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I'm tired of being treated like "the unwashed masses"

When did XDA become the land of "just wait while we sort this out for you". I came here to get my hands dirty. I came here to **** up my phone to all kingdom come in the name of hackery. This is ridiculous. Everyone shared what they had and everyone knew the risks. Now we have threads getting closed because something might brick radios? I've bricked much worse and lived. I've never seen a community so stifled by moderation and developers caught up in a secret-club-house mentality.

While I agree with you..can we please post this in the right section?

gTen said:
While I agree with you..can we please post this in the right section?
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sorry I mis-tabbed there.

OMG not another post in the wrong section!

Sorry for the duplicate post!

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Sorry for the duplicate post!
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Not another double post :O ....

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That's hilarious!
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In the hopes that this topic gets taken seriously, I'll add a comment that's actually relevant.
I've been standing by and watching this whole froyo episode play out without much comment because I'm relatively new to the community, but I totally agree with OP's mentality. XDA is about hacking, hacking is inherently risky. All people have to do is be very clear about the risks and there's no reason to hold anything back.
The "but there will be a flood of noobs" excuse is a complete cop-out on the part of the developers and the moderators. The solution is very simple: Have one clear and concise guide to un-bricking your phone stuck and take a firm "you're responsible for what you do" stance.

Amen, thats what I liked about the rhodium, the forums werent congested with childrens ****. Back to business.
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akijikan said:
When did XDA become the land of "just wait while we sort this out for you". I came here to get my hands dirty. I came here to **** up my phone to all kingdom come in the name of hackery. This is ridiculous. Everyone shared what they had and everyone knew the risks. Now we have threads getting closed because something might brick radios? I've bricked much worse and lived. I've never seen a community so stifled by moderation and developers caught up in a secret-club-house mentality.
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Every forum does usually take that turn.. but posting **** in the wrong section doesn't help.

Epic forums are ridiculous,man I wish I got the Vibrant insteead.Yeah Epic progress is slow but if someone dont want to release something for whatever reason its their right no to do so,and after trying out these froyos is see why they don't release them.Just wait when devs polish up these froyo leaks I'm sure they will release them.
But for people that want betas devs should post beta test versions on twitter for those that can't wait,so these forums wont be havin all these bull**** ass posts.

If they don't want to release it then don't talk about it either. It's just crowd whoring and adds nothing to the forum. If you don't want to have people yelling at you for not releasing then don't drop hints that you have something they don't.
If they didn't basically tease us we wouldn't be aware there was anything we're missing.
Mods try to remember you're here to keep things civil. Not censor things like some xda big brother. I can see cutting out piracy threads. But the dk05 threads don't fall under that in most countries.
Down with the oligarchy the hero and evo forums put the epic ones to shame. I despise censorship. Look up the definition this is censorship.
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The secret clubhouse mentality by the devs regarding cooking their own roms needs to stop. Simple as that. It completely goes against the entire point of Open Source and a lot of the time they are violating the GPL as well as other licenses. I've had it; I'm just going to start reporting GPL violations to the FSF and let their lawyers deal with you if you want to be stupid.
And for those devs who get pissy because someone took their work, modified it, and re-released it? What do you think Android is in the first place? It is a flavor of Linux. Just like how Ubuntu is based off of Debian or CentOS is based off of RHEL, they're all derivatives of each other all the way to the same common kernel source that is still, to this day, maintained by Linus Torvalds. So stop having hissy fits over "stolen" work. You stole it in the first place. Plus, you're required to make sources available. Why is it so hard for you people to get that through your head?
Stop acting like children and work together. Christ.

Hiding and keeping stuff from the community is completely against the spirit and purpose of this place. But, ya know, it's what happens when the egos are the ones that get their hands on it first.

Mutiny32 said:
The secret clubhouse mentality by the devs regarding cooking their own roms needs to stop. Simple as that. It completely goes against the entire point of Open Source and a lot of the time they are violating the GPL as well as other licenses. I've had it; I'm just going to start reporting GPL violations to the FSF and let their lawyers deal with you if you want to be stupid.
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Heh nothing else seems to get the idea that this is a community and the code isn't theirs through their heads. Maybe this will. You'de swear these guys were windows devs. Closed solutions cannot be implemented from gpl code. Derivative works must be shared according to the contract you agree to when using gpl code.
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Mutiny32 said:
The secret clubhouse mentality by the devs regarding cooking their own roms needs to stop. Simple as that. It completely goes against the entire point of Open Source and a lot of the time they are violating the GPL as well as other licenses. I've had it; I'm just going to start reporting GPL violations to the FSF and let their lawyers deal with you if you want to be stupid.
And for those devs who get pissy because someone took their work, modified it, and re-released it? What do you think Android is in the first place? It is a flavor of Linux. Just like how Ubuntu is based off of Debian or CentOS is based off of RHEL, they're all derivatives of each other all the way to the same common kernel source that is still, to this day, maintained by Linus Torvalds. So stop having hissy fits over "stolen" work. You stole it in the first place. Plus, you're required to make sources available. Why is it so hard for you people to get that through your head?
Stop acting like children and work together. Christ.
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I think you are pushing it a little too much..they are not violating the GPL..the GPL does not FORCE people to distribute content they received..it just ALLOWS a person the right that once the content is received to distribute it...an example would be the DK05..once he got his hands on it, he automatically had the right to legally distribute it...
BUT Android also is not fully under GPL..the kernel I think is...Android itself is under the Apache License.

Everybody needs to just calm down. As far as I've checked Froyo still isn't out officially for the Epic. You guys are getting all worked up over some leaked beta software and licensing issues that really wouldn't apply to software that was leaked. There will be plenty of quality offerings when the official software is released. Samsung/Sprint haven't release the software or source yet. Just because you own the phone doesn't give you the right to have their internal beta software. If an xda dev has it and feels that it isn't worthy to post on the forums, that is their right. Somebody was b*tching about GPL infractions. Sure, ROMs derived from the released versions need to be compliant with the GPL. As far as leaked beta software, the dev could be breaking a NDA (non discloser agreement) to post any code or software they have obtained early. Doing so as a developer, is serious business and not to be taken lightly. Any stuff we get on the forums early is bonus, but NOT your right.

We will all sing a different tune once froyo is released officially and roms are being pumped out everyone will be happy until we find out we aren't getting 2.3 lol I just think people are tired of being on 2.1 and getting a bit antsy..patience
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Gingerbread will be 3.0 not 2.3 just fyi
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lostlander said:
Down with the oligarchy the hero and evo forums put the epic ones to shame. I despise censorship. Look up the definition this is censorship.
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When froyo was leaked for the evo the roms never stopped coming. Iwas hoping to see the same here..there's talk of bugs and what not so we HAVE to wait(I don't mind) for an official release before we can talk about what direction the epic dev community is moving in
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Epic dev fallout

Here's my two cents on the issue.
I'm not privvy to all the "behind-the-scenes" info, but I have seen some crap in my time here on XDA, which has solely been in the EPIC community.
Not relevant in all cases, but for instance when BThomas was still kickin' around with Viper, he almost threw in the towel on numerous occasions after anonymous dev\mods with influence or power got butt-hurt and tried to get his work banned. That kind of crap is no doubt one reason why some devs have disappeared, not to mention whatever happened with some of the ACS devs.
No doubt people get all crazed with their interwebz power, get jealous, and try to throw some weight around. Maybe that works in the workforce when people get a paycheck, but the last thing someone wants is for morons to start complaining about how your volunteered time is hurting their ego.
...maybe we need to front the $$$ for a whaaambulance, might clean few things up around here.

I'm leaving here soon! .. But not all is devs crying over a thanks .. Some of us members are part of the reason too!
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dcowboys2184 said:
I'm leaving here soon! .. But not all is devs crying over a thanks .. Some of us members are part of the reason too!
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Its not for a thanks, its for credit.
And a "thanks" is the least you can do to give back.
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dcowboys2184 said:
I'm leaving here soon! .. But not all is devs crying over a thanks .. Some of us members are part of the reason too!
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To be sure, for every one of us that supports by money or time, there are those that choose to piss and moan.
But as was said above, being butt-hurt has little to do with receiving a thanks but the opposite when a thanks is deserved...and also going to silly measures to satisfy your jealousy/ego.
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thanks to the name of the phone all news regarding it is instantly over-sensationalized..
EPIC dev fallout sounds pretty.. uh.. epic

Yeah, it is rather punny =D

Nothing against you MeetFace.. But don't you think we have enough threads about devs. It seems like every week after one falls off the frontpage a new one is started. Adding another one in the General section isn't going to do anything but make more people coming to this forum just move else where. If the Devs get into it with each other we should let them sort it out and not get involved. Besides the Evo section has always been worse than ours..

If had noticed/felt that I was being redundant or "preaching to the choir", I would withheld my remarks.
I don't check the forums as often as I used to, and I check the general section even less, so forgive my lack of noticing what apparently may be a problem. I was merely responding to an issue that was raised in a closed thread, felt like there were some words that needed to be said.
If you think my comments are wrong or misplaced...then you are naive, because I speak of real situations. I won't go into any more detail, but I will say this:
If you can't man up an be civilized, then you should keep your mouth shut, and regardless of your contributions, whether they be developing or support, you are doing a major disservice to a "community" when you try to tear people down in public, instead of trying to build them up.

It's really simple. Adhere to the GPL and the XDA rules against advertising other sites that require registration to download custom ROMS.
A "donation" to obtain access to GPL or similarly licensed code violates the GPL (or the respective license) and will get your ass sued by the FSF. Thusly, linking to a site that violates the law will land XDA in trouble.
RMS would **** bricks over what some of the devs here have done.

I get that, and for those situations, it overrides anything I said here in this thread.
But that's not the whole story in all situations...thus the thread I created.

MeetFace said:
I get that, and for those situations, it overrides anything I said here in this thread.
But that's not the whole story in all situations...thus the thread I created.
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Sorry, I wasn't replying to you. I just want to make it clear the reason why the mods/XDA has reacted to some devs the way they have. It's to cover their own asses from legal repercussions.

No hard feelings, just wanted to clarify that I wasn't implying the above was the case with those types of issues. Didn't mean to sound abrasive, gotta love voice-less text =]
But again, I do agree with, people should follow the rules, people should not take things so personally, and in and open source environment, people should get so selfish.

I fully agree with you. And the loss of emotion and everything else by using text-only is something that completely enrages me when I want to actually talk to my friends who live half-way around the world but they refuse to use webcams or even voice. I've just resorted to telling them to screw off unless they call or video-call me. Far too much meaning is lost otherwise and only causes trouble.

dcowboys2184 said:
I'm leaving here soon! .. But not all is devs crying over a thanks .. Some of us members are part of the reason too!
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You're right. It is some of the members too. The members that bash people because they ask a noob question and feel that they are so far above the person that they have to put them down. There's bullying in this forum and to the point where I've almost stepped in and said something in defense of the person. That kind of **** has no place here, just like the other crap doesnt either.

You'll like this:
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/02/70179
I've read the actual study years back in one of my business classes back at the old University.
This is why you can't take things personally all the time...will save you some butt-hurt =D

I don't really have anything to add to this conversation, but I just wanted to say that "butt-hurt" is my new favorite internet phrase. That is all.

MeetFace said:
You'll like this:
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/02/70179
I've read the actual study years back in one of my business classes back at the old University.
This is why you can't take things personally all the time...will save you some butt-hurt =D
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Or add in a " " and make someones day! Lol
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djbacon06 said:
I don't really have anything to add to this conversation, but I just wanted to say that "butt-hurt" is my new favorite internet phrase. That is all.
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I'll have to admit, your appreciation of my usage of the phrase afforded me not a few audibly deep belly chuckles.
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I started a thread about this a while ago. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1002595
I have a slightly different take on all of this. While I'm glad that most of today's issues are resolved these problems will arise again. This whole thing went down today because someone complained about pieces and parts of a developers ROM. Then I got dragged into this because I use the Bonsai kernel that I made NO changes to. Apparently all I had to do was post a link to the Bonsai source code and the problem went away. There are not a lot of us left here in the Epic forums for various and often times preventable reasons.
There is to much inconsistency with how these forums are moderated. Is impaler gone now? I mean it's like one day everything is ok and then the next day it's a problem. In all fairness to the mods they are over worked and simply not paid. Perhaps, xda should think about paying these guys a little something for their efforts. Perhaps XDA is growing to fast for it's own good. I mean in my opinion is quality over quantity.
My other issue is the in-fighting. We have people here that live to make drama and start flame wars. I'm not singling anyone out on this but it happens and a lot more often in the past few weeks. I don't know why we don't focus more on purging the forums of problem people rather then productive developers that choose to venture away from xda. We also need to be very careful about publicly accusing people of being in violation of a GPL. Falsely accusing someone of something should not be taken lightly. All it serves to do is misinform the community and cause confusion for the users as to what really happened. Not to mention the damage done to someones reputation.
XDA would be nothing without the developers and users that make it up. I realize that XDA makes the rules and are well within their rights to do so. But sometimes some of these rules need to be revisited from time to time to make sure they are applicable especially when a site is growing as rapidly as XDA is.
This place used to be an escape for me. Something I enjoyed participating in but anymore it serves to cause more stress then it helps to manage. If we want this community to survive we ALL need to think about how we carry ourselves here and what kind of behavior and attitude we deem acceptable. I'm very frustrated with the direction this is all going in and I have really tried to keep us going in the right direction. We all play a part in the negativity and we ALL NEED to play a part in making things better.
For the record, I thought today was handled pretty well as far as transparency goes. So Thank You.

Threads like this need to go away. Drama explaining the drama. Wish the mods would just delete any drama threads here.

Thank you mods

Thank you mods. According to JT now he no longer be contributing to this site due to your ****ty job. We lost one if the best developers.
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Where is he going
Tap-a-Talked from my Mesmerize
CM7 @ 1.2ghz w/ Tk-Glitch ML Kernel

Where did you hear that? If it's true, then that's pretty depressing. I hope he changes his mind eventually.

I don't blame him for leaving. But it does kinda suck.
Tap-a-Talked from my Mesmerize
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He'll continue to update @rootzwiki

I figured he would. That's gonna be the place to go if things don't change around here. He isn't the first to go and I say he won't be the last either.
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Yes, the mods should work to clean up some of the asinine and obnoxious posts on here, such as this thread's OP. Too bad adults have to be monitored like children

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Yes, the mods should work to clean up some of the asinine and obnoxious posts on here, such as this thread's OP. Too bad adults have to be monitored like children
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Zinger. Just reporting what I saw on twitter. Back to your moms basement
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I don't get what the whole drama is about. I saw adrynalyn's letter although it really didn't explain what exactly happened at xda and why he was banned and why other developers are leaving too. It seems like there is a massive exodus of developers but I really don't know why or what happened. There is drama here definitely but not much more than I've seen at other forums although xda has gotten huge. Oh, well... I really don't care what forum I go to. I don't get too involved.
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Damn. Didnt know Adrynalyn had got banned. That's pretty messed up. As for the exodus I have noticed it too. There almost no development going on in the Mesmerize development section. All of them have went to Rootzwiki. I haven't even seen them post in other threads or anything. So whatever has happened its enough to piss them all off. I wouldn't mind knowing what happened myself but oh well. Maybe I don't need too.
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What exactly are you talking about? What lack of moderation have you seen? Maybe instead of posting a complaint thread you could actually bring something to my attention and it can get dealt with. I moderate 3 forums here at XDA and don't see EVERYTHING. Seriously, we have a report post button for a reason...

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What exactly are you talking about? What lack of moderation have you seen? Maybe instead of posting a complaint thread you could actually bring something to my attention and it can get dealt with. I moderate 3 forums here at XDA and don't see EVERYTHING. Seriously, we have a report post button for a reason...
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first, I like how you cleaned this place up from what it was, and I have not seen anything singling you out. I follow a lot of devs on twitter.. And from what I gather, most of the frustration and animosity from the devs is toward the community itself. And what is toward the mods, it seems more the lack of numbers. another thing that I think bugs the devs is xda's add revenue not being put toward the community or t.the devs enough.. What it boils down to is
The feeling of appreciation, they all do this expecting nothing. So your gonna be on thin ice from the get go.. Devs don't need XDA at all, not 1 bit.. But you do need them. Xda needs to kiss the devs asses and make them feel like royalty, weather you like it or not, that's the only thing that will keep the devs here
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neh4pres said:
first, I like how you cleaned this place up from what it was, and I have not seen anything singling you out. I follow a lot of devs on twitter.. And from what I gather, most of the frustration and animosity from the devs is toward the community itself. And what is toward the mods, it seems more the lack of numbers. another thing that I think bugs the devs is xda's add revenue not being put toward the community or t.the devs enough.. What it boils down to is
The feeling of appreciation, they all do this expecting nothing. So your gonna be on thin ice from the get go.. Devs don't need XDA at all, not 1 bit.. But you do need them. Xda needs to kiss the devs asses and make them feel like royalty, weather you like it or not, that's the only thing that will keep the devs here
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No, it wont. These forums are very poorly moderated, I think the mods expect too much from people as far as reporting goes. Threads are made in the wrong section all of the time and dont get moved for days sometimes a week+ Some threads need to be cleaned of non contributing, repetitive crap. The list is longer than I care to sit here and type out. In the end, the lack of moderation and the bickering/immaturity that stems from every side of the table is going to do this forum in. It's not the first time and it wont be the last time. This site got too popular and too many people that have no desire to learn come here expecting to be spoon fed information. Anyways, it's sad to see that it had to come to this. Personally I think whatever action is taken might just be too late unless someone proactively tried to mend the situation from all angles.

I'd like to thanks the mods for their service to the community. You guys don't get paid to do this stuff, so we appreciate it. As for the developers, it's obvious that we all should have the utmost respect and thankfulness for all of them, as they contribute to the functionality and usability of our phones and expect nothing in return. The only thing that really, really hacks me is when people expect nice little packages to be delivered to their phone, (bug-free) and become downright donkey holes when they are asked to learn something themselves. XDA is a learning and collaboration portal, and those who demand something for nothing immediately give the lot of us a bad name. Keep up the good work mods and devs.

Thanks bro. Much appreciated. We DON'T get paid to do this, we are all here on a volunteer basis.
People have forgotten what XDA is truly about...DEVELOPMENT and COLLABORATION between users who want to get the most out of their devices, not a place to come and make your phone 1337.
But alas, all this will turn into is a flame war, so hey, hers some moderation since I apparently don't do my job. /s
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[Q] Confused about a certain "developer"

Ok, I am confused. I am new to the whole Acer Iconia A500 and such and so far, I am happy with my refurbished purchase having installed Taboonay 2.2. However, I keep seeing this name of Thor around the forums here and having this individual bashed for things. I have some questions...
1. Why is his releases not allowed to be linked to XDA?
2. Why is it that I see in posts and comments that his ROM is considered Warez? or better yet, what makes his ROM to be considered Warez?
If those can be answered, I should have a better understanding about this fellow.
ThanX in advance!

There are a bunch of threads about this. Do a little research and u could find an explanation better than I can give u.
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XaviorPenguin said:
Ok, I am confused. I am new to the whole Acer Iconia A500 and such and so far, I am happy with my refurbished purchase having installed Taboonay 2.2. However, I keep seeing this name of Thor around the forums here and having this individual bashed for things. I have some questions...
1. Why is his releases not allowed to be linked to XDA?
2. Why is it that I see in posts and comments that his ROM is considered Warez? or better yet, what makes his ROM to be considered Warez?
If those can be answered, I should have a better understanding about this fellow.
ThanX in advance!
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Short story is he's in direct violation of the GPL (he refuses to publish his source code for his kernel).
If you've got nothing to hide, then why bother hiding it?!?

I'm running his rom and it is the best rom I have used! But everyone has a right to their opinion. Also has anyone kindly asked him to? Or why he won't? Anyways, I still like his work.
~Sent from my Droid SuperCharge~

gmfeny said:
There are a bunch of threads about this. Do a little research and u could find an explanation better than I can give u.
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I would rather be flamed with the links, if you are going to comment.
I searched and even asked a mod. I am glad OP posted this one. Now I know.
I have been running Thor's ROM and Kernal and have had ZERO count them ZERO issues. Everything runs smooth. Battery life is awesome. no complaints and as far as I can tell, I have no need to update. Maybe if ICS comes but this is pretty damn perfect.

It's a pretty simple matter from what I understand.
Everything on XDA must be GPL. This means you must share the source code for all of the work that you do. This makes sense because your constantly building on others efforts, and should give credit where it is do. Also being built on linux means the very foundations of android are GPL.
In this case, Thor did not publish the source code to his kernel. For that reason, it (and his roms which use it) cannot be put on XDA.
It's considered 'warez' because he is breaking the license agreement of the kernel (the GPL). Any software which violates a license agreement is illegal, and thus, warez.
Why he did not give the source for his kernel, I do not know. It is not, however, an issue of whether his software performs well or not. For this reason, many choose to run his roms anyways.

The interesting thing is, cwm uses thor's kernel and they haven't banned it since we have no alternative at this time. I did see someone in the development section is working on a gpl compliant recovery. The nice thing is, it is very easy to visit thor's site and download what you need.

>DARKMAN< said:
I'm running his rom and it is the best rom I have used! But everyone has a right to their opinion. Also has anyone kindly asked him to? Or why he won't? Anyways, I still like his work.
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Turboboxer said:
I would rather be flamed with the links, if you are going to comment.
I searched and even asked a mod. I am glad OP posted this one. Now I know.
I have been running Thor's ROM and Kernal and have had ZERO count them ZERO issues. Everything runs smooth. Battery life is awesome. no complaints and as far as I can tell, I have no need to update. Maybe if ICS comes but this is pretty damn perfect.
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No one has said he does bad work.
Do you know what information your OS is sending out, possibly to Thor himself?
Quick answer....h3ll no!
Why? Because he refuses to release his source code which is in direct violation of the GPL which everyone else (at least here at XDA does).
And that's the only reason I won't allow his work to touch my tab.
The alternate CWM posted in the dev section is good enough to flash with, which is all I need (never do backups), so at least I know what my ROM is doing, and I KNOW you both CAN'T say the same about your tabs. Not flaming, just pointing out something most people aren't aware of.

Icy Faux FTW!
I liked Thor's ROM but why load a ROM with parts not working? Both auto brightness and hardware screen lock don't work. When other ROMs have it working and seem to run just as well (again, Honeylicious FTW), why bother with it? I do, however, run his Kernel.
My 2 cents....

kjy2010 said:
No one has said he does bad work.
Do you know what information your OS is sending out, possibly to Thor himself?
Quick answer....h3ll no!
Why? Because he refuses to release his source code which is in direct violation of the GPL which everyone else (at least here at XDA does).
And that's the only reason I won't allow his work to touch my tab.
The alternate CWM posted in the dev section is good enough to flash with, which is all I need (never do backups), so at least I know what my ROM is doing, and I KNOW you both CAN'T say the same about your tabs. Not flaming, just pointing out something most people aren't aware of.
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Paranoid much?
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Paranoid much?
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If you've got nothing to hide, why hide it j/o?

dman918 said:
Icy Faux FTW!
I liked Thor's ROM but why load a ROM with parts not working? Both auto brightness and hardware screen lock don't work. When other ROMs have it working and seem to run just as well (again, Honeylicious FTW), why bother with it? I do, however, run his Kernel.
My 2 cents....
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I gave up those useless features for hide status bar and Thor parts add ons. Not a fan of Honeylicious, no offense kjy.
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Rock on! Glad to know exactly why. I did do some research and tried to find a definite answer but couldn't find an exact one as bluntly as my questions were.
So, to all who answered my questions, THANK YOU! I appreciate it.
Mad props to all of y'all for definitely being smarter than I.

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Everything on XDA must be GPL. This means you must share the source code for all of the work that you do. This makes sense because your constantly building on others efforts, and should give credit where it is do. Also being built on linux means the very foundations of android are GPL.
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This part is not completely true.
Only code that is licensed under the GPL, such as kernel code, must be shared. Code from other licenses like Apache (which covers the userspace of Android), are not required to be shared and so don't have to be.
So basically, Thor doesn't have to release source for his ROM's, but he DOES for his kernel. He's been asked to several times but flatly refuses and the only reason ever give is that people steal his work, which is nonesense as it's not his work to start with.

Reading this thread is making me paranoid.
I have installed several different ROMs on my new A500. I keep going back to Thor's 14.2 ROM. For what I want out of my tablet, it is my favorite. He does great work.
Any reason to think Thor is trustworthy or untrustworthy? I am considering abandoning the Thor 14.2 ROM because blatantly violating the GPL agreement just isn't cool and having concerns about what he may or may not be doing in the background kinda sucks.

There is no real reason to suspect Thor is doing anything untoward in his ROM. It's possible he is, but it's equally possible he isn't. The main objection is the blatant disregard he shows to the thousands of developers who's work he is stealing.

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The main objection is the blatant disregard he shows to the thousands of developers whose work he is stealing.
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No, sorry, I have nothing better to contribute right now, I just thought Floatie needs some attention.
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blancocar said:
Any reason to think Thor is trustworthy or untrustworthy?
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Well, ignoring GPL license and just ripping off the work of others does show some questionable personality traits, but other than that I don't see any reason to suspect he'd actually be spying on people. Of course, there's no saying he won't start doing it sometime in the future if he's offered enough "incentive" to do so.

blancocar said:
Reading this thread is making me paranoid.
I have installed several different ROMs on my new A500. I keep going back to Thor's 14.2 ROM. For what I want out of my tablet, it is my favorite. He does great work.
Any reason to think Thor is trustworthy or untrustworthy? I am considering abandoning the Thor 14.2 ROM because blatantly violating the GPL agreement just isn't cool and having concerns about what he may or may not be doing in the background kinda sucks.
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The problem is that without him publishing his source code, you'll never know what he's doing.
Not saying he is, or isn't doing anything in the background. Thanks to the GPL most of the major phone carriers were caught using Carrier IQ (Google that if you'd like a real scare), and without Thor's source code, you'll never know without him publishing his source.
WereCatf said:
No, sorry, I have nothing better to contribute right now, I just thought Floatie needs some attention.
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Well, ignoring GPL license and just ripping off the work of others does show some questionable personality traits, but other than that I don't see any reason to suspect he'd actually be spying on people. Of course, there's no saying he won't start doing it sometime in the future if he's offered enough "incentive" to do so.
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+999,999,999

Floatie.. HOW CUTE
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You gotta love xda...
he is not the only cutie on here . Just saying..
I think thor is only hiding the fact that the work is not really his... But feels Bigger then others .. so he hides ... but who knows for sure..

I do know that devs come up with some awesome feature to put in their roms, this happened on the sgs2 forum with the Rarity rom. The dev shared his idea and the next thing was 1 or 2 new roms incorporating what he wanted to do but hadn't finished yet.
I know this is done in the spirit of sharing and to benefit the community but when things you are working hard to do are essentially copied and take away your moment of triumph, the fact you can say "I did this first", then it does get frustrating.... We lost a kickass dev over that...
Thor maybe up to no good or he may have a few things he wants to improve on before releasing to the community, only time will tell, and you may never know....

Quit derailing development threads please.

Please stop derailing development threads, it really is getting out of hand. Instead of letting moderators step in, how about policing ourselves? If you don't have anything good to say, then don't say anything. If you take ownership to the matter, then settle it in private channels. This is only hindering people learning the inner workings of android and roms.
If one person creates rom A, built from source (obviously referring to aosp roms). Chances are rom A is using work done by other individuals in the community to achieve a certain goal. This is called an Open Source Community. So rom B comes in and uses A as a base. This is great, because I've found that when this occurs, bugs get squashed much quicker. No matter the skills of the user/developer, they have the ability to find some of the smallest issues that cause the biggest bugs. Even if rom B only has little things like the wifi scan interval changed, or added/subtracted APK's. The only thing necessary here, is a little bit of credit and submitting/notifying the original author of bug fixes and/or enhancements. When this occurs, there is no "he did this" "he got this working first" bull. I could go on forever on proper etiquette, but that's not my point. Let's let everyone do their thing, and if there is a real issue that needs to be addressed, handle it in a classy manner.
Thanks for your time, and i apologize in advance to moderators if this thread gets out of hand, feel free to remove it.

Well said, now if people will only start holding back their words.

Sounds good. Credit where credit is due. No one develops completely on their own (for the most part). Even the CM branch is a "team". When knowledgeable people work together (and acknowledge the source of their work) we all win, and the builds get better.
This model benefits all.
I know, as the user of a now ancient device, I would love to see development NOT come to a halt, or be pushed off to the unfindable fringes.
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I'm very grateful for all the people out there who put their time and effort into making my device better and enjoyable....essentially saving me money....and ask for very little in return. I believe Google has set and shown the example that when people share ideas and work....a product can improve and evolve much faster. Thanks to everybody out there who participates and believes in these principles, and I look forward to your future endeavours.
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Well said, Drew! Awesome

Yup Yup. Btw I agree with what you said in the other thread about not completely agreeing with the xda rule in regards to having to gain permission to use peoples work. Only thing that should be req is proper notation in the OP that its being used and that's it. Imho.
It gets real sad around here when people fight over work and even more so when they do so in public channels. Happened in the 3D section awhile ago and was redic.
If you did something and you don't see credit in an OP for it It's simple, PM the user to discuss it and if that doesn't work PM a mod to help mediate the dispute. NEVER should it be discussed in public threads!
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Well written Mr Drew. I wouldn't worry about those who mess things for everyone else, they surely have nothing better to do.
Keep up the solid work.
Thanks.

That was perfect. Not only are you a tremendous developer, but a very wise person as well. Thank you for taking the time out to write this up. And thank you and everyone else for sharing your/their knowledge.
It would be really nice if there was a list where everything that's gotten done/fixed giving credit to that particular person. Or perhaps when you work off of someone else's work, you bring all of the credits with you. That way as it moves along the credits will stay with that particular version of rom.
By the way, preview7 is running great.
Thanks again,
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Let's not forget about donating to the devs of which you use their hard work. Yes this stuff is free, but hours and hours go into the smallest things sometimes. Even if everyone donated 1 dollar to the dev(s)of the Rom or whatever you use, you're still making a difference. Let's show each other some respect here. Not just to other devs, but to other users also

I wrote this in the other thread but it applies here too. A huge thanks to all who are truly interested in moving forward and improving the Evo experience. And +1 on donating to the devs, all of the devs.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22234151&postcount=45

Good post drewizzle
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tommytomatoe said:
Good post drewizzle
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+1 well stated

Well, everyone should just place nice in the sand box, end of story. Development will get back on it's steady crawl.