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AT&T hasn't enabled 4G on any device because they haven't FINISHED setting it up yet. Give them time, you guys are so impatient about this 4G garbage, there is a reason why they're taking their time, did you guys forget what happened with the iPhone when it started to use 3G. They're going to make sure they won't get flooded and they'll have enough to go around. I've got a few friends that work for the network engineering department and i've been told by them that the network isn't fully set so 4G isn't fully activated yet. Quit complaining, it's a good thing that its not up yet because then you guys would REALLY *****!
the phone is called 'atrix 4g' and they are toting it as a 4g phone. How unreasonable that we might have expectations of it.. lolz
4G meaning it has the capability to do 4G! Doesn't mean it will have it right off the bat...you know when you buy the phone AT&T tells you that the 4G network isn't up. If you bought it without paying attention on what the guys told you, then it is all your fault for buying it thinking it will have 4G instantly... just give them time, AT&T is always known to have the most efficient network out of all. May not be the most reliable but they are the fastest.
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..May not be the most reliable but they are the fastest.
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someone is wrong on the internet, i'm calling the 4chan police.
1. Its not.capable of 4g. The htc thunderbolt is the only 4g phone. Do some research
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Will hspa+ even come close to Verizon's lte?
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LTE has currently a download peak of 326.4 Mbps (40.8 Mbps real time-speed) also counting that LTE is using a 1.4-20 MHz frequency range. LTE would have higher speed capabilities if it wasn't being hogged by the air interference, then it would possibly run at 71 Mbps real-time speed
HSPA+ is still in development and running at a download peak of 672Mbps (84 Mbps real-time speed) also counting that HPSA+ is only using a 5 MHz frequency range.
These aren't the exact fact of what AT&T or Verizon has but it is the capability, LTE has been live since 2004 globaly while HSPA+ has only been up since 2009. LTE is becoming old while HSPA WILL be the future. Just because LTE is currently faster doesn't mean it will be for long. When HSPA+ goes fully live with AT&T you may see a quicker speed, There are networks around the world that put HSPA+ up currently at 42 Mbps real-time
What if the Thunderbolt wouldn't have LTE until next year?
It would be laughed to the curb. The only reason people still by atrixs is because we've become accustomed to AT&T being a bunch of greedy cheapskates.
At&T says you "might see speeds up to approximately 6mbps [at best]"
http://www.wireless.att.com/answer-...locale=&_dyncharset=UTF-8&solutionId=KB115947
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The funniest thing is that 4G in the USA isn't the same as in Sweden. We've got 4G here as well. But the thing is that your 4G is about the same as your 3G if I ain't misinformed.
Our 4G is <80Mbit/s
http://www.tele2.se/mobilt-bredband/4g.html?cmpid=se.search.2011.s.google.cpc
also i forgot to say, AT&T will be using HSPA+ as an addon because LTE will soon be introduced to them sometime at the end of this year....so yeah utilizing more antennas meaning more speeds... =)
Yeah, I don't think people are as upset about not getting 4G speeds as they are upset about very often not even getting 3G speeds. The upload speeds on this phone are atrocious, and quite often the download speeds are as well.
But, hey, thanks for your post containing information we all already know.
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AT&T hasn't enabled 4G on any device because they haven't FINISHED setting it up yet. Give them time, you guys are so impatient about this 4G garbage, there is a reason why they're taking their time, did you guys forget what happened with the iPhone when it started to use 3G. They're going to make sure they won't get flooded and they'll have enough to go around. I've got a few friends that work for the network engineering department and i've been told by them that the network isn't fully set so 4G isn't fully activated yet. Quit complaining, it's a good thing that its not up yet because then you guys would REALLY *****!
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It's funny that you titled this "quick fact" when you haven't stated any facts whatsoever. You sound like an AT&T press statement. Plus, you can't compare the Atrix, or the Inspire for that matter, to the iPhone. Whereas the iPhone had sold over a million in the first 3 months of it's release, I doubt the Atrix and Inspire will reach 100,000 in that same time frame combined. This was deceptive marketing, plain and simple. AT&T covers their butt with small print and they more than likely trained the employees to avoid discussion on actual H+ rollout. There's a reason the story made it to Engadget and other tech sites when it was found that data speeds were capped on these phones, it's because AT&T didn't want anyone to know.
The major complaint isn't not having 4G its ATT capping our upload and giving all the bandwidth to their favorite child the iphone. Its just a bit upsetting that I pay the same monthly as any iphone user out there yet I get subpar service. I think what we all want is to have service like what is given to iphoners and that alone would quiet the masses about the lack of 4G.
PS. I live in Orlando a place I was told numerous times was a test city for their 4G yet no 4G here all I'm left with is a crippled 3G network that I no longer get good signal inside my own home. I think that's evetyones gripe with ATT
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The funniest thing is that 4G in the USA isn't the same as in Sweden. We've got 4G here as well. But the thing is that your 4G is about the same as your 3G if I ain't misinformed.
Our 4G is <80Mbit/s
http://www.tele2.se/mobilt-bredband/4g.html?cmpid=se.search.2011.s.google.cpc
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The thing is that theres more than 200million wireless users in America and have to share the OTA data bandwidth. In Sweden theres a lot less people therefore everyone gets faster speeds.
For all those who are saying be patient. What if you went out and bought a new Ferrari capable of going 200mph. Only to find out the factory limited it to only 70mph. Here you are getting passed on the highway every day by moms in their mini vans. All the while you're being told by the factory that eventually we'll take off the governor so just sit there and shut up. I think you would be a bit upset.
the OP sounds like a AT&T rep...
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The major complaint isn't not having 4G its ATT capping our upload and giving all the bandwidth to their favorite child the iphone. Its just a bit upsetting that I pay the same monthly as any iphone user out there yet I get subpar service. I think what we all want is to have service like what is given to iphoners and that alone would quiet the masses about the lack of 4G.
PS. I live in Orlando a place I was told numerous times was a test city for their 4G yet no 4G here all I'm left with is a crippled 3G network that I no longer get good signal inside my own home. I think that's evetyones gripe with ATT
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the OP sounds like a AT&T rep...
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Not to me, an ATT rep would know that ATT claims to have rolled out HSDPA+ across their entire footprint, while at the same time admitting that backhaul is far from complete. HSDPA+ is of course the justification for tagging the Atrix and Inspire as 4G.
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Not to me, an Art rep would know that Art claims to have rolled out HSDPA+ across their entire footprint, while at the same time.admitting that nackhaul is far.from complete. HSDPA+ is of course the.justification for tagging the Atrix and Inspire as 4G.
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Regardless if he's a rep or not, for the most part a forum like XDA was created as an act of defiance to the restrictions that carriers and manufactures have imposed on their products. So, why would anyone want to come in here and defend AT&T, or any carrier/manufacturer? It automatically makes you sound like a "plant".
I'm not trying to negate what you are saying, I agree with you. I just wanted to throw that out there.
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For all those who are saying be patient. What if you went out and bought a new Ferrari capable of going 200mph. Only to find out the factory limited it to only 70mph. Here you are getting passed on the highway every day by moms in their mini vans. All the while you're being told by the factory that eventually we'll take off the governor so just sit there and shut up. I think you would be a bit upset.
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Where can you go 200mph legally(or over 70 even in the US)? That's what I don't get. I understand high speed internet for home computers, you download and stream stuff all day. But on a cellphone, 3-4mbps is plenty fast.
'But I pay for 4g speeds!'
No you don't. You pay the same as any 3g device, with the same exact service. Get over yourself.
I've been reading lots of articles relating to this and some that date back to early February. Yet I haven't heard much when it comes to making moves to making this happen. What's everyone's thoughts on this happening?
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Impossible from what I understand nope cause is the next step for GSM network, and that's y thunderbolt uses a sim card, Idk if Verizon will become GSM in the future tho, in some countries cdma carriers have banish and became GSM but Verizon is huge in US so not idea
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I've been reading lots of articles relating to this and some that date back to early February. Yet I haven't heard much when it comes to making moves to making this happen. What's everyone's thoughts on this happening?
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It would be kinda hard considering the evo has no lte radio.
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I've been reading lots of articles relating to this and some that date back to early February. Yet I haven't heard much when it comes to making moves to making this happen. What's everyone's thoughts on this happening?
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...where? I am pretty sure it is impossible.
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This would be quite an easy conversion considering the frequencies are quite similar and would just require a chip change at the towers
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Hardware??
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This would be quite an easy conversion considering the frequencies are quite similar and would just require a chip change at the towers
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I dont think the evo has the required hardware to use lte
It would be a change in the lte towers
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The phones a year old, easiest answer as to why...No
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This would be quite an easy conversion considering the frequencies are quite similar and would just require a chip change at the towers
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My God, do you even know what you're taling about?!
Verizon LTE chips work on 700mHz frequency. The WiMAX chips used on Sprint phones only work on 2.4gHz. How are these ridiculously different frequencies "quite similar"?
It's impossible. It's never happening. This thread should be closed.
I have heard alot of talk of how the hardware is very very similar its just software does not allow it, but could be changed to allow it. They even have panels that transmit WiMax and LTE. But as for the Cell phones I am not so sure.
that's really ****ing weird that the sprint CEO has been trying to work a deal out ...give me a second and ill get a link that u shove up ur trolling ass sideways
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My God, do you even know what you're taling about?!
Verizon LTE chips work on 700mHz frequency. The WiMAX chips used on Sprint phones only work on 2.4gHz. How are these ridiculously different frequencies "quite similar"?
It's impossible. It's never happening. This thread should be closed.
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There's a lot of confusion about this......
Yes, WiMAX and LTE really are similar technologies, and yes, Sprint could very well convert WiMAX to LTE with relative ease. HOWEVER, we're talking about changes at the tower level, not for phones.
LTE on sprint would require new phones with new chips. The EVO will never, E V E R be able to run LTE. EVER.
Instead of looking up stuff that doesn't exist, try to understand the difference between a troll and post that is actually factual and informative from someone who actually knows what he's talking about.
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Put it this way....u can buy an lte radio and then if/when they upgrade the towers to lte u can install the radio and try it out. Lol
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From all articles it states an evo could use lte with a change at the tower level
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http://m.gizmodo.com/5167321/sprint-testing-lte-equipment-whither-wimax
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http://m.gizmodo.com/5167321/sprint-testing-lte-equipment-whither-wimax
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And that has to do with the Evo how?
Do you think the EVO will ever get a C Band patch?
Yea...no. LTE uses different hardware from wimax in the tower AND the phone. It's supposedly easy to upgrade a wimax TOWER to an LTE tower, but in order to make the phone compatible with LTE, it needs a new LTE radio.
Unless Sprint and HTC are going to upgrade this phone (with the 3D supposedly coming in the summer) I would say this is definitely, positively not possible.
I'd be happy if they could master getting 3g to work. I live in the 2nd largest city in New York and waiting for 4g service reminds me of how it must be living in the rural areas and being able to only get a DSL connection. Anything over 256 kbps is cause for celebration. I don't care if they connect with a soup can and a string as long as they start providing the service performance they were advertising when I bought the phone. I got my EVO the day it was released, almost a year ago now, and you could litterally see the band width dropping month by month as the EVO's began gaining market share and taxing the system. If Sprint doesn't get it together soon I'll be considering paying the freight and moving to Verizon. They got neat phones too.
Yup...I live in northeast Wisconsin and with full bars of 3g connection I get about 200 kb down and 300 kb up ...its quite ridiculous how flooded the towers are ...if I go to a smaller city I get 2500kb down ...
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I'd be happy if they could master getting 3g to work. I live in the 2nd largest city in New York and waiting for 4g service reminds me of how it must be living in the rural areas and being able to only get a DSL connection. Anything over 512kbps is cause for celebration. I don't care if they connect with a soup can and a string as long as they start providing the service performance they were advertising when I bought the phone. I got my EVO the day it was released, almost a year ago now, and you could litterally see the band width dropping month by month as the EVO's began gaining market share and taxing the system. If Sprint doesn't get it together soon I'll be considering paying the freight and moving to Verizon. They got neat phones too.
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After watching this video I'm starting to wonder if sprint is intentionally slow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd7taHnHzcg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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I've been less than a mile from a tower and have my connection suck. In a open air environment to.
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I can't watch that video rgt now cuz I'm on VZW 1x lolol
What is it?
And sprint has been slow on 3g since the evo came out
Before that, sprint was worthy of its name
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I can't watch that video rgt now cuz I'm on VZW 1x lolol
What is it?
And sprint has been slow on 3g since the evo came out
Before that, sprint was worthy of its name
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"Sprint - to run at full speed"
How ironic lol
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If verizon wasn't so damn expensive I would go there. I think sprint good prices and plan is the reason they won't up the speed of there network. Its not like sprint don't have the technology to do so.
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My speeds depend on which tower I'm connected to. The one on the main road has good signal but crappy speeds, and the tower at work is 1-2 bars but steady 2 mbps. I also work in the boonies and there are probably only 5 people connected to it.
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After watching this video I'm starting to wonder if sprint is intentionally slow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd7taHnHzcg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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You could argue that all carriers are slow. It depends on the tower, prl, and etc, as well as how much you tweak your phone's radio-dependent files, but ruling out those factors, it truly does matter on your data plan. Most, if not all carriers cap your speeds when you're on unlimited plans, those who are on data limits are the ones who truly get no cap, although it doesn't matter because they have a limit, so its as if they're capped anyway.
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You could argue that all carriers are slow. It depends on the tower, prl, and etc, as well as how much you tweak your phone's radio-dependent files, but ruling out those factors, it truly does matter on your data plan. Most, if not all carriers cap your speeds when you're on unlimited plans, those who are on data limits are the ones who truly get no cap, although it doesn't matter because they have a limit, so its as if they're capped anyway.
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Sprint claims they don't cap under any circumstances. I think the problem is that Sprint simply doesn't know how to maintain their network well enough to keep up with the demand.
I've whined about this endlessly but I'll give a little example of what I'm talking about. My wife and I drove back to our apartment in the city from upstate NY this morning. We had Spotify going the entire time and at no point did we have any skips or gaps in songs during playback. As soon as we got in our neighborhood, however, the song we were listening to cut began getting choppy before eventually cutting out completely. In the time it took us to find a parking spot - about 5 or so minutes - the song cut out for about 4:50 before coming back with a choppy signal. Sprint has told me a few dozen times that there's a problem with a tower in this neighborhood that somehow never gets fixed. Let's face it, if Sprint can't get their network working reliably in NYC, what does that say about their competence?
The problem is Sprint hasn't invested in their network or backhaul since they came out with data plans back in 2003-2004.
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The problem is Sprint hasn't invested in their network or backhaul since they came out with data plans back in 2003-2004.
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This exactly.
Now they are, unfortunately for us it's going to take a little to see the results.
The mere insinuation that Sprint would be slow [in some areas as slow at 50k] on purpose is...well... I'll be nice and say it isn't smart.
I think sprint is playing smart by saying unlimited data for ad but actually they can only serve very slow speeds everybody.
this in turn make me use less data because I rely on my wifi. A win win situation for the sprint but not for customers.
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I think sprint is playing smart by saying unlimited data for ad but actually they can only serve very slow speeds everybody.
this in turn make me use less data because I rely on my wifi. A win win situation for the sprint but not for customers.
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not sure if this is there intention per se but there's certainly some truth to it. I've got friends who have AT&T iPhones and they routinely go over 5 gigs of data in a month with streaming and whatnot. I've never cracked 600 megs with my Epic because the data speeds are too slow - why would I try to download several gigabytes of data when my downstream tops out a .30 Mbps? when I can get on 4G it's great but it usually knocks me off intermittently until I just give up and switch back to 3G.
I'm just waiting for tons of new iPhone users come in and swarm the Sprint severs and experience the true unlimited data with 10~500kbps speed.
I hope they form and do some kind of class action lawsuit so I can pitch in.
From a user who gets consistent 10~30 kbps in downtown.
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I'm just waiting for tons of new iPhone users come in and swarm the Sprint severs and experience the true unlimited data with 10~500kbps speed.
I hope they form and do some kind of class action lawsuit so I can pitch in.
From a user who gets consistent 10~30 kbps in downtown.
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I saw ~20 people in the Sprint store this weekend just for the Iphone.
So i guess it not just my crapy little town
If they tried to give full speed to everyone, we would all be taxing the bandwidth, creating a data traffic jam - no data for anyone. (this isn't necessarily an accurate description, I can't claim to know all - but the concept is sound)
The bandwidth is inherently shared, so they have to make sure that everyone gets enough to consider it more than useless.
There is no such thing as truly unlimited bandwidth... Anyone remember when cable internet first came out? It was fast as hell, until prices came down and a few of my neighbors got on board
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I'm just waiting for tons of new iPhone users come in and swarm the Sprint severs and experience the true unlimited data with 10~500kbps speed.
I hope they form and do some kind of class action lawsuit so I can pitch in.
From a user who gets consistent 10~30 kbps in downtown.
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Good idea - sue them for all they're worth. Then they go bankrupt, and we're all left with Verizon, AT&T or T mobile (or crappy prepaid, which typically piggy backs on the major carrier's networks...)
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sigh.. is there no other alternatives then Sprint?
I know Sprint is cheap, but this slowness is too much.
What's the point of unlimited data when I just rely on my wifi.
In this rate, I can take 200mb option from ATT. Because I cant use that much in sprint.
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sigh.. is there no other alternatives then Sprint?
I know Sprint is cheap, but this slowness is too much.
What's the point of unlimited data when I just rely on my wifi.
In this rate, I can take 200mb option from ATT. Because I cant use that much in sprint.
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Get a T-Mobile vibrant then unlock it and put in an att sim card. Tell att you want the $15 unlimited data plan for quick messaging phones and give them your imei. If they ask what your phone is tell them it's just an old samsung tmobile phone and mention nothing about android or the real name of the phone, Enjoy.
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If they tried to give full speed to everyone, we would all be taxing the bandwidth, creating a data traffic jam - no data for anyone. (this isn't necessarily an accurate description, I can't claim to know all - but the concept is sound)
The bandwidth is inherently shared, so they have to make sure that everyone gets enough to consider it more than useless.
There is no such thing as truly unlimited bandwidth... Anyone remember when cable internet first came out? It was fast as hell, until prices came down and a few of my neighbors got on board
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I'm sure everything you are saying is true. The problem is that Sprint claims they don't limit bandwidth or throttle at all. And it's the line of bulls--t from Sprint that angers me more than their pathetically slow service. That they can't just come forward and speak the truth rather than trying to lure customers in with false promises is a deceptive business practice.
It should be class action for all not just iPhone ppl on sprint.
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I can't connect to 4G and I'm right next to a Wimax tower. ;/
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Not for another year or so... tower could be down...
So they a completely saying screw you to all the so called 4g phones even though for what 2 years we have been paying a extra 10 bucks per line?
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So they a completely saying screw you to all the so called 4g phones even though for what 2 years we have been paying a extra 10 bucks per line?
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What? First off iPhone has no 4G and they pay the premium data charge too. You don't like it go pay $50 for the 5GB cap on AT&T. Second off Wimax will be around until at least 2015 with the current Clear unlimited use contract Sprint has. They may negotiate a usage contract after that if there are still enough Imax users out there. Sprint is putting all there efforts into expanding their 3G and 4GLTE.
If you have no 4G today op it is most likely a tower down for repair or upgrade.
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It was being wonky in Baltimore,Maryland yesterday. On a somewhat related note, how far is the range of a WiMAX tower? When I get WiMAX on the highway, I'm assuming through highway towers, 4G jumps in and out to the point where it's better to turn it off and let the retarded phone jump from 3G to 1x over and over because 4G drops to 3G at least every minute and can't be guaranteed to come back. I wouldn't really mind if they killed WiMAX towers. I don't get it at home and from what I can tell it's complete **** for people who can get it. I went to NYC for a weekend expecting the city to be blanketed in nice 4G goodness. Speeds were about 1.5x 3G and coverage was horrid.
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It was being wonky in Baltimore,Maryland yesterday. On a somewhat related note, how far is the range of a WiMAX tower? When I get WiMAX on the highway, I'm assuming through highway towers, 4G jumps in and out to the point where it's better to turn it off and let the retarded phone jump from 3G to 1x over and over because 4G drops to 3G at least every minute and can't be guaranteed to come back. I wouldn't really mind if they killed WiMAX towers. I don't get it at home and from what I can tell it's complete **** for people who can get it. I went to NYC for a weekend expecting the city to be blanketed in nice 4G goodness. Speeds were about 1.5x 3G and coverage was horrid.
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Sounds like Sprint service in MN. Praying LTE turns it around and their promised 3G speed increase gets here sooner than later. My brother gets 25 mb down on VZW LTE.
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It was being wonky in Baltimore,Maryland yesterday. On a somewhat related note, how far is the range of a WiMAX tower? When I get WiMAX on the highway, I'm assuming through highway towers, 4G jumps in and out to the point where it's better to turn it off and let the retarded phone jump from 3G to 1x over and over because 4G drops to 3G at least every minute and can't be guaranteed to come back. I wouldn't really mind if they killed WiMAX towers. I don't get it at home and from what I can tell it's complete **** for people who can get it. I went to NYC for a weekend expecting the city to be blanketed in nice 4G goodness. Speeds were about 1.5x 3G and coverage was horrid.
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I get 9 mb down consistently on 4g.. some spots are horrible, but others get prety decent speed on wimx...
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I get 9 mb down consistently on 4g.. some spots are horrible, but others get prety decent speed on wimx...
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I can see a Wimax tower from my house, about 1000' away. Still have to go outside to use it and only get about 7 down.
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I can see a Wimax tower from my house, about 1000' away. Still have to go outside to use it and only get about 7 down.
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I wouldn't call 7 down great, but I wouldn't call it bad either..
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I wouldn't call 7 down great, but I wouldn't call it bad either..
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Wouldn't call it the 23 my buddy gets with Verizon.
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I wouldn't call 7 down great, but I wouldn't call it bad either..
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Wimax's maximum potential is 10 mbs... so 70% of the maximum potential isn't great?
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Wimax's maximum potential is 10 mbs... so 70% of the maximum potential isn't great?
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Was unaware that Wimax only went to 10. If the numbers between Wimax and LTE were as different then as they are today, I can only wonder if Dan Hesse knows how to read.
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Wouldn't call it the 23 my buddy gets with Verizon.
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Dude! That's slow compared to my experience with Verizon LTE. My city is fortunate to have steady cell signal but otherwise it's a small hick town that carriers don't care about. My VZW friend get 30 to 40 Mbps down on LTE. Closest WiMAX is an hour and a half away.
And... Why the hell would Sprint sign a contract with a technology that makes out at 1/4 of the technology Verizon was working on? Or is it that the bastards cap us?
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So back to Wimax being shut down...
Sprint will have wimax working for the life of your phone. Even if they and Clear both switch to LTE, and even if they have to extend their contract with Clear to do it.
Just look at how long they kept iden functioning, long after they stopped selling the phones. Wimax will be very much the same.
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I have got pretty decent 4G speeds in Baltimore, but not so much in DC.
Still, it has never been a real concern for me, as I use WiFi at the 2 places I go most, and 3G has actually been rather stable for me in both DC and Baltimore.
Like so many have said... its all... location, location, location...
You are correct, DC. I travel extensively for my job, and I see major differences in each city. And, the Epic being such a complex unit, it probably varies phone-to-phone. I'm gling to Cleveland today and tomorrow, and I have historically always had the fastest and best 4G connections in Cle. Likewise, in New York, I sputter and strain on 4G. Home in Orlando, its 5 minutes on, 5 minutes off.
If they are just turning off the lights on iDEN now, I'll bet we see WiMax for several more years. Think of all those OG Evo's they sold on opening day in June 2010.....
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Ha, it's funny you mention it, but I noticed a stronger 4G connection in Tampa yesterday. I was in the same spot I always am when using 4G and I was getting a faster speed. I even when inside, where I normally don't get 4G and got a lock.
Still 4g where I live pretty close to Baltimore. Waiting for LTE here to upgrade.
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And... Why the hell would Sprint sign a contract with a technology that makes out at 1/4 of the technology Verizon was working on? Or is it that the bastards cap us?
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Yes, because Sprint looked into the future to see what technology their competitors would eventually use, and made sure to pick a slower one... it definitely didn't have anything to do with the fact that wimax was deployed months before lte, or the forward-flowing direction of time
But on a serious note, back when Sprint chose which tech to invest in, early reports indicated that wimax had better buildng penetration (relative to the power input). What good is a fast data connection that you have to go outside to use it? Sprint went with the best option for their budget, so they could provide a 4G connection without losing their competitive pricing (or their profit - it likely would have been one or the other, with the same long-term result)
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Kind of off topic but with lte will it be the same lte for all service providers or is the frequency different for each company?
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Hey everyone just saw the articles all over tech sites about softbanks majority takeover of Sprint Nextel and since this is the HTC EVO 4G OG section and most (certainly not all) are currently or have in the past Been with Sprint, I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on the issue. Good move? Why? Bad move why? Will it help bring Sprint life? Future of Simply Everything plans? Talk it up just keep it civil and friendly.
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Pretty sure this thread belongs elsewhere. Here is a link to the story. Doesn't sound as though the deal is done, as you implied.
http://mobile.businessweek.com/news...al-to-buy-70-percent-of-sprint-for-20-billion
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FinZ28 said:
Pretty sure this thread belongs elsewhere. Here is a link to the story. Doesn't sound as though the deal is done, as you implied.
http://mobile.businessweek.com/news...al-to-buy-70-percent-of-sprint-for-20-billion
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There's a newer article out. Reporting it is indeed finished and should be announced today. I'll find the link. But apologies if this doesn't belong I see much more "off topic threads" here Luke I want a GS3 blah blah figure this is somewhat on topic. As the OG EVO WAS a Sprint exclusive and so at one point every EVO was configured or running on Sprint. While I'm sure many of them (me for one) are still on Sprint and this could have a large impact on people. Again if I violated anything a MOD can surely close this or move it to where it belongs.
Here is the link: Japan’s Softbank to Acquire Majority Stake in Sprint for $20B http://mashable.com/2012/10/14/softbank-to-acquire-sprint/
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Gotcha. I stand corrected.
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I think this is a great thing for Sprint on the short term, kind of skeptical if it will be good for us consumers in the long run. I also find it somewhat sad that one company that has some sizeable debt, has just purchased a controlling share in another company with even greater debt, and I believe must of had to make this deal on credit.... Wish I could do that ****, dem bastards... :banghead:
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jamieg71 said:
I think this is a great thing for Sprint on the short term, kind of skeptical if it will be good for us consumers in the long run. I also find it somewhat sad that one company that has some sizeable debt, has just purchased a controlling share in another company with even greater debt, and I believe must of had to make this deal on credit.... Wish I could do that ****, dem bastards... :banghead:
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Yea I'm leaning the same way after more looking into. Hopefully this can be the influx of cash Sprint needs to.build the new networks faster and start drawing more customers. I just hope they keep the simply everything plans. I think that's a big plus for them. If they can't use this to get going again then nothing will.
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SuperiorEVOlution18 said:
Yea I'm leaning the same way after more looking into. Hopefully this can be the influx of cash Sprint needs to.build the new networks faster and start drawing more customers. I just hope they keep the simply everything plans. I think that's a big plus for them. If they can't use this to get going again then nothing will.
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This^ Unlimited everything (besides land line calls) is amazing. Not to mention their plans are cheaper. The only thing left, IMO, to get more people to move over is to get more 4g coverage. I know they are expanding more...and I just heard I'm getting 4g by me which I didn't think would come for a few more years so that's a plus for me
As long as this buy out doesn't run Sprint into the ground, then it should be a good thing.
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This^ Unlimited everything (besides land line calls) is amazing. Not to mention their plans are cheaper. The only thing left, IMO, to get more people to move over is to get more 4g coverage. I know they are expanding more...and I just heard I'm getting 4g by me which I didn't think would come for a few more years so that's a plus for me
As long as this buy out doesn't run Sprint into the ground, then it should be a good thing.
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Agreed most people agree the up front cash will allow them to build out the LTE network faster. Which is good. Hopefully the broader the 4G range 3g speeds will improve as well since less traffic.
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Not 'finished'....
BTW, this is LONG from 'finished', this is just the announcement of the agreement... there's still a LONG due diligence period that is only now starting along with required regulatory reviews. I doubt this will be 'finished' until 2nd quarter 2013, if not later.
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This^ Unlimited everything (besides land line calls) is amazing. Not to mention their plans are cheaper. The only thing left, IMO, to get more people to move over is to get more 4g coverage. I know they are expanding more...and I just heard I'm getting 4g by me which I didn't think would come for a few more years so that's a plus for me
As long as this buy out doesn't run Sprint into the ground, then it should be a good thing.
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You get what you pay for. Sprint's 4G is lacking and so is their 3G speeds. Getting consistent performance is out of question. Yeah the data is unlimited but that's it. Verizon has family share plans for $40/phone and shared data starting at $50/month. You could spend anywhere from $15-35 a month depending upon your data usage but Verizon at least in Los Angeles is worth every penny. Sprint will be nowhere near that kind of coverage for the next couple of years and I am tired of signing contracts based on promises of better data.
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You get what you pay for. Sprint's 4G is lacking and so is their 3G speeds. Getting consistent performance is out of question. Yeah the data is unlimited but that's it. Verizon has family share plans for $40/phone and shared data starting at $50/month. You could spend anywhere from $15-35 a month depending upon your data usage but Verizon at least in Los Angeles is worth every penny. Sprint will be nowhere near that kind of coverage for the next couple of years and I am tired of signing contracts based on promises of better data.
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Yeah what-ever, I'm pulling on average 17-20MB/sec down on 4G and no less than 1.5 on 3G. Verizon locks down bootloaders worse than Sprint has ever contemplated, and just wait till you go a few gigs over your "allowance" and get hit with the 2-3 hundred dollar overage. Everyone I know on Verizon complains, but to each his own.
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Yeah what-ever, I'm pulling on average 17-20MB/sec down on 4G and no less than 1.5 on 3G. Verizon locks down bootloaders worse than Sprint has ever contemplated, and just wait till you go a few gigs over your "allowance" and get hit with the 2-3 hundred dollar overage. Everyone I know on Verizon complains, but to each his own.
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I'm guessing those 4G speeds are on your EVO LTE?
FinZ28 said:
I'm guessing those 4G speeds are on your EVO LTE?
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Yessir
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I read on Engadget today that Sprint bought like 50.8% of Clearwire. I wonder if our how that affects this deal
I hope that by buying half of clearwire, it improves 3g speeds.
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jamieg71 said:
Yeah what-ever, I'm pulling on average 17-20MB/sec down on 4G and no less than 1.5 on 3G. Verizon locks down bootloaders worse than Sprint has ever contemplated, and just wait till you go a few gigs over your "allowance" and get hit with the 2-3 hundred dollar overage. Everyone I know on Verizon complains, but to each his own.
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Whatever works for you man. I guess Sprint has Independence covered like a blanket I guess. BTW, each phone on the shared plan with Verizon gives you a good idea where you stand on data. If you feel you're about to go over, you can go to the next level.
I've been with Sprint for a long time and really wish the 4G coverage was better but when you lose to metropcs in a major market then that is a problem.
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I read on Engadget today that Sprint bought like 50.8% of Clearwire. I wonder if our how that affects this deal
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I'm pretty sure Softbank wanted Sprint to be in control of clearwire as per the agreement. But like it was mentioned the Grand ole Government still has to give the ok for this so it'll be at least 6+ months.
I also have to side with Jamie here I had Verizon for a while (pre-smartphone days) and their service was great but lately as a huge Root fan I'd never go back. They are locking down the bootloaders on so many of the best devices like he SG3 and another one I'm forgetting but they have plans to lockdown more in the future. And while Sprint isn't the biggest Root supporter they at least leave that door unlocked. nd once they get the LTE network built out speeds WILL improve, we already have it here in Baltimore and my buddies Gnex is pulling a consistent 20-25mb/sec which for us Sprint users is Freaking a god send lol. Combine that will never having to worry about Data which I use about 5-7 gb/month I'm sticking right there with them. Until they are a huge success or die off lol
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Cool story! I dropped sprint strictly because coverage in my area was very spotty. I have no regrets about it and if they fixed the network I'd go back in a heart beat...I just got tired of hearing about how my market was always next in line...blah blah blah. I also have no issue with verizon. The phone I picked was easily unlocked... that is more research based..all carriers should have a Google phone that can be unlocked. Data is not an issue...WiFi is every where anyways...even at the gym. I pay just as much now as I did with sprint... but dont drop calls...and since I am military and have a wife at home with my kids...an on demand call is a must. I also know Verizon has the better freq. Band... sure in the higher MHz you will get faster speeds..but the coverage area isn't as big...its all give and take. I am rooting for sprint...but just got tired of waiting....I love capitalism and choice...so I switched to who I feel deserved my money!
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Cool story! I dropped sprint strictly because coverage in my area was very spotty. I have no regrets about it and if they fixed the network I'd go back in a heart beat...I just got tired of hearing about how my market was always next in line...blah blah blah. I also have no issue with verizon. The phone I picked was easily unlocked... that is more research based..all carriers should have a Google phone that can be unlocked. Data is not an issue...WiFi is every where anyways...even at the gym. I pay just as much now as I did with sprint... but dont drop calls...and since I am military and have a wife at home with my kids...an on demand call is a must. I also know Verizon has the better freq. Band... sure in the higher MHz you will get faster speeds..but the coverage area isn't as big...its all give and take. I am rooting for sprint...but just got tired of waiting....I love capitalism and choice...so I switched to who I feel deserved my money!
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All very good reasons to switch. Yea I'd rank Verizon over ATT&t but the those locked bootloaders. I havent checking in a while but the locked sgs3 was a huge ordeal being locked. That kinda thing makes me mad. It's OUR Devices not the carriers and if I want to root then I have that right.
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On my og I get 5-10 mb in a town near my house which is unblievable :what:
Edit: sorry lol the 15-19mb is from my LTE in Chicago
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