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Now that developing for our Acer Iconia is going like a fast train.
Pls DEVelopers work togheter and don t fight each other here at XDA we have to work togheter and make all off us users happy to use they great modifications you the allready known, Half gods, give us.
But don t fight please in the world around us there is place enough for all developing people do it doesn t matter if one or the other has made the basic stone to start building from.
I love the work and skills of you all.
I hope that we can keep this forum of ACER Iconia peacefull
sincerely PiXiEjOe:
+1 to that!!
+100 i would say
+1000 who's next D:
+ 999,999,999,999,999,999,999
+ infinity
+ (n+1)
'n' being the highest number posted on this thread....(countable or not)...
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i am glad that you people think te same way i do so thanks to you all.
keep up the good colaborating spirit
I have no skills at all for dev, so I rely on them and praise them for the amazing work they do. Please....I will beg....don't any of you go away. I will be lost. Thanks.
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apl I can say is BONG +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1
While I think that devs should all work together towards a common goal, I also think that people should understand what ExAcTlY is going on before making their decisions...
It should also be noted that concealing/altering and stealing work is a DISGRACE and against what XDA is all about (and sometimes illegal...)
This post sums up Perfectly what the deal is:
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Now I can't speak for m-deejay, or anyone else for that matter however... Thor is distributing a Kernel without releasing the source which is both a breach of the GPL license & XDA rules not to mention illegal. Now as MDJ has released his code under the GPL he is well within his right as one of the rights holders to tell Thor to cease and desist.
I can't say if anyone else reported the GPL violations, but I can say what I did.
I reported Thor for breach of the GPL (twice regarding his signature)
I reported vache for breach of the GPL (twice for bundling a Kernel without source)
I also reported another post for breach of the GPL (for providing a link to Thor's Kernel)I give full permission to any moderator to come and verify I did do the above. I believe XDA moderators were acting on those reports by me and no one else.
Why did I report the Kernel? Because of repeated requests which were either ignored, spammed and/or laughed off.
Given what I have said above, you do realise you have accused a great ROM developer of multiple devices of doing something he probably didn't? An apology to MDJ sounds like in order
Just wanted to add I will not partake in any further discussion in regards to the above.
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There is no place like home. There is no place like home........
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apl I can say is BONG +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1
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HAHA I LOL'd!!!
No war but peace and development
we cannot understand what goes behind scenes for these developers apperantly they have issues with each other but I respect them so much, I appreciate the hard work they do no other developer wants to even conside doing developing on the iconia before they broke into the locked boot loader. So please developers (not mentioning names) lets continue with the great work you guys made the A500 an envy withing my friends when 6 months ago they thought xoom, Asus tf were the better choice.
Thanks to everybody
Just stumbled on to this and it is so funny. There will always be a bit on a competitive edge in these forums. Back in x1 forum it was all out war for donations, views and downloads. It may be a bit daunting to others chefs when they are all working on making Acer base better we have mdj releasing all kinda ports. Good for us I admit but maybe a bit daunting for others. I would like to see a few different takes on the ports we have right now as to me Acer base has been taken as far as it can go. It be nice to see a fusion rom with the best bits of galaxy, thrive, xoom etc thrown in. Will the devs come together and do that? Maybe not but its still a thought
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so what we got from this war?NOTHING.....now this iconia forum look like nothing activity and dead
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so what we got from this war?NOTHING.....now this iconia forum look like nothing activity and dead
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Ae you reading the same forum as the rest of us? We have root for every version, a unlocked bootloader, more roms then you can throw a stick at - and new posts every day.
+1 too. No need to enter thousand to agree.
Mod Edit: This thread is not how to properly appeal a decision. Learn some respect, and take a gander at this post. First, and only, warning to all involved in this thread.
Love his ROMs.
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Im sure this thread will get removed or closed and I will get punished like a child thats misbehaving, but I feel that in a community based forum that is designed for people to come together and share ideas and teach one another, that one of the BEST developers of some of the most, if not THE most, stable ROMS gets denied a status as RECOGNIZED DEVELOPER by the same community administators that Im sure USE or HAVE USED his ROMS is flat idiotic and ridiculous!! This thread is just to let people know whats going on with the "higher ups" of XDA. Hope a few people get to see this anyways before either its gone, Im gone, or both!!!
PS - THERE IS A PETITION IN THE GENERAL SECTION!! GO SIGN IT!!
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not sure what the issue is, did he ask to have the recognized developer status or just doesn't have it yet?
I've seen quite a few copy and pasters throw roms together from other people's work (direct porting with our boot image and build prop tweaks, swapping apns, libs and eri's etc., even I can do that and will never claim to be a developer), or just compile straight from cm source and they have the recognized developer status... I was under the impression that it wasn't that hard to get....?
That said, I haven't used his roms, but I hear good things and I'm not sure why he wouldn't be worthy of the developer status
He asked and was denied
moderators are few and especially in this section. I wouldn't be surprised if they stayed up for days.
I support Nils and all his work. He's a great guy and an excellent developer, I don't see how they could not recognize him with the rest of the developers when he has done so much in this community.
I have been as impressed with his work about as much as anyone else's. I would love to know the details behind that decision being made.
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Ya know.... I'm pretty tired of the *****ing & whining here on XDA lately. Who gives a ****? IT'S THE INTERNET, not a promotion at a job, new girlfriend or car.
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I started off wrong. My apologies.
I appreciate all the hard work and believe every developer is due their recognition but...
Dmadrid98 said:
Ya know.... I'm pretty tired of the *****ing & whining here on XDA lately. Who gives a ****? IT'S THE INTERNET, not a promotion at a job, new girlfriend or car.
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Life will go on.
Developing ain't for sissie's
Dmadrid98 said:
I started off wrong. My apologies.
I appreciate all the hard work and believe every developer is due their recognition but...
Life will go on.
Developing ain't for sissie's
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No problem. Thanks Bud.
YOUR FONT IS TOO SMALL
I agree 100%. This is crap.
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I 100% agree that this is crap.
If I'm not mistaken Nil's has been the only DEV supporting this phone since the beginning.I know personally that he answers questions and shares information. So hopefully the powers that be will reconsider.
no, lets give all the credit to AOSP developers and people who throw crap together from other roms and claim "it's a tottaly new rom! " this is f'ing stupid, XDA.
At this point it would be my guess that you have to make or be a part of a breakthrough of some sort in order to be recognized. A stable rom isn't exactly something that people can be recognized for because all the copy-and-pasters screwed that up for everyone. There's no telling what belongs to who in a ROM so why give people props for it when there's so much going on as far as people just taking stuff.
If I were looking to be recognized I'd do something innovative... Get WP7 on here, make a live wallpaper that has the camera active so its like were looking through our phone, etc etc. Most recognized developers develop for more than one phone so crank out something that the EVO and Desire can use as well as us... Things like that.
That's the only logic I can follow as far as why he was denied.
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At this point it would be my guess that you have to make or be a part of a breakthrough of some sort in order to be recognized. A stable rom isn't exactly something that people can be recognized for because all the copy-and-pasters screwed that up for everyone. There's no telling what belongs to who in a ROM so why give people props for it when there's so much going on as far as people just taking stuff.
If I were looking to be recognized I'd do something innovative... Get WP7 on here, make a live wallpaper that has the camera active so its like were looking through our phone, etc etc. Most recognized developers develop for more than one phone so crank out something that the EVO and Desire can use as well as us... Things like that.
That's the only logic I can follow as far as why he was denied.
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Being innovative has nothing to do with being a recognised dev. it's just being that, recognised for what you have done. it's about contributions and being helpful. not who's done the most awesome rom, mod or app. it's not a super dev contest... if that were the case, easily more than half of the recognised devs would not be recognized because they are drag and drop devs with no programing skills. just swap and remove files from one rom to another and call it their rom.
to be more exact to the terms of being a RD, here are the actual requirements...
-Be a developer that regularly posts your work/works on XDA
-Post helpful threads in the general section
-Regularly help answer questions in the Q&A Sections
-Not be found guilty of flaming
-And of course, feel out the Recognized Developer of XDA request form(When available which it currently is not at this time).
If you know Nils or have dealt with him in any way, you know he meets most if not all these requirements.
Well said Stoney!
This place has gone to hell ever since the closing of newtoroot threads a month or two back and with all the drama with certain devs. I'm glad I got my dinc 2 and don't have to see such travesties like this. Eff Ex Dee Ay.
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Being innovative has nothing to do with being a recognised dev. it's just being that, recognised for what you have done. it's about contributions and being helpful. not who's done the most awesome rom, mod or app. it's not a super dev contest... if that were the case, easily more than half of the recognised devs would not be recognized because they are drag and drop devs with no programing skills. just swap and remove files from one rom to another and call it their rom.
to be more exact to the terms of being a RD, here are the actual requirements...
-Be a developer that regularly posts your work/works on XDA
-Post helpful threads in the general section
-Regularly help answer questions in the Q&A Sections
-Not be found guilty of flaming
-And of course, feel out the Recognized Developer of XDA request form(When available which it currently is not at this time).
If you know Nils or have dealt with him in any way, you know he meets most if not all these requirements.
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How exactly does one feel out the form? lol. Sorry trolling, but I had to.
If you go by the definition you stated, then most rom builders would fit the bill. I have seen huge support by most devs on this forum. It sounds tho, that there is more to this than we know.
xda is starting to lose my respect and my visiting
Please stop derailing development threads, it really is getting out of hand. Instead of letting moderators step in, how about policing ourselves? If you don't have anything good to say, then don't say anything. If you take ownership to the matter, then settle it in private channels. This is only hindering people learning the inner workings of android and roms.
If one person creates rom A, built from source (obviously referring to aosp roms). Chances are rom A is using work done by other individuals in the community to achieve a certain goal. This is called an Open Source Community. So rom B comes in and uses A as a base. This is great, because I've found that when this occurs, bugs get squashed much quicker. No matter the skills of the user/developer, they have the ability to find some of the smallest issues that cause the biggest bugs. Even if rom B only has little things like the wifi scan interval changed, or added/subtracted APK's. The only thing necessary here, is a little bit of credit and submitting/notifying the original author of bug fixes and/or enhancements. When this occurs, there is no "he did this" "he got this working first" bull. I could go on forever on proper etiquette, but that's not my point. Let's let everyone do their thing, and if there is a real issue that needs to be addressed, handle it in a classy manner.
Thanks for your time, and i apologize in advance to moderators if this thread gets out of hand, feel free to remove it.
Well said, now if people will only start holding back their words.
Sounds good. Credit where credit is due. No one develops completely on their own (for the most part). Even the CM branch is a "team". When knowledgeable people work together (and acknowledge the source of their work) we all win, and the builds get better.
This model benefits all.
I know, as the user of a now ancient device, I would love to see development NOT come to a halt, or be pushed off to the unfindable fringes.
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I'm very grateful for all the people out there who put their time and effort into making my device better and enjoyable....essentially saving me money....and ask for very little in return. I believe Google has set and shown the example that when people share ideas and work....a product can improve and evolve much faster. Thanks to everybody out there who participates and believes in these principles, and I look forward to your future endeavours.
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Well said, Drew! Awesome
Yup Yup. Btw I agree with what you said in the other thread about not completely agreeing with the xda rule in regards to having to gain permission to use peoples work. Only thing that should be req is proper notation in the OP that its being used and that's it. Imho.
It gets real sad around here when people fight over work and even more so when they do so in public channels. Happened in the 3D section awhile ago and was redic.
If you did something and you don't see credit in an OP for it It's simple, PM the user to discuss it and if that doesn't work PM a mod to help mediate the dispute. NEVER should it be discussed in public threads!
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Well written Mr Drew. I wouldn't worry about those who mess things for everyone else, they surely have nothing better to do.
Keep up the solid work.
Thanks.
That was perfect. Not only are you a tremendous developer, but a very wise person as well. Thank you for taking the time out to write this up. And thank you and everyone else for sharing your/their knowledge.
It would be really nice if there was a list where everything that's gotten done/fixed giving credit to that particular person. Or perhaps when you work off of someone else's work, you bring all of the credits with you. That way as it moves along the credits will stay with that particular version of rom.
By the way, preview7 is running great.
Thanks again,
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Let's not forget about donating to the devs of which you use their hard work. Yes this stuff is free, but hours and hours go into the smallest things sometimes. Even if everyone donated 1 dollar to the dev(s)of the Rom or whatever you use, you're still making a difference. Let's show each other some respect here. Not just to other devs, but to other users also
I wrote this in the other thread but it applies here too. A huge thanks to all who are truly interested in moving forward and improving the Evo experience. And +1 on donating to the devs, all of the devs.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22234151&postcount=45
Good post drewizzle
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Good post drewizzle
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+1 well stated
Well, everyone should just place nice in the sand box, end of story. Development will get back on it's steady crawl.
to the moderators xda. what is developer? it is some1 who takes something and strides and makes it better hence Dorimanx. why was his status as dev taken away?
i know the argument is that he took parts from other members and improved upon them, but hey isnt that what every 1 that has developer status on xda has done? no dev on this site has created or builta rim for our hd2s on their own tyrung, raphiga etc etc they have all taken something that was originally googles and improved upon it whether sense, gingerbread or ics. they have taken improved code from other devs or google and made changes to it. or have taken roms from devs that stopped working on them and improved them.
So why then were their developer status not removed?????
if that is the case then no 1 on xda are really developers they are all senior members.
and if as u claim they are regonised developers then u as moderators of xda have no option in my opinion but to REINSTATE DEVELOPER STATUS TO DORIMANX............
if not then you in all conscience have to take away DEVELOPER STATUS FROM ALL DEVS ON XDA.
... +1 ... it's a shame ...
+1 but there is usually more to these stories than appears.
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Maybe it has something to do with Dorimanx calling the kernal his own..!
Everyone uses things created by others but give credit.
But who am I to say maybe it is completely his own.
I did like his roms though..
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Maybe it has something to do with Dorimanx calling the kernal his own..!
Everyone uses things created by others but give credit.
But who am I to say maybe it is completely his own.
I did like his roms though..
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all kernel devs do same u dont see teds+gingers+coles3.1.1kernel just the name of who publishes kernel and compiles it together not the name of devs who solved and wrote code for different snippits used in kernel yet they still keep dev status and quite frankly a lot of those devs can be quite obnoxious, rude and contempious and not answer questions unlike dorimanx who always answers and tries to solve problems for us.
UNLIKE THE MODERATORS WHO DEEM THAT THEY DONT HAVE TO ANSWER ANYTHING AND NOW SEEM TO BE A LAW ONTO THEMSELVES!!!!!!
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to the moderators xda. what is developer? it is some1 (someone) who takes something and strides and makes it better hence Dorimanx. why was his status as dev taken away?
i know the argument is that he took parts from other members and improved upon them, but hey isnt that what every 1 (everyone) that has developer status on xda has done? no dev on this site has created or builta (built a)rim (rom) for our hd2s on their own tyrung, raphiga etc etc they have all taken something that was originally googles (Google's) and improved upon it whether sense, gingerbread or ics. they have taken improved code from other devs or google and made changes to it. or have taken roms from devs that stopped working on them and improved them.
So why then were their developer status not removed?????
if that is the case then no 1 on xda are really developers they are all senior members.
and if as u (you) claim they are regonised developers then u (you) as moderators of xda have no option in my opinion but to REINSTATE DEVELOPER STATUS TO DORIMANX............
if not then you in all conscience have to take away DEVELOPER STATUS FROM ALL DEVS ON XDA.
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Really? Well... What if I told you why it was removed. There is more to life than the HD2 forum, and in this case, there were issues in the Galaxy S 2 forum, pertaining to making unfounded and false allegations against another developer.
At XDA we ask people to be respectful to each other, particularly anyone with a developer title. In this case, going around making false (and very serious) allegations against other developers is NOT acceptable. For this reason it was revoked, although a user subject to this can appeal and it will be dealt with suitably.
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+1 but there is usually more to these stories than appears.
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Correct.
maddoc1007 said:
all kernel devs do same u dont see teds+gingers+coles3.1.1kernel just the name of who publishes kernel and compiles it together not the name of devs who solved and wrote code for different snippits used in kernel yet they still keep dev status and quite frankly a lot of those devs can be quite obnoxious, rude and contempious and not answer questions unlike dorimanx who always answers and tries to solve problems for us.
UNLIKE THE MODERATORS WHO DEEM THAT THEY DONT HAVE TO ANSWER ANYTHING AND NOW SEEM TO BE A LAW ONTO THEMSELVES!!!!!!
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May I ask how we are a law unto ourselves? We do answer to you (reply within 24 hours to your question is pretty good going), and I have explained the circumstances above.
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Really? Well... What if I told you why it was removed. There is more to life than the HD2 forum, and in this case, there were issues in the Galaxy S 2 forum, pertaining to making unfounded and false allegations against another developer.
At XDA we ask people to be respectful to each other, particularly anyone with a developer title. In this case, going around making false (and very serious) allegations against other developers is NOT acceptable. For this reason it was revoked, although a user subject to this can appeal and it will be dealt with suitably.
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So, from what I gather from both your reply, and this from dorimanx:
"""there was an small war with one more dev.
i was wrong about my clame.
and got insolted many time, from him and his friends, i have apologise, after i found i was wrong, but my title just removed"""
is that he said something in the wrong, then the person he wrongly called out, instead of solving the issue reasonably both him and his friends laid down a **** storm of insults and what-not (I assume here there was equally insulting return-fire), after finding out he was in the wrong, he apologized, but his title was still removed...
am I correct in assuming that none of the persons involved on the other side even got warning? (after-all, I got a warning because someone said something was not possible many times and I not-so-polity told them to bugger off... and then a week later what I requested was posted in the developer section....)
also can I assume that he can appeal his title revocation? he states after-all he did apologize, and he is after-all ACTUALLY a developer with much praise and admiration for his works...
Why not a warning instead of title pull? or temp ban or something? Telling a dev he isnt a dev is a bit more then insulting if you ask me...
*This is going on just what you both have said, if you wished to add more information to the pot, or point out the fiasco for others to read to understand better, I am all for it, but what I have written above is just from my reading both your and his statements on the subject... and despite the "you weren't involved, dont say anything" montra that presents itself when I choose to post this, I have long thought he deserved his Dev title... (especially since hes been given it once before... even though that was a community wide mistake)
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So, from what I gather from both your reply, and this from dorimanx:
"""there was an small war with one more dev.
i was wrong about my clame.
and got insolted many time, from him and his friends, i have apologise, after i found i was wrong, but my title just removed"""
is that he said something in the wrong, then the person he wrongly called out, instead of solving the issue reasonably both him and his friends laid down a **** storm of insults and what-not (I assume here there was equally insulting return-fire), after finding out he was in the wrong, he apologized, but his title was still removed...
am I correct in assuming that none of the persons involved on the other side even got warning? (after-all, I got a warning because someone said something was not possible many times and I not-so-polity told them to bugger off... and then a week later what I requested was posted in the developer section....)
also can I assume that he can appeal his title revocation? he states after-all he did apologize, and he is after-all ACTUALLY a developer with much praise and admiration for his works...
Why not a warning instead of title pull? or temp ban or something? Telling a dev he isnt a dev is a bit more then insulting if you ask me...
*This is going on just what you both have said, if you wished to add more information to the pot, or point out the fiasco for others to read to understand better, I am all for it, but what I have written above is just from my reading both your and his statements ont he subject....
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There's more to the issue than that.
In order to properly investigate the claim, I did what any developer would do upon seeing that claim - take the original sources he made the allegation against, and then rebuild them from scratch, testing ONLY the change alleged to cause the issues.
This is a fundamental and basic step, and it demonstrated there was no issue with the sources being posted by the other developer.
I'd ask you, is it acceptable to go around making inflammatory remarks and comments against another developer, ACCUSING them of breaking the GPL (when in fact they are adhering to it beyond what is even required, pushing commits that are not released yet)? What if someone did that to your preferred developer? Wouldn't this be a thread of "OMG STRIP HIM OF HIS TITLE, HE INSULTED OUR FAVOURITE DEV"?
There was ample chance given to resolve the issue amicably, and the accusatory tone used against another developer was not acceptable. Furthermore, missing out on fundamental steps such as checking your own allegations out fully (by testing with clean, unmodified builds) is quite fundamental.
I did say he can appeal it, and he has contacted me with regard to that, and it will be dealt with in due course.
I'm surprised at you asking about that though - would you rather we temp ban him? I somehow don't think many people would agree with you.
Finally on regard to "telling a dev he isn't a dev", that is not what RD is about - RD is about the best examples of professional standard developers on XDA. If your conduct is not inkeeping with what is tolerated in the open source community (which is what this is), then you should not be a Recognized Developer. It's a privilege, not a right. And not every developer has it (many do not wish to have it, and have declined to apply even when suggested). It's something that's open to apply for, but people must be at the required level of skills and act in the right manner. If either of these changes, then their status can be reviewed.
re re reinstatement of dev to dorimanx
i have read the explanation from pulser but am somewhat dismayed by his reply shots were fired it seems from both sides, rude or derogatory they may have been but an apology was issued by dorimanx. my amusement stems from why when other devs on xda rant and rave at members for asking questions and call them stupid or thick and other inflamatory remarks you do not take their dev status from them
A we ask people to be respectful to each other, particularly anyone with a developer title.
your words above but yet iv not seen u or other moderators reprimanding those devs or taking their titles of them.
. If your conduct is not inkeeping with what is tolerated in the open source community (which is what this is), then you should not be a Recognized Developer.
more of your words but i have seen from thdeads on here the way ordinary decent people on here are treated and disrespected maybe their english is not too good or they are new and dont know their way around xda or maybe a threas is a few hundred pages long and they cant find what they are looking for and they ask a question. then lo and behold a dev tells them they are 2 stupid to look or too ignorant to.find it themselves or other worse remarks. is that not being disrespctful and NOT FOLLOWING YOUR CODE OF CONDUCT. yet ye take no action against them? as a result of the way people are insulted on here iv seen in threads where membera have said that they are leaving xda over the insults to them. so where were the moderators then and. why werent those devs titles taken??. read through your dev threads and you will see plenty of examples of this.
therefore it is not an even playing field for members here on xda and os if you want to throw me off xda so be it but until you clean up your act on xda you cant make 1 law for some and another law for others
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There's more to the issue than that.
In order to properly investigate the claim, I did what any developer would do upon seeing that claim - take the original sources he made the allegation against, and then rebuild them from scratch, testing ONLY the change alleged to cause the issues.
This is a fundamental and basic step, and it demonstrated there was no issue with the sources being posted by the other developer.
1 ) I'd ask you, is it acceptable to go around making inflammatory remarks and comments against another developer, ACCUSING them of breaking the GPL (when in fact they are adhering to it beyond what is even required, pushing commits that are not released yet)? What if someone did that to your preferred developer? Wouldn't this be a thread of "OMG STRIP HIM OF HIS TITLE, HE INSULTED OUR FAVOURITE DEV"?
There was ample chance given to resolve the issue amicably, and the accusatory tone used against another developer was not acceptable. Furthermore, missing out on fundamental steps such as checking your own allegations out fully (by testing with clean, unmodified builds) is quite fundamental.
I did say he can appeal it, and he has contacted me with regard to that, and it will be dealt with in due course.
2 ) I'm surprised at you asking about that though - would you rather we temp ban him? I somehow don't think many people would agree with you.
Finally on regard to "telling a dev he isn't a dev", that is not what RD is about - RD is about the best examples of professional standard developers on XDA. If your conduct is not inkeeping with what is tolerated in the open source community (which is what this is), then you should not be a Recognized Developer. It's a privilege, not a right. And not every developer has it (many do not wish to have it, and have declined to apply even when suggested). It's something that's open to apply for, but people must be at the required level of skills and act in the right manner. If either of these changes, then their status can be reviewed.
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1: TBQH, if a dev came into the dev thread for dori's HD2, and pulled the same thing, and then WE as users and HIM as a developer played the whole two year old fighting game, you can bet your arse I would expect you to put everyone on "time-out" that fired off "conduct not inkeeping" with the expected conduct of the open source community (as you put it), dori and any of us users that participated as well! Additionally, I wouldn't request a title be stripped, because to the users of XDA as a whole, RD might as well just be D, and lets face it, I see far more users here then developers. However as I said, even if one was at fault, if both sides where participating in the argument and insults and "bad conduct", I MYSELF would still punish both sides, even a warning is still more tactful then removal of a title and normally a warning shunts people before it would warrant a ban or title revocation.
2: It was a suggestion made "in passing", and sometimes, people need a few days or even a week to cool down, but your right, not many people would agree with me, but it was throwing out something other then removing a title that IMHO at least, has been deserved by dori for the longest time...
Im not ignoring the rest of your comment btw, I am not a developer, but I am a user and a PC Builder/Tech both as a hobby and a job, and I advocate "full wipes" or "clean testing environments" whenever I play with new rom's, fix issues on customers computers, or even encounter error's myself, so I see the fault in calling out an issue, prior to a "scrub test" as I like to call it myself, and i kinda went into the RD issue in 1: so ill leave it at that
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i have read the explanation from pulser but am somewhat dismayed by his reply shots were fired it seems from both sides, rude or derogatory they may have been but an apology was issued by dorimanx. my amusement stems from why when other devs on xda rant and rave at members for asking questions and call them stupid or thick and other inflamatory remarks you do not take their dev status from them
A we ask people to be respectful to each other, particularly anyone with a developer title.
your words above but yet iv not seen u or other moderators reprimanding those devs or taking their titles of them.
. If your conduct is not inkeeping with what is tolerated in the open source community (which is what this is), then you should not be a Recognized Developer.
more of your words but i have seen from thdeads on here the way ordinary decent people on here are treated and disrespected maybe their english is not too good or they are new and dont know their way around xda or maybe a threas is a few hundred pages long and they cant find what they are looking for and they ask a question. then lo and behold a dev tells them they are 2 stupid to look or too ignorant to.find it themselves or other worse remarks. is that not being disrespctful and NOT FOLLOWING YOUR CODE OF CONDUCT. yet ye take no action against them? as a result of the way people are insulted on here iv seen in threads where membera have said that they are leaving xda over the insults to them. so where were the moderators then and. why werent those devs titles taken??. read through your dev threads and you will see plenty of examples of this.
therefore it is not an even playing field for members here on xda and os if you want to throw me off xda so be it but until you clean up your act on xda you cant make 1 law for some and another law for others
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you make a good point, and I hope the mod reads it, I have seen many dev's for rom's and mods who definitely don't follow any "code of conduct" I have ever heard of, but I have NEVER (and I stress this in only my experience as a User of but a few ROM's) seen a user have his/hers title revoked, and I used to follow links and frequently browse XDA before I registered...
Now in saying that, its possible its due to a lack of "report"ing occurring, and with the latest fiasco regarding the E3D people have become "report" crazy and if it proves true, I should expect to see more "RD" and other "higher then senior member" accounts demoted
Ive noted before, Ill note again, I "assume" things being ok with making an ass out of myself, its part of the learning process, and I have to thank the mod for replying to me/us and taking the time to help us out as supporters of the user turned dev demoted user instead of outright closing the thread. Oh, and I am just a USER... dont taze me bro... (im a bit drunk, forgive me, I just had to...)
The biggest part of being a big open source community, or any community for that matter, is collaborating and the ability to tolerate mistakes. If nobody makes mistakes than the community is not evolving since there is nobody participating.
That being said, the bad blood which came across both Dorimanx and the other developer is a part of an active community, and it has been proven to be the only way somebody can truly learn; this is the main reason you have authority (moderators) present.
IMO stripping one user from his title but leaving the other is unfair prejudice, its like saying, "you were both wrong in your act, but he was wrong-er".
As a moderator, I suggest you ask yourself what is your message to the community, do you want more people participating but in a mannered, polite way or do you want people being afraid to challenge somebody?
As I see it, if you came here to learn, you ought to make mistakes; its a collaborative effort not a memorial for those who already know "everything" and came here to boost their ego, or am I wrong?
As a Retired Senior Mod and since i was involved in Dorinmax issue, i could say more about but this will be not fair against XDA, period.
XDA have rules and you are expected to follow them even if you are ERd, RD, RT, RC or a Mod, you cannot use a pubblic thread to make accuses, troll or to partecipate in a flaming war hence you will be punished with infraction points and/or ban and this happened in that case but yet i disagree with easy titles revoking and as said here, many other so called devs should be without the title.
The moral of the story is: When you have a problem or if you see any issue, contact you Forum Specific Moderator or any Senior Moderator, these people are doing a great job and they are always ready to help or to suggest how to address the problem in the better way.
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to the moderators xda. what is developer? it is some1 who takes something and strides and makes it better hence Dorimanx. why was his status as dev taken away?
i know the argument is that he took parts from other members and improved upon them, but hey isnt that what every 1 that has developer status on xda has done? no dev on this site has created or builta rim for our hd2s on their own tyrung, raphiga etc etc they have all taken something that was originally googles and improved upon it whether sense, gingerbread or ics. they have taken improved code from other devs or google and made changes to it. or have taken roms from devs that stopped working on them and improved them.
So why then were their developer status not removed?????
if that is the case then no 1 on xda are really developers they are all senior members.
and if as u claim they are regonised developers then u as moderators of xda have no option in my opinion but to REINSTATE DEVELOPER STATUS TO DORIMANX............
if not then you in all conscience have to take away DEVELOPER STATUS FROM ALL DEVS ON XDA.
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Thanks man, you have stirred a bit o' thought.......
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Looking again at this thread..do not politics come into everything that's worth talking about!
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shanman-2 said:
Looking again at this thread..do not politics come into everything that's worth talking about!
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thats the crux of it all no wonder so many great developers have left xda!!
Such is life in the virtual world and the real world ta boot .. .LOL,
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I have posted a kernel with gamma modification, Default frequency governer changed to "on-demand", and the addition of the name "sleekai" to the kernel name here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2647119
You MUST have a rooted system, adb with correct permissions installed on your computer, and a LG Gpad 8.3 GPE v510.
THIS WILL NOT WORK ON STOCK LG PADS! IT MUST BE THE GOOGLE PLAY EDITION!!!
If you bought it anywhere but the playstore, it's not the Google Play Edition.
See thread for instructions. DON'T FORGET TO MAKE A BACKUP!
After flashing the kernel to your device, you will need to install Trickster Mod, or some other screen adjustment app in order to change your gamma settings.
Can you build one for us lv500 owners
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Can you build one for us lv500 owners
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if I had the kernel source, yes I could. The problem would be how to flash it back onto the device. The 500 does not have an unlocked bootloader therefore fastboot cannot be used.
I would also need a running copy of the boot.emmc.win file from a boot backup of your device. You give me those two items, and a way to push it on to the device and I will be happy to make one with gamma correction for you to test.
Well there is a custom kernel floating around for the lv500 so I imagine it can be done but this stuff is beyond my skill set
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Well there is a custom kernel floating around for the lv500 so I imagine it can be done but this stuff is beyond my skill set
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I'm not aware of any for the stock lg 500 that actually work. A lot of hype. People shouldn't post items as being stable working projects when they are not.
It would be far better to announce test projects as such. I've read where people have bricked their devices due to another's need for validation, earned or not. Silly that.
This is awesome. I'm hoping something can be done for v500. One of the few gripes with the tablet universally is the brightness and the orange/brownish tint the screen has, especially on whites. Could you post any before and after photos to see how much of an improvement it made to the gamma? I'm excited to see where this could go. I'd love to help but like Canadoc, it's above my skill set as well.
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I'm not aware of any for the stock lg 500 that actually work. A lot of hype. People shouldn't post items as being stable working projects when they are not.
It would be far better to announce test projects as such. I've read where people have bricked their devices due to another's need for validation, earned or not. Silly that.
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I never said that this had to be for this stock LG rom but rather a kernel for the non Google Play Edition version . Here in this thread is a kernel for Android 4.4.2m which is not a Google Play edition rom.
Can a kernel not be made like this but with gamma controls
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2605646
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Canadoc said:
I never said that this had to be for this stock LG rom but rather a kernel for the non Google Play Edition version . Here in this thread is a kernel for Android 4.4.2m which is not a Google Play edition rom.
Can a kernel not be made like this but with gamma controls
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2605646
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Appears to be a solid kernel. You will have to ask the developer. As it is an LGE specific item, it would have to be a kernel based off of an LG source.
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Appears to be a solid kernel. You will have to ask the developer. As it is an LGE specific item, it would have to be a kernel based off of an LG source.
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it would really mean a lot for us which have tiny winy problems with light and colour issues:thumbup:
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Appears to be a solid kernel. You will have to ask the developer. As it is an LGE specific item, it would have to be a kernel based off of an LG source.
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I have asked him. He is planning on doing this. I mentioned this thread to you to show it is doable to make a kernel for a non lv500 device. Since you have done it already I assumed making a gamma correction addition to a kernel might be something you could do since it is among the most wanted improvements
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I have asked him. He is planning on doing this. I mentioned this thread to you to show it is doable to make a kernel for a non lv500 device. Since you have done it already I assumed making a gamma correction addition to a kernel might be something you could do since it is among the most wanted improvements
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I have made a kernel with the ability to adjust gamma for the Lg GPad Gpe 510, it is located in the second thread of my kernel how to in the development section.
And again, if you get me the kernel source for the LG g pad lge 500, and a copy of the boot.emmc.win file from a running Lg pad lge 500, I can make a kernel with the ability to adjust gamma. HOWEVER, I do not have a way to push the revised boot.emmc.win boot image containing the modified kernel back onto the 500 device because the boot loader on the Lg GPad lge 500 apparently can not be unlocked, and fastboot requires an unlocked boot loader. Fastboot is part of adb, which is what I use to put the boot image onto the Lg GPad gpe510.
So, in summary, get me the kernel source, a boot.emmc.win file, and a way to push the compiled kernel back onto your device, and I will be happy to.
Conversely, you SHOULD go to my kernel how to and learn how to roll your own!
I didn't just give you a kernel to work with, I gave you a way to work with a kernel!
Best regards, sleekmason
Ouch don't appreciate the tone of that post. I have already stated the compiling kiss kernels is way beyond my skill set. You mentioned that there was no kernel for the non GPE device so I directed you to a thread where there was one. If someone was able to compile. and create a flashable zip with a custom kernel then I assumed there was another way to do it. Instead of saying you are unable to or would need to confer with the other developer... you tell me to essentially get you everything or do it myself. I wouldn't ask for help if I could do all those things. I appreciate you helping others but think a little better attitude would be appreciated in your replies. I will gladly leave this thread given how clearly you have made your position.
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Ouch don't appreciate the tone of that post. I have already stated the compiling kiss kernels is way beyond my skill set. You mentioned that there was no kernel for the non GPE device so I directed you to a thread where there was one. If someone was able to compile. and create a flashable zip with a custom kernel then I assumed there was another way to do it. Instead of saying you are unable to or would need to confer with the other developer... you tell me to essentially get you everything or do it myself. I wouldn't ask for help if I could do all those things. I appreciate you helping others but think a little better attitude would be appreciated in your replies. I will gladly leave this thread given how clearly you have made your position.
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you asked for the same thing in multiple threads, with replies by me in each to read explain the situation. my tone was correct for your continued insistence that I should do something for you, for free, now, based on the fact that "you want".
I, being a good nature, informed you (twice in this thread alone), that if you were to give me certain items that I do not have access to on my own personal tablet, I would be more than happy to make you a kernel.
I also noted that in the thread that you gave me you had also asked the other kernel developer for gamma correction. I have absolutely nothing to do with his current development and I am NOT in contact with other developers about anything.
You come across as somebody that is just flaming the threads. Quit it.
Let's be clear about something. Yes I asked in more than one thread each one appropriately so as this one is directly related to my questions.
Secondly you clearly stated that such a kernel could be done but that based on how YOU do things it would not work on the Lv500.
You go on to wrongly claim that kernels for our device can't be made. I supplied a thread to show you otherwise.
I also plainly state I lack the skills to make my own kernel and based upon your boastful ways about the ease of compiling kernels I asked if you could do the same for the much more commonly owned model that people in this thread own.
You basically tell me to provide you with things you know I won't be able to and make it sound like I am fault that the kernel can't be built by you instead of being less arrogant and saying you don't have the skills.
You create multiple threads and brag about your accomplishment then act offended when others ask for help. Don't be so full of yourself. A simple wish I could help but I don't have the right tools our skills would suffice. Trust me when I say I may be asking for such a kernel but I am not alone by a long shot in wanting one given the gamma issues with this device.
I have been on xda long enough and take offense to you insinuating me flaming on here. If you can't act like a grown up then don't bother posting. If you consider yourself a real dev then you would welcome the challenges and enjoy helping us instead of mocking people who ask for help.
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Canadoc said:
Let's be clear about something. Yes I asked in more than one thread each one appropriately so as this one is directly related to my questions.
Secondly you clearly stated that such a kernel could be done but that based on how YOU do things it would not work on the Lv500.
You go on to wrongly claim that kernels for our device can't be made. I supplied a thread to show you otherwise.
I also plainly state I lack the skills to make my own kernel and based upon your boastful ways about the ease of compiling kernels I asked if you could do the same for the much more commonly owned model that people in this thread own.
You basically tell me to provide you with things you know I won't be able to and make it sound like I am fault that the kernel can't be built by you instead of being less arrogant and saying you don't have the skills.
You create multiple threads and brag about your accomplishment then act offended when others ask for help. Don't be so full of yourself. A simple wish I could help but I don't have the right tools our skills would suffice. Trust me when I say I may be asking for such a kernel but I am not alone by a long shot in wanting one given the gamma issues with this device.
I have been on xda long enough and take offense to you insinuating me flaming on here. If you can't act like a grown up then don't bother posting. If you consider yourself a real dev then you would welcome the challenges and enjoy helping us instead of mocking people who ask for help.
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Wow. Really? I'm done with you. Good luck with your endeavors.
Reread your post to me. A little high and mighty that is my issue. As I said I am happy that your work is possibly helping people here. But you acted in your post like I was trying to call you out when my purpose was to point you to a thread that might provide you insight into how to develop a kernel for a non GPE model
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Amazing. I have apparently fallen for a trap where people change what they've posted in order to sound different then their original statements. good job, but I will not be lured anymore.
The OP is not obligated to provide you anything. He was kind enough to provide a how to guide on how to build a kernel and the one he made for others to profit from. But as it is not for the v500 you are offended that he won't make one for you....
This is like me posting in every custom rom made for the v500 that I want the same for the v510. I come to XDA to read /learn and use what the nice developers provide to us out of their kindness. People who pick fights with the devs are what scares them away and turns XDA into a forum of spoiled kids to lazy to read and asking the same question over and over.
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The OP is not obligated to provide you anything. He was kind enough to provide a how to guide on how to build a kernel and the one he made for others to profit from. But as it is not for the v500 you are offended that he won't make one for you....
This is like me posting in every custom rom made for the v500 that I want the same for the v510. I come to XDA to read /learn and use what the nice developers provide to us out of their kindness. People who pick fights with the devs are what scares them away and turns XDA into a forum of spoiled kids to lazy to read and asking the same question over and over.
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No it is not quite like that. I am not offended by that in the least. Rather I am offended by how he said something not by what. As a physician if I spoke to my patients in that manner I would be fielding plenty of complaints by the administration.
Given how few kernels exist for this tablet it is not unreasonable in the 2 or 3 whole threads related to kernel to ask if it impossible to make one for the lv500. It is not laziness but rather a lack of skill set in that area and no time to try to learn Coding and Linux. I usually support devs by contributing financially where reasonable or by providing information etc that helps them further their work. I just don't appreciate when a dev develops a chip on their shoulder and essentially amounts to" go do it yourself."
I was clear in both my posts I appreciated his work for others but just not the tone of his reply with me.
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