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Hi guys,
As you can tell by my username, I am completely new to Android, and naturally to hacking it! Currently I have a stock hero, and and contemplating rooting and flashing it, although I'm having some reservations. While this is my first post, I have been lurking and reading the forums for 2 or 3 weeks now since Damage got a hold of the first Sprint leak. While the whole process looks pretty simple, I have seen how random many of the problems, such as the audio issue are. Some people seem to have no problems, while others have a s#!tstorm of them.
I am not normally one to fix things that aren't broken, and (knock on wood) I haven't really had any of the issues others with stock phones have had. I have never once had a problem with sending or receiving MMS, and most of the lag and quirkiness I am able to live with. On the flip side of that coin, I have read up on Google's Android dev pages all of the changes and enhancements made in 1.6 and 2.0, and am itching to get them on my phone. Like a lot of other people, I am eagerly awaiting Sprint's official release, but am not holding much hope that it will be here this month.
In any event, since I registered I figured I would just say "Hi," while I decide what to do (becoming impatient waiting for the official) and hope that the novel I just wrote hasn't bored anyone to death
Eric

noobmodder said:
Hi guys,
As you can tell by my username, I am completely new to Android, and naturally to hacking it! Currently I have a stock hero, and and contemplating rooting and flashing it, although I'm having some reservations. While this is my first post, I have been lurking and reading the forums for 2 or 3 weeks now since Damage got a hold of the first Sprint leak. While the whole process looks pretty simple, I have seen how random many of the problems, such as the audio issue are. Some people seem to have no problems, while others have a s#!tstorm of them.
I am not normally one to fix things that aren't broken, and (knock on wood) I haven't really had any of the issues others with stock phones have had. I have never once had a problem with sending or receiving MMS, and most of the lag and quirkiness I am able to live with. On the flip side of that coin, I have read up on Google's Android dev pages all of the changes and enhancements made in 1.6 and 2.0, and am itching to get them on my phone. Like a lot of other people, I am eagerly awaiting Sprint's official release, but am not holding much hope that it will be here this month.
In any event, since I registered I figured I would just say "Hi," while I decide what to do (becoming impatient waiting for the official) and hope that the novel I just wrote hasn't bored anyone to death
Eric
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Hi there
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Well... here's your greeting to you:
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I'm just kidding. Welcome, welcome. If you need help, there are plenty of people here knowledgeable enough to help you in anyway. Just make sure you use the SEARCH button thoroughly!
Otherwise, cya around.

welcome in!
welcome aboard! its really not hard to root and try new roms. i would recommend rooting and backing up then trying a stable 1.5 rom like fresh, do a nandroid back up of it then dive into the 2.1 roms. you can always go back to a nandroid back up if you ave issues. read as much as you can first.
i flashed over to the newest fresh with pri=170_03 and prl=60663 and havent had any issues. nothing works quite perfectly (very, very minor issues) but then again stock doesnt either (as you have noticed and commented on).
dip your toes in and have a go. it is worth it. the devs here have done a fantastic job.
cheers,
ryan

Frankly, I see no harm in at least TRYING a custom 2.1 ROM out, since during the process of initially rooting, you are told to do a "nandroid" backup. With that backup, you can go back to the stock ROM should you have unbearable problems with a custom one. (or if you just don't like them..)
It should be noted that when the OFFICIAL 2.1 drops, theres a very good chance that they will have patched the root exploit, leaving you with the stock sprint rom (and bloatware)
My suggestion is this.. Test out a few of the custom roms.. Fresh 2.0d and Damagecontrol 2.06 are great places to start.. If you don't like them, go back to your 1.5 stock or a 1.5 custom rom, and wait for the official 2.1 and a custom rom based off of that..
Just my two cents.

When did this forum become "xda-developers-personals.com"?

Welcome Noobmodder, you will come to enjoy the excellent resources this forum has to offer. Beware though, it could be detrimental to your personal relationships as flashing and modding can be as addictive as drinking and gambling! lol

Speaking of, I've been meaning to say this to you troy..
I don't know what Troy you are speaking of, but my fiance is from Troy, Tn.. So you probably know each other if that's what your troy means... Because from all that I've seen, there's not too many people out that way..lol..

Thanks for the welcome! The main reason I am a little nervous about the whole process is the hero is my only Sprint phone, so I don't have a backup phone if this one gets messed up, nor can I afford one at the moment. But, it's just a phone after all, so I think I'm gonna go for it. I am gonna try DC 2.06, or see what RegawMOD 2.1 has in store for us a little later this evening.
Thanks in advance for any help! We'll see how this goes!

Welcome to the party!!
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Speaking of, I've been meaning to say this to you troy..
I don't know what Troy you are speaking of, but my fiance is from Troy, Tn.. So you probably know each other if that's what your troy means... Because from all that I've seen, there's not too many people out that way..lol..
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Troy is actually my first name and I live in Knoxville, TN (eastern state). I believe, Troy is near UT Martin if I recall correctly (west TN). Nice area.

noobmodder said:
Thanks for the welcome! The main reason I am a little nervous about the whole process is the hero is my only Sprint phone, so I don't have a backup phone if this one gets messed up, nor can I afford one at the moment. But, it's just a phone after all, so I think I'm gonna go for it. I am gonna try DC 2.06, or see what RegawMOD 2.1 has in store for us a little later this evening.
Thanks in advance for any help! We'll see how this goes!
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Basically, once you have a recovery image flashed, and a nandroid of your stock rom, there really isn't much to worry about (as far as a brick goes)
Flash away!

Let us know if you need any help. If you have been lurking for a couple of weeks you probably won't have any issues rooting and flashing, but just the same let us know if you do run into any problems.
If you have not rooted yet I recommend using Fresh's kitchen.
Here's the link.
http://geekfor.me/new-release/fresh-pre-kitchen-02

noobmodder said:
Thanks for the welcome! The main reason I am a little nervous about the whole process is the hero is my only Sprint phone, so I don't have a backup phone if this one gets messed up, nor can I afford one at the moment. But, it's just a phone after all, so I think I'm gonna go for it. I am gonna try DC 2.06, or see what RegawMOD 2.1 has in store for us a little later this evening.
Thanks in advance for any help! We'll see how this goes!
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Modding is not a spectator sport. You need to decide if you want to get your hands dirty because staying on the bleachers you won't see much
Just make sure you keep reading everything you can find on this forum until you feel comfortable giving it a shot. If there's something you don't understand or something that's bothering you then hold off. It's better to approach modding your phone with full confidence and some knowledge under your belt then find yourself on your knees begging for mercy from Sprint's local customer service czar.

Ok guys!
Just rooted and flashed DC 2.06 and I have a question. Does this version of DC still need the CDMA Auto PRL setting changed like in the past?

noobmodder said:
Ok guys!
Just rooted and flashed DC 2.06 and I have a question. Does this version of DC still need the CDMA Auto PRL setting changed like in the past?
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I've been monitoring this for a while, and with both Flipz's .03 radio and his .10 radio, I haven't needed to change it. Of course, this is with mulitple restarts thanks to the audio bug.

Disregard this post

It's pretty hard to brick your phone, unless you flash a radio.img incorrectly. Like I said, there's plenty of people that are experienced enough with Android to help you out. Not to mention, almost any errors you encounter will mostly already be documented and have solutions.

Returning the Atrix tonight.

Many of you called me a baby after half the features out of the Atrix's box did not work. Here are some of the problems:
Internet problems. Oh god, so many internet problems.
1) Hemorrhaging data with WiFi on. Why is this even possible? There were four programs I had to change in order not to use my regular Data plan. That's three too much. "Why bother to get the Atrix if you don't want to learn how to customize and set things?"
I literally had to hunt down the things that were not using WiFI when connected to my home WiFi. If the Android OS is like this, I literally do not want it. If you are connected to WiFi there should be NO option to ever use regular data because it's ****ing common sense. I mean I was using 50 MB/DAY when I was using 50 MB/MONTH on my iPhone. What programs were doing this? Not FB, since I have no apps installed.
2) EMail won't work. And by won't work, I don't mean that problem I had with no TLS option from Motorola that prevented my school email from working with the default app requiring me to use another app to manage my gmail and email. I mean that it won't ****ing work. Gmail won't load, Gtalk won't load (LITERALLY WILL NOT LOAD EVEN ON WIFI) and it won't refresh. I got it to work on the first day and then after that forget it. I sent test emails from three different accounts. I would get them 2, 3, 4 hours later - NEW EMAIL! Not in inbox. Just new email notification. Installed another email app after rooting. Won't load. Just refreshes 24/7 until I force close, then restart application. "Why not just push it to your gmail?" I like to keep my school and personal gmail separated. God forbid I want that.
3) lmfao at design. Power button on back. I installed volume rockers. Phone is hilariously bad at this point when you have to mod it so it can turn on like regular phones (flat on a table).
4) internet speeds:
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Is there any argument for this at all? There shouldn't be. "Oh my Atrix is slow too!" No. You don't know slow. That above is SLOW.
All in all, this was a horrible, horrible first foray into Android. I know some people are going to say, Why bother get a customizable phone if you're going to ***** and whine and be a baby about not wanting to customize things?
I draw the analogy at Windows PC = Android phone. Windows PCs work fine right out of the box, you can use it right out of the box without having to download a thousand things. Sure, you CAN customize it, but the machine should work. For me, this was not the case. It took two days of rooted customization and it STILL doesn't work.
So what, just go back to the iPhone? I was looking for the Android as the way out of the monotonous iPhone. But it does work for me. I like to customize things, but when it comes to downloading app after app after app to get it to work minimally like I want it to? Done.

And I'm home! The guy was incredibly cool. Good luck Atrix users!

pfaction said:
And I'm home! The guy was incredibly cool. Good luck Atrix users!
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Sorry the device didn't work for you. Glad to see you tried though.
Out of curiosity, what are you going to next?

I had my eyes on the Samsung Galaxy II S, assuming it comes to AT&T. But I am going to be XXXXXXX. I am going to go to the store, and ask to mess with it for no less than 1 hour. If school email loads, speed test apps are decent, and assuming school WiFi works without taking 2 hours, then I don't see why not. The Atrix looked good when I could use it for the 20 minutes that I did.
But in the event that I just ****ing hate Android, looks like it's the iPhone 4_ in the summer for me. I get my upgrade back in 2 days and my 3G is more than kickin' it and I can wait a few months because my phone works the way I want it to. I'm not the biggest Apple fan but if it works, it works.

Happy you are now happy with your phone - Could you watch the language please? Read the forum rules...

Oops, sorry. I was just so frustrated but now I'm decently happy.

pfaction said:
I had my eyes on the Samsung Galaxy II S, assuming it comes to AT&T. But I am going to be XXXXXXX. I am going to go to the store, and ask to mess with it for no less than 1 hour. If school email loads, speed test apps are decent, and assuming school WiFi works without taking 2 hours, then I don't see why not. The Atrix looked good when I could use it for the 20 minutes that I did.
But in the event that I just ****ing hate Android, looks like it's the iPhone 4_ in the summer for me. I get my upgrade back in 2 days and my 3G is more than kickin' it and I can wait a few months because my phone works the way I want it to. I'm not the biggest Apple fan but if it works, it works.
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Just a thought
Please don't get the Samsung Galaxy II S, at least not right at release. Think about a phone that's been out on the market for a while and has a lot of the bugs and issues worked out.

pfaction said:
I had my eyes on the Samsung Galaxy II S, assuming it comes to AT&T. But I am going to be XXXXXXX. I am going to go to the store, and ask to mess with it for no less than 1 hour. If school email loads, speed test apps are decent, and assuming school WiFi works without taking 2 hours, then I don't see why not. The Atrix looked good when I could use it for the 20 minutes that I did.
But in the event that I just ****ing hate Android, looks like it's the iPhone 4_ in the summer for me. I get my upgrade back in 2 days and my 3G is more than kickin' it and I can wait a few months because my phone works the way I want it to. I'm not the biggest Apple fan but if it works, it works.
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Why are you going to a galaxy s 2? Most of your complaints are with android not the atrix. The 'phantom data' your talking about is probably just a sleep setting with your wifi, the power button was necessary for the fingerprint scanner (which works awesomely). Your just an average iPhone user, your phone has to do everything for you, and you hate choices. Enjoy mediocrity.

link12245 said:
Why are you going to a galaxy s 2? Most of your complaints are with android not the atrix. The 'phantom data' your talking about is probably just a sleep setting with your wifi, the power button was necessary for the fingerprint scanner (which works awesomely). Your just an average iPhone user, your phone has to do everything for you, and you hate choices. Enjoy mediocrity.
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Hahahaha, do what he said

so i am curious to know.. if i return my atrix is inspire 4g the way to go.. ?

The inspire has its own issues. Bad/mediocre battery life is a major one. Although a plus is its currently running at 1.8 ghz, and its got cm support which the atrix will probably never get.

Yeah, I'm with the other people that you should go back to iPhone. I think your first two issues were with Android in general, as you so erroneously analogized Android with Windows since it's more like Unix than anything else.
Android definitely requires a lot of set up. I would even have to agree that the menu options seems somewhat disorganized, especially with the "hidden" menu button options when you're ALREADY IN THE MENU.

Please go back to papa steve
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isn't it too late to get iPhone 4 now?? i think at&t does not have various android options like Verizon does... which bothers me.. i mean At&t gets inspire4g where as Verizon gets the better version that is Thunderbolt.. I don't get it.. i thunderbolt came to At&t i wouldn't think about anything and just get that one.. it has all the features and its awesome looking... Inspire on the other hand is just like the Desire HD.. still HTC sense is beasty...
I mean I wanna know whether most of the people who are returning their Atrix.. what are they going for instead.. are they still sticking with At&t or changing to another phone... which i don't see much options other than Aria, iPhone, Inspire, few Blackberry and the extreme late comer Windows phone 7?

anirudh15891 said:
isn't it too late to get iPhone 4 now?? i think at&t does not have various android options like Verizon does... which bothers me.. i mean At&t gets inspire4g where as Verizon gets the better version that is Thunderbolt.. I don't get it.. i thunderbolt came to At&t i wouldn't think about anything and just get that one.. it has all the features and its awesome looking... Inspire on the other hand is just like the Desire HD.. still HTC sense is beasty...
I mean I wanna know whether most of the people who are returning their Atrix.. what are they going for instead.. are they still sticking with At&t or changing to another phone... which i don't see much options other than Aria, iPhone, Inspire, few Blackberry and the extreme late comer Windows phone 7?
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If people are complaining about Inspire battery life just wait for the Thunderbolt battery life.
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pfaction said:
I had my eyes on the Samsung Galaxy II S, assuming it comes to AT&T. But I am going to be XXXXXXX. I am going to go to the store, and ask to mess with it for no less than 1 hour. If school email loads, speed test apps are decent, and assuming school WiFi works without taking 2 hours, then I don't see why not. The Atrix looked good when I could use it for the 20 minutes that I did.
But in the event that I just ****ing hate Android, looks like it's the iPhone 4_ in the summer for me. I get my upgrade back in 2 days and my 3G is more than kickin' it and I can wait a few months because my phone works the way I want it to. I'm not the biggest Apple fan but if it works, it works.
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If you thought the atrix was bad, then you definitely don't want Samsung, they are the worst android phone manufacturer. Don't ever expect an update with them and if you get one it will probably brick your phone. The only thing that's made my Samsung vibrant worthwhile is the amazing developer community who has made the phone 1000 times better than Samsung's software development team.
End of rant.
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yea heard its gonna be awful as well.. in fact they delayed the release cause the battery was just awful.. well aside that at least it is quite current compared to the inspire.. i mean there is much difference but still it looks and i am guess would feel better.. also it has front facing camera which is not a big deal in general but at least it is included for future use ..maybe. and it has a kick stand.
BTW is it too late now to go for EVO 4g?

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If people are complaining about Inspire battery life just wait for the Thunderbolt battery life.
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since you have a desire.. hows the battery life in yours? does it at least last a day or a bit less than that? cause isn't it based the same for the inspire./..
the thing is i initially returned my inspire cause i wanted a better spec phone .. and i thought the Atrix would get rooted soon and also the bootloader will get unlocked.. but after spending days on these forums it doesn't look like anything is gonna happen with the bootloader.. obviously it is good to wait.. i guess.. for another 22 days for me..lol but now i am thinking to return this device and getting the inspire back... ..
no idea what to do..

"re upgrade"
i got a general question.. for AT&T can i get my upgrade possibility back? like return the phone and get my upgrade back instead of using it for another device.. will i definitely get the upgrade back? Kinda new to AT&T so.. not sure

anirudh15891 said:
i got a general question.. for AT&T can i get my upgrade possibility back? like return the phone and get my upgrade back instead of using it for another device.. will i definitely get the upgrade back? Kinda new to AT&T so.. not sure
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You should be able to, but from my past experience, I've always had to contact CSR (just a hassle) . You should also make sure they roll back your contract.

[Q] [q] why are people unrooting??

I have been reading several forums, and it seems that quite a few people are in a hurry to unroot their phones in order to download the latest OTA update from HTC.
WHY WOULD YOU EVER WANT TO UNROOT JUST TO DOWNLOAD THE LATEST OTA ??
Why would you want to risk breaking your root, possibly permantly, just to install an update that is basically the same as the previous one and is going to bring some bugs with it? From what I am reading, the new update is not all that wonderful.
One of the purposes of any HTC OTA update is to break as many roots as possible and to patch the phones so that they cannot be rooted. And, if the bootloader is locked, which several people claim it is, your phone may never be rooted again, at least not perm rooted.
IF YOUR ROOT IS KILLED, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE FLASH YOUR FAVORITE LOOKING CUSTOM ROMS, YOUR CUSTOM ROM THAT MAKES YOUR PHONE RUN SO MUCH FASTER, THAT CUSTOM ROM THATS GIVING YOU THAT GREAT BATTERY LIFE,...
IF YOUR ROOT IS KILLED, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CONTROL YOUR PHONE'S CPU, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO RESTORE THAT BACKUP, THAT POSSIBLY SAVED YOUR PHONE, YOU WILL NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THAT FREE WIFI TETHERING, YOU WILL NOT BE ALBE TO DELETE THOSE UNWANTED APPS THAT ARE WASTING STORAGE SPACE ON YOUR PHONE, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO FREEZE ALL THOSE SERVICES THAT YOUR TASKMANAGER CANNOT TOUCH THAT ARE KILLING YOUR BATTERY,...
Sorry I wrote a book here, but it makes no sense to me. If you want to try Android 2.3, why not just download the rooted version and maintain your root along with its many advantages?

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I have been reading several forums, and it seems that quite a few people are in a hurry to unroot their phones in order to download the latest OTA update from HTC.
WHY WOULD YOU EVER WANT TO UNROOT JUST TO DOWNLOAD THE LATEST OTA ??
Why would you want to risk breaking your root, possibly permantly, just to install an update that is basically the same as the previous one and is going to bring some bugs with it? From what I am reading, the new update is not all that wonderful.
One of the purposes of any HTC OTA update is to break as many roots as possible and to patch the phones so that they cannot be rooted. And, if the bootloader is locked, which several people claim it is, your phone may never be rooted again, at least not perm rooted.
IF YOUR ROOT IS KILLED, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE FLASH YOUR FAVORITE LOOKING CUSTOM ROMS, YOUR CUSTOM ROM THAT MAKES YOUR PHONE RUN SO MUCH FASTER, THAT CUSTOM ROM THATS GIVING YOU THAT GREAT BATTERY LIFE,...
IF YOUR ROOT IS KILLED, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CONTROL YOUR PHONE'S CPU, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO RESTORE THAT BACKUP, THAT POSSIBLY SAVED YOUR PHONE, YOU WILL NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THAT FREE WIFI TETHERING, YOU WILL NOT BE ALBE TO DELETE THOSE UNWANTED APPS THAT ARE WASTING STORAGE SPACE ON YOUR PHONE, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO FREEZE ALL THOSE SERVICES THAT YOUR TASKMANAGER CANNOT TOUCH THAT ARE KILLING YOUR BATTERY,...
Sorry I wrote a book here, but it makes no sense to me. If you want to try Android 2.3, why not just download the rooted version and maintain your root along with its many advantages?
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I just answered a post in another thread about this .... people are out of their effin minds especially when the software is out there already and has been for a while... Hey there a million what do I do posts and people getting flamed and the sensitive ones going stop doing that... Hey you stupid enough to update your phone OTA f-it you deserve what you get. forum is here to educated and help and if you dont want to use that help then you get what you deserve... Dont mean to be a **** but I guess for some you will feel that I am oh well

A lot of us unrooted prior to the update because we were expecting a hell of alot more than what we were given. I could have waited for one of the devs to give us a rooted version but it's like being given a present and told not to open it till tomorrow. Had I known the specifics of the update I definitely would have waited. All in all not a big deal though, they'll figure out how to root this soon until then I'll just piss and moan about this half ass update.
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I didn't get a choice, my phone died after flashing the new radio. When i got my replaced it had the latest ota already installed. Also went from Hardware 003 to 004. Guess I now have to give up flashing cold turkey

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A lot of us unrooted prior to the update because we were expecting a hell of alot more than what we were given. I could have waited for one of the devs to give us a rooted version but it's like being given a present and told not to open it till tomorrow. Had I known the specifics of the update I definitely would have waited. All in all not a big deal though, they'll figure out how to root this soon until then I'll just piss and moan about this half ass update.
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Within the same day a rooted version was out.
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Do we really need a thread to explain the obvious? People are just impatient and stupid.

Yup but I felt the need to get let down a few hours sooner. But I will say I knew in advance that it would more than likely screw my chance to root for a while. I made my own bed no need for me to come on here and whine about it like I see a lot of others doing.
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Do we really need a thread to explain the obvious? People are just impatient and stupid.
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The purpose of this thread was to discourage the next person from making the same mistake that others made, because people right now are still desperate to get the update by any means necessary.

wgallt said:
Yup but I felt the need to get let down a few hours sooner. But I will say I knew in advance that it would more than likely screw my chance to root for a while. I made my own bed no need for me to come on here and whine about it like I see a lot of others doing.
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When you do that, you run that chance of an exploit never being found. That may very well be the case if you have S-ON.

The dissapointment in the leaked OTA wasn't enough to dissuade people i guess.

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The purpose of this thread was to discourage the next person from making the same mistake that others made, because people right now are still desperate to get the update by any means necessary.
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If they come to xda then what in the blue help makes you think they will miss the stock odex Rom in the dev section?
If they come here for help then they already know better.
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If they come to xda then what in the blue help makes you think they will miss the stock odex Rom in the dev section?
If they come here for help then they already know better.
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I agree fully with this statement but like I said the leaked version has been out for like a month already... no guarantees they can fix the new bootloader... I know better though lol
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Impatience

I unrooted because there was no reason for me to be rooted. The only benefit of rooting for me was to have the free wifi tethering.
When my wife did the latest OTA update she was getting 4g in places I didn't get it. Her phone was also downloading on 4g at 10 megs down using the speedtest.net app. With multiple roms I have never gotten above 2 megs down, when I unrooted and went stock I was getting faster and better 4g.
Every Rom I installed was buggy, So if I am going to deal with roms that don't work or take away features or burn your eyes in the dark I would rather just deal with the stock sprint phone. I am also fortunate enough to be able to afford the hotspot service from sprint so I would rather pay for reliable fast service.
These are the reasons I unrooted. I understand that everyone has their own reasons for what they do with their devices and I respect them please respect mine. I am just answering the question that was asked in this post.

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If they come to xda then what in the blue help makes you think they will miss the stock odex Rom in the dev section?
If they come here for help then they already know better.
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Well, people HAVE missed it, and yes, they SHOULD know better. However, some need more help than others.

I was tempted but I knew someone that was stock and I let him go first. I also knew everyone would be posting here. I now run the rooted Rom put out the same day the ota was released. Thank god I held on to my senses and waited for it.
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I'm not unrooting anytime soon. Couple of reasons.
1.The big one is I'm not a huge fan of Sense.
2.All the bloatware that comes on the stock rom that slows it down, and takes up room.
3.For my battery!!!!

unrooted
Unrooted, tried out stock Gingerbread, rooted it again with rooting hormones.
It's not that "hard"...

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Quick trick to get OTA Jellybean

Not sure if this is where this goes but this worked for me on 3 Nexus S 4G's today..
All of them on different accounts. One is flashed to MetroPCS and still get's Jellybean love!
Remember it will not work right away, just when your sick of doing it BAM..
One phone i tried for 2 hours and nothing..Then just before my friend left my house i tried once more and it worked..
If this does not work for you,well, at least i gave you something to do while you were bored!
But i swear it worked on 3 phones today!
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Open the Settings application.
Select Apps.
Select the All drawer, and select Google Service Frameworks.
First, Force Stop the application, then Clear Data.
Now that the Google Service Frameworks are reset, you may check for an update, by selecting About Phone in Settings, and select System Update.
**The last update check should be garbled. Around 1969.**
--------------->If this did not work, try these steps several times. This is important, IT MAY TAKE SEVERAL TRIES BEFORE A RESULT.
Give a thanks if it works for you and reply back with results..
Enjoy
** Not sure about this breaking push notification on apps?
First I heard of this. I guess try at your own risk but my wife's Nexus S 4G seems to be working great after using this method.
## Maybe try to back up apps that use push notifications with Titanium Backup and reinstall after if u have any issues.
Just a thought not sure if that will help!

TONYSALEM78 said:
Not sure if this is where this goes but this worked for me on 3 Nexus S 4G's today..
All of them on different accounts. One is flashed to MetroPCS and still get's Jellybean love!
Remember it will not work right away, just when your sick of doing it BAM..
One phone i tried for 2 hours and nothing..Then just before my friend left my house i tried once more and it worked..
If this does not work for you,well, at least i gave you something to do while you were bored!
But i swear it worked on 3 phones today!
================================================== =============================
Open the Settings application.
Select Apps.
Select the All drawer, and select Google Service Frameworks.
First, Force Stop the application, then Clear Data.
Now that the Google Service Frameworks are reset, you may check for an update, by selecting About Phone in Settings, and select System Update.
**The last update check should be garbled. Around 1969.**
--------------->If this did not work, try these steps several times. This is important, IT MAY TAKE SEVERAL TRIES BEFORE A RESULT.
Give a thanks if it works for you and reply back with results..
Enjoy
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I thought this broke the push notification on apps that use push, no?

I decided that I could resolve the push if need be and went ahead and tried this again (did it previously on other updates). Tried about five times, walked away for about 15 minutes. Tried again and it worked. Update is downloading now.

Cool. Glad its working for people! Enjoy
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Thanks man it works!
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So, I just switched to the NS4G from my ET4G because it's been having some hardware issues (Not really relevant for this, but figured I would introduce myself to the Nexus S community this way haha...)
This is what worked for me:
*Force Stop Google Services Framework
*Clear Data On Google Services Framework
*Wait about 5 minutes
*Checked for updates
I did it 1 time, and it worked for me. Not too sure if it'll work that way for everyone, but I believe it's def worth trying.

didnt force stop at all but clear framework and checked now, didnt work.
Read your post, cleared data,
waited 5 mins.
checked and now update.
Thanks file size 121.6mb

ok, so this means only one thing could be possible...Sprint lied to us. they told us the update would start the 6th, but it didn't start until yesterday. I can't count how many posts I saw from people who tried this and it didn't work...now, miraculously, it starts working when we know it's out?!?!?!?!
Look at the facts, people!! Sprint lied to us and the update did not start the 6th like they said. if it had, this would have worked on sept 6th, and would not just magically start working on sept 10th!

This worked. I'm on jellybean now. It took over 26 attempts. No joke. But so worth it.
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Sprint didn't lie they said this is a two part roll out starting the 6th the galaxy nexus got its first then us look at the facts they still have a few days before some people will get it and they didn't even have to bring it out for our phone oh and download supersu and flash it thru recovery for root and air kernel r1 works with this
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Flashable .zip
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31430372#post31430372

So question for the New Jelly Bean update... Teamviewer came out with there Quicksuppprt app. It says it only works on Stock firmware, Non modded. It works on Stock ICS but doesnt work on Stock JellyBean. Is any one else having this problem. Im not sure if its because i flashed Jellybean via ODIN yesterday since i didnt want to wait for the OTA to get pushed or is it just the fact that it doesnt work on JellyBean NS4g's yet
Also im rooted, forgot to try before i rooted my device :/
Can anyone who waited for the OTA to get pushed to there phone confirm or not if they are able to Download and install "TeamViewer QuickSupport" to there Jellybean NS4g device
Thanks and much appreciated

shrekdaklown said:
Sprint didn't lie they said this is a two part roll out starting the 6th the galaxy nexus got its first then us look at the facts they still have a few days before some people will get it and they didn't even have to bring it out for our phone oh and download supersu and flash it thru recovery for root and air kernel r1 works with this
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are you kidding??
1. they never said it's a two-part update. they said updates would start the 6th...nothing about two parts. even the reps I spoke with said I should have had it already!! The funny thing is, not even two hours after I complained (and openly admitted to having looked on XDA for it and it wasn't out yet) people started getting the OTA. That's pretty coincidental, no?
2. they owed us an update. we are nexus owners. we get every update until the hardware can't run the firmware. If they don't like that, they can choose to stop selling the nexus line...there's the door. If it's a phone that's only on one carrier and the carrier doesn't update, google should step in and release the factory image immediately. Now don't take what I'm saying the wrong way. I don't mean they LEGALLY owe us an update. I mean since we own a development device, they would be pretty stupid to turn their backs on us....many of us have given google a percentage of the code used in final release versions of android. If they turn their backs on those people, they will be pretty screwed. They use quite a few features from roms that were here before google ever had the idea to do that. For example, swipe to clear notifications...that came from CM team. It sure as HELL wasn't google's baby, that's for sure!! That's why I say they owe us an update. Whether any one of us has personally contributed code or not, we have still contributed to the android project by testing the code that the developers here contributed to android.

if they are releasing a rom for two phones it wont be a single wave the galaxy nexus owners got it first because they bought the newer phones and when we bought our nexus s's they never said they would update it forever we are lucky we got it they could have been like nope you have to be a galaxy nexus and honestly we are lucky because most companys would have made us upgrade to get it or make our own i was right beside you waiting for the update and as soon as i had the image files on here i odin'ed them to my phone most sprint reps have no idea whats going on with roms and such but i know i count myself lucky to have a phone like this and not be stuck like i was with my evo shift alot of companys owe us for bettering there product but how many actually pay

wifi
Tried this using 3g or 4g all day and nothing, then tried with wifi and if worked like a charm the 1st time i tried, dont know why it worked out this way, but to those for which this method is not working when connected to 3g or 4g try using this method while connected to wifi, it might just work as it did for me.

Doing the checkin CMD does nothing but the same thing as going through the settings about phone and clicking system update..
Haven't tried this method yet.. May try soon..
Hopefully that OTA hits my way some time soon..

I forgot to add that I was on Wifi also...
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GrimReaper24 said:
Doing the checkin CMD does nothing but the same thing as going through the settings about phone and clicking system update..
Haven't tried this method yet.. May try soon..
Hopefully that OTA hits my way some time soon..
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Make sure your on wifi and you remove or delete Google services framework data in settings...apps. it took me over 26 times before it worked. I'm happily running stock jellybean
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk 2

hp420 said:
are you kidding??
1. they never said it's a two-part update. they said updates would start the 6th...nothing about two parts. even the reps I spoke with said I should have had it already!! The funny thing is, not even two hours after I complained (and openly admitted to having looked on XDA for it and it wasn't out yet) people started getting the OTA. That's pretty coincidental, no?
2. they owed us an update. we are nexus owners. we get every update until the hardware can't run the firmware. If they don't like that, they can choose to stop selling the nexus line...there's the door. If it's a phone that's only on one carrier and the carrier doesn't update, google should step in and release the factory image immediately. Now don't take what I'm saying the wrong way. I don't mean they LEGALLY owe us an update. I mean since we own a development device, they would be pretty stupid to turn their backs on us....many of us have given google a percentage of the code used in final release versions of android. If they turn their backs on those people, they will be pretty screwed. They use quite a few features from roms that were here before google ever had the idea to do that. For example, swipe to clear notifications...that came from CM team. It sure as HELL wasn't google's baby, that's for sure!! That's why I say they owe us an update. Whether any one of us has personally contributed code or not, we have still contributed to the android project by testing the code that the developers here contributed to android.
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Sprint stores had the file so people who had a replacement or a friend inside could of got the update on the 7th.
Sprint never said it was a two part update, but they said it would be a slow rollout for ns4g not gnex, over 8 days between which leaves you to believe the first half would be gnex, second half ns4g. Gonzo posted the files he got at the service center hours before anyone got the OTA link posted so the files were out since the 6th for both phones. SO my point is big deal it was only 4 days. Better than 4 months for ICS and deff better then whats going on over at verizon. Sprint told the truth. Not all reps know the facts. I worked for target and it doesnt mean i knew when we were getting new shipments of products. You should be mad that Sprint didnt explain the process but OTA 4 days later is better than no OTA.
Hopefully, you didnt quit your job or something like that to get the update on the 6th because thats your fault.
but cheer up, you have it now. Play around with the smoothness and yell out "I CANT BELIEVE IT'S NOT BUTTER!!!"

I have been trying to get this to work the last couple of days with no success.
Would having an unlocked bootloader prevent me from getting the OTA? If so, how do I lock the bootloader only?

Got my Note 4 Today :)

I got my Note 4 Today! I love it already. Once I get my old phone official transferred to a family a member I think I'm going to root her. But first I wnated to know whats the process for rooting? And is it possible to unroot without signs its been rooted in case I need to send it for repairs? Thanks

My advice, start reading a little. I think I have seen your questions answered before?

gravatrax1 said:
I got my Note 4 Today! I love it already. Once I get my old phone official transferred to a family a member I think I'm going to root her. But first I wnated to know whats the process for rooting? And is it possible to unroot without signs its been rooted in case I need to send it for repairs? Thanks
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There are many tutorial here on XDA about rooting, flashing etc.Read carefully and you'll be good to go.Also there is a section for question(Help&Troubleshooting), this is the general forum section, make sure where you post next.

Ah, cut him some slack, he's just excited he got a new phone!
But yes, you should do some reading before you do anything as drastic as modifying system files. There are tutorials and that will guide you through the process and a lot of threads discussing issues such as unrooting and warranty. Good luck!

As of right now, there is no known method to reset value of knox to default once rooted. Hopefully, someone will come up with a to root it without tripping knox or a way to reset the knox to default value. I also recently got my Note 4 and weighing in on whether I should root it or not.

I'm familiar with rooting and it's risks. I've rooted other devices. I just didn't want to dive headfirst into rooting this phone if I was not able to get it back to stock with no evidence of tampering. I have total equipment protection which covers any physical damage to the phone, and its come in handy in the past with devices that hav enot been rooted. I don't eve recall them doing anything at the store to check for modications to the software. Ultimately I plan on just rooting the device nad installing SU to get rid of bloatware and used some Xposed modules, no flashing of custom roms or anything.

gravatrax1 said:
I'm familiar with rooting and it's risks. I've rooted other devices. I just didn't want to dive headfirst into rooting this phone if I was not able to get it back to stock with no evidence of tampering. I have total equipment protection which covers any physical damage to the phone, and its come in handy in the past with devices that hav enot been rooted. I don't eve recall them doing anything at the store to check for modications to the software. Ultimately I plan on just rooting the device nad installing SU to get rid of bloatware and used some Xposed modules, no flashing of custom roms or anything.
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rooting a note 4 is extremely silly. you lose half the functionality including a nice secure app store. and you lose it permanently with no possibility of getting it back along with the warranty.

zurkx said:
rooting a note 4 is extremely silly. you lose half the functionality including a nice secure app store. and you lose it permanently with no possibility of getting it back along with the warranty.
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I've had mine 4 days and rooted it. Just becos....well, cos I always have! Nowhere did I readabout losing functionality app Store, Samsung's l assume?Care to expand on that further?? while I search it?
Gotta say I'm impressed with the note so far- -Spen rocks-- no more keyboard which for me is the best feature, still exploring.. Any hints on using the note 4 to it's fullest capablities would be greatly appreciated.
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you lose the knox secure app store and obviously all the apps like knox email and secure/business versions of common apps as well.

zurkx said:
obviously all the apps like knox email
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and secure/business versions of common apps as well.
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ok, thanks for your reply and heads up-my phone is pure indulgence, not for the business side of things. will keep in mind though, and look into this 'Knox' thing a bit more .
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But you don't lose access to the galaxy apps such as s write s health etc.? If that's so I really don't care. I will probably never even look at this so called Knox app store.

youre going to write off half your phone functionality permanently without even trying it out once ?

zurkx said:
youre going to write off half your phone functionality permanently without even trying it out once ?
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mate it would be really nice. you could explain what this "half the functionality" we are losing, is-Samsung Apps still work,. Google search turned up only one post regarding ''losing functionality" and that was yours?? So I am a bit confused?
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dibb_nz said:
mate it would be really nice. you could explain what this "half the functionality" we are losing, is-Samsung Apps still work,. Google search turned up only one post regarding ''losing functionality" and that was yours?? So I am a bit confused?
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you lose a huge huge amount of functionality. too much to describe. an entire separate app store with only secure apps. a stripped down and fast encrypted personality (basically a second phone with no bloat). seamless switching. secure email and separate invisible device storage. secure calendars and notes. device tracking and logging. remote wipe and remote lock/unlock. there is literally a multi hundred page manual for all the functionality available.
have a look at just one screen of knox emm and you can see how much functionality you lose :
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zurkx said:
you lose a huge huge amount of functionality. too much to describe. an entire separate app store with only secure apps. a stripped down and fast encrypted personality (basically a second phone with no bloat). seamless switching. secure email and separate invisible device storage. secure calendars and notes. device tracking and logging. remote wipe and remote lock/unlock. there is literally a multi hundred page manual for all the functionality available.
have a look at just one screen of knox emm and you can see how much functionality you lose :
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Off Topic: Is that a 4K screen? Damn that DPI must be pretty low I couldn't read without my glasses
Basically, yes, you lose Knox. Which is something that no app can replace right now. Knox is what iCloud Security is for iPhones. If somebody stoles your phone, you can track it, or delete everything and render it unusable to the thieft. Also, with knox and reactivation lock enabled, no one can root the phone and delete knox as it prevents to flash anything via Odin. It makes your phone really safe, but it's a worth losing.
I've rooted my phone since the first day I bought it. I don't have warranty as I've imported the phone from USA, so Samsung Argentina doesn't cover it. It's totally worth. If you use Kitkat, Xposed is the best addition for your rooted device. If you're in Lollipop, you can always flash custom themes/mods via Recovery. Root (almost) always is a benefit. I recommend you to enjoy your phone as is, and when you're prepared (or bored, whatever you want to call it), go ahead and root it. Congratulations and cheers!

zurkx said:
you lose a huge huge amount of functionality. too much to describe. an entire separate app store with only secure apps. a stripped down and fast encrypted personality (basically a second phone with no bloat). seamless switching. secure email and separate invisible device storage. secure calendars and notes. device tracking and logging. remote wipe and remote lock/unlock. there is literally a multi hundred page manual for all the functionality available.
have a look at just one screen of knox emm and you can see how much functionality you lose :
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Thankyou, I've had abitof a read up on Knox, I guess,.if this was a company phone, or I worked in IT then this ' feature would be the' bees knees'. fortunately its purely for pleasure!!
galaxynote2 said:
Off Topic: Is that a 4K screen? Damn that DPI must be pretty low I couldn't read without my glasses
Basically, yes, you lose Knox. Which is something that no app can replace right now. Knox is what iCloud Security is for iPhones. If somebody stoles your phone, you can track it, or delete everything and render it unusable to the thieft. Also, with knox and reactivation lock enabled, no one can root the phone and delete knox as it prevents to flash anything via Odin. It makes your phone really safe, but it's a worth losing.
I've rooted my phone since the first day I bought it. I don't have warranty as I've imported the phone from USA, so Samsung Argentina doesn't cover it. It's totally worth. If you use Kitkat, Xposed is the best addition for your rooted device. If you're in Lollipop, you can always flash custom themes/mods via Recovery. Root (almost) always is a benefit. I recommend you to enjoy your phone as is, and when you're prepared (or bored, whatever you want to call it), go ahead and root it. Congratulations and cheers!
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nice, thanks for the info chap, I'm absolutely loving this thing. Root was done in first few hours, used CF Root and Odin all good.
Hope OP has enough info now to make a decision,
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I can see how Knox would be detrimental to someone in a business or tech related job where security is upmost importance however I am not that person so it's just something that' snot useful to me. I think for the time being I'll just keep the phone as is but eventually I will probably root it. I'm only a few days in and I already miss some of my apps and Xposed modules that I used one my One from when it was rooted.

Personally I wouldn't bother rooting. Losing a warranty isn't worth it considering the minimal benefits of rooting.
You'll soon learn to live without the limited additions that exposed offers, and you'll not miss the performance hit exposed offers the Note 4 which is slow enough already.
There is a thread that suggests alternatives to rooting.
If you're anything like me, you'll be onto another phone soon enough and no one will want to buy a phone with no warranty that someone's been trashing with Root.

Jonathan-H said:
Personally I wouldn't bother rooting. Losing a warranty isn't worth it considering the minimal benefits of rooting.
You'll soon learn to live without the limited additions that exposed offers, and you'll not miss the performance hit exposed offers the Note 4 which is slow enough already.
There is a thread that suggests alternatives to rooting.
If you're anything like me, you'll be onto another phone soon enough and no one will want to buy a phone with no warranty that someone's been trashing with Root.
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Not me I wen the Sprint easy pay route. I'll have this phone for the next two years. I think I'll wait till OTA of Lollipop comes out then wait for a stable root and do it then.