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[Q] Benefits or Rooting?

Hello, I was wondering what the benefits of rooting the My Touch 4g would be? Would this allow me to remove the bloatware that came pre-installed on the phone? Also I've heard talk of a possible better rom to put on the phone. Would someone be able to explain why this would be better and what rom might be better?
Thanks

spazfishy said:
Hello, I was wondering what the benefits of rooting the My Touch 4g would be? Would this allow me to remove the bloatware that came pre-installed on the phone? Also I've heard talk of a possible better rom to put on the phone. Would someone be able to explain why this would be better and what rom might be better?
Thanks
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Disclaimer/Advice/Humble Opinion:
My advice (without trying to hurt anyone's feelings too much) is DON'T ROOT. I would suggest you familiarize yourself with everything (Linux, ADB, XDA, Google) before diving in head first.
Despite popular belief, having root does NOT in fact make you cooler.
Way too many new users are trying to root because they think it's cool or heard it's cool. You need to learn your device first.
If you don't know how to perform a Nandroid backup, or restore a previous ROM backup, flash updates, install custom ROM's etc, then you should NOT root. You should browse the forums here, read everything until you know it well. Google search related topics. Exhaust all available avenues, then ask questions. After you've executed all of these options you might consider rooting and starting to tinker with your device.

I second what CBC has said. They lock these phones down for business and support reasons, mainly that having root lets you pretty easily screw things up. You shouldn't root unless you have a good idea of what's actually going on, how to back out of it, etc. Just page through some of the root/unroot threads and look at all the stupid questions people post. If they don't look stupid to you, please read read read before thinking any more about rooting.
Don't take any personal offense to this, it just that there's a real chance you can brick your device. The software root itself is fairly safe but at least the original method to disabling the write protection--flashing the engineering hboot--modifies your last line of defense in fixing a broken device.

spazfishy said:
Hello, I was wondering what the benefits of rooting the My Touch 4g would be? Would this allow me to remove the bloatware that came pre-installed on the phone? Also I've heard talk of a possible better rom to put on the phone. Would someone be able to explain why this would be better and what rom might be better?
Thanks
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Benefits to you zero. If you can't do a simple search of google to find out the benefits or if rooting is even for then I can say it will have no benefits to you
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App

jjjackson56 said:
Benefits to you zero. If you can't do a simple search of google to find out the benefits or if rooting is even for then I can say it will have no benefits to you
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Wow, so much for friendly forum help huh...

Sorry not trying to be rude or unhelpful I'm just blunt I could've sugar coated it but what would be the point. You obviously found us using one of the many search engines out there just change your query and you won't get flamed.
As a side note anyone else in the future please do some research before asking this.
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Sometimes the benefits are little things that are not found in change logs. Things that are only discovered through usage by people who have already rooted their devices.
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thedroid said:
Sometimes the benefits are little things that are not found in change logs. Things that are only discovered through usage by people who have already rooted their devices.
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Amen! I could read all day long till I am blue in the face and I have. I did not think asking people who are familiar with the process would be such a bad thing..
Good job with the flaming though. I'll just chalk it up as internet small man syndrome...

@spazfishy
I first started tweaking my phones with a couple WM HTC devices. I did it mostly to increase performance and become a member of a community of geeks (for lack of a better term). BTW, when I say tweak I don't mean building ROMs or writing code. I'm an idiot in that regard.
I'm a year and a month into having Android phones and I still don't know anything about SDK, very, very little about ADB push/pull, etc. Still, I've managed to have fun with my phones and have rooted and toyed with them without any issue worse than a boot loop here and there. It's fun to be the first guy to get an update for a ROM because you're eagerly hitting refresh on the supporting thread. There's also a satisfaction in reading a ****load of info on these forums and figuring out something by yourself or with a little input from the guys here.
I can agree that you should read as much as you can about how these phones work. However, you don't need to know as much as you might think. What helped me was watching some youtube videos...walkthroughs of rooting and tutorials for installing ROMs.

It's **** like this, XDA.
Instead of telling this guy "sorry, rooting is too difficult for your little brain to comprehend, you're just going to end up bricking you're phone" why don't you try to help him with his problem?
I've been following XDA for a while now, and it bothers me that many of you would rather treat this as some type of subculture when we're only talking about ****ing cell phones. Instead, why not try to grow this little community, and show carriers that consumers not only desire open source, they demand it in products they spend their hard earned money buy.
Things will only get there if we can rely on developers and enthusiasts to help spread their knowledge. Modaco and Cyanogen already do a really good job of it, and so does AOSP.
I say to spazfishy, yes. Root you're phone, but not right now. Wait a bit. As more stable ROMs became available, this is actually a good way of getting your phone to behave the way you want it to. And if you've been on this website before, you know the risks involved so do you're homework, and happy hunting.
Hopefully you'll find someone with talent willing to help you.

Sl3PR said:
I say to Daryllh, yes. Root you're phone, but not right now. .
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your post was good but it was spazfishy who was asking the question. it's all good.

Sl3PR said:
Instead of telling this guy "sorry, rooting is too difficult for your little brain to comprehend, you're just going to end up bricking you're phone" why don't you try to help him with his problem?
I've been following XDA for a while now, and it bothers me that many of you would rather treat this as some type of subculture when we're only talking about ****ing cell phones. Instead, why not try to grow this little community, and show carriers that consumers not only desire open source, they demand it in products they spend their hard earned money buy.
Things will only get there if we can rely on developers and enthusiasts to help spread their knowledge. Modaco and Cyanogen already do a really good job of it, and so does AOSP.
I say to Daryllh, yes. Root you're phone, but not right now. Wait a bit. As more stable ROMs became available, this is actually a good way of getting your phone to behave the way you want it to. And if you've been on this website before, you know the risks involved so do you're homework, and happy hunting.
Hopefully you'll find someone with talent willing to help you.
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I SECOND this sentiment. yes, I agree with the overall concept that people should do a search on the forums first and that we don't "need " several separate threads with the same info... however how much better is it really to have a bunch of threads floating around (taking up just as much space as the redundant threads that everyone treats as a plague) chastising and mocking people who just want a little help with their friggin phone??
I've recently been spending a lot of time on these forums after picking up my mt4g and as useful as these forums are - every third thread is someone belittling a poster for asking a simple question. it's pathetic and not beneficial to our community.
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ckisgen said:
I SECOND this sentiment. yes, I agree with the overall concept that people should do a search on the forums first and that we don't "need " several separate threads with the same info... however how much better is it really to have a bunch of threads floating around (taking up just as much space as the redundant threads that everyone treats as a plague) chastising and mocking people who just want a little help with their friggin phone??
I've recently been spending a lot of time on these forums after picking up my mt4g and as useful as these forums are - every third thread is someone belittling a poster for asking a simple question. it's pathetic and not beneficial to our community.
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Great. Then why don't you and Sl3PR be the first to start helping. Your turn.

People should off just told him the benefits of rooting so he can learn when he bricks his phone on what rooting is about.

jeff7790 said:
People should off just told him the benefits of rooting so he can learn when he bricks his phone on what rooting is about.
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You're right. I agree. Let them brick. Then be right back here begging for help.
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Its not that we are flaming anyone its just that we see the same questions over and over. If the question was I've rooted my device now what can do any pointers you would've gotten much more answers. I remember before I rooted my first device I had the same question so I googled that and it came up with pros and cons simple as that.
As far as the small man syndrome over the internet I drive a huge diesel truck with smoke stacks chew and work out endlessly but I'm 4'11" so I don't just do it over the internet. ;-)
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jeff7790 said:
People should off just told him the benefits of rooting so he can learn when he bricks his phone on what rooting is about.
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Ya so he could send it back thus driving up the price of new phones and causing phone manufacturers to lose money and causing more headaches for them as well as others.
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jjjackson56 said:
Its not that we are flaming anyone its just that we see the same questions over and over. If the question was I've rooted my device now what can do any pointers you would've gotten much more answers. I remember before I rooted my first device I had the same question so I googled that and it came up with pros and cons simple as that.
As far as the small man syndrome over the internet I drive a huge diesel truck with smoke stacks chew and work out endlessly but I'm 4'11" so I don't just do it over the internet. ;-)
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yes, heaven forbid he not do EXACTLY what you did!
in a Q&A forum no less..give me a break. and no, I'm not gonna keep going on and on about this in this thread. i'm done.
it just proves the original point i was trying to make - which is now we just have another thread on this boards of people being a**holes and talking down to other people just because they don't possess the exact same information you do or because they aren't going about your perfect prescribed process for obtaining said information..whatever.
if someone asks a question you don't like - why don't you just go re-root your phone? or put your wife's cat in the microwave?
if you have the answer - why not take the 90 seconds it was going to take you to be a giant tool and just answer the question?
OR if redundant posts is really THAT big of a problem on here - then have moderators just delete these posts? or figure out how to become a moderator and then you can play forum cop in all of your spare time and delete these posts and actually be part of a solution not just a part of another problem.
see all you happy campers in another post
have a nice day.
(and btw - CBC - at least your initial reply had some actual information in it and geniune advice. jjackson was just being a jerk. that's what i thought was totally unnecessary. and as far it being 'my turn' - since i've been regularly reading this forum, i do answer questions when i feel like i have something to contribute..this is my first android phone and i have only temp rooted so that's why i didn't answer his post to begin with)

Ok well I'm sorry if I otherwise offended anyone with my rants.
So lmgtfy
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480
But do not follow those instructions they are not for our device. I REPEAT DO NOT FOLLOW THOSE DIRECTIONS. Just use that as a helpful guide for information.
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Hey, a big thanks to the people that were actually helpful. For real this reply will be short and simple but seriously to the haters. Why do you even waste your time replying if you do not like my question? Are you simply here to feel powerful and mock people? Like why would you go out of your way to call me and idiot and assume I am going to break my phone? I really don't see what's in it for you besides a self attained ego boost. Hence the small man comment...
So to the helpful people: thedroid, daryllh, Sl3PR, ckisgen and anyone else with a helpful word or two your comments are much appreciated and with your wisdom I am slightly more educated and will make a decision. And to the others well I didn't know my text took up so much space!! Good luck in scaring more new users away! I hope you guys get a lot of people to click your donation buttons!

[UPDATE:16.10.12]ATRI Atrix ThatRom Installer v2

hello, i've made an Automated Atrix ThatRom Installer.
This script will help noobs to do everything without any troubles.
The file is a rar archive with all firmware files + installer.
here is a link http://www.mobile-inform.com/content/view/1148/1/
this is early alpha. you take all responsibility on yourself. I do not recommend you to use this rom, but if you still want to use it - here it is
UPD Updated To ThatRom v2 (AtrICS)
all thanks to the author of ThatRomv2 (AtrICS), i made only the Installer!
With best regards
the_fly

I don't think that it's a good idea to make an automatic installer of something that it's no stable for someone who doesn't even know how to use fastboot nor flash a zip. Maybe when this finally reaches the stable "level", then you should do the Installer.

BravoMotorola said:
Maybe, until you're not annoying, you should stfu. Seriously stop trying to tell people what to do.
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Wow dude, that was really uncalled for. He is actually right because now the op has put himself in a position to be harassed by anyone who tries this and messes up their phone even though they should and do know the risks. He was just trying to be helpful, he wasn't attacking the op for making it.

I agree making an unstable, untested, developer test build easily available to newbies is a very bad idea. If they can't at the VERY least learn how to use fastboot and adb, they should come nowhere near this ROM. Unless of course you really want to be held responsible for dozens of bricked and/or unusable phones, and be expected to provide extensive support at all times.

if they are noobs - it is their problem. Everything is written befoure me.
Everyone takes responsibility for their actions.
There were several noobs who were crying about ICS even if they do not know what to do. and they are happy now, despite the bugs.
I am not, but i made for those who are. I am not going to tell anyone to install it, i did only help, but i suggest nobody to install it.

It doesn't work and you know it. It's as if there was some paid software that people want, and you made a crack/patch for it, and then you say you don't advise using it. Do you really think people will stay away just because you advised so? No, they won't. In fact in that case your disclaimers make no difference whatsoever, you are equally at fault for making it available as they are for using it. Why do you think all anti-piracy companies always go after crack makers and distributors and not so much after users? I mean many crack makers also advise against using their cracks. But people are stupid and never listen, and in in the eyes of many crack makers are the original offenders.
Or if you want a different analogy - go find a mentally unstable person who can't really think straight (may seem offensive but noobs who want test builds on their phones clearly do not know what they're doing), then place a bottle of some drugs and a fresh needle within easy reach, and then tell them you advise not using it. Observe what happens.
IMO this kind of things are best dealt with preemptively, by not even making the potentially controversial stuff easily available.

you see, i've made first script of unlocking the boot a year ago. a lot of peole thanked me. they were happy - they unlocked once and than used other ways to change the firmware. They were noobs, but happy noobs. 18 000 downloads (i think some of them were same persons, for example me - while i was testing, or when i was unlocking for my friends), but only 4!!! broken phones. 2 of them caused by bad motherboard and 2 of them by ignoring the manual and all the warnings.
This one is more easy one. less questins. less work. just use it.
and if person already have unlocked boot there will be no problem with this FW
and i want to mention it again some users are happy enought with this fw. Some do not have reboots, some have but for them it is ok.

You should tell everyone that this is a very alpha rom. It does run without multiple reboots for most people per the forums. I personally have tried all methods and cannot get it to run.
I appreciate your efforts but this is not something that noobs will get any value from. You should be very clear upfront.
Sent from my MB860 using xda app-developers app

agurzhiy said:
hello, i've made an Automated Atrix ThatRom Installer.
This script will help noobs to do everything without any troubles.
The file is a rar archive with all firmware files + installer.
With best regards
the_fly
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Thanks agurzhiy!
I am a proud noob who used your unlock script and will use this one.
For all the pros which have a problem with this- you have the same approach as Motorola - "It's complicated you can't understand this". It's my choice what to do with my phone and agurzhiy providing us noobs with a possibility to participate in the effort to make it better.
The bottom line is instead of criticize why don't you spend this time and energy on creating and helping the community. Remember you were ones noobs too.
Sent from my MB860 using xda app-developers app

e07015 said:
You should tell everyone that this is a very alpha rom. It does run without multiple reboots for most people per the forums. I personally have tried all methods and cannot get it to run.
I appreciate your efforts but this is not something that noobs will get any value from. You should be very clear upfront.
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i think everyone knows that it is alpha rom. nobody is going to install a script if if nobody knows what's inside. But i will add that it is alpha

ComX said:
For all the pros which have a problem with this- you have the same approach as Motorola - "It's complicated you can't understand this".
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You're missing my point entirely here. But that's okay. I don't want to argue anymore.

Is this just a fastboot script or an bootloader unlocker and ram fix etc etc

ravilov said:
You're missing my point entirely here. But that's okay. I don't want to argue anymore.
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I do not think that this is an argument. It is more like sharing different views on a subject.
I know what you mean, you want to prevent (or at least warn) noobs from taking the risk of bricking their phone and you are right 100%. But let me ask you how many of XDA readers are dumb enough to download some thing like this without reading at least a bit about it(*). Give ppl a little credit, most of us will stop on red light although it is possible to continue. Take me for example: I wanted to use nebtop but had a difficulty to understand how to root. Than mramirezusa came out with Automatic bootloader for noobs like me and boom - now I'm using the atrix as a streamer and without this tool I couldn't do this on my own. My point is that having a possibility to do stuff is highly appreciated.
* Ryan Dunn: If You Gonna be Dumb - You Gotta Be Tough.

this is a fastboot script to make it faster and easyer for a noob

UPDATE:
added the 32 bit version for x86 Windows

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UPDATE:
added the 32 bit version for x86 Windows
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Dude, you've only been thanked here 7 times... Stop thinking so highly of yourself.
Unless you are going to stick around the forums helping these guys out when they have issues with your release, because they won't have anywhere else to go, and because other devs are busy with their own stuff, than you should probably refrain from posting anything that makes it easier to flash dangerous software.
Unless you're willing to help "guy xyz" (since quotes seem to be in) on "page 74" when he asks again, "why am i having video issues after flash", because your main post lacks important details and explanation and your web link is not multi-lingual, please refrain from posting content which could be perceived as harmful to use.
Any good software community recommends first releasing to a smaller test group in order to work out major bugs and minimize any potential impact the software may have on the device... And, any good service community would recommend first releasing to a smaller test group in order to create a base to compare full deployment scenarios against... In no cases would they make it easy to install buggy software on devices of users who can not adequately report issues during alpha stages of software.
Why is it so hard to understand how that applies here?

Zeljko1234 said:
IMO, you should stop spending so much time here on the forum arguing with people. Don't get me wrong but your posts are usually quite offensive (example what I saw today). You post almost in every thread, smartassing noobs, playing to be moderator... If you know something, share it, if post or thread is against the rules, report it.
Now you're arguing with guy who made first script of unlocking the bootloader and in the same time insinuate that many of xda members are just dump.
Forum, especially xda, is about sharing knowledge not giving useless advise/comment or to google it.
P.S.
Sorry everyone for off topic.
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We try not to feed him, Zeljko1234... Just let him be.
Your point is well deserved; but don't feed the trolls.

knigitz said:
Dude, you've only been thanked here 7 times... Stop thinking so highly of yourself.
Unless you are going to stick around the forums helping these guys out when they have issues with your release, because they won't have anywhere else to go, and because other devs are busy with their own stuff, than you should probably refrain from posting anything that makes it easier to flash dangerous software.
Unless you're willing to help "guy xyz" (since quotes seem to be in) on "page 74" when he asks again, "why am i having video issues after flash", because your main post lacks important details and explanation and your web link is not multi-lingual, please refrain from posting content which could be perceived as harmful to use.
Any good software community recommends first releasing to a smaller test group in order to work out major bugs and minimize any potential impact the software may have on the device... And, any good service community would recommend first releasing to a smaller test group in order to create a base to compare full deployment scenarios against... In no cases would they make it easy to install buggy software on devices of users who can not adequately report issues during alpha stages of software.
Why is it so hard to understand how that applies here?
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Why don't you argue with epinter or any other person who put ThatRom?
Why are you arguing with me?
i made the thing easier, but i am not responsible for the uncomplete software. some people are lazy to use fastboot, but they know how to use it (i have flashed my phone 3 times while testing some of options to find out how it works)
other do not have enough knowledge to flash, but it's thair dream to have it, they are ready for the bugs and they alwas can ask me to help them to flash any other FW. And if they have unlocked boot - they can use CWM.
And the last group - the people who are just afraid to install after a lot of information about locking bootloaders. In russian community forums i've read 10 such questions from people who i know, from people who know how to use fastboot.
And if person do not want to install it - he may not install it!

I'm thankful to everyone who share knowledge. Even if I don't use everything, I usually download or read just to learn how. Without such guys, Internet itself will be mostly useless.
Do not blame anyone (especially epinter) for your mistake. He and many others guys spend a lot of their private time to figure how to do something, developing, supporting... and then sahre for free! As I can see, very rare they get donation. Almost never for the most loudest complainers which just wait that someone else will do something for them.

As I explained, as long as you are willing to stick around and help people with issues they encounter after flashing this, and provide more detailed instructions that people can read in your first post, it's not an issue.
Low thank count makes the more seasoned members cringe, as people release stuff that brick phones then disappear (it happens), leaving the community in a state of unrest trying to figure out the full impact of an unmaintained release, how many users were affected by the release, and a common way to fix the issues, and it leaves it up to other developers to explain to every xyz person to read this thread, read that thread, or flash this to fix.
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Is there a list?

OK, so I've searched the forums, and so far have come up empty. Mods, if I missed a thread , I apologize.
What I'm looking for and would love to find, is a list of ROMs, sorted by device. Like if I wanted to see what ROMs are available for my Nexus 7, I would like to be able to visit a website, enter my device and be shown every ROM that is compatible with my device..
I believe developers would have an easier time of spreading the word about their products, if people didn't have to spend hours surfing the forums, searching for people who are running whichever ROM on whatever device. Just my 2 cents.
The fact that something like this doesn't exist is beyond me. Maybe I just can't find it..

It doesn't exist because it is logistically unfeasible and impractical. The closest you could hope to come to something like this is goo.im, and it is by no means all inclusive.
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You could certainly start a Wiki. It would be a service to some.
My own request would be for people who start topics, give them a title as specific as possible.
A topic as general as this one wastes an awful lot of folks time, opening it to see what it is about.

najaboy said:
It doesn't exist because it is logistically unfeasible and impractical. The closest you could hope to come to something like this is goo.im, and it is by no means all inclusive.
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How is logistically impossible? Its just data being pointed to by hyperlinks.. All it would take is for various developers to submit links to a particular site that would allow users to search for their device. Much like this site, as it allows you to select your device then attempts (horribly) to show you what is relevant to your device. Problem is, if you want to find out, for example, what's the hottest new stable ROM for your device, you have yo sort through all the crap unrelated posts to find it.
And as far as practicality is concerned..it would be EXTREMELY practical. The idea itself is to simplify to the process by which people access information. Pretty sure that's the DEFINITION of practical.

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How is logistically impossible? Its just data being pointed to by hyperlinks.. All it would take is for various developers to submit links to a particular site that would allow users to search for their device. Much like this site, as it allows you to select your device then attempts (horribly) to show you what is relevant to your device. Problem is, if you want to find out, for example, what's the hottest new stable ROM for your device, you have yo sort through all the crap unrelated posts to find it.
And as far as practicality is concerned..it would be EXTREMELY practical. The idea itself is to simplify to the process by which people access information. Pretty sure that's the DEFINITION of practical.
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In most forums there is a reference thread with a list of all the ROMs/kernels/mods/guides&tutorials. Its in the android development forum for the n7
sent from my paranoid nexus 7

usncpg45 said:
How is logistically impossible? Its just data being pointed to by hyperlinks.. All it would take is for various developers to submit links to a particular site that would allow users to search for their device. Much like this site, as it allows you to select your device then attempts (horribly) to show you what is relevant to your device. Problem is, if you want to find out, for example, what's the hottest new stable ROM for your device, you have yo sort through all the crap unrelated posts to find it.
And as far as practicality is concerned..it would be EXTREMELY practical. The idea itself is to simplify to the process by which people access information. Pretty sure that's the DEFINITION of practical.
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What you propose would necessitate all developers submitting their Tom's and updates. As of six months ago, there were roughly 4,000 distinct versions of hardware running Android in 195 countries. Also take into account the multitude of individually compiled kangs, along with the fact that many roms see updates on a daily basis, and the necessary scope of such a project gets even deeper and more costly.
For the devs, it would represent nothing more than yet another repository for them to keep up with. Others don't want their roms mirrored by third parties, as they prefer to either directly track their downloads or have the traffic driven to their sites.
As it stands, goo represents the most comprehensive solution to your query given the real world limitations faced.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

Bad Idea.Confusion and Bricked Devices would Increase
i think having a list type site would be a injustice to the rom Developers. As they post vital information and updates as well as user feedback on the Developers. Rom threads posted here in Developer forums.. Also it allows feed back between developers and users on what they want ,what works and what does not...
Not to mention the ability for users to help with the development of there favorite rom by passing donations to the Developer..
The so called list is here alive and active. Its called xda developer forums.. Each device has its own forum each forum is broken down into sections. What more would be needed then our Developer forums . Then developer rom threads.
I would not download a rom bases on a list from a 3rd party site.. I can see that causing roms being mistaken from one to another..
Just my opinion.. what we have now is not broken.. No reason to fix it cm 10 has a download list of all roms... Paranoid andorid does as well all the big dev teams do this... Your just not looking deep enough ...
One more thing. If it were that simple without having to read about a rom. There would be a ton of bricked devices from people not knowing what they are really doing when flashing or the risk they are taking..
Good Luck on your List and getting developers on board..

erica_renee said:
The so called list is here alive and active. Its called xda developer forums.. Each device has its own forum each forum is broken down into sections. What more would be needed then our Developer forums than developer rom threads.
Good Luck on your List and getting developers on board..
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+1......My thoughts exactly
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Kernel with Gamma Correction capability is here! GPE ONLY!

I have posted a kernel with gamma modification, Default frequency governer changed to "on-demand", and the addition of the name "sleekai" to the kernel name here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2647119
You MUST have a rooted system, adb with correct permissions installed on your computer, and a LG Gpad 8.3 GPE v510.
THIS WILL NOT WORK ON STOCK LG PADS! IT MUST BE THE GOOGLE PLAY EDITION!!!
If you bought it anywhere but the playstore, it's not the Google Play Edition.
See thread for instructions. DON'T FORGET TO MAKE A BACKUP!

After flashing the kernel to your device, you will need to install Trickster Mod, or some other screen adjustment app in order to change your gamma settings.

Can you build one for us lv500 owners
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if I had the kernel source, yes I could. The problem would be how to flash it back onto the device. The 500 does not have an unlocked bootloader therefore fastboot cannot be used.
I would also need a running copy of the boot.emmc.win file from a boot backup of your device. You give me those two items, and a way to push it on to the device and I will be happy to make one with gamma correction for you to test.

Well there is a custom kernel floating around for the lv500 so I imagine it can be done but this stuff is beyond my skill set
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Well there is a custom kernel floating around for the lv500 so I imagine it can be done but this stuff is beyond my skill set
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I'm not aware of any for the stock lg 500 that actually work. A lot of hype. People shouldn't post items as being stable working projects when they are not.
It would be far better to announce test projects as such. I've read where people have bricked their devices due to another's need for validation, earned or not. Silly that.

This is awesome. I'm hoping something can be done for v500. One of the few gripes with the tablet universally is the brightness and the orange/brownish tint the screen has, especially on whites. Could you post any before and after photos to see how much of an improvement it made to the gamma? I'm excited to see where this could go. I'd love to help but like Canadoc, it's above my skill set as well.

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I'm not aware of any for the stock lg 500 that actually work. A lot of hype. People shouldn't post items as being stable working projects when they are not.
It would be far better to announce test projects as such. I've read where people have bricked their devices due to another's need for validation, earned or not. Silly that.
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I never said that this had to be for this stock LG rom but rather a kernel for the non Google Play Edition version . Here in this thread is a kernel for Android 4.4.2m which is not a Google Play edition rom.
Can a kernel not be made like this but with gamma controls
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2605646
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Canadoc said:
I never said that this had to be for this stock LG rom but rather a kernel for the non Google Play Edition version . Here in this thread is a kernel for Android 4.4.2m which is not a Google Play edition rom.
Can a kernel not be made like this but with gamma controls
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2605646
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Appears to be a solid kernel. You will have to ask the developer. As it is an LGE specific item, it would have to be a kernel based off of an LG source.

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Appears to be a solid kernel. You will have to ask the developer. As it is an LGE specific item, it would have to be a kernel based off of an LG source.
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it would really mean a lot for us which have tiny winy problems with light and colour issues:thumbup:
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Appears to be a solid kernel. You will have to ask the developer. As it is an LGE specific item, it would have to be a kernel based off of an LG source.
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I have asked him. He is planning on doing this. I mentioned this thread to you to show it is doable to make a kernel for a non lv500 device. Since you have done it already I assumed making a gamma correction addition to a kernel might be something you could do since it is among the most wanted improvements
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I have asked him. He is planning on doing this. I mentioned this thread to you to show it is doable to make a kernel for a non lv500 device. Since you have done it already I assumed making a gamma correction addition to a kernel might be something you could do since it is among the most wanted improvements
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I have made a kernel with the ability to adjust gamma for the Lg GPad Gpe 510, it is located in the second thread of my kernel how to in the development section.
And again, if you get me the kernel source for the LG g pad lge 500, and a copy of the boot.emmc.win file from a running Lg pad lge 500, I can make a kernel with the ability to adjust gamma. HOWEVER, I do not have a way to push the revised boot.emmc.win boot image containing the modified kernel back onto the 500 device because the boot loader on the Lg GPad lge 500 apparently can not be unlocked, and fastboot requires an unlocked boot loader. Fastboot is part of adb, which is what I use to put the boot image onto the Lg GPad gpe510.
So, in summary, get me the kernel source, a boot.emmc.win file, and a way to push the compiled kernel back onto your device, and I will be happy to.
Conversely, you SHOULD go to my kernel how to and learn how to roll your own!
I didn't just give you a kernel to work with, I gave you a way to work with a kernel!
Best regards, sleekmason

Ouch don't appreciate the tone of that post. I have already stated the compiling kiss kernels is way beyond my skill set. You mentioned that there was no kernel for the non GPE device so I directed you to a thread where there was one. If someone was able to compile. and create a flashable zip with a custom kernel then I assumed there was another way to do it. Instead of saying you are unable to or would need to confer with the other developer... you tell me to essentially get you everything or do it myself. I wouldn't ask for help if I could do all those things. I appreciate you helping others but think a little better attitude would be appreciated in your replies. I will gladly leave this thread given how clearly you have made your position.
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Ouch don't appreciate the tone of that post. I have already stated the compiling kiss kernels is way beyond my skill set. You mentioned that there was no kernel for the non GPE device so I directed you to a thread where there was one. If someone was able to compile. and create a flashable zip with a custom kernel then I assumed there was another way to do it. Instead of saying you are unable to or would need to confer with the other developer... you tell me to essentially get you everything or do it myself. I wouldn't ask for help if I could do all those things. I appreciate you helping others but think a little better attitude would be appreciated in your replies. I will gladly leave this thread given how clearly you have made your position.
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you asked for the same thing in multiple threads, with replies by me in each to read explain the situation. my tone was correct for your continued insistence that I should do something for you, for free, now, based on the fact that "you want".
I, being a good nature, informed you (twice in this thread alone), that if you were to give me certain items that I do not have access to on my own personal tablet, I would be more than happy to make you a kernel.
I also noted that in the thread that you gave me you had also asked the other kernel developer for gamma correction. I have absolutely nothing to do with his current development and I am NOT in contact with other developers about anything.
You come across as somebody that is just flaming the threads. Quit it.

Let's be clear about something. Yes I asked in more than one thread each one appropriately so as this one is directly related to my questions.
Secondly you clearly stated that such a kernel could be done but that based on how YOU do things it would not work on the Lv500.
You go on to wrongly claim that kernels for our device can't be made. I supplied a thread to show you otherwise.
I also plainly state I lack the skills to make my own kernel and based upon your boastful ways about the ease of compiling kernels I asked if you could do the same for the much more commonly owned model that people in this thread own.
You basically tell me to provide you with things you know I won't be able to and make it sound like I am fault that the kernel can't be built by you instead of being less arrogant and saying you don't have the skills.
You create multiple threads and brag about your accomplishment then act offended when others ask for help. Don't be so full of yourself. A simple wish I could help but I don't have the right tools our skills would suffice. Trust me when I say I may be asking for such a kernel but I am not alone by a long shot in wanting one given the gamma issues with this device.
I have been on xda long enough and take offense to you insinuating me flaming on here. If you can't act like a grown up then don't bother posting. If you consider yourself a real dev then you would welcome the challenges and enjoy helping us instead of mocking people who ask for help.
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Let's be clear about something. Yes I asked in more than one thread each one appropriately so as this one is directly related to my questions.
Secondly you clearly stated that such a kernel could be done but that based on how YOU do things it would not work on the Lv500.
You go on to wrongly claim that kernels for our device can't be made. I supplied a thread to show you otherwise.
I also plainly state I lack the skills to make my own kernel and based upon your boastful ways about the ease of compiling kernels I asked if you could do the same for the much more commonly owned model that people in this thread own.
You basically tell me to provide you with things you know I won't be able to and make it sound like I am fault that the kernel can't be built by you instead of being less arrogant and saying you don't have the skills.
You create multiple threads and brag about your accomplishment then act offended when others ask for help. Don't be so full of yourself. A simple wish I could help but I don't have the right tools our skills would suffice. Trust me when I say I may be asking for such a kernel but I am not alone by a long shot in wanting one given the gamma issues with this device.
I have been on xda long enough and take offense to you insinuating me flaming on here. If you can't act like a grown up then don't bother posting. If you consider yourself a real dev then you would welcome the challenges and enjoy helping us instead of mocking people who ask for help.
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Wow. Really? I'm done with you. Good luck with your endeavors.

Reread your post to me. A little high and mighty that is my issue. As I said I am happy that your work is possibly helping people here. But you acted in your post like I was trying to call you out when my purpose was to point you to a thread that might provide you insight into how to develop a kernel for a non GPE model
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Amazing. I have apparently fallen for a trap where people change what they've posted in order to sound different then their original statements. good job, but I will not be lured anymore.

The OP is not obligated to provide you anything. He was kind enough to provide a how to guide on how to build a kernel and the one he made for others to profit from. But as it is not for the v500 you are offended that he won't make one for you....
This is like me posting in every custom rom made for the v500 that I want the same for the v510. I come to XDA to read /learn and use what the nice developers provide to us out of their kindness. People who pick fights with the devs are what scares them away and turns XDA into a forum of spoiled kids to lazy to read and asking the same question over and over.
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The OP is not obligated to provide you anything. He was kind enough to provide a how to guide on how to build a kernel and the one he made for others to profit from. But as it is not for the v500 you are offended that he won't make one for you....
This is like me posting in every custom rom made for the v500 that I want the same for the v510. I come to XDA to read /learn and use what the nice developers provide to us out of their kindness. People who pick fights with the devs are what scares them away and turns XDA into a forum of spoiled kids to lazy to read and asking the same question over and over.
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No it is not quite like that. I am not offended by that in the least. Rather I am offended by how he said something not by what. As a physician if I spoke to my patients in that manner I would be fielding plenty of complaints by the administration.
Given how few kernels exist for this tablet it is not unreasonable in the 2 or 3 whole threads related to kernel to ask if it impossible to make one for the lv500. It is not laziness but rather a lack of skill set in that area and no time to try to learn Coding and Linux. I usually support devs by contributing financially where reasonable or by providing information etc that helps them further their work. I just don't appreciate when a dev develops a chip on their shoulder and essentially amounts to" go do it yourself."
I was clear in both my posts I appreciated his work for others but just not the tone of his reply with me.
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Notice! You will brick this device...

I know everyone is eager to set up their KF HDX how they want it & many of you are new-ish to XDA, so you have been able to rely on tools to automate everything, making it easier to accomplish what you want, but not so great for learning the basics of Android & the core development & debugging tools that are used in the automated processes like the various toolkits you find throughout the forum threads.
At any rate, I am writing a warning about this device ONCE AGAIN. If you really have no idea what the sdk is or how it is used, the HDX is not something you want to start messing with. You know who you are. If you aren't running Linux, or at the very least a dual boot distro like Unbuntu via wubi & you have never installed or used the Android SDK, PLEASE think twice about whatever you are contemplating.
The Kindle Fire HDX is not like other device you have maybe played with, or owned. It is a low level development device that uses an oddball system for updating & while it is vulnerable to several exploits, the bootloader is 100% locked. Complicating this issue is the fact that the device does not have fastboot access & messing with certain system files or permissions CAN & WILL cause issues ranging from wifi & 4G connectivity to a full on hard brick. There are also checks in place that will prevent adb access if you remove or mess up certain binaries or drivers. Some of these things CAN & WILL lead to loss of ADB access. Without ADB access, anything you break CANNOT be fixed.
This is NOT the device to get your feet wet on when it comes to rooting or modding. In the last two days alone, I have had 8 requests from people with devices that are having issue because of something that was done inadvertently or because something was done in the wrong order. I am willing to help WHEN I CAN, but I am an engineer, not a developer, with a busy schedule & a family, so taking care of my responsibilities comes before anything XDA related, for myself, or anyone else.
If you decide to ignore all of the posts about people bricking their devices & you ignore this warning, the SECOND SUCH WARNING, well, fine. After all it's your device & you can do whatever you want to it. Just don't expect to find an easy fix or someone there 24/7 to hold your hand through the process of trying to recover it. After all, this is a development forum, where you are expected to have a certain degree of knowledge, or be in the process of gaining that knowledge & it's not something you are going to learn by osmosis or be able to cram into a panicked couple of hours because you messed up your device.
So, you have been warned. Again. Unless you want a $300 - $700 project you may never finish, read BEFORE you do. Learn about what you are trying to accomplish & just deal with the Amazon only device until you can understand at the very minimum how to use adb & know how to apply all of the various adb commands. The absolute worst time to try to learn anything is when you are panicked & grasping at straws.
Don't be this guy:

I think that http://towelroot.com/ is a good place to start as the apk can be side loaded and should provide root access. I still have root on my Kindle Fire HDX 7" so I dont have any need for this root method, but according to the CVE-2014-3153 most versions of android are affected including 4.2.2. I would say if your a noob and not comfortable with adb and command line then this is your best bet for gaining root. Once you do have root I would suggest installing a firewall app and block everything except the apps you want to have access to the internet this should stop any updates from hitting your device. Have Fun!!
CDub50

cdub50 said:
I think that http://towelroot.com/ is a good place to start as the apk can be side loaded and should provide root access. I still have root on my Kindle Fire HDX 7" so I dont have any need for this root method, but according to the CVE-2014-3153 most versions of android are affected including 4.2.2. I would say if your a noob and not comfortable with adb and command line then this is your best bet for gaining root. Once you do have root I would suggest installing a firewall app and block everything except the apps you want to have access to the internet this should stop any updates from hitting your device. Have Fun!!
CDub50
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Not helping. Yes, anyone can root there device by installing an apk & clicking a few buttons. The ISSUE is what they do AFTER they root, because now they have access to do things like overwrite graphical drivers with ones that are 4 years old, erase directories from the system partition or just completely WIPE the system partition. These are three examples of things that people have done in the last 24 hours with root. I'd go thru the other 5 from PM's but frankly I don't remember the exact issues, most were some form of the previously mentioned mistakes. But hey, since you are telling people that "aren't comfortable with adb..." they should root, I'll start a brick master thread for you to take care of. :good:

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not helping. Yes, anyone can root there device by installing an apk & clicking a few buttons. The issue is what they do after they root, because now they have access to do things like overwrite graphical drivers with ones that are 4 years old, erase directories from the system partition or just completely wipe the system partition. These are three examples of things that people have done in the last 24 hours with root. I'd go thru the other 5 from pm's but frankly i don't remember the exact issues, most were some form of the previously mentioned mistakes. But hey, since you are telling people that "aren't comfortable with adb..." they should root, i'll start a brick master thread for you to take care of. :good:
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well said and repeated!

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Not helping. Yes, anyone can root there device by installing an apk & clicking a few buttons. The ISSUE is what they do AFTER they root, because now they have access to do things like overwrite graphical drivers with ones that are 4 years old, erase directories from the system partition or just completely WIPE the system partition. These are three examples of things that people have done in the last 24 hours with root. I'd go thru the other 5 from PM's but frankly I don't remember the exact issues, most were some form of the previously mentioned mistakes. But hey, since you are telling people that "aren't comfortable with adb..." they should root, I'll start a brick master thread for you to take care of. :good:
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Come on though, this XDA forums, isn't it? Anyone reading these threads should be well aware of the risks involved. With towelroot app rooting the device is simple, and not going to brick your tab. Being reckless and doing some of the other things you mention, well, sorry, but like Clint Eastwood says in Magnum Force, "A man's got to know his limitations".
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Lol. When the vroot method was posted a couple days ago the hdx forum was quite silent...
Then BOOM!
"OMG I BROKED MY TABLET! BRICKED HDX! *BLAH BLAH* BROKE MY TABLET! HELP!!!! HELP!!! BRICKED TAB! "
good warning for noobs.
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I used the towelroot, then used a ota update blocking script and kindlefree, that's it. I bet people are out there installing safestrap, Roms and whatnot.

GSLEON3 said:
Not helping. Yes, anyone can root there device by installing an apk & clicking a few buttons. The ISSUE is what they do AFTER they root, because now they have access to do things like overwrite graphical drivers with ones that are 4 years old, erase directories from the system partition or just completely WIPE the system partition. These are three examples of things that people have done in the last 24 hours with root. I'd go thru the other 5 from PM's but frankly I don't remember the exact issues, most were some form of the previously mentioned mistakes. But hey, since you are telling people that "aren't comfortable with adb..." they should root, I'll start a brick master thread for you to take care of. :good:
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To think that everyone who roots their Kindle is going Brick their device is laughable. Most people want to root to install google play store and stop future updates. There are always going to be people that are going to brick their device by pulling a bone head move. People know the risk, but if you can make rooting less risky by just installing an .apk sounds like a no brainer to me.
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Please people root phones all of the time and I would say 99% of people dont run into any issues with having root.

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cdub50 said:
To think that everyone who roots their Kindle is going Brick their device is laughable. Most people want to root to install google play store and stop future updates. There are always going to be people that are going to brick their device by pulling a bone head move. People know the risk, but if you can make rooting less risky by just installing an .apk sounds like a no brainer to me.
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Please people root phones all of the time and I would say 99% of people dont run into any issues with having root.
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You just sighned up for brick duty... Where was your energy and sarcasm Friday when Chinese root hit the forum? But yea thx and for chiming in though.

jimyv said:
You just sighned up for brick duty... Where was your energy and sarcasm Friday when Chinese root hit the forum? But yea thx and for chiming in though.
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Wow. Suggesting people use a simple apk to root their device earns you "brick duty"? And talk about sarcasm, your last sentence is a good example.
What's the point of XDA if we're afraid to do anything to our devices?
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Wow. Suggesting people use a simple apk to root their device earns you "brick duty"? And talk about sarcasm, your last sentence is a good example.
What's the point of XDA if we're afraid to do anything to our devices?
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I don't want anybody to be afraid but I expect them to do their own homework and when they cut their sh*t up not come on here acting like a rotten punk and not willing to do any work to help themselves out.... Which is exactly what a 1-Click Apk breeds.., It tells them yay they were good enough to root device.. And they just dive into making other modifications especially on a device that has no fastboot capabilities and a locked bootloader I just don't think they should make anything that easy for a unit that is this hard to recover.. Because obviously you're not going to be here to help the ones that were ignorant enough to get an application to root device but not educated enough to accomplish any other modifications without bricking their units and then come back here implying that it's anybody else's responsibility but their own.... I'm sorry but most the ones here Bricked right right now can't even run batch application without asking how to double-click thre times ... Much less run ADB commands so stick around and help please... if this device had fastboot or unlocked bootloader. I personally would not give a damn

Well, towelroot was made for a variety of devices and just happens to work with the hdx. So are we supposed to pretend it doesn't work just because some people are not able to know what they can and can't do?
Another movie quote :
Forrest Gump "Stupid is as stupid does".
Don't be stupid with your expensive tablet, if you are it's your own damn fault.
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Lol. When the vroot method was posted a couple days ago the hdx forum was quite silent...
Then BOOM!
"OMG I BROKED MY TABLET! BRICKED HDX! *BLAH BLAH* BROKE MY TABLET! HELP!!!! HELP!!! BRICKED TAB! "
good warning for noobs.
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I made my toolkit to help people avoid bricking issues by waiting for proven methods that work and that I tested. I made it a menu and not a stooped down click and auto run installer. I wanted to give people the choice what they wanted to install, without risk bricking.
I guess people go outside the box for the "easy fix" to a complex problem. People and jobs are like that, doing some half assed thing to keep the wheels turning. I'm just blabbing now.
Be safe when messin' with the hdx. I play with stuff while on a rom slot to avoid a stock rom brick.

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Come on though, this XDA forums, isn't it? Anyone reading these threads should be well aware of the risks involved. With towelroot app rooting the device is simple, and not going to brick your tab. Being reckless and doing some of the other things you mention, well, sorry, but like Clint Eastwood says in Magnum Force, "A man's got to know his limitations".
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Obviously "anybody reading blah blah blah", isn't the case, as evident by the brick posts & my PM inbox. Sure, this is xda, but it's not the XDA it used to be. Part of that is because of the ease with which one can obtain root. You used to have to do everything manually, so you actually had to read, sometimes info for a completely different device, and then spend time figuring out how to apply it to your particular device. I am not saying nobody should root, frankly I do not care either way. What I am saying is that it is probably a bad idea for some people. Seriously, you think the guy that had no idea what Linux was, or the guy that thought you double click on the adb.exe to make it magically unbrick a device are good candidates for having unrestricted world writable access to a device? No. All you have to do is read some of the posts to know it isn't a good idea for some ill-prepared people & they obviously DIDN'T understand the consequences, otherwise they wouldn't have tried doing things that even the newest well informed member would ever try doing.
At any rate, this is what I think of now whenever I think of XDA, particularly the HDX forums lately. LMAO....

Say what?
Do any of you have anything useful to add besides your nanny pandering bull****? It's funny when you start digging for info on rooting a Kindle Fire HDX and this one of the first things you run across, a bunch of nannies moaning about it being too easy? Don't do it because you might break your toy because you are an idiot? Seriously? Is this a day care or am I missing something?

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Obviously "anybody reading blah blah blah", isn't the case, as evident by the brick posts & my PM inbox. Sure, this is xda, but it's not the XDA it used to be. Part of that is because of the ease with which one can obtain root. You used to have to do everything manually, so you actually had to read, sometimes info for a completely different device, and then spend time figuring out how to apply it to your particular device. I am not saying nobody should root, frankly I do not care either way. What I am saying is that it is probably a bad idea for some people. Seriously, you think the guy that had no idea what Linux was, or the guy that thought you double click on the adb.exe to make it magically unbrick a device are good candidates for having unrestricted world writable access to a device? No. All you have to do is read some of the posts to know it isn't a good idea for some ill-prepared people & they obviously DIDN'T understand the consequences, otherwise they wouldn't have tried doing things that even the newest well informed member would ever try doing.
At any rate, this is what I think of now whenever I think of XDA, particularly the HDX forums lately. LMAO....
Having Root does not cause any issues. People create the issues, but who are you tell tell everyone not to root. Its their device if they want to root by all means root it. EVERY ROM and RECOVERY I have ever flashed or created states that in the terms of use that there is a potential they could brick their device. Who cares about your PM's. If you dont want to help them dont help, but dont create a thread just to complain about people bricking their device.
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Thanks....but....
I'm not a developer....nor a hacker....nor a ...whatever.....just someone who enjoys reading and learning all that I can about my phone and Kindle Fire HDX....have rooted a variety of phones and Kindles through the years - first "mod" was to be able to download music and my own ringtones to a first edition Razr back in the day. I know there are so many people smarter than me - in some areas...not all - and I gratefully use that info and knowledge I get AT MY OWN RISK....as most people do, I think....the XDA site has over 5 million members - will there be some idiots who don't read or throw common sense and caution to the wind and screw up their devices?...sure....shame on them.
But if others with that knowledge have an elitist attitude about the rest of us - well - shame on them too. If someone knows how to make it easy for someone to be able to get the most of their device - while knowing the risks - BUT WON'T SHARE because they feel we don't 'deserve" that info - please....don't post! Just keep it to yourself and enjoy the fruits of your own labors.
PS...think it's a bit of a coincidence that when the romaster root surfaced - from a Chinese developer - all he** broke loose....it seems others had the knowledge but didn't want to share....oh well.....and please...this is just my humble opinion.
I appreciate all the efforts of the developers and testers who make it easier for people like me to really get the most out of their devices - but I think there is a reason that most of the major companies lock down theirs....to stop the ones who will stupidly brick the device and blame the company....thanks for reading.

I have
revircs said:
I'm not a developer....nor a hacker....nor a ...whatever.....just someone who enjoys reading and learning all that I can about my phone and Kindle Fire HDX....have rooted a variety of phones and Kindles through the years - first "mod" was to be able to download music and my own ringtones to a first edition Razr back in the day. I know there are so many people smarter than me - in some areas...not all - and I gratefully use that info and knowledge I get AT MY OWN RISK....as most people do, I think....the XDA site has over 5 million members - will there be some idiots who don't read or throw common sense and caution to the wind and screw up their devices?...sure....shame on them.
But if others with that knowledge have an elitist attitude about the rest of us - well - shame on them too. If someone knows how to make it easy for someone to be able to get the most of their device - while knowing the risks - BUT WON'T SHARE because they feel we don't 'deserve" that info - please....don't post! Just keep it to yourself and enjoy the fruits of your own labors.
PS...think it's a bit of a coincidence that when the romaster root surfaced - from a Chinese developer - all he** broke loose....it seems others had the knowledge but didn't want to share....oh well.....and please...this is just my humble opinion.
I appreciate all the efforts of the developers and testers who make it easier for people like me to really get the most out of their devices - but I think there is a reason that most of the major companies lock down theirs....to stop the ones who will stupidly brick the device and blame the company....thanks for reading.
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LOL I have noticed everybody that has chimed in about any complaints going on here have not been here to help recover in any of these devices last few days .. Trying to help people that refuse to help themselves.... I mean really we can only feed them so much info and babysit so much and get told please help please hello please help me . And when you attempt too. they have absolutely no clue of what you are talking about or what you're trying to get them to do it just looks too complicated so they keep asking for help... Expecting somebody here to make an easy one click.. To salvage their mistakes and keep their mommy and daddy from finding out they bricked their tablets.....and btw if this device wasnt soo fn locked down.. We would not be having this discussion because recovery of a brick would be easy with fastboot capabilities and unlock bootloader click click done. So I call BS honestly over the last few years out of all these devices I've been here in xda tinkering with.. The only time see false warranty claims are always on devices that are locked up tight.

If they refuse to help themselves then don't help them. Claiming that something shouldn't be easy and the fear mongering and elitism aren't helping anyone. Instead of trying to be a nanny document the known problems and work arounds if there are any. If you don't want to do that then don't. Save the other BS for your significant other cause no one else worth concerning yourself with wants to hear it. This thread is pointless, people here want to root their devices for any number of reasons; they why's don't matter and if it goes south it's not your problem.

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If they refuse to help themselves then don't help them. Claiming that something shouldn't be easy and the fear mongering and elitism aren't helping anyone. Instead of trying to be a nanny document the known problems and work arounds if there are any. If you don't want to do that then don't. Save the other BS for your significant other cause no one else worth concerning yourself with wants to hear it. This thread is pointless, people here want to root their devices for any number of reasons; they why's don't matter and if it goes south it's not your problem.
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I understand your point and this thread was not started as a wine fest it was supposed to be started for a fair warning I can't help it if he had a sarcastic tone to his voice from trying to help ignorant people all weekend and I think it's hilarious how people are chiming in complaining about our complaints but none of them have been here to help all the ignorant folk ... I'm just saying as one that has been here for the last five days repairing brick or trying to help that is ... Is a lot of and uneeded tension here I understand .. And it is turning" quite the Flamer thread ... So instead of chiming here to complain about our complaint and tell us to keep our complaints to ourselves as you are here complaining your self .. Please go to the general section or the troubleshooting section and start helping people... For example help him http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2783591