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So you can say not to install KNOX when prompted?

I've seen people mention that they are prompted to install KNOX. Is this true? Can you say no and go on without it? Will that hold any advantage later when it comes to the boot loader and custom roms (specifically AT&T and other locked versions). Thanks.

Yup, I want to know that too.

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I had asked designgears about this a couple days ago and he replied with this:
You are right about what Knox is, it is a container. Saying no on startup simply turns it off in the OS, no flags are changed. If you flash a custom kernel or recovery, the flags will be tripped, also flashing an old official firmware will trip them.
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So you won't trip the efuse by saying no to KNOX, but you won't have access to the container. Whether you can re-enable or allow it later on, I don't know, but I'd imagine you could.

skadude66 said:
I had asked designgears about this a couple days ago and he replied with this:
So you won't trip the efuse by saying no to KNOX, but you won't have access to the container. Whether you can re-enable or allow it later on, I don't know, but I'd imagine you could.
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Thanks for the information. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Honestly, I wish we had a choice in the matter. Still, it's not as bad as Apple (yet). Can't wait to see KNOXBreaks. Call it Gold Thief?

trimalchioinwestegg said:
Thanks for the information. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Honestly, I wish we had a choice in the matter. Still, it's not as bad as Apple (yet). Can't wait to see KNOXBreaks. Call it Gold Thief?
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It's really just the e-fuse that is frustrating to me. I think there's always a possibility of people finding a way to reset the fuse, only time will tell.

Yes, you can, I never install it as I no need it.

Does this mean if I never install it, I can root my phone and then succesfully NOT trip any flags if I need to unroot it later for any warranty work?
Thanks for anyone that can clarify this simple question for me!

eskasi said:
Does this mean if I never install it, I can root my phone and then succesfully NOT trip any flags if I need to unroot it later for any warranty work?
Thanks for anyone that can clarify this simple question for me!
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Yes and no. From what I've understood, you can deny KNOX, but flashing any custom firmware or root files will still trip the flag, but some devs might be able to circumvent that. We'll have to wait and see!
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skadude66 said:
Yes and no. From what I've understood, you can deny KNOX, but flashing any custom firmware or root files will still trip the flag, but some devs might be able to circumvent that. We'll have to wait and see!
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G damn handset manufacturers and their locked down ****e. I'd love to see a Raspberry Pi style phone. Open, decent specs and very easy to develop for and mod.

There seems to be a number of components to Knox aswell. On my phone I did not install it however there was still a Knox process running in the background and idling at about 10% CPU!
I have since rooted my phone and frozen all Knox components and the idle CPU usage looks much better

Very angry!!!!!! 😠😠

Hi everybody!!
This is the f*****g **** of Samsung!! They included a poopy eFUSE-Chip which ****s up the device so you can pay the fixing because the warranty will break if you change things on device!! -.-
I think about sending back the device before it's too late.
How about you? Are you angry too?
Greetz..
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I think about sending back the device before it's too late.
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I feel your pain. I don't understand why the boys over at Sammy would include this. Everywhere i read about the eFUSE and the Knox flag, it's permanent. Non reversible. Mostly for business security use (i believe).
Honestly, I don't want to turn this thread into a "I Hate My Note 3", however i'm saving my box, with all my documentation, and planning to return my Note 3, and hold off for the upcoming 32gb, 3000mh version of the Nexus 5.

So when I flash a custom firmware, the eFUSE will get another code and will turn to R/O permanently right? Or does it hardbrick the device?
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What i've been thinking of is someone or some group which may or may not look deeper into this situation of the eFUSE / KNOX relation. The guys at f0f may definitely do have the required knowledge. But they seem to be more associated with game consoles than mobile devices. It just would be a surprise if someone of them like marcan could look further into this and find a solution for private consumers.
It's for the reason that i for myself are a private consumer and no "business guy". I didn't even knew Sammy included this piece of hardware & "innovation" *cough* into the final device and even is planning to include it afterwards into devices via OTA that have been on the market for over half a year now.
So the main reason is that private consumers are the ones who use ROOT for most of the time. They want to do what they want with the hardware they just spent their money for. Why or even what for does a business man require ROOT access? I can't get the point of this.
At this time it's just frustrating and further more unbelievable that Sammy wasn't this clever to let customers choose the way they wanna use their phones - for example by selecting "private" or "business" mode when setting up the device.
This was a very bad decision by Sammy IMO. If they would even have made clear what we are going to do if we kinda fiddle around with ROOT on the Note 3...

Sorry, could someone explain what eFuse and Knox do and why it's a bad thing?

danv28 said:
Sorry, could someone explain what eFuse and Knox do and why it's a bad thing?
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First off, even though samsung decided to use the eFUSE they aren't the ones that put the eFUSE in the phone. That would be qualcomm, it is a feature of their snapdragon processors and it is integrated into damn near every programmable silicon on the market. An eFUSE is a piece of memory built into the processor that CAN BE WRITTEN TO ONLY ONCE AND ONLY TO THE 1 STATE. This is a physical occurrence. The silicon inside the processor physically changes when the flag is set to 1, that means this will NEVER EVER BE REVERSIBLE. With that being said, there is a decently good chance that devs might be able to find a way to flash a custom bootloader that doesn't check for the eFUSE and won't trip the eFUSE when custom roms are run. if your eFuse is tripped, you are never going to be able to reset it, you will never be able to use KNOX again and samsung will always be able to find out if it is tripped.
Now to actually answer your question, KNOX is a security feature built into touchwiz that allows corporate email and other things. The eFUSE is a way for KNOX to detect if there was a tampering attempt and lock down KNOX to keep information secure. fundamentally KNOX needs the eFUSE because it needs to always make sure there was no tampering. It is a wonderfully amazing thing for corporate IT but a terrible thing for consumers. For example, i am sure companies like swappa and others will pay you far less for your used phone if the eFUSE is tripped.

But your phone is fully usable if it's tampered?
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TheRealFelix0212 said:
But your phone is fully usable if it's tampered?
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Mostly usable, KNOX will not work. There is a possibility that OTA's may not work but I doubt they will do that.

iankellogg said:
First off, even though samsung decided to use the eFUSE they aren't the ones that put the eFUSE in the phone. That would be qualcomm, it is a feature of their snapdragon processors and it is integrated into damn near every programmable silicon on the market. An eFUSE is a piece of memory built into the processor that CAN BE WRITTEN TO ONLY ONCE AND ONLY TO THE 1 STATE. This is a physical occurrence. The silicon inside the processor physically changes when the flag is set to 1, that means this will NEVER EVER BE REVERSIBLE. With that being said, there is a decently good chance that devs might be able to find a way to flash a custom bootloader that doesn't check for the eFUSE and won't trip the eFUSE when custom roms are run. if your eFuse is tripped, you are never going to be able to reset it, you will never be able to use KNOX again and samsung will always be able to find out if it is tripped.
Now to actually answer your question, KNOX is a security feature built into touchwiz that allows corporate email and other things. The eFUSE is a way for KNOX to detect if there was a tampering attempt and lock down KNOX to keep information secure. fundamentally KNOX needs the eFUSE because it needs to always make sure there was no tampering. It is a wonderfully amazing thing for corporate IT but a terrible thing for consumers. For example, i am sure companies like swappa and others will pay you far less for your used phone if the eFUSE is tripped.
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Good description.
Business not only wants this, it needs this. You try dealing with BYOD in a large company now days.... The alternative, is that you can't and need two phones, one for business and one for personal.

If OTA don't work we have Odin I think?
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TheRealFelix0212 said:
If OTA don't work we have Odin I think?
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Yep ODIN will work if they ruin OTA's for us. It is kind of the same as when you root your phone they sometimes stop allowing OTA's because of a "modified" device.
krelvinaz said:
Good description.
Business not only wants this, it needs this. You try dealing with BYOD in a large company now days.... The alternative, is that you can't and need two phones, one for business and one for personal.
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The one thing I have to say is that they probably could have implemented KNOX without the eFUSE but I am not sure how much security it would lose. Root is a powerful thing....

But flashing custom rom does not brick the device right?
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So it won't have a possibility of Breaking the device then? Just a case of no warranty?
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I rooted my note 3 n9005 as soon as I got it with cf autoroot. Knox flag changed to 0x1 obviously, but I never installed Knox when I first got my phone, I flashed a pre- rooted official stock rom from xda first then found out an OTA update of around 30mb was released for my original rom for fixes and bugs, I downloaded the exact September released official rom for my phone and flashed it through Odin (losing root), factory reseted the device and I was able to get the October OTA update through phone. After updating I used cf autoroot again now I have the current updated official rom rooted. So it's possible to get OTA when the Knox is flagged. Not sure of custom roms yet coz I haven't tried any custom roms. i just needed root and I'm ok with stock rom. Just worried about the efuse issue of hardware malfunctioning im hearing about and whether the number of times flashing roms through Odin will trigger the blow of efuse or not. So far no issues all working fine, i hope nothing should go wrong since I lost my warranty the second I rooted it.

iankellogg said:
Mostly usable, KNOX will not work. There is a possibility that OTA's may not work but I doubt they will do that.
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Someone said that full (pre-boot) device encryption wasn't working on a KNOX flagged device. I haven't confirmed it, though.

How can i root my note 4 without tripping knox?

My note 4 is a few days old. I want to root but im afraid i would void the waranty because of knox. I need to root inorder to fix the ext sd card write issue.
Any suggestions?
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Don't think there is anyway to root without tripping knox anymore. It's just upto people's personal choice whether root is worth tripping knox

sawdoctor said:
Don't think there is anyway to root without tripping knox anymore. It's just upto people's personal choice whether root is worth tripping knox
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so i guess i remove the note 4 from my list..

kamranhaghighi said:
so i guess i remove the note 4 from my list..
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planning on using a Nexus? ZTE? Cuz thats about all the OEMS that don't have some kind of setup that allows the OEM to know when you've rooted.

yes , nexus best thing ever, i don't know, i only care about the root, not custom roms but the customrom support is good
+. the sdcard issues

With Sammy adopting qmg in the note4 I think theming is going to be nigh on impossible till someone creates a converter

or themeing gets built directly into a custom rom..

Don't think you will be able to build theming into a custom tw rom with qmg but there's far more talanted themers than me on xda

not rooting is kinda impossible for me now
not being able to change game files, fixing sd card issue, ect, i miss old android

Knox isn't as important for most of us thankfully
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Itchiee said:
Knox isn't as important for most of us thankfully
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Correct. Unfortunately, tripping Knox will void warranty.

LegoFarmer said:
Correct. Unfortunately, tripping Knox will void warranty.
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i am always shocked to still read this with as many threads there are all over XDA about Knox generally NOT voiding warranty and Sammy will still repair hardware related issues even after you trip Knox. a few of the threads have conversations posted where Sammy rep even acknowledges they will fix it even with tripped Knox.

fletch33 said:
i am always shocked to still read this with as many threads there are all over XDA about Knox generally NOT voiding warranty and Sammy will still repair hardware related issues even after you trip Knox. a few of the threads have conversations posted where Sammy rep even acknowledges they will fix it even with tripped Knox.
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Hmm. Did not know that... Looks like the Note 4 is back in the air, or I wait for the HTC One M9

fletch33 said:
i am always shocked to still read this with as many threads there are all over XDA about Knox generally NOT voiding warranty and Sammy will still repair hardware related issues even after you trip Knox. a few of the threads have conversations posted where Sammy rep even acknowledges they will fix it even with tripped Knox.
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Yes, it's the rumor that won't die. Tripping Knox has nothing to do with hardware failure.
Hence why unless you really need knox for whatever purpose then it's not an issue.

Itchiee said:
Yes, it's the rumor that won't die. Tripping Knox has nothing to do with hardware failure.
Hence why unless you really need knox for whatever purpose then it's not an issue.
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Then I may actually get the Note 4 like I previously intended. Am I the only one who worries about choosing the correct phone for an upgrade? Haha the M9, S6, and G4 rumors are all so promising but a good wait. Thus is the concept of progression.

LegoFarmer said:
Then I may actually get the Note 4 like I previously intended. Am I the only one who worries about choosing the correct phone for an upgrade? Haha the M9, S6, and G4 rumors are all so promising but a good wait. Thus is the concept of progression.
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i never worry about upgrades. with a Note 4 in hand if for some bizarre reason i didnt like it or wanted something else you can easily make a swap on Craigslist for what you want. never had a problem getting what i wanted without having to spend much.

fletch33 said:
i never worry about upgrades. with a Note 4 in hand if for some bizarre reason i didnt like it or wanted something else you can easily make a swap on Craigslist for what you want. never had a problem getting what i wanted without having to spend much.
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The main thing I hate to lose with the Note 4 is custom ROMs and probably lack of theming options

bladefrost007 said:
My note 4 is a few days old. I want to root but im afraid i would void the waranty because of knox. I need to root inorder to fix the ext sd card write issue.
Any suggestions?
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Root cloak try it [emoji41]
shabbypenguin said:
planning on using a Nexus? ZTE? Cuz thats about all the OEMS that don't have some kind of setup that allows the OEM to know when you've rooted.
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not rooting is kinda impossible for me now
not being able to change game files, fixing sd card issue, ect, i miss old android
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Well knox as per me was creates to block rooting of Samsung phones as there surely as of now is going to void your warranty if you root the phone..not sure why Samsung is going this way though as people who know about android would know what all can happen I.e. good and the bad once the phone is rooted..
So Samsung..please let the users choose their preference

in the near future when the phone is out longer there should be ways to put knox count to 0 and return to factory stock .

Should i root my Note 4?

My main reason not rooting it yet was that i was thinking to sell it to get a Note 5.. but after the show yesterday i am dissapointed i think i dont want to move on to the Note 5 because of the non sd card slot and non removable battery , design and obviously no big difference its the same sh##t as the s6...
I am little bit afraid because my old S3 one day suddenly stopped working and the motherboard was burned, but i have flashed many roms etc ... i dont wanna flash any roms in my Note 4 .
soooooooooo.......Should i root it now?
or is there any other phone that i can buy with simillar features? i really want the fingerprint scanner from the s6

OK to root but avoid playing with your CPU/GPU voltages and overclocking to avoid repeat of what happened to your S3.
For me, rooting is essential as I like installing mods.
You just have to live with tripped knox counter.
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I keep think about rooting mine if for any other reason to stop damn ads! I think the back up options are better (Titanium) but apart from that you cant get around most shortcomings via other means. The other reason and the main one I didn't is that skygo doesn't work if rooted.
I can live with my Note 4 until the LG G4 pro comes out Sept/Oct time....I'm bored of it but nothing better is available and like you, the note 5 isn't an upgrade to waste a ton of money on!
I just shifted a load of apps to sd and it seems a tad slicker. Also stopped a few apps I don't use.

If i root will i be receiving OTA updates?
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patriotaki said:
If i root will i be receiving OTA updates?
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I think NO

will the root block OTA updates? IF i root my Note 4 and change the font files from system will this void it? because according to this article it doesnt block it?
http://galaxy-note-3.wonderhowto.co...or-more-popular-google-ios-icon-sets-0156105/

patriotaki said:
My main reason not rooting it yet was that i was thinking to sell it to get a Note 5.. but after the show yesterday i am dissapointed i think i dont want to move on to the Note 5 because of the non sd card slot and non removable battery , design and obviously no big difference its the same sh##t as the s6...
I am little bit afraid because my old S3 one day suddenly stopped working and the motherboard was burned, but i have flashed many roms etc ... i dont wanna flash any roms in my Note 4 .
soooooooooo.......Should i root it now?
or is there any other phone that i can buy with simillar features? i really want the fingerprint scanner from the s6
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I'm in your same situation, but I have decided not to root it until the warranty is expired, or I have resold it anyway (assuming something better appears for me). I rooted the previous Note after the warranty expired, and I might do the same for this one as well if I don't get any new phone in the meantime and resell this.

elevul said:
I'm in your same situation, but I have decided not to root it until the warranty is expired, or I have resold it anyway (assuming something better appears for me). I rooted the previous Note after the warranty expired, and I might do the same for this one as well if I don't get any new phone in the meantime and resell this.
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uhhh... dont know what to do !!! Is there anyway i can reset knox counter?

patriotaki said:
uhhh... dont know what to do !!! Is there anyway i can reset knox counter?
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No.

Is there any way i can root my Note 4 and NOT lose the Private Mode and also get OTA updates??
What does the KNOX counter really do ? Also if i decide to unroot is there any way to reset KNOX counter?
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patriotaki said:
Is there any way i can root my Note 4 and NOT lose the Private Mode and also get OTA updates??
What does the KNOX counter really do ? Also if i decide to unroot is there any way to reset KNOX counter?
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Not sure about private mode, but if you just root you should receive the OTA updates (though you'll have to re-root after every update).
When you first root the efuse is physically triggered, after which the only way to reset back to 0 is to go to the Samsung center and make them change it (unsure if they have to change the whole electronic board or they resolder a new efuse on the board).
Issue is, for Enterprise customers they change it for $10 a phone, but as far as I know they don't do this for end users, and if they do it would cost way more and the warranty on the phone would be permanently invalidated.
Oh, one warning: if you have Knox Security enabled DO NOT ROOT before you disable it. You'll find yourself with a brick.

No, No, and NO.
Knox can not be 0x0 ever again.
Read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Knox
As far as the OTA goes, I think you will be able to get it (as long as you don't have custom recovery installed) I think this is the case.. But then again, I am not sure about it..
I personally, do root all of my phones. The main thing is to install addaway to get rid of anoying adds.
If the motherboard dies, there is no way to know that the knox was tripped..

elevul said:
Not sure about private mode, but if you just root you should receive the OTA updates (though you'll have to re-root after every update).
When you first root the efuse is physically triggered, after which the only way to reset back to 0 is to go to the Samsung center and make them change it (unsure if they have to change the whole electronic board or they resolder a new efuse on the board).
Issue is, for Enterprise customers they change it for $10 a phone, but as far as I know they don't do this for end users, and if they do it would cost way more and the warranty on the phone would be permanently invalidated.
Oh, one warning: if you have Knox Security enabled DO NOT ROOT before you disable it. You'll find yourself with a brick.
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I unenrolled my device from my knox through the my knox portal is it safe now to root it? I dont have my knox installed
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Warning about root

if you root this phone and trip knox fuse counter. you will NEVER EVER be able to use the great feature of MST through samsung pay.
My thoughts . since we have a non root hotspot and all bloatware (which isnt that much) can be disabled
the phone has so much customization incl uded i am not rooting the phone. the battery lasts 2 days easy with medium
use. no bugs at all i can find. what more can you ask for.
Remember Root no MST (mst is the ability to use the old card swipers at any location with the phone. it sends card you addeds magnetic strip info to the swiper )
UNLESS you can root without tripping the know counter. its unreversalble
carry on

First phone I've owned that I dont see myself rooting. I really like the Samsung Pay.

Yea I'm coming from the S6 and couldn't use it but enjoying Samsung Pay now

You don't have to worry about that. All US versions are locked down. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3327399

After 8 generations of HTC phones, I decided to try Samsung this year as M10 rumors were they were ditching Boomsound my favorite feature of the M phones. I felt edge was far superior this year at least based on the rumors which getting this close to launch are usually spot on. I was well aware that I was going to have to decide to trip knox or not if I wanted root. While there is more customization and control with Android 6 it still doesn't compare to having everything wide open, especially if you are use to S-OFF.
Is the trade off worth it? Well I think so at least right now, this device is superior to pretty much anything out at the moment. I'm already missing Xposed, Titanium Backup & AdAway. The lock down on these devices is just getting so bad, while I understand they shouldn't come rooted out of the box but give us a choice. We may not even have the option of tripping Knox at this point. Part of the reason I stayed with Sprint for so long is they were more friendly with unlocking phones then big red but everything seems to be going the wrong direction.
Even if root is granted, it will just be patched and it's only going to get more secure and difficult each generation. I guess we just might have to start accepting that this is just how it is. Kinda sad, I'm just so use to having it even back in the Windows Mobile days I was running custom roms.

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You don't have to worry about that. All US versions are locked down. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3327399
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No they are already rooted with custom kernels and roms deodexed and odexed

These boys dont.play

Yess of course

I'm fine removing Samsung Pay if I get the benefits of rooting.

Robalboa said:
Works on our phones http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3335727
ROM stock firmware Samsung Galaxy S7 EDGE SM-G935P ROOT TWRP Drivers
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I thought the bootloader was locked on all the carriers this year?

Someone give it a shot and let us know ?

Sim-X said:
I thought the bootloader was locked on all the carriers this year?
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It still has the unlock bootloader button in developer options just like the S6 had

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It still has the unlock bootloader button in developer options just like the S6 had
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Interesting, I'm not gonna go first I still haven't decided if I wanna trip knox or not if the bootloader is in fact able to be unlocked.

Robalboa said:
Works on our phones http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3335727
ROM stock firmware Samsung Galaxy S7 EDGE SM-G935P ROOT TWRP Drivers
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This link only shows 935F -- not 935P. Am I missing something?

nastypup said:
This link only shows 935F -- not 935P. Am I missing something?
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as stated above there a option to
unlock the bootloader in Dev options. im not sure all the details because i see no benefit to root right now but
they do have the phone rooted and they are modding kernels and system as wee speak. also custom recovery.
TWRP will inject root upon install and start up to reboot.
This is just a warning about root to anyone so they know the Deal with Samsung pay and MST
I do see it says 900f but theres numerous reports of it working on the 900P
you know these guys are flashaholics lol

Robalboa said:
as stated above there a option to
unlock the bootloader in Dev options. im not sure all the details because i see no benefit to root right now but
they do have the phone rooted and they are modding kernels and system as wee speak. also custom recovery.
TWRP will inject root upon install and start up to reboot.
This is just a warning about root to anyone so they know the Deal with Samsung pay and MST
I do see it says 900f but theres numerous reports of it working on the 900P
you know these guys are flashaholics lol
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Thanks for the tip! I'm a huge fan of custom roms and the prospect of xposed so I'm very much looking forward to rooting. I'll wait a little though for a more concrete path and at least a rom to flash.

Robalboa said:
as stated above there a option to
unlock the bootloader in Dev options. im not sure all the details because i see no benefit to root right now but
they do have the phone rooted and they are modding kernels and system as wee speak. also custom recovery.
TWRP will inject root upon install and start up to reboot.
This is just a warning about root to anyone so they know the Deal with Samsung pay and MST
I do see it says 900f but theres numerous reports of it working on the 900P
you know these guys are flashaholics lol
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I've never used Samsung Pay but I need a rooted phone to restore a ton of data. Stock ROM is adequate for me. I played with custom ROMs years ago and they were just a time suck. I was flashing them almost daily. The stock ROM is good as long as its rooted.

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I've never used Samsung Pay but I need a rooted phone to restore a ton of data. Stock ROM is adequate for me. I played with custom ROMs years ago and they were just a time suck. I was flashing them almost daily. The stock ROM is good as long as its rooted.
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Samsung pay is the only way to use MST or use ur phone for old card swipers. But thats your call

Samsung pay is useless to me. And as far as I can tell that's the only benefit to not rooting. I've read there are other benefits but that's the only one I've seen posted, Other than warranty.
To me; rooting is more beneficial. Removing advertising is the biggest. Then a basic debloated rom is second. Adding apps that are not usable on non-rooted phone would be my third reason.

nickmus said:
Samsung pay is useless to me. And as far as I can tell that's the only benefit to not rooting. I've read there are other benefits but that's the only one I've seen posted, Other than warranty.
To me; rooting is more beneficial. Removing advertising is the biggest. Then a basic debloated rom is second. Adding apps that are not usable on non-rooted phone would be my third reason.
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I'm kinda feeling the same way. Can't use Samsung Pay as a total replacement anyway and I just looked they don't even support Capital One cards at least yet anyway. That was one thing google did right back in the day with wallet, you could link any card. Still looks cool but ad block is one of the main reasons I root as well. I'm giving AdGaurd a shot (I use that on my desktop) and you can side load it to Android it creates a local VPN connection to the app to filter all traffic. Kinda annoying you always have a notification saying it's running also doesn't block youtube ads which Xposed worked awesome for that. I miss TI as well. Warranty void I feel so so about. S-OFF you could at least remove a tampered flag on an HTC although HTC would still have record of you doing a dev unlock token even if reset everything.