Sorry to rant, but I know this forum is to help people get more from their phones, but quite a lot of people still are incompetent, and can't follow basic instructions!!!! Take for instance, the modem problem, where you lose your imei or imei starts with 0049, read the stickies!!! Read the guides!!! Back up your efs!!! Virtually every post in dev forum has someone who didn't read properly!!! Another thing is people not understanding what BETA means!!! Android 4.3 is fairly new, and the great devs have done a sterling job bringing it to our s3's....things are not gonna work perfectly straight from the off! There will be bugs!! Please please use search first!!!!
They are deaf and blind towards this thread, just as they are towards instructions and such
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A standard in flashing anything is make a good nandroid you can go bk on and many efs bkups and have the right modem. And last but not least don't flash nothing that's not ment for your phone. It's just a shame that s3 threads are full of old information that's no use to no one now a days. S2 threads are upto date and more useful I have found.
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It's just a shame that s3 threads are full of old information that's no use to no one now a days. S2 threads are upto date and more useful I have found.
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Basic reasons for that are the general page gets flooded with non relevant stuff .
Any user can and has posted a guide even when wrong in parts .
SGS3 has had a number of critical changes during its life in regard to guides . One SDS and two new EFS as examples ,Noobs don't bother looking and would prefer to post a question that was asked in the last hour . Many boobs are non XDA brick their phone and end up on XDA via Google .
Many many experienced members just get sick and tired of the same repetitive help posts and no longer bother .
Why go to the trouble of making a guide and spend your next thousand posts telling users to read the guide first .
SGS3 simply has a poorer new users base as anyone with no knowledge will flash anything . There was a time when this was a developers forum and new users started out by learning the basics first .
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JJEgan said:
It's just a shame that s3 threads are full of old information that's no use to no one now a days. S2 threads are upto date and more useful I have found.
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Basic reasons for that are the general page gets flooded with non relevant stuff .
Any user can and has posted a guide even when wrong in parts .
SGS3 has had a number of critical changes during its life in regard to guides . One SDS and two new EFS as examples ,Noobs don't bother looking and would prefer to post a question that was asked in the last hour . Many boobs are non XDA brick their phone and end up on XDA via Google .
Many many experienced members just get sick and tired of the same repetitive help posts and no longer bother .
Why go to the trouble of making a guide and spend your next thousand posts telling users to read the guide first .
SGS3 simply has a poorer new users base as anyone with no knowledge will flash anything . There was a time when this was a developers forum and new users started out by learning the basics first .
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The higher the quantity, the lower the quality, it's a principle that applies to mankind itself
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I understand the changes it's had but say for instance root. I had problems rooting this the other day. I really wanted to stay away from odin cuz I don't like it and it bricks phone. I looked and read for guides on how to but all that was there was no good for me. But alone my travels I learned a lot about how efs changed and am very grateful for the info that has bin put down about this. But it's scattered info. If some one made a guide and made it a sticky on how to root for every change then I could of just gone to this read it and would never of had to ask the question. On s2 there is a guide on how to root every firmware all in one. Read it and jobs done your rooted weather is gb or ics or jb it's all there and how to do it. If more thread like this are made then it would be a better place I think. Same with imei problems. Read it and jobs done. Imei sorted. Like I said the info on s3 is scattered about and hard to find what's right and what's not. Odin lol info on that I went bk to @Hopper8 guide on that cuz it's probably the best guide out there on any thread to solve problems with it. I read I understood and rooted my phone no problems. Like I said iv never use odin but now I'm the boss of odin. But if I did have problems I no that guide would of got me out of the jam. Basics are one thing but actually using these are different in the real world.
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I understand the changes it's had but say for instance root. I had problems rooting this the other day. I really wanted to stay away from odin cuz I don't like it and it bricks phone.
That is not true .
I looked and read for guides on how to but all that was there was no good for me.
Stickied faqs and guides Post One Understanding the basics before rooting .
Post two EFS .
. Same with imei problems.
Stickied faqs and guides are not scattered all over the place .
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Out of top 3 guides in sticky roll-up...
Pm'd zoot1. He updated to point to cf auto root instead of cf root
Pm'd jonnny for advice about noob thread. Good thread, absent op. Needs to go (shame) or not point to cf root as cwm 5 is sds dangerous
Pm'd op of flashing guide as root method is insecure kernel flash. Ics method. No response. Offline for months. Again shame to lose. Will ask @Jonny for advice
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andrewwright said:
I understand the changes it's had but say for instance root. I had problems rooting this the other day. I really wanted to stay away from odin cuz I don't like it and it bricks phone.
That is not true .
I looked and read for guides on how to but all that was there was no good for me.
Stickied faqs and guides Post One Understanding the basics before rooting .
Post two EFS .
. Same with imei problems.
Stickied faqs and guides are not scattered all over the place .
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Iv spent all my time on xda on s2 threads.
Odin don't brick phones people brick phones. But the risk of using odin over cwm/twrp is massive. Say the power go's out or pc/laptop shuts down... Game over. This is why I never used Odin or had to in just under two years with my s2. I read lots of threads just for the sake of it. Stickies I never did. One reason... No user feed bk. Real world feed bk cuz there locked. You see no one really wants to go from link to Link to link and read and read and read when if a thread was opened and all them links were all in the same thread at the top and users could add there own feed bk to it on how they did restore there imei and others could read it and work out how to do it there self instead of posting "how do I restore imei" think about it... If a thread was in q and a now on how to do that there would be half them threads not made. Like in s2 q and a. Take a look at "how to restore you imei in 9 steps" on q and a. Great feed bk and people send people there. It's well known and used. If you can't restore from that it's service centre job.
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The "stickies" aren't actually stickied. Just linked in one locked sticky to keep it tidy. All those threads linked have user feedback.
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Out of top 3 guides in sticky roll-up...
Pm'd zoot1. He updated to point to cf auto root instead of cf root
Pm'd jonnny for advice about noob thread. Good thread, absent op. Needs to go (shame) or not point to cf root as cwm 5 is sds dangerous
Pm'd op of flashing guide as root method is insecure kernel flash. Ics method. No response. Offline for months. Again shame to lose. Will ask @Jonny for advice
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Why not create a new thread for the noob and flashing guides, copy the previous posts but correct with current info, then adjust sticky to point to the new thread.
Original poster could still be acknowledged, without leaving noobs using dangerous tools.
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Why not create a new thread for the noob and flashing guides, copy the previous posts but correct with current info, then adjust sticky to point to the new thread.
Original poster could still be acknowledged, without leaving noobs using dangerous tools.
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If I had the time, I would consider it but they both only need a tiny adjustment. 1 needs to point to cf auto root. Another needs root section removed. Rather than remove the thread, if a moderator would allow the concept of suggesting the updates, that's the quickest step. If not, then your suggestion is the only realistic one. Lets see what jonny says. I don't really like replacing existing threads with my own unless completely necessary.
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Pm'd jonnny for advice about noob thread. Good thread, absent op. Needs to go (shame) or not point to cf root as cwm 5 is sds dangerous
Pm'd op of flashing guide as root method is insecure kernel flash. Ics method. No response. Offline for months. Again shame to lose. Will ask @Jonny for advice
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Oops, sorry for not replying - I meant to and got side tracked then completely forgot about it (been doing overtime at work so also tired which doesn't help my memory)
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Oops, sorry for not replying - I meant to and got side tracked then completely forgot about it (been doing overtime at work so also tired which doesn't help my memory)
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No probs jonny.
In the i9300 roll-up sticky thread, the 2nd and 3rd guides both point to outdated root methods. Would like to hear your opinions on how to deal with them. Shame to lose them. Edit preferable from my perspective but what's your take?
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I'm a s3 noob but had no probs rooting (without odin) and flashing roms. All the info is there if u can be bothered to read. I knew all about imei etc well before I even got the phone. The problem nowadays is that its too easy to root and flash, which means that a user do not need any knowledge of android. Its like giving a 5 year old a gun, eventually something bad will happen.
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rootSU said:
No probs jonny.
In the i9300 roll-up sticky thread, the 2nd and 3rd guides both point to outdated root methods. Would like to hear your opinions on how to deal with them. Shame to lose them. Edit preferable from my perspective but what's your take?
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First thing to do would be to PM the OP's of those threads and ask if they would be willing to update their threads, if they are then great, if not then if someone is willing I can transfer the post ownership to them to edit
Edit: Yes editing would be preferable to deleting the threads.
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First thing to do would be to PM the OP's of those threads and ask if they would be willing to update their threads, if they are then great, if not then if someone is willing I can transfer the post ownership to them to edit
Edit: Yes editing would be preferable to deleting the threads.
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Thanks jonny. I will pm link 2 op. I have already pm'd link 3 op several weeks ago with no response. Im happy to make the edit to remove the root part of the guide if that's ok?
To be clear, its this thread by intratech... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=26530736
We just need to edit out the root section which involves using odin to flash an ics insecure kernel...
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biggary said:
Sorry to rant, but I know this forum is to help people get more from their phones, but quite a lot of people still are incompetent, and can't follow basic instructions!!!! Take for instance, the modem problem, where you lose your imei or imei starts with 0049, read the stickies!!! Read the guides!!! Back up your efs!!! Virtually every post in dev forum has someone who didn't read properly!!! Another thing is people not understanding what BETA means!!! Android 4.3 is fairly new, and the great devs have done a sterling job bringing it to our s3's....things are not gonna work perfectly straight from the off! There will be bugs!! Please please use search first!!!!
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True.
It's like a sickness on the other note why Samsung put such important area unprotected... Didn't see lg / HTC guys have this problem before I think
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andrewwright said:
Odin don't brick phones people brick phones. But the risk of using odin over cwm/twrp is massive. Say the power go's out or pc/laptop shuts down... Game over. This is why I never used Odin or had to in just under two years with my s2. I read lots of threads just for the sake of it.
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No. No. No. There is literally a millisecond of flashing that can fully brick your device if you lose power. The files are SO small that they're done in less than the blink of an eye. If you lose power on system, cache, data, kernel, or recovery flashing. Its always recoverable. (As long as its for your device originally.)
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No. No. No. There is literally a millisecond of flashing that can fully brick your device if you lose power. The files are SO small that they're done in less than the blink of an eye. If you lose power on system, cache, data, kernel, or recovery flashing. Its always recoverable. (As long as its for your device originally.)
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It took 1min and 30sec for auto root to finish and odin to say pass on the laptop.
My point is is that I think that cwm/twrp is safer. Much much safer than odin. And if a person flashes something not ment for your phone then that person needs to buy an iPhone and stay well aways from Android.
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The Epic forum has become too congested with problematic kernals, roms, and even the clockwork mod isn't working the way it should. There are so many threads on getting clockwork mod to work thats its become ridiculous. I believe this needs to be monitored more closely. For example, i look on how to flash clockwork recovery mod, and there are 4 different threads, with 4 different kernals with recovery mods, and 4 different clockwork mod files. Its way too confusing and most of them don't work with the update, or is causing bad things to happen to phones. Nothing is consistent with these kernals, roms, and recoveries. I put this thread in the development section because it all has to do with development of the Epic. Forum just seems congested to me.
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The Epic forum has become too congested with unverified kernals,
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What does it take to have a kernel 'verified'?
roms, and even the clockwork mod isn't working the way it should.
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Koush just released a kernel that made it compatible with our phones yesterday.How 'should' this recovery function?
Works fine for me I can nandroid backup my phone so I can screw around with it and not worry.
There are so many threads on getting clockwork mod to work thats its become ridiculous.
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These are all kernels/roms that will work with clockwork. They needed to add something for it to work and subsequently decided to put that relevant information in the title of their thread because its something that I would personally look for.
I believe this needs to be monitored more closely. For example, i look on how to flash clockwork recovery mod, and there are 4 different threads, with 4 different kernals with recovery mods, and 4 different clockwork mod files.
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No there is one clockwork recovery. There is probably two ways to flash it though one through ODIN and one through clockwork itself.
Its way too confusing and most of them don't work with the update, or is causing bad things to happen to phones.
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if you had questions you should've posted in the relevant thread. What 'bad things' are happening to phones?
Before these files are released they need to be tested and verified
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by whom? lol
, nothing is consistent with these kernals, roms, and recoveries. I put this thread in the development section because it all has to do with development of the Epic.
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this in not relevant to the development of android.
You're new to the whole Android thing, huh? This is what development is.
There is ONE working Clockwork Mod Recovery right now, and Koush himself released it. There is a flashable .zip kernel for the people who had the old version, noobnl version.
There are multiple kernels out because they do different things for the phone.
We also have two versions of root access right now. The one click root method we have stickied at the top is janky and inefficient compared to the kernel root we have.
This is how Android development works, especially until we have some full-fledged ROMs available. Threads like this make it harder for new users to get through this section (Now, when someone searches "Clockwork" or anything related, this completely unhelpful thread comes up). This is not Android development.
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What does it take to have a kernel 'verified'?
Koush just released a kernel that made it compatible with our phones yesterday.How 'should' this recovery function?
Works fine for me I can nandroid backup my phone so I can screw around with it and not worry.
These are all kernels/roms that will work with clockwork. They needed to add something for it to work and subsequently decided to put that relevant information in the title of their thread because its something that I would personally look for.
No there is one clockwork recovery. There is probably two ways to flash it though one through ODIN and one through clockwork itself.
if you had questions you should've posted in the relevant thread. What 'bad things' are happening to phones?by whom? lol
this in not relevant to the development of android.
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+20 amen well said
development..its trial and error...the chefs arent forcing you to flash anything,they arent getting paid either.they are working on this on their free time.if youve got something to contribute,please do so.
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WTF!!!
kpkimmel said:
The Epic forum has become too congested with problematic kernals, roms, and even the clockwork mod isn't working the way it should. There are so many threads on getting clockwork mod to work thats its become ridiculous. I believe this needs to be monitored more closely. For example, i look on how to flash clockwork recovery mod, and there are 4 different threads, with 4 different kernals with recovery mods, and 4 different clockwork mod files. Its way too confusing and most of them don't work with the update, or is causing bad things to happen to phones. Nothing is consistent with these kernals, roms, and recoveries. I put this thread in the development section because it all has to do with development of the Epic. Forum just seems congested to me.
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Dude, sometimes ppl can step in **** and still walk on a clean carpet without wiping their feet off first. It's funny how they can just dump on someone when they are merely expressing what they feel about how the forums is. i would have to somewhat agree with you, I've been searching through the **** for over two weeks and still noone has a goddamn real fix for getting a phone to boot into the right recovery mode. I still haven't been able to enjoy not one of these so-called roms as of yet. Even after doing everything to the tee. I have root...but don't think I have permanent root. Tried the fix for that....no happenings. They work hard to make these roms and I really would appreciate it if I could actually use them. I'm a persistant mofo tho...still trying at it...just make it a bit more easier to find what I need to get this **** to work.
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You need to continue to read all the threads pertaining to what you're trying to do instead of getting anxious because you don't know what your doing. Look in general or questions and ask in those threads. All the answers are in these forums. I am only 2 months new to android, came into it without a clue. Didn't know what root was intill I seen an app in the market requiring it for use. Now I've got permanent root clockwork and I've tried all these roms and kernels without a problem. Patients and research is all you need. Filling up a post with explicit frustration won't help you progress.
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cry/complain/whine less and read/research more.
that's my 2 cents for your 2 cents....
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You need to continue to read all the threads pertaining to what you're trying to do instead of getting anxious because you don't know what your doing. Look in general or questions and ask in those threads. All the answers are in these forums. I am only 2 months new to android, came into it without a clue. Didn't know what root was intill I seen an app in the market requiring it for use. Now I've got permanent root clockwork and I've tried all these roms and kernels without a problem. Patients and research is all you need. Filling up a post with explicit frustration won't help you progress.
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Thank you for your input...I too am in the same amount of time as you when it comes to the Epic. Perhaps my issue is...I can't seem to get the searching bit right as I keep running into pretty much the same threads. Yes I do do the research, like I said, been at this for 2 weeks. The problem is the damn phone will not do what it's supposed to do. I am now trying another method and is hoping like hell it works. I wanna give these roms a go around too. As far as being anxious, I got nerve pills for that and I do take them regularly. LOL
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cry/complain/whine less and read/research more.
that's my 2 cents for your 2 cents....
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As for you, I'm not the one crying. And if you read what I said, you'd know that I've been doing my research for 2 weeks. Why are you such an ass when it comes to ppl needing help with something. Did you forget that you wasn't exactly born into this world with a encyclopedia in your hand, was you? Remember? You needed help once before and maybe you got it figured out real quickly. That doen't nessecarily mean that everyone who comes to this forum are capable. SO PLAY NICE!!!
First thing you need is the drivers for your phone, there's several links to get those. You need sdk to do the one click. It needs to be in the sdk folder. After I downloaded sdk I unzipped it to drive c and renamed it android cause it's shorter than the original name. You open it and in the root of that folder is a folder called tools extract the one click here. Same goes for clockwork. Make sure you enable debugging on the phone. And don't mount your sd card. There's a tutorial on what to do with sdk on you tube. Really you don't even need root anymore if you have clockwork cause all the kernels come with root now. Unless you want to use a stock kernel then you use the method I described above. After you one click the clockwork mod you need to turn off your phone and power on holding the volume button down, pressing the camera button and the power button to boot into recovery. Make a back up of your phone and then reboot. Now just download whatever you want, boot into recovery and install. Sdx developers has some tutorials over on they're site as well. Hope this helps. Remember, cussing people just pisses people off, then you will be on your own.
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I've only had this phone and only worked with an android phone for less than a month, so I admit that I am new to the scene...but I will have to disagree to the rant. It took me a while to root my phone and get clockwork. But it wouldn't have happened unless there was the "clutter" of ways to do it. The only mistake I made was assuming that I understood the whole post and skipped ahead. And that's what slowed me down. Personally I don't think there really is much of an issue with the forum. The only issue is some people aren't patient enough to read the whole post and screw up then blame others for their mistake. But what can you say, its human nature. There's also the wiki you can go to and that'll help out, it's all categorized nice and neatly for some to read if the forum is too much.
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Obviously the OP has had enormous difficulty modding his phone. I extend my sympathies, and if there's anything I can do to help down the road, I will certainly try.
However, many if not most of us have had no trouble at all. In my case, I successfully rooted, installed clockworkrecovery, backed up, and flashed the Mixup kernel. No meaningful stumbles along the way, went smoothly.
So, blaming the forum seems rather misplaced. I don't know what's unique about kpkimmel's situation, but it's pretty clear that the problem lies there, not with the forum, information posted here, and the very helpful people assisting.
I'm sure the solution to the poblem would be an easy fix. As long as the the problem explained. The answer could be as simple as doing the 3-button sequence to get into cwm, or just wiping the phone to prep for flashing.
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LMFAO!!!! You sho right...there is an easy solution to the problem and you wouldn't believe how freaking easy it is. Like I've said before, I've been doing the research and everything and nothing seem to work right. I have rooted my phone and have proven it so by doing the tests. But the damn thing would not go into Clockwork recovery no matter how many times I tried. Until last night on another website, the answer was plain and simple as big as day. When I did as instructed, lo and behold, it worked....I have Clockwork recovery. I can use the roms now. Gonna go post it in the 'Epic 4G Android Development.' Don't know why it hasn't been made know to those having this problem in the first place. Woulda save a bunch of time and headaches.
hello everybody ..
i been following XDA-Developers for many many times . actually i learn everything for root and flash etc from XDA .. i'm using Overcome Kernel and rom .
My Advice To You before you even go for flash a kernel you must do 1 simple step to avoid bricking your tab cuz trust me i already bricked it many times
but after reading and learning i knew how to do all the steps for flashing a kernel or a rom and after all , trust me it is easy you only have to follow the developer steps
anyways
before you flash a new kernel you must go here ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=888071 )
you have to download the bootloader before flashing anything , read the topic and am sure you'll find your way to flash by this topic. any questions don't feel shy to ask i can guide you by my Experience
hope the topic was helpful for the new users
Yeah, just download bootloader checker to check if you bootloader is signed / locked before you update to another custom rom. Anyway, if it is locked, it does not permanent brick your tab. Just restore using odin pit file if anything happen while updating. However the danger to patch your bootloader MAY permanently bricked your tab. Brick means your tab no longer be able to patch but a need to change the motherboard is the only way to restore your tab.
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tnx for your kindness reply
Whilst I appreciate your enthusiasm, there really is no need to post a thread that simply links to a sticky thread. It's stickied for a reason.
If you want to boost your post count with stuff that's not valuable then please do it in the "off topic" section, and watch out for the trolls
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=261
johncmolyneux said:
Whilst I appreciate your enthusiasm, there really is no need to post a thread that simply links to a sticky thread. It's stickied for a reason.
If you want to boost your post count with stuff that's not valuable then please do it in the "off topic" section, and watch out for the trolls
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=261
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My thoughts exactly.
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Please refrain from creating threads which cover existing topics; instead post your comments/suggestions in the ongoing thread.
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Hello and welcoming myself to this new community of SGS 2 users. Coming from the HTC Desire section, I am quite confounded (entirely my own fault, of course) by the sheer confusion between the "Original Development" and the, uh, "Derivative Development" sections. More on that later, but...
Now what's REALLY confusing me is the complete lack of a start to finish rooting guide, or even a CWM guide for the SGS2 in the forum. Does anyone around have good link, and also where should I go to for my first ROM? Any ideas?
Go for the big well-known roms to start. VillainROM, Cognition or Lightning Rom. They all have tutorials to flash the specific roms when coming from stock.
I came from the Desire too, the weird thing about the SGS2 is that you flash roms that have the root installed in there. So you flash a rom with a rooted kernel inside of it, your phone is rooted. Change the kernel only to a stock one, root is gone.
So check the rom threads.
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Go for the big well-known roms to start. VillainROM, Cognition or Lightning Rom. They all have tutorials to flash the specific roms when coming from stock.
I came from the Desire too, the weird thing about the SGS2 is that you flash roms that have the root installed in there. So you flash a rom with a rooted kernel inside of it, your phone is rooted. Change the kernel only to a stock one, root is gone.
So check the rom threads.
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Ah... so... er... how do I get CWM inside? I saw the VillainROM thread and it says I need CWM inside before I can begin...
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Ah... so... er... how do I get CWM inside? I saw the VillainROM thread and it says I need CWM inside before I can begin...
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start by flashing cf-root kernel via ODIN. instructions are in chainfire's cf-root thread.
Nitrile said:
start by flashing cf-root kernel via ODIN. instructions are in chainfire's cf-root thread.
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Alright. Thanks for that.
i guess this might help you: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1103399
also here is a good collection of shipped roms and another rooting guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075278
i used the latter to root my phone yesterday, a first for me, since this is my first android phone, and it worked at once and it took less than 10 minutes till i was up and running again.
Why don’t we all take a breather and don't mistreat the newbie..I mean the new user.
Don't make me get on my high horse....it won't be pretty
Cheers,
As MTM said, take a couple of breaths and learn how to be nice to your fellow forum members. Next person to be disrespectful will earn a temporary ban. You have been warned.
It took me a while to get up to speed with the way things are here too.
The usual steps would be:
- download a stock rom
- flash cf-root
- choose your custom rom
From here onwards, its an ocean of info.
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It took me a while to get up to speed with the way things are here too.
The usual steps would be:
- download a stock rom
- flash cf-root
- choose your custom rom
From here onwards, its an ocean of info.
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Yeah... getting up to speed here is a little difficult. I came from the HTC Desire, so I was pampered, of sorts, by the fullness of guides there.
willverduzco said:
As MTM said, take a couple of breaths and learn how to be nice to your fellow forum members. Next person to be disrespectful will earn a temporary ban. You have been warned.
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Did the disrespectful posts vanish or did I just not get it ?
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norpan111 said:
Did the disrespectful posts vanish or did I just not get it ?
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It disappeared.
sakai4eva said:
Yeah... getting up to speed here is a little difficult. I came from the HTC Desire, so I was pampered, of sorts, by the fullness of guides there.
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There are no pretty guides because , its so extremely easy to root SGS2 , all you do is flash "cf kernel with CWM" via ODIN = done you rooted
Then you have CWM recovery and you can flash any SGS2 ROM. No need for any hacks or exploits.
ghost77 said:
There are no pretty guides because , its so extremely easy to root SGS2 , all you do is flash "cf kernel with CWM" via ODIN = done you rooted
Then you have CWM recovery and you can flash any SGS2 ROM. No need for any hacks or exploits.
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I was confounded by the mere mention of ODIN. Apparently, everybody knew where to download/get it and how to use it but nobody provided a link. I sorted that out anyway.
I had to appreciate the relative openness of Samsung vs. HTC at this point
sakai4eva said:
Hello and welcoming myself to this new community of SGS 2 users. Coming from the HTC Desire section, I am quite confounded (entirely my own fault, of course) by the sheer confusion between the "Original Development" and the, uh, "Derivative Development" sections. More on that later, but...
Now what's REALLY confusing me is the complete lack of a start to finish rooting guide, or even a CWM guide for the SGS2 in the forum. Does anyone around have good link, and also where should I go to for my first ROM? Any ideas?
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Welcome to the sgsii forums! I hope more and more people jump on the international bandwagon. I came from the samsung captivate forums so this wasn't that big of a difference. I think over time this forum will get better and more organized, as it's still relatively new.
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Haha, thanks! Been missing the warmth of the Desire section
I have been trying to make sure I take all the correct steps before attempting a root. Some of the software references in the forum have me confused. If someone could help me with these I would very much appreciate it.
Here is a quote from the Icey Faux/Honeylicous thread by the OP:
kjy2010 said:
Hey bro don't you use the backup feature on HC? I format and re-install at least a few times a week, and google reinstalls all my apps in about ten minutes tops.
Nothing personal, I just don't get some peoples aversion to doing a proper wipe and format between installs. It's not like you lose any of your photos, music, or videos even when following the instructions in the OP.
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1) What is the difference between the android market and the google "app store" that I keep seeing people refer too?
a) what is the reference to "HC" in this quote?
- I have purchased apps from the android market that I would like to keep. I followed some references in other threads and got the Titanium Backup (free version) in hopes that I can backup the entire tablet. Is this what I would use to keep my apps/data and bring it back to the tablet after rooting?
2) I also got the Acer Recovery app. This looks as though it is used to bring the tablet back to stock form. Is that correct?
3) Is the term "root" in reference to gaining root permissions/access to the tablet, and nothing else? (I was under the impression that it was the installation of a ROM)
4) I have 3.2.1 on my tablet. It looks as though at this point in time, the only way I can root is to bring it back to at least 3.2 ot less (reference to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1276227&page=11)
5) Any tips on what I should download before the root so that I can keep a backup of the original setup and all of the apps I have purchased?
Thank you for anything you can give.
Ryan
YeeP said:
I have been trying to make sure I take all the correct steps before attempting a root. Some of the software references in the forum have me confused. If someone could help me with these I would very much appreciate it.
Here is a quote from the Icey Faux/Honeylicous thread by the OP:
1) What is the difference between the android market and the google "app store" that I keep seeing people refer too?
a) what is the reference to "HC" in this quote?
- I have purchased apps from the android market that I would like to keep. I followed some references in other threads and got the Titanium Backup (free version) in hopes that I can backup the entire tablet. Is this what I would use to keep my apps/data and bring it back to the tablet after rooting?
2) I also got the Acer Recovery app. This looks as though it is used to bring the tablet back to stock form. Is that correct?
3) Is the term "root" in reference to gaining root permissions/access to the tablet, and nothing else? (I was under the impression that it was the installation of a ROM)
4) I have 3.2.1 on my tablet. It looks as though at this point in time, the only way I can root is to bring it back to at least 3.2 ot less (reference to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1276227&page=11)
5) Any tips on what I should download before the root so that I can keep a backup of the original setup and all of the apps I have purchased?
Thank you for anything you can give.
Ryan
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Ryan,
HC=Honeycomb (the version of Android that is currently on your tab).
No difference, in the name for market, some people just use a different term.
2. No it doesn't. It will install CWM which will make a backup of your current ROM which you can flash to go back to original.
3. Root allows you to install CWM which will in turn allow you to flash custom ROMs.
4. Yes you will need to downgrade first, make certain you have everything you need already downloaded and on your external SD card.
5. Read, READ, READ, READ, take notes, and follow instructions to the letter. We certainly don't need another "help, I bricked my tab" thread lol
1) No difference, Google Market/App Store yada yada yada.
a) HC = Honey Comb, it is Googles internal name for their OS from versions 3.x
- If you go to Settings - Privacy, put a check in the boxes for "Back up my data" and "Automatic restore". Doing this alone has been enough for Google to automatically re-install about 99% of my apps.
2) Acer Recovery makes it easier to install the various Recovery images. It does not alone help you get back to "bone stock", but it at least will re-install the stock Recovery image if and when you're ready to go back to the stock ROM.
3) Root is getting root access to the device, which is generally needed to install custom ROMs, so I could see the confusion.
4) Almost right, you'll need to bring it back to 3.0.1 first. Be sure to have already downloaded and installed at least Acer Recovery and IconiaRoot before downgrading, as the Market is flakey as heck when you downgrade to 3.0.1. I followed method 2 in that thread and had 0 issues.
5) Not needed, see my info after 1,a).
kjy2010 said:
Ryan,
HC=Honeycomb (the version of Android that is currently on your tab).
No difference, in the name for market, some people just use a different term.
2. No it doesn't. It will install CWM which will make a backup of your current ROM which you can flash to go back to original.
3. Root allows you to install CWM which will in turn allow you to flash custom ROMs.
4. Yes you will need to downgrade first, make certain you have everything you need already downloaded and on your external SD card.
5. Read, READ, READ, READ, take notes, and follow instructions to the letter. We certainly don't need another "help, I bricked my tab" thread lol
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In reference to your answers:
#3 - Am I correct in saying that I can get root access without applying a new ROM?
#4 - I have an SD card, and it looks as though with the downloads and what not, the tablet is not even using it.
How (I am sure to get a "use search" answer with someone...) do I force the tablet to download these things I need to the SD card?
Do I need an additional SD card to be used for this process only?
I see that you are working on a version of your ROM for 3.2.1, shall I just wait to avoid problems?
#5 - I have been trying to read as many "brick" threads as I can in order to avoid them.
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3) Root is getting root access to the device, which is generally needed to install custom ROMs, so I could see the confusion.
4) Almost right, you'll need to bring it back to 3.0.1 first. Be sure to have already downloaded and installed at least Acer Recovery and IconiaRoot before downgrading, as the Market is flakey as heck when you downgrade to 3.0.1. I followed method 2 in that thread and had 0 issues.
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I did find the IconiaRoot thread by Thor. It looks as though this is the reason for bringing the version back to 3.0.1, true? Not to many usable answers to the questions asked in that thread, that are answered by the OP. I will try and search for people using it and starting their own thread.
This looks to be a Windows piece of software, maybe I can get it to run on my virtual box... or wine... . I guess I could try it on my work machine.
IconiaRoot is the app to actually use the exploit found to root the device and give you root access. Now, the reason for going to 3.0.1 is because the exploit was fixed by Acer is version 3.2. So, the downgrade is needed first so that the exploit is available to root your device.
OMG..
Your worse then most of my girl friends.. ITS ALL QUITE SIMPLE AND EASY
if you are on STOCK FROM ACER.. 3.2 OR ABOVE . you must DOWNGRADE TO GET ROOT..
The best way to do this to date seems to be in the past by Jimmy Dean.. there are links to his threads in nearly every recent bricked or threads similar to yours..
im guessing if you have looked at all the threads about being bricked and still do not understand how to do it..or scared to try .
DO NOT ATTEMPT
MAYBE you should ask a dev if you can send your tablet to them in the mail and them flash it for you.. Would be my best sugestion.. Everyone that flashes anything on there tablet or any ROM BASED Device takes the risk of bricking.. IF you have read other bricking related threads you will see people complain they fallowed all instructions and still ended up bricked.. Maybe to falt of there own they missed or maybe just luck of the Flash..
Good Luck and look for Jimmy Deans post in the d/load he gives a very detailed instructions with step by step pictures. as some of the others do as well..
Thanks for listening to me RANT About my opinion...
xxx the dingy blonde Erica Renee..
fermunky said:
IconiaRoot is the app to actually use the exploit found to root the device and give you root access. Now, the reason for going to 3.0.1 is because the exploit was fixed by Acer is version 3.2. So, the downgrade is needed first so that the exploit is available to root your device.
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Perfect, thanks man.
erica_renee said:
OMG..
Your worse then most of my girl friends.. ITS ALL QUITE SIMPLE AND EASY
if you are on STOCK FROM ACER.. 3.2 OR ABOVE . you must DOWNGRADE TO GET ROOT..
The best way to do this to date seems to be in the past by Jimmy Dean.. there are links to his threads in nearly every recent bricked or threads similar to yours..
im guessing if you have looked at all the threads about being bricked and still do not understand how to do it..or scared to try .
DO NOT ATTEMPT
MAYBE you should ask a dev if you can send your tablet to them in the mail and them flash it for you.. Would be my best sugestion.. Everyone that flashes anything on there tablet or any ROM BASED Device takes the risk of bricking.. IF you have read other bricking related threads you will see people complain they fallowed all instructions and still ended up bricked.. Maybe to falt of there own they missed or maybe just luck of the Flash..
Good Luck and look for Jimmy Deans post in the d/load he gives a very detailed instructions with step by step pictures. as some of the others do as well..
Thanks for listening to me RANT About my opinion...
xxx the dingy blonde Erica Renee..
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Not sure if you ranted to make yourself feel good or show how awesome you are. Either way, this is not my first time to the rodeo, and not my first time on a forum where there are people that want to constantly show how tough they are. I have seen your posts in other threads and know what to expect from you. Because I am new here, I will not use the language I am tempted to with you.
It is so cool that you feel great enough that you can give someone a hard time because they want to make sure they are prepared to do things right the first time. As opposed to the opposite. Maybe because they want to understand how things work and the syntax surrounding the protocol(s).
My opinion on your opinion is to STFU and kiss my ass. mkay?
erica_renee said:
OMG..
The best way to do this to date seems to be in the past by Jimmy Dean.. there are links to his threads in nearly every recent bricked or threads similar to yours..
xxx the dingy blonde Erica Renee..
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Thought we were talking about tablets here ... this whole Jimmy Dean and Links givin me a hankerin for some breakmast
Give thanks to those who need it..
Thanks for such nice words.I do appreciate and value your opinion of me.
All im saying is that if you have read all the threads and post about bricked devices bad flashing stories and the threads on how to do it correctly.. That there is nothing more anyone can do or say to you about this.. Only other option is for someone to do it for you.. I did not mean to offend you in any way.
Its kinda unclear what you expected to get out of starting a thread stating that you read everything good and bad.. about flashing this tablet.. maybe the solution is to go to android sdk site and get better acquainted with the OS on a more personal level.. if you are still not understanding the process .
With that all said..
I do hope you accomplish what your trying to do.I also sent you a Thanks maybe it will make you smile and not be so hateful toward constructive criticize n.
Good Luck..
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<CLIP> Thanks maybe it will make you smile and not be so hateful toward constructive criticize n.
Good Luck..
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Ah, my mistake, I must have been confused by the meaning of "constructive criticism"
Apparently when you say:
OMG..
Your worse then most of my girl friends.. ITS ALL QUITE SIMPLE AND EASY
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That is meant in the most loving, helpful way. Right? I should have been happy with that response. I apologize.
garringm said:
Thought we were talking about tablets here ... this whole Jimmy Dean and Links givin me a hankerin for some breakmast
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Giggles im so sorry .. fix me some while your in the kitchen..
OK, erica_renee, I need to come back and give a real apology. I am having a hard day at work today and was looking toward learning a new process on my latest toy to give me a little relaxation. I just had a customer blaming my additions to the software as the cause of their problems. Not sure if you code for a living, but that is not a fun conversation.
Sorry if I was mean, I just want to learn and not be treated like an idiot. I just want to be as educated as possible before I make a move. I see to many people getting educated because they broke something.
Its all fine
I do understand what you mean..
NOPE im not in software development in anyway. I did back in the 80s own a local computer business so i know how customers can be.. As far as my past being mean and aggressive.. YES i think it was ,better to have someone dislike me then brick there device.. I have leaned alot about android thru the official android web development site.. Its alot of long winded boring reading.
all is kewl with me. I dont take this stuff personal.People including myself sometimes can become to agressive on forums. as its not really a face to face interaction..
anyway GOOD Luck...
xo xoxoxo
I got the itch for some breakfast also.
Erica, git in dere and whup me up sum vittles!!
IM So sorry TIMMY Dean
oops i feel so stupid i just realized i was having a bad blonde moment..
and while you are cooking guys bring me some as well.. I Have been banned from the kitchen. last time i dropped a expensive glass and broke it.. Thou i used to love to cook.. Boohooo
ok i shup now because im causing yet another forum to be way way off topic..
YeeP said:
Perfect, thanks man.
Not sure if you ranted to make yourself feel good or show how awesome you are. Either way, this is not my first time to the rodeo, and not my first time on a forum where there are people that want to constantly show how tough they are. I have seen your posts in other threads and know what to expect from you. Because I am new here, I will not use the language I am tempted to with you.
It is so cool that you feel great enough that you can give someone a hard time because they want to make sure they are prepared to do things right the first time. As opposed to the opposite. Maybe because they want to understand how things work and the syntax surrounding the protocol(s).
My opinion on your opinion is to STFU and kiss my ass. mkay?
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Good job could not have said any better just using reg English. Giggles
thedoc8 said:
Good job could not have said any better just using reg English. Giggles
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No Need to downgrade....
Please see attached -
Looks like they found rood for 3.2.1...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1307539
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20680452&postcount=137
mahalocat said:
Please see attached -
Looks like they found rood for 3.2.1...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1307539
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20680452&postcount=137
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Thanks! Just spent some time reading through this thread and it seems this is the post that those with 3.2.1 should go to
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20628560&postcount=119
Believe me, JIG is great, help me correct all my mistakes when i was a complete n00b with my note, trying to change from GB to ICS, and helped me with helping my friends with their galaxies.
Advice for those who are starting with ROMs, Roots and stuffs.... Get one for you.
Cya.
TekNiTe said:
Believe me, JIG is great, help me correct all my mistakes when i was a complete n00b with my note, trying to change from GB to ICS, and helped me with helping my friends with their galaxies.
Advice for those who are starting with ROMs, Roots and stuffs.... Get one for you.
Cya.
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jig is of no use if you brick your phone however
@denny said:
jig is of no use if you brick your phone however
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JIG can really help if you can't start download mod with "Center button + Power + Volume up". At least for me it helps 2 or 3 times with that.
I think reading is a better friend, e.g. the sticky post about emmc brick bug feature, how to root and flash a ROM (properly!)
The last one can be reached by reading thoroughly the OP (the whole thread, if you want to, does no harm) and following the installation guide. IMHO JIG is only necessary if you don't read and /or follow the instructions.
paranoid on android - galaxy note n7000
Many benefits of a single device
Force open download mode
Reser binary counter remove ugly yellow triangle
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Plz dont get me wrong
Reading is the best friend, i only mean to say that JIG is a helper.
AA1973 said:
I think reading is a better friend, e.g. the sticky post about emmc brick bug feature, how to root and flash a ROM (properly!)
The last one can be reached by reading thoroughly the OP (the whole thread, if you want to, does no harm) and following the installation guide. IMHO JIG is only necessary if you don't read and /or follow the instructions.
paranoid on android - galaxy note n7000
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You're probably right but...
You have to say that at least JIG can make Brick a little more difficult.
@denny said:
jig is of no use if you brick your phone however
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I think all Samsung users should equip themselves a JIG.
For me, I bought 10 JIG (due to its size, it's easy to lose) and it costs only US$0.2 each in Taobao online ordering :fingers-crossed:.