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What is happening to this community?
What is with all the complaining ALL the time? This community is falling apart and we are all responsible for that. It seems all anyone ever does is complain about EVERY little tiny thing... We actually have it pretty good. Most of the Epic users will be on stock ROM's for the life of their phones. We have the opportunity to use, create and share something much better. The developers here at XDA are top notch and clearly do a better job then both Sprint and Samsung seem to be capable of...and yet we still find things to complain about and people to criticize. Why is that??
Speaking of the developers here, they put a HUGE amount of time and sometimes money (hosting ect) into providing all of us something truly useful and a big step up from what we would otherwise be stuck with. The attitude of "entitlement" needs to shift to something more like being "grateful" for what is provide here, FREE of charge.
Sure some developers have an off XDA website but so what. If it doesn't violate the rules then WHO CARES. Speaking for myself ONLY, I have very good reasons for redirecting (and I do believe I meet the requirements) traffic to my blog and they don't revolve around money. If you don't like the "inconvenience" of being redirected then don't use my ROM's. I can't please everyone..no matter how hard I may try. The way I personally view it is if I can find the time in my life to put this stuff together for anyone that wants to use it then you should be able to find the extra few minutes it takes click the link and follow it to my blog. That is the only thing I ask for all the time I freely give to this.
Quite frankly, we as the members of the XDA community need to reevaluate things. The developers DONATE their time (and some have precious little of it) and energy to HELP all of you... This whole "entitled" attitude and the "God complexes" some people have developed is a bit disturbing. I won't speak for anyone but myself but in my opinion, the sheer amount of time that goes into these releases completely eclipses the few minutes it takes to redirect to another site for a link (again as long as it doesn't violate the rules). Instead of complaining about EVERYTHING be GRATEFUL your not stuck on a stock ROM....
Many people can't even be bothered to click the Thanks button or read the directions.. I personally like helping you all out if my limited knowledge can be useful but I'm starting to become to frustrated to care anymore and I do really try to stay positive. All of this drama revolves around a phone....a phone people. There are WAY bigger things going on around you right now to get this worked up about a phone..... If you need some perspective on life please feel free to read my blog.
We can do better... I know we are all capable of better... When crap threads get started don't dignify them by commenting, just move past it. Report it if you want and more on... We should all take some pride in all the accomplishments this community achieved.
For my part, I will continue to help, learn and contribute to this community while spreading Autism Awareness..... What will you do?

Amen brother!

Gotta agree with you 100%. I came from another forum and a WinMo phone, and the community was much more supportive and friendly. The only reason I stay is because of a few excellent developers here. Not sure why XDA is getting so unpleasant, but we could use a little more tolerance here.
(Hope that doesn't get me banned)

Well said. Its all free why complain. I am not a developer but I have tried every rom on here and it seems to me most of the roms have a little bit of work from all the devs......so why the bickering. I also have to imagine most devs do this as kind of a hobby, why else do it there is almost nothing to be gained other than the challenge of improving on something that a manufacturer didn't get quite right (not baashing sammy every phone has its own issues or xda probably wouldn't be so popular).
That being said I just started using midnight, nice rom man. But besides that I started reading your blog about a month ago, it really makes me step back and take a look at things differently. I don't post much on this site cuz I have little to actually contribute but your right there are bigger things than a rom to get worked up over.
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I think you and all the devs do an awesome job personally. Honestly any problem I've ever had has been solved just by searching for literally less then 5 minutes. I hardly need to ask questions because the devs and testers are so quick to answer any question. I absolutely LOVE how my phone runs and works.
Any negative threads I just...ignore. No point in them really.
So ya THANKS to you and all the devs.

I know when i was on my tp2 and flashing roms even tho how much a pos that phone was compared to this amazing phone we have now and the awesome roms we have
i have been happy and not complaining about anything on my epic.
If people dont like samsung then go buy something else i personally been fed up with htc hardware..
As for redirecting to sites, i have no problem doing that a all and i like reading your blog @ptfdmedic i always goto your site if im looking for a flashable zip or news, even tho i dont use your rom
i appreciate all your hard work and your autism awareness.
This community is for people who want to experiment with your phone and make it better, so if you happen to have an issue dont complain instead search read instructions and dont be lazy and ***** at samsung software glitches and what not considering our amazing developers here usually have some fixes within a few hours of the bug report.
AMAZING
Thanks to all the developers
For making my epic truly epic and better then any phone out atm.

Agreed!!
As for me not much i can do but give sexual favors....

The issues described reflect a larger societal issue. We cannot change people, so the best tools are forum moderators and users setting a good example.

iSaint said:
As for me not much i can do but give sexual favors....
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u say this after you take your so called "Toothpaste" ad out of your signature. lmao

I agree with you pftmedic. Thanks for that speech. I hope.more.people will read it and realize what you said. Why get worked up cause you have to.make 2 extra clicks to download a rom for FREE!! I also wanted to say that I.love reading your blogs Rob and my prayers are with you and your family. I really enjoyed the story about the man at the grocery store. That was very touching and you had me emotional. I know your goal is to try to get autism awareness out there so people can understand it. I don't know anyone that has autism so I never really knew about it. I just wanted to let u know that you opened up my eyes to autism and I.live reading your stories. Thanks for being such an inspiration to us when we are feeling overwhelmed with something. I will continue to pray for you and your family and God bless your little angels.
Sent From My Evo Killer!

iSaint said:
Agreed!!
As for me not much i can do but give sexual favors....
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...comedic relief.....

Perhaps sometimes people need a place to vent and work out their stress. I know, do it elsewhere, not here......

Thank you for saying what a lot of us have been thinking.

Its always been this unpleasant with the exception of a few brief periods.. Its just the nature of the Epic community.

stir fry a lot said:
Its always been this unpleasant with the exception of a few brief periods.. Its just the nature of the Epic community.
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I agree but that doesn't mean we have to continue making the same mistakes.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. So if we want better then we need to change things up a bit.

ptfdmedic said:
I agree but that doesn't mean we have to continue making the same mistakes.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. So if we want better then we need to change things up a bit.
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Well said my friend
Sent From My Epic Bonsai Tree

Thanks, it is appreciated. I agree with the complaints thing. It's part of the reason I don't post too often. Except to thank.

Yea i was "joking"

Keepin it Constructive
Thanks buddy - well said! Hope this connects with the right folks.

Well said ptfdmedic, I agree that there are many people who feel entitled here. Maybe I come across that way without feeling like I do but I try my best not to. I don't hit the thanks button much but I am fairly new here and I am not used to it. As for redirecting to your site, I actually like being redirected there, I read 50 pages of your blog the other night and it was eyeopening. My father works in special-ed and the kids he works with are at Eliot's level, it was interesting to read just how further the continuum goes.

ATRIX forum turning me off

I check all over this forum for all known kinds of phones and used to be very active over in the captivate forums. And theres one difference here a lot of you guys are just rude. Its kind of making me not even want to be a part of xda anymore. Its like most of you are just here to be douchebags.
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I have to agree with you...it does appear that some people here a lot less cordial than over at the Captivate forum...if it wasn't for my 1006 with the terrible GPS I probably would have kept it and waited for the Attain.
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We are so roods! Let's come to a forum and troll a bunch of people trying to recover from bricks
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Hydro360 said:
I check all over this forum for all known kinds of phones and used to be very active over in the captivate forums. And theres one difference here a lot of you guys are just rude. Its kind of making me not even want to be a part of xda anymore. Its like most of you are just here to be douchebags.
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I agree... people are attacking devs and making false accusations saying that they are full of **** just because they haven't released anything yet or that it dosent work right out of the gate. Maybe once everyone calms down and decides to be a bit patient then maybe people will be able to get some work done instead if dealing with all the whiners. I feel bad for all the devs for having to put up with it all.

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...which.. forum turns you on? ;D
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i agree, the atrix forum is filled with a bunch of kids. the captivate forum was way better =/

coming from a background of development and being involved with computers from young age and doing actual work I can easily assume that most people that have atrix are people that have decided to pay $$ for a good phone. Most of these people do not have background of normal programmers so it is understandable that they cannot comprehend how much effort goes into writing each line of code and making sure each line of code works flawlessly with the rest of the code.
I would simply suggest that if people were more patient and let people with more experience to TEST all new releases for bugs before doing it themselves we would have a much better atrix forum

xredjokerx said:
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...which.. forum turns you on? ;D
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i agree, the atrix forum is filled with a bunch of kids. the captivate forum was way better =/
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I'd say most came from that area. Unfortunately, it spoiled some people due to the success devs had with that phone. Now that we're unlocked, hopefully we can get away from those dark days

Nothing of this happen if devs say something "i will release xxx on next xxx weeks", even if its a lie, or maybe "i'll not release this, period". Simple.
Forum is a community like a city, do you imagine live on a city where the govern doesn't say nothing and make what they want? Revolution like is happening on some afrika countries.
Bad compare, but true. No one is obliged to do something, but when you say in public that you are developing, you have commited to do, so people wait some ETA, status of developing etc...
I was developing some app for students around the world, but when my atrix got bricked i loose the will to do, but i had not promised to anyone or advertise to anyone.

LMAO
This forum really did turn into a flamefest in the last month or two. I've never seen a sub forum full of so much hate!!

bongd said:
LMAO
This forum really did turn into a flamefest in the last month or two. I've never seen a sub forum full of so much hate!!
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And everyone will loose, community will enter in a war, and motorola and others manufactures will win the right of control our lifes.

Long time lurker
As a long time lurker i have to agree, people seem to forget that people here are donating their time and skill free of charge. Some times things don't go to plan other times real life gets in the way.
The devs here deserve our support and respect. I joined just after I got my HD2 and the number of times i have been rescued from bricking my phone is beyond count. I love this forum, at the moment the atrix forum does remind me of chat avenue, any one remember that site?

i think its much nicer coming from the x10 forum o.o

Hydro360 said:
I check all over this forum for all known kinds of phones and used to be very active over in the captivate forums. And theres one difference here a lot of you guys are just rude. Its kind of making me not even want to be a part of xda anymore. Its like most of you are just here to be douchebags.
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OP I couldn't agree with you more.
We have a couple of known users here that think they are above the "XDA Community". This doesn't help when new users sign onto XDA, and think this type of behavior is the norm.
I understand that rookie mistakes can be frustrating, but were supposed to help and not put down others around here.
For anybody that started XDA before the Atrix, it's easy to tell how sour this place can get at times.
Hopefully more people stand up, and help clean up some of that "stuff" around here...

I need to agree =/.....
but I think with unlock bootloader more serious people come where to play with atrix, I will not leave xda, I'm here since 2007 soo xD
I've been pass good moments here .....found good and exelente solutions, have a few problemes with some crazy users.....eheh

Hi,
I see the odd snarky remark from the un-socialized, but what is dragging the forums down these days is short attention span and laziness. Resurrected threads, multiple topics on the same thing. It's endless.
Cheers!

devbro said:
coming from a background of development and being involved with computers from young age and doing actual work I can easily assume that most people that have atrix are people that have decided to pay $$ for a good phone. Most of these people do not have background of normal programmers so it is understandable that they cannot comprehend how much effort goes into writing each line of code and making sure each line of code works flawlessly with the rest of the code.
I would simply suggest that if people were more patient and let people with more experience to TEST all new releases for bugs before doing it themselves we would have a much better atrix forum
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lol this is exactly why I didn't hop on the latest roms and mods yet (except for Pudding, which I "ate" right away!)
As a rule of thumb, I am never an early adopter.

xepter said:
i think its much nicer coming from the x10 forum o.o
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This is my first android phone, and first reason to come to xda. This does seem related to restlessness of not being able to mod the phone the way other phones can be. Now that the bootloader unlock is out of the bag, I was figuring I would see less hostile members, and perhaps this will be the case when there isn't an inferiority complex about being behind other phones in development ability, i.e. CM7 with overclocked kernel combination is available and stable.
Everyone could use a j and some Bob Marley.

devbro said:
coming from a background of development and being involved with computers from young age and doing actual work I can easily assume that most people that have atrix are people that have decided to pay $$ for a good phone. Most of these people do not have background of normal programmers so it is understandable that they cannot comprehend how much effort goes into writing each line of code and making sure each line of code works flawlessly with the rest of the code.
I would simply suggest that if people were more patient and let people with more experience to TEST all new releases for bugs before doing it themselves we would have a much better atrix forum
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If "anyone" doesn't have the funds for a replacement, IMHO it's best not to test the "deep end" of the swimming pool.
Let "multiple people" confirm things first, or play it safe with "Official OTAs"...
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The Atrix forums are the worse out of the ones i've spent time in (captivate, focus, inspire and Atrix). Never have I seen so much *****ing, fighting and crying over every little thing. But im here to stay either way
Sent via the power of a unicorn's horn.

The Atrix forums was the first one I've seen on XDA, the Atrix being my first device. I didnt really think much of it, since I've seen worse forums before. But once I got a nook color and saw how peaceful that section was in comparison, I've been kinda thinking the same thing.
Many people here need to realize the value of patience, the meaning of donations, the effort of actual developers and the responsibility involved in flashing untested code. And the search button.

Thanks Mods for deleting the SPAM!!

I've noticed in times of late, one particular user has not only spammed the forum with virtually every post they make, but they have resorted to creating spamming threads entirely. I honestly don't care what the issue is; it could be anything from gay marriage, breast cancer, diabetes, Alzheimers, etc.... I do not come to the forum to hear about anything other than Android development, particularly for the Samsung Epic. I don't care to have anything else injected in to the discussion, regardless of how passionate a contributor is about an issue, it DOES NOT BELONG ON HERE.
There are thousands, if not millions of valid causes that could be discussed by any one of us, but thankfully every other person that posts on the forum respects the fact that just because it's a good cause, one that hits particularly close to home, STILL DOES NOT MAKE IT OKAY TO SPAM EVERYONE ELSE ABOUT IT.
If you want to put a line in your sig about curing your down syndrome, that's fine by me. Sigs can be disabled. However, injecting spam into your post, or making an entire thread about your spam is clearly crossing the line. Now, if your Epic contracts an STD, or cancer, or in some way causes it, that's a different story. Otherwise, go join a forum that is purpose built for such topics, or keep it to facebook, where your actual friends reside. Contributing to the Epic community, or actively using information found here, doesn't make us all friends. You're not able to come to my house and sleep on the couch, you cannot borrow my car, no I will not loan you money, and no, I honestly don't want to hear about your personal issues, or discuss them with you.
So thank you moderators out there who already understand all of this. I, and just about every other member out there thanks you for keeping the forum about the Android devices, even if at times it's about dueling cores.
And to the members who report the spam posts, thank you.

Truth, bro. I had almost lost faith in the mods here. Thanks guys
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What does this post have to do with the epic? Sounds like you are supporting a cause. You should keep that to a line in your sig, since those can be turned off.
I would rather read a million extra lines having to do with autism or supporting a family down on their luck than worthless flame bait crap like this. Grow up. There are maybe five threads a day posted here, it takes you five seconds to open one and close it. Get over yourself before all the people actually adding something to the community leave.
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What does this post have to do with the epic? Sounds like you are supporting a cause. You should keep that to a line in your sig, since those can be turned off.
I would rather read a million extra lines having to do with autism or supporting a family down on their luck than worthless flame bait crap like this. Grow up. There are maybe five threads a day posted here, it takes you five seconds to open one and close it. Get over yourself before all the people actually adding something to the community leave.
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I should google plus 1 this. I think he has something against rob who does midnight rom. I know he has a thread about autism and how we can donate phones to a project to help kids were android helpa them communicate.
Also if you don't like a thread topic then don't read it unless u are like a deer looking into headlights.
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How can you talk about contributing to the Epic community when mods are banning the actually contributors for your/others opinion.
And the so-called spammer you're talking of actually contributes to the Epic community, since he's helped us, why can't we help him with a positive cause? However if you think the spam isn't epic related, you don't know what Android Autism Awareness has done. Many who follows Randy's blog know where it has AAA started, right here in the Epic forums. Bringing followers over from the blog gaining XDA traffic which they need to make money. If it wasn't for Randy support not only making Roms, but keeping these forums as a community while dealing with his own issues this forum would be worst than it is now.
Now we lost Ecooce because a mistake a mod made which was
outright ridiculous claim she made if only she would have read and comprehended what was being said none of this would not have happened.
*shrugs*but I guess what I believe in or any other positive Epic user believes in doesn't matters because it doesn't comply with XDA rules.
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It doesn't matter who agrees with the SPAM, and I don't know who Rob is. What I do know, as do others, that the SPAM has gone overboard, and just recently it's begun to be cleaned up. And I thank the mod team for doing such. The issue was left unchecked previously, and it began to grow. The board isn't tit-for-tat, and just because you contribute, you're not entitled to use any spot you want to post that crap.
Nothing is preventing you from sending PMs, or Emails, or joining a chat server. Openly posting as the violator/s have done is against the rules, and it doesn't belong here. Not sure how many different ways someone needs to hear that it doesn't belong here before their hamster wakes up and starts spinning the little wheel upstairs and it dawns on them....."Perhaps THE Android development forum isn't the place to post my personal business after all".
I for one find it more helpful to support our troops over seas with phone donations and such. It's real, tangible support that has clear results. It's also what allows us the freedoms to sit here and disagree. I don't have to continually throw stuff like that in people's faces all the time though. There are million plus worthy causes out there to support, probably none of which aren't readily known, but it's each of our own decisions to support them, and NONE of us have the right over any other to continually push and annoy members of the forums with the one issue we find closest to our hearts. You do not further a cause by disrespecting anyone in its name. Grow up violators......you know who you are.

I'm glad you feel you contributed. Unfortunately, you're a failure. ecooce actually contributed roms, tech support, and leaked info to this community. You've done nothing but add flamebait. Congratulations.
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If you think SPAM is bad. Imagine reading about how others don't like SPAM. That's even listen less on topic dude.
Nigel Powers comes to mind "There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch".

abhaxus said:
I'm glad you feel you contributed. Unfortunately, you're a failure. ecooce actually contributed roms, tech support, and leaked info to this community. You've done nothing but add flamebait. Congratulations.
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Again there is nothing in the rules that state violations are okay as long as you contribute X or Y or Z. Contributing doesn't make you an owner, and it certainly doesn't make spam any more credible or worthwhile. This board isn't a free for all. People need to respect the other members of the forum and stop injecting the spam around every corner.

@NoSoMo
Do you have personal agenda that need to be accomplished or just generally have something against those you speak of.
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I'm going to start a thread about how I don't come here to listen to people complain about how people spam. Then someone else can start a thread about how they are sick of threads of people complaining, then we can fully complete the chicken and egg scenario.

Thank you!! Having all the garbage across the board is one of the big reasons why some of the devs left. Its the Epic forums....to talk about the Epic!!! Go to the chit chat boards to talk about other stuff.

I don't come here to listen to people complain about spam.
Just saying.
- Ron

masaidjet said:
How can you talk about contributing to the Epic community when mods are banning the actually contributors for your/others opinion.
And the so-called spammer you're talking of actually contributes to the Epic community, since he's helped us, why can't we help him with a positive cause? However if you think the spam isn't epic related, you don't know what Android Autism Awareness has done. Many who follows Randy's blog know where it has AAA started, right here in the Epic forums. Bringing followers over from the blog gaining XDA traffic which they need to make money. If it wasn't for Randy support not only making Roms, but keeping these forums as a community while dealing with his own issues this forum would be worst than it is now.
Now we lost Ecooce because a mistake a mod made which was
outright ridiculous claim she made if only she would have read and comprehended what was being said none of this would not have happened.
*shrugs*but I guess what I believe in or any other positive Epic user believes in doesn't matters because it doesn't comply with XDA rules.
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I don't think the op understands
community, its just a "forum" to him. Maybe he's a robot?? I feel sad for him.

WHO? WHO DOESNT WANT TO WEAR THE RIBBON?
btw, im with the op.

I'd rather contribute to a good cause than just take up space.
Just saying.

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I'd rather contribute to a good cause than just take up space.
Just saying.
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hahahahahaha

Now we lost Ecooce because a mistake a mod made which was
outright ridiculous claim she made if only she would have read and comprehended what was being said none of this would not have happened.
Wait wtf did i miss ecooce is gone ...............somebody tell me or pm this some bull****
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Yes this thread is a complete contradiction to itself.

I have agreed with this op for a very long time. I just kept my mouth shut. I don't come to this forum for anything other than regarding my epic. It is bs that people are trying to bring awareness upon their own personal agendas what ever that might be that's what facebook is for. So stop exploiting this phone forum with whatever disease or self pity stories or your other sites. Truth be told this is why I HAVE NEVER FLASHED A MIDNIGHT ROM AND NEVER WILL.

Thank you mods

Thank you mods. According to JT now he no longer be contributing to this site due to your ****ty job. We lost one if the best developers.
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Where is he going
Tap-a-Talked from my Mesmerize
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Where did you hear that? If it's true, then that's pretty depressing. I hope he changes his mind eventually.

I don't blame him for leaving. But it does kinda suck.
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He'll continue to update @rootzwiki

I figured he would. That's gonna be the place to go if things don't change around here. He isn't the first to go and I say he won't be the last either.
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Yes, the mods should work to clean up some of the asinine and obnoxious posts on here, such as this thread's OP. Too bad adults have to be monitored like children

johnnyplaid said:
Yes, the mods should work to clean up some of the asinine and obnoxious posts on here, such as this thread's OP. Too bad adults have to be monitored like children
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Zinger. Just reporting what I saw on twitter. Back to your moms basement
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I don't get what the whole drama is about. I saw adrynalyn's letter although it really didn't explain what exactly happened at xda and why he was banned and why other developers are leaving too. It seems like there is a massive exodus of developers but I really don't know why or what happened. There is drama here definitely but not much more than I've seen at other forums although xda has gotten huge. Oh, well... I really don't care what forum I go to. I don't get too involved.
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Damn. Didnt know Adrynalyn had got banned. That's pretty messed up. As for the exodus I have noticed it too. There almost no development going on in the Mesmerize development section. All of them have went to Rootzwiki. I haven't even seen them post in other threads or anything. So whatever has happened its enough to piss them all off. I wouldn't mind knowing what happened myself but oh well. Maybe I don't need too.
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What exactly are you talking about? What lack of moderation have you seen? Maybe instead of posting a complaint thread you could actually bring something to my attention and it can get dealt with. I moderate 3 forums here at XDA and don't see EVERYTHING. Seriously, we have a report post button for a reason...

ashasaur said:
What exactly are you talking about? What lack of moderation have you seen? Maybe instead of posting a complaint thread you could actually bring something to my attention and it can get dealt with. I moderate 3 forums here at XDA and don't see EVERYTHING. Seriously, we have a report post button for a reason...
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first, I like how you cleaned this place up from what it was, and I have not seen anything singling you out. I follow a lot of devs on twitter.. And from what I gather, most of the frustration and animosity from the devs is toward the community itself. And what is toward the mods, it seems more the lack of numbers. another thing that I think bugs the devs is xda's add revenue not being put toward the community or t.the devs enough.. What it boils down to is
The feeling of appreciation, they all do this expecting nothing. So your gonna be on thin ice from the get go.. Devs don't need XDA at all, not 1 bit.. But you do need them. Xda needs to kiss the devs asses and make them feel like royalty, weather you like it or not, that's the only thing that will keep the devs here
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neh4pres said:
first, I like how you cleaned this place up from what it was, and I have not seen anything singling you out. I follow a lot of devs on twitter.. And from what I gather, most of the frustration and animosity from the devs is toward the community itself. And what is toward the mods, it seems more the lack of numbers. another thing that I think bugs the devs is xda's add revenue not being put toward the community or t.the devs enough.. What it boils down to is
The feeling of appreciation, they all do this expecting nothing. So your gonna be on thin ice from the get go.. Devs don't need XDA at all, not 1 bit.. But you do need them. Xda needs to kiss the devs asses and make them feel like royalty, weather you like it or not, that's the only thing that will keep the devs here
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No, it wont. These forums are very poorly moderated, I think the mods expect too much from people as far as reporting goes. Threads are made in the wrong section all of the time and dont get moved for days sometimes a week+ Some threads need to be cleaned of non contributing, repetitive crap. The list is longer than I care to sit here and type out. In the end, the lack of moderation and the bickering/immaturity that stems from every side of the table is going to do this forum in. It's not the first time and it wont be the last time. This site got too popular and too many people that have no desire to learn come here expecting to be spoon fed information. Anyways, it's sad to see that it had to come to this. Personally I think whatever action is taken might just be too late unless someone proactively tried to mend the situation from all angles.

I'd like to thanks the mods for their service to the community. You guys don't get paid to do this stuff, so we appreciate it. As for the developers, it's obvious that we all should have the utmost respect and thankfulness for all of them, as they contribute to the functionality and usability of our phones and expect nothing in return. The only thing that really, really hacks me is when people expect nice little packages to be delivered to their phone, (bug-free) and become downright donkey holes when they are asked to learn something themselves. XDA is a learning and collaboration portal, and those who demand something for nothing immediately give the lot of us a bad name. Keep up the good work mods and devs.

Thanks bro. Much appreciated. We DON'T get paid to do this, we are all here on a volunteer basis.
People have forgotten what XDA is truly about...DEVELOPMENT and COLLABORATION between users who want to get the most out of their devices, not a place to come and make your phone 1337.
But alas, all this will turn into is a flame war, so hey, hers some moderation since I apparently don't do my job. /s
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Xda turning dictatorship

This thread is most likley going to be closed in true china style.
But i still gonna try explaining my opinion on the way xda has developed lately.
The attitude from some of the devs is soo out of line,that on anyother site they would be getting atleast warnings.And the mods keeps licking the "emperors" butts.Im asking for some mods with some balls to step in and put down the foot.i have seen one of our most famous dev turning from a gentle and really tolerant person to a diva with some seriously bad attitude against members.even though i can understand that it can be quite annoying answering same stupid questions over and over again,theres no need in turning into an "as$hole".
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Go spend 100+ hours developing, hacking, and reverse engineering FOR NO MONEY and then post it here and have people that don't even bother to read a few pages complain about your attitude.
Get real dude, they get annoyed with stupid questions by lazy/new users in their development threads. Remember, XDA is a forum dedicated to DEVELOPMENT of open source projects. Users shouldent expect support from developers and devs should never be obliged to provide it unless users are paying money for the product.
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ive been a member for some time
after signing up
i saw the XDA "video" which tough me stuff on proper "etiquette"
then i read the forum rules
after following these rules i have never had a problem with the people or the devs
if u don't follow the rules you should only blame your self
its free your not paying for it you should at least have some common courtesy
good day sir

If you're talking about codeworkx, in my opinion he isn't a bad guy at all. Despite the fact that he spends hours and hours developing and people pay no attention to big bold letters, ask the same ****ing questions, don't read, have no initiative, and constantly whine, he STILL RESPONDS to people regularly. Go ahead, say I'm ass kissing I don't care. Doesn't deserve the **** he gets.

I kinda agree with OP a little bit on some dev's attitude, but it's not that bad, and I also understand them. Yes, they may have a bit more "freedom" on the forum, but considering the amount of their contribution, I think it's totally justified.

There's a simple solution to this. Read. Then read some more. Then read a bit more still. If you still can't find what you're looking for, ask questions. But make sure you provide a bit of background to the question you're asking. Show you've made some sort of effort (most important) to learn/find the answer to your question on your own.
I have never seen a dev or an experienced member bag out/abuse a n00b when these simple steps have been followed. I have seen other newer members do so tho.
If anyone on this site isn't prepared to follow the steps in my first paragraph, they deserve whatever happens as a result of any posts made not following these steps IMHO. And frankly, they don't belong on a site like this & should stick to stock.
As several people have already pointed out in this thread (and others), devs owe XDA members absolutely nothing we should be eternally grateful that they do what they do and they provide fantastic roms/kernels/apps & themes either completely free of charge or for completely insignificant amounts of money (in the case of apps, or if you choose to donate to a dev).

Devs are also humans, if people piss them off repeatedly with dumb and already answered questions without reading, they have the right to react!!

My 2 cents...
While I appreciate the time and effort the devs put, the arrogance some have is uncalled for. They act like they are God's sent Prophets, the only ones gifted with the power of modifying the code of the forbidden. Asking for appreciation and credit (which is well deserved) is one thing, riding the high horse and pissing on the rest is another.

Op hasnt replied... wwll thats what u call attention seeking lol. I agree with everyones comments . On a lighter note... have a happy new year
looks like an iphone but powered by android baby!!!!

i prefer not to get involved in these type of threads
but to be frank am surprised that the devs haven't stopped developing yet........
it's not the quality of xda-dev's that have gone down over time,
for me its the non-dev community thats going downhill.
i myself fall in the non-dev category but sad to say in certain cases i have actually seen 5-10 post-old users bad-mouthing and criticizing devs who have given their time, knowledge and efforts to the community over the years and asked nothing in return except for voluntary donations.
xda isn't turning into a dictatorship its just democracy gone bad.

I can't tell if most of you are really stupid/young or English is a second language for 75% of XDA. Sometimes its so damn hard to just read and understand some users comments. Does no one use a browser with integrated English spell correction?
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ruskprick said:
This thread is most likley going to be closed in true china style.
But i still gonna try explaining my opinion on the way xda has developed lately.
The attitude from some of the devs is soo out of line,that on anyother site they would be getting atleast warnings.And the mods keeps licking the "emperors" butts.Im asking for some mods with some balls to step in and put down the foot.i have seen one of our most famous dev turning from a gentle and really tolerant person to a diva with some seriously bad attitude against members.even though i can understand that it can be quite annoying answering same stupid questions over and over again,theres no need in turning into an "as$hole".
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What?! Don't be so stupid! The devs here don't work for you or xda. What makes you think that they should provide you with 24h support on their work for free?
I'm guessing your just a kid by the attitude.

Maybe developers will start being nicer when the users start behaving less like animals and more like human beings.

This has all been said before and I am sure will again, "users" have to remember this is a free service, you can make no demands of it or complain when things done quite go you way, XDA is not a democracy it is a dictatorship.
I am afraid we are doing to have to live with this, for me, the benefits far far out way those issues highlighted by the OP.
Solution: - Just rise above the crap, ignore it, none of it really matters. Take what help you need from the forums but also try to give back as much as you can, you wont go far wrong.

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What?! Don't be so stupid!
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What?! Learn to read!
What makes you think that they should provide you with 24h support on their work for free?
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Where does he say that? Please supply a quote instead of accusing him without any valid reason.
I'm guessing your just a kid by the attitude.
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Sure. And your reply is very mature I guess? He expresses his feelings, in a rather normal fashion. But no, immediately the fanboy-crowd jumps on it. Well, point proven I guess. Every forum is filled with ignorant n00bs.

The dumb questions being repeated , is way more annoying and problematic in these threads.
I'd also have to say if a talented Dev is a little bit of a prima donna , then good luck to them. It makes got a great read as well.
As for the earlier comment about bad English spelling, i'm sure a small part of that is due to Swype

I have a huge amount of experience in Android and xda dev history, I even made two roms for the hd2.
I got a new sgs2 two days ago, common sense dictates I do not flash anything of here until I have done all my research. I know about the flash counter and the usb jig. I know about the efs partition aswell, and how to backup and restore it.
Two days of light reading and some research is all it takes, and you won't be asking stupid questions or making mistakes and screaming for help like some poor noobs do.
It's that easy. RTFM and Backup Backup Backup.
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attention ho is back!
Im at work,so aint following the tread all the time.But to answer some of your questions,im not demanding anything from the devs.Dont think majority of us do,but then there is people that do,and i can understand it becomes annoying for the devs at times.But why not just ignore those,instead of spreading bad attitude replyes?Is that to much to ask for?Some of you thinks that the Devs are godsendt and we should stand on our knees to not piss them of so they dont produce anymore roms for our beloved phones.Maybe im abit to harsh on the devs,but there are millions of threads and replys complaining and flaming the n00bs,no need for another is there?
Lighten up guys!Keep XDA a forum that you enjoy.
AND kudos to all devs for their hard work,i mean no harm !

have to agree with OP

jetpackjeff said:
I can't tell if most of you are really stupid/young or English is a second language for 75% of XDA. Sometimes its so damn hard to just read and understand some users comments. Does no one use a browser with integrated English spell correction?
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Your main language is English i guess.Mine is Swedish,i cant write and speak,not 100% fluid but i can make my self understood in 4 diffrent languages.How many do you speak?