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Root? What's the Point?

So we got our shiny new N3's... we all (well 98% of us love them... lets not get technical about the % lol)... the xda devs started working on root...which is awesome.. having some issues getting root figured out (always the case on new and newer devices).....
Really though. What's the point of rooting? It can void your warranty. Possibly set of Knox.. and up until now there is only 1 one click type root function that is under speculation(will leave the name out for threads sake)... which I will not use. If you root do you get rid of alot of the licensing checks on apk's? We always have a lot of mods that we can add. I agree the bloat ware blows... but its still quite fast.... and if u got a nice size sd card... it doesn't matter that much... We can't flash roms yet so thats a negative for now.... So again.. what's the real point to root?
I'm sure nobody that's rooted cares that much to do so.. but if you feel inclined... explain some real solid reasons for rooting.. and the method that works without tripping knox.(this phone will eventually go back to verizon).... if you need to pm me please do so....

Seriously, just do a search. This has been discussed ad nauseum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/sitesearch.php?q=root or not
If you're the type of person that has to ask, then rooting probably isn't for you.

I root to remove bloatware, customize the phone in ways that are otherwise impossible, and just to have the freedom to do whatever I want (at least within the confines of the locked bootloader, grrr). I have used iOS for years, and my main issue with it was the restrictions Apple placed upon the system. I would find x or y thing I didn't like, but had no control over it. I fail to see the point of Android if you can't do what you like to it. Otherwise it's just a locked-down OS from a different vendor.

frieked said:
Seriously, just do a search. This has been discussed ad nauseum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/sitesearch.php?q=root or not
If you're the type of person that has to ask, then rooting probably isn't for you.
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I've rooted every device I've ever had on android.... 4.3 is starting to get to the point where we have most of the bells and whistles... Now I don't get down to the coding and programming (how many of us really do) but I love to take advantage of things that otherwise couldn't... simple app mods don't incline me enough to lose warranty. I rom probably would... Just saying it's not that i'm a dummy not understanding what root is... it's that its kind of iffy at the moment.... if someone knows 100% that it won't trip knox and you can revert back I'd give it a shot... I haven't seen that option yet that is 100% proven and cleared by xda or any other reputable sites.....
(pm me if there is something i need to know... i hold no one accountable)
only thing i could see as a definite positive to me is rom toolbox... amazing app.... able to freeze apps/back up etc..

loopers said:
I've rooted every device I've ever had on android.... 4.3 is starting to get to the point where we have most of the bells and whistles... Now I don't get down to the coding and programming (how many of us really do) but I love to take advantage of things that otherwise couldn't... simple app mods don't incline me enough to lose warranty. I rom probably would... Just saying it's not that i'm a dummy not understanding what root is... it's that its kind of iffy at the moment.... if someone knows 100% that it won't trip knox and you can revert back I'd give it a shot... I haven't seen that option yet that is 100% proven and cleared by xda or any other reputable sites.....
(pm me if there is something i need to know... i hold no one accountable)
only thing i could see as a definite positive to me is rom toolbox... amazing app.... able to freeze apps/back up etc..
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You'll find out once google releases the next version of android and 365 days later verizon finally updates their device....

frieked said:
Seriously, just do a search. This has been discussed ad nauseum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/sitesearch.php?q=root or not
If you're the type of person that has to ask, then rooting probably isn't for you.
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kwkw480 said:
You'll find out once google releases the next version of android and 365 days later verizon finally updates their device....
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agreed.... at that point i would take that plunge... (root would be better then too i'm sure(devs making things proven more and more)) shutting down svoice would be good too.... alot of that stuff would take a rom to really be a "kitkat" so i don't see the rush and still see no real reason to root at the moment..... anyone else? lol
that link sent me to a page with seveal posts and didn't see the one that you quoted.. nauseum? repost?

kwkw480 said:
You'll find out once google releases the next version of android and 365 days later verizon finally updates their device....
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Well, only if ROMs are available.
I'm with the original poster on this subject. I've rooted and ROMed my phones since forever. But the goal was to change the ROM. Until a ROM is available for the N3 there's no compelling reason to root. Yeah, TiBu is nice to use but Helium is adequate. (I used Helium to move my apps from N2 to N3).
Getting rid of bloatware? That's a political decision, not a practical one. People say that because "they're rebelling against the man." This phone is so ridiculously fast that bloatware does nothing to harm performance. If you don't like seeing it in the app tray then just use a launcher that lets you hide things in the app tray.
Don't like Touchwiz? I haven't found a ROM that I like either. TouchWiz is not perfect, but neither is AOKP, Omni, CM or many other ROM interfaces.
Yes, my Galaxy Tab 10.1 (original Tab) is rooted with a 4.3 ROM. It's the only way to get past ICS. But phones are different. I get a new one about every 6 months or so. I don't worry about what Verizon will do with the N3 in 2015. Most people on XDA are similar, so it's a moot point to argue about lack of support down the road.
I keep watching but there's been no compelling reason for me to root this phone. I want to, yeah, but where's the reward other than the pure joy of rooting? Most respond here with vague things about doing it their way, bloat or all of these apps that make life wonderful. I say show me. And it must be compelling. I want to, I just can't justify it.
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loopers said:
shutting down svoice would be good too....
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Please explain. I have no interaction with S-Voice that I know of. To what are you referring?

loopers said:
if someone knows 100% that it won't trip knox and you can revert back I'd give it a shot... I haven't seen that option yet that is 100% proven and cleared by xda or any other reputable sites......
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I don't think you'll ever see a 100% assurance on that. I've rooted my Note 3 with both Root De La Vega and Kingo, flashed the phone a few times with Odin, installed Beans' rooted stock, and still have 0x0 on my Knox counter, fwiw.

TabGuy said:
Well, only if ROMs are available.
I'm with the original poster on this subject. I've rooted and ROMed my phones since forever. But the goal was to change the ROM. Until a ROM is available for the N3 there's no compelling reason to root. Yeah, TiBu is nice to use but Helium is adequate. (I used Helium to move my apps from N2 to N3).
Getting rid of bloatware? That's a political decision, not a practical one. People say that because "they're rebelling against the man." This phone is so ridiculously fast that bloatware does nothing to harm performance. If you don't like seeing it in the app tray then just use a launcher that lets you hide things in the app tray.
Don't like Touchwiz? I haven't found a ROM that I like either. TouchWiz is not perfect, but neither is AOKP, Omni, CM or many other ROM interfaces.
Yes, my Galaxy Tab 10.1 (original Tab) is rooted with a 4.3 ROM. It's the only way to get past ICS. But phones are different. I get a new one about every 6 months or so. I don't worry about what Verizon will do with the N3 in 2015. Most people on XDA are similar, so it's a moot point to argue about lack of support down the road.
I keep watching but there's been no compelling reason for me to root this phone. I want to, yeah, but where's the reward other than the pure joy of rooting? Most respond here with vague things about doing it their way, bloat or all of these apps that make life wonderful. I say show me. And it must be compelling. I want to, I just can't justify it.
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Please explain. I have no interaction with S-Voice that I know of. To what are you referring?
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You hit the nail .... S-voice.. I have no interaction with it at all either.. only time is when I use my s4a ear "buds?".... amazing sound with a mic and button.. when i hold the mic down though s-voice pops up and i don't want it too... can't get away from it as it sits (might try a diffferent music player..... not a real problem though.. just a small annoyance

TabGuy said:
Well, only if ROMs are available.
I'm with the original poster on this subject. I've rooted and ROMed my phones since forever. But the goal was to change the ROM. Until a ROM is available for the N3 there's no compelling reason to root. Yeah, TiBu is nice to use but Helium is adequate. (I used Helium to move my apps from N2 to N3).
Getting rid of bloatware? That's a political decision, not a practical one. People say that because "they're rebelling against the man." This phone is so ridiculously fast that bloatware does nothing to harm performance. If you don't like seeing it in the app tray then just use a launcher that lets you hide things in the app tray.
Don't like Touchwiz? I haven't found a ROM that I like either. TouchWiz is not perfect, but neither is AOKP, Omni, CM or many other ROM interfaces.
Yes, my Galaxy Tab 10.1 (original Tab) is rooted with a 4.3 ROM. It's the only way to get past ICS. But phones are different. I get a new one about every 6 months or so. I don't worry about what Verizon will do with the N3 in 2015. Most people on XDA are similar, so it's a moot point to argue about lack of support down the road.
I keep watching but there's been no compelling reason for me to root this phone. I want to, yeah, but where's the reward other than the pure joy of rooting? Most respond here with vague things about doing it their way, bloat or all of these apps that make life wonderful. I say show me. And it must be compelling. I want to, I just can't justify it.
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Please explain. I have no interaction with S-Voice that I know of. To what are you referring?
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Pfhortune said:
I don't think you'll ever see a 100% assurance on that. I've rooted my Note 3 with both Root De La Vega and Kingo, flashed the phone a few times with Odin, installed Beans' rooted stock, and still have 0x0 on my Knox counter, fwiw.
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good to know.. thanks.. just read a thread where hyperdrive rom is up...... (was my rom of choice for my s3).... definately making a case for rooting now.. but still want that easy root.... the one you mentioned is still too iffy........... and root de la vega... seems intimidating with all the typing...... don't have hours to sit... go through several stops and not make a single boo boo and brick it or trip it....... the other ting.. msg me if u have any type of proof its clean... can't really go into discussion in threads on that.... too many people may read and take that plunge while it is still a bit foreign to the dev base

Pfhortune said:
I don't think you'll ever see a 100% assurance on that. I've rooted my Note 3 with both Root De La Vega and Kingo, flashed the phone a few times with Odin, installed Beans' rooted stock, and still have 0x0 on my Knox counter, fwiw.
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good to know...... was the K the last one u rooted with.... it seems iffy to this forum.. msg me if you have done any research on that prog and if it indeed worth trying....

[Q] Knox - Does it really matter?

YES! I've used the search until my head started to spin and got no real answer to this.
I've read and read about the "Knox thing" and that it trips the flag, and so did it on my phone when I did an upgrade.
How how does tripping the Knox affect my phone?
In what way does it change it?
I know, you have no warranty, but that is always a risk you have to take with any phone/hacking. That is my decision to take.
But any REAL implications? I tried to read and read up about it and I don't see the "thing" with it?
I read and read posts about how to not trip it so I really wonder if it does something that affects the phone in a negative sense?
Does it hinder me to have root and load custom roms?
Does it hinder me in side-loading things?
What does this damn flag really do with the phone???
I read that I can't downgrade my roms from 4.2.2 to an older version but then, why should I?
I want the newest, coolest, best roms that I can get here by the amazing devs!
When I had my HTC One X I had to register on HTC-Dev to get a key to unlock the phone, so I knew what I was doing.
I was breaking the warranty and I was willingly doing that because I wanted to have custom roms.
I like to hack around and I soft-bricked more phones and times then I can remember.
In the Samsung world there is/was the Triangle away since Samsung has the counter for how many times you flashed
(but it doesn't seem to affect the phone in anyway, as far as I have read or does it?). So you might have been a bit spoiled
If this is "just" about warranty then I read that some tripped it with a normal Kies upgrade so I doesn't seem perfect.
Please, enlighten me. I can't find any good answers on this.
As a matter of fact I actually will get a new S4 soon and I'm very curious what firmware it will contain?
And this is why - Off-topic (I tend to be that).
I got a post-anesthetic amnesia after a surgery. What they told me was that I tried to start up my phone but it didn't want too (BAD Foxdoggie! )
so I threw it in the wall 2 times and then I broke it in half when they forbid me to throw it anymore.
No recollection at all, but I wish I had since breaking a phone in 2 parts isn't something you do every day
The insurance company wanted me to send in the phone for repairs and it was in at least 512 parts.
Was quite fun to go to the store and ask them to send it to service. :laugh:
Btw, keep away from the glass if it breaks! It gets razor sharp. The next day I have to pull out micro-parts from my hands that was lodged in the skin and my hands was cut all over, but then I'm good with a scalpel
So again, can someone please explain to me the negative implications of Knox?
If there are anything that will make my phone function in worse way I will make a formal complaint to Samsung here in Sweden since
I didn't buy a car to find that after a routine service, suddenly had the speed limited to 70 km/h...
I talked to my phone-company and they didn't knew what Knox was? AT ALL.
He just told me to use Triangle Away if it would break (or the same if I would jail-break my iPhone)!
So you even get instructions on what to do to make it "look" ok from your own provider since they are so well aware that people hack/root their phones.
Someone said in a post that only 1% root/jailbreak. I call that bull. But I think that more people jailbreak their iPhones then root their Androids.
But 1%? Just the fact that your cell-provider informs you how to "restore" your phone (and even asked me what rom I'm using!?!).
So maybe hard-core freaks are 1% but "normal" rooters/jailbreakers are way way way more.
It's the same with internet. Right now I have 500 Mbit and do the provider REALLY think I use that to browse Facebook faster?
So they all play a double game. At least in Sweden but I think that is quite universal?
This is my first Samsung. I'm a HTC-guy and if this Knox hinders me while other companies open up theirs instead, it will be my last.
I got a great deal on this phone and thought that since Samsung has the largest base it would be nice to see the awsome devs here.
And WOW. I was not wrong
Btw, Foxie, I love your rom, but it's just not post-surgery safe. You should add that as a warning
/Absie

Cool story bro
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Did you not spot the KNOX sticky? All questions and answers to your questions in there.
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nikzDHD said:
Did you not spot the KNOX sticky? All questions and answers to your questions in there.
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Yes, I have. It's kind of messy and is still not answering the my question.
Yes, I have read the Samsung page. I'll continue in the "real thread".
I just want to know.
Can I flash roms, can I gain root, can I load apps like before? I don't give a duck about the corp stuff. I just want to continue to flash my device and be happy with it
/Absie

absolon_se said:
Yes, I have. It's kind of messy and is still not answering the my question.
Yes, I have read the Samsung page. I'll continue in the "real thread".
I just want to know.
Can I flash roms, can I gain root, can I load apps like before? I don't give a duck about the corp stuff. I just want to continue to flash my device and be happy with it
/Absie
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well as far as i know you can do all that as long as you don't care about the warranty, but root apps might nor work as they should(or may not work at all).
i could be wrong about all this
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nikzDHD said:
Did you not spot the KNOX sticky? All questions and answers to your questions in there.
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negrobembon said:
well as far as i know you can do all that as long as you don't care about the warranty, but root apps might nor work as they should(or may not work at all).
i could be wrong about all this
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I just continued here to avoid comments about my sight... :cyclops:
(I did, didn't had a clear answer. Asked here. Wooboo. Will never do that again. Promise. )

KNOX is a security feature enabled by Samsung for corporate things. Does a normal end user need it probably not and should be an option. However Samsugn decided to roll it out to all phones regardless.
If you have a KNOX enabled handset, you can do as you please, root, install custom recovery, flash roms, flash kernels, however it will disable KNOX and will set the KNOX couneter to 0x1, once this is done you can not reverse it.
As an effect to warranty, it's probably country dependent. There is a warranty thread, some users have sent their phones in once KNOX has been tripped and phones have been repaired.

Is anyone gonna make a ROM for this

Is anyone gonna make a ROM seriously, this sucks. Why is no one interested in this thing, it sucks

tonytownsend said:
Is anyone gonna make a ROM seriously, this sucks. Why is no one interested in this thing, it sucks
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my guess is the whole knox thing kinda turned everyone off to rooting. i agree though, it does suck.

The worst part is that I'm in love with this pen, and don't know if I could give it up, but Damn this sucks having no roms, and not just no roms, but seemingly no one hardly at all interested in ANY kind of dev work hardly....total crap

lol I'm still waiting for a 0x0 root for the P600, I'm pretty sure the chances of this happening are slim to none at this point, but I'll wait it out for a few months. Not a fan of voiding the warranty for a 600 dollar piece of hardware.

C2Q said:
lol I'm still waiting for a 0x0 root for the P600, I'm pretty sure the chances of this happening are slim to none at this point, but I'll wait it out for a few months. Not a fan of voiding the warranty for a 600 dollar piece of hardware.
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I would think it's just one published kernel exploit away. My interpretation of the Knox Warranty piece is it gets flagged when you flash improperly signed files. Finding an exploit that is done while running Android may not set the warranty flag.

I see a lot of threads now are offering money to someone who makes a rom, perhaps those interested could pledge something(including me) which might sway someone to making something...... just a thought

I rooted and don't really give a crap about tripping Knox.
I've made ROMs in the past, but I need the source files. Right now I'm waiting for either Samsung or someone else to publish the files for MK1 and I might do something with that.

custom roms
The creator of the Android Revolution roms (android-revolution-hd.blogspot.de) Mike1986 is currently running a pledgie to buy a Note 10.1 2014. If your interested in supporting, the Link is on his Facebook page.

Who cares about a KNOX free root it trips KNOX no matter what if you have a custom recovery. Plus I dont care about warranty. I have never had to return anything due to warranty. I have had 4 iPhones,4 androids, 2 ipads and I figure if its not messed up in the first 30 day then nothing will happen and if it does it will happen past the one year warranty.

Plus it sucks everyone raised money for BEAN and he bolted that was pretty uncool.

Gitbrew has had luck with the PS4, we have a p600 en route.

DudeDelu said:
The creator of the Android Revolution roms (android-revolution-hd.blogspot.de) Mike1986 is currently running a pledgie to buy a Note 10.1 2014. If your interested in supporting, the Link is on his Facebook page.
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Ahh. He is promising for this tablet. Maybe we should do a pledge thread and all add a bit of money in and aim towards p600 for obvious reasons. He could preduce something better than me and probably most people in this forum.

tonytownsend said:
Who cares about a KNOX free root it trips KNOX no matter what if you have a custom recovery. Plus I dont care about warranty. I have never had to return anything due to warranty. I have had 4 iPhones,4 androids, 2 ipads and I figure if its not messed up in the first 30 day then nothing will happen and if it does it will happen past the one year warranty.
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I care about a KNOX free (0x0) root. I don't need a custom recovery, I just want TB and other goodies. I don't imagine I'm the only one.

tonytownsend said:
Who cares about a KNOX free root it trips KNOX no matter what if you have a custom recovery. Plus I dont care about warranty. I have never had to return anything due to warranty. I have had 4 iPhones,4 androids, 2 ipads and I figure if its not messed up in the first 30 day then nothing will happen and if it does it will happen past the one year warranty.
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I have to agree. I have been using android and Winmo devices for a long time including tablets. I have rooted then all and have never had to return one to the manufacturer. I rooted last night (I rooted my Note III the day I got it). SInce I have never had to use a warranty, the benefits of rooting outweighed preserving the warranty. Nothing like being able to use such great apps as Titanium Backup or Ad-away to enhance my experience with my device.

Regardless, a 0x0 root would be nice for those of us who want to retain warranty. Not interested in installing a custom recovery anyway if it trips knox. Those of you who didn't care are rooted already.

I'm not giving anyone money on a promise. I'd donate afterwards. Too many times I've read people getting screwed by shady devs.

locovaca said:
I care about a KNOX free (0x0) root. I don't need a custom recovery, I just want TB and other goodies. I don't imagine I'm the only one.
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C2Q said:
Regardless, a 0x0 root would be nice for those of us who want to retain warranty. Not interested in installing a custom recovery anyway if it trips knox. Those of you who didn't care are rooted already.
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^^^ This.
For me, it's not so much that I care about the warranty (the place I bought it from allows holiday returns through 1/31/2014, so I could even trip KNOX and still return it), it's just that there's so little dev activity on this device, including just a stock rooted ROM, that you don't want to trip KNOX or else you're likely not getting KitKat.
The latest 4.3 update for the Note 2 phone brought KNOX to the Note 2. I was running basically stock rooted anyway, but at least there's a little more dev activity on the Note 2 so a KNOX-free stock rooted ROM was released very quickly after the OTA.
swaggerjacker said:
I'm not giving anyone money on a promise. I'd donate afterwards. Too many times I've read people getting screwed by shady devs.
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This is my policy for everything in my life -- not just dev projects on XDA. I don't pay for something that doesn't yet exist and/or isn't proven/working yet. I also think that if devs buy their own hardware they end up more committed to the particular device rather than putting out one ROM to justify taking the bounty and then moving on to the next device bounty (with no updates, maintenance, fixes, etc.).

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Plus it sucks everyone raised money for BEAN and he bolted that was pretty uncool.
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Well he brought root to the device, this is what the bounty was for, I see no foul play here.
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sbattosai said:
Well he brought root to the device, this is what the bounty was for, I see no foul play here.
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+1. I paid my pledge happily. I wanted root and nobody else was working on it. The knox thing doesn't concern me at all.
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Plus it sucks everyone raised money for BEAN and he bolted that was pretty uncool.
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Don't go there man.... He did what he was paid to and that's that. ... bad mouthing him isn't going to get him to come back and make a rom.... honestly I don't blame him for returning it I'm about to I think. .. what the he'll is the point in having top notch hardware when you can't get any dev work happening on it....just retarded
What other tablet is out there though that even comes close in hardware specs but has at least half assed support
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swaggerjacker said:
I'm not giving anyone money on a promise. I'd donate afterwards. Too many times I've read people getting screwed by shady devs.
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That's not how a pledge works. If you've read about something happening it wasn't done in the proper way. A pledge is when you promise to out forward a certain amount of money when a certain goal is reached. If that goal isn't reached to your satisfaction then you don't send the money. That is that. But better not get caught asking for support on the item in question....

Warning about root

if you root this phone and trip knox fuse counter. you will NEVER EVER be able to use the great feature of MST through samsung pay.
My thoughts . since we have a non root hotspot and all bloatware (which isnt that much) can be disabled
the phone has so much customization incl uded i am not rooting the phone. the battery lasts 2 days easy with medium
use. no bugs at all i can find. what more can you ask for.
Remember Root no MST (mst is the ability to use the old card swipers at any location with the phone. it sends card you addeds magnetic strip info to the swiper )
UNLESS you can root without tripping the know counter. its unreversalble
carry on

First phone I've owned that I dont see myself rooting. I really like the Samsung Pay.

Yea I'm coming from the S6 and couldn't use it but enjoying Samsung Pay now

You don't have to worry about that. All US versions are locked down. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3327399

After 8 generations of HTC phones, I decided to try Samsung this year as M10 rumors were they were ditching Boomsound my favorite feature of the M phones. I felt edge was far superior this year at least based on the rumors which getting this close to launch are usually spot on. I was well aware that I was going to have to decide to trip knox or not if I wanted root. While there is more customization and control with Android 6 it still doesn't compare to having everything wide open, especially if you are use to S-OFF.
Is the trade off worth it? Well I think so at least right now, this device is superior to pretty much anything out at the moment. I'm already missing Xposed, Titanium Backup & AdAway. The lock down on these devices is just getting so bad, while I understand they shouldn't come rooted out of the box but give us a choice. We may not even have the option of tripping Knox at this point. Part of the reason I stayed with Sprint for so long is they were more friendly with unlocking phones then big red but everything seems to be going the wrong direction.
Even if root is granted, it will just be patched and it's only going to get more secure and difficult each generation. I guess we just might have to start accepting that this is just how it is. Kinda sad, I'm just so use to having it even back in the Windows Mobile days I was running custom roms.

v8dreaming said:
You don't have to worry about that. All US versions are locked down. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3327399
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No they are already rooted with custom kernels and roms deodexed and odexed

These boys dont.play

Yess of course

I'm fine removing Samsung Pay if I get the benefits of rooting.

Robalboa said:
Works on our phones http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3335727
ROM stock firmware Samsung Galaxy S7 EDGE SM-G935P ROOT TWRP Drivers
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I thought the bootloader was locked on all the carriers this year?

Someone give it a shot and let us know ?

Sim-X said:
I thought the bootloader was locked on all the carriers this year?
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It still has the unlock bootloader button in developer options just like the S6 had

Soooperstar said:
It still has the unlock bootloader button in developer options just like the S6 had
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Interesting, I'm not gonna go first I still haven't decided if I wanna trip knox or not if the bootloader is in fact able to be unlocked.

Robalboa said:
Works on our phones http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3335727
ROM stock firmware Samsung Galaxy S7 EDGE SM-G935P ROOT TWRP Drivers
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This link only shows 935F -- not 935P. Am I missing something?

nastypup said:
This link only shows 935F -- not 935P. Am I missing something?
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as stated above there a option to
unlock the bootloader in Dev options. im not sure all the details because i see no benefit to root right now but
they do have the phone rooted and they are modding kernels and system as wee speak. also custom recovery.
TWRP will inject root upon install and start up to reboot.
This is just a warning about root to anyone so they know the Deal with Samsung pay and MST
I do see it says 900f but theres numerous reports of it working on the 900P
you know these guys are flashaholics lol

Robalboa said:
as stated above there a option to
unlock the bootloader in Dev options. im not sure all the details because i see no benefit to root right now but
they do have the phone rooted and they are modding kernels and system as wee speak. also custom recovery.
TWRP will inject root upon install and start up to reboot.
This is just a warning about root to anyone so they know the Deal with Samsung pay and MST
I do see it says 900f but theres numerous reports of it working on the 900P
you know these guys are flashaholics lol
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Thanks for the tip! I'm a huge fan of custom roms and the prospect of xposed so I'm very much looking forward to rooting. I'll wait a little though for a more concrete path and at least a rom to flash.

Robalboa said:
as stated above there a option to
unlock the bootloader in Dev options. im not sure all the details because i see no benefit to root right now but
they do have the phone rooted and they are modding kernels and system as wee speak. also custom recovery.
TWRP will inject root upon install and start up to reboot.
This is just a warning about root to anyone so they know the Deal with Samsung pay and MST
I do see it says 900f but theres numerous reports of it working on the 900P
you know these guys are flashaholics lol
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I've never used Samsung Pay but I need a rooted phone to restore a ton of data. Stock ROM is adequate for me. I played with custom ROMs years ago and they were just a time suck. I was flashing them almost daily. The stock ROM is good as long as its rooted.

nastypup said:
I've never used Samsung Pay but I need a rooted phone to restore a ton of data. Stock ROM is adequate for me. I played with custom ROMs years ago and they were just a time suck. I was flashing them almost daily. The stock ROM is good as long as its rooted.
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Samsung pay is the only way to use MST or use ur phone for old card swipers. But thats your call

Samsung pay is useless to me. And as far as I can tell that's the only benefit to not rooting. I've read there are other benefits but that's the only one I've seen posted, Other than warranty.
To me; rooting is more beneficial. Removing advertising is the biggest. Then a basic debloated rom is second. Adding apps that are not usable on non-rooted phone would be my third reason.

nickmus said:
Samsung pay is useless to me. And as far as I can tell that's the only benefit to not rooting. I've read there are other benefits but that's the only one I've seen posted, Other than warranty.
To me; rooting is more beneficial. Removing advertising is the biggest. Then a basic debloated rom is second. Adding apps that are not usable on non-rooted phone would be my third reason.
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I'm kinda feeling the same way. Can't use Samsung Pay as a total replacement anyway and I just looked they don't even support Capital One cards at least yet anyway. That was one thing google did right back in the day with wallet, you could link any card. Still looks cool but ad block is one of the main reasons I root as well. I'm giving AdGaurd a shot (I use that on my desktop) and you can side load it to Android it creates a local VPN connection to the app to filter all traffic. Kinda annoying you always have a notification saying it's running also doesn't block youtube ads which Xposed worked awesome for that. I miss TI as well. Warranty void I feel so so about. S-OFF you could at least remove a tampered flag on an HTC although HTC would still have record of you doing a dev unlock token even if reset everything.

How to Root my S8 to remove that damn Facebook App

So I just discovered I can't uninstall the Facebook app which thoroughly pissed me off. If it's not system critical then I think I aught to be able to uninstall it. Especially with all the news about Facebook scraping phone messages and what not without permission.
So mostly I'm pretty happy with the phone. Still annoyed Google includes pointless uninstallable apps I'm never going to use. For the most part I just disable those and move on. With Facebook, I want it gone.
I'm happy to unroot my device when done or leave it rooted. I've never actually rooted a phone before and the closest I can say I've come is I've jailbroken an old ipod touch before.
So if someone could point me in the right direction to help me remove this blasted Facebook app then I'd be mighty happy about that.
Thanks
Firedingo

You should just be able to disable it without the need for root via the apps menu. If that fails, there's this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kunkunsoft.packagedisabler or another app callled Package Disabler Pro which should do the job.
I've also read about an app called Adhell which will work too.

Firedingo said:
So I just discovered I can't uninstall the Facebook app which thoroughly pissed me off. If it's not system critical then I think I aught to be able to uninstall it. Especially with all the news about Facebook scraping phone messages and what not without permission.
So mostly I'm pretty happy with the phone. Still annoyed Google includes pointless uninstallable apps I'm never going to use. For the most part I just disable those and move on. With Facebook, I want it gone.
I'm happy to unroot my device when done or leave it rooted. I've never actually rooted a phone before and the closest I can say I've come is I've jailbroken an old ipod touch before.
So if someone could point me in the right direction to help me remove this blasted Facebook app then I'd be mighty happy about that.
Thanks
Firedingo
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Post above me is right, just for disabling/uninstalling Facebook, it might be overkill to root.
You have to know: There are different variants of the galaxy s8, based on the geographic location of where you bought it.
The international/european version is "easy" to root, while it's not possible to root an american Galaxy s8. There also is the fact that you void your warranty rooting, if you're outside of the EU ( see this)
So rethink your decission and if you still want to root, we can than show you a guide on how to

jaannnis said:
Post above me is right, just for disabling/uninstalling Facebook, it might be overkill to root.
You have to know: There are different variants of the galaxy s8, based on the geographic location of where you bought it.
The international/european version is "easy" to root, while it's not possible to root an american Galaxy s8. There also is the fact that you void your warranty rooting, if you're outside of the EU <URL trimmed because the system doesn't like it with me as a new user>
So rethink your decission and if you still want to root, we can than show you a guide on how to
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I have an international version, Australia to be exact. Yeah I knew that rooting voided the warranty. That said, the Australian Consumer Law is NOT voided despite me rooting the device so I may or may not have protection on that front depending on the issue.
I'd still like to know how to root my device. But thank you for raising those relevant points.

Firedingo said:
I have an international version, Australia to be exact. Yeah I knew that rooting voided the warranty. That said, the Australian Consumer Law is NOT voided despite me rooting the device so I may or may not have protection on that front depending on the issue.
I'd still like to know how to root my device. But thank you for raising those relevant points.
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In order to root you flash a custom Recovery (TWRP in our case) via Odin on PC (Samsungs flash tool). You than boot up into that recovery and flash either Magisk or SuperSu.
Here is the thread: [RECOVERY][OFFICIAL] TWRP for Galaxy S8 and S8+ (Exynos)+
See post #3 for instructions.

Uninstall facebook without rooting even when its system app .

. Still annoyed Google includes pointless uninstallable apps I'm never going to use.
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Pretty sure google's AOSP doesn't have this. This is a Samsung decision, not Google.