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Root? What's the Point?

So we got our shiny new N3's... we all (well 98% of us love them... lets not get technical about the % lol)... the xda devs started working on root...which is awesome.. having some issues getting root figured out (always the case on new and newer devices).....
Really though. What's the point of rooting? It can void your warranty. Possibly set of Knox.. and up until now there is only 1 one click type root function that is under speculation(will leave the name out for threads sake)... which I will not use. If you root do you get rid of alot of the licensing checks on apk's? We always have a lot of mods that we can add. I agree the bloat ware blows... but its still quite fast.... and if u got a nice size sd card... it doesn't matter that much... We can't flash roms yet so thats a negative for now.... So again.. what's the real point to root?
I'm sure nobody that's rooted cares that much to do so.. but if you feel inclined... explain some real solid reasons for rooting.. and the method that works without tripping knox.(this phone will eventually go back to verizon).... if you need to pm me please do so....

Seriously, just do a search. This has been discussed ad nauseum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/sitesearch.php?q=root or not
If you're the type of person that has to ask, then rooting probably isn't for you.

I root to remove bloatware, customize the phone in ways that are otherwise impossible, and just to have the freedom to do whatever I want (at least within the confines of the locked bootloader, grrr). I have used iOS for years, and my main issue with it was the restrictions Apple placed upon the system. I would find x or y thing I didn't like, but had no control over it. I fail to see the point of Android if you can't do what you like to it. Otherwise it's just a locked-down OS from a different vendor.

frieked said:
Seriously, just do a search. This has been discussed ad nauseum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/sitesearch.php?q=root or not
If you're the type of person that has to ask, then rooting probably isn't for you.
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I've rooted every device I've ever had on android.... 4.3 is starting to get to the point where we have most of the bells and whistles... Now I don't get down to the coding and programming (how many of us really do) but I love to take advantage of things that otherwise couldn't... simple app mods don't incline me enough to lose warranty. I rom probably would... Just saying it's not that i'm a dummy not understanding what root is... it's that its kind of iffy at the moment.... if someone knows 100% that it won't trip knox and you can revert back I'd give it a shot... I haven't seen that option yet that is 100% proven and cleared by xda or any other reputable sites.....
(pm me if there is something i need to know... i hold no one accountable)
only thing i could see as a definite positive to me is rom toolbox... amazing app.... able to freeze apps/back up etc..

loopers said:
I've rooted every device I've ever had on android.... 4.3 is starting to get to the point where we have most of the bells and whistles... Now I don't get down to the coding and programming (how many of us really do) but I love to take advantage of things that otherwise couldn't... simple app mods don't incline me enough to lose warranty. I rom probably would... Just saying it's not that i'm a dummy not understanding what root is... it's that its kind of iffy at the moment.... if someone knows 100% that it won't trip knox and you can revert back I'd give it a shot... I haven't seen that option yet that is 100% proven and cleared by xda or any other reputable sites.....
(pm me if there is something i need to know... i hold no one accountable)
only thing i could see as a definite positive to me is rom toolbox... amazing app.... able to freeze apps/back up etc..
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You'll find out once google releases the next version of android and 365 days later verizon finally updates their device....

frieked said:
Seriously, just do a search. This has been discussed ad nauseum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/sitesearch.php?q=root or not
If you're the type of person that has to ask, then rooting probably isn't for you.
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kwkw480 said:
You'll find out once google releases the next version of android and 365 days later verizon finally updates their device....
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agreed.... at that point i would take that plunge... (root would be better then too i'm sure(devs making things proven more and more)) shutting down svoice would be good too.... alot of that stuff would take a rom to really be a "kitkat" so i don't see the rush and still see no real reason to root at the moment..... anyone else? lol
that link sent me to a page with seveal posts and didn't see the one that you quoted.. nauseum? repost?

kwkw480 said:
You'll find out once google releases the next version of android and 365 days later verizon finally updates their device....
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Well, only if ROMs are available.
I'm with the original poster on this subject. I've rooted and ROMed my phones since forever. But the goal was to change the ROM. Until a ROM is available for the N3 there's no compelling reason to root. Yeah, TiBu is nice to use but Helium is adequate. (I used Helium to move my apps from N2 to N3).
Getting rid of bloatware? That's a political decision, not a practical one. People say that because "they're rebelling against the man." This phone is so ridiculously fast that bloatware does nothing to harm performance. If you don't like seeing it in the app tray then just use a launcher that lets you hide things in the app tray.
Don't like Touchwiz? I haven't found a ROM that I like either. TouchWiz is not perfect, but neither is AOKP, Omni, CM or many other ROM interfaces.
Yes, my Galaxy Tab 10.1 (original Tab) is rooted with a 4.3 ROM. It's the only way to get past ICS. But phones are different. I get a new one about every 6 months or so. I don't worry about what Verizon will do with the N3 in 2015. Most people on XDA are similar, so it's a moot point to argue about lack of support down the road.
I keep watching but there's been no compelling reason for me to root this phone. I want to, yeah, but where's the reward other than the pure joy of rooting? Most respond here with vague things about doing it their way, bloat or all of these apps that make life wonderful. I say show me. And it must be compelling. I want to, I just can't justify it.
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loopers said:
shutting down svoice would be good too....
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Please explain. I have no interaction with S-Voice that I know of. To what are you referring?

loopers said:
if someone knows 100% that it won't trip knox and you can revert back I'd give it a shot... I haven't seen that option yet that is 100% proven and cleared by xda or any other reputable sites......
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I don't think you'll ever see a 100% assurance on that. I've rooted my Note 3 with both Root De La Vega and Kingo, flashed the phone a few times with Odin, installed Beans' rooted stock, and still have 0x0 on my Knox counter, fwiw.

TabGuy said:
Well, only if ROMs are available.
I'm with the original poster on this subject. I've rooted and ROMed my phones since forever. But the goal was to change the ROM. Until a ROM is available for the N3 there's no compelling reason to root. Yeah, TiBu is nice to use but Helium is adequate. (I used Helium to move my apps from N2 to N3).
Getting rid of bloatware? That's a political decision, not a practical one. People say that because "they're rebelling against the man." This phone is so ridiculously fast that bloatware does nothing to harm performance. If you don't like seeing it in the app tray then just use a launcher that lets you hide things in the app tray.
Don't like Touchwiz? I haven't found a ROM that I like either. TouchWiz is not perfect, but neither is AOKP, Omni, CM or many other ROM interfaces.
Yes, my Galaxy Tab 10.1 (original Tab) is rooted with a 4.3 ROM. It's the only way to get past ICS. But phones are different. I get a new one about every 6 months or so. I don't worry about what Verizon will do with the N3 in 2015. Most people on XDA are similar, so it's a moot point to argue about lack of support down the road.
I keep watching but there's been no compelling reason for me to root this phone. I want to, yeah, but where's the reward other than the pure joy of rooting? Most respond here with vague things about doing it their way, bloat or all of these apps that make life wonderful. I say show me. And it must be compelling. I want to, I just can't justify it.
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Please explain. I have no interaction with S-Voice that I know of. To what are you referring?
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You hit the nail .... S-voice.. I have no interaction with it at all either.. only time is when I use my s4a ear "buds?".... amazing sound with a mic and button.. when i hold the mic down though s-voice pops up and i don't want it too... can't get away from it as it sits (might try a diffferent music player..... not a real problem though.. just a small annoyance

TabGuy said:
Well, only if ROMs are available.
I'm with the original poster on this subject. I've rooted and ROMed my phones since forever. But the goal was to change the ROM. Until a ROM is available for the N3 there's no compelling reason to root. Yeah, TiBu is nice to use but Helium is adequate. (I used Helium to move my apps from N2 to N3).
Getting rid of bloatware? That's a political decision, not a practical one. People say that because "they're rebelling against the man." This phone is so ridiculously fast that bloatware does nothing to harm performance. If you don't like seeing it in the app tray then just use a launcher that lets you hide things in the app tray.
Don't like Touchwiz? I haven't found a ROM that I like either. TouchWiz is not perfect, but neither is AOKP, Omni, CM or many other ROM interfaces.
Yes, my Galaxy Tab 10.1 (original Tab) is rooted with a 4.3 ROM. It's the only way to get past ICS. But phones are different. I get a new one about every 6 months or so. I don't worry about what Verizon will do with the N3 in 2015. Most people on XDA are similar, so it's a moot point to argue about lack of support down the road.
I keep watching but there's been no compelling reason for me to root this phone. I want to, yeah, but where's the reward other than the pure joy of rooting? Most respond here with vague things about doing it their way, bloat or all of these apps that make life wonderful. I say show me. And it must be compelling. I want to, I just can't justify it.
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Please explain. I have no interaction with S-Voice that I know of. To what are you referring?
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Pfhortune said:
I don't think you'll ever see a 100% assurance on that. I've rooted my Note 3 with both Root De La Vega and Kingo, flashed the phone a few times with Odin, installed Beans' rooted stock, and still have 0x0 on my Knox counter, fwiw.
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good to know.. thanks.. just read a thread where hyperdrive rom is up...... (was my rom of choice for my s3).... definately making a case for rooting now.. but still want that easy root.... the one you mentioned is still too iffy........... and root de la vega... seems intimidating with all the typing...... don't have hours to sit... go through several stops and not make a single boo boo and brick it or trip it....... the other ting.. msg me if u have any type of proof its clean... can't really go into discussion in threads on that.... too many people may read and take that plunge while it is still a bit foreign to the dev base

Pfhortune said:
I don't think you'll ever see a 100% assurance on that. I've rooted my Note 3 with both Root De La Vega and Kingo, flashed the phone a few times with Odin, installed Beans' rooted stock, and still have 0x0 on my Knox counter, fwiw.
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good to know...... was the K the last one u rooted with.... it seems iffy to this forum.. msg me if you have done any research on that prog and if it indeed worth trying....

[Q] Knox - Does it really matter?

YES! I've used the search until my head started to spin and got no real answer to this.
I've read and read about the "Knox thing" and that it trips the flag, and so did it on my phone when I did an upgrade.
How how does tripping the Knox affect my phone?
In what way does it change it?
I know, you have no warranty, but that is always a risk you have to take with any phone/hacking. That is my decision to take.
But any REAL implications? I tried to read and read up about it and I don't see the "thing" with it?
I read and read posts about how to not trip it so I really wonder if it does something that affects the phone in a negative sense?
Does it hinder me to have root and load custom roms?
Does it hinder me in side-loading things?
What does this damn flag really do with the phone???
I read that I can't downgrade my roms from 4.2.2 to an older version but then, why should I?
I want the newest, coolest, best roms that I can get here by the amazing devs!
When I had my HTC One X I had to register on HTC-Dev to get a key to unlock the phone, so I knew what I was doing.
I was breaking the warranty and I was willingly doing that because I wanted to have custom roms.
I like to hack around and I soft-bricked more phones and times then I can remember.
In the Samsung world there is/was the Triangle away since Samsung has the counter for how many times you flashed
(but it doesn't seem to affect the phone in anyway, as far as I have read or does it?). So you might have been a bit spoiled
If this is "just" about warranty then I read that some tripped it with a normal Kies upgrade so I doesn't seem perfect.
Please, enlighten me. I can't find any good answers on this.
As a matter of fact I actually will get a new S4 soon and I'm very curious what firmware it will contain?
And this is why - Off-topic (I tend to be that).
I got a post-anesthetic amnesia after a surgery. What they told me was that I tried to start up my phone but it didn't want too (BAD Foxdoggie! )
so I threw it in the wall 2 times and then I broke it in half when they forbid me to throw it anymore.
No recollection at all, but I wish I had since breaking a phone in 2 parts isn't something you do every day
The insurance company wanted me to send in the phone for repairs and it was in at least 512 parts.
Was quite fun to go to the store and ask them to send it to service. :laugh:
Btw, keep away from the glass if it breaks! It gets razor sharp. The next day I have to pull out micro-parts from my hands that was lodged in the skin and my hands was cut all over, but then I'm good with a scalpel
So again, can someone please explain to me the negative implications of Knox?
If there are anything that will make my phone function in worse way I will make a formal complaint to Samsung here in Sweden since
I didn't buy a car to find that after a routine service, suddenly had the speed limited to 70 km/h...
I talked to my phone-company and they didn't knew what Knox was? AT ALL.
He just told me to use Triangle Away if it would break (or the same if I would jail-break my iPhone)!
So you even get instructions on what to do to make it "look" ok from your own provider since they are so well aware that people hack/root their phones.
Someone said in a post that only 1% root/jailbreak. I call that bull. But I think that more people jailbreak their iPhones then root their Androids.
But 1%? Just the fact that your cell-provider informs you how to "restore" your phone (and even asked me what rom I'm using!?!).
So maybe hard-core freaks are 1% but "normal" rooters/jailbreakers are way way way more.
It's the same with internet. Right now I have 500 Mbit and do the provider REALLY think I use that to browse Facebook faster?
So they all play a double game. At least in Sweden but I think that is quite universal?
This is my first Samsung. I'm a HTC-guy and if this Knox hinders me while other companies open up theirs instead, it will be my last.
I got a great deal on this phone and thought that since Samsung has the largest base it would be nice to see the awsome devs here.
And WOW. I was not wrong
Btw, Foxie, I love your rom, but it's just not post-surgery safe. You should add that as a warning
/Absie

Cool story bro
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Did you not spot the KNOX sticky? All questions and answers to your questions in there.
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nikzDHD said:
Did you not spot the KNOX sticky? All questions and answers to your questions in there.
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Yes, I have. It's kind of messy and is still not answering the my question.
Yes, I have read the Samsung page. I'll continue in the "real thread".
I just want to know.
Can I flash roms, can I gain root, can I load apps like before? I don't give a duck about the corp stuff. I just want to continue to flash my device and be happy with it
/Absie

absolon_se said:
Yes, I have. It's kind of messy and is still not answering the my question.
Yes, I have read the Samsung page. I'll continue in the "real thread".
I just want to know.
Can I flash roms, can I gain root, can I load apps like before? I don't give a duck about the corp stuff. I just want to continue to flash my device and be happy with it
/Absie
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well as far as i know you can do all that as long as you don't care about the warranty, but root apps might nor work as they should(or may not work at all).
i could be wrong about all this
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nikzDHD said:
Did you not spot the KNOX sticky? All questions and answers to your questions in there.
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negrobembon said:
well as far as i know you can do all that as long as you don't care about the warranty, but root apps might nor work as they should(or may not work at all).
i could be wrong about all this
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I just continued here to avoid comments about my sight... :cyclops:
(I did, didn't had a clear answer. Asked here. Wooboo. Will never do that again. Promise. )

KNOX is a security feature enabled by Samsung for corporate things. Does a normal end user need it probably not and should be an option. However Samsugn decided to roll it out to all phones regardless.
If you have a KNOX enabled handset, you can do as you please, root, install custom recovery, flash roms, flash kernels, however it will disable KNOX and will set the KNOX couneter to 0x1, once this is done you can not reverse it.
As an effect to warranty, it's probably country dependent. There is a warranty thread, some users have sent their phones in once KNOX has been tripped and phones have been repaired.

Poll! Will VZW Note 4 Retail Ever See ROOT

So this is just a simple Poll Thread. Just wondering if we think the VZW Note 4 will ever see some kind of unlock!
Now a midst allot of the talk going around some say we may HAVE TO have an unlocked bootloader to even consider root.
So this Poll is going to be asking the following question? It is not more so about will we get Unlocked, or will we get root.
The question is:
Do you think we will see any type of unlocking/rooting method for the Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Retail?

freddy0872 said:
So this is just a simple Poll Thread. Just wondering if we think the VZW Note 4 will ever see some kind of unlock!
Now a midst allot of the talk going around some say we may HAVE TO have an unlocked bootloader to even consider root.
So this Poll is going to be asking the following question? It is not more so about will we get Unlocked, or will we get root.
The question is:
Do you think we will see any type of unlocking/rooting method for the Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Retail?
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I say no but with the note 4 you don't need it but TBU and Adway would be nice
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mmw68666 said:
I say no but with the note 4 you don't need it but TBU and Adway would be nice
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Go ahead and put your vote in the top of the OP sir! Id like to see what everyone has to think about this topic!
Granted im very inclined to agree with you on your answer. I dont think its necessary. More or less a habit just to do it and were spoiled with the features! But yes some of the perks would definitely be nice!

I say no. I think every Samsung phone from here on out will be locked down tight on Att and Verizon. Sprint will have root and that will be the only route for rooting in the near future.

I HIGHLY disagree... this device will definitely see root. And although it performs great without it, things like write protection completely diminish the joy of having a capable device. We'll see root, maybe not an unlocked bootloader... but there's always safestrap....Samsung's devs are great, buy ours are better... hence the hiring of Steve.

For 1 just because it is hard to root makes it more tempting for someone to cracking the code and for 2 touchwiz sux it lags freezes and remove all that crap that Verizon and samsung put on our phones.

I mean... the Note 3 was the same.. it had a Root. I'm sure something will pop up

prob have root but no unlock bootloader

Looking back at old devices and seeing where we are now. I think the chances of obtaining a root exploit for this device are like 1 in a million. So I'm going with no on both. But that doesn't take away any value of the phone itself, its still the biggest beast around currently. Its also priced the most among online marketplaces next to the iPhone 6.

Highly unlikely. If it does, it will be some new universal root that happens to work on the Verizon version, but nothing Verizon specific.

Maybe if everyone keeps saying no, someone will look at this thread and be like, "can't? I can't? Lemme show these dudes why I am who I am." Lol

This is the only phone I have ever owned where my keeping it Is not based on root.
Of course I want root, and yes I believe it will happen eventually.

I really hope it will happen. I really have been grinding my teeth using the note 4 without root. I need my per app dpi settings, adaway, and more xposed modules. Honestly I would probably return it if I still could.
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sprintuser1977 said:
This is the only phone I have ever owned where my keeping it Is not based on root.
Of course I want root, and yes I believe it will happen eventually.
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Ditto... love it so far!

Hard to say, but I'm thinking no.

"No" right now and once L is released, helL no. Sorry, but that is what it seems to me.

Results as of right now
Well it seems like the dial is leaning more towards the side of most people thinking we will or most certainly get root.
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Those who think more than likely not or most certainly not.
Ive got high hopes but like i stated im mighty happy with how the device is performing at this point in time. Of course the added benifit of removing junk would be great if anything that and xposed!
Im keeping my Root Alert set to high! LOL
Thanks for voting it up fellas! :good:

i say 100% on KK and on L 75%
i have read a thread just like this on soooo many devices since the OG Droid and the only thing that has been successful since has been locking the bootloader. N4 just needs the right people with it in their hands and that will eventually happen.
L has already gained root access without a modified kernel which you can read about here.
personally i am not moving from the N3 until there is root and at minimum SafeStrap working. i have most of the N4 software features mixed with some L and some S5 stuff with a great theme and some amazing Xposed apps on my N3 that i am not willing to give up. customization from theme to software tweaks is something i highly value.

No root mark my words

What about the KNOX flag? Does it not really matter? I pay 10$ a month for insurace so does the warranty matter that much?

got my s8 today want to root?

so yeah i got my s8 today i'm willing to be a tester for custom rom i want to root mine now so any dev hit me up please

It isn't globally released yet... Be patient
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It isn't globally released yet... Be patient
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it is for me i got mine today i got mine early pre order

This is not a requests/discussion subforum, this is the development subforum.

Skander1998 said:
This is not a requests/discussion subforum, this is the development subforum.
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exactly why i asked about it so we can get it to root get all the devs together

I don't think the USA version will get root for months
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looks like i'm going with exynos version again

If you root, S health (spo2, heart rate meter), secure storage and probably more things stop working for forever if you trip knox. Be very carful friend. Sad days will be ahead if your too brash.

SyLvEsTeR20007 said:
If you root, S health (spo2, heart rate meter), secure storage and probably more things stop working for forever if you trip knox. Be very carful friend. Sad days will be ahead if your too brash.
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Don't know about the rest but my S7 Edge is rooted (and Knox tripped) and S Health works fine so far as I am aware.

xxmcvapourxx said:
so yeah i got my s8 today i'm willing to be a tester for custom rom i want to root mine now so any dev hit me up please
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There's a 95% chance this phone won't see root in the 1st year.

Syn Ack said:
There's a 95% chance this phone won't see root in the 1st year.
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we will if someone can get me the recovery and firmware and i start looking and start testing it hopefully some devs when they get s8 they can help out...

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There's a 95% chance this phone won't see root in the 1st year.
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Sure it does. Altough the exynos version ( wich i have ?)
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If you root, S health (spo2, heart rate meter), secure storage and probably more things stop working for forever if you trip knox. Be very carful friend. Sad days will be ahead if your too brash.
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That's bull****. I am rooted running echoerom s8 port. Knox working s health working and samsung pay working and safetynet passed. Do your homework and get your facts straight
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SyLvEsTeR20007 said:
If you root, S health (spo2, heart rate meter), secure storage and probably more things stop working for forever if you trip knox. Be very carful friend. Sad days will be ahead if your too brash.
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I for one could care less about S Health and Knox. On my previous Samsung devices those are the first things to get removed once I get root. :laugh:

xxmcvapourxx said:
we will if someone can get me the recovery and firmware and i start looking and start testing it hopefully some devs when they get s8 they can help out...
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It doesn't work that easily...
Someone has to discover an exploit or they crack the bootloader. The way you're talking about, cracking the bootloader and loading a custom rooted ROM through recovery, on North American Galaxy devices might as well be a pipe dream. And finding an exploit and rooting the stock ROM usually takes months or years. Every release of Android (especially Samsung versions) makes it harder to exploit.
Someone could get lucky but extremely unlikely.

Syn Ack said:
It doesn't work that easily...
Someone has to discover an exploit or they crack the bootloader. The way you're talking about, cracking the bootloader and loading a custom rooted ROM through recovery, on North American Galaxy devices might as well be a pipe dream. And finding an exploit and rooting the stock ROM usually takes months or years. Every release of Android (especially Samsung versions) makes it harder to exploit.
Someone could get lucky but extremely unlikely.
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i dont care about usa phones, I'm very good at finding exploits i've moved across from the ps3/ps4 scene so it be interesting to see what the s8 exploits are like...Uk ftw...

aggieranch said:
I for one could care less about S Health and Knox. On my previous Samsung devices those are the first things to get removed once I get root. :laugh:
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Good for you, once it's gone, it's gone. No turning back, plus your resale value is worthless too.
Not every one wants that result after rooting it. Your life but I warn for those people who are not aware of what's at stake.

Bah- nothing is at stake. Name 1 warranty claim that was denied because of root. ONE. I've been on these boards since Android 1.x. I have yet to see anyone denied a warranty claim because their phone was rooted.
Dropped, water damage, stolen, etc. - sure. But not due to software. Stop the FUD.

golgothagecko said:
Bah- nothing is at stake. Name 1 warranty claim that was denied because of root. ONE. I've been on these boards since Android 1.x. I have yet to see anyone denied a warranty claim because their phone was rooted.
Dropped, water damage, stolen, etc. - sure. But not due to software. Stop the FUD.
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Ditto, legally in the US they can't deny warranty claims for hardware UNLESS they can prove the software modifications led to the hardware failure (good luck with that) and the only thing I could think of that could potentially damage hardware is overclocking.
That being said there are several reports of warranties being denied when the knox counter is flipped but at the same time there are others that have had warranty repair done with no problems.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2517816&page=13
As for root on the s8, every year it seems to get harder and harder to root these phones but I would imagine as popular as Samsung is you'll probably get root within months.
I myself won't buy one until I can root it Samsung is the HP of smartphones, tons of garbage software preloaded.
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SyLvEsTeR20007 said:
Good for you, once it's gone, it's gone. No turning back, plus your resale value is worthless too.
Not every one wants that result after rooting it. Your life but I warn for those people who are not aware of what's at stake.
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Not really. You can always flash stock and restore. :angel:

aggieranch said:
Not really. You can always flash stock and restore. :angel:
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Sorry mate, does not work like that. It will trip the KNOX fues and when you flash stock back, it still knows it was rooted.
I have my S6 Edge 128GB flashed with network stock firmware from Sam Mobile firmware repo and I can not use the S Health app because it says that the device has had its security compromised, even though it is now running a vanilla samsung firmware with no root.
Don't be so quick to think you know it all friend. If your so sure, I dare you to root it and then restore a stock firmware and try open a KNOX app, Shealth included and watch as it ***** slaps you for doing that. Bye Bye SPO2 meter, Hearth rate meter, secure folder and all the other stuff that can be of use.

uk user should i root

From what I gather Samsung pay over here is identical to Android pay.
I use Android pay daily.
Magisk can help with this
I'm wanting the camera mod and youtube ads away as the main bits.
Let me know

sutty86 said:
From what I gather Samsung pay over here is identical to Android pay.
I use Android pay daily.
Magisk can help with this
I'm wanting the camera mod and youtube ads away as the main bits.
Let me know
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If you don't care about tripping knox, go ahead. Otherwise don't do it.

Just hoping to find out it doesn't bugger anything else up

sutty86 said:
From what I gather Samsung pay over here is identical to Android pay.
I use Android pay daily.
Magisk can help with this
I'm wanting the camera mod and youtube ads away as the main bits.
Let me know
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I would say jump the gun and go root the phone. I dont know if the UK version is rootable myself but if it's possible, do it. You can have any other alternatives outside of samsung apps.

sutty86 said:
Just hoping to find out it doesn't bugger anything else up
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UK user here
do it, like all my other samsung phones the first thing i do when i unbox it is flash a custom rom
the only thing it will bugger up is Knox so stuff like secure folder, samsung pass, samsung pay etc wont work and of course your samsung warranty will be voided.
They were way too late with samsung Pay in the UK for me to wait especially when Android Pay is already out and easily handled with magisk ( i use it daily )
Enjoy

For the camera mod alone I wouldn't. It's irreversible. How important YouTube adaway is to you is your decision. I don't watch videos on my phone so...
Again, you can always root if something you really need comes along. But you can never go back. So if you're asking the question I'm inclined to say no.

Be aware if you are on Vodafone and have insurance rooting will invalidate any claims you make.i have rooted every phone I have owned
.........except my s8. I love her to much to invalidate her warranty by tripping Knox lol

Phone bought 2nd hand
So can't really take out insurance .

I think root is a no no and XDA should be removed from cyberspace or something.
Now seriously... If you want an honest answer this is not the place to ask. What answer you expect on XDA except "go for it"? Of course any XDA user would tell you to root your phone. At the end of the day that's why we are here (on XDA). Because we want to break the "OEMs chains". And first step to do that is rooting.

vladimir_carlan said:
I think root is a no no and XDA should be removed from cyberspace or something.
Now seriously... If you want an honest answer this is not the place to ask. What answer you expect on XDA except "go for it"? Of course any XDA user would tell you to root your phone. At the end of the day that's why we are here (on XDA). Because we want to break the "OEMs chains". And first step to do that is rooting.
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It depends. I've been on xda for years, and advised against rooting. I too root all my phones to get rid of not needed apps and backups. But to be honest, the value for root on the S8 just isn't there atm. No aosp, xposed is irrelevant... As said, only root if there is a specific thing you need, not just because.
Also, even with Samsungs software I don't feel the need for flashing roms anymore like back in the 4.x and back days. Between Nova launcher, substratum and the scaled back styling of Samsungs stock Rom, aosp becomes less and less needed...