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So you can say not to install KNOX when prompted?

I've seen people mention that they are prompted to install KNOX. Is this true? Can you say no and go on without it? Will that hold any advantage later when it comes to the boot loader and custom roms (specifically AT&T and other locked versions). Thanks.

Yup, I want to know that too.

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I had asked designgears about this a couple days ago and he replied with this:
You are right about what Knox is, it is a container. Saying no on startup simply turns it off in the OS, no flags are changed. If you flash a custom kernel or recovery, the flags will be tripped, also flashing an old official firmware will trip them.
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So you won't trip the efuse by saying no to KNOX, but you won't have access to the container. Whether you can re-enable or allow it later on, I don't know, but I'd imagine you could.

skadude66 said:
I had asked designgears about this a couple days ago and he replied with this:
So you won't trip the efuse by saying no to KNOX, but you won't have access to the container. Whether you can re-enable or allow it later on, I don't know, but I'd imagine you could.
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Thanks for the information. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Honestly, I wish we had a choice in the matter. Still, it's not as bad as Apple (yet). Can't wait to see KNOXBreaks. Call it Gold Thief?

trimalchioinwestegg said:
Thanks for the information. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Honestly, I wish we had a choice in the matter. Still, it's not as bad as Apple (yet). Can't wait to see KNOXBreaks. Call it Gold Thief?
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It's really just the e-fuse that is frustrating to me. I think there's always a possibility of people finding a way to reset the fuse, only time will tell.

Yes, you can, I never install it as I no need it.

Does this mean if I never install it, I can root my phone and then succesfully NOT trip any flags if I need to unroot it later for any warranty work?
Thanks for anyone that can clarify this simple question for me!

eskasi said:
Does this mean if I never install it, I can root my phone and then succesfully NOT trip any flags if I need to unroot it later for any warranty work?
Thanks for anyone that can clarify this simple question for me!
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Yes and no. From what I've understood, you can deny KNOX, but flashing any custom firmware or root files will still trip the flag, but some devs might be able to circumvent that. We'll have to wait and see!
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Yes and no. From what I've understood, you can deny KNOX, but flashing any custom firmware or root files will still trip the flag, but some devs might be able to circumvent that. We'll have to wait and see!
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G damn handset manufacturers and their locked down ****e. I'd love to see a Raspberry Pi style phone. Open, decent specs and very easy to develop for and mod.

There seems to be a number of components to Knox aswell. On my phone I did not install it however there was still a Knox process running in the background and idling at about 10% CPU!
I have since rooted my phone and frozen all Knox components and the idle CPU usage looks much better

Very angry!!!!!! 😠😠

Hi everybody!!
This is the f*****g **** of Samsung!! They included a poopy eFUSE-Chip which ****s up the device so you can pay the fixing because the warranty will break if you change things on device!! -.-
I think about sending back the device before it's too late.
How about you? Are you angry too?
Greetz..
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I think about sending back the device before it's too late.
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I feel your pain. I don't understand why the boys over at Sammy would include this. Everywhere i read about the eFUSE and the Knox flag, it's permanent. Non reversible. Mostly for business security use (i believe).
Honestly, I don't want to turn this thread into a "I Hate My Note 3", however i'm saving my box, with all my documentation, and planning to return my Note 3, and hold off for the upcoming 32gb, 3000mh version of the Nexus 5.

So when I flash a custom firmware, the eFUSE will get another code and will turn to R/O permanently right? Or does it hardbrick the device?
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What i've been thinking of is someone or some group which may or may not look deeper into this situation of the eFUSE / KNOX relation. The guys at f0f may definitely do have the required knowledge. But they seem to be more associated with game consoles than mobile devices. It just would be a surprise if someone of them like marcan could look further into this and find a solution for private consumers.
It's for the reason that i for myself are a private consumer and no "business guy". I didn't even knew Sammy included this piece of hardware & "innovation" *cough* into the final device and even is planning to include it afterwards into devices via OTA that have been on the market for over half a year now.
So the main reason is that private consumers are the ones who use ROOT for most of the time. They want to do what they want with the hardware they just spent their money for. Why or even what for does a business man require ROOT access? I can't get the point of this.
At this time it's just frustrating and further more unbelievable that Sammy wasn't this clever to let customers choose the way they wanna use their phones - for example by selecting "private" or "business" mode when setting up the device.
This was a very bad decision by Sammy IMO. If they would even have made clear what we are going to do if we kinda fiddle around with ROOT on the Note 3...

Sorry, could someone explain what eFuse and Knox do and why it's a bad thing?

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Sorry, could someone explain what eFuse and Knox do and why it's a bad thing?
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First off, even though samsung decided to use the eFUSE they aren't the ones that put the eFUSE in the phone. That would be qualcomm, it is a feature of their snapdragon processors and it is integrated into damn near every programmable silicon on the market. An eFUSE is a piece of memory built into the processor that CAN BE WRITTEN TO ONLY ONCE AND ONLY TO THE 1 STATE. This is a physical occurrence. The silicon inside the processor physically changes when the flag is set to 1, that means this will NEVER EVER BE REVERSIBLE. With that being said, there is a decently good chance that devs might be able to find a way to flash a custom bootloader that doesn't check for the eFUSE and won't trip the eFUSE when custom roms are run. if your eFuse is tripped, you are never going to be able to reset it, you will never be able to use KNOX again and samsung will always be able to find out if it is tripped.
Now to actually answer your question, KNOX is a security feature built into touchwiz that allows corporate email and other things. The eFUSE is a way for KNOX to detect if there was a tampering attempt and lock down KNOX to keep information secure. fundamentally KNOX needs the eFUSE because it needs to always make sure there was no tampering. It is a wonderfully amazing thing for corporate IT but a terrible thing for consumers. For example, i am sure companies like swappa and others will pay you far less for your used phone if the eFUSE is tripped.

But your phone is fully usable if it's tampered?
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But your phone is fully usable if it's tampered?
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Mostly usable, KNOX will not work. There is a possibility that OTA's may not work but I doubt they will do that.

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First off, even though samsung decided to use the eFUSE they aren't the ones that put the eFUSE in the phone. That would be qualcomm, it is a feature of their snapdragon processors and it is integrated into damn near every programmable silicon on the market. An eFUSE is a piece of memory built into the processor that CAN BE WRITTEN TO ONLY ONCE AND ONLY TO THE 1 STATE. This is a physical occurrence. The silicon inside the processor physically changes when the flag is set to 1, that means this will NEVER EVER BE REVERSIBLE. With that being said, there is a decently good chance that devs might be able to find a way to flash a custom bootloader that doesn't check for the eFUSE and won't trip the eFUSE when custom roms are run. if your eFuse is tripped, you are never going to be able to reset it, you will never be able to use KNOX again and samsung will always be able to find out if it is tripped.
Now to actually answer your question, KNOX is a security feature built into touchwiz that allows corporate email and other things. The eFUSE is a way for KNOX to detect if there was a tampering attempt and lock down KNOX to keep information secure. fundamentally KNOX needs the eFUSE because it needs to always make sure there was no tampering. It is a wonderfully amazing thing for corporate IT but a terrible thing for consumers. For example, i am sure companies like swappa and others will pay you far less for your used phone if the eFUSE is tripped.
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Good description.
Business not only wants this, it needs this. You try dealing with BYOD in a large company now days.... The alternative, is that you can't and need two phones, one for business and one for personal.

If OTA don't work we have Odin I think?
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If OTA don't work we have Odin I think?
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Yep ODIN will work if they ruin OTA's for us. It is kind of the same as when you root your phone they sometimes stop allowing OTA's because of a "modified" device.
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Good description.
Business not only wants this, it needs this. You try dealing with BYOD in a large company now days.... The alternative, is that you can't and need two phones, one for business and one for personal.
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The one thing I have to say is that they probably could have implemented KNOX without the eFUSE but I am not sure how much security it would lose. Root is a powerful thing....

But flashing custom rom does not brick the device right?
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So it won't have a possibility of Breaking the device then? Just a case of no warranty?
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I rooted my note 3 n9005 as soon as I got it with cf autoroot. Knox flag changed to 0x1 obviously, but I never installed Knox when I first got my phone, I flashed a pre- rooted official stock rom from xda first then found out an OTA update of around 30mb was released for my original rom for fixes and bugs, I downloaded the exact September released official rom for my phone and flashed it through Odin (losing root), factory reseted the device and I was able to get the October OTA update through phone. After updating I used cf autoroot again now I have the current updated official rom rooted. So it's possible to get OTA when the Knox is flagged. Not sure of custom roms yet coz I haven't tried any custom roms. i just needed root and I'm ok with stock rom. Just worried about the efuse issue of hardware malfunctioning im hearing about and whether the number of times flashing roms through Odin will trigger the blow of efuse or not. So far no issues all working fine, i hope nothing should go wrong since I lost my warranty the second I rooted it.

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Mostly usable, KNOX will not work. There is a possibility that OTA's may not work but I doubt they will do that.
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Someone said that full (pre-boot) device encryption wasn't working on a KNOX flagged device. I haven't confirmed it, though.

Updates post-root, without bricking? (kitkat update used a recovery image?)

Hey guys,
I'm picking up my Note 3 on Tuesday. Gonna stay on the stock firmware out of the box, no OTAs will be allowed. Gonna root with Kingo. I dont wanna mess with recoveries or anything other than disabling software update to prevent kitkat from being pushed. I realize it could be an advantage however as I could then in the future use the 4.4.2 update as a type of recovery image, if I need to send it in for service or sell it. I know about sammobile and all other "offical" stock tars floating around but they arent really from Samsung. They dont even release recovery images for the dev edition! Kingo wont trip knox and I wont be modifying any system apps (I may even opt with using a permission denying app to block SDM from having network access, instead of freezing it, as it's less aggressive). I will make an ADB backup pre-root and restore it before updating as well.
If the time comes I could use Kingo or Superuser to unroot, wanam to fake the status as offical, adb restore and have the samsung experience store guys flash kitkat or use the OTA which, assuredly, would remove any and all traces of root. Sounds divine.
So will the update process, whether from the Samsung guys or OTA brick my phone if I do it? I should have everything removed by doing it this way. I don't like the idea of messing with all these different recovery tars as they arent 100% official. Just wanna make sure the Sammy update wont brick it, because it knows, somehow.

I'm in the same boat though worse off than you since I don't know how to do an adb backup. Sounds to me like Kitkat sucks and I just want to stay stock mje and block updates.
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There is nothing in the kitkat update that's essential. I know because I have it on my Nexus 10 and I wish I didn't. Rooted with SDM and bloat frozen. Will not update until they give me a really good reason to.
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Yeah I agree with everything here. Kitkat totally sucks and I'm gonna stay on 4.3 for the duration of my phones life. But my question is, are we able, after rooting, to update officially to kitkat, be it an OTA or going to a samsung store and having them flash (without bricking it). I'm asking because I think it'd be a flawless way of reverting "back" (forward actually, from 4.3) to a genuine Samsung system after root. This would solve warranty worries or selling the device as rooted problems. The update would serve as a recovery image or the ultimate unrooting tool.
Just curious if it will brick the phone if done. If I need warranty service or to sell it, I dont want to go the sammobile odin route or any of the other "official" tars, because they're not 100% genuine. If we don't modify the stock rom and can use something like wanam to fake the sytem status and Knox isnt tripped, why would it not take the update perfectly? All this caution, an ADB pre-root restore and I'm pretty sure/hoping it would work wonderfully to get to a genuine samsung status, post root, for selling or service needs. Just need some clarification if it would actually work or bork the phone with an "unauthorize software detected" screen.

If kingo unroot works just unroot then accept the update no?
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recDNA said:
If kingo unroot works just unroot then accept the update no?
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It'd be nice but from what I understand the update does some kind of checking to see how/what you modified. Kingo doesnt trip knox but any root with change the system status as "modified" instead of "official", which could interfere with updates. There is a well kown "unauthorized software detected" sign that comes up sometimes after update attempts. Not sure what triggers it though. Unrooting via Kingo doesnt nessisarily remove 100% of the root. This is what we'd use the KitKat update for, unless, it bricks it somehow because it's able to detect that you once rooted. But if you were cautious, didnt mod much, didnt mess with system files, did an adb restore and faked the system status with wanam, it's plausible to think you could accept an update afterwords without issues. But also, Im not sure if wanam will be able to fake the status after you unroot...

I don't want to take the update. I will disable the updater files once rooted. otherwise, i remain stock. when the time comes reenable updater files and immediately run kingo unroot. presto, all mods gone. now accept update. that wont work?
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recDNA said:
I don't want to take the update. I will disable the updater files once rooted. otherwise, i remain stock. when the time comes reenable updater files and immediately run kingo unroot. presto, all mods gone. now accept update. that wont work?
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This is what I'm trying to ascertain. I've read things that the unroot via kingo doesnt actually remove the binaries, it only unsinstalls superuser. There still might be some traces of it on there, and the update will see this and youll get this message after boot, post update: (a verizon induced soft brick for having a modified system before update)
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Kingo even told me via their facebook when I asked about it, "There is a big chance that you cannot update your device via OTA. Rooting means you tampered your device. Even your KNOX stays un-triggered, you device status will turn from "official" to "custom". If you wanna back to the "official", you should use kies/Odin to flash back the stock ROM," which is not what I want, seeing as how the firmware from sammobile and others like it arent 100% genuine from Sammy. When you unroot, it will still say modified system, even if knox isnt tripped. The updates check this. You can use wanam to "fake system status" but if you unroot first, you lose wanam functionality and if you update when you're still rooted theres no way itll take.
Just trying to hash it out as it'd be the perfect way to restore to official stock, if need be. Not having the ability makes it pretty scary to do on a phone I paid $750 for. So we're between a rock and a kitkat. I really dont want that ****ty update either. But not having a sure fire way back, it sucks.
Does anybody know about using a samsung store to update from 4.3 to 4.4.2 after unrooting? I'm assuming they use Odin to flash and actually have the official firmwares. I'd feel better about going about it that way because so far I see a lot of warnings about OTA's (even after "unrooting"). Curious if that way would work without soft bricking your phone with the verizon warning.

Thanks for the 411. I also paid full price for my note 3 but I never intend to sell it. It will be a great wifi tablet. I'm always disappointed with value of smartphones after a year of use.
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recDNA said:
Thanks for the 411. I also paid full price for my note 3 but I never intend to sell it. It will be a great wifi tablet. I'm always disappointed with value of smartphones after a year of use.
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No problem. I don't worry so much about selling it, I can sell it on Swappa as they dont care about root. But for warranty purposes, it sucks. If something happens and we have to send it back and they find that it's been rooted or modified, they will not service it. It'd just be nice to have this card to play in order to get it back to a "trustworthy" genuine firmware. I'll insure mine though so yeah, spare wifi tablet I suppose. Just sucks the replacement will more than likely be refurbished.
Yeah, it's a great phone though. Are you gonna take any updates for it before rooting (not ****kat, obviously), or gonna root it out of the box (MJ9 software, I believe)? Just curious. I just don't trust Samsung's updates any more.

I never planned to root. I'm in mje latest update. I don't trust Kingo nor Vroot. That is why I never rooted. Kitkat sounds so horrible I feel compelled to root but I still don't trust available exploits. Like you said, a rock and a hard place... Just like a new NBA coach trying to make his bones yet score a good draft pick. LOL
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Getting a note 3 tomorrow.
Why does everybody hate the kitkat update so much?

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Getting a note 3 tomorrow.
Why does everybody hate the kitkat update so much?
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Ruins easy access to SD card for one thing. S pen problems, some apps don't work etc.
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recDNA said:
Ruins easy access to SD card for one thing. S pen problems, some apps don't work etc.
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hahahahah!!! Stevens will be a great coach in a few years. Doc is a very very bad man. Hopefully we land Wiggins (or Parker). I'm on the fence about rooting too but from what I can tell Kingo is legit and worked for many people. the questiom is why dont they monitize it? thats scary to me.
So do you just deal with the software update popup by continually pressing home or back? if you defer it, after 4 times it installs on its own. same thing with rejecting it. I cant believe they don't give us control over our phones updstes (without rooting)! Hopefuly Verizon wont get it for a while.
There's a confirmed battery bug for kitkat ( on the nexus 5 atleast), the sd issue, a litany of instability, potentially, and the biggest deal with it: it breaks free wifi tethering and supposedly there will never be a way for developers to get arpund it. Yeah: I realllllyyy don't want that "update". If it aint broke...you know.

I don't know what I'll do yet. Sd card handling is an integral part of Kitkat and vzw won't improve it. Once the first announcement of imminent update occurs I will have to decide what to do.
I'm rooting for Celtics losses and I wish Ainje traded Rondo. I think we need a new team. I don't think Rondo will be a great influence on a young team.
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recDNA said:
I don't know what I'll do yet. Sd card handling is an integral part of Kitkat and vzw won't improve it. Once the first announcement of imminent update occurs I will have to decide what to do.
I'm rooting for Celtics losses and I wish Ainje traded Rondo. I think we need a new team. I don't think Rondo will be a great influence on a young team.
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HAhahahaha, I'm wiith you on all pages man. I would've stayed with my II but 4.3 is horrible on it and I'm really interested in the new Gear 2 watch which requires 4.3. Ironically 4.1.2 works like a BEAST on it but it wont support the gear 2. Samsung is fully turning into apple. If you do decide to root or find another way around the software updates, please let me know. I'll do the same for you. Kingo is one of the only ones that doesnt trip Knox but it's all but worthless if we cant get the system status back to "official" or get the kitkat update to install. Such a headache. Be careful with that software update popup, it's super consistent. Such a crazy way to have to use a flagship device. Most every time you press home, it pops back up. I found out that you can disable google services framework and that will prevent the update, but you also loose gmail, google play, you tube, maps and any other google app. Unbelievable.
There needs to be more NBA talk on XDA, lol. Danny has long since worn out his welcome. Still cant believe how he treated Pierce. I agree with the Rondo sentiment, wholeheartedly. His stock is falling as his athleticism fades as well. We need to blow up the team basically. I hope we resign AB, but I wont be shocked if he walks. We'll never get rid of Wallace's contract. Sully can be really good if he keeps healthy and developing. I used to love Green but now...I think we should deal him NOW. He clearly cant handle having the reigns and he takes way too many threes. Ironically enough Gerald Green is killing it for Phoenix right now?! Hoping for those ping pong balls too man. Hopefully we dont get screwed in the draft.
I'll keep you posted if I find anything.
Cheers--

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There is nothing in the kitkat update that's essential. I know because I have it on my Nexus 10 and I wish I didn't. Rooted with SDM and bloat frozen. Will not update until they give me a really good reason to.
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tablet and phone are 2 different things. Also each phone and tablet are not getting the exact kit kat. little things different but not the same action
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tablet and phone are 2 different things. Also each phone and tablet are not getting the exact kit kat. little things different but not the same action
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So you're not hesitant to update to kitkat on your note? If not, can I ask what features of enhancements in it make you wish to update to it? it is confirmed that sd write access for 3rd party apps and free wifi tethering apps have disabled, for some thats a big deal. If it's anything like other updates it has the potential to cripple the phones battery life and performance. 4.3 ruined my note 2 and the replacement 2 as well, losing around 2 hours of battery life on each. I'm hesitant to trust them again. With every update it seems things get worse, not better. and I cant see any huge features that would make me wanna jump from 4.3.

How can i root my note 4 without tripping knox?

My note 4 is a few days old. I want to root but im afraid i would void the waranty because of knox. I need to root inorder to fix the ext sd card write issue.
Any suggestions?
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Don't think there is anyway to root without tripping knox anymore. It's just upto people's personal choice whether root is worth tripping knox

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Don't think there is anyway to root without tripping knox anymore. It's just upto people's personal choice whether root is worth tripping knox
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so i guess i remove the note 4 from my list..

kamranhaghighi said:
so i guess i remove the note 4 from my list..
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planning on using a Nexus? ZTE? Cuz thats about all the OEMS that don't have some kind of setup that allows the OEM to know when you've rooted.

yes , nexus best thing ever, i don't know, i only care about the root, not custom roms but the customrom support is good
+. the sdcard issues

With Sammy adopting qmg in the note4 I think theming is going to be nigh on impossible till someone creates a converter

or themeing gets built directly into a custom rom..

Don't think you will be able to build theming into a custom tw rom with qmg but there's far more talanted themers than me on xda

not rooting is kinda impossible for me now
not being able to change game files, fixing sd card issue, ect, i miss old android

Knox isn't as important for most of us thankfully
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Knox isn't as important for most of us thankfully
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Correct. Unfortunately, tripping Knox will void warranty.

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Correct. Unfortunately, tripping Knox will void warranty.
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i am always shocked to still read this with as many threads there are all over XDA about Knox generally NOT voiding warranty and Sammy will still repair hardware related issues even after you trip Knox. a few of the threads have conversations posted where Sammy rep even acknowledges they will fix it even with tripped Knox.

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i am always shocked to still read this with as many threads there are all over XDA about Knox generally NOT voiding warranty and Sammy will still repair hardware related issues even after you trip Knox. a few of the threads have conversations posted where Sammy rep even acknowledges they will fix it even with tripped Knox.
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Hmm. Did not know that... Looks like the Note 4 is back in the air, or I wait for the HTC One M9

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i am always shocked to still read this with as many threads there are all over XDA about Knox generally NOT voiding warranty and Sammy will still repair hardware related issues even after you trip Knox. a few of the threads have conversations posted where Sammy rep even acknowledges they will fix it even with tripped Knox.
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Yes, it's the rumor that won't die. Tripping Knox has nothing to do with hardware failure.
Hence why unless you really need knox for whatever purpose then it's not an issue.

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Yes, it's the rumor that won't die. Tripping Knox has nothing to do with hardware failure.
Hence why unless you really need knox for whatever purpose then it's not an issue.
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Then I may actually get the Note 4 like I previously intended. Am I the only one who worries about choosing the correct phone for an upgrade? Haha the M9, S6, and G4 rumors are all so promising but a good wait. Thus is the concept of progression.

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Then I may actually get the Note 4 like I previously intended. Am I the only one who worries about choosing the correct phone for an upgrade? Haha the M9, S6, and G4 rumors are all so promising but a good wait. Thus is the concept of progression.
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i never worry about upgrades. with a Note 4 in hand if for some bizarre reason i didnt like it or wanted something else you can easily make a swap on Craigslist for what you want. never had a problem getting what i wanted without having to spend much.

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i never worry about upgrades. with a Note 4 in hand if for some bizarre reason i didnt like it or wanted something else you can easily make a swap on Craigslist for what you want. never had a problem getting what i wanted without having to spend much.
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The main thing I hate to lose with the Note 4 is custom ROMs and probably lack of theming options

bladefrost007 said:
My note 4 is a few days old. I want to root but im afraid i would void the waranty because of knox. I need to root inorder to fix the ext sd card write issue.
Any suggestions?
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Root cloak try it [emoji41]
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planning on using a Nexus? ZTE? Cuz thats about all the OEMS that don't have some kind of setup that allows the OEM to know when you've rooted.
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not rooting is kinda impossible for me now
not being able to change game files, fixing sd card issue, ect, i miss old android
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Well knox as per me was creates to block rooting of Samsung phones as there surely as of now is going to void your warranty if you root the phone..not sure why Samsung is going this way though as people who know about android would know what all can happen I.e. good and the bad once the phone is rooted..
So Samsung..please let the users choose their preference

in the near future when the phone is out longer there should be ways to put knox count to 0 and return to factory stock .

[Q] Should I root my note 4?

I know it's probably been asked a thousand times, and it's probably a matter of opinion, but I want some input before rooting my note 4. I have rooted every android device I have ever owned, in most cases before they even got warm, but for some reason I'm hesitant With this one, I love it as it is, and I mostly like touchwiz but I put up with its limitations because I like the few perks that the stock launcher provides over an alternative launcher, I really only want to root just for Xposed mods and various root applications, I can't see myself flashing a custom rom anytime soon, unless someone works out how to implement all of the Samsung hardware features. My main concern at the moment I suppose is warranty and OTA update to Lollipop (if that ever happens), I know you can just get the stock rom/image when it's available but I would prefer OTA, at least for the first upgrade to lollipop. can you root but still keep the stock recovery? Can you root without tripping knox? Is there some sort of fuse like there was in the S4 (and I presume the S5,never had one), is it hard to un root?, any other downsides to rooting the note 4?

If you root you WILL trip Knox. I read a discussion about whether Knox is a physical or coded fuse and i think the general thought is that it is physical so once its tripped it xan only be reset by having the mainboard changed.
However lollipop should just be around the corner so you could just wait a few more weeks (purely a guess at release date) and get ota and then root.
There is a stock ROM available which just has root access and no other changes if you want to stay close to stock but want xposed but it depends what model you have.
I believe there is also an xposed module that hides your root that makes ota think that you haven't rooted so you can still get them. I rooted my Note straight away and tried several ROMs and at the moment I'm on CM12 and its fantastic.
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Eddster3000 said:
If you root you WILL trip Knox. I read a discussion about whether Knox is a physical or coded fuse and i think the general thought is that it is physical so once its tripped it xan only be reset by having the mainboard changed.
However lollipop should just be around the corner so you could just wait a few more weeks (purely a guess at release date) and get ota and then root.
There is a stock ROM available which just has root access and no other changes if you want to stay close to stock but want xposed but it depends what model you have.
I believe there is also an xposed module that hides your root that makes ota think that you haven't rooted so you can still get them. I rooted my Note straight away and tried several ROMs and at the moment I'm on CM12 and its fantastic.
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Thanks Eddster3000, yeah I remember looking into it a fair bit with my S4 and I think it was generally accepted that knox was a hardware fuse, I ended up rooting and updating the bootloader anyway. I was running CM12 on my S4 and loving it, I have always been a fan of Samsung hardware functionality but I stuck with CM12 anyway because it was so good, in this case though I think I'll miss the S pen features and a couple of other things, so I'll probably hold off for a little while I think, if someone came up with dual boot like the patcher for S4 that would probably tip me towards rooting. I have the telstra model, SM-N910G, I don't know how much telstra will interfere with the update process, only time will tell I suppose.

Absolutely. You won't regret it.
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I can't give up on my S-PEN

rooting impairs a huge amount of functionality.
you lose warranty permanently.
you lose knox permanently.
your dual personality phone is now single personality.
you lose knox apps like knox email which are better than regular samsung email.
you lose policy enforcement.
you lose hidden Gallery and hidden SNote.
you lose knox tracking and knox remote wipe.

zurkx said:
rooting impairs a huge amount of functionality.
you lose warranty permanently.
you lose knox permanently.
your dual personality phone is now single personality.
you lose knox apps like knox email which are better than regular samsung email.
you lose policy enforcement.
you lose hidden Gallery and hidden SNote.
you lose knox tracking and knox remote wipe.
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And rooting provides 100 times more functionality then you lose. Really, what percentage of people actually can't live without Knox?
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Eddster3000 said:
If you root you WILL trip Knox. I read a discussion about whether Knox is a physical or coded fuse and i think the general thought is that it is physical so once its tripped it xan only be reset by having the mainboard changed.
However lollipop should just be around the corner so you could just wait a few more weeks (purely a guess at release date) and get ota and then root.
There is a stock ROM available which just has root access and no other changes if you want to stay close to stock but want xposed but it depends what model you have.
I believe there is also an xposed module that hides your root that makes ota think that you haven't rooted so you can still get them. I rooted my Note straight away and tried several ROMs and at the moment I'm on CM12 and its fantastic.
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I really like CM roms, allways used them on my other devices.
but dont you miss the s-pen ??
and how is the camera quality on CM12 ?
I know on my S3 it was horrible on cyanogenmod roms becouse they did not have acces to all the samsung drivers

Brava27 said:
Absolutely. You won't regret it.
Sent from the first Samsung Galaxy ever
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Yeah, never have before, this is the first time I have ever had a second thought.
filthydani112 said:
I can't give up on my S-PEN
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That's my main issue, I use it so often, and the air command alone is so darn useful, but I probably won't use a custom rom, just want to customize the stock rom and keep all the cool samsungness.
zurkx said:
rooting impairs a huge amount of functionality.
you lose warranty permanently.
you lose knox permanently.
your dual personality phone is now single personality.
you lose knox apps like knox email which are better than regular samsung email.
you lose policy enforcement.
you lose hidden Gallery and hidden SNote.
you lose knox tracking and knox remote wipe.
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All good points to consider, I'm not so concerned with all of these points right now though, I just want access, not so much a custom rom, but what do you mean by dual/single personality?

Eddster3000 said:
If you root you WILL trip Knox. I read a discussion about whether Knox is a physical or coded fuse and i think the general thought is that it is physical so once its tripped it xan only be reset by having the mainboard changed.
However lollipop should just be around the corner so you could just wait a few more weeks (purely a guess at release date) and get ota and then root.
There is a stock ROM available which just has root access and no other changes if you want to stay close to stock but want xposed but it depends what model you have.
I believe there is also an xposed module that hides your root that makes ota think that you haven't rooted so you can still get them. I rooted my Note straight away and tried several ROMs and at the moment I'm on CM12 and its fantastic.
Sent from my SM-N910F using XDA Free mobile app
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dicko101 said:
Yeah, never have before, this is the first time I have ever had a second thought.
That's my main issue, I use it so often, and the air command alone is so darn useful, but I probably won't use a custom rom, just want to customize the stock rom and keep all the cool samsungness.
All good points to consider, I'm not so concerned with all of these points right now though, I just want access, not so much a custom rom, but what do you mean by dual/single personality?
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same here man, i really dont know if i should root it or not.. been using the phone 2 months now. and its good.. but you just know it could be better if you root it

Can somebody please tell me what happens to the Picture I have saved in private mode once I root my phone.. Also will I be able to activate private mode again once I unroot?

dicko101 said:
All good points to consider, I'm not so concerned with all of these points right now though, I just want access, not so much a custom rom, but what do you mean by dual/single personality?
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dual personality is when you use your phone for business/private banking/buying stuff. knox keeps certain applications hidden from the main system so that even if someone manages to get a virus on your phone your banking information and business emails are safe. they run in a dual personality or second phone behind the first one. for example i have a bunch of email accounts i use for normal personal stuff - which i use the front note 4 personality for and a business email account i use for business stuff in the second personality. its like two phones in one with different apps/accounts/everything.

sastheayubian said:
Can somebody please tell me what happens to the Picture I have saved in private mode once I root my phone.. Also will I be able to activate private mode again once I unroot?
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It will be lost. Once KONX is tripped, your KNOX container will be automatically erased.

So u mean I permanently lose private mode once I tipped Knox?

dicko101 said:
..... I really only want to root just for Xposed mods....
.... OTA update to Lollipop (if that ever happens)...
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Today Xposed only work with dalvik and when lollipop will come it will work with art
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zurkx said:
rooting impairs a huge amount of functionality.
you lose warranty permanently.
you lose knox permanently.
your dual personality phone is now single personality.
you lose knox apps like knox email which are better than regular samsung email.
you lose policy enforcement.
you lose hidden Gallery and hidden SNote.
you lose knox tracking and knox remote wipe.
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Haha knox is completely useless to everyone.
Sent from the first Samsung Galaxy ever

Brava27 said:
Haha knox is completely useless to everyone.
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completely useless to you because you have never used it. i spend around 70% of my phone time in knox so its not useless to me.
why even buy a $900 note 4 if youre going to permanently remove half its functionality ? you can get a fake note 4 for $160 and root it instead.

zurkx said:
completely useless to you because you have never used it. i spend around 70% of my phone time in knox so its not useless to me.
why even buy a $900 note 4 if youre going to permanently remove half its functionality ? you can get a fake note 4 for $160 and root it instead.
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Knox is for paranoid users. What does Knox do again? "protect you"? Please
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Brava27 said:
Knox is for paranoid users. What does Knox do again? "protect you"? Please
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it keeps my private stuff private. yes it does protect me against unauthorized use. you may not value privacy but some of us use our phones for work and not as toys.

zurkx said:
it keeps my private stuff private. yes it does protect me against unauthorized use. you may not value privacy but some of us use our phones for work and not as toys.
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Then why are you on xda if you cannot develop anything on your non rooted phone?
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