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Sony Ericsson Xperia(TM) X1 Available in U.S. 28th of November

Hot off the press: http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/11-12-2008/0004923677&EDATE=

dont get too excited yet!
remember the launch date for uk? 9/30/2008? haha
by the time this X1 is out in USA, it already 2009!

Unlocked = crippled!
Sure....an $800 unlocked phone for the US that will only fully work with a single carrier...riiiiight.
Could Sony Ericsson have possible botched the Xperia any more than they have??
Any bets on the date that SE announces they're withdrawing the Xperia from the US market?
Be seeing you,
The Duck

You ever wonder why people complain that Europe and Japan get all of the "cool" phones and the U.S. doesn't? It's because the way our 3G network is setup. Everyone has different frequencies, and it's almost impossible to make a chip to carry all of them. Europe has a bunch of different carriers that use the same 3G frequencies, which is why it's easier to roll out the phones there. Helps the consumer, helps the carrier, helps the manufacturer.
So when some manufacturer DOES decide to bring a phone to the U.S., you lambaste them because of it's high unlocked price, even though all unlocked phones are expensive. (I was in best buy today and they're selling the N95-4 for $750 still!). Guess what, the X1i is free on contract in Europe. It would be free here too if our 3G network weren't so backwards.
So basically, all these manufacturers are producing 3G phones for the U.S. and they know fully well it only works on AT&T. That's why they only make a few phones compatible - it's not economical to bring them over just to work with one carrier.

dinan said:
You ever wonder why people complain that Europe and Japan get all of the "cool" phones and the U.S. doesn't? It's because the way our 3G network is setup. Everyone has different frequencies, and it's almost impossible to make a chip to carry all of them. Europe has a bunch of different carriers that use the same 3G frequencies, which is why it's easier to roll out the phones there. Helps the consumer, helps the carrier, helps the manufacturer.
So when some manufacturer DOES decide to bring a phone to the U.S., you lambaste them because of it's high unlocked price, even though all unlocked phones are expensive. (I was in best buy today and they're selling the N95-4 for $750 still!). Guess what, the X1i is free on contract in Europe. It would be free here too if our 3G network weren't so backwards.
So basically, all these manufacturers are producing 3G phones for the U.S. and they know fully well it only works on AT&T. That's why they only make a few phones compatible - it's not economical to bring them over just to work with one carrier.
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You're right that the US frequency mish mash is a mess....but don't think for a minute that phones can't include multiple frequencies and that the carriers are innocent! Verizon, for example, recently insisted that a mfr modify their phone to remove frequencies that would allow the phone to work on T-mobile's network (I forget the phone....a blackberry, I think). Who decides that a quad band phone should be released in the US as triband or dual band? The phone mfr...nah.
As microsoft said the other day....US carriers don't want to be considered "dumb pipes"; i.e., providing generic access to cell frequencies for customers to use any phone with at reasonable rates! It's the carriers that block phones from tethering unless extra fees are paid to do what the phone can do using the cell networks....its the carriers that create goofy MediaNet type "services" to extract extra fees for doing what the net provides on the unadulterated phones! Its reminiscent of when AOL made users think they were part of some special club that was better than the new fangled internet....even by rebranding a limited access to the net as their own service!
Ah well....I rant and I vent....and I still pay crazy high phone bills.
Bill Gates himself once said that we'd one day look back and view paying for telephone services based on time and distance as "quaint". Within a country we're clearly there (ever watch an old movie and see people run to the phone when a "long distance" call came through?...too funny). But we're not there currently internationally! One day we'll look back at Orange being able to offer a phone for free on contract compared with AT&T being able to charge $299 or even blackmail the mfr into not making a deal, forcing them to sell a phone (a few of them, anyway) for $800 as quaint.
I can't wait for the arrival of international voice and data packages that would allow customers to choose Orange or AT&T or whomever we want to give our monthly money to without being forced to accept bloated software crippled phones!!
Ahh...ok...NOW rant over.
Be seeing you,
The Duck
p.s. - the carrier greed doesn't excuse Sony for this goofyness! If they wanted to sell an unblocked phone they could have made it compatible with more networks than AT&T. It looks like they screwed up and built a phone that was only suitable for AT&T without locking up a contract with AT&T. The carrier probably used the position of strength to extract more than SE's ego would accept....but the phrase "cutting off your nose to spite your face" comes to mind. Bad SE lawyers + greedy AT&T = bye bye Xperia.

TheDuck said:
Sure....an $800 unlocked phone for the US that will only fully work with a single carrier...riiiiight.
Could Sony Ericsson have possible botched the Xperia any more than they have??
Any bets on the date that SE announces they're withdrawing the Xperia from the US market?
Be seeing you,
The Duck
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if you have to complains, u cant afford it!
did u also complain about HTC diamond selling for 699$ at bestbuy? haha
well, i bought diamond at bestbuy for 699+tax=748$, i know i can get it cheaper online, but i just hate waiting!

X10 with ATT's 3G

Just started looking around to buy an X10. Can't seem to find one that supports ATT's 850/1900 frequency. Do they even sell an X10 that supports that yet ?

Not at the moment. Probably soon. Rogers (Canadian carrier) will be selling its LOCKED x10a so if you want to get it, you'll need to get it unlocked. But it does have the correct frequency for AT&T.

Its coming, rumor has it possible as soon as the Rogers release mid month. Try this link for a little unlocked 850/1900 love ---> http://www.expansys-usa.com/d.aspx?i=190979

Ah ok, thanks guys.

Ya, the X10 will be available through Rogers directly (as well as through Canadian Best Buy stores) on April 15th. Should be $549.99 CDN. It should work on AT&T once unlocked.
There's a thread over on HoFo where U.S. customers are requesting X10's from Canadians:
Anyone In Canada could buy a x10 for me ?

We cant just wander over the border and pick one up?

krabman said:
We cant just wander over the border and pick one up?
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Of course you can. Not convenient for many is all.

In theory the Canadian BB unlocked phone should be the same thing as the American version, be curious to see where it gets priced. Wondering if we will get it in BBs south of the border as I type this.... I would love to put my grubs on this before making a decision.

HTC ONE 3G only in Taiwan

The new HTC One is on sale now in Taiwan but with no 4G or LTE option. They really screwed their own people over by being so stingy and just offering a 3G Model only here in Taiwan. Currently I also only see a 16GB or 32GB Version with no 64GB Version. Imagine Apple modifying their iPhone 5 and sending Taiwan consumers the iPhone 5 with just 3G and 4G option inside their top of the line smartphone. HTC CEO should resign and HTC needs someone with a better brain to take over his position.

desiregeek said:
The new HTC One is on sale now in Taiwan but with no 4G or LTE option. They really screwed their own people over by being so stingy and just offering a 3G Model only here in Taiwan. Currently I also only see a 16GB or 32GB Version with no 64GB Version. Imagine Apple modifying their iPhone 5 and sending Taiwan consumers the iPhone 5 with just 3G and 4G option inside their top of the line smartphone. HTC CEO should resign and HTC needs someone with a better brain to take over his position.
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How sure are you there? Does the sim inserted in that handset do really have LTE coverage? I saw one post on the UK thread talking about the LTE option not showing up when the sim/network that the phone is using doesn't have LTE support.
One user there tried swapping a non LTE network sim & a LTE network sim then the LTE option shows up and dissappears when he used the non LTE network sim.

Riyal said:
How sure are you there? Does the sim inserted in that handset do really have LTE coverage? I saw one post on the UK thread talking about the LTE option not showing up when the sim/network that the phone is using doesn't have LTE support.
One user there tried swapping a non LTE network sim & a LTE network sim then the LTE option shows up and dissappears when he used the non LTE network sim.
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That is how it is on the iPhone 5 because with the iPhone 5 it comes with 4G/LTE Chipset where here they apparently took that option out and only supplied thier smartphones with a 3G chipset.
Check this link out and scroll down to see specs. list.
http://shopping.pchome.com.tw/AEAADF-A74276057

How's the 4G/LTE coverage in Taiwan?

Riyal said:
How sure are you there? Does the sim inserted in that handset do really have LTE coverage? I saw one post on the UK thread talking about the LTE option not showing up when the sim/network that the phone is using doesn't have LTE support.
One user there tried swapping a non LTE network sim & a LTE network sim then the LTE option shows up and dissappears when he used the non LTE network sim.
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I was the poster who has no LTE options in my menus (on Three UK). I couldn't see any post from another user who tried swapping SIMs and the options show/disappear. Do you have a link? I hope I haven't been given a non-LTE handset!

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How's the 4G/LTE coverage in Taiwan?
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None. basically it's the government screwed ourselves and all our ISP feel like earning more bucks by merely 3G.
BTW, hTC one 16G is only released in Taiwan.

patato2 said:
None. basically it's the government screwed ourselves and all our ISP feel like earning more bucks by merely 3G.
BTW, hTC one 16G is only released in Taiwan.
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BTW, hTC one 64G is available in retail channel in Taiwan but not pre-order from carriers.

patato2 said:
None. basically it's the government screwed ourselves and all our ISP feel like earning more bucks by merely 3G.
BTW, hTC one 16G is only released in Taiwan.
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I see.. then there's no point to get LTE version now. The LTE version is more future proof but new flagship come out every year. LTE version might also consume more battery and reserve more RAM for the network.

desiregeek said:
The new HTC One is on sale now in Taiwan but with no 4G or LTE option. They really screwed their own people over by being so stingy and just offering a 3G Model only here in Taiwan. Currently I also only see a 16GB or 32GB Version with no 64GB Version. Imagine Apple modifying their iPhone 5 and sending Taiwan consumers the iPhone 5 with just 3G and 4G option inside their top of the line smartphone. HTC CEO should resign and HTC needs someone with a better brain to take over his position.
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in a second, I found myself just can't disagree with THIS part. HTC got great designers/engineer but they got a xxxx CEO. Chow said he would step down if new ONE fails. That's so appealing that I almost want to NOT buy this phone. Well, almost.

jonstatt said:
I was the poster who has no LTE options in my menus (on Three UK). I couldn't see any post from another user who tried swapping SIMs and the options show/disappear. Do you have a link? I hope I haven't been given a non-LTE handset!
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I remember you but i was talking about another user. He was using the phone with his old sim that has no lte but when he inserted his not yet activated 3sim the option showed up.
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Riyal said:
How sure are you there? Does the sim inserted in that handset do really have LTE coverage? I saw one post on the UK thread talking about the LTE option not showing up when the sim/network that the phone is using doesn't have LTE support.
One user there tried swapping a non LTE network sim & a LTE network sim then the LTE option shows up and disappears when he used the non LTE network sim.
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How's the 4G/LTE coverage in Taiwan?
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They still only have 3G here because they are so freakin stingy and cheap. When Nokia and Sony/Ericsson offered to help Taiwan install their new 4G/LTE network Taiwan refused to save money and wanted to give their people the old system reserved currently for their military/army. No wonder Taiwan is lagging in Asia these days because many of these locals are so stingy to spend and look for more ways to save and cut and instead of spending and improving. Taiwan should have had 4G/LTE service long ago but "No,because no one wanted to spend and waste money on faster speeds"
The Koreans (South Korea) that is and Japanese always make the best and release the best in their markets first where Taiwan is probably the last to sell the best to their own people.
I mean what is the actual difference in cost between then 3G and 4G chipset?? They got a whole production line running here in manufacturing.

Originally Posted by Riyal
How sure are you there? Does the sim inserted in that handset do really have LTE coverage? I saw one post on the UK thread talking about the LTE option not showing up when the sim/network that the phone is using doesn't have LTE support.
One user there tried swapping a non LTE network sim & a LTE network sim then the LTE option shows up and disappears when he used the non LTE network sim.
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Originally Posted by x92
How's the 4G/LTE coverage in Taiwan?
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They still only have 3G here because they are so freakin stingy and cheap. When Nokia and Sony/Ericsson offered to help Taiwan install their new 4G/LTE network Taiwan refused to save money and wanted to give their people the old system reserved currently for their military/army. No wonder Taiwan is lagging in Asia these days because many of these locals are so stingy to spend and look for more ways to save and cut and instead of spending and improving. Taiwan should have had 4G/LTE service long ago but "No,because no one wanted to spend and waste money on faster speeds"
The Koreans (South Korea) that is and Japanese always make the best and release the best in their markets first where Taiwan is probably the last to sell the best to their own people.
I mean what is the actual difference in cost between then 3G and 4G chipset?? They got a whole production line running here in manufacturing.
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Im not sure but here in our country we get like everything thats available we have gsm, edge, cdma, wimax, hspa, hspa+, lte so I don't think its too expensive to think that your country is alot more progressive than ours.
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desiregeek said:
They still only have 3G here because they are so freakin stingy and cheap. When Nokia and Sony/Ericsson offered to help Taiwan install their new 4G/LTE network Taiwan refused to save money and wanted to give their people the old system reserved currently for their military/army. No wonder Taiwan is lagging in Asia these days because many of these locals are so stingy to spend and look for more ways to save and cut and instead of spending and improving. Taiwan should have had 4G/LTE service long ago but "No,because no one wanted to spend and waste money on faster speeds"
The Koreans (South Korea) that is and Japanese always make the best and release the best in their markets first where Taiwan is probably the last to sell the best to their own people.
I mean what is the actual difference in cost between then 3G and 4G chipset?? They got a whole production line running here in manufacturing.
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I think 4G might be more expensive, here in Australia, 4G models are slightly more expensive compared to 3G.
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desiregeek said:
The new HTC One is on sale now in Taiwan but with no 4G or LTE option. They really screwed their own people over by being so stingy and just offering a 3G Model only here in Taiwan. Currently I also only see a 16GB or 32GB Version with no 64GB Version. Imagine Apple modifying their iPhone 5 and sending Taiwan consumers the iPhone 5 with just 3G and 4G option inside their top of the line smartphone. HTC CEO should resign and HTC needs someone with a better brain to take over his position.
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Taiwan does not have 4g/lte network afaik.
There is a 64g version, only from vibo Telco
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taiwan have wimax, lte are expected after 2015 (info from the news).

Relax!
nahojnahoj said:
taiwan have wimax, lte are expected after 2015 (info from the news).
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For those who care, this is worth repeating.
There were originally two competing 4G standards: LTE and WiMax. The Taiwanese government worked with Intel on WiMax (which has been rolled out in certain areas), but eventually LTE become more widely adopted in the global marketplace. Now Taiwan is catching up a little, but aims to auction off its 4G LTE licenses this year, with services eventually coming a year or two later.
As for the HTC One, there are already several variants for different markets (i.e. with different LTE bands). If a market doesn't have LTE, then it might make sense to choose a cheaper 3.5G baseband chip instead (although I don't know if this is the case with Taiwan's model; after all the Nexus 4 had some form of hidden LTE support).
Anyway, it's clearly stated on HTC's Taiwan website, so no-one's being deceptive. If LTE is important (i.e. if you want to roam when traveling abroad), then buy from somewhere like Clove or Handtec that ship to Taiwan (it actually works out slightly cheaper than buying locally).

SuperangelMe said:
For those who care, this is worth repeating.
There were originally two competing 4G standards: LTE and WiMax. The Taiwanese government worked with Intel on WiMax (which has been rolled out in certain areas), but eventually LTE become more widely adopted in the global marketplace. Now Taiwan is catching up a little, but aims to auction off its 4G LTE licenses this year, with services eventually coming a year or two later.
As for the HTC One, there are already several variants for different markets (i.e. with different LTE bands). If a market doesn't have LTE, then it might make sense to choose a cheaper 3.5G baseband chip instead (although I don't know if this is the case with Taiwan's model; after all the Nexus 4 had some form of hidden LTE support).
Anyway, it's clearly stated on HTC's Taiwan website, so no-one's being deceptive. If LTE is important (i.e. if you want to roam when traveling abroad), then buy from somewhere like Clove or Handtec that ship to Taiwan (it actually works out slightly cheaper than buying locally).
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One of the more reasons people go to Hong Kong to shop instead of Taiwan. For every minus that their smartphones have in Taiwan it gives their competitor an edge in sales. Taiwan does get some tourists from China and other countries. In Korea and Japan they offer the best of the products in their own countries to their own people. HTC exports the better items and offers the smartphones with less features to their own people in their own country so they lose out to to their own customers from their own country and from tourist or visitors from abroad as well because instead of buying smartphones in Taiwan they will buy them in Hong Kong or Singapore where they do come with 4G or LTE.
I do like the HTC ONE but this was a very stupid marketing mistake on behalf of HTC Taiwan to sell the local version without 4G/LTE in their high end smartphone model.

I'd be really if it is not LTE capable as this is an innate part of the Quellcom chipset. Without an LTE sim, you simply don't get the menu option but it is still possible with the right sim card.
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drspikes said:
I'd be really if it is not LTE capable as this is an innate part of the Quellcom chipset. Without an LTE sim, you simply don't get the menu option but it is still possible with the right sim card.
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Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 doesn't have network modem integrated to it so HTC One is using a different chipset for networking radios.

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I'd be really if it is not LTE capable as this is an innate part of the Quellcom chipset. Without an LTE sim, you simply don't get the menu option but it is still possible with the right sim card.
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Either that or one got one that just comes with 3G and no 4G or LTE like the ones being sold in Taiwan.

Priv Available for pre-order

Wow. Where was the marketing? I really want them to do well but they're off to a pretty bad start already.
$699 US; $899 CAD. Shipping begins Nov. 6th.
US: http://store.shopblackberry.com/store/bbrryus/en_US/pd/productID.328095700/categoryID.66826200
CAN: http://store.shopblackberry.com/store/bbrryus/en_CA/pd/productID.328095700/categoryID.70448700

Pretty bad start indeed. I was so excited for this phone, willing to pay whatever they charged.
Only to find out today that it isn't on Verizon. I'm crushed! I can't leave the carrier given what I pay for my service. I'd be paying double if I switched.
So so sad

Guys, the carriers have yet to announce their plans on carrier branded versions. This is the unlocked version direct from BB. Give it a week, we'll most likely hear announcements then. I hope T-Mobile announces theirs soon, I want to get it on Jump On Demand with $0 down!

I hope you're right, but I don't have a lot of faith given that they could have said "VZW/SPRINT coming soon" or something like that D:

I don't think the direct shop link would say that, though, because that would imply that they'd sell a VZW/ Sprint version in their online store, which is untrue. That's something they work out with the carriers, who do the marketing in exchange for "exclusivity" and all that blah blah. Don't fret, amigo. Just gotta wait a little bit.

Telus has said they are releasing the Priv on November 6th. That seems to be the date everything is happening.

I hope they will sell the unlocked version in white but not limiting the white version to specific carrier like AT&T or Verizon.

misbehave said:
I hope they will sell the unlocked version in white but not limiting the white version to specific carrier like AT&T or Verizon.
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Me too. I'd love to get the white one if I'm able.

****!
i want it but i live in spain, this phone is my dream

paorpas said:
****!
i want it but i live in spain, this phone is my dream
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Does Spain not have GSM networks? Just buy it from BB unlocked, it'll work on any carrier. I'm no expert on European cell providers, but to my knowledge almost all carriers use the GSM standard there.

Zer0.exe said:
Does Spain not have GSM networks? Just buy it from BB unlocked, it'll work on any carrier. I'm no expert on European cell providers, but to my knowledge almost all carriers use the GSM standard there.
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yes, spain work with GSm networks, and priv have all bands, but in spain now i cant pre-order and buy one in USA on spain 1200$ aprox
i wait to in clove.co.uk, expansys.co.uk and others.. but now only sell official blackberry shop
i have nada galaxy note 5 and gear s2, but prolly i will change note to priv

I usually buy my phones unlocked, but if I was to buy it locked from T-Mobile, what would this mean for me? I am somewhat hoping there will be a way to root this, in the future, no matter how vain this hope may be. I'm wondering if it's carrier locked if this will mean it'll be even harder to customize.
Also, it is my experience, carrier-branded phones have a ton of bloatware BS that I don't need installed. I usually wiped and installed a custom rom. If I cannot do so on this phone, will I be able to remove the apps I don't want?

Spec issues / Missing LTE

Anyone in the US preorder and notice that their received tablet did not have the LTE they were promised in the specifications pre-sales? I got mine in yesterday and there was no nano-sim slot. The manual spells out 2 models, one with and one without, but the website simply said that it had a SIM slot and LTE and didn't give the option for different models - only colors.
I am pissed and feel that I was bait-and-switched. The only reason I bought it was for a better LTE tablet!

I'm also a bit ticked off about this. I have not yet ordered the device simply because the site and information thus far is not clear about LTE...
I just got off the phone with Lenovo sales and they were just as clueless.
My colleague ordered one of these and received Model YB1-X90F and the manual does say that for LTE you need optional model YB1-X90L. I haven't had a good look at his tablet but if you look inside the slot can you at least confirm if there are pins to read the SIM? Perhaps the radio is actually there on all models?
The sales rep did show me a spec sheet which shoes the US yoga book as "None" for WWAN but if you open the PDF spec sheet on the model it has LTE listed as optional. Well WHERE can we select this option???? Again, sales rep and sales rep manager said its all the same and the "option" was the consumer just has to put in their own SIM card. Either way, its not clear.
For reference, here is the Lenovo spec site: http://psref.lenovo.com/Detail/YOGA_Book?M=ZA0V0224US
Click the PDF icon to bring up the more details on the optional LTE.
Update: So I spoke with another sales rep who tells me the marketing team made a mistake when the device was first listed on the US site and that it will NOT have LTE capabilities. Yoga books from other countries "may"

REALLY REALLY DISAPPOINTED. I was a click away from buying this and I decided to "chat" with a Lenovo person about LTE. One said yes it was LTE compatible even though their actual website did not mention it so I got a second opinion and that person said only some models in Europe will have the LTE version. UGH!

If you pull out the SIM/MicroSD tray you see where the SIM would fit is solid metal.
I compared to the SIM/MicroSD on my Galaxy S7 Edge, the Sim space is open and fits the Sim. The MicroSD and the Sim cards lie side by side.
Unfortunately the Samsung tray doesn't line up for me to try to fit it in.

FYI, The best answer Lenovo is willing to offer me is that they do not know if they will ever sell the LTE version and they are willing to issue a full refund and offer a tiny discount on a future purchase.

sigh. I hope Lenovo will start selling the LTE version in the near future.

I got mine last year from Amazon in Germany. It's model YB1-X90L and the LTE module works flawlessly in all European states I visited recently (Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and France) and in the US.
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sigh. I hope Lenovo will start selling the LTE version in the near future.
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docoli said:
I got mine last year from Amazon in Germany. It's model YB1-X90L and the LTE module works flawlessly in all European states I visited recently (Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and France) and in the US.
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ahh! that's good to know. I've seen that model on ebay also. As long as it works for US T-Mobile, then I am sold.

I'm a Vodafone customer in Europe ... In the US, it's a bit random which provider is selected ... I have no idea whether I was connected to T-Mobile during my last US trip ... Sorry for that ...