Does http://en.miui.com/thread-254886-1-1.html work for the Redmi 3 as well?
Or http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-4c/general/guide-unlocking-mi4c-bl-verification-t3336779 ?
(or can they be made to work with the Redmi 3?)
Is it safe to assume that flashing unlocked redmi3 emmc_appsboot.mbn will help?
Haven't tested it though
davidnotcoulthard said:
Does http://en.miui.com/thread-254886-1-1.html work for the Redmi 3 as well?
Or http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-4c/general/guide-unlocking-mi4c-bl-verification-t3336779 ?
(or can they be made to work with the Redmi 3?)
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I'm also hoping for an answer to this. Really considering buying this phone tomorrow, but I don't want to have to request the privilege of using something I bought the way I want to.
All the information I have found so far mostly talks about using the official unlocking method, but then there are bits of other information that suggest you may be able to get around this, with nothing concretely stating it.
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I'm also hoping for an answer to this. Really considering buying this phone tomorrow, but I don't want to have to request the privilege of using something I bought the way I want to.
All the information I have found so far mostly talks about using the official unlocking method, but then there are bits of other information that suggest you may be able to get around this, with nothing concretely stating it.
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I honestly dont get whats the problem. Request unlock today, order it tomorrow. By the time you will get your phone, you will also get the permission
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I honestly dont get whats the problem. Request unlock today, order it tomorrow. By the time you will get your phone, you will also get the permission
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I'm hoping to buy the phone in person tomorrow, so it's not likely I'd get my code in time. Also I'm entirely against this practice of begging to use your own purchased hardware in the way you choose.
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I'm hoping to buy the phone in person tomorrow, so it's not likely I'd get my code in time. Also I'm entirely against this practice of begging to use your own purchased hardware in the way you choose.
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Its not begging. It's a security feature For the example, if someone steals your phone, they wont be able to easily take off all the locks to use/sell it. So yeah, its a great solution and one can always wait a bit.
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Its not begging. It's a security feature For the example, if someone steals your phone, they wont be able to easily take off all the locks to use/sell it. So yeah, its a great solution and one can always wait a bit.
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Some people have had their requests denied, it's begging. I appreciate the security concern, but that's not reason enough to lock people out of their OWN phones, just because you want to lock OTHER people out of them. I'd hardly call it a great solution, best solution would be to have the bootloader unlocked and let us lock it by choice which THEN requires a hassle to unlock.
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Some people have had their requests denied, it's begging. I appreciate the security concern, but that's not reason enough to lock people out of their OWN phones, just because you want to lock OTHER people out of them. I'd hardly call it a great solution, best solution would be to have the bootloader unlocked and let us lock it by choice which THEN requires a hassle to unlock.
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You do realize that most people don't care about that, hence it is locked by default? I do not see how it is great solution to unlock it by default
About denying it, some people dont put in a proper reason (or give some random reason) why they want to unlock their phones, so Xiaomi keeps the idiots away from bricking their phones (I suggest you looking at miui forums. People keep bricking their phones).
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You do realize that most people don't care about that, hence it is locked by default? I do not see how it is great solution to unlock it by default
About denying it, some people dont put in a proper reason (or give some random reason) why they want to unlock their phones, so Xiaomi keeps the idiots away from bricking their phones (I suggest you looking at miui forums. People keep bricking their phones).
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Another user seems to have mentioned that the chances of getting an approval has to do with making use of the Mi account so......
And how is 'most people don't care about that' a good argument? Protecting them from thieves (and themselves, I guess, as you've also said) is a much better reason/excuse.
Anyway the world of smartphones went well with flagships (, etc) using unlocked booloaders for years so why is the change suddenly needed?
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Another user seems to have mentioned that the chances of getting an approval has to do with making use of the Mi account so......
And how is 'most people don't care about that' a good argument? Protecting them from thieves (and themselves, I guess, as you've also said) is a much better reason/excuse.
Anyway the world of smartphones went well with flagships (, etc) using unlocked booloaders for years so why is the change suddenly needed?
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Oh, that user was just talking non-sense. I registered on miui, I requested permission (did not even have phone at a time) and I got that permission few days later after I received phone.
How is it a bad argument? Most people are just normal users. They do not care about roms, recoveries and stuff like that. They just want a working phone and, if xiaomi would open a massive security hole by default, it would be bad.
How many flagship devices have you owned, if you don't mind me asking? The last time I checked, pretty much all bootloader's are locked by default (even Google Nexus phones are).
I'd be interested in this, whilst I agree that the bootloader should be locked the process should be far more simple than what Xiaomi currently offers.
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I'd be interested in this, whilst I agree that the bootloader should be locked the process should be far more simple than what Xiaomi currently offers.
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wingsfortheirsmiles said:
I'd be interested in this, whilst I agree that the bootloader should be locked the process should be far more simple than what Xiaomi currently offers.
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It should be.... But while you are waiting for the solution for that, you might as well just request for the code
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It should be.... But while you are waiting for the solution for that, you might as well just request for the code
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Agreed. Though I would say if people do want to unlock without approval that is at both the owner's right and risk. Especially here on XDA as opposed to the MIUI forums.
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Agreed. Though I would say if people do want to unlock without approval that is at both the owner's right and risk. Especially here on XDA as opposed to the MIUI forums.
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Agreed. But anyone who bought that phone signed up for this. That's the main reason why I'm trying to calm everyone down
And honestly, comments which are saying that "we have to beg for permission" are ridiculous. If you really want to unlock the phone, you will wait for those 10 days. It is really not that bad. Plus, you will get a bit more friendly with MIUI, which I actually use as my main driver and I honestly believe that it is not that bad
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Agreed. But anyone who bought that phone signed up for this. That's the main reason why I'm trying to calm everyone down
And honestly, comments which are saying that "we have to beg for permission" are ridiculous. If you really want to unlock the phone, you will wait for those 10 days. It is really not that bad. Plus, you will get a bit more friendly with MIUI, which I actually use as my main driver and I honestly believe that it is not that bad
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Well, there I think we disagree. Some will want to use their phone asap or not want to be bound by Xiaomi's restrictions, rightly or wrongly. If there is a method to bypass it XDA would be the place to publish, test and feedback on it, with the usual disclaimer about bricking/losing the device.
And speaking personally, I want to throw CM/stock android onto my Redmi 3 as soon as I get it. I'll either try the workaround or wait, using my old phone instead.
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Well, there I think we disagree. Some will want to use their phone asap or not want to be bound by Xiaomi's restrictions, rightly or wrongly. If there is a method to bypass it XDA would be the place to publish, test and feedback on it, with the usual disclaimer about bricking/losing the device.
And speaking personally, I want to throw CM/stock android onto my Redmi 3 as soon as I get it. I'll either try the workaround or wait, using my old phone instead.
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I'll have to disagree here as well. If that was to happen (some sort of bootloader lock bypasser) it would happen in chinese forums, where most of the stuff comes from anyway. If you take a look at all the roms/recoveries published in here, they are, mostly, a reposts from miui forums.
And considering that every gold member on miui forums, who are actual devs, get priority for bootloader unlock (get key in like three days), they really will not bother developing something like that. Its just so much unnecessary hassle. They might as well just keep investing their time into fixing bugs on current custom roms
Honestly, we could continue this discussion for days. But currently, the only way to get your bootloader unlocked faster is becoming a gold member on miui forums or just waiting for ten days.
Any other discussion on this topic is not worth anything. We will give hundreds (or even thousands) of reasons why they should do things differently, but they will still stick with their current policies. Just like MediaTek does. They are supposed to releases their sources, but they won't. And nobody can do anything about that.
So I will return to my previous point. Anyone who bought this phone knew Xiaomi's policies. If someone does not like that, they can always buy phone from a well known brands. Of course, paying at least two times the price of what we are paying for this phone.
After all, I dont mind paying less and waiting 10 days for the well spec'd phone rather than paying twice and get my bootloader instantly unlocked.
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they really will not bother developing something like that.
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Which makes sense....but the Redmi Note 3 had such a solution developed for it (linked in the opening post) so......
davidnotcoulthard said:
Which makes sense....but the Redmi Note 3 had such a solution developed for it (linked in the opening post) so......
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I would like to point out that Note 3 has MUCH bigger user base.
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I would like to point out that Note 3 has MUCH bigger user base.
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..................yeah, I guess there's that.
but hey, who knows? Stranger things have happened than the Redmi 3 being unlockable without Xiaomi's approval.....
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Okay guys so we know all attempts at hacking the bootloader to circumvent the efuse hasn't worked. I feel that the only way to crack this thing open is with the keys from MOTO. Its a slim chance it will actually work but if enough people complain and flood their inboxes somethings bound to happen. maybe. hopefully. Well I sent in an email to tech support and got a cookie cutter response that you can see below. I then was playing around with possible email addresses for the Co-CEO Greg brown I finally landed on his email with the help of someone else and his email is [email protected] I sent him an email to which he forwarded to a PR person I'm guessing and got a cookie cutter response. This pisses me off. Let's do something about it. Everyone send your emails to to that guy requesting the keys. Make the subjects not all locked bootloader or he won't even look at them I'm guessing. This is ridiculous and we need to take a stand. If you don't like the idea then that's fine but to everyone else send an email.
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 2:30 PM
To: Brown Greg Pres CEO-CGB025
Subject: locked bootloader
Greg,
Please provide me with the keys to my phone. I purchased this phone and I should be able to do what I want with it. How would you like it if you purchased a car and the dealership put a lock on the hood not allowing you to access the engine. You would then have to go to that dealership each time you wanted anything done even though you are a mechanic yourself. This is exactly what is happening here. I'm tired of you guys locking down devices that a consumer has purchased. If I should so choose to do stuff that would violate warranties then that's all on me. You can reply with the keys.
Thanks.
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Their reply
Thank you for contacting Motorola. Your e-mail below was forwarded to me to address for Mr. Brown.
Motorola's primary focus is the security of our end users and protection of their data, while also meeting carrier, partner and legal requirements. The Droid X and a majority of Android consumer devices on the market today have a secured bootloader. In reference specifically to eFuse, the technology is not loaded with the purpose of preventing a consumer device from functioning, but rather ensuring for the user that the device only runs on updated and tested versions of software. If a device attempts to boot with unapproved software, it will go into recovery mode, and can re-boot once approved software is re-installed. Checking for a valid software configuration is a common practice within the industry to protect the user against potential malicious software threats. Motorola has been a long time advocate of open platforms and provides a number of resources to developers to foster the ecosystem including tools and access to devices via MOTODEV at http://developer.motorola.com.
Thank you,
Anne Arroyo
Motorola Consumer Advocacy Office
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COME ON GUYS.
What's the email address? It's worth a shot.
Sent from my DROIDX
bkjolly said:
What's the email address? It's worth a shot.
Sent from my DROIDX
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It's in the OP.
Email sent I will post it when I get the response.
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motorola don't care
You will get the same response... they feel they are protecting the end user which is us.... but also those who don't care to mod their droid x. They are operating under the excuse that someone may take the information and create a virus that would be able to take customer information... atleast that is the bull they are feeding the public. Not using the common since in their heads say... "we left the drod 1 unlocked and nothing significately bad happened." and they also like to say it will void the warranty.. bla bla bla... so no matter what you do all you will get is bullsh*t bullsh*t BULLSH*T.... until someone comes up with a valid excuse and manages to get through to an actual person... cause I would be willing to bet that... that is an automated response based on subject slash specific words in the body. no one with any power reads them and if they see anything envolving bootloader it is replied to in that fashion no matter what.
better off
You would be better off complaining if they don't want to unlock the bootloader, then they need to come up with a better more inventive and visualy apealing UI, cause BLUR is crap.
Motorola is starting to piss me off
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Motorola is starting to piss me off
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Same. They say they support the open policy but that's BS. I love the phone but will probably not buy another one. That being said I knew what I was getting into prior to buying the phone with the locked bootloader/eFuse. However, this being my first android phone I didn't realize how addicting customizing could be. ie. roms/kernals. well, I can imagine how addicting it would be.
emailed
just emailed greg..
Guy, think about this for a second.
What CAN'T we do to this phone that we're already doing, besides maybe an optimized kernel? WITH efuse in place, the devs have managed to implement overclocking, voltage mods, easy rooting, system ROMing, etc. Its my understanding that with the D1, OCing and voltage mods were done by customizing the kernel. Well, here we are with the DX and doing it easily with the bootloader still locked down.
Now, I'd like to see that bootloader unlocked for the sake of doing it, but still...um, we've already gotten around much of what we were prevented from doing in the first place and all under efuse's nose.
Aggie12 said:
Same. They say they support the open policy but that's BS. I love the phone but will probably not buy another one. That being said I knew what I was getting into prior to buying the phone with the locked bootloader/eFuse. However, this being my first android phone I didn't realize how addicting customizing could be. ie. roms/kernals. well, I can imagine how addicting it would be.
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Haha I'm on the same boat as you, It is indeed addicting.
The whole point of motorola locking down the bootloader was to prevent people from gaining the type of access we want. I know that the BL situation is annoying, but I was also aware of it when I bought the device. Personally, root and tethering are all that I want; otherwise, I would have bought a DI or Fascinate.
Not trying to hate, but i have seen multiple failed "outraged email drives" directed at motorola over the months
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davisbs999 said:
The whole point of motorola locking down the bootloader was to prevent people from gaining the type of access we want. I know that the BL situation is annoying, but I was also aware of it when I bought the device. Personally, root and tethering are all that I want; otherwise, I would have bought a DI or Fascinate.
Not trying to hate, but i have seen multiple failed "outraged email drives" directed at motorola over the months
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That's fine. I'm not looking for the approval of your nor anyone else. It was merely a chance for me to vent my frustration towards the man. And I know we have come far but it's more of the principle that they still have so much say with the device even though we own it.
Why don't just send them your custom ROMs so they can approve they are within their "QA"? huh?
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Why don't just send them your custom ROMs so they can approve they are within their "QA"? huh?
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I agree with that. Elect a team to build the ULTIMATE ROM and send to Moto. Show them what the devs can accomplish along with our user support.
We have to provide resistance and keep the pressure on them to stop this kind of lockdown for the future of modding/hacking devices.
Why ultimate, first we have to see what kind of roms they accept and which not. Then everyone will send it's own ROM.
And then we will sue them.
And then chuck norris... oh nothing
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You will get the same response... they feel they are protecting the end user which is us.... but also those who don't care to mod their droid x. They are operating under the excuse that someone may take the information and create a virus that would be able to take customer information... atleast that is the bull they are feeding the public. Not using the common since in their heads say... "we left the drod 1 unlocked and nothing significately bad happened." and they also like to say it will void the warranty.. bla bla bla... so no matter what you do all you will get is bullsh*t bullsh*t BULLSH*T.... until someone comes up with a valid excuse and manages to get through to an actual person... cause I would be willing to bet that... that is an automated response based on subject slash specific words in the body. no one with any power reads them and if they see anything envolving bootloader it is replied to in that fashion no matter what.
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I actually put it in my email not to give me that bull because everyone with half a brain knew it was a lie and that everyone that read it was laughing at Moto for thinking people were that stupid.
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SirBrass said:
Guy, think about this for a second.
What CAN'T we do to this phone that we're already doing, besides maybe an optimized kernel? WITH efuse in place, the devs have managed to implement overclocking, voltage mods, easy rooting, system ROMing, etc. Its my understanding that with the D1, OCing and voltage mods were done by customizing the kernel. Well, here we are with the DX and doing it easily with the bootloader still locked down.
Now, I'd like to see that bootloader unlocked for the sake of doing it, but still...um, we've already gotten around much of what we were prevented from doing in the first place and all under efuse's nose.
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The reason this is important is Moto's security gets tighter with every update. If we let them get away with it without at least trying to do something about it then they will continue to make security tighter and harder to work around. When other Manufacturers see that Moto got away with it they'll follow and eventually all phones will be locked down to the point that everyone is running the same Vanilla OS. The bootloader have a work around now but if we don't speak up it may not one day. They had no legitimate reason to lock the bootloader down it was just a show of force. Efuse is step one. So if you don't want Android ruined by the Manufacturers and Carriers speak up now. The Droid X is okay with a locked bootloader but they still put a leash on it and they're going to keep tightening it as long as we let them. Others will follow just watch HTC has already stared.
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Anyone want to start a web page for an online petition for Manufacturers not to lock down their phones? I would do it but I don't have the know how. But if we email this guy and start a web petition we have more of a voice. Call in to RadioAndroid and let the public know it's out there. This isn't just Moto we're fighting. We can stop other Manufacturs before they start or at least try.
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Anyone want to start a web page for an online petition for Manufacturers not to lock down their phones? I would do it but I don't have the know how. But if we email this guy and start a web petition we have more of a voice. Call in to RadioAndroid and let the public know it's out there. This isn't just Moto we're fighting. We can stop other Manufacturs before they start or at least try.
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There have already been two online petitions done.
Please sign this petition to put a stop to htc and their locked bootloaders. Takes 5secs. Even if your not getting this phone you should still sign it, so this wont happen to fututure phones.
http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/
http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/
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Bump that shiznit
Ya good luck with that. Why would they want to make it easier for you to access the phones bootloader? Unless they are going to sell it with no warranty. I mean really that's like buying a new car taking the motor apart putting it back together with different parts then expecting the manufacture to pick up the bill when it all goes bad. They aren't going to do it no matter how much you beg for it. Even the person trying to make the petition understands the reason for them not doing it. To sell more phones. The general public doesn't mess with or care to mess with their phones they want it to turn on and just work. So what maybe 2% really care to tinker with their phones. Ya don't think they are going to do what your asking for even 10 or 20% of their customer base.
Would it be nice sure..I like to play with my phones and thanks to place like this site I can. I just don't see it happening anytime soon. They are only going to get more and more locked down.
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Ya good luck with that. Why would they want to make it easier for you to access the phones bootloader? Unless they are going to sell it with no warranty. I mean really that's like buying a new car taking the motor apart putting it back together with different parts then expecting the manufacture to pick up the bill when it all goes bad. They aren't going to do it no matter how much you beg for it. Even the person trying to make the petition understands the reason for them not doing it. To sell more phones. The general public doesn't mess with or care to mess with their phones they want it to turn on and just work. So what maybe 2% really care to tinker with their phones. Ya don't think they are going to do what your asking for even 10 or 20% of their customer base.
Would it be nice sure..I like to play with my phones and thanks to place like this site I can. I just don't see it happening anytime soon. They are only going to get more and more locked down.
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Ha. Got anything else to say? Didn't think so. Appears we one.
mattfmartin said:
Please sign this petition to put a stop to htc and their locked bootloaders. Takes 5secs. Even if your not getting this phone you should still sign it, so this wont happen to fututure phones.
http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/
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I don't think so... Otherwise it will looks like a cheap phone....
htc is gonna open up the bootloaders on future phones. we won open bootloaders
rauschkugl said:
htc is gonna open up the bootloaders on future phones. we won open bootloaders
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Hi,
Does that include the upcoming EU Sensation??
no not at the moment. here in germany the sensation is already available and locked. maybe they will open it up some time but for now this is just for future phones excluding the evo 3d. think this also will come with loced bootloader and maybe it will be possible to unlock it some time.
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Please sign this petition to put a stop to htc and their locked bootloaders. Takes 5secs. Even if your not getting this phone you should still sign it, so this wont happen to fututure phones.
http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/
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Check out the good news as stated here : http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/26/htc-officially-dissolves-locked-bootlader-policy/
HTC have announced that locked bootloaders will be no more!
Good news. I wonder if they are going to unlock existing bootloaders?
Great news \o/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/26/htc-officially-dissolves-locked-bootlader-policy/
Hey congrats I guess. Can't complain about them doing it. It's just something you would think they wouldn't want to do. I was proven wrong and I have no problem saying.
Not trying to piss in anyone's Cheerios, but they probably didn't see nor care about an online petition, especially with only 7000 sigs. That's a drop in the ocean.
Trust me, a company like HTC isn't going to make such an announcement on a whim, it's gonna go through the company ranks for pros/cons, profit projections, etc... The idea would have started internally in HTC well before anyone set up that petition.
It would be interesting to see their true reasons for the decision. I highly doubt it's for "the betterment of the community". They have to think it will increase profits.
Either way, works out great for us. Now all they need to do is open up their drivers, etc.. and we'd be set.
well why have they started locking them now with the sensation and evo 3d?
have you read the post on facebook? i don't think this was a marketing thing and i don't think that they would have locked it up again if nobody complained.
Great news! The best part is that they really listen to people.
Please sign this petition to put a stop to htc and their locked bootloaders. Takes 5secs. Even if your not getting this phone you should still sign it, so this wont happen to fututure phones.
http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/
http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/
Already signed and added to sig, thanks.
Signed allredy. Hope in the future we have free Android.
thanks for this. signed up. they just lost a Sensation customer because of this.
Come on people. Hit this up
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this is just wasting of time.... you need to grow up people.
greg17477 said:
this is just wasting of time.... you need to grow up people.
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That didn't even make sense. Dumbest thing I heard all day. Thanks for the laugh. Anyways back on topic, hit this up.
greg17477 said:
this is just wasting of time.... you need to grow up people.
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In a way, it may be. If you think of it, MOST HTC phones come with locked bootloaders. If you have not seen already, please read:
http://androidforums.com/evo-3d-all...otloader-but-its-big-problem.html#post2725969
I signed the groubal anyway
Signed...................
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In a way, it may be. If you think of it, MOST HTC phones come with locked bootloaders. If you have not seen already, please read:
http://androidforums.com/evo-3d-all...otloader-but-its-big-problem.html#post2725969
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Yes, its an interresting post. But this concerns mostly (if not only) us the customisers. But the avarage Joe (which is like 99,9% of the sold phones) is happy with the phone as it comes and he doesnt need open or unlocked bootloader or phone. The point is, the avarage Joe is save from bricking his phone and thats a good thing from Joes point of view and also from the phone manufacturers (they want to sell phones, not swap the damaged ones). Ofcourse i would like to get open bootloader or phone straight out of the box, but i fully understand why the companies do not want it.
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Yes, its an interresting post. But this concerns mostly (if not only) us the customisers. But the avarage Joe (which is like 99,9% of the sold phones) is happy with the phone as it comes and he doesnt need open or unlocked bootloader or phone. The point is, the avarage Joe is save from bricking his phone and thats a good thing from Joes point of view and also from the phone manufacturers (they want to sell phones, not swap the damaged ones). Ofcourse i would like to get open bootloader or phone straight out of the box, but i fully understand why the companies do not want it.
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Bricking... that's one thing but you didn't mention the big picture.
Money
I love it, you love it, and HTC sure as hell does too. Nothing personal it's just business, business as usual... simple as that.
If it weren't for this fabulous forum I would of probably upgraded my phone twice by now if not at least once since owning the HD2, provided I had enough funds... All these "unauthorized" OS updates I'm getting has definitely been a factor for NOT upgrading my phone. That's profit loss for both HTC and the carriers that sell them. Then there's all these "unenlightened" ones who come to this forum and brick their phones because they've failed to properly follow directions. Then turn around and claim fraudulent warranty damage. I don't know how much net loss this actually costs but I'm pretty sure it's enough that it makes a difference. Either way, at the end of the day it's all about maximizing profits. This isn't a charity folks..... HTC has expensive mouths to feed.
do you really need 2 threads going? 1 in gneral and 1 in android?
presonally it doesnt bother me if they lock it or not, they are doing it for business reasons and as stated above money, i was going to reply to this yesterday but after typing out what i was going to put, most people would get pissy and *****y
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Bricking... that's one thing but you didn't mention the big picture.
Money
I love it, you love it, and HTC sure as hell does too. Nothing personal it's just business, business as usual... simple as that.
If it weren't for this fabulous forum I would of probably upgraded my phone twice by now if not at least once since owning the HD2, provided I had enough funds... All these "unauthorized" OS updates I'm getting has definitely been a factor for NOT upgrading my phone. That's profit loss for both HTC and the carriers that sell them. Then there's all these "unenlightened" ones who come to this forum and brick their phones because they've failed to properly follow directions. Then turn around and claim fraudulent warranty damage. I don't know how much net loss this actually costs but I'm pretty sure it's enough that it makes a difference. Either way, at the end of the day it's all about maximizing profits. This isn't a charity folks..... HTC has expensive mouths to feed.
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yeah i mentioned it (they want sell and not swap the damaged ones), but not as clearly as you did
"There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC
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https://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084
was just gonna post the same thing
greg17477 said:
this is just wasting of time.... you need to grow up people.
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Ha. You got anything else to say? Didnt think so
mattfmartin said:
Ha. You got anything else to say? Didnt think so
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Haha awesome. its amazing when the people speak and those in charge actually listen.
signed it!
It's been previously posted before, but this needs to be shared more widely and thoroughly. This is the only somewhat way we've advanced in being able to unlock our bootloader, we NEED more people to sign this petition. If LG sees what we've done and how far we've pushed with this petition so far they have to consider it, or atleast give us a message back on everything. Even if they deny, this petition is still enough to get us noticed by developers and people much more well equipped to crack the bootloader and then release a tutorial or program able to do it for us.
If LG sends us a statement refusing to unlock the bootloader, then that's more than enough of a reasonable cause for other developers and people who can crack it to get involved. It would probably cause an uproar in the LG community here on XDA either forcing LG to reconsider, or encouraging other people to help us.
PLEASE SIGN! Lets make progress in getting our bootloader unlocked!
https://www.change.org/p/lg-electro...pt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition
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TheSynysterLG said:
It's been previously posted before, but this needs to be shared more widely and thoroughly. This is the only somewhat way we've advanced in being able to unlock our bootloader, we NEED more people to sign this petition. If LG sees what we've done and how far we've pushed with this petition so far they have to consider it, or atleast give us a message back on everything. Even if they deny, this petition is still enough to get us noticed by developers and people much more well equipped to crack the bootloader and then release a tutorial or program able to do it for us.
If LG sends us a statement refusing to unlock the bootloader, then that's more than enough of a reasonable cause for other developers and people who can crack it to get involved. It would probably cause an uproar in the LG community here on XDA either forcing LG to reconsider, or encouraging other people to help us.
PLEASE SIGN! Lets make progress in getting our bootloader unlocked!
https://www.change.org/p/lg-electro...pt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition
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can this be posted in general android section? or must it be here in the G4 section? i think more people look ar general android..
Also me and my wife have both posted the petition on oit face book pages a few of my friends that dont even know what a bootloader and such is signed just cause i asked them to. I might even trybto post it straight to lgs facebook page. We need more than just xda. Face and twitter are main stream media. Your thinking small time lets get this on the 5 oclock news. Push this as far as possible. I mean i know lg will never unlock it. But eventually someone will find a bypass. People hack the c.i.a. the f.b.i. But aparantly lg has better security than them lol. You go lg. Not
http://www.efolder.net/blog/aes256-v-448blowfish/
If yall get bored this explains why we cant just hack into the booloader. I get bored and read crap.
posted on my facebook but i guess since it was english no one signed posted in other place and i belive i got 8 people to sign...LOL
raptorddd said:
can this be posted in general android section? or must it be here in the G4 section? i think more people look ar general android..
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Will try a repost at a later day. Weve gained alot of people already and Ive sent an email to LG about all of this. Waiting for a response currently.
TheSynysterLG said:
Will try a repost at a later day. Weve gained alot of people already and Ive sent an email to LG about all of this. Waiting for a response currently.
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There has been many emails sent all the same. They have no intentions on unlocking any other g4s.
I know nobody wants to hear it but. I feel now that the g5 is out this is a outadate smartphone and i feel every company should provide unlocks for outdated and outa waranty devices. But hopefully some one figures somthin out on the g5 and it may work for g4 then but prob not. I wont say never but i most def aint buyin lg for a long time
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There has been many emails sent all the same. They have no intentions on unlocking any other g4s.
I know nobody wants to hear it but. I feel now that the g5 is out this is a outadate smartphone and i feel every company should provide unlocks for outdated and outa waranty devices. But hopefully some one figures somthin out on the g5 and it may work for g4 then but prob not. I wont say never but i most def aint buyin lg for a long time
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I wont being buying LG either unless they make a very good quality phone again. But in all honesty this phone with the 60fps alone kills other phones completely. I own the S7 now along with the S6 edge and the camera on this with the 60fps mod is very comparable to the S7's. Only huge difference is stability and zoom. Im very happy with the G4 and its a great home use device for me, but the S7 is my daily. I would buy LG again but I need to see better build quality and more customization like S6 or S7.
To extend on the warranty thing you said. G4's are still very much under warranty lol I picked mine up early January. So they are still selling G4's out there meaning they wont lose warranty for at least another year, which could mean no bootloader unlock officially from LG until then but who knows in all honesty. Id like to work with a dev on this and get us unlocked but thats very hard to for free now a days.
i will stick with my H818N until arive Samsung Note 6 (dual-sim) ... then i wish to never hear about buying LG phone ....
Phone hardware manufacturers are only obligated to do a carrier unlock (usually called a SIM unlock) if you buy the device outright or if you complete your contractual obligation, and only for phones manufactured in 2013+. There is no requirement for them to unlock the bootloader.
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Sign it!
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alesul said:
Sign it!
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Sorry but I have to say: Signed, not sign
Guys its not gonna happen. Lg is not going to unlock them and thats that
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Guys its not gonna happen. Lg is not going to unlock them and thats that
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agree, no 5.1.1 for G2
no unlock bootloader.
and no warranty for bootloader unlock from LG regardless if its a hardware and not software related..
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signed twice, lol don't ask....
reading through the forums came across this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...-boot-images-android-verified-t3600606/page26 ,then read this in post #253 https://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-galaxy-s7/help/to-self-sign-recovery-roms-s7-help-t3618744 . seems like there is some progress going on.i was just about to flash to the new Oreo and BL but no no no. ill hang tight for a minute.
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reading through the forums came across this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...-boot-images-android-verified-t3600606/page26 ,then read this in post #253 https://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-galaxy-s7/help/to-self-sign-recovery-roms-s7-help-t3618744 . seems like there is some progress going on.i was just about to flash to the new Oreo and BL but no no no. ill hang tight for a minute.
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Except they hit a pretty big (and obvious if you understand what they are looking at) brick wall.
All that was found was an ota looking version of boot.img which looks like it could be used to build the boot image provided in the rom. Some people got a little over excited thinking that if the code was there then naturally the way to sign it would be too. However this was not the case. There were no keys found to sign anything
If you understand how public/private cryptography, like ssl which is basically what it used here works, it becomes very clear that Samsung would never, ever allow the signing key to leave the physical premesis of their engineering headquarters for touchwiz, much less package it in every single rom image on the internet. This is because you don't need the private key to talk to talk to the bootloader (only it's public key), but without it you can't prove you are who you say you are.
Putting that RSA key on the internet, hell anywhere but an air gapped machine under guard, would be the tech equivalent of posting your credit card, bank details, all username/password combos, and perfect scans of your passport, drivers license social security card and birth certificate and then going off the grid on vacation for 2 months ???. It's just not going to happen, and it didn't ?
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Except they hit a pretty big (and obvious if you understand what they are looking at) brick wall.
All that was found was an ota looking version of boot.img which looks like it could be used to build the boot image provided in the rom. Some people got a little over excited thinking that if the code was there then naturally the way to sign it would be too. However this was not the case. There were no keys found to sign anything
If you understand how public/private cryptography, like ssl which is basically what it used here works, it becomes very clear that Samsung would never, ever allow the signing key to leave the physical premesis of their engineering headquarters for touchwiz, much less package it in every single rom image on the internet. This is because you don't need the private key to talk to talk to the bootloader (only it's public key), but without it you can't prove you are who you say you are.
Putting that RSA key on the internet, hell anywhere but an air gapped machine under guard, would be the tech equivalent of posting your credit card, bank details, all username/password combos, and perfect scans of your passport, drivers license social security card and birth certificate and then going off the grid on vacation for 2 months ???. It's just not going to happen, and it didn't ?
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True,but, hopefully they'll get into it. But not too sure of it. Like the S7 there isn't a permanent root yet I understand. Yes and I do understand it so you didn't have to be a Di..... Nevermind. But yeah, Samsung has locked there stuff up pretty damn good and I'm thinking of swapping boards just for real root. I don't understand how we pay so damn much for a phone, mine cost me $950 at ATT and it's had hardware failures since I bought it and they give me no warranty., But we own the phone and I believe we have the right to do what we want with it. But that's also not the case since it's like taking something from them that's copyrighted and using for our enjoyment. I totally understand it and kinda don't care anymore since MY ONE MONTH OLD PHONE IS MESSED UP, I WENT BACK TO NEXUS. BUT HEY, THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT
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True,but, hopefully they'll get into it. But not too sure of it. Like the S7 there isn't a permanent root yet I understand. Yes and I do understand it so you didn't have to be a Di..... Nevermind. But yeah, Samsung has locked there stuff up pretty damn good and I'm thinking of swapping boards just for real root. I don't understand how we pay so damn much for a phone, mine cost me $950 at ATT and it's had hardware failures since I bought it and they give me no warranty., But we own the phone and I believe we have the right to do what we want with it. But that's also not the case since it's like taking something from them that's copyrighted and using for our enjoyment. I totally understand it and kinda don't care anymore since MY ONE MONTH OLD PHONE IS MESSED UP, I WENT BACK TO NEXUS. BUT HEY, THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT
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So you really think Samsung would bundle their private key for signing all things Knox/secure boot for an entire line in a publicly available firmware image for the whole world to find? Given that these phones are sold via defense contracts to the us gvt, if they use the same CA to sign those certs (likely as otherwise they'd have to be a completely different set of devices as the hw bootloader is signed) that might actually be illegal, as anyone anywhere on the internet, including hostile nation states can freely dig for it.
What do you mean by 'permanent root'? Im pretty sure that the s7 has a 'permanent' root method, and I can say with 100% certainty that the s8 does. What has not been achieved is finding a bootloader exploit that allows disabling/bypassing of secure boot, but that does not have anything to do with being able to use uid=0 on a running system which is what the word 'root' means. You don't have to reinstall it every boot or every so often though, it will stay there as long as you leave it so it's definitely 'permanent'. I'm even more lost on what you mean by 'real' root, again given the aforementioned definition. It sounds like you are talking about unlocking the boot loader, which would be great and you're right is very hard, but still is not related to gaining root access or keeping it.
What are you trying to do with swapping motherboards? Are you expecting to be able to drop a G950F board into a G950U device? I would be surprised if they were that identical. I'm definitely interested in what you are talking about doing & why instead of just getting an entire new (used) G950F and selling the old one. I bet used ones that are 0x1 are even cheaper!
*sigh* I wish people would not say things that have no meaning like 'real root' when they actually mean unlocked bootloader ?
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So you really think Samsung would bundle their private key for signing all things Knox/secure boot for an entire line in a publicly available firmware image for the whole world to find? Given that these phones are sold via defense contracts to the us gvt, if they use the same CA to sign those certs (likely as otherwise they'd have to be a completely different set of devices as the hw bootloader is signed) that might actually be illegal, as anyone anywhere on the internet, including hostile nation states can freely dig for it.
What do you mean by 'permanent root'? Im pretty sure that the s7 has a 'permanent' root method, and I can say with 100% certainty that the s8 does. What has not been achieved is finding a bootloader exploit that allows disabling/bypassing of secure boot, but that does not have anything to do with being able to use uid=0 on a running system which is what the word 'root' means. You don't have to reinstall it every boot or every so often though, it will stay there as long as you leave it so it's definitely 'permanent'. I'm even more lost on what you mean by 'real' root, again given the aforementioned definition. It sounds like you are talking about unlocking the boot loader, which would be great and you're right is very hard, but still is not related to gaining root access or keeping it.
What are you trying to do with swapping motherboards? Are you expecting to be able to drop a G950F board into a G950U device? I would be surprised if they were that identical. I'm definitely interested in what you are talking about doing & why instead of just getting an entire new (used) G950F and selling the old one. I bet used ones that are 0x1 are even cheaper!
*sigh* I wish people would not say things that have no meaning like 'real root' when they actually mean unlocked bootloader ?
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Because I have a snapdragon which is the G955U not the exynos F pal. Seems like you are trolling and I don't play know it all on here buddy. I just came across work that I found interesting, posted it, and made a comment. If you wanna argue with someone you should do it with your mom and tell how tired you are of yourself and how she has the bills. I'm only saying that because you seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be trolling when you know just a bit of what youre talking about. And if you research PAL! the motherboard fitments are the same and the only thing that's differentiates them besides the Exynos processors is the antennae wires which Snapdragons have 2 and the Exynos has one. So don't come to this thread bombing on me when you haven't done enough of your homework. I rest my case and I am not going to argue with anyone on here about ROOT! feel me?
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Because I have a snapdragon which is the G955U not the exynos F pal. Seems like you are trolling and I don't play know it all on here buddy. I just came across work that I found interesting, posted it, and made a comment. If you wanna argue with someone you should do it with your mom and tell how tired you are of yourself and how she has the bills. I'm only saying that because you seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be trolling when you know just a bit of what youre talking about. And if you research PAL! the motherboard fitments are the same and the only thing that's differentiates them besides the Exynos processors is the antennae wires which Snapdragons have 2 and the Exynos has one. So don't come to this thread bombing on me when you haven't done enough of your homework. I rest my case and I am not going to argue with anyone on here about ROOT! feel me?
ADMIN CLOSE THIS THREAD !!!!!!
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You're a bit oversensitive. Your question was misleading in that the verbage doesn't make sense. "Real root" made sense on the S7 when for some time they were using an engineering root method that was very buggy and had to be reapplied...but that was in the *very early* stages. S7 and S8 have had stable root for some time. I agree with the other poster...it's permanent if it "sticks" across reboots.
Why should the admins close this? Just because someone tried helping you out?
Chill a bit. He wasn't trolling and actually provided good info. Take it as being educated and not a personal insult.