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Bootloader and Rom information

Hello all, i expected to see work done on a custom rom by now. I know the bootloader wont accept any old rom but are we not able to make modified version of the current R2 rom and flash it over our current one? Speaking of bootloaders has there been any progress on getting the bootloader opened up a little?
All the best

I guess work is still being done on it as seen in the custom rom development thread.

Ppl need to stop nagging about when it's going to be done..
it's not like the devs have the bootloader cracked and they are enjoying it by themselves whilst telling us that it hasn't been cracked just to watch us suffer..
if they have it, they'll post it.. what i don't get is.. ppl keep asking about the progress of the work.. what's it matter to you guys... it's not like knowing where they are is gonna help any of us end users atm.. also, it's not something that's been done before.. so they maybe 99% done, or 2% done.. they just won't know until they actually crack the bootloader.. just wait patiently man

Agreed, I don't know why people have to constantly open new threads acting like ...hey, if I ask in a new thread, I bet they'll answer!
Unfortunately the world is full of people that think others owe them something. When they finish, and make a useable step guild JUST LIKE ROOT, they will release it and we will all be happy then. Until then, sit on your hands and don't type any more useless posts. Please and Thanks

I'm a total noob with the inside of the android OS.. and the Win6.1 Os on the X1 before.. but what I am is appreciative of a bunch of people who are prepared to work and share their results with the world, and then to top it off, right up guide lines so the rest of us can enjoy!
/hattip to devs !!

Talonnb said:
Agreed, I don't know why people have to constantly open new threads acting like ...hey, if I ask in a new thread, I bet they'll answer!
Unfortunately the world is full of people that think others owe them something. When they finish, and make a useable step guild JUST LIKE ROOT, they will release it and we will all be happy then. Until then, sit on your hands and don't type any more useless posts. Please and Thanks
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OI!!! STEREOTYPICAL GUY HIDING BEHIND HIS INTERNET CONNECTION!! calm it, there is a serious lack of people attempting to create custom roms (at least in the public eye), i was hoping this would spark off discusion about how we would go about doing it, you actually sicken me with your lack of manners! you would NEVER say something like that my face and thats a fact. mainly out of fear that i would punch you in yours for complete disrespect if nothing else, i was actually one of the people telling people to shut up asking for root to be achieved over and over, i am simply seeking information on what stage things where at, where there any one with custom roms in the works. I am a nice person who asks polity for information . i dont nag i dont demand because i dont feel that i deserve anything. you're the real scumbag here not me.

sabianadmin said:
OI!!! STEREOTYPICAL GUY HIDING BEHIND HIS INTERNET CONNECTION!! calm it, there is a serious lack of people attempting to create custom roms (at least in the public eye), i was hoping this would spark off discusion about how we would go about doing it, you actually sicken me with your lack of manners! you would NEVER say something like that my face and thats a fact. mainly out of fear that i would punch you in yours for complete disrespect if nothing else, i was actually one of the people telling people to shut up asking for root to be achieved over and over, i am simply seeking information on what stage things where at, where there any one with custom roms in the works. I am a nice person who asks polity for information . i dont nag i dont demand because i dont feel that i deserve anything. you're the real scumbag here not me.
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that's because your feeble mind is unable to comprehend the fact that the bootloader isn't cracked, or the implications of that. there is absolutely no point in a custom rom until this is done
Sent from my X10a using XDA App

Mr. Sabianadmin, you should first do some research of what it is required to load a custom Rom in the Android world. Maybe you are coming from the Windows Mobile world and root has a different meaning.
Anyway, this thread is useless because there is no going to be chefs developing custom Roms without the bootloader being hacked. Once the bootloader is hacked and there is a custom recovery for the phone, I am sure tons of chefs will appear with new custom Roms. May I suggest that you go and read the wiki of other rooted Android phones (there is one for the HTC Magic) to educate yourself.

zephyrix said:
that's because your feeble mind is unable to comprehend the fact that the bootloader isn't cracked, or the implications of that. there is absolutely no point in a custom rom until this is done
Sent from my X10a using XDA App
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How many highly qualified software developers do you know with a feeble mind in that regard? i know its not yet cracked. im saying editing the current stock rom thats ON the device and then transfer, this method was in fact used during the rooting process. (or can you not remember back that far?)
Also *Sent from my X10a using XDA App* should have read Sent from my ass under the guise i was positively contributing,
go do somthing like try and look for methods to patch/circumvent the signing process like i currently am instead of annoying me.

sabianadmin said:
Also *Sent from my X10a using XDA App* should have read Sent from my ass under the guise i was positively contributing,
go do somthing like try and look for methods to patch/circumvent the signing process like i currently am instead of annoying me.
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wow.. that's the most childish comment i've come across since.. yesterday (hahha surprisingly there ARE a lot of ppl like you on the Internet)
sabianadmin said:
How many highly qualified software developers do you know with a feeble mind in that regard? i know its not yet cracked
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yes.. you may be a higly qualified software developer..
you maybe trying different ways to prevent/circumvent signing processes..
but if you are a so-called highly qualified software developer, you SHOULD know that if the bootloader hasn't been cracked yet, it's NOT GOING to fire up any discussions among the chefs as you say since it would be totally useless when the bootloader actually gets cracked..
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Speaking of bootloaders has there been any progress on getting the bootloader opened up a little?
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and you SHOULD know that there really is no way of knowing how far the devs have accomplished in terms of progress until the bootloader is actually cracked for public use...
also, just because you are 'working' on other ways, it doesn't mean you can say
sabianadmin said:
i expected to see work done on a custom rom by now.
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the devs don't owe you anything... it's not like you are their boss and you assigned them a task that was due last week. you write as if you just wrote some innocent comment with no ill intention, but you gotta understand that comments like above really pisses ppl off..
sure some devs maybe doing it for the bounty.. but it still doesn't mean you get to nag at them .. you say you weren't nagging but that you were just simply asking questions.. well my dear.. THAT WAS NAGGING..

So.....

I hardly post here, this is known.
Even still....The end of the month is coming up for early adopters. Still no custom roms. This is not good news.
I pondered a resolution...and other than returning for a refund and waiting for the fascinate, I couldn't really come up with anything.
About a month ago, I was fortunate enough to read a donation thread in this section of the boards that was titled: "help buy a droid x, for developer" .
Obviously that idea has been done. So i thought what can be better?
im going to cut to the chase. most of you HAVE to know the deal and have some idea of what we need. Hopefully some of you know exactly what we need and work with it daily Perhaps somebody here has a friend that has a connection. Instead of fearing the efuse, we can start a fund for the individual(who will remain anonymous) who can upload the engineering ROM, encryption keys AND the bootloader. Once the files are verified as authentic by the talented members of xda, then the raised funds will be transferred over to the anonymous uploader of said data.
Discuss.

Uh...
No, thanks

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im going to cut to the chase. most of you HAVE to know the deal and have some idea of what we need. Hopefully some of you know exactly what we need and work with it daily Perhaps somebody here has a friend that has a connection. Instead of fearing the efuse, we can start a fund for the individual(who will remain anonymous) who can upload the engineering ROM, encryption keys AND the bootloader. Once the files are verified as authentic by the talented members of xda, then the raised funds will be transferred over to the anonymous uploader of said data.
Discuss.
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sure, thats a bad idea for a couple of reasons, legal issues come to mind
we have root with froyo coming soon and the sbf just came out. id say were doing pretty good for being three weeks from launch. enjoy it for what it is and enjoy the goodies as they come. There arent many we dont already have.

custom roms dont entice people? LOL. wow.
That is all that the X needs, as it will add longevity to the device. Being binded to motorolas software release schedule, really blows. This is a great unit, it just needs some work on the software. Said fixes that most likely will only be done by devs on these forums.
Thanks LegionTHEFecalExcretion, i knew about the security breach and the sbf. Hey, at least you offered somewhat of an answer and not some peabrain bot rebuttal.

The encryption keys are, I'm very sure, tightly controlled at Motorola. Most companies have software design/build control where software ready for compiling gets checked in and typically encryption keys are locked away within these build control systems.
This means that, not only do you have to raise enough money to make it worthwhile for the person to potentially lose their job and get sued, but it's not usually all the average-Joe programmers who have access. It's probably the higher-up project managers or coding leads.
I just don't see the donation pile getting big enough to entice someone already making a very good living to take a change on losing their livelihood and getting sued over it.

Why not just enjoy the phone, be happy with the current root abilities, and know that at some point we will be able to load custom roms. Yes I want to load a vanilla rom just as bad as the next guy, however I am tired of seeing people ask "are you done, are you done, are you done yet?, how about now, now? maybe now"?
Give some breathing room to these guys, maybe they have kids, jobs, wifes, a life.

I don't understand why you guys have to be mean to the guy. He is new to the forum and probably new to smart phones. He may even have very little knowledge of what a programming environment would be like and how great the downside could be for someone to leak said information. He had what he thought was a good idea and was a b it ignorant. That does not mean he should be treated like crap.

I have some advice for you omni, go get yourself an iphone and leave this forum... i can't believe that you would have the mentality to whine about some of the brightest minds that we have come to respect in this forum, complaning that they don't work fast enough for you... your a very selfish person who has no right to treat the respected members of this forum in such a way.
I for one love this phone and will continue to use it with or without custom roms...
And a special thanks to those working on the bootloader/ custom rom programming... we will wait for your perfection.
Sent from my DROIDX using XDA App

Some phones are easier to work with then others. The DX has not been out that long, have patience.
As an example the Droid Incredible was rooted and a custom recovery added pretty dang quick. On the other hand the Droid Eris took awhile to root and even then, some Eris users had "upgraded" to one of several "leaked" roms and could not root while others that did not leak could. I was a "leak" adopter and it took them several more months to finally get root for the "leaked" Eris owners.
Give it time. They will figure it out eventually.
Or go get something that is more customizable, like the DInc.

My thoughts against unthankful users.

Just wanted to mention that all the users who attacked the devs have changed their tune since oem support is crap.
I've been holding my feeling against all the ignorant users who attacked the devs.
Thanks, that is all.

I'm not sure exactly what you were trying to say, but I got the gist of it.
And I agree.
That is all.

Translation:
All those who attacked the devs and coined them faildev.team are all of a sudden changing their tune now that they are speaking out about their projects, and OEM support has been so crappy.
Sad that people act like this.

I dont undestand why anyone would attack the developers. They aren't obligated to do anything, what they do is out of their own will and desire to better the device. If people have a problem with the phone then blame the manufacturer, not the people picking up after their mess.

Thanks for the translation...

FDro said:
I dont undestand why anyone would attack the developers. They aren't obligated to do anything, what they do is out of their own will and desire to better the device. If people have a problem with the phone then blame the manufacturer, not the people picking up after their mess.
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People demand instant gratification, and when they do not get it, they get ugly because they think for some reason, they are owed everything. Then there is the jealousy factor. Then there are those who think the devs withhold stuff from the community.
Then there are those who just attack me because they can.
The android community is young, and due to it being user friendly, it attracts young folks. Some just happen to be very immature. It *should* get better with time.

All this cool and dandy...
However developers also have some room to improve situation on the forums.
As adrynalyne pointed here there is a lot of childish behavior here. But developers, being leaders of community, not always behave as such.
I understand all sorts of emotions etc. I personally fall victim of them... Sorry if I hurted somebodys feelings.
But, I cannot stand some sort of elitism growing here.
Devs, please do not threat rest of the crowd as a bunch of morons! It will reflect positively on you as well.
If you have time to read all crappy posts on the forums and post aggravated responses, why do not spend this time typing meaningful response, holding grain of knowledge? If not, just stay calm and do not feed flame.
I do not want to repeat myself again and again. Just want to see some professionalism and respect in forums. It's not going to help moving to IRC, twitter or whatever. Root cause must be resolved.
Personally I was really impressed, more by anything else, of adrynalyne responding to that guy posted leak on other forums. Seriously! It was so different from how I percept him at forum. Like completely different person.
Respect!

While moving to irc may be unfortunate for some...it provides real time interaction for development. That simply is not possible on a forum. I work with a lot of people, and can fix problems 90% faster in real time.
Sent from my SCH-I500 using XDA App

FDro said:
I dont undestand why anyone would attack the developers. They aren't obligated to do anything, what they do is out of their own will and desire to better the device. If people have a problem with the phone then blame the manufacturer, not the people picking up after their mess.
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I totally agree, the devs have my support in anything that they do, in whatever time frame they can make happen. Still better then the OEM time frame for an "update".

i hope the poster(s) who jumped all over the devs awhile back (i forget who) arent using anything that they have done recently and will avoid froyo/gb unless it comes from verizon/samsung

nitsuj17 said:
i hope the poster(s) who jumped all over the devs awhile back (i forget who) arent using anything that they have done recently and will avoid froyo/gb unless it comes from verizon/samsung
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agreed
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adrynalyne said:
While moving to irc may be unfortunate for some...it provides real time interaction for development. That simply is not possible on a forum. I work with a lot of people, and can fix problems 90% faster in real time.
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And that's OK. Unfortunately it doesn't leave any footprints anywhere else.
That's why we same questions everyday... Technical or whatever. The commonality between them is that they do not have posted answers here.
I'm talking for myself only. Please do not take it personally in any way and keep in mind that my English is not my native language, so something might sound harsh.
Like I got an understanding that RIL is the problem, by I was unable to find any technical explanation why, what was done to overcome etc. So, I asked here... I even do not want to think about what resulted. And all I wanted to have some technical answer, and may be share some ideas, because I'm in the IT field as well...
Now, looks whats going on around. Punkkaos got it working at least partially. I understand that other people contributed, and work probably started not 10 minutes ago. But nonetheless RIL is in progress or already done.
How I suppose to feel about this? I'm mixed.
Fist of all I'm THANKFUL for you guys who put all time and efforts in this! I'm not going to use it immediately, but I like that secure feeling that phone will not become a paperweight in 6 months down the road. I definitely will enjoy results of this work in the close future.
But, I need to admit that I have another side, as well. It's not necessarily dark, just kind of human nature, I guess. It kind of disappointment...
I ask myself - well, if it is done and done pretty quickly, why it didn't happened before? Months ago...
Like, just an assumption, please do not take it personally.
I think what if devs took a quick look and it didn't worked immediately and samsung promised update soon. People think - OK, we will wait for update, not worth to spend time on it. But time goes and goes and there is no update or leak... And tension is going up and up. And all this is OK and well understood. But doesn't solve the problem.
Yesterday, I've created twitter account (yes, call me a dinosaur) and specifically asked punkkaos how he addressed the problem. And guess what, he answered as expected that RIL is basically adapted and he does call result translation between old and new one. This is exactly how I would personally approach this problem myself.
My point here is that aside of actual work to be done, it is not rocket science. It is well known approach in programming.
And now you can throw all rocks you have into me, saying that if I so smart ass why I do not do it myself. That, right.
But, I know my limits and I'm not going to wipe out one of my comps, partition it to install Linux, to install tool chain, sources etc, to reinstall Windows and all crap me and my family needs in everyday life, just to try adapt RIL knowing that I will fail, because of my zero knowledge of subject. Or, even worse without knowing that it was already attempted and failed. And it was attempted by someone who is really ample to do it. Do you see holding factors?
That's why I asked questions. And being this question answered properly, who knows, may be another brave soul would had managed to accomplish what punkkaos did, but one month earlier, simpler or better. I feel like bad temper and communication let community down, at least temporarily.
And I think we are all at fault here. No need to point fingers.

No one is at 'fault' here. Your sense of entitlement is astounding; you are not owed anything. This OP was directed at people like you.

phooky said:
No one is at 'fault' here. Your sense of entitlement is astounding; you are not owed anything. This OP was directed at people like you.
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Did I ever said that I'm owed? My grief is about this particular community in general. And because we all members, we all equally responsible for a atmosphere here. Or you think that bashing somebody here helps a lot?
And you know what? OP is right at the moment, I'll stay away from any custom roms or mods or whatever. At least for now. Because to be "cool" is not only thing in my life anymore. I outgrown it long time ago.
My crave for update is stemming not from desire to have highest score in quadrant, but from wish to have stable, usable and secure platform, from which IMHO any current phone is far away.
Out of the box SF is fairly usable, thought not ideal. Having Froyo and GB, means that I can get all bug fixes, improvements and new features such as native code extensions for applications and games, enterprise stuff etc.
Using rooted phone might be OK for me, but definitely not for my wife or children. So, manufacturer support is still important. Unfortunately my believe in Samsung faded out very quickly. And that essentially raised importance of independent developers proportionally. I do not see anything wrong with it.

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No one is at 'fault' here. Your sense of entitlement is astounding; you are not owed anything. This OP was directed at people like you.
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this guy does not seem to be in the entitlement crowd. He even states that english is a second language and to cut him some slack. I think what he was trying to say is that he was disappointed that samsung kept getting everybodies hopes up, which may have pushed devs off of working on getting things rolling for this device (why wouldn't they wait when they are being told froyo is on the way? From what I understand it would be easier to rip through that and make changes than to pull it off a different phone and sort of start from scratch). This doesn't sound too "tinfoil hat" to me, and certaintly doesn;t come off as entitled. More like he was pointing out one possible contributing factor as to why there has been a lot of waiting around (not complaining here guys, statement of fact. Did/do appreciate all the nonfroyo/gb roms and fixes that have been pushed out for us) for word of froyo. Now that Kaos/JT/Birdman have gotten some Froyo alpha's posted up, I am getting the feeling that the floodgates are about to open.

2 cents
I am not a developer.
My phone was decent out of the box.
Thanks to all the developers hard work, that i don't yet have the ability to do, my phone has gone from decent to fantastic.
The best part is that they aren't done yet
The future is exciting and if i ever think i am entitled to anything from someone elses work then, please, someone on here ***** slap me.
To all developers on here....you have my respect and gratitude. You have improved my life and saved my ass more than once. (Or twice)
Please keep doing your thing. And when i learn how to help i will.
Sent from my fascinate through xda app.

Well, the goal isn't to instill hostility, but to bring awareness to be thankful.
I can see what CNemo means because he doesn't understand what's going on. I can assure you that there is no intended elitism going on. Most of the roms tested in irc are shared here as soon as they are determined to be stable enough for testing.
It may seem like there is no transparency, but actually if you care, there is... The source codes are public. You can see what the devs are doing on github.

Yeah I've tried the whole, "Im just gonna throw it out there on the forums" thing. It does not work well, and you end up ticking people off when things stop working. Always best for the IRC crowd to muddle through the stuff first.

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Yeah I've tried the whole, "Im just gonna throw it out there on the forums" thing. It does not work well, and you end up ticking people off when things stop working. Always best for the IRC crowd to muddle through the stuff first.
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I agree and disagree. I disagree because it's nice to have this stuff in the forums where more people can try it. On the other hand, no matter how many warnings you give, there are going to be those who AREN'T comfortable with ADB, etc and go ahead and do it anyway... then we as a community lose valuable time while you fix everyone's fubar. It's frustrating to me, I can only imagine being on the other side. As far as Devs go, I don't envy them... It's the utimate "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.
Aside from donations and thanks, the other way to support the Dev community is to PAY for apps. I have quite a few paid apps on my phone. The only caveat to that is when I'm looking at an app and I'm unsure if I want/need it. From time to time I'll grab it from ********* and give it a 5min test spin. If it works, I uninstall and grab it from the Market. If it doesn't, I just uninstall. I know (for the most part) that we're talking about two separate types of devs, but the point is the same... if you're using someone's work... support them!
In response to the post above, I think I get what he was saying... I've done some programming (old school, mostly... BASIC, MS Acess) and while that doesn't really apply to Android at ALL, there may be some of us that have ideas that could help. In the end, a variable is a variable is a variable. I've thrown questions and ideas out only to be ignored. I don't take it personally, but even a "no, dip****... it doesn't work like that" would be appreaciated

No seriously, the guys in IRC will flash anything thrown at them... Some of them will end up with serious issues that were found to be seriously flawed.
Here's an example. VooDoo 5. When it first started rolling around in IRC from jt, it was considered unstable. It did not have the tools required for the average user to repair their phone. Adrynalyne preemptively produced the DI01 all in one ROM to repair everything from the radio, the kernel, the MBR, the recovery even... Did Adrynalyne have to do that? No, he did it because he knew that kinds of issues that would arrive when VooDoo 5 was introduced. Then VooDoo 5 was released.
Compared to VooDoo 4, the amount of incidents are exponentially less because of Adrynalyne putting a fix out there.
Also with phone repairs, it's much easier to help someone fix something in real time than it is to wait on them to try something, post, wait for response, in that sequence than it is to discuss the repair live in a chatroom.
BTW, this is in no offense to anyone. This is to clarify why some of the people are perceived as elitists. It's not that the IRC crowd are elitists, it's that they're more up to date with the latest development because they're busy flashing and screwing up their phones first so that you don't have to. On the same token, if you want to learn/test latest development, hop on IRC and ask any of the guys in #Samsung-Fascinate for help. It's very friendly in there contrary to what you would think (as long as you're not wozzy/sherwood1).

[Q] Thread/Sticky for 2.3.3 exploit?

Please don't discount me as some ignorant noob despite my fairly low profile account.
I actually used to have an HTC Touch Pro 2 and used to flash custom ROMs like it was my job but once I got an EVO I decided against it because I didn't really have any complaints with the stock system. Until now of course.
I accepted the OTA update over the air without really knowing what it was. So I decided to go online and research what was actually included in the update and after doing some XDA searching was quickly refreshed on the joys of flashing customs. In the painful irony of it all, I quickly realized that by accepting the update I had screwed myself into some custom flashing purgatory where I suffer from that "itch" for a new custom ROM that we all know.
Anyways, long story short, I was wondering if there was any type of sticky/thread that is continuously updated on the progress of a 2.3.3 exploit or maybe the progress of the unrevoked team so that when I search for that sense of hope multiple times a day I can simply check one location. I did some searching for such a thread but returned no results.
Thanks in advance and hats off to the devs for all that they do.

damn....that sux that you had no complaints until AFTER the OTA update. thats definitely a bad stroke of luck.
I would say, in the mean time, try out different home launchers to try to get the different feel for them (i.e. if it's the Sense launcher that's bugging you, change it up ) I like both LPP (LauncherPro Plus) and ADW...tho I prefer LPP
and to answer the main question: No...there isnt a sticky or thread discussing the progress of the root exploit.
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I accepted the OTA update over the air without really knowing what it was. So I decided to go online and research what was actually included in the update and after doing some XDA searching was quickly refreshed on the joys of flashing customs. In the painful irony of it all, I quickly realized that by accepting the update I had screwed myself into some custom flashing purgatory where I suffer from that "itch" for a new custom ROM that we all know.
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hopefully the devs will get the exploit out soon so 1)we stop getting the threads demanding the exploit (im not saying this is one of them...just saying that there have been 1 too many of those threads as of late) 2) so that you can start experiencing that "itch" again
I personally will take the OTA and then reroot after the exploit is out so that I'll know how to help others

Progress won't be mentioned until the actual exploit is found, so there's no need to search for a progress report. Until the exploit is found, the progress would be "nothing yet"... so that's pointless to post. As soon as a root method is made, you won't have to search for it. Go to the Evo Q&A section and you'll see questions about it - you'll see discussion & celebration in the General section. You'll probably see the root method itself (unless it's Unrevoked) in the Development section. You won't have to go past the first page to know it's here.
That being said, there's no need for a sticky. And unless you're trying to build a root method yourself, no need to search.
People have to realize that these devs do this in their free time, for free. It bothers me that people that have never given these devs anything expect the new root method now. I'm not talking about you, but so many others come here whining about nobody telling them when it will be ready or about nobody rooting it yet, as if they're owed something. If I had the skills to find a root exploit, I would stop working on it because of these kids *****ing and moaning.
Again, I'm not talking about you... I'm just ranting.

I agree completely. I found it funny that you guys call these guys "trolls." It's perfect. On the PPCGeeks forums back when I was flashing for my HTC Diamond we just called them douchebags but I like trolls, it's clever.
I also wish I had the skills to discover the exploit. I would love to give back to the community. It's all a little over my head though. I'm just another guy reaping the benefits of those generous enough to provide a more enjoyable experience from our devices and liberation from the corporate *cough* horsesh;t.

freddykrue said:
I agree completely. I found it funny that you guys call these guys "trolls." It's perfect. On the PPCGeeks forums back when I was flashing for my HTC Diamond we just called them douchebags but I like trolls, it's clever.
I also wish I had the skills to discover the exploit. I would love to give back to the community. It's all a little over my head though. I'm just another guy reaping the benefits of those generous enough to provide a more enjoyable experience from our devices and liberation from the corporate *cough* horsesh;t.
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the worst part of this thread is that you think you're experienced/old school 'cause you used to flash a diamond. dude, that phone is pretty new in my mind. sit down and read. if it comes up, it'll come up.

detusueno said:
the worst part of this thread is that you think you're experienced/old school 'cause you used to flash a diamond. dude, that phone is pretty new in my mind. sit down and read. if it comes up, it'll come up.
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The HTC Diamond is like 3 or 4 years old by now. These days that's an eternity. I tried using my old diamond for a week or so a couple of months ago, and while I still love the size and form factor, I can't stand the lag factor. The os of windows mobile doesn't bother me, but the lack of power sure does.

detusueno said:
the worst part of this thread is that you think you're experienced/old school 'cause you used to flash a diamond. dude, that phone is pretty new in my mind. sit down and read. if it comes up, it'll come up.
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I wouldn't consider myself old school at all but I would say I have experience. I was flashing for about 2 or 3 years with a combination of the Diamond and TP2.
I'm not crediting myself with any kind of "elderly knowledge" if that's what your concerned about. Some newbs probably know more than me definitely with the Evo being a different OS altogether.
And yes, I loved the phone but the lag was unbearable.

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People need to stop *****ing and complaining and instant messaging developers about their builds.
Because of your attitude of entitlement you cost us one of the best ROM developers the community had. He busted his ass to release a top notch stock ROM with some sweet customizations. But people had to ***** about not being able to use this or that and had the audacity to say they used his ROM if he'd just do this or that.
If you have a problem with how the developers built their goods then don't use them and use something else or build your own.
These developers take time out of their lives to make a ROM or a kernel for us to use and never demand any payments in return. This is a hobby for them and we should be grateful they let us use what they develop.
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Well said.
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Welcome to xda where all the ungrateful idiots live. I stopped doing dev a lot time ago because of it.
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rebretz000 said:
People need to stop *****ing and complaining and instant messaging developers about their builds.
Because of your attitude of entitlement you cost us one of the best ROM developers the community had. He busted his ass to release a top notch stock ROM with some sweet customizations. But people had to ***** about not being able to use this or that and had the audacity to say they used his ROM if he'd just do this or that.
If you have a problem with how the developers built their goods then don't use them and use something else or build your own.
These developers take time out of their lives to make a ROM or a kernel for us to use and never demand any payments in return. This is a hobby for them and we should be grateful they let us use what they develop.
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who did we loose and what rom
im kinda pissed right now after reading this. we dont have many dev's for are phone so for some noobs to run off a dev who was taking time outta of his life to make us a good rom has me very heated.

There are always people who do not contribute anything but are ever ready to complain. Anyone who has put anytime into any dev/mod work understands how much people like @nitroglycerine33 put into doing this for FREE. I don't use Eclipse but shame on the people responsible for this.
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I know the community in general has lost a lot of good developers in the last year.
As I don't have the capacity to build myself, I always say thanks and donate when I have the funds. Now there's a new crop who don't realize or care about all the work that goes into what the Developers do and just expect them to make whatever they demand. Sometimes **** just isn't compatible.

rebretz000 said:
I know the community in general has lost a lot of good developers in the last year.
As I don't have the capacity to build myself, I always say thanks and donate when I have the funds. Now there's a new crop who don't realize or care about all the work that goes into what the Developers do and just expect them to make whatever they demand. Sometimes **** just isn't compatible.
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XDA has changed or maybe it is just the Moto X's customer base because no one is ever happy
i just feel people can't read before asking, there greedy they have to have everything they want, and i second the fact of that they have no idea what it takes to develop these root exploits, Roms, ect. i was going to try and start creating roms for are phone but i have pushed back because i dont know if i even want to deal with everything that comes with it. i still might because i want to learn anyway but i might just keep the rom private. i havent decided yet. but i swear if people push away another dev i want to make the rom threads view only.
i mean we just got Flaux to start building his kernel for are phone we are finally starting to get some dev support and now people want to push the dev's away but not even 5 months ago everyone was complaining that we had no DEV support.
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dray_jr said:
XDA has changed or maybe it is just the Moto X's customer base because no one is ever happy
i just feel people can't read before asking, there greedy they have to have everything they want, and i second the fact of that they have no idea what it takes to develop these root exploits, Roms, ect. i was going to try and start creating roms for are phone but i have pushed back because i dont know if i even want to deal with everything that comes with it. i still might because i want to learn anyway but i might just keep the rom private. i havent decided yet. but i swear if people push away another dev i want to make the rom threads view only.
i mean we just got Flaux to start building his kernel for are phone we are finally starting to get some dev support and now people want to push the dev's away but not even 5 months ago everyone was complaining that we had no DEV support.
IDK end rant
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Well said and it's the community in general. It's a shame to.

termleech said:
Welcome to xda where all the ungrateful idiots live. I stopped doing dev a lot time ago because of it.
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Wish there was a way to reinvent the procedures here so that people understood who they are talking to. This isnt a box store employee trying to sell you something .... people here have passion, talent and code writing skill.
And to hear that someone from Team Baked stopped (or maybe we had a chance at their dev skills) makes me even more frustrated. Team Baked, Nitro... these people and groups need to be respected and allowed to work without headache.
Isnt there a way to open a Moto X Original Pain In The A$$ thread and people can vent or whatever? But I guess the people feeling like they even have a reason to vent is the problem. Maybe there needs to be a QUOTA of donations BEFORE people can say anything negative or request anything.

dray_jr said:
XDA has changed or maybe it is just the Moto X's customer base because no one is ever happy
i just feel people can't read before asking, there greedy they have to have everything they want, and i second the fact of that they have no idea what it takes to develop these root exploits, Roms, ect. i was going to try and start creating roms for are phone but i have pushed back because i dont know if i even want to deal with everything that comes with it. i still might because i want to learn anyway but i might just keep the rom private. i havent decided yet. but i swear if people push away another dev i want to make the rom threads view only.
i mean we just got Flaux to start building his kernel for are phone we are finally starting to get some dev support and now people want to push the dev's away but not even 5 months ago everyone was complaining that we had no DEV support.
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I think faux finally got tired of me making fun of him not having the Moto X haha. It's good to have him on board though.
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We loose a great ROM because a bunch of a$$holes had to ***** about Gravity Box and Xposed not working anymore. That's what pisses mew off the most. No one was making them use the ROM.

Got love the noobs on XDA, don't know what stickies are, noobs starting threads for no reason, noobs complaining about why this doesn't work on a ROM, noobs crying . it comes down to utter lack of respect for other users, noobs only concerned but themselves and don't bother to think about the other guy. Like I saw , if you're not going to help out in a positive way, then do use all a favour and don't post a reply, don't pm anyone , keep your fingers off the keyboard and read, read, read. Ultimately you're the one that will suffer.
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Faux is here now....hopefully the whiners and requesters don't chase him off too.
And as far as the state of the Moto x section ....it is far worse than the S2, N7, Moto G, tab 3 and N5 forums....all the ones I check in on. This one has a crazy amount of self entitled members, members who just won't take any time to read and search and guys who get mad if you call them out on any of it. Yes...the other forums have this behavior too, but nothing close to what I've seen here.
Yes, the locked/unlocked bootloader and ota stuff can get a bit confusing, but there's also tonnes of posts and threads about it. Not being able to find the info is a clear sign of laziness, cause you can hardly turn your head without seeing posts about these things.
We have very few roms and even fewer devs ......so keep acting like spoiled kids and soon we'll have none.
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Users need to look at it like this. Developers are generous enough to share their work. For most developers this is a hobby. And like anyone when a hobby is no longer fun then you stop doing that hobby and move on.

I think the moderators should really lock the moto x threads up for a few days, we also should use the report button, I've used it in the last few days more than I ever have
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All the crap has me thinking of giving my wife my amazing X and getting an N5 for me. LOL. She really wants an X....we will have 2 soon....unless I decide to switch. I doubt I will....but I am not enjoying xda so much lately. Lol
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kj2112 said:
All the crap has me thinking of giving my wife my amazing X and getting an N5 for me. LOL. She really wants an X....we will have 2 soon....unless I decide to switch. I doubt I will....but I am not enjoying xda so much lately. Lol
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You can't let the noobs win, its our forum and we as respectful xda users can make a huge difference. I'm personally aware if one user who was one of the noobs who pushed nitro too far, he actually pm'ed For help
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rebretz000 said:
We loose a great ROM because a bunch of a$$holes had to ***** about Gravity Box and Xposed not working anymore. That's what pisses mew off the most. No one was making them use the ROM.
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Seriously? Was that why? Both of those are so overrated as it stands I would never trade a decent ROM for them. Hell I chose to run ART instead of either cause I want less lag, not more.
You really gotta have tough skin on xda nowadays, the noobs are gonna make all the smart guys go postal.
MotoX Developer Edition went from German 4.4.2 to Great Britain 4.4.2 to T-Mobile 4.4.2 no problem. Fastboot FTW!

We've all been on the other side. But seriously the amount of people in this forum who simply cant understand the meaning of reading first and asking second. Like there needs to be a giant banner saying READ READ READ.

Kittiesoncrack said:
We've all been on the other side. But seriously the amount of people in this forum who simply cant understand the meaning of reading first and asking second. Like there needs to be a giant banner saying READ READ READ.
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Its in the xda rules...but who reads that. LOL.
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One newer member said ignore the rules and make a new account if you get banned. That's what he does. Classy!
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