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[Q] Confused about a certain "developer"

Ok, I am confused. I am new to the whole Acer Iconia A500 and such and so far, I am happy with my refurbished purchase having installed Taboonay 2.2. However, I keep seeing this name of Thor around the forums here and having this individual bashed for things. I have some questions...
1. Why is his releases not allowed to be linked to XDA?
2. Why is it that I see in posts and comments that his ROM is considered Warez? or better yet, what makes his ROM to be considered Warez?
If those can be answered, I should have a better understanding about this fellow.
ThanX in advance!

There are a bunch of threads about this. Do a little research and u could find an explanation better than I can give u.
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XaviorPenguin said:
Ok, I am confused. I am new to the whole Acer Iconia A500 and such and so far, I am happy with my refurbished purchase having installed Taboonay 2.2. However, I keep seeing this name of Thor around the forums here and having this individual bashed for things. I have some questions...
1. Why is his releases not allowed to be linked to XDA?
2. Why is it that I see in posts and comments that his ROM is considered Warez? or better yet, what makes his ROM to be considered Warez?
If those can be answered, I should have a better understanding about this fellow.
ThanX in advance!
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Short story is he's in direct violation of the GPL (he refuses to publish his source code for his kernel).
If you've got nothing to hide, then why bother hiding it?!?

I'm running his rom and it is the best rom I have used! But everyone has a right to their opinion. Also has anyone kindly asked him to? Or why he won't? Anyways, I still like his work.
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gmfeny said:
There are a bunch of threads about this. Do a little research and u could find an explanation better than I can give u.
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I would rather be flamed with the links, if you are going to comment.
I searched and even asked a mod. I am glad OP posted this one. Now I know.
I have been running Thor's ROM and Kernal and have had ZERO count them ZERO issues. Everything runs smooth. Battery life is awesome. no complaints and as far as I can tell, I have no need to update. Maybe if ICS comes but this is pretty damn perfect.

It's a pretty simple matter from what I understand.
Everything on XDA must be GPL. This means you must share the source code for all of the work that you do. This makes sense because your constantly building on others efforts, and should give credit where it is do. Also being built on linux means the very foundations of android are GPL.
In this case, Thor did not publish the source code to his kernel. For that reason, it (and his roms which use it) cannot be put on XDA.
It's considered 'warez' because he is breaking the license agreement of the kernel (the GPL). Any software which violates a license agreement is illegal, and thus, warez.
Why he did not give the source for his kernel, I do not know. It is not, however, an issue of whether his software performs well or not. For this reason, many choose to run his roms anyways.

The interesting thing is, cwm uses thor's kernel and they haven't banned it since we have no alternative at this time. I did see someone in the development section is working on a gpl compliant recovery. The nice thing is, it is very easy to visit thor's site and download what you need.

>DARKMAN< said:
I'm running his rom and it is the best rom I have used! But everyone has a right to their opinion. Also has anyone kindly asked him to? Or why he won't? Anyways, I still like his work.
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Turboboxer said:
I would rather be flamed with the links, if you are going to comment.
I searched and even asked a mod. I am glad OP posted this one. Now I know.
I have been running Thor's ROM and Kernal and have had ZERO count them ZERO issues. Everything runs smooth. Battery life is awesome. no complaints and as far as I can tell, I have no need to update. Maybe if ICS comes but this is pretty damn perfect.
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No one has said he does bad work.
Do you know what information your OS is sending out, possibly to Thor himself?
Quick answer....h3ll no!
Why? Because he refuses to release his source code which is in direct violation of the GPL which everyone else (at least here at XDA does).
And that's the only reason I won't allow his work to touch my tab.
The alternate CWM posted in the dev section is good enough to flash with, which is all I need (never do backups), so at least I know what my ROM is doing, and I KNOW you both CAN'T say the same about your tabs. Not flaming, just pointing out something most people aren't aware of.

Icy Faux FTW!
I liked Thor's ROM but why load a ROM with parts not working? Both auto brightness and hardware screen lock don't work. When other ROMs have it working and seem to run just as well (again, Honeylicious FTW), why bother with it? I do, however, run his Kernel.
My 2 cents....

kjy2010 said:
No one has said he does bad work.
Do you know what information your OS is sending out, possibly to Thor himself?
Quick answer....h3ll no!
Why? Because he refuses to release his source code which is in direct violation of the GPL which everyone else (at least here at XDA does).
And that's the only reason I won't allow his work to touch my tab.
The alternate CWM posted in the dev section is good enough to flash with, which is all I need (never do backups), so at least I know what my ROM is doing, and I KNOW you both CAN'T say the same about your tabs. Not flaming, just pointing out something most people aren't aware of.
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Paranoid much?
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Paranoid much?
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If you've got nothing to hide, why hide it j/o?

dman918 said:
Icy Faux FTW!
I liked Thor's ROM but why load a ROM with parts not working? Both auto brightness and hardware screen lock don't work. When other ROMs have it working and seem to run just as well (again, Honeylicious FTW), why bother with it? I do, however, run his Kernel.
My 2 cents....
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I gave up those useless features for hide status bar and Thor parts add ons. Not a fan of Honeylicious, no offense kjy.
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Rock on! Glad to know exactly why. I did do some research and tried to find a definite answer but couldn't find an exact one as bluntly as my questions were.
So, to all who answered my questions, THANK YOU! I appreciate it.
Mad props to all of y'all for definitely being smarter than I.

mswirski said:
Everything on XDA must be GPL. This means you must share the source code for all of the work that you do. This makes sense because your constantly building on others efforts, and should give credit where it is do. Also being built on linux means the very foundations of android are GPL.
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This part is not completely true.
Only code that is licensed under the GPL, such as kernel code, must be shared. Code from other licenses like Apache (which covers the userspace of Android), are not required to be shared and so don't have to be.
So basically, Thor doesn't have to release source for his ROM's, but he DOES for his kernel. He's been asked to several times but flatly refuses and the only reason ever give is that people steal his work, which is nonesense as it's not his work to start with.

Reading this thread is making me paranoid.
I have installed several different ROMs on my new A500. I keep going back to Thor's 14.2 ROM. For what I want out of my tablet, it is my favorite. He does great work.
Any reason to think Thor is trustworthy or untrustworthy? I am considering abandoning the Thor 14.2 ROM because blatantly violating the GPL agreement just isn't cool and having concerns about what he may or may not be doing in the background kinda sucks.

There is no real reason to suspect Thor is doing anything untoward in his ROM. It's possible he is, but it's equally possible he isn't. The main objection is the blatant disregard he shows to the thousands of developers who's work he is stealing.

FloatingFatMan said:
The main objection is the blatant disregard he shows to the thousands of developers whose work he is stealing.
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No, sorry, I have nothing better to contribute right now, I just thought Floatie needs some attention.
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Any reason to think Thor is trustworthy or untrustworthy?
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Well, ignoring GPL license and just ripping off the work of others does show some questionable personality traits, but other than that I don't see any reason to suspect he'd actually be spying on people. Of course, there's no saying he won't start doing it sometime in the future if he's offered enough "incentive" to do so.

blancocar said:
Reading this thread is making me paranoid.
I have installed several different ROMs on my new A500. I keep going back to Thor's 14.2 ROM. For what I want out of my tablet, it is my favorite. He does great work.
Any reason to think Thor is trustworthy or untrustworthy? I am considering abandoning the Thor 14.2 ROM because blatantly violating the GPL agreement just isn't cool and having concerns about what he may or may not be doing in the background kinda sucks.
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The problem is that without him publishing his source code, you'll never know what he's doing.
Not saying he is, or isn't doing anything in the background. Thanks to the GPL most of the major phone carriers were caught using Carrier IQ (Google that if you'd like a real scare), and without Thor's source code, you'll never know without him publishing his source.
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No, sorry, I have nothing better to contribute right now, I just thought Floatie needs some attention.
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Well, ignoring GPL license and just ripping off the work of others does show some questionable personality traits, but other than that I don't see any reason to suspect he'd actually be spying on people. Of course, there's no saying he won't start doing it sometime in the future if he's offered enough "incentive" to do so.
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+999,999,999

Floatie.. HOW CUTE
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You gotta love xda...
he is not the only cutie on here . Just saying..
I think thor is only hiding the fact that the work is not really his... But feels Bigger then others .. so he hides ... but who knows for sure..

I do know that devs come up with some awesome feature to put in their roms, this happened on the sgs2 forum with the Rarity rom. The dev shared his idea and the next thing was 1 or 2 new roms incorporating what he wanted to do but hadn't finished yet.
I know this is done in the spirit of sharing and to benefit the community but when things you are working hard to do are essentially copied and take away your moment of triumph, the fact you can say "I did this first", then it does get frustrating.... We lost a kickass dev over that...
Thor maybe up to no good or he may have a few things he wants to improve on before releasing to the community, only time will tell, and you may never know....

Quit derailing development threads please.

Please stop derailing development threads, it really is getting out of hand. Instead of letting moderators step in, how about policing ourselves? If you don't have anything good to say, then don't say anything. If you take ownership to the matter, then settle it in private channels. This is only hindering people learning the inner workings of android and roms.
If one person creates rom A, built from source (obviously referring to aosp roms). Chances are rom A is using work done by other individuals in the community to achieve a certain goal. This is called an Open Source Community. So rom B comes in and uses A as a base. This is great, because I've found that when this occurs, bugs get squashed much quicker. No matter the skills of the user/developer, they have the ability to find some of the smallest issues that cause the biggest bugs. Even if rom B only has little things like the wifi scan interval changed, or added/subtracted APK's. The only thing necessary here, is a little bit of credit and submitting/notifying the original author of bug fixes and/or enhancements. When this occurs, there is no "he did this" "he got this working first" bull. I could go on forever on proper etiquette, but that's not my point. Let's let everyone do their thing, and if there is a real issue that needs to be addressed, handle it in a classy manner.
Thanks for your time, and i apologize in advance to moderators if this thread gets out of hand, feel free to remove it.

Well said, now if people will only start holding back their words.

Sounds good. Credit where credit is due. No one develops completely on their own (for the most part). Even the CM branch is a "team". When knowledgeable people work together (and acknowledge the source of their work) we all win, and the builds get better.
This model benefits all.
I know, as the user of a now ancient device, I would love to see development NOT come to a halt, or be pushed off to the unfindable fringes.
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I'm very grateful for all the people out there who put their time and effort into making my device better and enjoyable....essentially saving me money....and ask for very little in return. I believe Google has set and shown the example that when people share ideas and work....a product can improve and evolve much faster. Thanks to everybody out there who participates and believes in these principles, and I look forward to your future endeavours.
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Well said, Drew! Awesome

Yup Yup. Btw I agree with what you said in the other thread about not completely agreeing with the xda rule in regards to having to gain permission to use peoples work. Only thing that should be req is proper notation in the OP that its being used and that's it. Imho.
It gets real sad around here when people fight over work and even more so when they do so in public channels. Happened in the 3D section awhile ago and was redic.
If you did something and you don't see credit in an OP for it It's simple, PM the user to discuss it and if that doesn't work PM a mod to help mediate the dispute. NEVER should it be discussed in public threads!
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Well written Mr Drew. I wouldn't worry about those who mess things for everyone else, they surely have nothing better to do.
Keep up the solid work.
Thanks.

That was perfect. Not only are you a tremendous developer, but a very wise person as well. Thank you for taking the time out to write this up. And thank you and everyone else for sharing your/their knowledge.
It would be really nice if there was a list where everything that's gotten done/fixed giving credit to that particular person. Or perhaps when you work off of someone else's work, you bring all of the credits with you. That way as it moves along the credits will stay with that particular version of rom.
By the way, preview7 is running great.
Thanks again,
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Let's not forget about donating to the devs of which you use their hard work. Yes this stuff is free, but hours and hours go into the smallest things sometimes. Even if everyone donated 1 dollar to the dev(s)of the Rom or whatever you use, you're still making a difference. Let's show each other some respect here. Not just to other devs, but to other users also

I wrote this in the other thread but it applies here too. A huge thanks to all who are truly interested in moving forward and improving the Evo experience. And +1 on donating to the devs, all of the devs.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22234151&postcount=45

Good post drewizzle
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tommytomatoe said:
Good post drewizzle
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+1 well stated

Well, everyone should just place nice in the sand box, end of story. Development will get back on it's steady crawl.

[Q]ROM building etiquette?

Not sure if this is the right place for this, but here it goes anyway.
So I've built my first rom from source using JackpotClavin's tutorial. I just need to add my own personal touch. I still have a LOT of work left to do before posting it but in the meantime I need to know what's expected regarding using other people's work.
As far as I know, technically/(legally), I'm not required to get permission from anyone to copy/modify/redistribute someone else's work created under the Apache license. But considering it's OBVIOUSLY severely frowned upon (not to mention against forum rules), I thought it'd be wise to find out exactly what's expected before pissing someone off that could potentially help me in the future.
Forum rules clearly state that "If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used.", although there's question to how much of that actually happens.
But where do I draw the line? What's considered "acceptable" and what isn't?
For example, according to Google, we aren't allowed to package roms with gapps included but, its generally accepted. The same could be said about packaging roms with apps downloaded from the Market.
But what if I wanted to use, say, IntersectRaven's kernel? One that was clearly made for the use of the whole Kindle Fire community. Am I expected to get his explicit permission first, or just just give credit to him in the thread?
That being said, what happens when the new Hashcode kernel is released? I think it'd be safe to say that EVERY rom created thereafter would be packaged with either that kernel or some derivative using his code. Would it then be expected for every rom developer from then till forever to either get his permission or give him credit? (I'm not saying that it wouldn't be warranted...It's just an example)
And what about the proprietary files provided by JackpotClavin and his work?
Maybe I'm over thinking this, but the last thing I want is to be ostracized no not following proper protocol.
Any thoughts?
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Its just good form to ask before hand and cuts down on the drama. I contacted hashcode , jackpot and intersect raven and asked them all before I started using their stuff. It shows respect and acknowledgment for what the dev has done.
Just be courteous and polite and they will do the same.
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I never thought it was neccessary to ask for someones permission to use their code, that's what the whole FOSS thing is about. But you should definitely give credit where credit is due and mention the names of people who contributed code to your build and thank them.

This belongs in Q&A... not Dev section

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This belongs in Q&A... not Dev section
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Thank you for your input. But, with all due respect, this question was intended specifically to see what was generally excepted within the Kindle Fire development community, not XDA as a whole.
On that note, I greatly appreciate the feedback and patience given to an aspiring dev. One thing I've learned in this process is how much goes into the development process and how difficult it can be, even for someone with several years of IT experience. (maybe that's two things--sue me)
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Creampuffyness said:
This belongs in Q&A... not Dev section
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Let the moderators take care of that and don't troll. Thank you.

soupmagnet said:
Thank you for your input. But, with all due respect, this question was intended specifically to see what was generally excepted within the Kindle Fire development community, not XDA as a whole.
On that note, I greatly appreciate the feedback and patience given to an inspiring dev. One thing I've learned in this process is how much goes into the development process and how difficult it can be, even for someone with several years of IT experience. (maybe that's two things--sue me)
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What's been said so far is correct. However if you generally just credit the original author of the work, it's usually enough. Only the most anal devs require you to contact them to use their publically available work.

I would definitely think anyone who posts their work in source format is giving explicit permission for you to use it as a derivative work. Just give credit where it is due.
If it's in binary form, ask them and they'll probably give you the source. I haven't meet anyone on here who is less then awesome and wants the community to be as strong as possible.
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Let OUYA know we want custom ROMs supported

I'm keeping a track of how many requests we get relating custom firmware, and from what I'm seeing the user base is not as interested in custom firmware as you might think, which is echoed by this thread (we've shipped 60,000+ units, and less than 10 people have commented in the last month in this thread about getting access to recovery mode).
That doesn't mean that we're shooting the idea down, you need to keep in mind that in terms of priorities this is way down the list as you'd expect from any feature where it's being requested by less than one tenth of one percent of the user-base.
I'm sure @Wajeemba is familiar with CM requests that a very small minority of the user-base are very passionate about, so hopefully you can understand why we're not rushing to work on this.
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Go to this thread and let them know we want support:
http://forums.ouya.tv/discussion/1380/recovery-mode

Done! The mobile site won't connect to the create account page for me, so I logged in with Google. Didn't want to do that, but I wanted to be sure I made the request. I hope it's cool with you that I copied this post to another forum.
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TadeoNYC said:
Done! The mobile site won't connect to the create account page for me, so I logged in with Google. Didn't want to do that, but I wanted to be sure I made the request. I hope it's cool with you that I copied this post to another forum.
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Thanks, the more the better!

I posted as well... I hope the admin/mod replies to my post though
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Vinny75 said:
Thanks, the more the better!
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I figured as much. Could this be moved to the general section? If there is a big groundswell of support it should make a better impact than posts trickling in over a few days.
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Update: this what OUYA thinks of its customer's requests...
Posted by alsutton on http://ouyaforum.com/showthread.php?3193-Let-OUYA-know-we-NEED-to-be-able-to-boot-to-recovery
and a I monitor this forum as well, so thanks for the heads up you're trying to artificially raise the numbers beyond the level of people who'd normally ask for it.
My *personal* view (that's mine, not OUYAs) is that you don't NEED to be able to boot to recovery, you LIKE access to it. The system works fine without being able to boot to recovery, many people use it without even knowing what recovery is, so it's not needed to use your OUYA. A number of people have managed to make their device unbootable with just root access by experimenting with things like compiling new kernels, then expect OUYA to fix them. Personally I think this is a bit unreasonable (if you started changing parts of the engine in a car and it broke down would you go back to the dealership?), and I'm sure most of the user-base would like support focusing on things other than user created problems (yes, shipping, we know).
So just a "lets all post bomb -->this<-- thread" isn't going to get it raised up the priority list. All I have to do now is factor in the number of "me too posts" from people who may not actually know what they're asking for.
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This is ridiculous and insulting.

Copied from Ouya's Google+ page.......
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Shared publicly *-* Jul 23, 2012
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Hey +OUYA* devs! Don't worry about rooting your device (or purchasing the pre-rooted device). We will provide builds and instructions that can be used to restore the device to 'unrooted' factory state!

Official response to my support ticket:
The OUYA is based on Android which makes it far more open than other consoles, and an OUYA gives your root access which gives you access to far more access than most Android devices. We currently do not provide instructions on how to access recovery mode, and I can not comment on whether or not that may change in the future.
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Post-Bombing isn't helping anyone.
If someone's really interested in that matter, he'll find answers for his questions in this forum!

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Post-Bombing isn't helping anyone.
If someone's really interested in that matter, he'll find answers for his questions in this forum!
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These posts are not located in this forum and are relevant to the topic. thanks, though.

Post bombing either forum isn't helpful...
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Voice your opinions here. I think it more clearly explains the situation we are working with.
s/with/against
http://www.reddit.com/r/ouya/comments/1gk0km/ouya_advertised_as_a_hackers_welcome_device_quite/

I was all set to buy an Ouya, but after reading this forum I'm not so sure. Ouya doesn't sound like a company I want to support. What do you guys think about the Mad Catz console coming out. I want Ouya's hardware not their restrictions. It seems like it will be more open. And to the guys at Ouya, don't hinder the peeps at xda, they are the ones that are going to make you successful.

I posted, thank you for the link. Was wondering where I should voice my concerns.

I posted[/URL as well. I based it mainly as a fail safe for things just happen. The other comments, were more based on others assumptions.

http://www.madcatz.com/m-o-j-o-android-micro-console/
What do you guys think about this. It seems like more what I want. I think if Ouya is going to be restrictive, all dev support should go to a better company. Lets face it, people are looking at the Ouya for what it could be not what it is. It has the hardware to easily replace all the Google Tvs, Apple TVs and Rokus. I actually want it to dual boot into Google TV. Anyway, the Ouya will be releasing soon and there will be many tech articles about it. If we can go onto those articles and leave comment about how the Ouya isn't the good solution we can make a good company popular. I think most people buying the Ouya are just assuming that they will be able to hack it any way they want.

Confused
So do we or dont we have access to a custom recovery? Based on the dev forum I see we have a customer recovery available..what issues are there with it? Also i see WIP for multiple custom roms and even a kernel. I can't imagine one would waste time and making these if there is no viable way to flash them.....
Any information would be much appreciated.

The custom recovery works, many confirmed it on that thread including myself, as for the rest there stillb WIP's
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ej_424 said:
So do we or dont we have access to a custom recovery? Based on the dev forum I see we have a customer recovery available..what issues are there with it? Also i see WIP for multiple custom roms and even a kernel. I can't imagine one would waste time and making these if there is no viable way to flash them.....
Any information would be much appreciated.
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The custom recovery works, many confirmed it on that thread including myself, as for the rest there stillb WIP's
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Yes, we can do those things - the heart of the issue is that if any of those things mess up you have the potential to brick your device with no way to recover short of sending it back to OUYA, Inc. Most android device provide a method to enable a usb recovery mode in the event of such a drastic failure, the OUYA console does not. How many people are willing to test/use software that could potentially brick their $100 device that they have been waiting months to get?

ej_424 said:
So do we or dont we have access to a custom recovery? Based on the dev forum I see we have a customer recovery available..what issues are there with it? Also i see WIP for multiple custom roms and even a kernel. I can't imagine one would waste time and making these if there is no viable way to flash them.....
Any information would be much appreciated.
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The thread title is a bit misleading/confusing, recovery is accessible by rebooting to recovery. The problem is that you there is no way to boot to recovery via hardware except crashing the device during boot up using a keyboard.
They have gone about it all wrong, by allowing users the tools to brick OUYA but not the tools to fix it. Forgive me if I am wrong, but booting in to recovery does not allow us to do anything we can't already do by rebooting in to recovery. I have to wonder if behind closed doors they are moving towards removing root access.
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Shifty root aftermath (apology)

So its clear to anyone who's read of my root attempt or simply heard through word of mouth or whatever the case is. I'm not the most liked user here I get that no this isn't a thread to get hate or admins /mods etc mad closing the thread this is simply an apology to anyone who feels as though I was a troll a lier etc..this is simply this is partly my experience from it what I've seen from the community afterwards and what exactly went wrong with root attempt.. Now first n for most there's been a lot of hate and bs about me saying I did this or that no straight up whatever it is or who said it its false I own up to what I say and or mistakes. Now I get it y'all got a laugh or got disappointed or are simply mad about the way i type stuff out that's fine. Look I've done a lot of learning rooting ROMs etc now what I did wrong was I tried forcing it like I did my Linux box a couple years back..friend of mine he locked me out of it anyway I didn't know that with android it was a completely different thing to get root. I apologize for misleading anyone my goal was to help people but I failed I'll admit it the project went FUBAR an I completely tossed it out. Past couple months or how ever long its been since BL unlock came I've been looking into rooting devices and custom ROMs and kernels sadly i have literally to much hate around me because of a failure..my own fault I let my head get the best of me although I let everyone down here I just wanna say I'm sorry to everyone. I do not wish to be a hated member of this community Android and Linux have been something I've loved for years I'd like to bring ROMs kernels etc to the table.. But who's going to actually use it if people see how hated I am here or a failure etc. So again I apologize and I've learned from my mistakes now I ask of you the XDA community to accept my apology and move forward I'd like to become a real member here like computerfreak, baybutcher and skrilax_CZ etc just to name a few members. Not really shout outs or anything just saying I see the work the positive response from you all and I'd rather be known for good reasons as for hate comments yes I know I'm in for those it's fine. :/ but I'd like to move forward as a real contributor here and unless people can drop the hate I'm unsure if that'll happen but I hope it does to the members of XDA that I let down I'm sorry truly I am. (Also if you really want to hear what happened with root ask and I'll explain the whole story I didn't wanna type it out if no one cares...that is if anyone reads this anyway)

Everyone got too excited and you over promised. Now it's just a joke people refer to but that's due to time and the fact that the bootloader actually did get unlocked shortly after that incident. I don't hold anything against you, but I'd expect occasional jokes from the community. Actually release something (anything) and everyone will forget.

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Everyone got too excited and you over promised. Now it's just a joke people refer to but that's due to time and the fact that the bootloader actually did get unlocked shortly after that incident. I don't hold anything against you, but I'd expect occasional jokes from the community. Actually release something (anything) and everyone will forget.
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I hope you are right I've had a lot of hate and that thing with jcase and the TZ exploit that never happened on my end saying I tried getting info on it (mind you I don't steal others work nor would it have helped me due to the fact that goes for bootloaders) and well I'm not willing to screw with bootloaders at all I just want everyone to see I was over my head and was just trying to help is all

i'm tired of people that keep bringing it up, its just a reflection on their character, not yours. as far as i'm concerned its been over since before it was over.

quantum tao said:
i'm tired of people that keep bringing it up, its just a reflection on their character, not yours. as far as i'm concerned its been over since before it was over.
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Thanks man just trying to get all this damn mess dealt with I figured straight up apology would calm the waters I can completely understand why people where upset hell I beat myself up over the failure for awhile now actually considered saying F it and just leaving XDA that's how much bs happened for awhile

Honestly, I never understood why people create a thread saying "I'm going to work on XXX" instead of just posting the work itself. I've been a member of XDA since 2009 and I've NEVER seen someone post "I'm working on this" and actually come up with something...this includes root attempts, bootloader exploits, ROM ports, etc.
Usually, the people who come out with these kind of things work on it without having to share it with the world.
Nothing productive comes out from one of those threads so I wasn't sure why the thread was even created.
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The problem is you spoke well beyond your abilities.
Learn something simpler first.
Edit stock for a bare bones pre rooted version, then make it flashable.
Compile some already built ROMs just for an idea how it works.
Then attempt building some ROMs that are based off of cm. You may be able to bring us blisspop or carbonrom with some minor help.
After you get a good grasp, perhaps you could then actually maintain a ROM.
I personally would love to see the nexus experience ROM for our device.

mrkhigh said:
The problem is you spoke well beyond your abilities.
Learn something simpler first.
Edit stock for a bare bones pre rooted version, then make it flashable.
Compile some already built ROMs just for an idea how it works.
Then attempt building some ROMs that are based off of cm. You may be able to bring us blisspop or carbonrom with some minor help.
After you get a good grasp, perhaps you could then actually maintain a ROM.
I personally would love to see the nexus experience ROM for our device.
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I'm working on porting cm 13 to my Asus transformer tf101 so I can actually contribute to the droid turbo so step in the right direction I guess

mrkhigh said:
I personally would love to see the nexus experience ROM for our device.
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And the Nexus Experience already has a head start over in the OTHER Quark forum. It was just not updated for the XT1254. So current XT1250/XT1254 -compatible Quark kernel doesn't work with it. But it's already BUILT and ran find on XT1225 until November 2015.
So, that would seem to be very achievable?

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Don't let them get to you. I don't really see how you could have hurt anyone anyhow. Even if you were feeling a little overconfident, at least you tried. I still thank you for giving it an attempt and trying to help others in the spirit of the XDA forums. I was trying at the same time and it was definitely over our heads, but that's how we learn, right? I couldn't have put together a build of CyanogenMod a year ago, but I kept at it. Just don't give up. There will always be someone who pokes fun (appropriate or not).

calsurferpunk said:
Don't let them get to you. I don't really see how you could have hurt anyone anyhow. Even if you were feeling a little overconfident, at least you tried. I still thank you for giving it an attempt and trying to help others in the spirit of the XDA forums. I was trying at the same time and it was definitely over our heads, but that's how we learn, right? I couldn't have put together a build of CyanogenMod a year ago, but I kept at it. Just don't give up. There will always be someone who pokes fun (appropriate or not).
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True true I'm just happy we got bootloader unlock

Shiftydogit said:
I'm working on porting cm 13 to my Asus transformer tf101 so I can actually contribute to the droid turbo so step in the right direction I guess
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How would that help the droid turbo community?
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PILLMUZIK3600 said:
How would that help the droid turbo community?
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Learning to port and build ROMs will strengthen my knowledge of Android then I can use that towards the turbo

Thread closed - point made.