Hi everybody!!
This is the f*****g **** of Samsung!! They included a poopy eFUSE-Chip which ****s up the device so you can pay the fixing because the warranty will break if you change things on device!! -.-
I think about sending back the device before it's too late.
How about you? Are you angry too?
Greetz..
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TheRealFelix0212 said:
I think about sending back the device before it's too late.
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I feel your pain. I don't understand why the boys over at Sammy would include this. Everywhere i read about the eFUSE and the Knox flag, it's permanent. Non reversible. Mostly for business security use (i believe).
Honestly, I don't want to turn this thread into a "I Hate My Note 3", however i'm saving my box, with all my documentation, and planning to return my Note 3, and hold off for the upcoming 32gb, 3000mh version of the Nexus 5.
So when I flash a custom firmware, the eFUSE will get another code and will turn to R/O permanently right? Or does it hardbrick the device?
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What i've been thinking of is someone or some group which may or may not look deeper into this situation of the eFUSE / KNOX relation. The guys at f0f may definitely do have the required knowledge. But they seem to be more associated with game consoles than mobile devices. It just would be a surprise if someone of them like marcan could look further into this and find a solution for private consumers.
It's for the reason that i for myself are a private consumer and no "business guy". I didn't even knew Sammy included this piece of hardware & "innovation" *cough* into the final device and even is planning to include it afterwards into devices via OTA that have been on the market for over half a year now.
So the main reason is that private consumers are the ones who use ROOT for most of the time. They want to do what they want with the hardware they just spent their money for. Why or even what for does a business man require ROOT access? I can't get the point of this.
At this time it's just frustrating and further more unbelievable that Sammy wasn't this clever to let customers choose the way they wanna use their phones - for example by selecting "private" or "business" mode when setting up the device.
This was a very bad decision by Sammy IMO. If they would even have made clear what we are going to do if we kinda fiddle around with ROOT on the Note 3...
Sorry, could someone explain what eFuse and Knox do and why it's a bad thing?
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Sorry, could someone explain what eFuse and Knox do and why it's a bad thing?
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First off, even though samsung decided to use the eFUSE they aren't the ones that put the eFUSE in the phone. That would be qualcomm, it is a feature of their snapdragon processors and it is integrated into damn near every programmable silicon on the market. An eFUSE is a piece of memory built into the processor that CAN BE WRITTEN TO ONLY ONCE AND ONLY TO THE 1 STATE. This is a physical occurrence. The silicon inside the processor physically changes when the flag is set to 1, that means this will NEVER EVER BE REVERSIBLE. With that being said, there is a decently good chance that devs might be able to find a way to flash a custom bootloader that doesn't check for the eFUSE and won't trip the eFUSE when custom roms are run. if your eFuse is tripped, you are never going to be able to reset it, you will never be able to use KNOX again and samsung will always be able to find out if it is tripped.
Now to actually answer your question, KNOX is a security feature built into touchwiz that allows corporate email and other things. The eFUSE is a way for KNOX to detect if there was a tampering attempt and lock down KNOX to keep information secure. fundamentally KNOX needs the eFUSE because it needs to always make sure there was no tampering. It is a wonderfully amazing thing for corporate IT but a terrible thing for consumers. For example, i am sure companies like swappa and others will pay you far less for your used phone if the eFUSE is tripped.
But your phone is fully usable if it's tampered?
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But your phone is fully usable if it's tampered?
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Mostly usable, KNOX will not work. There is a possibility that OTA's may not work but I doubt they will do that.
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First off, even though samsung decided to use the eFUSE they aren't the ones that put the eFUSE in the phone. That would be qualcomm, it is a feature of their snapdragon processors and it is integrated into damn near every programmable silicon on the market. An eFUSE is a piece of memory built into the processor that CAN BE WRITTEN TO ONLY ONCE AND ONLY TO THE 1 STATE. This is a physical occurrence. The silicon inside the processor physically changes when the flag is set to 1, that means this will NEVER EVER BE REVERSIBLE. With that being said, there is a decently good chance that devs might be able to find a way to flash a custom bootloader that doesn't check for the eFUSE and won't trip the eFUSE when custom roms are run. if your eFuse is tripped, you are never going to be able to reset it, you will never be able to use KNOX again and samsung will always be able to find out if it is tripped.
Now to actually answer your question, KNOX is a security feature built into touchwiz that allows corporate email and other things. The eFUSE is a way for KNOX to detect if there was a tampering attempt and lock down KNOX to keep information secure. fundamentally KNOX needs the eFUSE because it needs to always make sure there was no tampering. It is a wonderfully amazing thing for corporate IT but a terrible thing for consumers. For example, i am sure companies like swappa and others will pay you far less for your used phone if the eFUSE is tripped.
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Good description.
Business not only wants this, it needs this. You try dealing with BYOD in a large company now days.... The alternative, is that you can't and need two phones, one for business and one for personal.
If OTA don't work we have Odin I think?
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If OTA don't work we have Odin I think?
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Yep ODIN will work if they ruin OTA's for us. It is kind of the same as when you root your phone they sometimes stop allowing OTA's because of a "modified" device.
krelvinaz said:
Good description.
Business not only wants this, it needs this. You try dealing with BYOD in a large company now days.... The alternative, is that you can't and need two phones, one for business and one for personal.
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The one thing I have to say is that they probably could have implemented KNOX without the eFUSE but I am not sure how much security it would lose. Root is a powerful thing....
But flashing custom rom does not brick the device right?
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So it won't have a possibility of Breaking the device then? Just a case of no warranty?
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I rooted my note 3 n9005 as soon as I got it with cf autoroot. Knox flag changed to 0x1 obviously, but I never installed Knox when I first got my phone, I flashed a pre- rooted official stock rom from xda first then found out an OTA update of around 30mb was released for my original rom for fixes and bugs, I downloaded the exact September released official rom for my phone and flashed it through Odin (losing root), factory reseted the device and I was able to get the October OTA update through phone. After updating I used cf autoroot again now I have the current updated official rom rooted. So it's possible to get OTA when the Knox is flagged. Not sure of custom roms yet coz I haven't tried any custom roms. i just needed root and I'm ok with stock rom. Just worried about the efuse issue of hardware malfunctioning im hearing about and whether the number of times flashing roms through Odin will trigger the blow of efuse or not. So far no issues all working fine, i hope nothing should go wrong since I lost my warranty the second I rooted it.
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Mostly usable, KNOX will not work. There is a possibility that OTA's may not work but I doubt they will do that.
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Someone said that full (pre-boot) device encryption wasn't working on a KNOX flagged device. I haven't confirmed it, though.
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I've seen people mention that they are prompted to install KNOX. Is this true? Can you say no and go on without it? Will that hold any advantage later when it comes to the boot loader and custom roms (specifically AT&T and other locked versions). Thanks.
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I had asked designgears about this a couple days ago and he replied with this:
You are right about what Knox is, it is a container. Saying no on startup simply turns it off in the OS, no flags are changed. If you flash a custom kernel or recovery, the flags will be tripped, also flashing an old official firmware will trip them.
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So you won't trip the efuse by saying no to KNOX, but you won't have access to the container. Whether you can re-enable or allow it later on, I don't know, but I'd imagine you could.
skadude66 said:
I had asked designgears about this a couple days ago and he replied with this:
So you won't trip the efuse by saying no to KNOX, but you won't have access to the container. Whether you can re-enable or allow it later on, I don't know, but I'd imagine you could.
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Thanks for the information. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Honestly, I wish we had a choice in the matter. Still, it's not as bad as Apple (yet). Can't wait to see KNOXBreaks. Call it Gold Thief?
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Thanks for the information. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Honestly, I wish we had a choice in the matter. Still, it's not as bad as Apple (yet). Can't wait to see KNOXBreaks. Call it Gold Thief?
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It's really just the e-fuse that is frustrating to me. I think there's always a possibility of people finding a way to reset the fuse, only time will tell.
Yes, you can, I never install it as I no need it.
Does this mean if I never install it, I can root my phone and then succesfully NOT trip any flags if I need to unroot it later for any warranty work?
Thanks for anyone that can clarify this simple question for me!
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Does this mean if I never install it, I can root my phone and then succesfully NOT trip any flags if I need to unroot it later for any warranty work?
Thanks for anyone that can clarify this simple question for me!
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Yes and no. From what I've understood, you can deny KNOX, but flashing any custom firmware or root files will still trip the flag, but some devs might be able to circumvent that. We'll have to wait and see!
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Yes and no. From what I've understood, you can deny KNOX, but flashing any custom firmware or root files will still trip the flag, but some devs might be able to circumvent that. We'll have to wait and see!
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G damn handset manufacturers and their locked down ****e. I'd love to see a Raspberry Pi style phone. Open, decent specs and very easy to develop for and mod.
There seems to be a number of components to Knox aswell. On my phone I did not install it however there was still a Knox process running in the background and idling at about 10% CPU!
I have since rooted my phone and frozen all Knox components and the idle CPU usage looks much better
YES! I've used the search until my head started to spin and got no real answer to this.
I've read and read about the "Knox thing" and that it trips the flag, and so did it on my phone when I did an upgrade.
How how does tripping the Knox affect my phone?
In what way does it change it?
I know, you have no warranty, but that is always a risk you have to take with any phone/hacking. That is my decision to take.
But any REAL implications? I tried to read and read up about it and I don't see the "thing" with it?
I read and read posts about how to not trip it so I really wonder if it does something that affects the phone in a negative sense?
Does it hinder me to have root and load custom roms?
Does it hinder me in side-loading things?
What does this damn flag really do with the phone???
I read that I can't downgrade my roms from 4.2.2 to an older version but then, why should I?
I want the newest, coolest, best roms that I can get here by the amazing devs!
When I had my HTC One X I had to register on HTC-Dev to get a key to unlock the phone, so I knew what I was doing.
I was breaking the warranty and I was willingly doing that because I wanted to have custom roms.
I like to hack around and I soft-bricked more phones and times then I can remember.
In the Samsung world there is/was the Triangle away since Samsung has the counter for how many times you flashed
(but it doesn't seem to affect the phone in anyway, as far as I have read or does it?). So you might have been a bit spoiled
If this is "just" about warranty then I read that some tripped it with a normal Kies upgrade so I doesn't seem perfect.
Please, enlighten me. I can't find any good answers on this.
As a matter of fact I actually will get a new S4 soon and I'm very curious what firmware it will contain?
And this is why - Off-topic (I tend to be that).
I got a post-anesthetic amnesia after a surgery. What they told me was that I tried to start up my phone but it didn't want too (BAD Foxdoggie! )
so I threw it in the wall 2 times and then I broke it in half when they forbid me to throw it anymore.
No recollection at all, but I wish I had since breaking a phone in 2 parts isn't something you do every day
The insurance company wanted me to send in the phone for repairs and it was in at least 512 parts.
Was quite fun to go to the store and ask them to send it to service. :laugh:
Btw, keep away from the glass if it breaks! It gets razor sharp. The next day I have to pull out micro-parts from my hands that was lodged in the skin and my hands was cut all over, but then I'm good with a scalpel
So again, can someone please explain to me the negative implications of Knox?
If there are anything that will make my phone function in worse way I will make a formal complaint to Samsung here in Sweden since
I didn't buy a car to find that after a routine service, suddenly had the speed limited to 70 km/h...
I talked to my phone-company and they didn't knew what Knox was? AT ALL.
He just told me to use Triangle Away if it would break (or the same if I would jail-break my iPhone)!
So you even get instructions on what to do to make it "look" ok from your own provider since they are so well aware that people hack/root their phones.
Someone said in a post that only 1% root/jailbreak. I call that bull. But I think that more people jailbreak their iPhones then root their Androids.
But 1%? Just the fact that your cell-provider informs you how to "restore" your phone (and even asked me what rom I'm using!?!).
So maybe hard-core freaks are 1% but "normal" rooters/jailbreakers are way way way more.
It's the same with internet. Right now I have 500 Mbit and do the provider REALLY think I use that to browse Facebook faster?
So they all play a double game. At least in Sweden but I think that is quite universal?
This is my first Samsung. I'm a HTC-guy and if this Knox hinders me while other companies open up theirs instead, it will be my last.
I got a great deal on this phone and thought that since Samsung has the largest base it would be nice to see the awsome devs here.
And WOW. I was not wrong
Btw, Foxie, I love your rom, but it's just not post-surgery safe. You should add that as a warning
/Absie
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Did you not spot the KNOX sticky? All questions and answers to your questions in there.
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Did you not spot the KNOX sticky? All questions and answers to your questions in there.
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Yes, I have. It's kind of messy and is still not answering the my question.
Yes, I have read the Samsung page. I'll continue in the "real thread".
I just want to know.
Can I flash roms, can I gain root, can I load apps like before? I don't give a duck about the corp stuff. I just want to continue to flash my device and be happy with it
/Absie
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Yes, I have. It's kind of messy and is still not answering the my question.
Yes, I have read the Samsung page. I'll continue in the "real thread".
I just want to know.
Can I flash roms, can I gain root, can I load apps like before? I don't give a duck about the corp stuff. I just want to continue to flash my device and be happy with it
/Absie
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well as far as i know you can do all that as long as you don't care about the warranty, but root apps might nor work as they should(or may not work at all).
i could be wrong about all this
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nikzDHD said:
Did you not spot the KNOX sticky? All questions and answers to your questions in there.
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negrobembon said:
well as far as i know you can do all that as long as you don't care about the warranty, but root apps might nor work as they should(or may not work at all).
i could be wrong about all this
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I just continued here to avoid comments about my sight... :cyclops:
(I did, didn't had a clear answer. Asked here. Wooboo. Will never do that again. Promise. )
KNOX is a security feature enabled by Samsung for corporate things. Does a normal end user need it probably not and should be an option. However Samsugn decided to roll it out to all phones regardless.
If you have a KNOX enabled handset, you can do as you please, root, install custom recovery, flash roms, flash kernels, however it will disable KNOX and will set the KNOX couneter to 0x1, once this is done you can not reverse it.
As an effect to warranty, it's probably country dependent. There is a warranty thread, some users have sent their phones in once KNOX has been tripped and phones have been repaired.
My note 4 is a few days old. I want to root but im afraid i would void the waranty because of knox. I need to root inorder to fix the ext sd card write issue.
Any suggestions?
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Don't think there is anyway to root without tripping knox anymore. It's just upto people's personal choice whether root is worth tripping knox
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Don't think there is anyway to root without tripping knox anymore. It's just upto people's personal choice whether root is worth tripping knox
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so i guess i remove the note 4 from my list..
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so i guess i remove the note 4 from my list..
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planning on using a Nexus? ZTE? Cuz thats about all the OEMS that don't have some kind of setup that allows the OEM to know when you've rooted.
yes , nexus best thing ever, i don't know, i only care about the root, not custom roms but the customrom support is good
+. the sdcard issues
With Sammy adopting qmg in the note4 I think theming is going to be nigh on impossible till someone creates a converter
or themeing gets built directly into a custom rom..
Don't think you will be able to build theming into a custom tw rom with qmg but there's far more talanted themers than me on xda
not rooting is kinda impossible for me now
not being able to change game files, fixing sd card issue, ect, i miss old android
Knox isn't as important for most of us thankfully
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Knox isn't as important for most of us thankfully
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Correct. Unfortunately, tripping Knox will void warranty.
LegoFarmer said:
Correct. Unfortunately, tripping Knox will void warranty.
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i am always shocked to still read this with as many threads there are all over XDA about Knox generally NOT voiding warranty and Sammy will still repair hardware related issues even after you trip Knox. a few of the threads have conversations posted where Sammy rep even acknowledges they will fix it even with tripped Knox.
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i am always shocked to still read this with as many threads there are all over XDA about Knox generally NOT voiding warranty and Sammy will still repair hardware related issues even after you trip Knox. a few of the threads have conversations posted where Sammy rep even acknowledges they will fix it even with tripped Knox.
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Hmm. Did not know that... Looks like the Note 4 is back in the air, or I wait for the HTC One M9
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i am always shocked to still read this with as many threads there are all over XDA about Knox generally NOT voiding warranty and Sammy will still repair hardware related issues even after you trip Knox. a few of the threads have conversations posted where Sammy rep even acknowledges they will fix it even with tripped Knox.
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Yes, it's the rumor that won't die. Tripping Knox has nothing to do with hardware failure.
Hence why unless you really need knox for whatever purpose then it's not an issue.
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Yes, it's the rumor that won't die. Tripping Knox has nothing to do with hardware failure.
Hence why unless you really need knox for whatever purpose then it's not an issue.
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Then I may actually get the Note 4 like I previously intended. Am I the only one who worries about choosing the correct phone for an upgrade? Haha the M9, S6, and G4 rumors are all so promising but a good wait. Thus is the concept of progression.
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Then I may actually get the Note 4 like I previously intended. Am I the only one who worries about choosing the correct phone for an upgrade? Haha the M9, S6, and G4 rumors are all so promising but a good wait. Thus is the concept of progression.
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i never worry about upgrades. with a Note 4 in hand if for some bizarre reason i didnt like it or wanted something else you can easily make a swap on Craigslist for what you want. never had a problem getting what i wanted without having to spend much.
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i never worry about upgrades. with a Note 4 in hand if for some bizarre reason i didnt like it or wanted something else you can easily make a swap on Craigslist for what you want. never had a problem getting what i wanted without having to spend much.
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The main thing I hate to lose with the Note 4 is custom ROMs and probably lack of theming options
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My note 4 is a few days old. I want to root but im afraid i would void the waranty because of knox. I need to root inorder to fix the ext sd card write issue.
Any suggestions?
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Root cloak try it [emoji41]
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planning on using a Nexus? ZTE? Cuz thats about all the OEMS that don't have some kind of setup that allows the OEM to know when you've rooted.
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not rooting is kinda impossible for me now
not being able to change game files, fixing sd card issue, ect, i miss old android
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Well knox as per me was creates to block rooting of Samsung phones as there surely as of now is going to void your warranty if you root the phone..not sure why Samsung is going this way though as people who know about android would know what all can happen I.e. good and the bad once the phone is rooted..
So Samsung..please let the users choose their preference
in the near future when the phone is out longer there should be ways to put knox count to 0 and return to factory stock .
I know it's probably been asked a thousand times, and it's probably a matter of opinion, but I want some input before rooting my note 4. I have rooted every android device I have ever owned, in most cases before they even got warm, but for some reason I'm hesitant With this one, I love it as it is, and I mostly like touchwiz but I put up with its limitations because I like the few perks that the stock launcher provides over an alternative launcher, I really only want to root just for Xposed mods and various root applications, I can't see myself flashing a custom rom anytime soon, unless someone works out how to implement all of the Samsung hardware features. My main concern at the moment I suppose is warranty and OTA update to Lollipop (if that ever happens), I know you can just get the stock rom/image when it's available but I would prefer OTA, at least for the first upgrade to lollipop. can you root but still keep the stock recovery? Can you root without tripping knox? Is there some sort of fuse like there was in the S4 (and I presume the S5,never had one), is it hard to un root?, any other downsides to rooting the note 4?
If you root you WILL trip Knox. I read a discussion about whether Knox is a physical or coded fuse and i think the general thought is that it is physical so once its tripped it xan only be reset by having the mainboard changed.
However lollipop should just be around the corner so you could just wait a few more weeks (purely a guess at release date) and get ota and then root.
There is a stock ROM available which just has root access and no other changes if you want to stay close to stock but want xposed but it depends what model you have.
I believe there is also an xposed module that hides your root that makes ota think that you haven't rooted so you can still get them. I rooted my Note straight away and tried several ROMs and at the moment I'm on CM12 and its fantastic.
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If you root you WILL trip Knox. I read a discussion about whether Knox is a physical or coded fuse and i think the general thought is that it is physical so once its tripped it xan only be reset by having the mainboard changed.
However lollipop should just be around the corner so you could just wait a few more weeks (purely a guess at release date) and get ota and then root.
There is a stock ROM available which just has root access and no other changes if you want to stay close to stock but want xposed but it depends what model you have.
I believe there is also an xposed module that hides your root that makes ota think that you haven't rooted so you can still get them. I rooted my Note straight away and tried several ROMs and at the moment I'm on CM12 and its fantastic.
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Thanks Eddster3000, yeah I remember looking into it a fair bit with my S4 and I think it was generally accepted that knox was a hardware fuse, I ended up rooting and updating the bootloader anyway. I was running CM12 on my S4 and loving it, I have always been a fan of Samsung hardware functionality but I stuck with CM12 anyway because it was so good, in this case though I think I'll miss the S pen features and a couple of other things, so I'll probably hold off for a little while I think, if someone came up with dual boot like the patcher for S4 that would probably tip me towards rooting. I have the telstra model, SM-N910G, I don't know how much telstra will interfere with the update process, only time will tell I suppose.
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rooting impairs a huge amount of functionality.
you lose warranty permanently.
you lose knox permanently.
your dual personality phone is now single personality.
you lose knox apps like knox email which are better than regular samsung email.
you lose policy enforcement.
you lose hidden Gallery and hidden SNote.
you lose knox tracking and knox remote wipe.
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rooting impairs a huge amount of functionality.
you lose warranty permanently.
you lose knox permanently.
your dual personality phone is now single personality.
you lose knox apps like knox email which are better than regular samsung email.
you lose policy enforcement.
you lose hidden Gallery and hidden SNote.
you lose knox tracking and knox remote wipe.
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And rooting provides 100 times more functionality then you lose. Really, what percentage of people actually can't live without Knox?
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If you root you WILL trip Knox. I read a discussion about whether Knox is a physical or coded fuse and i think the general thought is that it is physical so once its tripped it xan only be reset by having the mainboard changed.
However lollipop should just be around the corner so you could just wait a few more weeks (purely a guess at release date) and get ota and then root.
There is a stock ROM available which just has root access and no other changes if you want to stay close to stock but want xposed but it depends what model you have.
I believe there is also an xposed module that hides your root that makes ota think that you haven't rooted so you can still get them. I rooted my Note straight away and tried several ROMs and at the moment I'm on CM12 and its fantastic.
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I really like CM roms, allways used them on my other devices.
but dont you miss the s-pen ??
and how is the camera quality on CM12 ?
I know on my S3 it was horrible on cyanogenmod roms becouse they did not have acces to all the samsung drivers
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Yeah, never have before, this is the first time I have ever had a second thought.
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I can't give up on my S-PEN
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That's my main issue, I use it so often, and the air command alone is so darn useful, but I probably won't use a custom rom, just want to customize the stock rom and keep all the cool samsungness.
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rooting impairs a huge amount of functionality.
you lose warranty permanently.
you lose knox permanently.
your dual personality phone is now single personality.
you lose knox apps like knox email which are better than regular samsung email.
you lose policy enforcement.
you lose hidden Gallery and hidden SNote.
you lose knox tracking and knox remote wipe.
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All good points to consider, I'm not so concerned with all of these points right now though, I just want access, not so much a custom rom, but what do you mean by dual/single personality?
Eddster3000 said:
If you root you WILL trip Knox. I read a discussion about whether Knox is a physical or coded fuse and i think the general thought is that it is physical so once its tripped it xan only be reset by having the mainboard changed.
However lollipop should just be around the corner so you could just wait a few more weeks (purely a guess at release date) and get ota and then root.
There is a stock ROM available which just has root access and no other changes if you want to stay close to stock but want xposed but it depends what model you have.
I believe there is also an xposed module that hides your root that makes ota think that you haven't rooted so you can still get them. I rooted my Note straight away and tried several ROMs and at the moment I'm on CM12 and its fantastic.
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dicko101 said:
Yeah, never have before, this is the first time I have ever had a second thought.
That's my main issue, I use it so often, and the air command alone is so darn useful, but I probably won't use a custom rom, just want to customize the stock rom and keep all the cool samsungness.
All good points to consider, I'm not so concerned with all of these points right now though, I just want access, not so much a custom rom, but what do you mean by dual/single personality?
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same here man, i really dont know if i should root it or not.. been using the phone 2 months now. and its good.. but you just know it could be better if you root it
Can somebody please tell me what happens to the Picture I have saved in private mode once I root my phone.. Also will I be able to activate private mode again once I unroot?
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All good points to consider, I'm not so concerned with all of these points right now though, I just want access, not so much a custom rom, but what do you mean by dual/single personality?
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dual personality is when you use your phone for business/private banking/buying stuff. knox keeps certain applications hidden from the main system so that even if someone manages to get a virus on your phone your banking information and business emails are safe. they run in a dual personality or second phone behind the first one. for example i have a bunch of email accounts i use for normal personal stuff - which i use the front note 4 personality for and a business email account i use for business stuff in the second personality. its like two phones in one with different apps/accounts/everything.
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Can somebody please tell me what happens to the Picture I have saved in private mode once I root my phone.. Also will I be able to activate private mode again once I unroot?
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It will be lost. Once KONX is tripped, your KNOX container will be automatically erased.
So u mean I permanently lose private mode once I tipped Knox?
dicko101 said:
..... I really only want to root just for Xposed mods....
.... OTA update to Lollipop (if that ever happens)...
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Today Xposed only work with dalvik and when lollipop will come it will work with art
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zurkx said:
rooting impairs a huge amount of functionality.
you lose warranty permanently.
you lose knox permanently.
your dual personality phone is now single personality.
you lose knox apps like knox email which are better than regular samsung email.
you lose policy enforcement.
you lose hidden Gallery and hidden SNote.
you lose knox tracking and knox remote wipe.
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Haha knox is completely useless to everyone.
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Brava27 said:
Haha knox is completely useless to everyone.
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completely useless to you because you have never used it. i spend around 70% of my phone time in knox so its not useless to me.
why even buy a $900 note 4 if youre going to permanently remove half its functionality ? you can get a fake note 4 for $160 and root it instead.
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completely useless to you because you have never used it. i spend around 70% of my phone time in knox so its not useless to me.
why even buy a $900 note 4 if youre going to permanently remove half its functionality ? you can get a fake note 4 for $160 and root it instead.
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Knox is for paranoid users. What does Knox do again? "protect you"? Please
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Brava27 said:
Knox is for paranoid users. What does Knox do again? "protect you"? Please
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it keeps my private stuff private. yes it does protect me against unauthorized use. you may not value privacy but some of us use our phones for work and not as toys.
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it keeps my private stuff private. yes it does protect me against unauthorized use. you may not value privacy but some of us use our phones for work and not as toys.
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Then why are you on xda if you cannot develop anything on your non rooted phone?
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My main reason not rooting it yet was that i was thinking to sell it to get a Note 5.. but after the show yesterday i am dissapointed i think i dont want to move on to the Note 5 because of the non sd card slot and non removable battery , design and obviously no big difference its the same sh##t as the s6...
I am little bit afraid because my old S3 one day suddenly stopped working and the motherboard was burned, but i have flashed many roms etc ... i dont wanna flash any roms in my Note 4 .
soooooooooo.......Should i root it now?
or is there any other phone that i can buy with simillar features? i really want the fingerprint scanner from the s6
OK to root but avoid playing with your CPU/GPU voltages and overclocking to avoid repeat of what happened to your S3.
For me, rooting is essential as I like installing mods.
You just have to live with tripped knox counter.
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I keep think about rooting mine if for any other reason to stop damn ads! I think the back up options are better (Titanium) but apart from that you cant get around most shortcomings via other means. The other reason and the main one I didn't is that skygo doesn't work if rooted.
I can live with my Note 4 until the LG G4 pro comes out Sept/Oct time....I'm bored of it but nothing better is available and like you, the note 5 isn't an upgrade to waste a ton of money on!
I just shifted a load of apps to sd and it seems a tad slicker. Also stopped a few apps I don't use.
If i root will i be receiving OTA updates?
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patriotaki said:
If i root will i be receiving OTA updates?
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I think NO
will the root block OTA updates? IF i root my Note 4 and change the font files from system will this void it? because according to this article it doesnt block it?
http://galaxy-note-3.wonderhowto.co...or-more-popular-google-ios-icon-sets-0156105/
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My main reason not rooting it yet was that i was thinking to sell it to get a Note 5.. but after the show yesterday i am dissapointed i think i dont want to move on to the Note 5 because of the non sd card slot and non removable battery , design and obviously no big difference its the same sh##t as the s6...
I am little bit afraid because my old S3 one day suddenly stopped working and the motherboard was burned, but i have flashed many roms etc ... i dont wanna flash any roms in my Note 4 .
soooooooooo.......Should i root it now?
or is there any other phone that i can buy with simillar features? i really want the fingerprint scanner from the s6
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I'm in your same situation, but I have decided not to root it until the warranty is expired, or I have resold it anyway (assuming something better appears for me). I rooted the previous Note after the warranty expired, and I might do the same for this one as well if I don't get any new phone in the meantime and resell this.
elevul said:
I'm in your same situation, but I have decided not to root it until the warranty is expired, or I have resold it anyway (assuming something better appears for me). I rooted the previous Note after the warranty expired, and I might do the same for this one as well if I don't get any new phone in the meantime and resell this.
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uhhh... dont know what to do !!! Is there anyway i can reset knox counter?
patriotaki said:
uhhh... dont know what to do !!! Is there anyway i can reset knox counter?
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No.
Is there any way i can root my Note 4 and NOT lose the Private Mode and also get OTA updates??
What does the KNOX counter really do ? Also if i decide to unroot is there any way to reset KNOX counter?
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patriotaki said:
Is there any way i can root my Note 4 and NOT lose the Private Mode and also get OTA updates??
What does the KNOX counter really do ? Also if i decide to unroot is there any way to reset KNOX counter?
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Not sure about private mode, but if you just root you should receive the OTA updates (though you'll have to re-root after every update).
When you first root the efuse is physically triggered, after which the only way to reset back to 0 is to go to the Samsung center and make them change it (unsure if they have to change the whole electronic board or they resolder a new efuse on the board).
Issue is, for Enterprise customers they change it for $10 a phone, but as far as I know they don't do this for end users, and if they do it would cost way more and the warranty on the phone would be permanently invalidated.
Oh, one warning: if you have Knox Security enabled DO NOT ROOT before you disable it. You'll find yourself with a brick.
No, No, and NO.
Knox can not be 0x0 ever again.
Read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Knox
As far as the OTA goes, I think you will be able to get it (as long as you don't have custom recovery installed) I think this is the case.. But then again, I am not sure about it..
I personally, do root all of my phones. The main thing is to install addaway to get rid of anoying adds.
If the motherboard dies, there is no way to know that the knox was tripped..
elevul said:
Not sure about private mode, but if you just root you should receive the OTA updates (though you'll have to re-root after every update).
When you first root the efuse is physically triggered, after which the only way to reset back to 0 is to go to the Samsung center and make them change it (unsure if they have to change the whole electronic board or they resolder a new efuse on the board).
Issue is, for Enterprise customers they change it for $10 a phone, but as far as I know they don't do this for end users, and if they do it would cost way more and the warranty on the phone would be permanently invalidated.
Oh, one warning: if you have Knox Security enabled DO NOT ROOT before you disable it. You'll find yourself with a brick.
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I unenrolled my device from my knox through the my knox portal is it safe now to root it? I dont have my knox installed
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A thread on this already exists here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/root-note-4-t3176164
Please continue this discussion there
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