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IRT this article:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-sour...r-android-becoming-a-political-liability/7588
Just wondering about T-Mobile's stance in essentially going against this by openly preventing customization of the OS, if this is enforceable and if they are in fact in violation of anything at this point. Thoughts?
Is this something that could lead to a class-action lawsuit..? Just curious. Looked and didn't see if there were any other threads related to this issue.. if there is, sorry for the redundancy.
Hate to be an the apologist here, but I just don't see how this is T-Mobile's fault.
That claim could have passed a month-two ago, but now we have the Desire HD and Desire Z which have similar/same protections yet are unbranded, simfree HTC devices. It definitely seems like this was more of an HTC idea that T-Mobile embraced.
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Hate to be an the apologist here, but I just don't see how this is T-Mobile's fault.
That claim could have passed a month-two ago, but now we have the Desire HD and Desire Z which have similar/same protections yet are unbranded, simfree HTC devices. It definitely seems like this was more of an HTC idea that T-Mobile embraced.
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Agreed.
Overall this isn't T-Mo's fault and we shouldn't be pointing the finger at them. HTC is the culprit. It will be interesting to see if anything comes of this.
My original understanding of this "agreement" was that Apple/Microsoft/Google couldn't sue the people that jailbroke/rooted/hacked the phones. Meaning, the jailbreakers of the iPhone could literally parade in front of Job's face that "Hey, I am the one who created the jailbreak software" and Apple couldn't sue them. I didn't think the "agreement" had anything to do with companies preventing such customizations. Maybe I just missed it.
I would much rather see these eFuse type chips and what not go away. I understand that root shouldn't be a push button option but a few hours of work by a smart dev should be enough of a deterrent from your avg joe to prevent random bricks.
I agree with what is above - this is in no way T-Mobile's fault. Also, this is a repost as well.
have you guys ever heard "you are the company you keep" or "aiding and abetting" or "accessory to...." bottom line t-mobile has their name branded on the phone and in the phone. they knew about this sh*t so they are just as responsible. trust me i've had my run in's with the law a couple of time to know how technical stuff like this gets.
t-mobile knew what was in the phone when they received it and even before so why shouldn't they be held just as responsible. If my name and signature is on a product I sell and endorse then why shouldn't I be held responsible? Its common sense
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t-mobile has responsibilities for any t-mobile branded phone
I have faith the G2 will be fully rooted, in spite of HTC and/or T-Mobile.....HTC really pulled a Motorola on this one (trying to lock the phone up)....I have no doubt that if t-mobile pushed HTC an easy root solution could easily be forthcoming, but T-mobile is just playing the 'not my fault' bs game....
I have to be content knowing the G2 is the best Android phone currently on the market, and that the dev community will defeat root (once radio/hboot is fully dealt with....)....at least VISIONARY temp root allows easy wireless tether and Titanium in the meantime....
Its wrong. As soon as you buy something and becomes yours nobody should tell you how to use it or what to use it for. If I buy a phone to wipe my ass that shouldn't be tmobiles bussines. All they should be worried about is to sell phones and give services, but forbidding ppl to do what they want with what's theirs its very very wrong....and idiotic
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bigstunta101 said:
have you guys ever heard "you are the company you keep" or "aiding and abetting" or "accessory to...." bottom line t-mobile has their name branded on the phone and in the phone. they knew about this sh*t so they are just as responsible. trust me i've had my run in's with the law a couple of time to know how technical stuff like this gets.
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All they did was slap their name on something HTC created. You can't tell me you actually hold T-Mo responsible for something they didn't engineer? If they knew about it and didn't like it what do you think HTC would have done? Gone to ATT or switched it to a CDMA radio... oh wait they already basically have a copy cat coming out for Verizon. HTC can deal without selling through T-Mo. They'll survive.
nighthawk626 said:
t-mobile knew what was in the phone when they received it and even before so why shouldn't they be held just as responsible. If my name and signature is on a product I sell and endorse then why shouldn't I be held responsible? Its common sense
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You're common sense misleads you.
If you think T-Mo really has ANY influence over HTC you are mistaken. HTC sells through all 4 of the major carriers. They would just take their "G2" somewhere else. Blame the person that engineered the phone not the carrier to prints their name on it and throws a SIM card in it.
gaalaagaa said:
Its wrong. As soon as you buy something and becomes yours nobody should tell you how to use it or what to use it for. If I buy a phone to wipe my ass that shouldn't be tmobiles bussines. All they should be worried about is to sell phones and give services, but forbidding ppl to do what they want with what's theirs its very very wrong....and idiotic
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One problem...
There is a pesky thing called a warranty. If T-Mo/HTC provide a warranty, which they do, then they are obligated to fix/exchange a phone which cannot perform for its intended use. So if you bought a phone, rooted it, and royally F'ed it up because you are stupid and don't know what you are going you could then take it back to T-Mo and say it doesn't do what I bought it for and they would be obligated to fix it/provide a working one.
Consequently, to ensure as few people as possible root it they locked it down with this read-only NAND. They are protecting their arse.
Do I agree with it? No but I understand why they do what they do.
Warranty exchanges costs HTC money... so they want to ensure that as few warranty claims as possible are related to idiots doing something they shouldn't be or don't comprehend what they are doing.
It's a money game... nothing more nothing less.
@superfly u must work for tmobile and they must pay you good. Tmobile just cares about their damn money and sales. This ain't volunteer work for hurricane HTC. They are paid to sell the damn phones. Nobody put a gun to their head and told them to sell it. They are in it all the way even if all they did was slap their name on it. It officially states "hey I'm endorsing this product and all it comes with" endorsement comes with being held equally responsible. Just like in elections whatever one person in the party does that messes things up could ruin the whole party therefore everyone is held responsible even if they were on vacation when it happened. Here in the military that I'm in, its called accountability. There's no way of arguing your way out of something you are in ties with because it obviously has your imprints all over it. Simple as that
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My dear brown nose friend Superfly:
IF tmobile cant handle that then they should close the company. Im sorry. I do as i please with what i paid for.Warranty only covers some things "which most of the time covers nothing" If i decide to wipe my ass with it then warranty wont cover it, if i decide to root it and brick it warranty wont cover it as simple as that...but then again i should do as i please with what is mine. We all know they could care less about you effin up your phone, all they want is being able to control what kind of os you got and bla bla bla only for sales porpuses.
When T-mo put thier name on it, they take all responsibility that comes with it.
First off, the article is trying to put blame on google... I just want to know how they cam e around to that. It feels like such a biased article. And how come there's no mention of Apple's practices? Or mentions of RIM? On top of that, it's already been said that this "rootkit" is bunked. Security measures are for the safety of the phone, usually. Why do they need to lock out the phone? You can cause a lot of havoc on the network with root access. (in fact, I kinda remember reading about an app that did just that when installed on rooted phones) It's in the interest of the customers to actually provide these security features. Just because we, as the technically inclined, get it, doesn't mean the average user should be punished.
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@superfly u must work for tmobile and they must pay you good.
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I work for a public accounting firm and I'm a CPA... want to try again?
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Tmobile just cares about their damn money and sales. This ain't volunteer work for hurricane HTC. They are paid to sell the damn phones.
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They make their money providing service for the phones they sell...
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Nobody put a gun to their head and told them to sell it. They are in it all the way even if all they did was slap their name on it.
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This is just silly. T-Mo might exchange handsets but all the costs end up back on HTC depending on their agreement.
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It officially states "hey I'm endorsing this product and all it comes with" endorsement comes with being held equally responsible.
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Again, do you think they had any part in the dev of the phone?
nighthawk626 said:
Just like in elections whatever one person in the party does that messes things up could ruin the whole party therefore everyone is held responsible even if they were on vacation when it happened. Here in the military that I'm in, its called accountability. There's no way of arguing your way out of something you are in ties with because it obviously has your imprints all over it. Simple as that
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Really? it's that simple?
So does Verizon, T-Mo, AT&T and Sprint take the fall for the Galaxy S debacle? They all have the same issue and all the customers are pissed off for the same reason so it is the carrier's fault? No, it is Samsung's fault. The fault lies with the person who made the phone and the software on the phone. Samsung should be held accountable for their failure of a phone... just like HTC should be held accountable if they are indeed in violation of this accord.
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My dear brown nose friend Superfly:
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I have 0 loyalties to T-Mo. This is actually the first T-Mo phone I've owned. In the past 3 years I've moved from VZW to ATT to Sprint to VZW to T-Mo. I don't give a crap about any carrier specifically. Moving on.
gaalaagaa said:
IF tmobile cant handle that then they should close the company.
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Handle what exactly?
gaalaagaa said:
Im sorry. I do as i please with what i paid for. Warranty only covers some things "which most of the time covers nothing" If i decide to wipe my ass with it then warranty wont cover it, if i decide to root it and brick it warranty wont cover it as simple as that...but then again i should do as i please with what is mine.
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And what happens when someone roots their phone and takes it back and whines and biotches until they get a replacement? People abuse the warranty system which is why things are so tight these days. I don't disagree with your position, I wish I could basically "one click root" on day 0. It would be sweet but that's not the way the world is.
gaalaagaa said:
We all know they could care less about you effin up your phone, all they want is being able to control what kind of os you got and bla bla bla only for sales porpuses.
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Only for sales purposes? There are 100 other reasons for control over the content besides "sales". What does "sales" even include?
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When T-mo put thier name on it, they take all responsibility that comes with it.
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Bull... I completely disagree with this. If their customizations caused problems then yes it is their fault but just because their put their name on it doesn't make it their fault. HTC designed, manufactured and marketed the phone... T-Mo printed their name on the glass and provided you with service. That's it.
LOL...another "class-action?" thread. Why not take the initiative and start the class action process if you are so curious about it? Speak to a lawyer, read up on the requirements for a class-action suit. I don't think anyone in a forum is gonna actually do that.
For all you people *****in about the locked nand Stop *****in about it yesh. Don't like it get another phone. There are plenty of other phones you can root and such.
Nobody is saying that tmobile made the phone but don't sit there and tell me that when they were picking this phone as part of their lineup, they didn't play with it or even look at it at all. Bottom line is they knew what was in the phone, I'm sure they were hoping the hinge issue wouldn't blow up like it did and also they knew about rooting and tethering some that's why I'm sure they continued to put it in their line up. It wasn't just tossed on their lap. They have phone testers and possibly hired rooters and devs to test how rootable this phone is. Either way they are accountable
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Bull crap. Ill buy the phone i want and root the phone i want because i want. Point blank
Nobody has forbidden anyone to root this phone. They made it hard to do and they put up a very clever stumbling block, but they didn't forbid it.
You can crack the phone open and look at every part of it, nobody will stop you, but they don't have to put a button on the side that makes it fall apart so that you can do it easily.
Similarly, if the community figures out the mechanism used to protect the ROM, then you can root it and install the software you want, but that doesn't mean the manufacturer or carrier are required to make it easy for you to do so.
The zdnet article cites the recent DMCA exclusion as meaning that we have the right to put whatever software we want on the phone. That exclusion provided no such right. It says that the federal courts will not prosecute us for defeating electronic protections in the phone - it doesn't make it illegal for the manufacturers to put those protections in the phone in the first place.
It's like a law limiting the penalties for jumping a fence - such a law wouldn't make fences themselves illegal. In fact, such a law would likely lead to fences that are harder to jump since the property owners could no longer rely on threat of prosecution to keep people from trying. Similarly, the DMCA exclusion is leading to electronic protections that are harder to crack because they are now the only line of defense.
Also, if they sold you a general computing device, but restricted the software you could put on it, then we would have a right to complain because a device isn't a very general computing device if it only runs canned software. Unfortunately, T-Mobile sold us a phone and the phone has to make calls primarily, and a smartphone further should provide some data access for the phone and, nowadays, the ability to install apps through a designed mechanism. There is nothing about the class of device that we were sold that implies the ability to run an arbitrary firmware or system software. They may not be able to stop us from doing that, but they don't have to allow it.
Consider that even in a general computing device, like a PC, there are parts that run software that you cannot modify. The firmware on DVD or Blu-Ray drives tends to be fairly locked down. Nobody cries fowl about that because the DVD/BR drive was sold for the purpose of reading (and sometimes writing) approved discs, not as a general computing device that will run whatever software you choose to load on it...
Gaalaagaa,
So with that logic, you can buy, let's say any car and then just decide that because "you want" or "you can" you'll remove the stock engine and drop in anything you want and then expect the manufacturer to cover it no matter what.
I'm all for root and using my G2 how I please, but that statement is moronic.
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If true...
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/04/developer-troubled-times-ahead-for-anyone-who-roots/
Oh and where's the tags that the mods add in on My threads about my girl blowing everyone lol I'm still waiting haaaaa update there it is
Oh nooooooeeessss!!!
Sigh.
This really makes me want to just use a laptop for a phone now.
At least I can do what I want with my laptop's data connection.
WTF!??
10char
f***
OK, this is the kinda stuff where either Google needs to get its balls back and *****-slap the carriers, or the FCC needs to actually step in to protect customers.
Either way, it's bull****. Screw Verizon and every other carrier that does this.
this is me forgetting to thank you.
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OK, this is the kinda stuff where either Google needs to get its balls back and *****-slap the carriers, or the FCC needs to actually step in to protect customers.
Either way, it's bull****. Screw Verizon and every other carrier that does this.
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+1
I will never buy a phone from a carrier that implements this crap
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ok, this is the kinda stuff where either google needs to get its balls back and *****-slap the carriers, or the fcc needs to actually step in to protect customers.
Either way, it's bull****. Screw verizon and every other carrier that does this.
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I agree this is total B.S.
lost_man10002 said:
+1
I will never buy a phone from a carrier that implements this crap
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No one should, the consumers run this together we can boycott any carrier who does this dictatorship bull****, I pledge I will not support any carrier who does this.
I'd rather take my evo and flash to cricket
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drmacinyasha said:
OK, this is the kinda stuff where either Google needs to get its balls back and *****-slap the carriers, or the FCC needs to actually step in to protect customers.
Either way, it's bull****. Screw Verizon and every other carrier that does this.
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+1
This brought tears to my eyes.
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Eff that. I will not buy a phone like that... If I have to go back to dumbphones... Then so be it.
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It will never happen. The backlash would just be too much to handle.
And if manufacturers were to begin implementing these types of lockdowns, you know for a fact that they'll just be hacked around sooner or later.
Hello? We are discussing this on XDA... Home to undoubtedly the best group of white hat device hackers I've seen.
We all assume risk when rooting our devices and given the more open nature of Android, there's always the concern that some application will start stealing your data. It's a risk I'm willing to take and I'm sure most everyone else here as well.
mkhopper said:
It will never happen. The backlash would just be too much to handle.
And if manufacturers were to begin implementing these types of lockdowns, you know for a fact that they'll just be hacked around sooner or later.
Hello? We are discussing this on XDA... Home to undoubtedly the best group of white hat device hackers I've seen.
We all assume risk when rooting our devices and given the more open nature of Android, there's always the concern that some application will start stealing your data. It's a risk I'm willing to take and I'm sure most everyone else here as well.
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Here's the problem with what you stated, the percentage of users rooted compared to non rooted, well are not even close, if they did lock out every new phone with master keys that we would never be able to figure out, well it could happen. Even if they did lose every rooted users support financially, they would still have more than 95 percent of their profiT, that's my fear, it'll hurt but not if sprint, Verizon, etc pays the difference or that kind of sort of thing. For example to make it easy, say all rooted user cause 600,000 in lost profit for sprint that they could have potentially gained, well HTC goes hey well lock the device but we want the difference from the users like us who will not purchase the phone. Anyway that's my take on it, enlighten me with your guys thoughts
It may be time to dust off my Razr.
Carriers get smart, devs get smarter......lets not jump the gun and worry about this nonsense now. I will enjoy my rooted phone for now. If this does go down those of you saying you will go to "dumbphones" are full of it. Even if these phones are locked down tighter than a 17 year old girls tuna you will still use it. I see the future as phones will be so fast why would you need to root; I love to root, I've been rooting ALL my phones since g1 and the sole purpose was the speed my phone up. Dual core phone no root ehh who cares. I will NOT use a free phone just because these phones in the future will possibly be locked. One can only hope this security doesn't see light but if it does I'm sure we'll be ok.
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Here's the problem with what you stated, the percentage of users rooted compared to non rooted, well are not even close, if they did lock out every new phone with master keys that we would never be able to figure out, well it could happen. Even if they did lose every rooted users support financially, they would still have more than 95 percent of their profiT, that's my fear, it'll hurt but not if sprint, Verizon, etc pays the difference or that kind of sort of thing. For example to make it easy, say all rooted user cause 600,000 in lost profit for sprint that they could have potentially gained, well HTC goes hey well lock the device but we want the difference from the users like us who will not purchase the phone. Anyway that's my take on it, enlighten me with your guys thoughts
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I've heard the "rooted users are the extreme minority" comment countless times, and all logic says it really must be true.
However, when I go to the market, click apps, then all applications, then click top paid, 3 of the top 5 require root. As an honest question, are my market results tailored for my usage history or is that the same "top paid" list everyone sees? If it is indeed the same for everyone then it becomes much harder to quantify rooted users being in the minority.
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Carriers get smart, devs get smarter......lets not jump the gun and worry about this nonsense now. I will enjoy my rooted phone for now. If this does go down those of you saying you will go to "dumbphones" are full of it. Even if these phones are locked down tighter than a 17 year old girls tuna you will still use it. I see the future as phones will be so fast why would you need to root; I love to root, I've been rooting ALL my phones since g1 and the sole purpose was the speed my phone up. Dual core phone no root ehh who cares. I will NOT use a free phone just because these phones in the future will possibly be locked. One can only hope this security doesn't see light but if it does I'm sure we'll be ok.
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Completely agree about the smartphone part but do not about the master key part, it would take years like 75 - 100 if the key is properly secure for many and I mean many super computers to solve that algorithm...look at the droids, the only reason on a side note the ps3 master key was released was because the people who secured it messed up in the formula, and that still took 5 years..
the consequence would never be the same.
http://http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/mob/2327488580.html
Hello my name is john.
I am able to modify your
HTC EVO 4g.
to have sprint hots spot for free for lifetime!! nice huh??
that means that your not paying an extra 30$ a month for mobile hot spot.
better yet, you will get full control over your phone!
and i mean if you thought android gave you a lot of customization you have not seen anything yet.
you dont know what your missing.
============Benefits & Features============
I can put phone back to factory settings or in other words unroot your phone if you needed to send it to sprint for service
Upgrade your phone to Ginerbread! (Froyo aka 2.2 is the current version for evo) Gingerbread aka 2.3.3 has not been officially released.
Custom ROMS enable you to get better battery life, and can make your experience better!
Full control over everything in your phone.
you can overclock your phone for better performance!
I will perform a full backup of your contacts so you wont lose anyone.
Free wireless hotspot & tethering to your pc
4g will work with my custom rom i install on your phone.
New animations and you can change your boot startup! yes its possible
Create a recovery just incase of system failure
Get rid off the sprint crap off your phone that slow down your phone!
Hey check this out. when you press the stand by button. there is a cool animation. this is one of my favorite things
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wClA8sU5SH8
how cool is that? now whens the last time that you saw a cell phone do that!
For only 60 dollars, and the process takes only about 30 mins or less.
you can sit and watch while i do it.
Cash only accepted. Sorry
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lame
Yep. Old news. People do this. It's stupid. Whatever.
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Eh there's a lot of people that are completely clueless when it comes to this kind of stuff. Not only clueless, but too scared to even try it and don't want to take the time to learn it.
If you can make some change, take advantage of it. *shrug*
I don't think that this is ok at all... he is using free wifi tether to lure people in, people that shouldn't be messing with root and flashing. and wow 60$ glad to know this ass hole is making killer money off of other peoples time and work
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stimpyshaun said:
I don't think that this is ok at all... he is using free wifi tether to lure people in, people that shouldn't be messing with root and flashing. and wow 60$ glad to know this ass hole is making killer money off of other peoples time and work
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Haha!
Well, heh... I didn't say he wasn't an asshole. However... I don't care, though. You going to backtrace it and report him to teh cyber police? If some poor fool wants to pay this clown $60 -- well, that's their problem.
I like this part.
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4g will work with my custom rom i install on your phone.
I bet he tells this to people that live in 3G areas. lol Now your 4Geez will work.
KB112 said:
I like this part.
============Benefits & Features============
4g will work with my custom rom i install on your phone.
I bet he tells this to people that live in 3G areas. lol Now your 4Geez will work.
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rofl...
"My custom ROM I install on your phone"
There's no way this guy developed a ROM. Someone needs to email him and ask him for more information.
beesneazy said:
Yep. Old news. People do this. It's stupid. Whatever.
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what? please explain how luring stupid people into paying for something that they can have free, is stupid? he's capitalizing off their laziness and ignorance. that's not stupid at all. how do you think most american businesses make their money? off of stupid/ignorant customers that dont know how to figure things out for themselves. it's no different than soliciting flyers for your lawn care business. yeah, they can mow their lawns themselves, and trim around the house. they can even do a little bit of research so they can figure out for themselves how to keep their lawns green year-round. but do they? hell no. you'd be stupid to not take advantage of that and make a quick buck.
KB112 said:
I like this part.
============Benefits & Features============
4g will work with my custom rom i install on your phone.
I bet he tells this to people that live in 3G areas. lol Now your 4Geez will work.
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chicago is a 4g area...
rotfl... +1 you now have 4geez and the wifi's isn't that a deal
Ha ha I was making.money of jailbraking my friends iPhone and ipods for $10 bucks each but it all started for free but this one for 60$ mm I should start doing that Lmao jk
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cnstarz said:
what? please explain how luring stupid people into paying for something that they can have free, is stupid? he's capitalizing off their laziness and ignorance. that's not stupid at all. how do you think most american businesses make their money? off of stupid/ignorant customers that dont know how to figure things out for themselves. it's no different than soliciting flyers for your lawn care business. yeah, they can mow their lawns themselves, and trim around the house. they can even do a little bit of research so they can figure out for themselves how to keep their lawns green year-round. but do they? hell no. you'd be stupid to not take advantage of that and make a quick buck.
chicago is a 4g area...
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How is not knowing that you are capable of rooting your phone make you "lazy...ignorant...stupid"
Most people simply do not know what rooting its and that is in know way there fault....
What this guy is doing is wrong and is unjustifiable.
$60 reallY? I bet he's as pathetic in real life as he is online.
starplaya93 said:
How is not knowing that you are capable of rooting your phone make you "lazy...ignorant...stupid"
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are you ignorant of the definition of "ignorant?" laziness, is a definite possibility because maybe they dont feel like doing all the research required to know how to root your phone, and learn all the lingo too. also, maybe people are scared to root their phones.
starplaya93 said:
Most people simply do not know what rooting its and that is in know way there fault....
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again, that is ignorance. in today's society, you cannot possibly tell me that "most" people are 100% unaware of what rooting is, or that it even exists. stop lying to yourself. even if someone that saw the post didn't know what it was, they could easily ask one of their nerd friends what is is. and if they don't, and they just decide to pay the dude $60 to root their phone -- guess what that makes them? stupid.
starplaya93 said:
What this guy is doing is wrong and is unjustifiable.
$60 reallY? I bet he's as pathetic in real life as he is online.
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not unjustifiable at all. as i mentioned earlier, it's no different than soliciting flyers for a lawn-care business, or any other business that capitalizes on skills/knowledge that is freely and widely available for anyone to obtain.
cnstarz said:
what? please explain how luring stupid people into paying for something that they can have free, is stupid? he's capitalizing off their laziness and ignorance. that's not stupid at all. how do you think most american businesses make their money? off of stupid/ignorant customers that dont know how to figure things out for themselves. it's no different than soliciting flyers for your o care business. yeah, they can mow their lawns themselves, and trim around the house. they can even do a little bit of research so they can figure out for themselves how to keep their lawns green year-round. but do they? hell no. you'd be stupid to not take advantage of that and make a quick buck.
chicago is a 4g area...
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Everything about this is garbage ... do I care? No. Some folks definitely have a stronger opinion of this than others. He takes others work and 'passes it off' as his own. I don't deny that people can't be bothered to do this stuff and will pay others for the 'work' but the wording is always the funny part. Its like me posting a listing and utilizing everyone else's contributions.
Its stupid. It's ****ing stupid and you are ****ing stupid if you pay someone to do something like this. Its like charging people to upgrade their HDD in their PS3 because they're too dense to do it themselves. Its laughable. I say whatever because there isn't anything really 'wrong' with it as this **** happens all the time ... doesn't make it any less stupid / hilariously lame. I don't, personally, care. But its still stupid.
For all I know its someone here doing it .. hell, I could do this. Its sad and cheap.
End of story.
*for your argument with lawn care ... its like cutting the grass, trimming and tossing down weed killer but you act like you are the one working the magic. 'My lawn fertilizer and weed killer is unlike anything you've ever seen. But, if in the future, weeds pop up then I cannot he blamed.' Its the wording that irks me. And it is stupid. I don't deny there are stupid and worthless people out there ... but that doesn't change the fact that this is bull****. As said, some get more worked up over this than others ... I think it would he funny to meet up with this chode and call him out though. 'Personally the screen off animation I love' or whatever he says ... c'mon, grade A chode. He is using other people's work ..
.... it would ALMOST be like 'borrowing' your neighbor's lawnmower to mow someone elses grass and get paid for it. Following along with your stupid lawnmowing analogy. Its not the end of the world ... but it is stupid. No ifs, ands or butts. Again, I don't care. Whatever, as I said. Still, stupid. And, yes - it's a fact - the majority are morons. And at the rate of Android's growth ... potential gold mine here ... doesn't change the fact its 'semi-bull****.'
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I've seen people on CL ASKING to pay for someone to root their phone. I always email them right away, tell them about the one click root method with the video walkthrough, and to save their money. Craigslist is full of ****heads and scammers, but this is a service that people want, and just don't know where to get good information. I always get thank you emails after for showing them XDA, and saving them money.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with what the guy is doing. He's offering his services for a fee... Capitalism at its best!
You think how much time you've spent learning how to do this, familiarizing yourself with the process. Learning what to do when something goes wrong, etc, etc. If you're a youngin or unemployed, you have time to do this. Some people are not tech savvy, not computer literate, and think cmd is some highly technical code. These people will pay you for results.
If you know what you are doing and can deliver, there's nothing wrong with marketing your skills. There is information out there on how to change the head gasket for my car, or install a new clutch. I don't have the right tools or the inclination to get under the hood to do this myself. I take the car to a repair facility. Same concept here.
Or better yet, why go to a doctor... There are books you can read to research your illness and determine a course of therapy. The list goes on and on.
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are you ignorant of the definition of "ignorant?" laziness, is a definite possibility because maybe they dont feel like doing all the research required to know how to root your phone, and learn all the lingo too. also, maybe people are scared to root their phones.
again, that is ignorance. in today's society, you cannot possibly tell me that "most" people are 100% unaware of what rooting is, or that it even exists. stop lying to yourself. even if someone that saw the post didn't know what it was, they could easily ask one of their nerd friends what is is. and if they don't, and they just decide to pay the dude $60 to root their phone -- guess what that makes them? stupid.
not unjustifiable at all. as i mentioned earlier, it's no different than soliciting flyers for a lawn-care business, or any other business that capitalizes on skills/knowledge that is freely and widely available for anyone to obtain.
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Am I ignorant? I don't know, i'll let god be the judge of that. I do know one thing though, i'd much rather be ignorant than a low life moron.
The majority of people who do not know how to root there phones are not ignorant or lazy simply because they "lack knowledge". First off, you can't be ignorant and lazy at the same time wise guy...think about it for a second (just don't think too hard and hurt yourself)
Secondly, how are people supposed to know that rooting even exists if no body tells them? Are they just supposed to assume that when they purchase their device that it has a stock rom on it and is un-rooted? I'm sorry, but very few people are as wise or psychic as you or they may not have nerd friends to explain to them what rooting is, therefore they can not possibly know to look on the internet for how to root there phone because they have no clue that such a process exist.
this does not make them ignorant because they aren't choosing to not know how to root, they simply haven't learned the facts (and yes, the majority of people have no clue what rooting is, so go pat yourself on the back for being superior to all of these ignorant lazy people)
Lastly, most of these people on craigslist doing this junk tend to focus their advertising on customizable roms, free tethering, overclockingg, etc etc. They rarely emphasize the fact that they are rooting the phone which is wrong.
Taking advantage of consumers lack of knowledge is not a good thing. Just because it's the status quo doesn't justify it...That is ignorant.
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If you know what you are doing and can deliver, there's nothing wrong with marketing your skills. There is information out there on how to change the head gasket for my car, or install a new clutch. I don't have the right tools or the inclination to get under the hood to do this myself. I take the car to a repair facility. Same concept here.
Or better yet, why go to a doctor... There are books you can read to research your illness and determine a course of therapy. The list goes on and on.
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Its not quite the same ... I mean, I get what you're saying ... but, skills? You aren't doing anything but taking someone else's work and using it for your financial betterment. Your argument would make more sense if you were repairing hardware or something ... acknowledgment isn't given for the people that have set up these simple and idiot proof root methods ... or the ROMs themselves. Sure, they might not say they 'made' the ROMs or rooting methods ... but they didn't say they didn't, either. And they don't have to do as much. I really don't care, and dont take my multiple posts as such, but its not really the same as all the things mentioned. Especially the doctor ****. LOL
Again, Im up late so that's the only reason I'm posting ... not hating, and if you are too dense or too busy to bother .... so be it. But I wont try to trivialize it with some bull**** analogies. I get people are lazy and stupid ... but don't throw the word 'skills' out here when my 13 year old cousin with some random palsy could pull this off. Its a cheap way to take advantage of people. Nothing more. Wording and acting like it's so much more than it is ... its a crock. Throughout time people have been doing this ... doesn't make it right or less garbage. This is a specific exploitation of someone else's work / services. This isn't changing some gasket in an automobile that fits across the board. This is a pretty specific exploitation.
Surgery is a skill and service ... coming over to make you a sandwich is about what this equates to. Don't mix 'skills' and 'near still born babies incapable of doing anything for themselves' as a service or a skill. More power to you if you can make money doing this ... but it is stupid. And sad.
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Am I ignorant? I don't know, i'll let god be the judge of that. I do know one thing though, i'd much rather be ignorant than a low life moron.
The majority of people who do not know how to root there phones are not ignorant or lazy simply because they "lack knowledge". First off, you can't be ignorant and lazy at the same time wise guy...think about it for a second (just don't think too hard and hurt yourself)
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you can't be ignorant and lazy at the same time? what the **** are you even talking about??? mind = blown. please, please, please explain why it is absolutely, without a doubt, physically impossible to be lazy and ignorant at the same time.
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Secondly, how are people supposed to know that rooting even exists if no body tells them? Are they just supposed to assume that when they purchase their device that it has a stock rom on it and is un-rooted? I'm sorry, but very few people are as wise or psychic as you or they may not have nerd friends to explain to them what rooting is, therefore they can not possibly know to look on the internet for how to root there phone because they have no clue that such a process exist.
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there is no doubt that are people out there that don't know about rooting. i'm not arguing that. you said that "most" people don't know it even exists. that's a made-up statistic that you concocted in your head, probably around the same time that you started believing that it's impossible to be ignorant and lazy.
regardless, how does one know that rooting exists without anybody telling them? this is probably going to sound like i'm dividing by zero, but a possible answer is... they discover it themselves! yes, people are capable of doing that! the human brain is indeed quite impressive and capable of independent thought and education. people don't have to be told by someone that something exists. it is possible for things to be discovered without being told by someone. (how do you think america, or any physical element was discovered?)
put yourself in your grandma's shoes. she doesn't know anything about this technology stuff, but she is learning because recently she discovered that are phones out there that can do many things. these phones can let you browse the internet, use your phone as a hotspot, will even let you video chat with your grandchildren, and they even have these touchscreens that allow you to just use your fingers instead of having to press a bunch of buttons! amazing! being the curious little grandma that she is, she goes home, opens up internet.com, and decides to type "evo smartphone" into her AskJeeves toolbar that she has installed. Her mind is opened to a plethora of information where she discovers what is possible with these phones. She does her research and decides that she wants one.
the moral of the story? she wants a ****ing smartphone because of its capabilities, and she didn't learn everything she knew about because of someone telling her about it -- she did her research. "most" people dont just walk into a sprint store and buy an android smartphone not knowing what it is capable of. these people have played with sprint's demo phones, they have played with their friends' phones, they have watched youtube videos of it in action. they know what the **** the phone is capable of. being the curious humans that we are, a majority of us know for a fact that the things we buy are not limited just to what the manufactures make us believe. so don't give me that bull**** statement that you have to be psychic or have nerd friends with gadget toys to figure things out for yourself.
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this does not make them ignorant because they aren't choosing to not know how to root, they simply haven't learned the facts (and yes, the majority of people have no clue what rooting is, so go pat yourself on the back for being superior to all of these ignorant lazy people)
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okay okay, i see what you're talking about now. you seem to think that being ignorant requires one to CHOOSE to not be informed or educated. very wrong. look it up.
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Lastly, most of these people on craigslist doing this junk tend to focus their advertising on customizable roms, free tethering, overclockingg, etc etc.
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i concur.
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They rarely emphasize the fact that they are rooting the phone which is wrong.
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explain further. what is it that you are saying is wrong: not telling people that you are rooting the phone; or the simple act of rooting the phone?
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Taking advantage of consumers lack of knowledge is not a good thing.
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this sentence is very subjective. it's good for the person taking advantage of it because that means money in his pockets and some extra food on the table for his family. it's not good for the person being taken advantage of because he/she could be doing all this for free. being taken advantage of, and then realizing that you've been taken advantage of could be good for the customer because maybe that's what it takes to open his eyes and learn from his mistakes. in that case, it could be a good thing for both parties.
now, i dont necessarily agree with his tactics. i do feel that he should just be educating people; doing it for free or even much cheaper; or be more clear (and honest) when explaining what he is doing. but, that is not the case. he's simply trying to make a quick buck, and it might be working. that doesn't make him stupid or a moron. shady? sneaky? sure, but definitely not stupid.
Some people are mad they aren't doing this....
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Some people are mad they aren't doing this....
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With all the money made from selling weed on the side ... who can be bothered with such trivial exploitation? You think THIS is easy money? Pssh.
And I never said HE was stupid ... but that this practice is stupid. And old. Its been discussed ad nauseum here and elsewhere. Its been happening for a while ... old news ... its so 'whatever.' *gimpy Hipster wrist*
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I have been told, (not blaming sprint employees, you guys didn't lie to or deceive anyone), and have participated in telling others that Sprint supports rooters. This change was a huge blow that was unexpected and I no longer consider Sprint as great of a carrier as I thought they were.
I got into an argument with another user over Sprint's official tolerance to users with rooted phones as posted on this site. The other user however pointed me to this website.
What's important is quoted here
SprintTOS said:
Our Right To Suspend Or Terminate Services
We can, without notice, suspend or terminate any Service at any time for any reason. For example, we can suspend or terminate any Service for the following: (a) late payment; (b) exceeding an Account Spending Limit; (c) harassing/threatening/abusing/offending our employees or agents; (d) providing false or inaccurate information; (e) interfering with our operations; (f) using/suspicion of using Services in any manner restricted by or inconsistent with the Agreement and Policies; (g) breaching, failing to follow, or abusing the Agreement or Policies; (h) providing false, inaccurate, dated, or unverifiable identification or credit information or becoming insolvent or bankrupt; (i) modifying a Device from its manufacturer specifications (for example, rooting the device); (j) failing to use our Services for an extended period of time; (k) failing to maintain an active Device in connection with our Services; or (l) if we believe the action protects our interests, any customer's interests, or our networks.
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This is verbatim from the Terms of Service which take effect on 9/9/2011. This is the most disappointing thing I've read all week.
Edit: edited portion in which I appear to blame sprint employees. I appreciate you guys and I'm sorry it got worded that way. I have an issue with overreacting to bad news. I appreciate what you guys do for us.
Lol. They can but won't.
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Lol. They can but won't.
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I don't know if they will or won't. The user I argued with said this was a recent change.
Edit: sorry to be so confrontational
I don't think they really care enough I think they might do it if you have something against them like hotspots hacks. I don't think just root would make them do this, there's been to many people going to stores and having root and them not caring
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Wow... they'll just drive people straight to T-Mobile.
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I don't think they really care enough I think they might do it if you have something against them like hotspots hacks. I don't think just root would make them do this, there's been to many people going to stores and having root and them not caring
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This change is recent and not in effect until 9/9/11. Who knows what the defacto situation will be in a month or two.
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This change is recent and not in effect until 9/9/11. Who knows what the defacto situation will be in a month or two.
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Yeah true but they'll have alot of accounts closed and alot of them will. Just go to anouther carrier, like I would flash my epic to anouther one,so they would lose way to much money and might not do it. Also they might not care about devices theyleft behind like the good ol hero and soon to be epic and evo, so all we can do is call and text to see if it works lol
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(m) You have red hair our favorite sports team lost last night (o) you just don't hang out with us as much as you used to.
They're just saying they can terminate for any reason, which I'm sure was always the case. They only listed things to cover their ass if anyone complains about it.
They aren't going to, not to mention every single rom I've ever installed comes with a laundry list of warnings/ramifications. Granted those are generally phone/warranty based, and not plan based, but it's fair to say we all realize we're not doing something our carriers would be overjoyed about.
Your only reason to be concerned here is that IF they terminate for some unlisted reason, like you download so much you're costing them money as a customer, they can cite "rooted phone" as "the" reason. (Or at least a "you can't complain" reason, since it was clearly listed. Ultimately they don't owe a reason at all.)
There's largely nothing to see here. My brother has an at&t phone. Rooted apps are hidden in the market, and side loading apps is disabled without root. Sprint isn't doing anything meaningful in the "anti-root" dept.
I'm sure that's in the old t&s also. Just cya wording.
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If you aren't harming the network and are paying the bills I doubt they would cut you off.
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If you aren't harming the network and are paying the bills I doubt they would cut you off.
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I think you're right. I don't understand why they care since we own the dam phones anyways.
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If you aren't harming the network and are paying the bills I doubt they would cut you off.
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Even so, this official policy is unacceptable. Terminating insurance and warranties make sense. Terminating service is unnecessary and a stab in the back.
I remember when people used to say sprint would never terminate anyone for roaming. This was largely because until late last year and early this year they didn't. Guess what? They certainly do now. For rooting it's only a matter of time.
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Even so, this official policy is unacceptable. Terminating insurance and warranties make sense. Terminating service is unnecessary and a stab in the back.
I remember when people used to say sprint would never terminate anyone for roaming. This was largely because until late last year and early this year they didn't. Guess what? They certainly do now. For rooting it's only a matter of time.
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Right, but if they do they do. They can tell you to take a hike for ANY reason, always could, always will be able to. Nothing actually changed here, in that regard.
Terminating service makes more sense than anything. The whole point of rooting is to use the phones in a manner Sprint didn't sign on for. Thousands of people using root access to bypass their paid service to tether your phone to wifi devices "hurts" them way more than the few bucks they're out for handing someone who's been paying insurance for a year and a half a refurb after bricking their devices. You're almost certainly going to do something that legitimately breaches the TOS before you do something that has any effect on the warranty. It's way more a trumped up, lame, get of of jail free, card on the insurance/warranty than it is the service. What does a busted camera button have to do with rooting?
Edit: Put it this way. I own a business, I draw attention to the fact that I can fire you for any reason, and I post a list of a few of the things you're not supposed to do. Personal calls, eating at your desk, playing games, etc. That ISN'T saying "I'm going to fire you for making a personal call." All it's saying is don't come crying about how we fired you because we didn't like your nationality, when you habitually violated rules I laid out.
I mean, honestly, I find it hard to believe you're outraged over a meaningless word change, which is tantamount to adding "Altering your device so it can literally steal from us" to a standing "We can tell you to scram for ANY reason" line.
Edit Again: And I'm sure someone somewhere will claim they were terminated JUST for rooting. That doesn't make it true, and it wouldn't mean it's going to start happening all over. We all know we're doing something we aren't supposed to be which, best case, Sprint looks the other way on. If they wanted to stop looking the other way, that's their prerogative. It's their network.
People aren't being kicked "for roaming" they're being kicked because they're almost never not roaming. In some cases because they moved, in other cases because they never should have been Sprint customers in the first place (and might have even misrepresented something to get the deal they wanted). This is a pretty well known clause.
If sprint booted rooters they would essentially lose I'm sure at least 50% of their current business, which might not be so great if they expect to make things like... idk... profit?
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If sprint booted rooters they would essentially lose I'm sure at least 50% of their current business, which might not be so great if they expect to make things like... idk... profit?
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Id say more like 15-20% and growing as awarness of root grows, that # might be inflated aswell, but I'm optimistic
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If you aren't harming the network and are paying the bills I doubt they would cut you off.
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This right here. The agreement is there as a "just in case" scenario. If you're tethering or using abnormal amounts of data, resulting in slowing neighbors using the same tower down, then this gives them the right to terminate your service. I'm sure they'll send you a note before jumping to conclusions, though.
I pull at least 15-20gb a month. And my second line is on pandora nearly 24/7. Never heard a peep from sprint about it.
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I have a feeling what they're concerned about is the same thing the other carriers are concerned about. Rather than make us pay for tiered data, they make it known that if you sit at home using your phone as your only source of internet without paying the 30 bucks a month for hotspot service, downloading movies from netflix all day pulling down 500gb or so in a month, they'll check to see if you're rooted. There are a handful of people pulling down hundreds of gb of data from their phone without paying the fee, and that's just wildly unrealistic for just phone use, and takes bandwidth from the rest of us, slowing down speeds.
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I have a feeling what they're concerned about is the same thing the other carriers are concerned about. Rather than make us pay for tiered data, they make it known that if you sit at home using your phone as your only source of internet without paying the 30 bucks a month for hotspot service, downloading movies from netflix all day pulling down 500gb or so in a month, they'll check to see if you're rooted. There are a handful of people pulling down hundreds of gb of data from their phone without paying the fee, and that's just wildly unrealistic for just phone use, and takes bandwidth from the rest of us, slowing down speeds.
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Why not just add the plan for tethering instead of termination? I know I only tether once in a blue moon and for me root is much more than just tethering. It's voodoo sound to make music clearer, it's roam control to get my calls through, it's titanium backup to backup and restore my data and above all it's my key to taking full control of what's rightfully mine.
There is a little secret many of you have forgotten.
Unauthorized tethering doesn't need root. PDAnet works on unrooted phones.
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Subject says it all... let me know what you think!
http://s4gru.spruz.com/pt/Will-it-s...ilbreak-or-MOD-your-personal-devices/blog.htm
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The funny thing is that is Apple is the one crying about it. I don't think it will affect us since Google is open source. And with the nexus line these phones are considered" developer phones" so I don't think it will affect the Android community.
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Screw apple. Now that steve jobs is gone, I hope they crumble as a company. He was the power source that brought them such big business and now they're crying about every little thing android does. Waaa waa cry us a river. Oh, and its illegal to do a lot of things. We'll keep doing them if it makes us feel good.
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Well i dont think it gonna pass and if it does who is gonna stop me from rooting/hacking my own sh*t..
It's useless to try and legally ban people from customizing the tech they own. If governments/corporations try, they'll fail and only harm themselves.
That would have to reverse the supreme court ruling that once purchased we can do what we want with our device. This was a suit for the PS3. Sony still had the right to deny services but could do no legal action on modded PS3s. The same will stand for our phones. The worst that could happen is a clause is added to our contracts giving the carrier the right to refuse service to rooted devices.
I Hope your wrong about the phone service
Still, being able to deny service would suck considering the only reason why I rooted my device to begin with was for the WiFi Hack. However, if any one out there know answer me this. How would sprint or another service provider figure out that your phone is rooted? From a noobs point of view I see no way of them finding out anything unless they sell you a phone that's bugged. But if you think about it for you window 7 users out there, windows gives the option to install a bug that determines if your windows is genuine but does not come preinstalled.
I really don't think it will effect us I been hacking before the bill passed an I will b if I don't get exstented, nothing changed really I don't think. I'm more worried about sopa
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Still, being able to deny service would suck considering the only reason why I rooted my device to begin with was for the WiFi Hack. However, if any one out there know answer me this. How would sprint or another service provider figure out that your phone is rooted? From a noobs point of view I see no way of them finding out anything unless they sell you a phone that's bugged. But if you think about it for you window 7 users out there, windows gives the option to install a bug that determines if your windows is genuine but does not come preinstalled.
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Google knows every app on your phone. If you have 1 app for rooted phones then you are probably rooted. Sprint can ping your phone and get the kernel, firmware and baseband you are running. If it doesn't show stock numbers, they know you are rooted.
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Google knows every app on your phone. If you have 1 app for rooted phones then you are probably rooted. Sprint can ping your phone and get the kernel, firmware and baseband you are running. If it doesn't show stock numbers, they know you are rooted.
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They don't care because half ifnot moe of the Android community is rooted, what's pathetic is there people who work for sprint and othr cariers are rooted. But then you have some assholes who think they know it all and don't care if you rooted your denied.
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Well i dont think it gonna pass and if it does who is gonna stop me from rooting/hacking my own sh*t..
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Assuming you can do it all on your own and don't require any outside information or collaboration then technically nobody will stop you or likely even know. However if this decision does expire and it becomes a potential crime then you will see a lot less innovation.
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They don't care because half ifnot moe of the Android community is rooted, what's pathetic is there people who work for sprint and othr cariers are rooted. But then you have some assholes who think they know it all and don't care if you rooted your denied.
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If you're referring to the 'Android community' as the 'Android userbase' then I think you're WAY off. Not a chance 50% of the people with an Android phone are rooted. I mean, think of all the 40+ year olds that have android phones and hardly know how to use a touch screen, let alone anything about root. It may appear that way considering we're on this forum together or the friends you have, but I assure you, that number is probably much, much closer to 5-10% if that. Even that's a stretch. Doesn't android have like 300,000 activations per day going or something like that? There is no way half those people are rooting their phones.
Back on topic, the carrier can certainly check to see what's running on your phone as kenny (I think) posted previously. Also as stated above, I don't think this is anything to worry about as there has already been a precendent set about making it illegal. Carriers denying service to your handset knowing it's rooted is another topic though.
See, I remember when competition was about innovation, and if you wanted to keep yourself in business, the best way was to make something revolutionary. If Apple wants to keep itself in business, at least in the mobile market where they make the majority of income, they need to out innovate Android. Naysaying, and saying this is infringing on something, is not innovation. I mean the lockscreen is one thing that gets me, on Google it goes two ways, Google INNOVATED better then Apple, yet that is what they sue them for. Really?
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If you're referring to the 'Android community' as the 'Android userbase' then I think you're WAY off. Not a chance 50% of the people with an Android phone are rooted.
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I fully agree. While all 4 of my Android phones are rooted, over the couple dozen people I know that have Androids, only 1 other person has rooted their phone.
Well this sucks..... if of course it passes anyways
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See, I remember when competition was about innovation, and if you wanted to keep yourself in business, the best way was to make something revolutionary. If Apple wants to keep itself in business, at least in the mobile market where they make the majority of income, they need to out innovate Android. Naysaying, and saying this is infringing on something, is not innovation. I mean the lockscreen is one thing that gets me, on Google it goes two ways, Google INNOVATED better then Apple, yet that is what they sue them for. Really?
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Its sad how true this is. Before apple would just do their own thing, creating their products like the Ipod, not caring about what other MP3 devises may be out there. They just made it better. Now they get upset that the idea they stole has been modified and used by google... give me a F* break. end rant
txtmikhail said:
Well i dont think it gonna pass and if it does who is gonna stop me from rooting/hacking my own sh*t..
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Your comment makes sense none.
There's nothing to pass. This is about an existing law/exemption permitting smartphone hacking to expire.
Personally, I could care less. Samsung isn't going to sue us (though Sprint could), and Samsung already has open bootloaders.
The folks that should be worried are iPhone hackers. Apple will sue them into oblivion, and shoot themselves in the process.
I dont think they would go after the users, but they would go after source of information. Eitherway i dont like it. our devices we buy, should be for us to do as we please. i dont like restrictions, goverment should focus on other things more important than to stop innovation for the sake of companies profit. And companies should concentrate on putting quality products out there.
Fantastic.Ergo said:
I dont think they would go after the users, but they would go after source of information. Eitherway i dont like it. our devices we buy, should be for us to do as we please. i dont like restrictions, goverment should focus on other things more important than to stop innovation for the sake of companies profit. And companies should concentrate on putting quality products out there.
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Agree 100%! Once you buy a device it is yours to do what you please with it! If you want to risk bricking it or voiding the warranty, that should be your prerogative and nobody should be able to tell you otherwise! No matter if its a windows phone, iphone, or android you should be able to do as you please once you own the device...
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if i can buy a phone and smash it to the ground into a million little pieces just because, with no repercussion, i should be able to mod the software with out any problems as well.