I got my Note 4 Today! I love it already. Once I get my old phone official transferred to a family a member I think I'm going to root her. But first I wnated to know whats the process for rooting? And is it possible to unroot without signs its been rooted in case I need to send it for repairs? Thanks
My advice, start reading a little. I think I have seen your questions answered before?
gravatrax1 said:
I got my Note 4 Today! I love it already. Once I get my old phone official transferred to a family a member I think I'm going to root her. But first I wnated to know whats the process for rooting? And is it possible to unroot without signs its been rooted in case I need to send it for repairs? Thanks
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There are many tutorial here on XDA about rooting, flashing etc.Read carefully and you'll be good to go.Also there is a section for question(Help&Troubleshooting), this is the general forum section, make sure where you post next.
Ah, cut him some slack, he's just excited he got a new phone!
But yes, you should do some reading before you do anything as drastic as modifying system files. There are tutorials and that will guide you through the process and a lot of threads discussing issues such as unrooting and warranty. Good luck!
As of right now, there is no known method to reset value of knox to default once rooted. Hopefully, someone will come up with a to root it without tripping knox or a way to reset the knox to default value. I also recently got my Note 4 and weighing in on whether I should root it or not.
I'm familiar with rooting and it's risks. I've rooted other devices. I just didn't want to dive headfirst into rooting this phone if I was not able to get it back to stock with no evidence of tampering. I have total equipment protection which covers any physical damage to the phone, and its come in handy in the past with devices that hav enot been rooted. I don't eve recall them doing anything at the store to check for modications to the software. Ultimately I plan on just rooting the device nad installing SU to get rid of bloatware and used some Xposed modules, no flashing of custom roms or anything.
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I'm familiar with rooting and it's risks. I've rooted other devices. I just didn't want to dive headfirst into rooting this phone if I was not able to get it back to stock with no evidence of tampering. I have total equipment protection which covers any physical damage to the phone, and its come in handy in the past with devices that hav enot been rooted. I don't eve recall them doing anything at the store to check for modications to the software. Ultimately I plan on just rooting the device nad installing SU to get rid of bloatware and used some Xposed modules, no flashing of custom roms or anything.
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rooting a note 4 is extremely silly. you lose half the functionality including a nice secure app store. and you lose it permanently with no possibility of getting it back along with the warranty.
zurkx said:
rooting a note 4 is extremely silly. you lose half the functionality including a nice secure app store. and you lose it permanently with no possibility of getting it back along with the warranty.
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I've had mine 4 days and rooted it. Just becos....well, cos I always have! Nowhere did I readabout losing functionality app Store, Samsung's l assume?Care to expand on that further?? while I search it?
Gotta say I'm impressed with the note so far- -Spen rocks-- no more keyboard which for me is the best feature, still exploring.. Any hints on using the note 4 to it's fullest capablities would be greatly appreciated.
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you lose the knox secure app store and obviously all the apps like knox email and secure/business versions of common apps as well.
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obviously all the apps like knox email
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and secure/business versions of common apps as well.
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ok, thanks for your reply and heads up-my phone is pure indulgence, not for the business side of things. will keep in mind though, and look into this 'Knox' thing a bit more .
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But you don't lose access to the galaxy apps such as s write s health etc.? If that's so I really don't care. I will probably never even look at this so called Knox app store.
youre going to write off half your phone functionality permanently without even trying it out once ?
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youre going to write off half your phone functionality permanently without even trying it out once ?
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mate it would be really nice. you could explain what this "half the functionality" we are losing, is-Samsung Apps still work,. Google search turned up only one post regarding ''losing functionality" and that was yours?? So I am a bit confused?
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mate it would be really nice. you could explain what this "half the functionality" we are losing, is-Samsung Apps still work,. Google search turned up only one post regarding ''losing functionality" and that was yours?? So I am a bit confused?
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you lose a huge huge amount of functionality. too much to describe. an entire separate app store with only secure apps. a stripped down and fast encrypted personality (basically a second phone with no bloat). seamless switching. secure email and separate invisible device storage. secure calendars and notes. device tracking and logging. remote wipe and remote lock/unlock. there is literally a multi hundred page manual for all the functionality available.
have a look at just one screen of knox emm and you can see how much functionality you lose :
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you lose a huge huge amount of functionality. too much to describe. an entire separate app store with only secure apps. a stripped down and fast encrypted personality (basically a second phone with no bloat). seamless switching. secure email and separate invisible device storage. secure calendars and notes. device tracking and logging. remote wipe and remote lock/unlock. there is literally a multi hundred page manual for all the functionality available.
have a look at just one screen of knox emm and you can see how much functionality you lose :
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Off Topic: Is that a 4K screen? Damn that DPI must be pretty low I couldn't read without my glasses
Basically, yes, you lose Knox. Which is something that no app can replace right now. Knox is what iCloud Security is for iPhones. If somebody stoles your phone, you can track it, or delete everything and render it unusable to the thieft. Also, with knox and reactivation lock enabled, no one can root the phone and delete knox as it prevents to flash anything via Odin. It makes your phone really safe, but it's a worth losing.
I've rooted my phone since the first day I bought it. I don't have warranty as I've imported the phone from USA, so Samsung Argentina doesn't cover it. It's totally worth. If you use Kitkat, Xposed is the best addition for your rooted device. If you're in Lollipop, you can always flash custom themes/mods via Recovery. Root (almost) always is a benefit. I recommend you to enjoy your phone as is, and when you're prepared (or bored, whatever you want to call it), go ahead and root it. Congratulations and cheers!
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you lose a huge huge amount of functionality. too much to describe. an entire separate app store with only secure apps. a stripped down and fast encrypted personality (basically a second phone with no bloat). seamless switching. secure email and separate invisible device storage. secure calendars and notes. device tracking and logging. remote wipe and remote lock/unlock. there is literally a multi hundred page manual for all the functionality available.
have a look at just one screen of knox emm and you can see how much functionality you lose :
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Thankyou, I've had abitof a read up on Knox, I guess,.if this was a company phone, or I worked in IT then this ' feature would be the' bees knees'. fortunately its purely for pleasure!!
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Off Topic: Is that a 4K screen? Damn that DPI must be pretty low I couldn't read without my glasses
Basically, yes, you lose Knox. Which is something that no app can replace right now. Knox is what iCloud Security is for iPhones. If somebody stoles your phone, you can track it, or delete everything and render it unusable to the thieft. Also, with knox and reactivation lock enabled, no one can root the phone and delete knox as it prevents to flash anything via Odin. It makes your phone really safe, but it's a worth losing.
I've rooted my phone since the first day I bought it. I don't have warranty as I've imported the phone from USA, so Samsung Argentina doesn't cover it. It's totally worth. If you use Kitkat, Xposed is the best addition for your rooted device. If you're in Lollipop, you can always flash custom themes/mods via Recovery. Root (almost) always is a benefit. I recommend you to enjoy your phone as is, and when you're prepared (or bored, whatever you want to call it), go ahead and root it. Congratulations and cheers!
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nice, thanks for the info chap, I'm absolutely loving this thing. Root was done in first few hours, used CF Root and Odin all good.
Hope OP has enough info now to make a decision,
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I can see how Knox would be detrimental to someone in a business or tech related job where security is upmost importance however I am not that person so it's just something that' snot useful to me. I think for the time being I'll just keep the phone as is but eventually I will probably root it. I'm only a few days in and I already miss some of my apps and Xposed modules that I used one my One from when it was rooted.
Personally I wouldn't bother rooting. Losing a warranty isn't worth it considering the minimal benefits of rooting.
You'll soon learn to live without the limited additions that exposed offers, and you'll not miss the performance hit exposed offers the Note 4 which is slow enough already.
There is a thread that suggests alternatives to rooting.
If you're anything like me, you'll be onto another phone soon enough and no one will want to buy a phone with no warranty that someone's been trashing with Root.
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Personally I wouldn't bother rooting. Losing a warranty isn't worth it considering the minimal benefits of rooting.
You'll soon learn to live without the limited additions that exposed offers, and you'll not miss the performance hit exposed offers the Note 4 which is slow enough already.
There is a thread that suggests alternatives to rooting.
If you're anything like me, you'll be onto another phone soon enough and no one will want to buy a phone with no warranty that someone's been trashing with Root.
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Not me I wen the Sprint easy pay route. I'll have this phone for the next two years. I think I'll wait till OTA of Lollipop comes out then wait for a stable root and do it then.
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All,
Just want you to know I have had android phones for the past 4yrs and each and every one I have rooted, installed ROMS, tweeked etc...This is the only phone I feel I don't need to root. I did tweek it a bit by installing ART and disabling some bloatware apps from ATT, but so far, I have not gotten the itch to root yet.
I'm sure it will change, but so far this phone is a beast and I have no issues with it.
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Good for you. But some of us NEED root.
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Good for you. But some of us NEED root.
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No you don't, you WANT root. There is a big difference.
I think over the years manufacturers have slowly figured out how to make the stock experience less and less awful. I used to be a flash-aholic on my Droid Incredible but I can see how custom ROMs are becoming more of a personal preference than a necessity.
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No you don't, you WANT root. There is a big difference.
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Yeah, it's all semantics, really. :silly:
Sorry, but I guess that is what I was trying to get at with my post. In the past, I would root to optimize the phone, increase performance etc...But with the current state of Android and even this skinned LG, I can live with stock and not have to go through crack flashing. Was terribly time consuming.
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All,
Just want you to know I have had android phones for the past 4yrs and each and every one I have rooted, installed ROMS, tweeked etc...This is the only phone I feel I don't need to root. I did tweek it a bit by installing ART and disabling some bloatware apps from ATT, but so far, I have not gotten the itch to root yet.
I'm sure it will change, but so far this phone is a beast and I have no issues with it.
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Plus the LG set up has a native bluetooth hotspot that doesn't seem to need the $10 a month change my provider normally charges. So No hotspot hack required.
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No you don't, you WANT root. There is a big difference.
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I have an appradio 2 in my car. I NEED root for it to connect to my phone. So yes. I NEED root. Don't try talking for me.
Edit: NVM.
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I have an appradio 2 in my car. I NEED root for it to connect to my phone. So yes. I NEED root. Don't try talking for me.
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Again, you want root. You purchased an item under the assumption that you will always have root, and that may not be the case. You bought an item that doesn't support many devices it seems, perhaps you should have taken that into consideration before assuming every device you buy will have root. Its much easier to go to appradio and look at what is supported, and buying the appropriate device then insisting on needing root to use an item that currently isn't compatible with your phone.
Quit arguing semantics. It is really quite juvenile. Need/want - who cares.
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Again, you want root. You purchased an item under the assumption that you will always have root, and that may not be the case. You bought an item that doesn't support many devices it seems, perhaps you should have taken that into consideration before assuming every device you buy will have root. Its much easier to go to appradio and look at what is supported, and buying the appropriate device then insisting on needing root to use an item that currently isn't compatible with your phone.
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Dumbest debate I've ever heard. Maybe he NEEDS root to use a certain feature everyday for his job.
I NEED root to read logcats on my phone because I develop apps.
Any way to restore full sd support for kitkat without root?
I will mine tomorrow as soon as I get it lol
I rooted mine the same day I got it, for the same reason I immediately root all my devices. Adfree Android. I can't stand advertisements.....
Lord, the guy was talking about himself and somehow it became about someone else....he is experiencing his thought on HIS rooting experience. You want to go on about how much YOU NEED / WANT root open your own discussion thread and go at it...in YOUR thread.
And thanks OP for your input, thats the same kind of experience I am trying to go for where the stock rom can fullfil my phone desire without needing to root...and when I do will just be to entertain myself
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Again, you want root. You purchased an item under the assumption that you will always have root, and that may not be the case. You bought an item that doesn't support many devices it seems, perhaps you should have taken that into consideration before assuming every device you buy will have root. Its much easier to go to appradio and look at what is supported, and buying the appropriate device then insisting on needing root to use an item that currently isn't compatible with your phone.
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Actually, I bought the Appradio while I had the GS4, which has root. I got it knowing that I would need root, so I STILL have the GS4, and won't be buying the G3 until it has root. I'm not just going to jump to another phone without knowing for sure it has root.
So seriously... Get off your ****ing high horse.
Heisenberg420 said:
Dumbest debate I've ever heard. Maybe he NEEDS root to use a certain feature everyday for his job.
I NEED root to read logcats on my phone because I develop apps.
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You develop apps, but don't buy a developer phone? That might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. He bought a niche product, and NEEDS root to play with it, its not for work, lol. Whatever. You need root, and you're a developer, so I'm sure you'll have it figured out in no time at all, Chief.
Ive been a long time lurker on this site prolly since the GSII-- I dont post much then , or with me GSIII or Note 2- I guess thats why that account no longer exists. So with my purchase of the Note Edge i knew this would be my go to place for any information or eventually ROM's-- i gotta say that normally i never spent more then a day with Touchwiz- usually rooting and flashing within 24 hours of purchase. Ive had the phone foe about 4 days and.... HOLY MOLY this phone is slooow... so much crap is running-- 3gb of ram and 2 and half of it is always used-- sprint zone and fb keep updating and re downloading even though i continuously uninstall them daily and revert to original software versions. Now i finally understand peoples hatred towards touchwiz.. im used to ASOP-- I coulda swore touchwiz was NOT that bad in the GSII days ;-( although i have faith the dev. will take off eventually with this phone... if there were other options i might have considered going else where-- im coming from a rooted note2) But i dont think there is anything remotely better then samsung-- as bad ass as the phone is spec'd out to be i thought it would be as zippy as the nexus--- but it is most definitely slower then my note- Also since ive been ot of the loop this KNOX stuff is all new to me--basically from what i gathered by googling any root will void the warranty on the device? ive never ever sent a phone in to samsung but there is times ive gone to A Sprint tech center for help--will they turn me away if its 0x1? well i just wanted to stop by and say hi to this forum-- im beginning the process to acquire files so i can root my phone tonight-- id think the sky is the limit with the things we can do with out phones--- Much thanks to the DEV's that make this possible!!
Well your sprint one seems to be acting funny.. I'm on my T-Mobile Note Edge, and I started from the G1. This phone is really smooth, no errors, and for the first time really no reason for me to have to root my phone and get rid of bloat ware to speed things up! And that was before I disabled the bloat ware anyways. You could say I'm also waiting for a way to root without tripping Knox. I'm kinda curious how ASOP or CyanogenMod will look like on this phone, and if they'll be able to use the edge productively. I'm actually throughly pleased with the phone, especially with how the home launcher is setup. My only bug is the fact that the second favorite edge doesn't allow for reorganization. That's my 2 cents. I hope your experience becomes more enjoyable
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Let me restate...i kinda sounded like a whiney brat with my last/first post. I realize that we as a group aa the less then 1% that care about specs.. and ver numbers. Im just not used to TouchWiz trying to do everything for me yet not the things i want it to do. for example every time I touch it text entry field I have a keyboard icon on the top of the notification bar...prompting me to choose Input method EVERYTIME?!? everyday I get sprint zone adverts in my notification bar even though I uninstall it every night before bed.. and multiple times a day I'm asked if I would like to sign in for Picasa.. i say no 3 or 4 times a day.. i cant figure out how to delete it. I miss the custom roms where all this bs is not even installed. Granted i knew there wasn't much support when i took the jump.. and honestly these issues would be the same with the regular note 4... id most definitely be willing to throw some $ to a recocognized established dev out there ... im miss my paranoid android and illusion roms :-/ but i know nothing out there can compare to the note edge at the moment...!
I have none of the issues you speak of. My only real issue is with kit Kat since I can't write to my sd card but other than that I am good with my phone.
I'm using the AT&T stock version and haven't encountered any issues except I waited to long to send it back to get the white version. Lol. Other than that I like the device.
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Ive been a long time lurker on this site prolly since the GSII-- I dont post much then , or with me GSIII or Note 2- I guess thats why that account no longer exists. So with my purchase of the Note Edge i knew this would be my go to place for any information or eventually ROM's-- i gotta say that normally i never spent more then a day with Touchwiz- usually rooting and flashing within 24 hours of purchase. Ive had the phone foe about 4 days and.... HOLY MOLY this phone is slooow... so much crap is running-- 3gb of ram and 2 and half of it is always used-- sprint zone and fb keep updating and re downloading even though i continuously uninstall them daily and revert to original software versions. Now i finally understand peoples hatred towards touchwiz.. im used to ASOP-- I coulda swore touchwiz was NOT that bad in the GSII days ;-( although i have faith the dev. will take off eventually with this phone... if there were other options i might have considered going else where-- im coming from a rooted note2) But i dont think there is anything remotely better then samsung-- as bad ass as the phone is spec'd out to be i thought it would be as zippy as the nexus--- but it is most definitely slower then my note- Also since ive been ot of the loop this KNOX stuff is all new to me--basically from what i gathered by googling any root will void the warranty on the device? ive never ever sent a phone in to samsung but there is times ive gone to A Sprint tech center for help--will they turn me away if its 0x1? well i just wanted to stop by and say hi to this forum-- im beginning the process to acquire files so i can root my phone tonight-- id think the sky is the limit with the things we can do with out phones--- Much thanks to the DEV's that make this possible!!
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root it and strip the rubbish and bloat, was da matta you?!
mine was slow and lagged like crazy from all the "indexservice" and annoying samsung crap running. i stripped it all and use CM cleanmaster and battery doctor. no autostarting apps and no bloat like weather and yahoo finance...
titanium backup to freeze or remove crap.
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Best variant ever!!! :highfive:
No problems since I pulled it out the box...
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I have none of the issues you speak of. My only real issue is with kit Kat since I can't write to my sd card but other than that I am good with my phone.
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theres a fix listed in the note 4 root post. let me see if i can find it.
here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-edge/general/easy-steps-stock-odin-n915tuvu1anjl-sm-t2943993 first post, midway
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I have none of the issues you speak of. My only real issue is with kit Kat since I can't write to my sd card but other than that I am good with my phone.
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jrummy.sdfix
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jrummy.sdfix
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even better
All those fixes are for rooted phones, i have not yet taken the plunge. I rooted my wife's note 4 but have just been hesitant to do my edge. I thought I was going to wait on lollipop but might not make it
Welp... enjoy your refusal
I wish there was a step by step thread on how to root the Sprint Edge and not any other variants because I don't wanna mix things up and brick my phone.
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I wish there was a step by step thread on how to root the Sprint Edge and not any other variants because I don't wanna mix things up and brick my phone.
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follow the steps in the link i posted but get the cf auto-root for the 915p. easy. i did it by following the link. if you screw up relax, you can fix it. but you will not screw up
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follow the steps in the link i posted but get the cf auto-root for the 915p. easy. i did it by following the link. if you screw up relax, you can fix it. but you will not screw up
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Does that include either custom recovery?. Is there one that is prefered to the other.
bignibb said:
Does that include either custom recovery?. Is there one that is prefered to the other.
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i would suggest at least reading the steps before asking questrions
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Does that include either custom recovery?. Is there one that is prefered to the other.
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I usually use CWM, but that's only because it's old school. Right now I chose not to install it in the last step of that thread because I have never used TWRP before. I have to say that I like the touch interface.
Besides getting the sprint variant of auto root you also need the sprint variant of TWRP. I posted a guide with basic steps including getting private mode working with xposed
For those that are here to help, thanks for pointing me to where I need to go, for those that posted about my needing to read, maybe you should spell check your snyde remarks before posting........lol
Sometimes its easier to answer a question and move on than to waste yours and my time. Yours by typing and not helping and mine by reading and not getting an answer.
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For those that are here to help, thanks for pointing me to where I need to go, for those that posted about my needing to read, maybe you should spell check your snyde remarks before posting........lol
Sometimes its easier to answer a question and move on than to waste yours and my time. Yours by typing and not helping and mine by reading and not getting an answer.
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look dude, i'm not trying to be a jerk but, you didn't even read the post. you just fired back a question. it's all right there in the in the link i posted, props to the creator, very well laid-out.
"RTFP"
nobody is going to baby you. you wanna root and do phone kung-fu, read!
I know it's probably been asked a thousand times, and it's probably a matter of opinion, but I want some input before rooting my note 4. I have rooted every android device I have ever owned, in most cases before they even got warm, but for some reason I'm hesitant With this one, I love it as it is, and I mostly like touchwiz but I put up with its limitations because I like the few perks that the stock launcher provides over an alternative launcher, I really only want to root just for Xposed mods and various root applications, I can't see myself flashing a custom rom anytime soon, unless someone works out how to implement all of the Samsung hardware features. My main concern at the moment I suppose is warranty and OTA update to Lollipop (if that ever happens), I know you can just get the stock rom/image when it's available but I would prefer OTA, at least for the first upgrade to lollipop. can you root but still keep the stock recovery? Can you root without tripping knox? Is there some sort of fuse like there was in the S4 (and I presume the S5,never had one), is it hard to un root?, any other downsides to rooting the note 4?
If you root you WILL trip Knox. I read a discussion about whether Knox is a physical or coded fuse and i think the general thought is that it is physical so once its tripped it xan only be reset by having the mainboard changed.
However lollipop should just be around the corner so you could just wait a few more weeks (purely a guess at release date) and get ota and then root.
There is a stock ROM available which just has root access and no other changes if you want to stay close to stock but want xposed but it depends what model you have.
I believe there is also an xposed module that hides your root that makes ota think that you haven't rooted so you can still get them. I rooted my Note straight away and tried several ROMs and at the moment I'm on CM12 and its fantastic.
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If you root you WILL trip Knox. I read a discussion about whether Knox is a physical or coded fuse and i think the general thought is that it is physical so once its tripped it xan only be reset by having the mainboard changed.
However lollipop should just be around the corner so you could just wait a few more weeks (purely a guess at release date) and get ota and then root.
There is a stock ROM available which just has root access and no other changes if you want to stay close to stock but want xposed but it depends what model you have.
I believe there is also an xposed module that hides your root that makes ota think that you haven't rooted so you can still get them. I rooted my Note straight away and tried several ROMs and at the moment I'm on CM12 and its fantastic.
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Thanks Eddster3000, yeah I remember looking into it a fair bit with my S4 and I think it was generally accepted that knox was a hardware fuse, I ended up rooting and updating the bootloader anyway. I was running CM12 on my S4 and loving it, I have always been a fan of Samsung hardware functionality but I stuck with CM12 anyway because it was so good, in this case though I think I'll miss the S pen features and a couple of other things, so I'll probably hold off for a little while I think, if someone came up with dual boot like the patcher for S4 that would probably tip me towards rooting. I have the telstra model, SM-N910G, I don't know how much telstra will interfere with the update process, only time will tell I suppose.
Absolutely. You won't regret it.
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I can't give up on my S-PEN
rooting impairs a huge amount of functionality.
you lose warranty permanently.
you lose knox permanently.
your dual personality phone is now single personality.
you lose knox apps like knox email which are better than regular samsung email.
you lose policy enforcement.
you lose hidden Gallery and hidden SNote.
you lose knox tracking and knox remote wipe.
zurkx said:
rooting impairs a huge amount of functionality.
you lose warranty permanently.
you lose knox permanently.
your dual personality phone is now single personality.
you lose knox apps like knox email which are better than regular samsung email.
you lose policy enforcement.
you lose hidden Gallery and hidden SNote.
you lose knox tracking and knox remote wipe.
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And rooting provides 100 times more functionality then you lose. Really, what percentage of people actually can't live without Knox?
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Eddster3000 said:
If you root you WILL trip Knox. I read a discussion about whether Knox is a physical or coded fuse and i think the general thought is that it is physical so once its tripped it xan only be reset by having the mainboard changed.
However lollipop should just be around the corner so you could just wait a few more weeks (purely a guess at release date) and get ota and then root.
There is a stock ROM available which just has root access and no other changes if you want to stay close to stock but want xposed but it depends what model you have.
I believe there is also an xposed module that hides your root that makes ota think that you haven't rooted so you can still get them. I rooted my Note straight away and tried several ROMs and at the moment I'm on CM12 and its fantastic.
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I really like CM roms, allways used them on my other devices.
but dont you miss the s-pen ??
and how is the camera quality on CM12 ?
I know on my S3 it was horrible on cyanogenmod roms becouse they did not have acces to all the samsung drivers
Brava27 said:
Absolutely. You won't regret it.
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Yeah, never have before, this is the first time I have ever had a second thought.
filthydani112 said:
I can't give up on my S-PEN
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That's my main issue, I use it so often, and the air command alone is so darn useful, but I probably won't use a custom rom, just want to customize the stock rom and keep all the cool samsungness.
zurkx said:
rooting impairs a huge amount of functionality.
you lose warranty permanently.
you lose knox permanently.
your dual personality phone is now single personality.
you lose knox apps like knox email which are better than regular samsung email.
you lose policy enforcement.
you lose hidden Gallery and hidden SNote.
you lose knox tracking and knox remote wipe.
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All good points to consider, I'm not so concerned with all of these points right now though, I just want access, not so much a custom rom, but what do you mean by dual/single personality?
Eddster3000 said:
If you root you WILL trip Knox. I read a discussion about whether Knox is a physical or coded fuse and i think the general thought is that it is physical so once its tripped it xan only be reset by having the mainboard changed.
However lollipop should just be around the corner so you could just wait a few more weeks (purely a guess at release date) and get ota and then root.
There is a stock ROM available which just has root access and no other changes if you want to stay close to stock but want xposed but it depends what model you have.
I believe there is also an xposed module that hides your root that makes ota think that you haven't rooted so you can still get them. I rooted my Note straight away and tried several ROMs and at the moment I'm on CM12 and its fantastic.
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dicko101 said:
Yeah, never have before, this is the first time I have ever had a second thought.
That's my main issue, I use it so often, and the air command alone is so darn useful, but I probably won't use a custom rom, just want to customize the stock rom and keep all the cool samsungness.
All good points to consider, I'm not so concerned with all of these points right now though, I just want access, not so much a custom rom, but what do you mean by dual/single personality?
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same here man, i really dont know if i should root it or not.. been using the phone 2 months now. and its good.. but you just know it could be better if you root it
Can somebody please tell me what happens to the Picture I have saved in private mode once I root my phone.. Also will I be able to activate private mode again once I unroot?
dicko101 said:
All good points to consider, I'm not so concerned with all of these points right now though, I just want access, not so much a custom rom, but what do you mean by dual/single personality?
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dual personality is when you use your phone for business/private banking/buying stuff. knox keeps certain applications hidden from the main system so that even if someone manages to get a virus on your phone your banking information and business emails are safe. they run in a dual personality or second phone behind the first one. for example i have a bunch of email accounts i use for normal personal stuff - which i use the front note 4 personality for and a business email account i use for business stuff in the second personality. its like two phones in one with different apps/accounts/everything.
sastheayubian said:
Can somebody please tell me what happens to the Picture I have saved in private mode once I root my phone.. Also will I be able to activate private mode again once I unroot?
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It will be lost. Once KONX is tripped, your KNOX container will be automatically erased.
So u mean I permanently lose private mode once I tipped Knox?
dicko101 said:
..... I really only want to root just for Xposed mods....
.... OTA update to Lollipop (if that ever happens)...
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Today Xposed only work with dalvik and when lollipop will come it will work with art
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zurkx said:
rooting impairs a huge amount of functionality.
you lose warranty permanently.
you lose knox permanently.
your dual personality phone is now single personality.
you lose knox apps like knox email which are better than regular samsung email.
you lose policy enforcement.
you lose hidden Gallery and hidden SNote.
you lose knox tracking and knox remote wipe.
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Haha knox is completely useless to everyone.
Sent from the first Samsung Galaxy ever
Brava27 said:
Haha knox is completely useless to everyone.
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completely useless to you because you have never used it. i spend around 70% of my phone time in knox so its not useless to me.
why even buy a $900 note 4 if youre going to permanently remove half its functionality ? you can get a fake note 4 for $160 and root it instead.
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completely useless to you because you have never used it. i spend around 70% of my phone time in knox so its not useless to me.
why even buy a $900 note 4 if youre going to permanently remove half its functionality ? you can get a fake note 4 for $160 and root it instead.
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Knox is for paranoid users. What does Knox do again? "protect you"? Please
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Brava27 said:
Knox is for paranoid users. What does Knox do again? "protect you"? Please
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it keeps my private stuff private. yes it does protect me against unauthorized use. you may not value privacy but some of us use our phones for work and not as toys.
zurkx said:
it keeps my private stuff private. yes it does protect me against unauthorized use. you may not value privacy but some of us use our phones for work and not as toys.
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Then why are you on xda if you cannot develop anything on your non rooted phone?
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Hi guys
Just bought a N4 today, and wounder if there is any way of not tripping knox?
I cant find any way with serarch!
3kgt said:
Hi guys
Just bought a N4 today, and wounder if there is any way of not tripping knox?
I cant find any way with serarch!
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No.
rs tony said:
No.
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what is the benefit of not tripping knox?
i am hesitant to root because of this whole knox thing, i've never had to deal with it.
tb5... said:
what is the benefit of not tripping knox?
i am hesitant to root because of this whole knox thing, i've never had to deal with it.
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Knox is in hardware, so u can"t cheat that yet.
tb5... said:
what is the benefit of not tripping knox?
i am hesitant to root because of this whole knox thing, i've never had to deal with it.
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@3kgt
You can root but you will trip knox, it's a security feature, when tripped it apparently makes a physical change, in the past with other Samsung handsets with knox there have been methods to root without tripping it, but not on the note 4.
Rooting and installing custom roms frees your handset, the performance and customization you gain from doing this (for me at least) far out weighs not retaining warranty, not to mention that Samsung do sometimes overlook the fact that knox has been tripped and have been known to fix tripped phones. Risky though so you should always assume the worst if you need to make a warranty claim.
The decision at the end of the day is yours, just get insurance and if something goes wrong, make a claim if you're really worried.
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With the age of the note now, chances are it'll never be done so tripping knox is here to stay.
dladz said:
@3kgt
You can root but you will trip knox, it's a security feature, when tripped it apparently makes a physical change, in the past with other Samsung handsets with knox there have been methods to root without tripping it, but not on the note 4.
Rooting and installing custom roms frees your handset, the performance and customization you gain from doing this (for me at least) far out weighs not retaining warranty, not to mention that Samsung do sometimes overlook the fact that knox has been tripped and have been known to fix tripped phones. Risky though so you should always assume the worst if you need to make a warranty claim.
The decision at the end of the day is yours, just get insurance and if something goes wrong, make a claim if you're really worried.
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With the age of the note now, chances are it'll never be done so tripping knox is here to stay.
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THx for the detailed explaining mate. Im aware of knox and have rooted N3 and N2 at home now... but just wanted 2 make sure that there is no fix or bypass yet.. there is 4 example a buypass for my N3 without tripping stupid knox.
Problem is the phone ia bought by my company. Cost 6800 Swedish kr. Wich is a lot for a phone. And not covered by private insuarance. So i will olay with it 4 a few days a decide later. I love rooting and xposed, dunno if i can get used 2 it without. Damn Sammy with there knox.
3kgt said:
THx for the detailed explaining mate. Im aware of knox and have rooted N3 and N2 at home now... but just wanted 2 make sure that there is no fix or bypass yet.. there is 4 example a buypass for my N3 without tripping stupid knox.
Problem is the phone ia bought by my company. Cost 6800 Swedish kr. Wich is a lot for a phone. And not covered by private insuarance. So i will olay with it 4 a few days a decide later. I love rooting and xposed, dunno if i can get used 2 it without. Damn Sammy with there knox.
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Yea I hear you there, I have an iPhone 6 corporate device, haven't even contemplated jailbreaking it.
In all fairness though, with a different launcher, a decent icon theme pack and some decent apps you can cover quite a bit of the stuff you get from custom ROMs, you won't have cm12 or a custom kernel, you won't have a modified system ui / settings, but it'll be a lot better than touchwiz.
The Google experience launcher for me is my go to launcher, it never slows down and you retain the spen goodies, fingerprint scanner and heartbeat monitor.
There's also a need root thread here in the Q&A section with some superb work arounds, take a look it may be what you need.
@dladz
so the only real benefit is warranty?
i am in canada and got my phone from kijijii online seller,
if that's the case i'll look into the best way to root the UAE 910c
thanks for the info.
Well take a look at what's available custom rom wise, not all variants are catered for at the same level. The 910F which is what I have is probably the most popular AFAIK. So check out development and see what's there for yourself before you commit. Warranty is literally the only thing stopping you, plus the fact you could mess up your phone.
Make sure you back up your efs partition the first chance you get, once you've committed there's no turning back. For me it's the only way to enjoy android.
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The thread I mentioned before was for people who didn't want to root and the potential alternatives to using rooted apps and zips. Like I said, worth a look.
tb5... said:
@dladz
so the only real benefit is warranty?
i am in canada and got my phone from kijijii online seller,
if that's the case i'll look into the best way to root the UAE 910c
thanks for the info.
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no the real benefit is knox with its app store and management platform. its awesome.
? Really?
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Knox is an abomination. No one benefits from knox
I dont use Touchwiz.. Thow i dont think that it sucks as much as some say! Its okey for beginners or "normal" users..
But personally i use nova prime wich is much faster and love the fact that u can backup and take it to the next phone.. U have Okej google in it as well.
I will try to live without root, thow i love skipping adds, removing blotware, Xposed, Call recording, and many other goodys.. Thow i never install costum rooms, personalt i think sammy rooms are okey but need some cleaning.
Hopefully we will get some root method soon :s
Will even call samsung service and make sure about knox and warrenty..but knowing myself i wont be able to wait too loong without rooting.
dladz said:
? Really?
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Knox is an abomination. No one benefits from knox
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yes really. knox is such an abdomination that google is adopting it for all android versions in the future. so get over it.
its very useful and allows excellent control over the phone and privacy as well.
zurkx said:
yes really. knox is such an abdomination that google is adopting it for all android versions in the future. so get over it.
its very useful and allows excellent control over the phone and privacy as well.
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Im with u there.. Its good 2 have it, But You should be able 2 download it IF you want to!
Now with a stock Sammy phone u will see that it has many parts open and runing in background even thow i dont use it!
And i think if sammy wants more costumers, then they should really skip the knox warranty **** :S I pay about 650-750$ for a New phone every year and its should be 100% mine to controll as i wish. They should for example say if knox is void, then no software warranty is givven, but hardware still should be there as loong as user is not dum and have messed with settings to FU the hardware...
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no the real benefit is knox with its app store and management platform. its awesome.
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can you elaborate or a link? or let me know what to search to find out more about this.
just want to know if its worth the root or not.
are you rooted?
zurkx said:
yes really. knox is such an abdomination that google is adopting it for all android versions in the future. so get over it.
its very useful and allows excellent control over the phone and privacy as well.
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Attitude much? They can keep it. I'll be rooting and thus tripping knox on every single phone I have. Can't see HTC adopting knox and that'll be my next phone anyway.
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More to the point can you elaborate on exactly what knox brings to the table besides a corporate secure structure, as a consumer there is no benefit at all. Can you explain what you're saying?
tb5... said:
can you elaborate or a link? or let me know what to search to find out more about this.
just want to know if its worth the root or not.
are you rooted?
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sure. sign up for knox express free at samsungknox.com .. im not rooted obviously.
heres what it looks like :
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"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
knox has an entire separate app store with only secure apps. a stripped down and fast encrypted personality (basically a second phone with no bloat). seamless switching. secure email and separate invisible device storage. secure calendars and notes. device tracking and logging. remote wipe and remote lock/unlock. there is literally a multi hundred page manual for all the functionality available.
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sure. sign up for knox express free at samsungknox.com .. im not rooted obviously.
heres what it looks like :
knox has an entire separate app store with only secure apps. a stripped down and fast encrypted personality (basically a second phone with no bloat). seamless switching. secure email and separate invisible device storage. secure calendars and notes. device tracking and logging. remote wipe and remote lock/unlock. there is literally a multi hundred page manual for all the functionality available.
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and for the bloke who just wants to buy a phone, root it, install cyanogen mod and then reverse it if an error which was not caused by rooting happens and then he can't return it because knox is tripped? What about then? Not everyone gives a crap about security on this level, not everyone wants a corporate structure either, infact not everyone worries about the FBI worrying about them?!?
In-fact the majority of users who go into a shop to buy a phone with a tinkering mind, who simply just want to buy a phone they can root and put some customisations on it like xposed, or even just to remove some bloat, in that respect for them and for probably a bunch of people here on XDA including myself and yourself unless you work for the government (in which case you would only be using this device unrooted as you're on a corporate scheme) this is worthless junk which adds something which no one here will ever need, besides a select few.
Let me tell you something which is being forgotten as time goes on, the whole principle behind Android is CHOICE, this is why people who buy android are avoiding apple, they want to choose what happens on their phones and not have someone else tell them what to do, by doing this they are essentially taking that away from people and thus losing the essence of what makes android android.
It's a shame that this has happened and it's even worse that people like yourselves can't see the bigger picture and whom actually support it and it's implications to ourselves and freedom of choice, at the end of the day a high end phone will cost you around £500, that's not peanuts to most.
Think about it.
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And before you think i'm just bashing you, i simply am saying how i feel about being told what to do, even if the upside is something which I can use to avoid detection in the real world, I'm not hiding anything but if this is the way things are going then i'd rather do without.
Having this amount of security as a choice is amazing, being forced to have it is kind of like living in north korea.
Google has gone far enough with what they've been doing, this is a little too much.
let me put my 2 cents...
i've rooted every single phone i had (even the note3 when the towel root came out), but on my note4 i'm didn't.
one of the reasons is that i don't want to waste my 700€ voiding my warranty
the other reason (that should be the most important for 3kgt since he has a company phone) is the secure environment that your company can decide to use.
if your company decides to deploy apps on your phone using knox you'll be definitely unable to use the phone!
bye
alessandro_xda said:
let me put my 2 cents...
i've rooted every single phone i had (even the note3 when the towel root came out), but on my note4 i'm didn't.
one of the reasons is that i don't want to waste my 700€ voiding my warranty
the other reason (that should be the most important for 3kgt since he has a company phone) is the secure environment that your company can decide to use.
if your company decides to deploy apps on your phone using knox you'll be definitely unable to use the phone!
bye
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Thanks mate, but i didnt mention that i bouhgt it fo myself by the company
Sure i use it in work as well, but not that kind wich needs knox.
And i agre with Dladz that Android is about freedom and knox is not a nice part of it.. I will Root my N4 for sure, but will first talk to Samsung service + might wait for a better way or if someone makes a way 2 root without tripping knox. It sucks that most big koders seems to have left rooting in order 2 work for Google or others :s
So I just discovered I can't uninstall the Facebook app which thoroughly pissed me off. If it's not system critical then I think I aught to be able to uninstall it. Especially with all the news about Facebook scraping phone messages and what not without permission.
So mostly I'm pretty happy with the phone. Still annoyed Google includes pointless uninstallable apps I'm never going to use. For the most part I just disable those and move on. With Facebook, I want it gone.
I'm happy to unroot my device when done or leave it rooted. I've never actually rooted a phone before and the closest I can say I've come is I've jailbroken an old ipod touch before.
So if someone could point me in the right direction to help me remove this blasted Facebook app then I'd be mighty happy about that.
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Firedingo
You should just be able to disable it without the need for root via the apps menu. If that fails, there's this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kunkunsoft.packagedisabler or another app callled Package Disabler Pro which should do the job.
I've also read about an app called Adhell which will work too.
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So I just discovered I can't uninstall the Facebook app which thoroughly pissed me off. If it's not system critical then I think I aught to be able to uninstall it. Especially with all the news about Facebook scraping phone messages and what not without permission.
So mostly I'm pretty happy with the phone. Still annoyed Google includes pointless uninstallable apps I'm never going to use. For the most part I just disable those and move on. With Facebook, I want it gone.
I'm happy to unroot my device when done or leave it rooted. I've never actually rooted a phone before and the closest I can say I've come is I've jailbroken an old ipod touch before.
So if someone could point me in the right direction to help me remove this blasted Facebook app then I'd be mighty happy about that.
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Firedingo
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Post above me is right, just for disabling/uninstalling Facebook, it might be overkill to root.
You have to know: There are different variants of the galaxy s8, based on the geographic location of where you bought it.
The international/european version is "easy" to root, while it's not possible to root an american Galaxy s8. There also is the fact that you void your warranty rooting, if you're outside of the EU ( see this)
So rethink your decission and if you still want to root, we can than show you a guide on how to
jaannnis said:
Post above me is right, just for disabling/uninstalling Facebook, it might be overkill to root.
You have to know: There are different variants of the galaxy s8, based on the geographic location of where you bought it.
The international/european version is "easy" to root, while it's not possible to root an american Galaxy s8. There also is the fact that you void your warranty rooting, if you're outside of the EU <URL trimmed because the system doesn't like it with me as a new user>
So rethink your decission and if you still want to root, we can than show you a guide on how to
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I have an international version, Australia to be exact. Yeah I knew that rooting voided the warranty. That said, the Australian Consumer Law is NOT voided despite me rooting the device so I may or may not have protection on that front depending on the issue.
I'd still like to know how to root my device. But thank you for raising those relevant points.
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I have an international version, Australia to be exact. Yeah I knew that rooting voided the warranty. That said, the Australian Consumer Law is NOT voided despite me rooting the device so I may or may not have protection on that front depending on the issue.
I'd still like to know how to root my device. But thank you for raising those relevant points.
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In order to root you flash a custom Recovery (TWRP in our case) via Odin on PC (Samsungs flash tool). You than boot up into that recovery and flash either Magisk or SuperSu.
Here is the thread: [RECOVERY][OFFICIAL] TWRP for Galaxy S8 and S8+ (Exynos)+
See post #3 for instructions.
Uninstall facebook without rooting even when its system app .
. Still annoyed Google includes pointless uninstallable apps I'm never going to use.
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Pretty sure google's AOSP doesn't have this. This is a Samsung decision, not Google.