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I really wish they'd release a version compatible with AT&T 3G. What's it going to take for HTC to realize the demand for their state of the art hardware coupled with a "current gen" OS?
secretasianman said:
I really wish they'd release a version compatible with AT&T 3G. What's it going to take for HTC to realize the demand for their state of the art hardware coupled with a "current gen" OS?
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They should release a radio that supports World Frequency for 3G bands like 850/900/1700/2100. The underlying h/w is capable of 3G bands I belive.
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Its a Vodafone exclusive phone, as in it won't released on any other network. Why would HTC spend money enabling 3G frequencies, and more to the point why would Vodafone let them when they are the one footing the bill for development costs? Don't gripe at HTC, take your anger out on AT&T for not getting the finger out and doing what Tmobile and now Vodafone are doing.
Sometimes I just hate carriers.
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Its a Vodafone exclusive phone, as in it won't released on any other network. Why would HTC spend money enabling 3G frequencies, and more to the point why would Vodafone let them when they are the one footing the bill for development costs? Don't gripe at HTC, take your anger out on AT&T for not getting the finger out and doing what Tmobile and now Vodafone are doing.
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AT&T can't do it due to the exclusivity agreement with Apple they have. See BlackBerry Storm, Samsung Omnia or HTC Touch Diamond all they have missed and they got HTC Touch Pro because they want to lure the AT&T Tilt subscribers to continue. They are not getting Palm Pre also due to this.
Other reason could be Yahoo!. AT&T roots are SBC and it has a deal with Yahoo! for its search. If they get Android, it is going to be all Google, which is contra to their policy.
I may be wrong too.
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HTC Magic available for Rogers Wireless June 2nd Canada
Rogers Wireless announced the availability of the Magic and Dream, June 2nd. Rogers supports the 850 band that AT&T uses. Of course these phones will be locked. Rumoured retail price will be $599 each.
Its coming to tmobile in July for 179 muahahah gonna sell my iphone
Let's just get this thread started, so we don't have to go searching thru various threads and sites to find out any possible news regarding the HD2 coming to AT&T in the US. This is the basis of this new thread:
grandpanda said:
Somebody reported that he handled a prototype HD2 for ATT-USA. It is scheduled for early 2010 release... I am trying to squeeze more info from him.
Just take it for what it's worth though.
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Grandpanda- my butt is falling asleep! I'm on the edge of my seat, waiting word of this possibility. I was shocked to see the text HD2 and att in the same sentence. Please let us know as soon as you hear anything.
I'm Not Shure what Grandpanda hear but I'm very Interesting to know if the HD2 come to AT&T.
Where would this unit fit in their lineup with the Diamond2 on the lower end & the iPhone on the higher end? Don't get me wrong, I'd be very interested to see this phone come to AT&T, but I'm not sure how they'd manage it...
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Where would this unit fit in their lineup with the Diamond2 on the lower end & the iPhone on the higher end? Don't get me wrong, I'd be very interested to see this phone come to AT&T, but I'm not sure how they'd manage it...
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They better find a way to manage it- or they will end up losing a lot of customers that would like the iphone experience with the flexibility of Windows Mobile. I would suspect that could cost them millions of dollars in lost 2-year contracts if Sprint, Verizon, or T-Mobile releases the HD2. What good is it to remain loyal to the iphone while hundreds of loyal customers get fed up I leave. They were already the last one's to release the Touch Pro 2. It's time to take care of the WM users who want the the high-end phones, or they will go elsewhere to escape the iphone prison they are trapped in.
Where it fits in the lineup might be directly related to when their iphone exclusivity ends. I believe it's sometime next year, but I haven't seen a specific date. The other question would be what does the next gen iphone look like relative to the HD2. One thing going for the iphone is it's apparent ease of use, at the expense of flexibility, for the average consumer. It's brought a lot of people into the smartphone ranks and has certainly driven data revenue for ATT. It will be interesting to see what direction Apple takes with the iphone as more and more handsets come to market with similar features and better flexibility.
I use an iphone now, but can't wait to get my hands on an HD2 with ATT 3g, either through them or one brought in from Australia when it launches there.
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Where it fits in the lineup might be directly related to when their iphone exclusivity ends. I believe it's sometime next year, but I haven't seen a specific date. The other question would be what does the next gen iphone look like relative to the HD2. One thing going for the iphone is it's apparent ease of use, at the expense of flexibility, for the average consumer. It's brought a lot of people into the smartphone ranks and has certainly driven data revenue for ATT. It will be interesting to see what direction Apple takes with the iphone as more and more handsets come to market with similar features and better flexibility.
I use an iphone now, but can't wait to get my hands on an HD2 with ATT 3g, either through them or one brought in from Australia when it launches there.
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Is good idea but the 3G band don't work in AT&T HSDPA network,just can connect using EDGE 12 not bad.
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They better find a way to manage it- or they will end up losing a lot of customers that would like the iphone experience with the flexibility of Windows Mobile. I would suspect that could cost them millions of dollars in lost 2-year contracts if Sprint, Verizon, or T-Mobile releases the HD2.
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I couldn't agree w/you more. I'm actually almost already there with the Droid going to Verizon.
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Where it fits in the lineup might be directly related to when their iphone exclusivity ends. I believe it's sometime next year, but I haven't seen a specific date.
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I think you're right on with this assessment.
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Is good idea but the 3G band don't work in AT&T HSDPA network,just can connect using EDGE 12 not bad.
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You are correct with the current version, but I was referring to if an ATT version is released. I think we can also expect to see a version in Australia if we go by the previous HD release. If that is the case it would have the 850Mhz band which is compatible with ATT.
edited - had the wrong phone
hey bugsy this is a very good idea
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You are correct with the current version, but I was referring to if an ATT version is released. I think we can also expect to see a version in Australia if we go by the previous HD release. If that is the case it would have the 850Mhz band which is compatible with ATT.
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http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
Lets hope this is true
HTC HD2 US (HTC Leo) Specs
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1900
I really hope ATT gets this in a reasonable amount of time. My TP2 is falling apart
However I would be willing to import the Aussie version is it will be compatible.
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http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
Lets hope this is true
HTC HD2 US (HTC Leo) Specs
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1900
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+1 = Lets hope that is true. I would spend the extra money and purchse the unlocked one, which would allow us not to have to be held prisoners while other companies release this phone and att chooses not to because of their affinity with the iphone. My question is.....withe the specs of the bands for this particular phone, which carriers would it provide total support for all bands- both Edge and 3G. ATT? T-Mobile? Verizon? Sprint? Would HTC invest in releasing an unlocked HD2 to one of these carriers, but not eventually release a branded carrier-specific one in the near future? It seems like if they spent the time to create it, it would be released by the carrier it supports at a lower discounted price. Either way- just make one with full Att support, and I'll be picking one up the next day!
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http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
Lets hope this is true
HTC HD2 US (HTC Leo) Specs
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1900
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Unfortunately, those are "Datasheet State: Preliminary specifications" which means pdadb has know idea till the specs are finalized...
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My question is.....withe the specs of the bands for this particular phone, which carriers would it provide total support for all bands- both Edge and 3G. ATT? T-Mobile? Verizon? Sprint?
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Sprint and Verizon are CDMA networks so the GSM versions of the phone from ATT / Tmobile would not be compatible.
I don't really care if AT&T actually carries the phone officially. I hope that it when it gets released it will just support the AT&T bands. I'm going unbranded if possible! Just want the 3G speed is all!
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I don't really care if AT&T actually carries the phone officially. I hope that it when it gets released it will just support the AT&T bands. I'm going unbranded if possible! Just want the 3G speed is all!
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Ditto. If you think about it- an ipod Touch costs $450, then you by the HD2 to replace that, as well as serve as your phone. I won't have a problem convincing myself to buy the unbranded US 3G version, as long as it supports all AT&T bands.
If history is a predictor of future behavior, AT&T will be late to the game if it appears at all. Chances are likely that we will only see the 850 mhz 3g band on Telstra (AUS), as it did with the Touch HD with it's hiked up price tag nearing the $1k mark. I hope I'm wrong as I am praying it comes to AT&T as well.
If AT&T is the only carrier (which I doubt because T-Mobile is getting it from all indications) or GSM is only what this phone will do that will suck. I hope CDMA gets it because where I live AT&T and T-Mobile both don't cover our area.
I did send an email to HTC USA about the possibility of an unbranded/unlocked HD2 being produced for the US market and what carriers might be branding the phone for their networks. Not good news at this time but here was their response.
Hello XXXXX,
We thank you for the question about what carriers will have the HD2 in North America and if we are going to create an unlocked version of the HD2 that works on North American 3G networks. We will be more than happy to help you in this situation. Unfortunately we do not have any plans to launch an unlocked version of the HD2 in North America. If this stance changes it would be published as a news release on our American and Canadian websites. As for carriers picking up the device, it is up to them to get the device on their network and sell it. The carrier would be the place to ask in this situation as they usually brand the device as their own and sell it as their own. Anything on the internet that is not on a carriers website or our own can be considered rumor.
This is more of a discussion starter than a question. I recently switched from the Galaxy Nexus to the Note II. I love the size, but I desperately miss the beauty and compatibility my nexus had with AOSP. It just isn't there with the Note II development. Consequently, I'm REALLY rooting for T-Mobile to get the Togari Phablet when it is released.
From my understanding, Sony devices are pretty dang close to nexus devices with the code they release. Ergo, this may be the closest we can get to a nexus phablet for quite some time. I do expect Google to eventually split the nexus phone line into a phablet and more traditional size phone, but that could be a year or two away.
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This is more of a discussion starter than a question. I recently switched from the Galaxy Nexus to the Note II. I love the size, but I desperately miss the beauty and compatibility my nexus had with AOSP. It just isn't there with the Note II development. Consequently, I'm REALLY rooting for T-Mobile to get the Togari Phablet when it is released.
From my understanding, Sony devices are pretty dang close to nexus devices with the code they release. Ergo, this may be the closest we can get to a nexus phablet for quite some time. I do expect Google to eventually split the nexus phone line into a phablet and more traditional size phone, but that could be a year or two away.
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I don't see any reason to wait if Carrier X will carry Device Y.
When the device is released, just go and buy it. Carrier branded devices are inferior and very expensive since there is a contract involved or an installment plan in the case of T-Mobile.
So just buy the Togari when it is released. To me, it is downright funny with all those people that asks "will Carrier X sell this device?" or "I hope that carrier X will bring this device in". To me, being dependent on a carrier is just an abnormal behavior. If an interesting device is released somewhere in the world, I just buy it provided that it works with my SIM card.
I look forward to the Togari and if it is really good, I will consider selling the Xperia Z in order to get it.
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I don't see any reason to wait if Carrier X will carry Device Y.
When the device is released, just go and buy it. Carrier branded devices are inferior and very expensive since there is a contract involved or an installment plan in the case of T-Mobile.
So just buy the Togari when it is released. To me, it is downright funny with all those people that asks "will Carrier X sell this device?" or "I hope that carrier X will bring this device in". To me, being dependent on a carrier is just an abnormal behavior. If an interesting device is released somewhere in the world, I just buy it provided that it works with my SIM card.
I look forward to the Togari and if it is really good, I will consider selling the Xperia Z in order to get it.
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I feel you. I don't care about if it's got T-Mobile's logo. I just want the frequencies to be right to get decent data speeds. I bought the AT&T Note 2 instead of the T-Mobile because the Wireless Charging pins worked on AT&Ts.
For the frequencies to work, I think we'll likely need to see an official T-Mobile release. US Unlocked versions are becoming more popular, but they are still limited. Given the variety of the major four carriers, how only two are GSM, and those two use mostly different freqs for data, It's hard to "Just go buy the phone" as you state.
I don´t think it is hard to buy a phone outright today. The Xperia Z C6602 offers pentaband and works perfect on both AT&T and T-Mobile. There´s no need for a T-Mobile branded device - all it takes is pentaband.
I know the carrier mess in the country but there are many options and since I am used to the way the system works in the EU, I apply the same standards here. I have owned two carrier branded device in my life and won´t allow a third one to enter. My experience with the Vodafone K700i and Verizon Thunderbolt has put me off.
I am pretty sure that Togari will arrive with pentaband since Xperia Z offers it.
When it comes LTE, it is a no go to me as long as it is connected with carrier branding and a lack of compatibility between EU/US frequencies. The lack of VoLTE is another dealbreaker. I will get it when there is a VoLTE device that is unlocked and works on both sides of the Atlantic ocean. Until that happens, I will use HSPA+ on unlocked pentaband products.
I wrote this in another comment on branded devices:
Use a credit card instead but even better, do the simple math:
Carrier branded device: $99 down payment (depends on the credit rating).
Monthly bill: (Unlimited data) $70 per month
Taxes and fees: $10-20 per month
Monthly installment: $20 per month
Total monthly cost: $100-110 (depending on the regulatory taxes and fees)
Total cost for the device (provided that 24 months of installment is selected):
$99 + $100-110/month x 24 = $2499-2740 (depending on the taxes).
You can trim this by buying it outright and put T-Mobile prepaid on.
Then we have the method I always use:
Unlocked Xperia Z: $599
Monthly cost: $30-49 per month (T-Mobile prepaid $30 plan, Straight Talk (T-Mobile) or Solavei (T-Mobile)
Taxes and fees: $0
Monthly installment: $0
Total monthly cost: $30-49
Total cost during 24 months: $1319-1775
Savings: $965-1180
Don't tell me that a carrier branded device is "cheaper" than the unbranded, unlocked version and please don't complain about device costs when you are ready to sign away $2499-2740 when the alternative saves you approximately $1000.
I don't get people that complain about buying a device unlocked when they are ready sign away a huge amount of money. The same people seem to understand that computers don't cost $99 and then $100 in Internet Service or that TV sets are $199 paired with minimum cable package of $75. They can buy a computer for $699 or a TV set for $699 without complaining. But when it comes to a smartphone, it is a lot of moan and gritting teeth when the price tag says $599 so they prefer to pay $2499 for it instead since they are forced to sign a contract.
T-Mobile don't do contracts any more, I know that perfectly well but the fact remains: a T-Mobile branded device with 24 months of installments paired with service cost a lot more than the unlocked edition.
To me, $2499 and more is way too expensive for a smartphone so I always opt for the cheap route and buy it unlocked. I got a superior device, no carrier bloatware at all, no carrier branding at all, updates straight from the manufacturer, unlockable bootloader (for the Xperia Z) and everything the way Sony intended.
So buying a T-Mobile Xperia Z and truly believing that it is "cheaper" is a less optimum action. But it is obviously not my money, those that want to give $1000+ to a carrier are free to do so. We live in a free world.
But they should not even try to claim that those extra $1000 somehow is a "cheaper" deal. It is like claiming that $10 is more than $20 ($20 is 5 + 1 x 15 in this case).
I prefer to have $1000 in my wallet rather than giving them to a carrier and then "enjoying" branding, bloatware and locked bootloaders.
As I wrote, I wonder how people can buy a new computer, a car, a TV etc without subsidies but when it comes to a phone, then it is disaster to pay $599 and a cheap monthly plan when you can pay $1000 more just in order to think that "I paid only $99 for the device, it is cheaper than $599!"
E90 Commie said:
I don't see any reason to wait if Carrier X will carry Device Y.
When the device is released, just go and buy it. Carrier branded devices are inferior and very expensive since there is a contract involved or an installment plan in the case of T-Mobile.
So just buy the Togari when it is released. To me, it is downright funny with all those people that asks "will Carrier X sell this device?" or "I hope that carrier X will bring this device in". To me, being dependent on a carrier is just an abnormal behavior. If an interesting device is released somewhere in the world, I just buy it provided that it works with my SIM card.
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Whenever I return to the US I'm always astounded at how the carriers can ruin a phone - all the way back to the original Moto Razrs... It makes me feel sorry for the majority US phone customers who accept what the carriers give them actually have no idea what the phone manufacturer intended with the device.
colacin said:
Whenever I return to the US I'm always astounded at how the carriers can ruin a phone - all the way back to the original Moto Razrs... It makes me feel sorry for the majority US phone customers who accept what the carriers give them actually have no idea what the phone manufacturer intended with the device.
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At least now on T-Mobile we can get plans where we aren't losing money by bringing our own phone. That can't be said for the other carriers meaning there is a significant added cost to buying unlocked handsets (higher monthly rates caused by subsidy payback). Additionally, if we want working HSPA+ and LTE (3G/4G), 95% of the time we can't use unlocked handsets or at least can't use them to the network's fullest potential.
For instance, the C6602 Xperia Z doesn't work perfectly. Here are the frequencies.
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 and HSPA Bands 850/1900/2100
AT&T uses 1900 for HSPA+, but T-Mobile is actively refarming this frequency and it's coverage for it is low. It's main HSPA+ is on AWS 1700/2100 which doesn't work on this phone. Meanwhile, it lacks LTE all together. Additionally, the C6603 that does have LTE doesn't work on either AT&T or T-Mobile's bands.
With a few exceptions (like the Nexus 4), unlocked devices aren't made for the US because of the carrier lock down and subsidization business model. However that does look to be changing. We are starting to get unlocked US devices (the HTC one for example). However, it's a slow process. So my point is, it's not simple at all. If it was, I would be doing it.
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With a few exceptions (like the Nexus 4), unlocked devices aren't made for the US because of the carrier lock down and subsidization business model. However that does look to be changing. We are starting to get unlocked US devices (the HTC one for example). However, it's a slow process. So my point is, it's not simple at all. If it was, I would be doing it.
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Well, the devices themselves would work fine if given a chance to- it's the carriers who are the problems. After being in Singapore for such a long time where carriers are prohibited from selling locked handsets, visiting the US makes the whole system there seem a bit archaic.
I don't really know how the carriers here do it, since the cost of the phone (to the consumer) is about the same, and the monthly plan is usually cheaper.
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Well, the devices themselves would work fine if given a chance to- it's the carriers who are the problems. After being in Singapore for such a long time where carriers are prohibited from selling locked handsets, visiting the US makes the whole system there seem a bit archaic.
I don't really know how the carriers here do it, since the cost of the phone (to the consumer) is about the same, and the monthly plan is usually cheaper.
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yeah. I'm just REALLY hoping T-Mobile's plans catch on so the other carriers adopt it. If that happens, prices will drop like crazy, just like it did for tablets. If you are an American consumer who wants change in the mobile industry, the best thing you can do right now is switch to T-Mobile.
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At least now on T-Mobile we can get plans where we aren't losing money by bringing our own phone. That can't be said for the other carriers meaning there is a significant added cost to buying unlocked handsets (higher monthly rates caused by subsidy payback). Additionally, if we want working HSPA+ and LTE (3G/4G), 95% of the time we can't use unlocked handsets or at least can't use them to the network's fullest potential.
For instance, the C6602 Xperia Z doesn't work perfectly. Here are the frequencies.
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 and HSPA Bands 850/1900/2100
AT&T uses 1900 for HSPA+, but T-Mobile is actively refarming this frequency and it's coverage for it is low. It's main HSPA+ is on AWS 1700/2100 which doesn't work on this phone. Meanwhile, it lacks LTE all together. Additionally, the C6603 that does have LTE doesn't work on either AT&T or T-Mobile's bands.
With a few exceptions (like the Nexus 4), unlocked devices aren't made for the US because of the carrier lock down and subsidization business model. However that does look to be changing. We are starting to get unlocked US devices (the HTC one for example). However, it's a slow process. So my point is, it's not simple at all. If it was, I would be doing it.
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The specifications for the C6602 says (taken from GSM Arena):
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - C6602
The Xperia C 6602 is fully capable of working on T-Mobile even in non-refarmed areas. I tried a SpeedTest on that carrier with my C6602 and got decent speeds.
Then I don't see the point of having LTE in the US just yet. To me, it is only useful if the data plan includes 10 GB or more. 2 GB of LTE data is just not interesting at all since no high quality streaming can be used, especially not if there is a desire to be able to browse the Internet etc.
To me, the most logical option in the US is to buy an unlocked phone and put a prepaid card in since the postpaid plans are just ridiculous. $100 per month for a basic plan is just insane but is the result of the carrier pretending to be a manufacturer (altering devices, buying a huge batch of them, support, recovery of subsidies etc). It is very naive when people believe that it is the "quality" that cost extra. No, it is not the quality but a disastrous business model.
To me, there's no doubt that having a postpaid contract in the US is just a waste of money when an unlocked, unbranded device with a prepaid card offers a superior deal. My experience of postpaid is simply that not even Verizon can be compared with a carrier like 3 in Sweden. When the monthly bill is included in the judgment, it is evident that prepaid and unlocked is the way to go.
For those that are using T-Mobile, their prepaid plans or one of the MVNOs (Straight Talk, Solavei) offers a better deal - especially with an unlocked, unbranded device.
It has been easy for me to ditch the contract and switch over to the unlocked, prepaid route but I am used to that model from Europe. Even if the market conditions in the US is very bad, there are still solutions available so the reasons to stick to postpaid are very limited. And no, 2 GB of LTE data doesn't change that.
I would even say that I rather use EDGE on an unlocked phone rather than LTE with a carrier branded one. To me, branding and $100 monthly bills are such a huge drawback that 2 GB of LTE data just can't compensate. On the same way I rather use a decent computer on a slow Internet connection than an inferior one on a fast connection.
Fortunately, it is possible to get perfectly good HSPA+ data from the MVNOs.
Poke_N_PDA said:
At least now on T-Mobile we can get plans where we aren't losing money by bringing our own phone. That can't be said for the other carriers meaning there is a significant added cost to buying unlocked handsets (higher monthly rates caused by subsidy payback). Additionally, if we want working HSPA+ and LTE (3G/4G), 95% of the time we can't use unlocked handsets or at least can't use them to the network's fullest potential.
For instance, the C6602 Xperia Z doesn't work perfectly. Here are the frequencies.
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 and HSPA Bands 850/1900/2100
AT&T uses 1900 for HSPA+, but T-Mobile is actively refarming this frequency and it's coverage for it is low. It's main HSPA+ is on AWS 1700/2100 which doesn't work on this phone. Meanwhile, it lacks LTE all together. Additionally, the C6603 that does have LTE doesn't work on either AT&T or T-Mobile's bands.
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Yeah as noted above me that is incorrect info. The C6602 works just fine on T-Mobile HSPA+
C6602
UMTS HSPA+ 850 (Band V), 900 (Band VIII), 1700 (Band IV), 1900 (Band II), 2100 (Band I) MHz
GSM GPRS/EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
But the C6606 is coming soon and will be exclusive.
As for the Togari Sep/Oct US release unlocked.
Is "Togari" just an internal codename or has Sony run out of letters?
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Is "Togari" just an internal codename or has Sony run out of letters?
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Internal code name
Spectre51 said:
Yeah as noted above me that is incorrect info. The C6602 works just fine on T-Mobile HSPA+
C6602
UMTS HSPA+ 850 (Band V), 900 (Band VIII), 1700 (Band IV), 1900 (Band II), 2100 (Band I) MHz
GSM GPRS/EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
But the C6606 is coming soon and will be exclusive.
As for the Togari Sep/Oct US release unlocked.
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Well, I cut and pasted that info from Amazon.com. So it's only as accurate as that. Good to know Sony is one of the few who offer proper freqs.
Hopefully though T-Mobile's open nature will increase our unlocked offerings. Specifically, I bet the Motorola X will be available. Also, if the Xperia Z is I bet the Togari will be too.
So, back to point of the thread, do people agree that Sony devices work about as well as nexus devices for AOSP roms?
Wow. Where was the marketing? I really want them to do well but they're off to a pretty bad start already.
$699 US; $899 CAD. Shipping begins Nov. 6th.
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Pretty bad start indeed. I was so excited for this phone, willing to pay whatever they charged.
Only to find out today that it isn't on Verizon. I'm crushed! I can't leave the carrier given what I pay for my service. I'd be paying double if I switched.
So so sad
Guys, the carriers have yet to announce their plans on carrier branded versions. This is the unlocked version direct from BB. Give it a week, we'll most likely hear announcements then. I hope T-Mobile announces theirs soon, I want to get it on Jump On Demand with $0 down!
I hope you're right, but I don't have a lot of faith given that they could have said "VZW/SPRINT coming soon" or something like that D:
I don't think the direct shop link would say that, though, because that would imply that they'd sell a VZW/ Sprint version in their online store, which is untrue. That's something they work out with the carriers, who do the marketing in exchange for "exclusivity" and all that blah blah. Don't fret, amigo. Just gotta wait a little bit.
Telus has said they are releasing the Priv on November 6th. That seems to be the date everything is happening.
I hope they will sell the unlocked version in white but not limiting the white version to specific carrier like AT&T or Verizon.
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I hope they will sell the unlocked version in white but not limiting the white version to specific carrier like AT&T or Verizon.
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Me too. I'd love to get the white one if I'm able.
****!
i want it but i live in spain, this phone is my dream
paorpas said:
****!
i want it but i live in spain, this phone is my dream
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Does Spain not have GSM networks? Just buy it from BB unlocked, it'll work on any carrier. I'm no expert on European cell providers, but to my knowledge almost all carriers use the GSM standard there.
Zer0.exe said:
Does Spain not have GSM networks? Just buy it from BB unlocked, it'll work on any carrier. I'm no expert on European cell providers, but to my knowledge almost all carriers use the GSM standard there.
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yes, spain work with GSm networks, and priv have all bands, but in spain now i cant pre-order and buy one in USA on spain 1200$ aprox
i wait to in clove.co.uk, expansys.co.uk and others.. but now only sell official blackberry shop
i have nada galaxy note 5 and gear s2, but prolly i will change note to priv
I usually buy my phones unlocked, but if I was to buy it locked from T-Mobile, what would this mean for me? I am somewhat hoping there will be a way to root this, in the future, no matter how vain this hope may be. I'm wondering if it's carrier locked if this will mean it'll be even harder to customize.
Also, it is my experience, carrier-branded phones have a ton of bloatware BS that I don't need installed. I usually wiped and installed a custom rom. If I cannot do so on this phone, will I be able to remove the apps I don't want?
CDMA - Verizon (not), Sprint?, U.S. Cellular?
GSM - AT&T?, T-Mobile?
As with a lot of other people on this site, I'm wondering which carrier will be best to pre-order from? I use Verizon but HATE the fact that most of the times it's one of the last carriers to be able to root the phone. I would also hate for this to turn into another Verizon Samsung Note 4 issue. Too bad the rumors where Samsung was going to start making phones that were both CDMA & GSM/UTMS were not true (as far as I am aware of).
This way since I'm now paying outright for my phones (roughly $800 bucks for 7 Edge), I could use it if I moved between carriers. After reading some other posts, now I'm wondering If I'm paying full price (paid in full), Will it be unlocked? I can't be the only one that feels RIPPED OFF when I pay $800 for a device and can't have root = have my own admin access. Can you imagine buying a laptop and not being able to install/change your own OS? not having admin rights/root?
I feel it's a MAJOR excuse for a carrier to even say - if we give you root & you change the ROM, then it makes it more difficult to help you. Guess what?!? I have not ever asked for help and nor would I... Besides, why couldn't they ask for the ROM version your using... if it matches theirs, they assist... if it doesn't, they tell you before they can assist you, you must put their ROM back on? Yes - there will always be that one person... but hey - if they were able to gain root and swap the ROM, they should be able to swap it back or pay to have it swapped back. OR at least pay for insurance and "accidentally drop it" and have it replaced.
It really bites that I (along with so many other people) want to pre-order the phone for several reasons (the free VR and games along with getting the phone first) but don't want to be SCREWED by one specific carrier and not be able to unlock the phone, root and replace the ROM.
So after all that - which carrier (historically) is the best to purchase from?
CDMA - Verizon (not), Sprint?, U.S. Cellular?
GSM - AT&T?, T-Mobile?
Additional INFO - I'm also about to call Verizon to confirm - But I read 2-3 months ago that Verizon will now allow another carrier's phone on their network (if it is CDMA). If that's true, then why not purchase the phone thru Sprint or US Cellular if historically those phones have been rooted easier than Verizon? I've been on Verizon for so long, that I'm really not sure...
Comments? suggestions?
What I'm going to do is pre-order from eBay.
The phones have a hell of a mark-up (+$200/$300), but there are unlocked Qualcomms that are usually rooted much more quickly with better support for AOSP.
I hate paying that much, but I'm going to have this phone for years, and the hassle from carrier-branded phones just isn't worth it.
Edit: You should still be able to add insurance and such through your carrier too, depending on their policies.
Didn't have an issue insuring previous phones with AT&T even though they were bought off-plan through other retailers.
It is slightly cheaper when buying it from Best Buy, $779 vs $792. I saw the T-mobile version supports band 13 LTE, but I didn't see anything about CDMA support.
I also did follow up with Verizon about placing a phone on their network that was not purchased from Verizon. They said it is currently limited to 2 phones - I don't have the names because I didn't care much......they couldn't tell me the S7 would be added to the list. So does that mean people on Verizon are STUCK purchasing from Verizon?
For my s6 edge I much preferred the unlocked UK version over the US AT&T version. (Which is why I asked in another thread when we can expect to see unlocked international versions).
AT&T not only added crazy bloat but removed really cool features from the phone. Just took em right out. They also removed Samsung deals/bundles from the phone (there was a MS suite and a free TB of storage or something removed). And in exchange for screwing with the phone they had crazy delays on updates (because they had to re-remove and re-screw the phone).
Coming from iPhone I just can't deal with carrier customizations. Unlocked for life. (crazy that Apple is unlocked now and Android isn't -- bizarro world).
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I also did follow up with Verizon about placing a phone on their network that was not purchased from Verizon. They said it is currently limited to 2 phones - I don't have the names because I didn't care much......they couldn't tell me the S7 would be added to the list. So does that mean people on Verizon are STUCK purchasing from Verizon?
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Nexus devices are the exception (6, 5X and 6P). The problem with VZW and Sprint is that they use proprietary CDMA technology for voice communication. You can bring just about any device to their networks and have data but you won't be able to make voice calls in most cases.
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JustWannaRom said:
CDMA - Verizon (not), Sprint?, U.S. Cellular?
GSM - AT&T?, T-Mobile?
As with a lot of other people on this site, I'm wondering which carrier will be best to pre-order from? I use Verizon but HATE the fact that most of the times it's one of the last carriers to be able to root the phone. I would also hate for this to turn into another Verizon Samsung Note 4 issue. Too bad the rumors where Samsung was going to start making phones that were both CDMA & GSM/UTMS were not true (as far as I am aware of).
This way since I'm now paying outright for my phones (roughly $800 bucks for 7 Edge), I could use it if I moved between carriers. After reading some other posts, now I'm wondering If I'm paying full price (paid in full), Will it be unlocked? I can't be the only one that feels RIPPED OFF when I pay $800 for a device and can't have root = have my own admin access. Can you imagine buying a laptop and not being able to install/change your own OS? not having admin rights/root?
I feel it's a MAJOR excuse for a carrier to even say - if we give you root & you change the ROM, then it makes it more difficult to help you. Guess what?!? I have not ever asked for help and nor would I... Besides, why couldn't they ask for the ROM version your using... if it matches theirs, they assist... if it doesn't, they tell you before they can assist you, you must put their ROM back on? Yes - there will always be that one person... but hey - if they were able to gain root and swap the ROM, they should be able to swap it back or pay to have it swapped back. OR at least pay for insurance and "accidentally drop it" and have it replaced.
It really bites that I (along with so many other people) want to pre-order the phone for several reasons (the free VR and games along with getting the phone first) but don't want to be SCREWED by one specific carrier and not be able to unlock the phone, root and replace the ROM.
So after all that - which carrier (historically) is the best to purchase from?
CDMA - Verizon (not), Sprint?, U.S. Cellular?
GSM - AT&T?, T-Mobile?
Additional INFO - I'm also about to call Verizon to confirm - But I read 2-3 months ago that Verizon will now allow another carrier's phone on their network (if it is CDMA). If that's true, then why not purchase the phone thru Sprint or US Cellular if historically those phones have been rooted easier than Verizon? I've been on Verizon for so long, that I'm really not sure...
Comments? suggestions?
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Tmobile period, not going to lock the boot loader you'll be able to root (provided the community finds a way, but it's a snap dragon and unlocked bootloader so they will most likely before it even releases. ) second if you don't want tmo service you can still root it and use am at&t sim so there's that.