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Galaxy S5 (SM-G900) - ROOT - Will I loose everything?!

I've been reading THIS thread and was wondering.. If I ROOT my Galaxy S5 will I loose everything?
If not.. What will I loose?
Also, I've never rooted a device before, Just wanting to know a couple of things..
Is it safe?
How complex is it?
What will I loose?
Can I 'De-Root'?
Thanks.

NextGenUpdate_Cpt.S said:
I've been reading THIS thread and was wondering.. If I ROOT my Galaxy S5 will I loose everything?
If not.. What will I loose?
Also, I've never rooted a device before, Just wanting to know a couple of things..
Is it safe?
How complex is it?
What will I loose?
Can I 'De-Root'?
Thanks.
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Well, I have rooted many devices myself...but the S5, has a new security precaution that throws a code if you send in your phone. I forgot that its called, but basically it really voids your warranty FOR SURE. We use to be able to rest how many flashes we did, now not as easy. So if you think you need your warranty, DO NOT ROOT YET. Not safe if you have warranty....but they are working on a workaround.
Rooting isnt to hard if you READ INSTRUCTIONS COMPLETELY. Its pretty easy, but I say again, READ INSTRUCTIONS COMPLETELY! And as far as "what ROM would I use" question...thats alllllllll up to you. I say to each their own. Most ROMs are the same, just a couple of different boot or speed, but just find the one that fits you.
When you root, you dont loose anything. Its when you flash a new ROM is when you loose EVERYTHING. I suggest to back up everything with something like Super Backup or anything that will back up contacts, apps, call logs, ect. Again, to each their own on what app you use. I personally use Super Backup and it works for me all the time.
As I know from past phones I have rooted, YES you can de-root your phone, but when you do, you again have to wipe EVERYTHING and go back to stock. But remember, if you root RIGHT THIS MINUET...YOU WONT GET UPDATES OR ANYTHING BECAUSE OF THE KNOX SECURITY. So personally, I would wait till there's a work around....so you dont screw yourself.
Hope all this helps ya!!!

YoshiNurijumi said:
Well, I have rooted many devices myself...but the S5, has a new security precaution that throws a code if you send in your phone. I forgot that its called, but basically it really voids your warranty FOR SURE. We use to be able to rest how many flashes we did, now not as easy. So if you think you need your warranty, DO NOT ROOT YET. Not safe if you have warranty....but they are working on a workaround.
Rooting isnt to hard if you READ INSTRUCTIONS COMPLETELY. Its pretty easy, but I say again, READ INSTRUCTIONS COMPLETELY! And as far as "what ROM would I use" question...thats alllllllll up to you. I say to each their own. Most ROMs are the same, just a couple of different boot or speed, but just find the one that fits you.
When you root, you dont loose anything. Its when you flash a new ROM is when you loose EVERYTHING. I suggest to back up everything with something like Super Backup or anything that will back up contacts, apps, call logs, ect. Again, to each their own on what app you use. I personally use Super Backup and it works for me all the time.
As I know from past phones I have rooted, YES you can de-root your phone, but when you do, you again have to wipe EVERYTHING and go back to stock. But remember, if you root RIGHT THIS MINUET...YOU WONT GET UPDATES OR ANYTHING BECAUSE OF THE KNOX SECURITY. So personally, I would wait till there's a work around....so you dont screw yourself.
Hope all this helps ya!!!
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Thanks!
Well I watched this video (uPcEeMhlR_8 - YouTube) and it seem's simple enough.
The warrenty side, to be honest I'm not that fussed about.. If it comes to it I'm sure dropping the phone down some stairs and phoning the insurance would work?
The main reason that I'm wanting ROOT is a app I come across called Freedom? That allows free in app purchases?
Also, Will I loose anything on the device such as fingerprint scanning ect? When I was going to ROOT my S4 the thread I read said I wouldn't be able to use Air View (or something like that)
I'm not a total noob .. Just wanting to check a couple of things over first.

NextGenUpdate_Cpt.S said:
Thanks!
Well I watched this video (uPcEeMhlR_8 - YouTube) and it seem's simple enough.
The warrenty side, to be honest I'm not that fussed about.. If it comes to it I'm sure dropping the phone down some stairs and phoning the insurance would work?
The main reason that I'm wanting ROOT is a app I come across called Freedom? That allows free in app purchases?
Also, Will I loose anything on the device such as fingerprint scanning ect? When I was going to ROOT my S4 the thread I read said I wouldn't be able to use Air View (or something like that)
I'm not a total noob .. Just wanting to check a couple of things over first.
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Fingerprint scanning etc will not be affected by root and my previous phones, S, S3 and S4, didn't lose anything by rooting either. You can also use TA to set things back to official apart from Knox.
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sarbe said:
Fingerprint scanning etc will not be affected by root and my previous phones, S, S3 and S4, didn't lose anything by rooting either. You can also use TA to set things back to official apart from Knox.
Sent from my SM-G900F using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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Exactly what he said. You dont "lose" anything when ya root. You gain access to your ENTIRE phone when you gain root. Only when ya flash a ROM is when you lose things, but can get them back depending on the ROM.
As far as "paid apps" goes. We arent supposed to talk about that on the forum if I remember correctly...LOL...but check out APKGalaxy, pretty good app. ANDDDDD...as far as throwing it down some stairs and whatnot....Sometimes they can recover from that and see that your security was breached, but maybe Im wrong. Im just keeping an eye out for a safer way to root. But by all means, go for it!!!

YoshiNurijumi said:
Exactly what he said. You dont "lose" anything when ya root. You gain access to your ENTIRE phone when you gain root. Only when ya flash a ROM is when you lose things, but can get them back depending on the ROM.
As far as "paid apps" goes. We arent supposed to talk about that on the forum if I remember correctly...LOL...but check out APKGalaxy, pretty good app. ANDDDDD...as far as throwing it down some stairs and whatnot....Sometimes they can recover from that and see that your security was breached, but maybe Im wrong. Im just keeping an eye out for a safer way to root. But by all means, go for it!!!
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Thanks I'll take a look
Also, How do I go about re-booting?
I see a lot of app's about re-boot..
Will it break my phone if i turn it off and on OR reboot when its rooted?
(p.s its rooted now )

NextGenUpdate_Cpt.S said:
Thanks I'll take a look
Also, How do I go about re-booting?
I see a lot of app's about re-boot..
Will it break my phone if i turn it off and on OR reboot when its rooted?
(p.s its rooted now )
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No it won't break your phone, reboot to your hearts content.
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Warning about root

if you root this phone and trip knox fuse counter. you will NEVER EVER be able to use the great feature of MST through samsung pay.
My thoughts . since we have a non root hotspot and all bloatware (which isnt that much) can be disabled
the phone has so much customization incl uded i am not rooting the phone. the battery lasts 2 days easy with medium
use. no bugs at all i can find. what more can you ask for.
Remember Root no MST (mst is the ability to use the old card swipers at any location with the phone. it sends card you addeds magnetic strip info to the swiper )
UNLESS you can root without tripping the know counter. its unreversalble
carry on

First phone I've owned that I dont see myself rooting. I really like the Samsung Pay.

Yea I'm coming from the S6 and couldn't use it but enjoying Samsung Pay now

You don't have to worry about that. All US versions are locked down. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3327399

After 8 generations of HTC phones, I decided to try Samsung this year as M10 rumors were they were ditching Boomsound my favorite feature of the M phones. I felt edge was far superior this year at least based on the rumors which getting this close to launch are usually spot on. I was well aware that I was going to have to decide to trip knox or not if I wanted root. While there is more customization and control with Android 6 it still doesn't compare to having everything wide open, especially if you are use to S-OFF.
Is the trade off worth it? Well I think so at least right now, this device is superior to pretty much anything out at the moment. I'm already missing Xposed, Titanium Backup & AdAway. The lock down on these devices is just getting so bad, while I understand they shouldn't come rooted out of the box but give us a choice. We may not even have the option of tripping Knox at this point. Part of the reason I stayed with Sprint for so long is they were more friendly with unlocking phones then big red but everything seems to be going the wrong direction.
Even if root is granted, it will just be patched and it's only going to get more secure and difficult each generation. I guess we just might have to start accepting that this is just how it is. Kinda sad, I'm just so use to having it even back in the Windows Mobile days I was running custom roms.

v8dreaming said:
You don't have to worry about that. All US versions are locked down. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3327399
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No they are already rooted with custom kernels and roms deodexed and odexed

These boys dont.play

Yess of course

I'm fine removing Samsung Pay if I get the benefits of rooting.

Robalboa said:
Works on our phones http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3335727
ROM stock firmware Samsung Galaxy S7 EDGE SM-G935P ROOT TWRP Drivers
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I thought the bootloader was locked on all the carriers this year?

Someone give it a shot and let us know ?

Sim-X said:
I thought the bootloader was locked on all the carriers this year?
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It still has the unlock bootloader button in developer options just like the S6 had

Soooperstar said:
It still has the unlock bootloader button in developer options just like the S6 had
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Interesting, I'm not gonna go first I still haven't decided if I wanna trip knox or not if the bootloader is in fact able to be unlocked.

Robalboa said:
Works on our phones http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3335727
ROM stock firmware Samsung Galaxy S7 EDGE SM-G935P ROOT TWRP Drivers
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This link only shows 935F -- not 935P. Am I missing something?

nastypup said:
This link only shows 935F -- not 935P. Am I missing something?
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as stated above there a option to
unlock the bootloader in Dev options. im not sure all the details because i see no benefit to root right now but
they do have the phone rooted and they are modding kernels and system as wee speak. also custom recovery.
TWRP will inject root upon install and start up to reboot.
This is just a warning about root to anyone so they know the Deal with Samsung pay and MST
I do see it says 900f but theres numerous reports of it working on the 900P
you know these guys are flashaholics lol

Robalboa said:
as stated above there a option to
unlock the bootloader in Dev options. im not sure all the details because i see no benefit to root right now but
they do have the phone rooted and they are modding kernels and system as wee speak. also custom recovery.
TWRP will inject root upon install and start up to reboot.
This is just a warning about root to anyone so they know the Deal with Samsung pay and MST
I do see it says 900f but theres numerous reports of it working on the 900P
you know these guys are flashaholics lol
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Thanks for the tip! I'm a huge fan of custom roms and the prospect of xposed so I'm very much looking forward to rooting. I'll wait a little though for a more concrete path and at least a rom to flash.

Robalboa said:
as stated above there a option to
unlock the bootloader in Dev options. im not sure all the details because i see no benefit to root right now but
they do have the phone rooted and they are modding kernels and system as wee speak. also custom recovery.
TWRP will inject root upon install and start up to reboot.
This is just a warning about root to anyone so they know the Deal with Samsung pay and MST
I do see it says 900f but theres numerous reports of it working on the 900P
you know these guys are flashaholics lol
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I've never used Samsung Pay but I need a rooted phone to restore a ton of data. Stock ROM is adequate for me. I played with custom ROMs years ago and they were just a time suck. I was flashing them almost daily. The stock ROM is good as long as its rooted.

nastypup said:
I've never used Samsung Pay but I need a rooted phone to restore a ton of data. Stock ROM is adequate for me. I played with custom ROMs years ago and they were just a time suck. I was flashing them almost daily. The stock ROM is good as long as its rooted.
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Samsung pay is the only way to use MST or use ur phone for old card swipers. But thats your call

Samsung pay is useless to me. And as far as I can tell that's the only benefit to not rooting. I've read there are other benefits but that's the only one I've seen posted, Other than warranty.
To me; rooting is more beneficial. Removing advertising is the biggest. Then a basic debloated rom is second. Adding apps that are not usable on non-rooted phone would be my third reason.

nickmus said:
Samsung pay is useless to me. And as far as I can tell that's the only benefit to not rooting. I've read there are other benefits but that's the only one I've seen posted, Other than warranty.
To me; rooting is more beneficial. Removing advertising is the biggest. Then a basic debloated rom is second. Adding apps that are not usable on non-rooted phone would be my third reason.
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I'm kinda feeling the same way. Can't use Samsung Pay as a total replacement anyway and I just looked they don't even support Capital One cards at least yet anyway. That was one thing google did right back in the day with wallet, you could link any card. Still looks cool but ad block is one of the main reasons I root as well. I'm giving AdGaurd a shot (I use that on my desktop) and you can side load it to Android it creates a local VPN connection to the app to filter all traffic. Kinda annoying you always have a notification saying it's running also doesn't block youtube ads which Xposed worked awesome for that. I miss TI as well. Warranty void I feel so so about. S-OFF you could at least remove a tampered flag on an HTC although HTC would still have record of you doing a dev unlock token even if reset everything.

Simple Questions of an Android Noob

Hey guys,
I'm about to get my first Android Phone (S7 Edge, or Note 7, not sure yet).
Now i'm curious how itll work out.
I want to root my device as fast as possible, but want to maintain it mostly "stock".
Just to have the opened up phone and being able to install .apks (for reasons).
Which one is the best way to go?

VIERcntHOLZ said:
Hey guys,
I'm about to get my first Android Phone (S7 Edge, or Note 7, not sure yet).
Now i'm curious how itll work out.
I want to root my device as fast as possible, but want to maintain it mostly "stock".
Just to have the opened up phone and being able to install .apks (for reasons).
Which one is the best way to go?
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You can install all apks without rooting

arnes_king said:
You can install all apks without rooting
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True, you don't need root for that.
I'd even recommend to stay away from root if you're getting such expensive devices, otherwise Samsung (most probably) won't give you warranty repairs if something fails.

VIERcntHOLZ said:
Hey guys,
I'm about to get my first Android Phone (S7 Edge, or Note 7, not sure yet).
Now i'm curious how itll work out.
I want to root my device as fast as possible, but want to maintain it mostly "stock".
Just to have the opened up phone and being able to install .apks (for reasons).
Which one is the best way to go?
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At first, welcome to XDA.
Like the guys said before, you easily can install APK's without root but i recommend you, to root your phone.
There are many advantages with root, custom roms and custom kernels. The phone is much faster and smoother
and rooting or even flashing a device is really easy nowadays, it is nearly impossible to brick a Samsung device.
MisterKanister said:
Samsung (most probably) won't give you warranty repairs if something fails.
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That's not completly true. Samsung often gives warranty on hardware issues, whether the device is rooted or not!
Only if you have a software problem and the device is rooted, samsung will not give you warranty.

Redrockzz said:
At first, welcome to XDA.
That's not completly true. Samsung often gives warranty on hardware issues, whether the device is rooted or not!
Only if you have a software problem and the device is rooted, samsung will not give you warranty.
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It is true at least in some countries, as here in Austria Samsung won't even take your phone or return it immediately if they see it's rooted, no matter what defect your phone has (SW or HW). You can trust me 100% on that, been there, done that

MisterKanister said:
It is true at least in some countries, as here in Austria Samsung won't even take your phone or return it immediately if they see it's rooted, no matter what defect your phone has (SW or HW). You can trust me 100% on that, been there, done that
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+1. Same for Pakistan.
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uk user should i root

From what I gather Samsung pay over here is identical to Android pay.
I use Android pay daily.
Magisk can help with this
I'm wanting the camera mod and youtube ads away as the main bits.
Let me know

sutty86 said:
From what I gather Samsung pay over here is identical to Android pay.
I use Android pay daily.
Magisk can help with this
I'm wanting the camera mod and youtube ads away as the main bits.
Let me know
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If you don't care about tripping knox, go ahead. Otherwise don't do it.

Just hoping to find out it doesn't bugger anything else up

sutty86 said:
From what I gather Samsung pay over here is identical to Android pay.
I use Android pay daily.
Magisk can help with this
I'm wanting the camera mod and youtube ads away as the main bits.
Let me know
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I would say jump the gun and go root the phone. I dont know if the UK version is rootable myself but if it's possible, do it. You can have any other alternatives outside of samsung apps.

sutty86 said:
Just hoping to find out it doesn't bugger anything else up
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UK user here
do it, like all my other samsung phones the first thing i do when i unbox it is flash a custom rom
the only thing it will bugger up is Knox so stuff like secure folder, samsung pass, samsung pay etc wont work and of course your samsung warranty will be voided.
They were way too late with samsung Pay in the UK for me to wait especially when Android Pay is already out and easily handled with magisk ( i use it daily )
Enjoy

For the camera mod alone I wouldn't. It's irreversible. How important YouTube adaway is to you is your decision. I don't watch videos on my phone so...
Again, you can always root if something you really need comes along. But you can never go back. So if you're asking the question I'm inclined to say no.

Be aware if you are on Vodafone and have insurance rooting will invalidate any claims you make.i have rooted every phone I have owned
.........except my s8. I love her to much to invalidate her warranty by tripping Knox lol

Phone bought 2nd hand
So can't really take out insurance .

I think root is a no no and XDA should be removed from cyberspace or something.
Now seriously... If you want an honest answer this is not the place to ask. What answer you expect on XDA except "go for it"? Of course any XDA user would tell you to root your phone. At the end of the day that's why we are here (on XDA). Because we want to break the "OEMs chains". And first step to do that is rooting.

vladimir_carlan said:
I think root is a no no and XDA should be removed from cyberspace or something.
Now seriously... If you want an honest answer this is not the place to ask. What answer you expect on XDA except "go for it"? Of course any XDA user would tell you to root your phone. At the end of the day that's why we are here (on XDA). Because we want to break the "OEMs chains". And first step to do that is rooting.
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It depends. I've been on xda for years, and advised against rooting. I too root all my phones to get rid of not needed apps and backups. But to be honest, the value for root on the S8 just isn't there atm. No aosp, xposed is irrelevant... As said, only root if there is a specific thing you need, not just because.
Also, even with Samsungs software I don't feel the need for flashing roms anymore like back in the 4.x and back days. Between Nova launcher, substratum and the scaled back styling of Samsungs stock Rom, aosp becomes less and less needed...

Sm T580 rooting hell

Ever phone or tablet I buy is always the one that cant be rooted without a pc. Everytime Odin required, so sick of it. I thought they were supposed to make a universal platform that all androids adhered to. What happened to that?

smokeuout said:
Ever phone or tablet I buy is always the one that cant be rooted without a pc. Everytime Odin required, so sick of it. I thought they were supposed to make a universal platform that all androids adhered to. What happened to that?
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Name a current device that doesn't need a PC to be rooted? Is that not universal enough?

ashyx said:
Name a current device that doesn't need a PC to be rooted? Is that not universal enough?
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No thats not universal enough. Go through the compatability list for framaroot, or master root and that will give your answer. I just want my phones to be on the same level. All on that list or not but there shouldnt be an in between

smokeuout said:
No thats not universal enough. Go through the compatability list for framaroot, or master root and that will give your answer. I just want my phones to be on the same level. All on that list or not but there shouldnt be an in between
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Ok humour me. Show me evidence of one device that either of those root exploits has been successful with since Android 5.

ashyx said:
Ok humour me. Show me evidence of one device that either of those root exploits has been successful with since Android 5.
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Okay but how am I going to show proof? Those one click root apps wouldnt be around if they didnt work...Look at towelroot as well, and also kingroot. Lots of options even though I have no proof

smokeuout said:
Okay but how am I going to show proof? Those one click root apps wouldnt be around if they didnt work...Look at towelroot as well, and also kingroot. Lots of options even though I have no proof
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Rooting a tablet is a security risk that manufacturers don't WANT users to take. They want rooting to be difficult. So, IMO, it is down right silly to think they'd intentionally let some apps, like the ones you mentioned, defeat their purpose. And NONE of those apps work on a high percentage of the tablets on the market today.
If having a tablet that can be rooted by one of them is that important to you, then I'd suggest you check the list BEFORE you make your purchase rather than whining about it when they don't work.

smokeuout said:
Okay but how am I going to show proof? Those one click root apps wouldnt be around if they didnt work...Look at towelroot as well, and also kingroot. Lots of options even though I have no proof
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They DON'T work that is the point. The fact that you actually mentioned towel root implies that you've been trawling the Internet and you don't quite know where things are up to with root.
Those exploits have long since been patched. Pretty much no one click root's work on any recent device.
Google have patched all current exploits. Any decent manufacturer should have updated their firmware to include the patches.
Anything MM onwards is unlikely to work with one of these one click root apps.
Any device that does simply means the manufacturer doesn't care about security or has abandoned the device.
My point here is that pretty much no device works with any of these one click root's anymore.
You have a device made by a manufacturer that cares about security.
The very thing you seem to be whining about.
Millions of devices are currently using the only real root solution avaliable, Magisk, which requires a PC.
@lewmur pretty much nailed it.
If you want a device that works with one of these one click exploits, sell your up to date device and buy yourself an old banger running kitkat.

lewmur said:
Rooting a tablet is a security risk that manufacturers don't WANT users to take. They want rooting to be difficult. So, IMO, it is down right silly to think they'd intentionally let some apps, like the ones you mentioned, defeat their purpose. And NONE of those apps work on a high percentage of the tablets on the market today.
If having a tablet that can be rooted by one of them is that important to you, then I'd suggest you check the list BEFORE you make your purchase rather than whining about it when they don't work.
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Oh but i do check before I make a purchase. But everytime for one reason or another things change or an update comes and all of a sudden, now you need Odin. That why im pissed kid.
Also im sure the companies arent letting anyone root by choice. They would rather have you pay $1200 for an official unlocked phone...lol...But yes those apps can and will work on many phones running 8.1 and before.. perhaps you should do your homework instead of sticking your head in the sand

ashyx said:
They DON'T work that is the point. The fact that you actually mentioned towel root implies that you've been trawling the Internet and you don't quite know where things are up to with root.
Those exploits have long since been patched. Pretty much no one click root's work on any recent device.
Google have patched all current exploits. Any decent manufacturer should have updated their firmware to include the patches.
Anything MM onwards is unlikely to work with one of these one click root apps.
Any device that does simply means the manufacturer doesn't care about security or has abandoned the device.
My point here is that pretty much no device works with any of these one click root's anymore.
You have a device made by a manufacturer that cares about security.
The very thing you seem to be whining about.
Millions of devices are currently using the only real root solution avaliable, Magisk, which requires a PC.
@lewmur pretty much nailed it.
If you want a device that works with one of these one click exploits, sell your up to date device and buy yourself an old banger running kitkat.
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Hey cool story but it doesnt apply here. Im sure you can see the title, read it....t580....Hardly cutting edge stuff. If i could downgrade i would but i cant without a pc. I accidently upgraded my tablet and screwed myself. Those apps wont work on a galaxy S10 or galaxy 4 tablet but if i hadnt upgraded i would have used that and it woulda worked. Is chainfire around? He could shed some light if hes still on this

smokeuout said:
Hey cool story but it doesnt apply here. Im sure you can see the title, read it....t580....Hardly cutting edge stuff. If i could downgrade i would but i cant without a pc. I accidently upgraded my tablet and screwed myself. Those apps wont work on a galaxy S10 or galaxy 4 tablet but if i hadnt upgraded i would have used that and it woulda worked. Is chainfire around? He could shed some light if hes still on this
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Not being rude, but you really have no idea.
If you actually understood anything about root and kept with the times, you would be aware why non of these exploits work on anything beyond Lollipop. Marshmallow if you're lucky and haven't updated.
Supersu stopped working with most devices at Nougat and not at all with Oreo or anything beyond.
Over and out.

ashyx said:
Not being rude, but you really have no idea.
If you actually understood anything about root and kept with the times, you would be aware why non of these exploits work on anything beyond Lollipop. Marshmallow if you're lucky and haven't updated.
Supersu stopped working with most devices at Nougat and not at all with Oreo or anything beyond.
Over and out.
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I understand all of that just fine, thats not what i was talking about. I mentioned chainfire not because of supersu but because when I used to be on this site daily chainfire would help me out every now and then. Im going to assume hes not so active in here anymore, but maybe im wrong.

smokeuout said:
I understand all of that just fine, thats not what i was talking about. I mentioned chainfire not because of supersu but because when I used to be on this site daily chainfire would help me out every now and then. Im going to assume hes not so active in here anymore, but maybe im wrong.
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Chain fire sold supersu to a Chinese developer who has since abandoned it.
Chain fire announced his retirement from development a while back.
Magisk is now the only true root solution and even Magisk is constantly having to evolve to keep in the game.
All the other solutions you refer to were simply exploits that leveraged a vulnerability in the running system and have long since been patched even on older devices.
Magisk is not an exploit that leverages a vulnerability, but is a chain of modifications to the running system which is implemented both at the installation stage and at boot time. Similar to how Supersu used to work, but in a more advanced way which creates its own environment.

smokeuout said:
Oh but i do check before I make a purchase. But everytime for one reason or another things change or an update comes and all of a sudden, now you need Odin. That why im pissed kid.
Also im sure the companies arent letting anyone root by choice. They would rather have you pay $1200 for an official unlocked phone...lol...But yes those apps can and will work on many phones running 8.1 and before.. perhaps you should do your homework instead of sticking your head in the sand
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That's BS. I've had a T580 since 2016 and you've never been able to root one without Odin. There is NO WAY it is on a list for one of those apps. If you just bought the T580 and checked and found it on one, name the one. Put up or shut up.