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T-Mobile in violation of...?

IRT this article:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-sour...r-android-becoming-a-political-liability/7588
Just wondering about T-Mobile's stance in essentially going against this by openly preventing customization of the OS, if this is enforceable and if they are in fact in violation of anything at this point. Thoughts?
Is this something that could lead to a class-action lawsuit..? Just curious. Looked and didn't see if there were any other threads related to this issue.. if there is, sorry for the redundancy.

Hate to be an the apologist here, but I just don't see how this is T-Mobile's fault.
That claim could have passed a month-two ago, but now we have the Desire HD and Desire Z which have similar/same protections yet are unbranded, simfree HTC devices. It definitely seems like this was more of an HTC idea that T-Mobile embraced.

Pickx said:
Hate to be an the apologist here, but I just don't see how this is T-Mobile's fault.
That claim could have passed a month-two ago, but now we have the Desire HD and Desire Z which have similar/same protections yet are unbranded, simfree HTC devices. It definitely seems like this was more of an HTC idea that T-Mobile embraced.
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Agreed.
Overall this isn't T-Mo's fault and we shouldn't be pointing the finger at them. HTC is the culprit. It will be interesting to see if anything comes of this.
My original understanding of this "agreement" was that Apple/Microsoft/Google couldn't sue the people that jailbroke/rooted/hacked the phones. Meaning, the jailbreakers of the iPhone could literally parade in front of Job's face that "Hey, I am the one who created the jailbreak software" and Apple couldn't sue them. I didn't think the "agreement" had anything to do with companies preventing such customizations. Maybe I just missed it.
I would much rather see these eFuse type chips and what not go away. I understand that root shouldn't be a push button option but a few hours of work by a smart dev should be enough of a deterrent from your avg joe to prevent random bricks.

I agree with what is above - this is in no way T-Mobile's fault. Also, this is a repost as well.

have you guys ever heard "you are the company you keep" or "aiding and abetting" or "accessory to...." bottom line t-mobile has their name branded on the phone and in the phone. they knew about this sh*t so they are just as responsible. trust me i've had my run in's with the law a couple of time to know how technical stuff like this gets.

t-mobile knew what was in the phone when they received it and even before so why shouldn't they be held just as responsible. If my name and signature is on a product I sell and endorse then why shouldn't I be held responsible? Its common sense
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t-mobile has responsibilities for any t-mobile branded phone
I have faith the G2 will be fully rooted, in spite of HTC and/or T-Mobile.....HTC really pulled a Motorola on this one (trying to lock the phone up)....I have no doubt that if t-mobile pushed HTC an easy root solution could easily be forthcoming, but T-mobile is just playing the 'not my fault' bs game....
I have to be content knowing the G2 is the best Android phone currently on the market, and that the dev community will defeat root (once radio/hboot is fully dealt with....)....at least VISIONARY temp root allows easy wireless tether and Titanium in the meantime....

Its wrong. As soon as you buy something and becomes yours nobody should tell you how to use it or what to use it for. If I buy a phone to wipe my ass that shouldn't be tmobiles bussines. All they should be worried about is to sell phones and give services, but forbidding ppl to do what they want with what's theirs its very very wrong....and idiotic
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bigstunta101 said:
have you guys ever heard "you are the company you keep" or "aiding and abetting" or "accessory to...." bottom line t-mobile has their name branded on the phone and in the phone. they knew about this sh*t so they are just as responsible. trust me i've had my run in's with the law a couple of time to know how technical stuff like this gets.
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All they did was slap their name on something HTC created. You can't tell me you actually hold T-Mo responsible for something they didn't engineer? If they knew about it and didn't like it what do you think HTC would have done? Gone to ATT or switched it to a CDMA radio... oh wait they already basically have a copy cat coming out for Verizon. HTC can deal without selling through T-Mo. They'll survive.
nighthawk626 said:
t-mobile knew what was in the phone when they received it and even before so why shouldn't they be held just as responsible. If my name and signature is on a product I sell and endorse then why shouldn't I be held responsible? Its common sense
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You're common sense misleads you.
If you think T-Mo really has ANY influence over HTC you are mistaken. HTC sells through all 4 of the major carriers. They would just take their "G2" somewhere else. Blame the person that engineered the phone not the carrier to prints their name on it and throws a SIM card in it.
gaalaagaa said:
Its wrong. As soon as you buy something and becomes yours nobody should tell you how to use it or what to use it for. If I buy a phone to wipe my ass that shouldn't be tmobiles bussines. All they should be worried about is to sell phones and give services, but forbidding ppl to do what they want with what's theirs its very very wrong....and idiotic
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One problem...
There is a pesky thing called a warranty. If T-Mo/HTC provide a warranty, which they do, then they are obligated to fix/exchange a phone which cannot perform for its intended use. So if you bought a phone, rooted it, and royally F'ed it up because you are stupid and don't know what you are going you could then take it back to T-Mo and say it doesn't do what I bought it for and they would be obligated to fix it/provide a working one.
Consequently, to ensure as few people as possible root it they locked it down with this read-only NAND. They are protecting their arse.
Do I agree with it? No but I understand why they do what they do.
Warranty exchanges costs HTC money... so they want to ensure that as few warranty claims as possible are related to idiots doing something they shouldn't be or don't comprehend what they are doing.
It's a money game... nothing more nothing less.

@superfly u must work for tmobile and they must pay you good. Tmobile just cares about their damn money and sales. This ain't volunteer work for hurricane HTC. They are paid to sell the damn phones. Nobody put a gun to their head and told them to sell it. They are in it all the way even if all they did was slap their name on it. It officially states "hey I'm endorsing this product and all it comes with" endorsement comes with being held equally responsible. Just like in elections whatever one person in the party does that messes things up could ruin the whole party therefore everyone is held responsible even if they were on vacation when it happened. Here in the military that I'm in, its called accountability. There's no way of arguing your way out of something you are in ties with because it obviously has your imprints all over it. Simple as that
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My dear brown nose friend Superfly:
IF tmobile cant handle that then they should close the company. Im sorry. I do as i please with what i paid for.Warranty only covers some things "which most of the time covers nothing" If i decide to wipe my ass with it then warranty wont cover it, if i decide to root it and brick it warranty wont cover it as simple as that...but then again i should do as i please with what is mine. We all know they could care less about you effin up your phone, all they want is being able to control what kind of os you got and bla bla bla only for sales porpuses.

When T-mo put thier name on it, they take all responsibility that comes with it.

First off, the article is trying to put blame on google... I just want to know how they cam e around to that. It feels like such a biased article. And how come there's no mention of Apple's practices? Or mentions of RIM? On top of that, it's already been said that this "rootkit" is bunked. Security measures are for the safety of the phone, usually. Why do they need to lock out the phone? You can cause a lot of havoc on the network with root access. (in fact, I kinda remember reading about an app that did just that when installed on rooted phones) It's in the interest of the customers to actually provide these security features. Just because we, as the technically inclined, get it, doesn't mean the average user should be punished.

nighthawk626 said:
@superfly u must work for tmobile and they must pay you good.
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I work for a public accounting firm and I'm a CPA... want to try again?
nighthawk626 said:
Tmobile just cares about their damn money and sales. This ain't volunteer work for hurricane HTC. They are paid to sell the damn phones.
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They make their money providing service for the phones they sell...
nighthawk626 said:
Nobody put a gun to their head and told them to sell it. They are in it all the way even if all they did was slap their name on it.
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This is just silly. T-Mo might exchange handsets but all the costs end up back on HTC depending on their agreement.
nighthawk626 said:
It officially states "hey I'm endorsing this product and all it comes with" endorsement comes with being held equally responsible.
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Again, do you think they had any part in the dev of the phone?
nighthawk626 said:
Just like in elections whatever one person in the party does that messes things up could ruin the whole party therefore everyone is held responsible even if they were on vacation when it happened. Here in the military that I'm in, its called accountability. There's no way of arguing your way out of something you are in ties with because it obviously has your imprints all over it. Simple as that
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Really? it's that simple?
So does Verizon, T-Mo, AT&T and Sprint take the fall for the Galaxy S debacle? They all have the same issue and all the customers are pissed off for the same reason so it is the carrier's fault? No, it is Samsung's fault. The fault lies with the person who made the phone and the software on the phone. Samsung should be held accountable for their failure of a phone... just like HTC should be held accountable if they are indeed in violation of this accord.
gaalaagaa said:
My dear brown nose friend Superfly:
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I have 0 loyalties to T-Mo. This is actually the first T-Mo phone I've owned. In the past 3 years I've moved from VZW to ATT to Sprint to VZW to T-Mo. I don't give a crap about any carrier specifically. Moving on.
gaalaagaa said:
IF tmobile cant handle that then they should close the company.
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Handle what exactly?
gaalaagaa said:
Im sorry. I do as i please with what i paid for. Warranty only covers some things "which most of the time covers nothing" If i decide to wipe my ass with it then warranty wont cover it, if i decide to root it and brick it warranty wont cover it as simple as that...but then again i should do as i please with what is mine.
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And what happens when someone roots their phone and takes it back and whines and biotches until they get a replacement? People abuse the warranty system which is why things are so tight these days. I don't disagree with your position, I wish I could basically "one click root" on day 0. It would be sweet but that's not the way the world is.
gaalaagaa said:
We all know they could care less about you effin up your phone, all they want is being able to control what kind of os you got and bla bla bla only for sales porpuses.
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Only for sales purposes? There are 100 other reasons for control over the content besides "sales". What does "sales" even include?
asarousi said:
When T-mo put thier name on it, they take all responsibility that comes with it.
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Bull... I completely disagree with this. If their customizations caused problems then yes it is their fault but just because their put their name on it doesn't make it their fault. HTC designed, manufactured and marketed the phone... T-Mo printed their name on the glass and provided you with service. That's it.

LOL...another "class-action?" thread. Why not take the initiative and start the class action process if you are so curious about it? Speak to a lawyer, read up on the requirements for a class-action suit. I don't think anyone in a forum is gonna actually do that.

For all you people *****in about the locked nand Stop *****in about it yesh. Don't like it get another phone. There are plenty of other phones you can root and such.

Nobody is saying that tmobile made the phone but don't sit there and tell me that when they were picking this phone as part of their lineup, they didn't play with it or even look at it at all. Bottom line is they knew what was in the phone, I'm sure they were hoping the hinge issue wouldn't blow up like it did and also they knew about rooting and tethering some that's why I'm sure they continued to put it in their line up. It wasn't just tossed on their lap. They have phone testers and possibly hired rooters and devs to test how rootable this phone is. Either way they are accountable
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Bull crap. Ill buy the phone i want and root the phone i want because i want. Point blank

Nobody has forbidden anyone to root this phone. They made it hard to do and they put up a very clever stumbling block, but they didn't forbid it.
You can crack the phone open and look at every part of it, nobody will stop you, but they don't have to put a button on the side that makes it fall apart so that you can do it easily.
Similarly, if the community figures out the mechanism used to protect the ROM, then you can root it and install the software you want, but that doesn't mean the manufacturer or carrier are required to make it easy for you to do so.
The zdnet article cites the recent DMCA exclusion as meaning that we have the right to put whatever software we want on the phone. That exclusion provided no such right. It says that the federal courts will not prosecute us for defeating electronic protections in the phone - it doesn't make it illegal for the manufacturers to put those protections in the phone in the first place.
It's like a law limiting the penalties for jumping a fence - such a law wouldn't make fences themselves illegal. In fact, such a law would likely lead to fences that are harder to jump since the property owners could no longer rely on threat of prosecution to keep people from trying. Similarly, the DMCA exclusion is leading to electronic protections that are harder to crack because they are now the only line of defense.
Also, if they sold you a general computing device, but restricted the software you could put on it, then we would have a right to complain because a device isn't a very general computing device if it only runs canned software. Unfortunately, T-Mobile sold us a phone and the phone has to make calls primarily, and a smartphone further should provide some data access for the phone and, nowadays, the ability to install apps through a designed mechanism. There is nothing about the class of device that we were sold that implies the ability to run an arbitrary firmware or system software. They may not be able to stop us from doing that, but they don't have to allow it.
Consider that even in a general computing device, like a PC, there are parts that run software that you cannot modify. The firmware on DVD or Blu-Ray drives tends to be fairly locked down. Nobody cries fowl about that because the DVD/BR drive was sold for the purpose of reading (and sometimes writing) approved discs, not as a general computing device that will run whatever software you choose to load on it...

Gaalaagaa,
So with that logic, you can buy, let's say any car and then just decide that because "you want" or "you can" you'll remove the stock engine and drop in anything you want and then expect the manufacturer to cover it no matter what.
I'm all for root and using my G2 how I please, but that statement is moronic.
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HTC is listening

Thanks so much for providing feedback, we hear your concerns. Your satisfaction is a top priority for us and we're working hard to ensure you have great experiences with our phones. We're reviewing the issue and our policy around bootloaders and will provide more information soon. Thank you for your interest, support and willingness to share your feedback.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-bootloaders/10150305151453084

Yeah just read that. Surprised they actually responded.
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so am i so am i

They should listen if they don't want their sales to plummet (im assuming the majority of consumers root their phone) Lol!

Well atleast they're listening. Probably wont accomplish anything but it doesn't hurt to voice your opinion. I know I wrote on the page 3 times
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i bet the bean counters are looking over whether or not pissing off the dev community will cause excessive loss on the consumer end...
if it doesnt affect the bottom line, htc wont do a thing
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they may be listening, but thats probably it. Its already too late to do anything for the EVO3D unless HTC happens to "accidently" release the decryption key.

Yea. Too little too late
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captblaze said:
i bet the bean counters are looking over whether or not pissing off the dev community will cause excessive loss on the consumer end...
if it doesnt affect the bottom line, htc wont do a thing
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I am a little curious how it would affect them. I have no doubt that most of us loyal Evo users have pushed our friends and family to purchase HTC phones. My wife wanted the Epic but I urged her to get the Evo Shift due to the difference in quality and history of software updates. I have friends who now have the Evo because of my input.
I have to imagine that we do have the power to make a difference in HTC's sales but is it enough to matter to them?

Sprint will shut this effort down.
Unless people at HTC are geniuses and can quickly figure out a way to disable or limit tethering w/o locking the phone.

nabbed said:
Sprint will shut this effort down.
Unless people at HTC are geniuses and can quickly figure out a way to disable or limit tethering w/o locking the phone.
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Um... we can tether with root. Please educate yourself.
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nabbed said:
Sprint will shut this effort down.
Unless people at HTC are geniuses and can quickly figure out a way to disable or limit tethering w/o locking the phone.
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Sprint is the ONLY carrier that is doing ANYTHING to support openness so I'm really not sure what in the world you're talking about.
This signed bootloader BS is pure HTC.

Just saw this. If they listen, I might get the 3D, otherwise its back to an iPhone, because really, what's the different without root? Not much.
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Sprint could care less whether you can hack tethering or not. They are pushing the air cards anyways. My account manager told me this today.

You guys act like HTC/Sprint need the dev community to stay afloat. Truth is we make up less than 1% of their sales and the only reason we are heard at all is because we put forth much more effort and have a lot more knowledge than the common user.
In all reality HTC can make a completely unlock-able/uncrackable boot loader and their sales will take absolutely no significant hit...It sucks, but it's reality and it's the way it is...
This is still very good news and i'm happy to hear that HTC is at least hearing us out, no matter how insignificant we may be...Or maybe they just realize that no matter what they do, our devs are better than theirs and can crack anything they try to lock in due time so the effort they put forth to lock us out isn't really worth it...

captblaze said:
i bet the bean counters are looking over whether or not pissing off the dev community will cause excessive loss on the consumer end...
if it doesnt affect the bottom line, htc wont do a thing
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most users dont root their phones.

mattykinsx said:
Sprint is the ONLY carrier that is doing ANYTHING to support openness so I'm really not sure what in the world you're talking about.
This signed bootloader BS is pure HTC.
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sprint does not condone rooting.

starplaya93 said:
You guys act like HTC/Sprint need the dev community to stay afloat. Truth is we make up less than 1% of their sales and the only reason we are heard at all is because we put forth much more effort and have a lot more knowledge than the common user.
In all reality HTC can make a completely unlock-able/uncrackable boot loader and their sales will take absolutely no significant hit...It sucks, but it's reality and it's the way it is...
This is still very good news and i'm happy to hear that HTC is at least hearing us out, no matter how insignificant we may be...Or maybe they just realize that no matter what they do, our devs are better than theirs and can crack anything they try to lock in due time so the effort they put forth to lock us out isn't really worth it...
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Might as well expand your consumer base as much as you can. The other 99% who don't root their phones don't really care if the bootloader is locked or not. With an easily unlockable bootloader, that 1% that does root their phones can grow. Devs are smart, and HTC could take some hints from them.

they may change their bootloader policy in future phones, not the 3d which is about ready to ship.

Yeah, their response is stock customer service response..
of COURSE their listening. Of COURSE they're considering. Of COURSE they care.
I think, I KNOW... there is absolutely ZERO chance they will change their course of action publicly.
It might however increase the chance of some leak happening tho......pleeaase!

Sign this petition to stop htc locking bootloaders

Please sign this petition to put a stop to htc and their locked bootloaders. Takes 5secs. Even if your not getting this phone you should still sign it, so this wont happen to fututure phones.
http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/

http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/

Already signed and added to sig, thanks.

Signed allredy. Hope in the future we have free Android.

thanks for this. signed up. they just lost a Sensation customer because of this.

Come on people. Hit this up

Bump again..

this is just wasting of time.... you need to grow up people.

greg17477 said:
this is just wasting of time.... you need to grow up people.
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That didn't even make sense. Dumbest thing I heard all day. Thanks for the laugh. Anyways back on topic, hit this up.

greg17477 said:
this is just wasting of time.... you need to grow up people.
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In a way, it may be. If you think of it, MOST HTC phones come with locked bootloaders. If you have not seen already, please read:
http://androidforums.com/evo-3d-all...otloader-but-its-big-problem.html#post2725969
I signed the groubal anyway

Signed...................

e334 said:
In a way, it may be. If you think of it, MOST HTC phones come with locked bootloaders. If you have not seen already, please read:
http://androidforums.com/evo-3d-all...otloader-but-its-big-problem.html#post2725969
I signed the groubal anyway
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Yes, its an interresting post. But this concerns mostly (if not only) us the customisers. But the avarage Joe (which is like 99,9% of the sold phones) is happy with the phone as it comes and he doesnt need open or unlocked bootloader or phone. The point is, the avarage Joe is save from bricking his phone and thats a good thing from Joes point of view and also from the phone manufacturers (they want to sell phones, not swap the damaged ones). Ofcourse i would like to get open bootloader or phone straight out of the box, but i fully understand why the companies do not want it.

greg17477 said:
Yes, its an interresting post. But this concerns mostly (if not only) us the customisers. But the avarage Joe (which is like 99,9% of the sold phones) is happy with the phone as it comes and he doesnt need open or unlocked bootloader or phone. The point is, the avarage Joe is save from bricking his phone and thats a good thing from Joes point of view and also from the phone manufacturers (they want to sell phones, not swap the damaged ones). Ofcourse i would like to get open bootloader or phone straight out of the box, but i fully understand why the companies do not want it.
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Bricking... that's one thing but you didn't mention the big picture.
Money
I love it, you love it, and HTC sure as hell does too. Nothing personal it's just business, business as usual... simple as that.
If it weren't for this fabulous forum I would of probably upgraded my phone twice by now if not at least once since owning the HD2, provided I had enough funds... All these "unauthorized" OS updates I'm getting has definitely been a factor for NOT upgrading my phone. That's profit loss for both HTC and the carriers that sell them. Then there's all these "unenlightened" ones who come to this forum and brick their phones because they've failed to properly follow directions. Then turn around and claim fraudulent warranty damage. I don't know how much net loss this actually costs but I'm pretty sure it's enough that it makes a difference. Either way, at the end of the day it's all about maximizing profits. This isn't a charity folks..... HTC has expensive mouths to feed.

do you really need 2 threads going? 1 in gneral and 1 in android?
presonally it doesnt bother me if they lock it or not, they are doing it for business reasons and as stated above money, i was going to reply to this yesterday but after typing out what i was going to put, most people would get pissy and *****y

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Bricking... that's one thing but you didn't mention the big picture.
Money
I love it, you love it, and HTC sure as hell does too. Nothing personal it's just business, business as usual... simple as that.
If it weren't for this fabulous forum I would of probably upgraded my phone twice by now if not at least once since owning the HD2, provided I had enough funds... All these "unauthorized" OS updates I'm getting has definitely been a factor for NOT upgrading my phone. That's profit loss for both HTC and the carriers that sell them. Then there's all these "unenlightened" ones who come to this forum and brick their phones because they've failed to properly follow directions. Then turn around and claim fraudulent warranty damage. I don't know how much net loss this actually costs but I'm pretty sure it's enough that it makes a difference. Either way, at the end of the day it's all about maximizing profits. This isn't a charity folks..... HTC has expensive mouths to feed.
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yeah i mentioned it (they want sell and not swap the damaged ones), but not as clearly as you did

"There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC
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https://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084

was just gonna post the same thing

greg17477 said:
this is just wasting of time.... you need to grow up people.
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Ha. You got anything else to say? Didnt think so

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Ha. You got anything else to say? Didnt think so
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Haha awesome. its amazing when the people speak and those in charge actually listen.

signed it!

It could soon be illegal to root and mod any device!

Subject says it all... let me know what you think!
http://s4gru.spruz.com/pt/Will-it-s...ilbreak-or-MOD-your-personal-devices/blog.htm
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The funny thing is that is Apple is the one crying about it. I don't think it will affect us since Google is open source. And with the nexus line these phones are considered" developer phones" so I don't think it will affect the Android community.
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Screw apple. Now that steve jobs is gone, I hope they crumble as a company. He was the power source that brought them such big business and now they're crying about every little thing android does. Waaa waa cry us a river. Oh, and its illegal to do a lot of things. We'll keep doing them if it makes us feel good.
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Well i dont think it gonna pass and if it does who is gonna stop me from rooting/hacking my own sh*t..

It's useless to try and legally ban people from customizing the tech they own. If governments/corporations try, they'll fail and only harm themselves.

That would have to reverse the supreme court ruling that once purchased we can do what we want with our device. This was a suit for the PS3. Sony still had the right to deny services but could do no legal action on modded PS3s. The same will stand for our phones. The worst that could happen is a clause is added to our contracts giving the carrier the right to refuse service to rooted devices.

I Hope your wrong about the phone service
Still, being able to deny service would suck considering the only reason why I rooted my device to begin with was for the WiFi Hack. However, if any one out there know answer me this. How would sprint or another service provider figure out that your phone is rooted? From a noobs point of view I see no way of them finding out anything unless they sell you a phone that's bugged. But if you think about it for you window 7 users out there, windows gives the option to install a bug that determines if your windows is genuine but does not come preinstalled.

I really don't think it will effect us I been hacking before the bill passed an I will b if I don't get exstented, nothing changed really I don't think. I'm more worried about sopa
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Frostacious said:
Still, being able to deny service would suck considering the only reason why I rooted my device to begin with was for the WiFi Hack. However, if any one out there know answer me this. How would sprint or another service provider figure out that your phone is rooted? From a noobs point of view I see no way of them finding out anything unless they sell you a phone that's bugged. But if you think about it for you window 7 users out there, windows gives the option to install a bug that determines if your windows is genuine but does not come preinstalled.
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Google knows every app on your phone. If you have 1 app for rooted phones then you are probably rooted. Sprint can ping your phone and get the kernel, firmware and baseband you are running. If it doesn't show stock numbers, they know you are rooted.
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kennyglass123 said:
Google knows every app on your phone. If you have 1 app for rooted phones then you are probably rooted. Sprint can ping your phone and get the kernel, firmware and baseband you are running. If it doesn't show stock numbers, they know you are rooted.
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They don't care because half ifnot moe of the Android community is rooted, what's pathetic is there people who work for sprint and othr cariers are rooted. But then you have some assholes who think they know it all and don't care if you rooted your denied.
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txtmikhail said:
Well i dont think it gonna pass and if it does who is gonna stop me from rooting/hacking my own sh*t..
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Assuming you can do it all on your own and don't require any outside information or collaboration then technically nobody will stop you or likely even know. However if this decision does expire and it becomes a potential crime then you will see a lot less innovation.

XxLostSoulxX said:
They don't care because half ifnot moe of the Android community is rooted, what's pathetic is there people who work for sprint and othr cariers are rooted. But then you have some assholes who think they know it all and don't care if you rooted your denied.
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If you're referring to the 'Android community' as the 'Android userbase' then I think you're WAY off. Not a chance 50% of the people with an Android phone are rooted. I mean, think of all the 40+ year olds that have android phones and hardly know how to use a touch screen, let alone anything about root. It may appear that way considering we're on this forum together or the friends you have, but I assure you, that number is probably much, much closer to 5-10% if that. Even that's a stretch. Doesn't android have like 300,000 activations per day going or something like that? There is no way half those people are rooting their phones.
Back on topic, the carrier can certainly check to see what's running on your phone as kenny (I think) posted previously. Also as stated above, I don't think this is anything to worry about as there has already been a precendent set about making it illegal. Carriers denying service to your handset knowing it's rooted is another topic though.

See, I remember when competition was about innovation, and if you wanted to keep yourself in business, the best way was to make something revolutionary. If Apple wants to keep itself in business, at least in the mobile market where they make the majority of income, they need to out innovate Android. Naysaying, and saying this is infringing on something, is not innovation. I mean the lockscreen is one thing that gets me, on Google it goes two ways, Google INNOVATED better then Apple, yet that is what they sue them for. Really?

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If you're referring to the 'Android community' as the 'Android userbase' then I think you're WAY off. Not a chance 50% of the people with an Android phone are rooted.
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I fully agree. While all 4 of my Android phones are rooted, over the couple dozen people I know that have Androids, only 1 other person has rooted their phone.

Well this sucks..... if of course it passes anyways
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See, I remember when competition was about innovation, and if you wanted to keep yourself in business, the best way was to make something revolutionary. If Apple wants to keep itself in business, at least in the mobile market where they make the majority of income, they need to out innovate Android. Naysaying, and saying this is infringing on something, is not innovation. I mean the lockscreen is one thing that gets me, on Google it goes two ways, Google INNOVATED better then Apple, yet that is what they sue them for. Really?
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Its sad how true this is. Before apple would just do their own thing, creating their products like the Ipod, not caring about what other MP3 devises may be out there. They just made it better. Now they get upset that the idea they stole has been modified and used by google... give me a F* break. end rant

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Well i dont think it gonna pass and if it does who is gonna stop me from rooting/hacking my own sh*t..
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Your comment makes sense none.
There's nothing to pass. This is about an existing law/exemption permitting smartphone hacking to expire.
Personally, I could care less. Samsung isn't going to sue us (though Sprint could), and Samsung already has open bootloaders.
The folks that should be worried are iPhone hackers. Apple will sue them into oblivion, and shoot themselves in the process.

I dont think they would go after the users, but they would go after source of information. Eitherway i dont like it. our devices we buy, should be for us to do as we please. i dont like restrictions, goverment should focus on other things more important than to stop innovation for the sake of companies profit. And companies should concentrate on putting quality products out there.

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I dont think they would go after the users, but they would go after source of information. Eitherway i dont like it. our devices we buy, should be for us to do as we please. i dont like restrictions, goverment should focus on other things more important than to stop innovation for the sake of companies profit. And companies should concentrate on putting quality products out there.
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Agree 100%! Once you buy a device it is yours to do what you please with it! If you want to risk bricking it or voiding the warranty, that should be your prerogative and nobody should be able to tell you otherwise! No matter if its a windows phone, iphone, or android you should be able to do as you please once you own the device...
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if i can buy a phone and smash it to the ground into a million little pieces just because, with no repercussion, i should be able to mod the software with out any problems as well.

!!! Exemption Legalizing Rooting And Jailbreaking Will Expire SOON !!!

Exemption Legalizing Rooting And Jailbreaking Will Expire, Let’s Petition To Renew It!
Saw THIS article in the XDA portal. I thought it would be in everybody's best interest to check it out. Basically is that the exemption that allows us to legally Root, modify, Hack, or whatever ours phones is going to be Expire SOON. If we don't act it could quite possibly become illegal to Root your own phone. So guys I really think you should check the links out. I believe the deadline is Feb. 10th. Come on guys protect your rights.
Exemption Legalizing Rooting And Jailbreaking Will Expire, Let’s Petition To Renew It!
Submit a comment to the US Copyright Office
SIGN THE PETITION

If that kind of crap passes we all just need to boycott the big boys. That's just a bunch of bulls**t.

Like I've said before. If we don't stand up and be counted, they will slowly take all our rights.

If android is open source then we should be okay if the law passes? I can see it affecting apple which I don't care cause I will never own one of there products
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YoungCorruptionV2.0 said:
If android is open source then we should be okay if the law passes? I can see it affecting apple which I don't care cause I will never own one of there products
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Android (A.O.S.P.) may be open source but sense, motoblur, touchwiz, and any other manufacturers ui are all closed source builds... If those companies want to be dicks they can say we are messing with copyrights...
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This is why I hate the united states government I mean really we should stand against them, they don't own us or anything we buy, I hate the fact that the ONLY reason we have a "free country" is they can't touch amendment #2 and I think its about time we take our country back, the government does absolutely nothing but screw us....I could go on all day about that things I literally hate about our government and the funny thing is I can't think of one thing I appreciate from them...and im going to stop it at that....I hope one big ass mistake amaerica reads this too, he knows who he is
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Oh geez, first sopa and now this bs. Honestly I don't care anymore. People were unlocking all types of phones (not just smartphones) before all of this even became legal. There were various hacking sites and guides that never got shut down...people never got arrested ect. They can't stop people from doing whatever the f*** they want to their own phones plain and simple. They can try but I don't think they'll get too far especially now that it's already been exempt once.

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Oh geez, first sopa and now this bs. Honestly I don't care anymore. People were unlocking all types of phones (not just smartphones) before all of this even became legal. There were various hacking sites and guides that never got shut down...people never got arrested ect. They can't stop people from doing whatever the f*** they want to their own phones plain and simple. They can try but I don't think they'll get too far especially now that it's already been exempt once.
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Technically, if you didnt outright buy the device, you are "renting" it... I hate to say it but if you look at your T.O.S. it's in there... Kinda sucks, but... What sprint doesnt know, wont hurt sprint...
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Yes but if you read the Bill Proposel in one of the links. They actually mean all phones. Which is kind of like telling you, that you can only paint the inside of your house White. Regardless if it's yours or not.

drob311 said:
Technically, if you didnt outright buy the device, you are "renting" it... I hate to say it but if you look at your T.O.S. it's in there... Kinda sucks, but... What sprint doesnt know, wont hurt sprint...
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Yeah, I remember the G1 days when a lot of people weren't use to rooting phones and the methods were a lot more difficult such as flashing your eng hboot in a crapy recovery. The brick risk was a lot higher then it is now and easier for people to turn their phones into a paperweight lol. Now days it seems a lot easier to root and if you have some issues to just unroot everything back to stock and your still covered in your T.O.S.

I can still remember when the FCC would not allow retailers to sell phones. They could only be rented from the phone company, and were those clunky square units with the front number pad (or rotary in some cases). Things really have not changed.
PS Before making your jokes about how old I must be, this really was not that long ago (I am younger than 35).

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I can still remember when the FCC would not allow retailers to sell phones. They could only be rented from the phone company, and were those clunky square units with the front number pad (or rotary in some cases). Things really have not changed.
PS Before making your jokes about how old I must be, this really was not that long ago (I am younger than 35).
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Im with ya... The nokia 910 was one of those old school phones, or what about the 6 inch thick moto flip phones (my very first cell phone ) I remember with the moto there wasn't even text messaging...
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all of the current legislation surounding the tech industry is crap lately. at least SOPA is done with (for now)
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