All,
Just want you to know I have had android phones for the past 4yrs and each and every one I have rooted, installed ROMS, tweeked etc...This is the only phone I feel I don't need to root. I did tweek it a bit by installing ART and disabling some bloatware apps from ATT, but so far, I have not gotten the itch to root yet.
I'm sure it will change, but so far this phone is a beast and I have no issues with it.
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Good for you. But some of us NEED root.
Slash8915 said:
Good for you. But some of us NEED root.
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No you don't, you WANT root. There is a big difference.
I think over the years manufacturers have slowly figured out how to make the stock experience less and less awful. I used to be a flash-aholic on my Droid Incredible but I can see how custom ROMs are becoming more of a personal preference than a necessity.
Semantics said:
No you don't, you WANT root. There is a big difference.
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Yeah, it's all semantics, really. :silly:
Sorry, but I guess that is what I was trying to get at with my post. In the past, I would root to optimize the phone, increase performance etc...But with the current state of Android and even this skinned LG, I can live with stock and not have to go through crack flashing. Was terribly time consuming.
Nutzzer said:
All,
Just want you to know I have had android phones for the past 4yrs and each and every one I have rooted, installed ROMS, tweeked etc...This is the only phone I feel I don't need to root. I did tweek it a bit by installing ART and disabling some bloatware apps from ATT, but so far, I have not gotten the itch to root yet.
I'm sure it will change, but so far this phone is a beast and I have no issues with it.
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Plus the LG set up has a native bluetooth hotspot that doesn't seem to need the $10 a month change my provider normally charges. So No hotspot hack required.
Semantics said:
No you don't, you WANT root. There is a big difference.
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I have an appradio 2 in my car. I NEED root for it to connect to my phone. So yes. I NEED root. Don't try talking for me.
Edit: NVM.
Slash8915 said:
I have an appradio 2 in my car. I NEED root for it to connect to my phone. So yes. I NEED root. Don't try talking for me.
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Again, you want root. You purchased an item under the assumption that you will always have root, and that may not be the case. You bought an item that doesn't support many devices it seems, perhaps you should have taken that into consideration before assuming every device you buy will have root. Its much easier to go to appradio and look at what is supported, and buying the appropriate device then insisting on needing root to use an item that currently isn't compatible with your phone.
Quit arguing semantics. It is really quite juvenile. Need/want - who cares.
Semantics said:
Again, you want root. You purchased an item under the assumption that you will always have root, and that may not be the case. You bought an item that doesn't support many devices it seems, perhaps you should have taken that into consideration before assuming every device you buy will have root. Its much easier to go to appradio and look at what is supported, and buying the appropriate device then insisting on needing root to use an item that currently isn't compatible with your phone.
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Dumbest debate I've ever heard. Maybe he NEEDS root to use a certain feature everyday for his job.
I NEED root to read logcats on my phone because I develop apps.
Any way to restore full sd support for kitkat without root?
I will mine tomorrow as soon as I get it lol
I rooted mine the same day I got it, for the same reason I immediately root all my devices. Adfree Android. I can't stand advertisements.....
Lord, the guy was talking about himself and somehow it became about someone else....he is experiencing his thought on HIS rooting experience. You want to go on about how much YOU NEED / WANT root open your own discussion thread and go at it...in YOUR thread.
And thanks OP for your input, thats the same kind of experience I am trying to go for where the stock rom can fullfil my phone desire without needing to root...and when I do will just be to entertain myself
Semantics said:
Again, you want root. You purchased an item under the assumption that you will always have root, and that may not be the case. You bought an item that doesn't support many devices it seems, perhaps you should have taken that into consideration before assuming every device you buy will have root. Its much easier to go to appradio and look at what is supported, and buying the appropriate device then insisting on needing root to use an item that currently isn't compatible with your phone.
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Actually, I bought the Appradio while I had the GS4, which has root. I got it knowing that I would need root, so I STILL have the GS4, and won't be buying the G3 until it has root. I'm not just going to jump to another phone without knowing for sure it has root.
So seriously... Get off your ****ing high horse.
Heisenberg420 said:
Dumbest debate I've ever heard. Maybe he NEEDS root to use a certain feature everyday for his job.
I NEED root to read logcats on my phone because I develop apps.
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You develop apps, but don't buy a developer phone? That might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. He bought a niche product, and NEEDS root to play with it, its not for work, lol. Whatever. You need root, and you're a developer, so I'm sure you'll have it figured out in no time at all, Chief.
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Please stop using the rom version space as a spot to put your rom's name. I just called sprint customer support and they told me that a simple version check on the phones reported back roms that were not built by their team....then the tech proceeded to read off the exact info that my phone displayed. It's not good when sprint can simply ping our device and see that it's reporting back custom rom names, version numbers and everything. This really puts a damper on things when you need to do a device exchange for something that's totally unrelated to anything flashing could do.
Or you could just flash your phone back to stock when you need support. Like we've always done.
One does not simply tell devs what to do.
*Sent from Nexus S*
or you can open your build.prop file with root explorer and write in "sprint sucks"(or anything else) instead
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Or you could just flash your phone back to stock when you need support. Like we've always done.
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Exactly.
simms22 said:
or you can open your build.prop file with root explorer and write in "sprint sucks"(or anything else) instead
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haha.. Oh man.. The fun we could have.
"ro.modversion=This_Is_Dan_Hesse_Get_Back_To_Work_And_Stop_Being_Big_Brother"
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"ro.modversion=This_Is_Dan_Hesse_Get_Back_To_Work_And_Stop_Being_Big_Brother"
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this is good.
heres an older screenshot of some build.prop edits in about phone
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:laugh: QuadCore Jesus Phone....
You should tell sprint to basically stfu. Stop delaying updates and don't worry about what software is on your phone period.
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Please stop using the rom version space as a spot to put your rom's name. I just called sprint customer support and they told me that a simple version check on the phones reported back roms that were not built by their team....then the tech proceeded to read off the exact info that my phone displayed. It's not good when sprint can simply ping our device and see that it's reporting back custom rom names, version numbers and everything. This really puts a damper on things when you need to do a device exchange for something that's totally unrelated to anything flashing could do.
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Personally I don't think it's any of Sprints business what WE do with OUR phones and DEVS do with THEIR roms. As long as the bills paid they can kiss it in my personal opinion. Not as if anyone at a call center really knows what they are talking about anyhow. They are all reading from prompters and how to guides anyhow. Most of Sprint issues are on THEIR side anyways. WE obviously can't tell Sprint what to do.
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Or you could just flash your phone back to stock when you need support. Like we've always done.
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yes, well I didn't exactly expect the employee to ping my build.prop from her machine, so it never occurred to me that I may have to flash stock just to call them. Obviously if I had gone down to a store or repair center I would have gone completely stock with a fresh wipe to look as if I had just tried restoring my phone to fix any issue. But like I said, it never even crossed my mind that I would have to be paranoid about it and flash just before calling them.
BTW, I totally agree....it's none of their damn business what firmware I'm running!!! I don't remember signing anything saying I would agree to keep stock firmware and kernel on the device the whole time in order to keep my service/warranty active!! I actually distinctly remember the conversation i had with the mobile dept manager at best buy when I bought my ns4g...and he told me they would accept a return for exchange with a device that's got an unlocked bootloader, custom rec, has been flashed & is rooted, etc He even told me if it got smashed to pieces the warranty would cover it. I'm not sure how truthful the last part is, but he said it
anyway, my point is we now have proof that they can ping your device and read what build you are running....and we know that means we have to be extra careful when calling too, not just visiting a store.
oh, btw...she also told me that the last attempt I made at an ota was in may when ics was released...so the fact that I had a jb build number proved I had been flashing. This means we also now know we need to take an additional step to update to the newest version via OTA at least one time prior to contacting support.
I guess its good into to know for those on sprint. But in the end screw them. I would not for a second change anything or worry one bit about it. If they gave me any crap I would tell them to f off and kill my plan and I would never pay it.
Like I did years ago over a beef with them. I was so furious with them and I actually wanted to hear from the CEO. Told them f off. Told the debt collectors to screw off. Just thinking about that nightmare again got me ticked off.
I'm on the Verizon gnex ...do you think the note3 will have a thriving development community. With kitt kat coming...will updates be timely. Also with a QUALCOMM processor will unlocking the bootloader be a problem?
chefb said:
I'm on the Verizon gnex ...do you think the note3 will have a thriving development community. With kitt kat coming...will updates be timely. Also with a QUALCOMM processor will unlocking the bootloader be a problem?
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its at the point if you want to mod your phone it will be time to leave verizon. the s4 originally was hacked but a update killed that and the update i believe has not been hacked. the bootloaded will be locked on verizon....either stay and hope they crack it or speak with your money
My vote is that root will be achieved but if we get bootloader access we will have to be quick about it since Verizon WILL push an update immediately. But I suspect Verizon has Samsung really locking the bootloader up tight and using the experience they gain from every device prior on what fuses to blow.
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its at the point if you want to mod your phone it will be time to leave verizon. the s4 originally was hacked but a update killed that and the update i believe has not been hacked. the bootloaded will be locked on verizon....either stay and hope they crack it or speak with your money
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The S4 update is rooted, but the new bootloader is still locked. A workaround is in progress.
RaptorMD said:
My vote is that root will be achieved but if we get bootloader access we will have to be quick about it since Verizon WILL push an update immediately. But I suspect Verizon has Samsung really locking the bootloader up tight and using the experience they gain from every device prior on what fuses to blow.
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You never know what's floating around on the dark corners of the internet. Pre-release kernels from shows/conference's (like IFA) N3 system dumps might already be being combed through for exploits :silly:
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The S4 update is rooted, but the new bootloader is still locked. A workaround is in progress.
You never know what's floating around on the dark corners of the internet. Pre-release kernels from shows/conference's (like IFA) N3 system dumps might already be being combed through for exploits :silly:
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One can only hope
The night is dark and full of terrors
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The S4 update is
You never know what's floating around on the dark corners of the internet. Pre-release kernels from shows/conference's (like IFA) N3 system dumps might already be being combed through for exploits :silly:
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2381382
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The night is dark and full of terrors
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You never know what's floating around on the dark corners of the internet. Pre-release kernels from shows/conference's (like IFA) N3 system dumps might already be being combed through for exploits :silly:
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And so it begins...
Keep em coming!
<removed private messages>- jcase
谢谢 来学习一下
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谢谢 来学习一下
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I'm not even sure what that means (please speak English), but if you're referring to the allegedly insecure boot.img you posted, that's possibly really good news for N9005 users. It will not help Verizon users at all as each bootloader is carrier specific.
<Dont share private messages, nor create false drama> - jcase
You heard it hear first folks: http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...nd-maxx-makes-flashing-custom-roms-a-reality/
SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even if there's no way through the new Samsung security...there's already a way around it:
http://www.androidcentral.com/galax...active-now-have-safestrap-support-rom-loading
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Even if there's no way through the new Samsung security...there's already a way around it:
http://www.androidcentral.com/galax...active-now-have-safestrap-support-rom-loading
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I find this news promising... but what are the chances of there being a developer addition note...?
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I find this news promising... but what are the chances of there being a developer addition note...?
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I'd say there's a pretty good chance. The problem, in my eyes, is that DE variants aren't released until 5-10+ weeks after the device goes to the carrier. I'd rather put my faith in the dev community and enjoy my new phone all that time. As I've said before (not sure if this thread or not), early adoption is the key to unlocking and rooting. You don't want to pick up a phone after the first OTA is released by Verizon. They'll have most certainly patched the bootloader exploit (new S4 builds are a prime example and so was the DNA).
why does your service provider verizon block custom roms? what it to them if you install what you want? sounds a bit farked to me...
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why does your service provider verizon block custom roms? what it to them if you install what you want? sounds a bit farked to me...
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They don't want you to remove the Verizon bloat preloaded on the phone and lose potential revenue.
Ive been a long time lurker on this site prolly since the GSII-- I dont post much then , or with me GSIII or Note 2- I guess thats why that account no longer exists. So with my purchase of the Note Edge i knew this would be my go to place for any information or eventually ROM's-- i gotta say that normally i never spent more then a day with Touchwiz- usually rooting and flashing within 24 hours of purchase. Ive had the phone foe about 4 days and.... HOLY MOLY this phone is slooow... so much crap is running-- 3gb of ram and 2 and half of it is always used-- sprint zone and fb keep updating and re downloading even though i continuously uninstall them daily and revert to original software versions. Now i finally understand peoples hatred towards touchwiz.. im used to ASOP-- I coulda swore touchwiz was NOT that bad in the GSII days ;-( although i have faith the dev. will take off eventually with this phone... if there were other options i might have considered going else where-- im coming from a rooted note2) But i dont think there is anything remotely better then samsung-- as bad ass as the phone is spec'd out to be i thought it would be as zippy as the nexus--- but it is most definitely slower then my note- Also since ive been ot of the loop this KNOX stuff is all new to me--basically from what i gathered by googling any root will void the warranty on the device? ive never ever sent a phone in to samsung but there is times ive gone to A Sprint tech center for help--will they turn me away if its 0x1? well i just wanted to stop by and say hi to this forum-- im beginning the process to acquire files so i can root my phone tonight-- id think the sky is the limit with the things we can do with out phones--- Much thanks to the DEV's that make this possible!!
Well your sprint one seems to be acting funny.. I'm on my T-Mobile Note Edge, and I started from the G1. This phone is really smooth, no errors, and for the first time really no reason for me to have to root my phone and get rid of bloat ware to speed things up! And that was before I disabled the bloat ware anyways. You could say I'm also waiting for a way to root without tripping Knox. I'm kinda curious how ASOP or CyanogenMod will look like on this phone, and if they'll be able to use the edge productively. I'm actually throughly pleased with the phone, especially with how the home launcher is setup. My only bug is the fact that the second favorite edge doesn't allow for reorganization. That's my 2 cents. I hope your experience becomes more enjoyable
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Let me restate...i kinda sounded like a whiney brat with my last/first post. I realize that we as a group aa the less then 1% that care about specs.. and ver numbers. Im just not used to TouchWiz trying to do everything for me yet not the things i want it to do. for example every time I touch it text entry field I have a keyboard icon on the top of the notification bar...prompting me to choose Input method EVERYTIME?!? everyday I get sprint zone adverts in my notification bar even though I uninstall it every night before bed.. and multiple times a day I'm asked if I would like to sign in for Picasa.. i say no 3 or 4 times a day.. i cant figure out how to delete it. I miss the custom roms where all this bs is not even installed. Granted i knew there wasn't much support when i took the jump.. and honestly these issues would be the same with the regular note 4... id most definitely be willing to throw some $ to a recocognized established dev out there ... im miss my paranoid android and illusion roms :-/ but i know nothing out there can compare to the note edge at the moment...!
I have none of the issues you speak of. My only real issue is with kit Kat since I can't write to my sd card but other than that I am good with my phone.
I'm using the AT&T stock version and haven't encountered any issues except I waited to long to send it back to get the white version. Lol. Other than that I like the device.
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Ive been a long time lurker on this site prolly since the GSII-- I dont post much then , or with me GSIII or Note 2- I guess thats why that account no longer exists. So with my purchase of the Note Edge i knew this would be my go to place for any information or eventually ROM's-- i gotta say that normally i never spent more then a day with Touchwiz- usually rooting and flashing within 24 hours of purchase. Ive had the phone foe about 4 days and.... HOLY MOLY this phone is slooow... so much crap is running-- 3gb of ram and 2 and half of it is always used-- sprint zone and fb keep updating and re downloading even though i continuously uninstall them daily and revert to original software versions. Now i finally understand peoples hatred towards touchwiz.. im used to ASOP-- I coulda swore touchwiz was NOT that bad in the GSII days ;-( although i have faith the dev. will take off eventually with this phone... if there were other options i might have considered going else where-- im coming from a rooted note2) But i dont think there is anything remotely better then samsung-- as bad ass as the phone is spec'd out to be i thought it would be as zippy as the nexus--- but it is most definitely slower then my note- Also since ive been ot of the loop this KNOX stuff is all new to me--basically from what i gathered by googling any root will void the warranty on the device? ive never ever sent a phone in to samsung but there is times ive gone to A Sprint tech center for help--will they turn me away if its 0x1? well i just wanted to stop by and say hi to this forum-- im beginning the process to acquire files so i can root my phone tonight-- id think the sky is the limit with the things we can do with out phones--- Much thanks to the DEV's that make this possible!!
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root it and strip the rubbish and bloat, was da matta you?!
mine was slow and lagged like crazy from all the "indexservice" and annoying samsung crap running. i stripped it all and use CM cleanmaster and battery doctor. no autostarting apps and no bloat like weather and yahoo finance...
titanium backup to freeze or remove crap.
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No problems since I pulled it out the box...
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I have none of the issues you speak of. My only real issue is with kit Kat since I can't write to my sd card but other than that I am good with my phone.
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theres a fix listed in the note 4 root post. let me see if i can find it.
here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-edge/general/easy-steps-stock-odin-n915tuvu1anjl-sm-t2943993 first post, midway
bignibb said:
I have none of the issues you speak of. My only real issue is with kit Kat since I can't write to my sd card but other than that I am good with my phone.
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jrummy.sdfix
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even better
All those fixes are for rooted phones, i have not yet taken the plunge. I rooted my wife's note 4 but have just been hesitant to do my edge. I thought I was going to wait on lollipop but might not make it
Welp... enjoy your refusal
I wish there was a step by step thread on how to root the Sprint Edge and not any other variants because I don't wanna mix things up and brick my phone.
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I wish there was a step by step thread on how to root the Sprint Edge and not any other variants because I don't wanna mix things up and brick my phone.
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follow the steps in the link i posted but get the cf auto-root for the 915p. easy. i did it by following the link. if you screw up relax, you can fix it. but you will not screw up
cvaria said:
follow the steps in the link i posted but get the cf auto-root for the 915p. easy. i did it by following the link. if you screw up relax, you can fix it. but you will not screw up
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Does that include either custom recovery?. Is there one that is prefered to the other.
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Does that include either custom recovery?. Is there one that is prefered to the other.
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i would suggest at least reading the steps before asking questrions
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Does that include either custom recovery?. Is there one that is prefered to the other.
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I usually use CWM, but that's only because it's old school. Right now I chose not to install it in the last step of that thread because I have never used TWRP before. I have to say that I like the touch interface.
Besides getting the sprint variant of auto root you also need the sprint variant of TWRP. I posted a guide with basic steps including getting private mode working with xposed
For those that are here to help, thanks for pointing me to where I need to go, for those that posted about my needing to read, maybe you should spell check your snyde remarks before posting........lol
Sometimes its easier to answer a question and move on than to waste yours and my time. Yours by typing and not helping and mine by reading and not getting an answer.
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For those that are here to help, thanks for pointing me to where I need to go, for those that posted about my needing to read, maybe you should spell check your snyde remarks before posting........lol
Sometimes its easier to answer a question and move on than to waste yours and my time. Yours by typing and not helping and mine by reading and not getting an answer.
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look dude, i'm not trying to be a jerk but, you didn't even read the post. you just fired back a question. it's all right there in the in the link i posted, props to the creator, very well laid-out.
"RTFP"
nobody is going to baby you. you wanna root and do phone kung-fu, read!
I got my Note 4 Today! I love it already. Once I get my old phone official transferred to a family a member I think I'm going to root her. But first I wnated to know whats the process for rooting? And is it possible to unroot without signs its been rooted in case I need to send it for repairs? Thanks
My advice, start reading a little. I think I have seen your questions answered before?
gravatrax1 said:
I got my Note 4 Today! I love it already. Once I get my old phone official transferred to a family a member I think I'm going to root her. But first I wnated to know whats the process for rooting? And is it possible to unroot without signs its been rooted in case I need to send it for repairs? Thanks
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There are many tutorial here on XDA about rooting, flashing etc.Read carefully and you'll be good to go.Also there is a section for question(Help&Troubleshooting), this is the general forum section, make sure where you post next.
Ah, cut him some slack, he's just excited he got a new phone!
But yes, you should do some reading before you do anything as drastic as modifying system files. There are tutorials and that will guide you through the process and a lot of threads discussing issues such as unrooting and warranty. Good luck!
As of right now, there is no known method to reset value of knox to default once rooted. Hopefully, someone will come up with a to root it without tripping knox or a way to reset the knox to default value. I also recently got my Note 4 and weighing in on whether I should root it or not.
I'm familiar with rooting and it's risks. I've rooted other devices. I just didn't want to dive headfirst into rooting this phone if I was not able to get it back to stock with no evidence of tampering. I have total equipment protection which covers any physical damage to the phone, and its come in handy in the past with devices that hav enot been rooted. I don't eve recall them doing anything at the store to check for modications to the software. Ultimately I plan on just rooting the device nad installing SU to get rid of bloatware and used some Xposed modules, no flashing of custom roms or anything.
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I'm familiar with rooting and it's risks. I've rooted other devices. I just didn't want to dive headfirst into rooting this phone if I was not able to get it back to stock with no evidence of tampering. I have total equipment protection which covers any physical damage to the phone, and its come in handy in the past with devices that hav enot been rooted. I don't eve recall them doing anything at the store to check for modications to the software. Ultimately I plan on just rooting the device nad installing SU to get rid of bloatware and used some Xposed modules, no flashing of custom roms or anything.
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rooting a note 4 is extremely silly. you lose half the functionality including a nice secure app store. and you lose it permanently with no possibility of getting it back along with the warranty.
zurkx said:
rooting a note 4 is extremely silly. you lose half the functionality including a nice secure app store. and you lose it permanently with no possibility of getting it back along with the warranty.
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I've had mine 4 days and rooted it. Just becos....well, cos I always have! Nowhere did I readabout losing functionality app Store, Samsung's l assume?Care to expand on that further?? while I search it?
Gotta say I'm impressed with the note so far- -Spen rocks-- no more keyboard which for me is the best feature, still exploring.. Any hints on using the note 4 to it's fullest capablities would be greatly appreciated.
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you lose the knox secure app store and obviously all the apps like knox email and secure/business versions of common apps as well.
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obviously all the apps like knox email
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and secure/business versions of common apps as well.
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ok, thanks for your reply and heads up-my phone is pure indulgence, not for the business side of things. will keep in mind though, and look into this 'Knox' thing a bit more .
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But you don't lose access to the galaxy apps such as s write s health etc.? If that's so I really don't care. I will probably never even look at this so called Knox app store.
youre going to write off half your phone functionality permanently without even trying it out once ?
zurkx said:
youre going to write off half your phone functionality permanently without even trying it out once ?
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mate it would be really nice. you could explain what this "half the functionality" we are losing, is-Samsung Apps still work,. Google search turned up only one post regarding ''losing functionality" and that was yours?? So I am a bit confused?
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mate it would be really nice. you could explain what this "half the functionality" we are losing, is-Samsung Apps still work,. Google search turned up only one post regarding ''losing functionality" and that was yours?? So I am a bit confused?
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you lose a huge huge amount of functionality. too much to describe. an entire separate app store with only secure apps. a stripped down and fast encrypted personality (basically a second phone with no bloat). seamless switching. secure email and separate invisible device storage. secure calendars and notes. device tracking and logging. remote wipe and remote lock/unlock. there is literally a multi hundred page manual for all the functionality available.
have a look at just one screen of knox emm and you can see how much functionality you lose :
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you lose a huge huge amount of functionality. too much to describe. an entire separate app store with only secure apps. a stripped down and fast encrypted personality (basically a second phone with no bloat). seamless switching. secure email and separate invisible device storage. secure calendars and notes. device tracking and logging. remote wipe and remote lock/unlock. there is literally a multi hundred page manual for all the functionality available.
have a look at just one screen of knox emm and you can see how much functionality you lose :
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Off Topic: Is that a 4K screen? Damn that DPI must be pretty low I couldn't read without my glasses
Basically, yes, you lose Knox. Which is something that no app can replace right now. Knox is what iCloud Security is for iPhones. If somebody stoles your phone, you can track it, or delete everything and render it unusable to the thieft. Also, with knox and reactivation lock enabled, no one can root the phone and delete knox as it prevents to flash anything via Odin. It makes your phone really safe, but it's a worth losing.
I've rooted my phone since the first day I bought it. I don't have warranty as I've imported the phone from USA, so Samsung Argentina doesn't cover it. It's totally worth. If you use Kitkat, Xposed is the best addition for your rooted device. If you're in Lollipop, you can always flash custom themes/mods via Recovery. Root (almost) always is a benefit. I recommend you to enjoy your phone as is, and when you're prepared (or bored, whatever you want to call it), go ahead and root it. Congratulations and cheers!
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you lose a huge huge amount of functionality. too much to describe. an entire separate app store with only secure apps. a stripped down and fast encrypted personality (basically a second phone with no bloat). seamless switching. secure email and separate invisible device storage. secure calendars and notes. device tracking and logging. remote wipe and remote lock/unlock. there is literally a multi hundred page manual for all the functionality available.
have a look at just one screen of knox emm and you can see how much functionality you lose :
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Thankyou, I've had abitof a read up on Knox, I guess,.if this was a company phone, or I worked in IT then this ' feature would be the' bees knees'. fortunately its purely for pleasure!!
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Off Topic: Is that a 4K screen? Damn that DPI must be pretty low I couldn't read without my glasses
Basically, yes, you lose Knox. Which is something that no app can replace right now. Knox is what iCloud Security is for iPhones. If somebody stoles your phone, you can track it, or delete everything and render it unusable to the thieft. Also, with knox and reactivation lock enabled, no one can root the phone and delete knox as it prevents to flash anything via Odin. It makes your phone really safe, but it's a worth losing.
I've rooted my phone since the first day I bought it. I don't have warranty as I've imported the phone from USA, so Samsung Argentina doesn't cover it. It's totally worth. If you use Kitkat, Xposed is the best addition for your rooted device. If you're in Lollipop, you can always flash custom themes/mods via Recovery. Root (almost) always is a benefit. I recommend you to enjoy your phone as is, and when you're prepared (or bored, whatever you want to call it), go ahead and root it. Congratulations and cheers!
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nice, thanks for the info chap, I'm absolutely loving this thing. Root was done in first few hours, used CF Root and Odin all good.
Hope OP has enough info now to make a decision,
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I can see how Knox would be detrimental to someone in a business or tech related job where security is upmost importance however I am not that person so it's just something that' snot useful to me. I think for the time being I'll just keep the phone as is but eventually I will probably root it. I'm only a few days in and I already miss some of my apps and Xposed modules that I used one my One from when it was rooted.
Personally I wouldn't bother rooting. Losing a warranty isn't worth it considering the minimal benefits of rooting.
You'll soon learn to live without the limited additions that exposed offers, and you'll not miss the performance hit exposed offers the Note 4 which is slow enough already.
There is a thread that suggests alternatives to rooting.
If you're anything like me, you'll be onto another phone soon enough and no one will want to buy a phone with no warranty that someone's been trashing with Root.
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Personally I wouldn't bother rooting. Losing a warranty isn't worth it considering the minimal benefits of rooting.
You'll soon learn to live without the limited additions that exposed offers, and you'll not miss the performance hit exposed offers the Note 4 which is slow enough already.
There is a thread that suggests alternatives to rooting.
If you're anything like me, you'll be onto another phone soon enough and no one will want to buy a phone with no warranty that someone's been trashing with Root.
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Not me I wen the Sprint easy pay route. I'll have this phone for the next two years. I think I'll wait till OTA of Lollipop comes out then wait for a stable root and do it then.
Hello all! Just Inquiring to the geniuses that float around on this site about working to help bring root to this device. I have all the standard things (wired connection to PC, adb access, etc.). Just wondering if anyone needed any extra help or if they need someone to test methods out.
Before I get flamed, I DO know the risks of running commands incorrectly, and running them not knowing if it will work, not work or brick the device.
Currently looking into the mod interface as well. (Might be useful)
unless I understand incorrectly the biggest issue isn't root itself but the needed boot.img that requires an unlocked bootloader because if Android 6.
I'm going to inquire with Moto and see if they would be so gracious enough to unlock my bootloader since the option is there in dev settings. I know this might be a lost cause but maybe if I can get that done, and upload any stock images for people to tinker around with, do you believe it would help the dev community find an exploit?
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I'm going to inquire with Moto and see if they would be so gracious enough to unlock my bootloader since the option is there in dev settings. I know this might be a lost cause but maybe if I can get that done, and upload any stock images for people to tinker around with, do you believe it would help the dev community find an exploit?
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Will not happen. Verizon won't let them. Just wait for the unlocked version to come out and a dev to get that.
Question: when the unlocked version comes out, that won't matter to us stuck using big red's version, will it?
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Question: when the unlocked version comes out, that won't matter to us stuck using big red's version, will it?
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Dont know. It could or it might not. It could lead to the finding of an exploit that we can use. When that comes out we have better odds. Heck we might just be able to do a simple flash and flash some verizon stuff....Prob not knowing verizon but it could happen. My advice is not to update until we see how the unlocked versions development is going. But as of right now no one is working on this phone.
Good odds tho. Unlocked comes out and people start working on it to unlock even more stuff for more mod development we might get lucky and get some trickle down exploits that will free us.
But knowing verizon i bet they have something in the works to force people to update. Because they are shady like that. Oh here is a new moto mod. And its only $20 and will add like wireless charging and a second sd card slot....but it wont work unless you use this software update. And oh by the way it fixes that exploit. I could see them doing something like that. Using a cheap mod that would be awesome like a mod that gives wireless charging and a second micro sd card slot to force us to update to use it and patch a exploit.
Great phone only phone i have ever had that i did not require root and a bootloader unlock. Hell its the only phone i will use stock...Well i use nova launcher but not to speed it up. Just to block the verizon bloatware from my app list. God i cant wait for them to load down the phones with all the yahoo bloat now. My god help us next year.
yahoo maps
yahoo messenger
yahoo news
yahoo search
Just to name a few of the crap they will load down. Get a 32gig phone. 5gigs of it will be verizon and yahoo apps you will never use that cant be uninstalled.
If our project was only gaining root access, then the Verizon Moto Z / Z Force currently has vulnerabilities listed under quadrooter.
http://blog.checkpoint.com/2016/08/07/quadrooter/
The international version does come out soon and hopefully we can get some progress on the bootloader!
As far as gaining root access, if I knew how to code we would already have it since every Moto Z / Z Force has 3 of the quadrooter vulnerabilities. If you want screenshots of which ones and their details let me know :3
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As far as gaining root access, if I knew how to code we would already have it since every Moto Z / Z Force has 3 of the quadrooter vulnerabilities.
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That's a bold statement...
Do you have a development background? I wasn't sure from your first post and your last one.
Not well enough to attempt any of these vulnerabilities on my own. Each of the three vulnerabilities allows users to access root privilege on the device without the device being rooted.
I'll put the three vulnerabilities here.
1. https://www.codeaurora.org/invalid-path-check-ashmem-memory-file-cve-2016-5340.
2 and 3. https://www.codeaurora.org/use-afte...tions-kgsl-module-cve-2016-2504-cve-2016-2503
2 and 3 both are very similar, hence the reason for one URL.
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Been messing around with my development kit. Good chance of a bootloader unlock and root with this. Bad news is its going to be over $125 for you to get the dev kit. But I think I might be on to something. Won't go into details on here because we all know Verizon watches for stuff like this.
Still gathering more info before I test anything since this is my daily driver. I'll start work when I get my back up phone.
Method will require a dev kit and a PC. So it's not going to be something you can just plug into your PC
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Been messing around with my development kit. Good chance of a bootloader unlock and root with this. Bad news is its going to be over $125 for you to get the dev kit. But I think I might be on to something. Won't go into details on here because we all know Verizon watches for stuff like this.
Still gathering more info before I test anything since this is my daily driver. I'll start work when I get my back up phone.
Method will require a dev kit and a PC. So it's not going to be something you can just plug into your PC
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This sounds very promising! I've been doing a bit of research and I have a much broader understanding of how gaining root access is accomplished, but not necessarily the bootloader.
I can save up some money and grab a dev kit as well if you want another set of hands on this.
If you need my email let me know, but i've been messing around with some of the exploits and once i get back home (hooray for IT job) i'm going to try out the system-less root, then go from there.
Good findings, and I believe you're on the right track! I read up on what the mods can access and control on the Android system and I'm actually impressed by what it can access and do. Heck, maybe we can even get a script going to utilize most moto mods to allow access to certain areas that we need, aside from the extra battery. I doubt that one will allow any kind of unintended access to areas of the phone. :silly:
If I can grab any kind of root access, would images be helpful to the much smarter people here?
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This sounds very promising! I've been doing a bit of research and I have a much broader understanding of how gaining root access is accomplished, but not necessarily the bootloader.
I can save up some money and grab a dev kit as well if you want another set of hands on this.
If you need my email let me know, but i've been messing around with some of the exploits and once i get back home (hooray for IT job) i'm going to try out the system-less root, then go from there.
Good findings, and I believe you're on the right track! I read up on what the mods can access and control on the Android system and I'm actually impressed by what it can access and do. Heck, maybe we can even get a script going to utilize most moto mods to allow access to certain areas that we need, aside from the extra battery. I doubt that one will allow any kind of unintended access to areas of the phone. :silly:
If I can grab any kind of root access, would images be helpful to the much smarter people here?
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I figured the system for the mods would be the easiest way in. Working on a mod with my dev kit after that I'm going to start messing around more with seeing what I can do. There has to be something in here. First phone to use them first version of moto mods. There is somthing
Good chance root may happen tonight. Meet more work on it. But it won't be something everyone can do. Will require aoto mod dev kit and a fair amount of work. But if I can get it working tonight there seems to be some hope.
in4updates. Great work and keep it up! Only reason I want root is for new emojis haha. I will most likely unroot once 7.0 releases (assuming we get root before we get 7.0)
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Good chance root may happen tonight. Meet more work on it. But it won't be something everyone can do. Will require aoto mod dev kit and a fair amount of work. But if I can get it working tonight there seems to be some hope.
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Please don't break my heart.
Me either.. just got moto z force today ..Will speaker ,projector,battery wireless mod ..and a couple backs...But boy root and Roms would be a bonus...
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Nevermind project scrapped.
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The method i used 99% of the people here will not be able to do. Requires a moto mod dev kit and some other stuff. I'll work on getting the getting the bootloader from the non Verizon version on it when i get it. As of right now im back to working on my Moto mod so it will be a week or two before i go back to this.
Progress will be very slow. This is my only phone i sold my 6p so i cant do anything to risky on this. I got some ideas on working out a cheaper version. Drop the price of hardware needed from $200+ to $80.
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this photo looks shopped, poorly as well
bignazpwns said:
Been messing around with my development kit. Good chance of a bootloader unlock and root with this. Bad news is its going to be over $125 for you to get the dev kit. But I think I might be on to something. Won't go into details on here because we all know Verizon watches for stuff like this.
Still gathering more info before I test anything since this is my daily driver. I'll start work when I get my back up phone.
Method will require a dev kit and a PC. So it's not going to be something you can just plug into your PC
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Where can I get my hands on this kit?
bignazpwns said:
Nevermind project scrapped.
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lol why? because you got caught?