miui forums.
And considering that every gold member on miui forums, who are actual devs, get priority for bootloader unlock (get key in like three days), they really will not bother developing something like that. Its just so much unnecessary hassle. They might as well just keep investing their time into fixing bugs on current custom roms
Honestly, we could continue this discussion for days. But currently, the only way to get your bootloader unlocked faster is becoming a gold member on miui forums or just waiting for ten days.
Any other discussion on this topic is not worth anything. We will give hundreds (or even thousands) of reasons why they should do things differently, but they will still stick with their current policies. Just like MediaTek does. They are supposed to releases their sources, but they won't. And nobody can do anything about that.
So I will return to my previous point. Anyone who bought this phone knew Xiaomi's policies. If someone does not like that, they can always buy phone from a well known brands. Of course, paying at least two times the price of what we are paying for this phone.
After all, I dont mind paying less and waiting 10 days for the well spec'd phone rather than paying twice and get my bootloader instantly unlocked.
usblaidas said:
they really will not bother developing something like that.
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Which makes sense....but the Redmi Note 3 had such a solution developed for it (linked in the opening post) so......
davidnotcoulthard said:
Which makes sense....but the Redmi Note 3 had such a solution developed for it (linked in the opening post) so......
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I would like to point out that Note 3 has MUCH bigger user base.
usblaidas said:
I would like to point out that Note 3 has MUCH bigger user base.
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..................yeah, I guess there's that.
but hey, who knows? Stranger things have happened than the Redmi 3 being unlockable without Xiaomi's approval.....
My DM with a T-Mobile rep.
Any chance you can ask them to list the actual bands the phone supports?
I'm glad I'll be the recipient of the Exynos (unlocked) version. However i can get with the whole security aspect in regards to Google wallet & Samsung Pay/android pay. Like you mentioned though i NEVER and will EVER use this service, it gets disabled from the moment i get the phone (plus my bank doesn't support it anyway lol).
You pay a premium it should be up to the user as to what he does and yes what he/she risks.
I am very much against taking away the option of root and custom ROMs because of a service being forced upon us.
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Duncan1982 said:
I'm glad I'll be the recipient of the Exynos (unlocked) version. However i can get with the whole security aspect in regards to Google wallet & Samsung Pay/android pay. Like you mentioned though i NEVER and will EVER use this service, it gets disabled from the moment i get the phone (plus my bank doesn't support it anyway lol).
You pay a premium it should be up to the user as to what he does and yes what he/she risks.
I am very much against taking away the option of root and custom ROMs because of a service being forced upon us.
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I second being against them taking away root and ROMs and forcing services upon us. If there was less or no fragmentation in android with regards to updates, I could perhaps stay stock..
lightninbug said:
My DM with a T-Mobile rep.
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LOL! Sorry but, how old are you? I'm as disappointed as anyone, but you're acting like a child. You think that because YOU'VE been with T-Mobile "since VoiceStream" T-Mobile should change their decision? Ridiculous. The guy you were talking to can't help you, cannot make any executive decisions and sure as hell isn't passing along your "concerns" to Legere. He also doesn't give a damn that you're cancelling a whopping THREE (3!!!) device orders. Did you think he was going to crumble to his knees, beg you to keep your orders and run tell boss, "we must change our bootloader plans because Mr. VoiceStream is simply NOT having it?"
You were just whining to yourself while he typed, "I understand how you feel" and rubbed your shoulders a bit.
Agreed, complaining to a underpaid rep that probably hates listening to people complain all day everyday is not going to get bootloaders unlocked.
johnwayne27 said:
Agreed, complaining to a underpaid rep that probably hates listening to people complain all day everyday is not going to get bootloaders unlocked.
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Yet people still complain lol.
You know the bootloader is locked before you buy the device. Deal with it and move on.
Edit: not aimed towards you. Just saying in general of the complainers lol
Chainfire already finds a solution
aydinbahadir88 said:
Chainfire already finds a solution
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Source?
Z51 said:
Yet people still complain lol.
You know the bootloader is locked before you buy the device. Deal with it and move on.
Edit: not aimed towards you. Just saying in general of the complainers lol
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^ This.
I also love how the op states he is speaking for the users/devs on XDA.....errr, no you aint!! lol
aydinbahadir88 said:
Chainfire already finds a solution
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For realz???
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aydinbahadir88 said:
Chainfire already finds a solution
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LMAO...Yea, sure he did.
Useless thread. This is not a surprise and is something we already knew.
I ordered two from TMo and I'm sure that a root method will pop up soon after release.
Motorola had bootlocks on the Bionic and it was still able to be rooted. I bet within a month we'll be rooting with the rest of them.:good::good:
lightninbug said:
My DM with a T-Mobile rep.
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Samsung has officially lost by business. Been a samsung guy since the S3 and I've stuck with them in the years since. It's such a shame that they choose to do this. I don't need Samsung pay, as I have a wallet. Awful that they force these programs down our throats as they're nice to have but are completely unnecessary.
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jpeckinp said:
I ordered two from TMo and I'm sure that a root method will pop up soon after release.
Motorola had bootlocks on the Bionic and it was still able to be rooted. I bet within a month we'll be rooting with the rest of them.:good::good:
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The Galaxy S7 came out in March and it took three months to even figure out how to root it. We don't even have a bootloader unlock for the GS7, and it's been a year since it's release. Might want to lower your expectations as devs are moving away from locked down devices like the Galaxy series in the U.S.
Wow this is like posting water is wet.
I stopped rooting my phones, but I'm still against taking away the option. I just never could pull the trigger on losing Samsung Pay permanently.
cpufrost said:
Wow this is like posting water is wet.
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Hahaha how true [emoji106]
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*GASP!!* I'm glad you pointed that out....
sireniankyle said:
I stopped rooting my phones, but I'm still against taking away the option. I just never could pull the trigger on losing Samsung Pay permanently.
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I'm in the same boat as you. Unsure of what to do for the foreseeable future. Also KNOX. I actually do care about tripping it. The email app my company uses breaks if KNOX is tripped....