AT&T hasn't enabled 4G on any device because they haven't FINISHED setting it up yet. Give them time, you guys are so impatient about this 4G garbage, there is a reason why they're taking their time, did you guys forget what happened with the iPhone when it started to use 3G. They're going to make sure they won't get flooded and they'll have enough to go around. I've got a few friends that work for the network engineering department and i've been told by them that the network isn't fully set so 4G isn't fully activated yet. Quit complaining, it's a good thing that its not up yet because then you guys would REALLY *****!
the phone is called 'atrix 4g' and they are toting it as a 4g phone. How unreasonable that we might have expectations of it.. lolz
4G meaning it has the capability to do 4G! Doesn't mean it will have it right off the bat...you know when you buy the phone AT&T tells you that the 4G network isn't up. If you bought it without paying attention on what the guys told you, then it is all your fault for buying it thinking it will have 4G instantly... just give them time, AT&T is always known to have the most efficient network out of all. May not be the most reliable but they are the fastest.
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..May not be the most reliable but they are the fastest.
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someone is wrong on the internet, i'm calling the 4chan police.
1. Its not.capable of 4g. The htc thunderbolt is the only 4g phone. Do some research
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Will hspa+ even come close to Verizon's lte?
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LTE has currently a download peak of 326.4 Mbps (40.8 Mbps real time-speed) also counting that LTE is using a 1.4-20 MHz frequency range. LTE would have higher speed capabilities if it wasn't being hogged by the air interference, then it would possibly run at 71 Mbps real-time speed
HSPA+ is still in development and running at a download peak of 672Mbps (84 Mbps real-time speed) also counting that HPSA+ is only using a 5 MHz frequency range.
These aren't the exact fact of what AT&T or Verizon has but it is the capability, LTE has been live since 2004 globaly while HSPA+ has only been up since 2009. LTE is becoming old while HSPA WILL be the future. Just because LTE is currently faster doesn't mean it will be for long. When HSPA+ goes fully live with AT&T you may see a quicker speed, There are networks around the world that put HSPA+ up currently at 42 Mbps real-time
What if the Thunderbolt wouldn't have LTE until next year?
It would be laughed to the curb. The only reason people still by atrixs is because we've become accustomed to AT&T being a bunch of greedy cheapskates.
At&T says you "might see speeds up to approximately 6mbps [at best]"
http://www.wireless.att.com/answer-...locale=&_dyncharset=UTF-8&solutionId=KB115947
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The funniest thing is that 4G in the USA isn't the same as in Sweden. We've got 4G here as well. But the thing is that your 4G is about the same as your 3G if I ain't misinformed.
Our 4G is <80Mbit/s
http://www.tele2.se/mobilt-bredband/4g.html?cmpid=se.search.2011.s.google.cpc
also i forgot to say, AT&T will be using HSPA+ as an addon because LTE will soon be introduced to them sometime at the end of this year....so yeah utilizing more antennas meaning more speeds... =)
Yeah, I don't think people are as upset about not getting 4G speeds as they are upset about very often not even getting 3G speeds. The upload speeds on this phone are atrocious, and quite often the download speeds are as well.
But, hey, thanks for your post containing information we all already know.
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AT&T hasn't enabled 4G on any device because they haven't FINISHED setting it up yet. Give them time, you guys are so impatient about this 4G garbage, there is a reason why they're taking their time, did you guys forget what happened with the iPhone when it started to use 3G. They're going to make sure they won't get flooded and they'll have enough to go around. I've got a few friends that work for the network engineering department and i've been told by them that the network isn't fully set so 4G isn't fully activated yet. Quit complaining, it's a good thing that its not up yet because then you guys would REALLY *****!
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It's funny that you titled this "quick fact" when you haven't stated any facts whatsoever. You sound like an AT&T press statement. Plus, you can't compare the Atrix, or the Inspire for that matter, to the iPhone. Whereas the iPhone had sold over a million in the first 3 months of it's release, I doubt the Atrix and Inspire will reach 100,000 in that same time frame combined. This was deceptive marketing, plain and simple. AT&T covers their butt with small print and they more than likely trained the employees to avoid discussion on actual H+ rollout. There's a reason the story made it to Engadget and other tech sites when it was found that data speeds were capped on these phones, it's because AT&T didn't want anyone to know.
The major complaint isn't not having 4G its ATT capping our upload and giving all the bandwidth to their favorite child the iphone. Its just a bit upsetting that I pay the same monthly as any iphone user out there yet I get subpar service. I think what we all want is to have service like what is given to iphoners and that alone would quiet the masses about the lack of 4G.
PS. I live in Orlando a place I was told numerous times was a test city for their 4G yet no 4G here all I'm left with is a crippled 3G network that I no longer get good signal inside my own home. I think that's evetyones gripe with ATT
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The funniest thing is that 4G in the USA isn't the same as in Sweden. We've got 4G here as well. But the thing is that your 4G is about the same as your 3G if I ain't misinformed.
Our 4G is <80Mbit/s
http://www.tele2.se/mobilt-bredband/4g.html?cmpid=se.search.2011.s.google.cpc
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The thing is that theres more than 200million wireless users in America and have to share the OTA data bandwidth. In Sweden theres a lot less people therefore everyone gets faster speeds.
For all those who are saying be patient. What if you went out and bought a new Ferrari capable of going 200mph. Only to find out the factory limited it to only 70mph. Here you are getting passed on the highway every day by moms in their mini vans. All the while you're being told by the factory that eventually we'll take off the governor so just sit there and shut up. I think you would be a bit upset.
the OP sounds like a AT&T rep...
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The major complaint isn't not having 4G its ATT capping our upload and giving all the bandwidth to their favorite child the iphone. Its just a bit upsetting that I pay the same monthly as any iphone user out there yet I get subpar service. I think what we all want is to have service like what is given to iphoners and that alone would quiet the masses about the lack of 4G.
PS. I live in Orlando a place I was told numerous times was a test city for their 4G yet no 4G here all I'm left with is a crippled 3G network that I no longer get good signal inside my own home. I think that's evetyones gripe with ATT
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the OP sounds like a AT&T rep...
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Not to me, an ATT rep would know that ATT claims to have rolled out HSDPA+ across their entire footprint, while at the same time admitting that backhaul is far from complete. HSDPA+ is of course the justification for tagging the Atrix and Inspire as 4G.
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Not to me, an Art rep would know that Art claims to have rolled out HSDPA+ across their entire footprint, while at the same time.admitting that nackhaul is far.from complete. HSDPA+ is of course the.justification for tagging the Atrix and Inspire as 4G.
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Regardless if he's a rep or not, for the most part a forum like XDA was created as an act of defiance to the restrictions that carriers and manufactures have imposed on their products. So, why would anyone want to come in here and defend AT&T, or any carrier/manufacturer? It automatically makes you sound like a "plant".
I'm not trying to negate what you are saying, I agree with you. I just wanted to throw that out there.
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For all those who are saying be patient. What if you went out and bought a new Ferrari capable of going 200mph. Only to find out the factory limited it to only 70mph. Here you are getting passed on the highway every day by moms in their mini vans. All the while you're being told by the factory that eventually we'll take off the governor so just sit there and shut up. I think you would be a bit upset.
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Where can you go 200mph legally(or over 70 even in the US)? That's what I don't get. I understand high speed internet for home computers, you download and stream stuff all day. But on a cellphone, 3-4mbps is plenty fast.
'But I pay for 4g speeds!'
No you don't. You pay the same as any 3g device, with the same exact service. Get over yourself.
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Just read the article on engadget. 50 for 5gb and 80 for 10gb. With 10$ over charges. Not sure if its all lte phones or only for the service though. Still sucks imo. I'll take sprints 10$ 4g charge any day.
Edit: Reading comprehension failure. Think this is not mobile lte data plans.
I just hope Sprint can keep up with coverage.. verizons will be the same as their 3g coverage in around 2 years..
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We all know verizon will be a reliable lte provider. But can they keep up with sprints pricing.
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Sprint's isn't even true 4g though. I feel like because they went with wimax they did get ahead of the game, but now that companies are coming out with true 4g they will be way behind because LTE covers MUCH more area. LTE towers reach farther then even 3g towers which crushes wimax. I hope sprint has a plan for this because I don't want to have to change phone plans again >.<
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Sprint's isn't even true 4g though. I feel like because they went with wimax they did get ahead of the game, but now that companies are coming out with true 4g they will be way behind because LTE covers MUCH more area. LTE towers reach farther then even 3g towers which crushes wimax. I hope sprint has a plan for this because I don't want to have to change phone plans again >.<
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Uh, no one has true 4G. In order to get that, you have to wait for Wimax 2 and LTE-Advanced.
And "The WiMAX Forum expects to see WiMAX Release 2 available commercially in the 2011-2012 timeframe."
The LTE-Advanced standard won't even be ratified until 2011.
I thought Dan Hesse came out and said that Sprint was looking into bolstering the "4G" network with an LTE network. is this no longer the case?
Also, those verizon prices are beyond ridiculous. i very much hope that sprint doesn't move to a tiered plan.
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I thought Dan Hesse came out and said that Sprint was looking into bolstering the "4G" network with an LTE network. is this no longer the case?
Also, those verizon prices are beyond ridiculous. i very much hope that sprint doesn't move to a tiered plan.
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They most likely will. If not, there is a lot of money to be lost there. It's becoming an industry standard.
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I thought Dan Hesse came out and said that Sprint was looking into bolstering the "4G" network with an LTE network. is this no longer the case?
Also, those verizon prices are beyond ridiculous. i very much hope that sprint doesn't move to a tiered plan.
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He stated that he is fully committed to wimax. He did state earlier that he was thinking about testing out LTE alongside wimax.
Ha.... I thought that was 2 different people posting... D:
Ill take sprint any day of the week as they are the only contender with a truely unlimited data plan.
I pay for tethering, im rooted and could get it for free, but pushing no-fine-print unlimited data is is a huge huge win in my book, not to mention that sprint hasn't screwed me over once since I switched from t-mobile (t-mobile screwed me over every chance they got), they did kinda sneak the $5 spending limit onto my account, but after a quick chat with a rep, they now give me $4.99 credit toward my bill every month.
Wimax is still rolling out in my area (I can get the signal, but its weak and slow), so I primarily use 3G. My second job is fixing computers/building computers/rooting android phones, I'm not always at home for this, and when I'm at a clients house/coffee shop with crap wifi (cough...cough...starbucks) its so freakin' nice to be able to tether and download all the drivers/updates/.zips/roms I need without worrying about going over my data limit. Sprints 3G might not be as fast as a regular internet connection, but sometimes its all I have access to, and its usually better that using Quest DSL through the $10 walmart-special router.
....I pushed nearly 70GB last month in 3G data, and 37GB in the last two weeks....not a single peep/complaint/charge from sprint.
I dont care how fast a network is, being able to do what I do with my phone makes my job much much easier and less of a headache, in my book unlimited data>network speed. Im eagerly awaiting the 4G rollout in my area, as it rivals my oversaturated comcast connection.
It also feels good knowing that, if sprint ever does decide to change their plans on data usage, I will be grandfathered into unlimited data for my stay. I also see this as being one of the last non-tiered data plans avalable (at least in the US anyway), if sprint ever does change, their wont be any more.....
...well, that was a long rant...
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My second job is fixing computers/building computers/rooting android phones, I'm not always at home for this, and when I'm at a clients house/coffee shop with crap wifi (cough...cough...starbucks) its so freakin' nice to be able to tether and download all the drivers/updates/.zips/roms I need without worrying about going over my data limit.
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Hold on. you use other people's work(i assume you DIDN'T build your own root method) that is offered freely and CHARGE people for it?? dude...
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Hold on. you use other people's work(i assume you DIDN'T build your own root method) that is offered freely and CHARGE people for it?? dude...
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Just read the article on engadget. 50 for 5gb and 80 for 10gb. With 10$ over charges. Not sure if its all lte phones or only for the service though. Still sucks imo. I'll take sprints 10$ 4g charge any day.
Edit: Reading comprehension failure. Think this is not mobile lte data plans.
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Ima sprint cust but work for vzw those plans are for tge modems not phones no word yet on the premium data for phones
Little off topic I realize but with all the buzz... I'd like to see Sprint and T-Mobile merge and bang some heads in both the wired/wireless telco industries.
Hell..smack around the cable companies too. They got their day coming.
One day a majority of their subscribers will finally realize they can get same content or better on the web and start leaving in droves.
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Little off topic I realize but with all the buzz... I'd like to see Sprint and T-Mobile merge and bang some heads in both the wired/wireless telco industries.
Hell..smack around the cable companies too. They got their day coming.
One day a majority of their subscribers will finally realize they can get same content or better on the web and start leaving in droves.
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First of all, why would you want a sprint/t-mobile merger?? T-mobile has nothing that we don't. Secondly, what would sprint OR tmobile have to do with cable companies? wouldn't sites like hulu, vudu and boxee be better suited to "smack the cable companies" around? i believe most people are aware that they can get all their normal shows online. the cable box is just too convenient and familiar.
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Sprint's isn't even true 4g though. I feel like because they went with wimax they did get ahead of the game, but now that companies are coming out with true 4g they will be way behind because LTE covers MUCH more area. LTE towers reach farther then even 3g towers which crushes wimax. I hope sprint has a plan for this because I don't want to have to change phone plans again >.<
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LTE does not necessarily reach further its the frequency that reaches further. Verizon is using a lower frequency which does travel further so its the spectrum that Verizon has not the technology. Also neither wimax nor LTE are true 4g. When a car has the radio up loud you hear the base first because base travels further because it is a lower frequency.
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LTE does not necessarily reach further its the frequency that reaches further. Verizon is using a lower frequency which does travel further so its the spectrum that Verizon has not the technology. Also neither wimax nor LTE are true 4g. When a car has the radio up loud you hear the base first because base travels further because it is a lower frequency.
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Your facts are correct but the car audio analogy is not. Lower frequencies do not travel faster. They just penetrate obstacles better. This means they penetrate building walls better for indoor coverage and they penetrate air better, going farther before the signal has degraded beyond usability.
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Uh, no one has true 4G. .
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"True 4g" has been defined as "capable of reaching 1gbit/sec"
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"True 4g" has been defined as "capable of reaching 1gbit/sec"
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4G also does not just mean speed. A true 4G network is an all IP network. Meaning no more circuit switched voice call transmission. Everything is packet switched. Calls are VOIP. A true 4G network allows VOIP calls to seamlessly be handed off to a wifi connection and back ect. All these carriers boasting 4G has degraded the significance of what a true 4G network is. And no one is there to blow the whistle on this false advertising.
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Your facts are correct but the car audio analogy is not. Lower frequencies do not travel faster. They just penetrate obstacles better. This means they penetrate building walls better for indoor coverage and they penetrate air better, going farther before the signal has degraded beyond usability.
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Further not faster.
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I just hope Sprint can keep up with coverage.. verizons will be the same as their 3g coverage in around 2 years..
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Which conveniently is when my contract is up on my EVO.
I'll go to whoever has the best technology at the best price. I bought the iPhone 3G on release and then switched to the EVO after my contract. If someone has a better option in 2 years then I'll go with that.
Wimax is more than enough to get me through it.
love the epic, awesome phone. but being stuck in 2006 with 3G data and paying basically the same as other people are paying to the other carriers with 4g data is frustrating to say the least. Especially when I was told 4G would be in my area but it isn't anywhere within 5 miles of where I live and I don't live in the boonies. Further, even where I can get 4G, its completely unusable, just goes on for a little bit, then disconnects, then reconnects. Chat told me they were still building out the network which I seriously fail to believe.
So bottom line, has anyone had any luck with getting out of the ETF fee so they can go to a carrier that didn't lie about 4G?
I have 4G data over most of the central Ohio area. It works great, very consistent and still has better coverage than any of the other networks "4G" services.
I am tired of seeing so many thread about either not having 4G or having it and thinking it doesn't work. If you don't want to pay for it, then get a phone that doesn't have the option, then you can't complain. Sprint is STILL cheaper than any of the other networks for comparable features and options. Even with a "$10" service charge for "data".
And on that note... Doing research before jumping into a contract for something that MAY or MAY NOT work is a smart idea. I didn't even buy the phone or plan to begin with for the 4G service, I bought it for the keyboard, and the 4G was a nice addition.
I really don't know what else to say, but it seems a LOT of the Epic 4G owners are whiny babies. At least the majority of the threads leading up to the Froyo release seem to point towards that conclusion.
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I have 4G data over most of the central Ohio area. It works great, very consistent and still has better coverage than any of the other networks "4G" services.
I am tired of seeing so many thread about either not having 4G or having it and thinking it doesn't work. If you don't want to pay for it, then get a phone that doesn't have the option, then you can't complain. Sprint is STILL cheaper than any of the other networks for comparable features and options. Even with a "$10" service charge for "data".
And on that note... Doing research before jumping into a contract for something that MAY or MAY NOT work is a smart idea. I didn't even buy the phone or plan to begin with for the 4G service, I bought it for the keyboard, and the 4G was a nice addition.
I really don't know what else to say, but it seems a LOT of the Epic 4G owners are whiny babies. At least the majority of the threads leading up to the Froyo release seem to point towards that conclusion.
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That's pretty easy for you to say since you already have 4G.
From what I have read, no carrier has true 4G currently. But t be honest I am pretty pleased with the speeds I get with 3G.
But it would be nice to get the speed boost that sprint is calling 4g
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I'm glad its working for you, why don't you try it down here in south florida. it apparently works okay for people in Miami too. that doesn't help the people that were all told they were getting it. And before you type inane stupid things, try to think before you type. I did my research, i was told 4G was coming, and specifically to my city, yet it isn't in my city or any of the neighboring cities, plus sprint is talking about switching to LTE so thats a pretty good indication that WIMAX certainly isn't getting built out anymore in areas where it is "Live". And according to sprint south florida is live from Miami Beach to West Palm Beach. Oh except for the 80% of the parts that aren't. LOL. Oh and you didn't buy the phone for 4G, thats good for you, I bet 80% or more of the people did buy it for 4G. No one is complaining abou the price, its a great price, if 4G actually worked. and the other companies like ATT Tmobile have speeds that are at least 7 times higher than 3G sprint. so I'd consider that 4G. Verizon will be there very soon and Metro, Metro of all carriers, the dog crap carrier has 4G and its half the price of what i'm paying for sprint to lie directly to me.
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I have 4G data over most of the central Ohio area. It works great, very consistent and still has better coverage than any of the other networks "4G" services.
I am tired of seeing so many thread about either not having 4G or having it and thinking it doesn't work. If you don't want to pay for it, then get a phone that doesn't have the option, then you can't complain. Sprint is STILL cheaper than any of the other networks for comparable features and options. Even with a "$10" service charge for "data".
And on that note... Doing research before jumping into a contract for something that MAY or MAY NOT work is a smart idea. I didn't even buy the phone or plan to begin with for the 4G service, I bought it for the keyboard, and the 4G was a nice addition.
I really don't know what else to say, but it seems a LOT of the Epic 4G owners are whiny babies. At least the majority of the threads leading up to the Froyo release seem to point towards that conclusion.
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I have 4G data over most of the central Ohio area. It works great, very consistent and still has better coverage than any of the other networks "4G" services.
I am tired of seeing so many thread about either not having 4G or having it and thinking it doesn't work. If you don't want to pay for it, then get a phone that doesn't have the option, then you can't complain. Sprint is STILL cheaper than any of the other networks for comparable features and options. Even with a "$10" service charge for "data".
And on that note... Doing research before jumping into a contract for something that MAY or MAY NOT work is a smart idea. I didn't even buy the phone or plan to begin with for the 4G service, I bought it for the keyboard, and the 4G was a nice addition.
I really don't know what else to say, but it seems a LOT of the Epic 4G owners are whiny babies. At least the majority of the threads leading up to the Froyo release seem to point towards that conclusion.
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Such a poor argument... They are charging the extra cash now on any smartphone. Also, have you seen a single decent android phone on sprint besides the evo, shift, or epic? They don't exist for a reason, to funnel people into 4g phones.
to the op... Yeh I'm fairly sick of not having it, it's extremely close to me but it fades all the time. Basically, just like the epic itself it was a great idea, awesome technology, but poor execution leaving it lacking.
its not that I really need it that much, its the thought of forking over 150 bucks a month for 2 phones for almost the next 2 years that is frustrating, especially when 3G is out of date now, let alone by next year.
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Such a poor argument... They are charging the extra cash now on any smartphone. Also, have you seen a single decent android phone on sprint besides the evo, shift, or epic? They don't exist for a reason, to funnel people into 4g phones.
to the op... Yeh I'm fairly sick of not having it, it's extremely close to me but it fades all the time. Basically, just like the epic itself it was a great idea, awesome technology, but poor execution leaving it lacking.
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I am tired of seeing so many thread about either not having 4G or having it and thinking it doesn't work. If you don't want to pay for it, then get a phone that doesn't have the option, then you can't complain. Sprint is STILL cheaper than any of the other networks for comparable features and options. Even with a "$10" service charge for "data".
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So you are saying people shouldn't try to future proof as much as possible? Not everyone can afford to buy a new phone every year or 2 years, etc. So if you are up for a new phone, why not get a 4G phone. That way, when 4G finally comes to a city that is on Sprints list, you won't have to upgrade your hardware.
Seems like Sprint isn't upgrading/expanding their 4G network at all and Sprint customers are stuck paying just as much as other people on other carriers for the same/slower speeds. Not cool
Fed up with the lack of 4G? Absolutely. And let's not forget Sprint shafting their "Premier" customers and getting rid of yearly upgrades if your plan isn't over 89.99 or if you've been with Sprint for 10 years. If Sprint keeps it up, they will continue to lose customers.
Look. The epic 4g has 4g capability. The phone is a multimedia powerhouse with or with out 4g. 4g is nice but not a necessity. Can some of you honestly say that you would tether your phone to the computer to play WOW? If the answer is yes...please seek counseling for your WOW and youtube addictions. Guys nothing is ever truely perfect.
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Id be frustrated if I bought th phone and was paying for 4g and not getting it.
But, I live in nyc so I knew I wasgonna get 4g sooner or later so I upgraded and a week later 4g went live
You should've gone with another carrier. Like the other guy said, do research befoe signing your wireless life away for two years.
Right no I don't even have 4g service, or even 1xrtt. I'm in wifi only right now, but idc. Because I know when I get home, I'm not gonna have any service issues. I leave 4g on while I'm home in nyc.
I was seriously considering going to t-mo because my friend with his TP2 was getting 5mb/s dl speeds and stuff, but sprint came through at the right time so I stuck with them.
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I spend 1/2 of my time in NYC (which has 4g) and 1/2 the time in Long Island which does not. Although it work well when the phone is actually connected, most of the time I cannot connect to it while inside a building (even in Manhattan coverage is pretty spotty) - so when I wifi tether 4G hardly ever works. In Long Island, most of the places that I am in have wifi so lack of 4G has not been a problem personally. But I understand being upset for paying the $10 a month without ANY 4G availability in the home market.
again, did the research, read the quoted press releases and the article from the newspaper down here that listed the cities 4G was coming to. so i would be happy to go with another carrier but can't fork over ETF, and buy another phone when I already forked out 500 for these.
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You should've gone with another carrier. Like the other guy said, do research befoe signing your wireless life away for two years.
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Look. The epic 4g has 4g capability. The phone is a multimedia powerhouse with or with out 4g. 4g is nice but not a necessity. Can some of you honestly say that you would tether your phone to the computer to play WOW? If the answer is yes...please seek counseling for your WOW and youtube addictions. Guys nothing is ever truely perfect.
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i don't know about you, but I don't do anything major on the phone, I do like to browse the web though and occasionally download something, like maybe a new rom for the phone thats impossible to do at 3G speeds that half the time are 300K or less. want to send a picture? how good is that going to work on 300K. So its not like 4G is just for gamers or youtube fanatics. youtube isn't even installed on my phone.
I have used WiMax in Atlanta and Nashville, and its awesome.
The Epic is Epic even without 4G, but I do wish I had it here in Louisville.
"I can piss farther than you can"
"Nu-uh"
"Uh-huh"
"Bet ya can't"
"Bet I can"
"Cannot"
"Watch"
My concern is they've quit releasing any sort of expansion plans. Last year when the EVO and Epic were fresh they went on and on about which markets would be getting it. Now, nothing. If I at least knew if it was eventually coming to my area I'd be happy. Sprint has until my contract is up or VZW/ATT get LTE going to get some 4G in my area or I'll finally be switching carriers after almost 10 years. That being said, I get pretty decent 3G speeds to tide me over in the meantime.
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I am tired of seeing so many thread about either not having 4G or having it and thinking it doesn't work. If you don't want to pay for it, then get a phone that doesn't have the option, then you can't complain. Sprint is STILL cheaper than any of the other networks for comparable features and options. Even with a "$10" service charge for "data".
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Actually t-mobile has a equivalent plan cost. My girlfriend has a G2 and it is faster than my 4g (san antonio) she was getting 8k down while I get 6 or 7. Not to mention they get a better signal here.
No need to be a jerk about it. You would be just a frustrated if a sprint rep told you that 4g is coming soon...but it hasn't.
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love the epic, awesome phone. but being stuck in 2006 with 3G data and paying basically the same as other people are paying to the other carriers with 4g data is frustrating to say the least. Especially when I was told 4G would be in my area but it isn't anywhere within 5 miles of where I live and I don't live in the boonies. Further, even where I can get 4G, its completely unusable, just goes on for a little bit, then disconnects, then reconnects. Chat told me they were still building out the network which I seriously fail to believe.
So bottom line, has anyone had any luck with getting out of the ETF fee so they can go to a carrier that didn't lie about 4G?
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No one lied. On the Sprint website you can look at the 4G coverage map. If that wasn't good enough, you shouldn't have jumped onboard.
Verizon and T-Mobile are aggressively building out their 4G networks. ATT has upgraded its 3G and unveils 4G this summer.
Sprint's 4G expansion has mostly halted as Clearwire teeters on the edge of bankruptcy. This 'news' was obviously not known when these phones were released with Wimax touted. The OP's criticism is valid.
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No one lied. On the Sprint website you can look at the 4G coverage map. If that wasn't good enough, you shouldn't have jumped onboard.
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really?? I could look at the coverage map before they put it on the site right? before it was live in south florida? The rep asking me for my zip code and telling me I would be getting it soon wasn't lying? or the one on chat that said they are still building it and I would get 4G soon wasn't lying right?
I did a test with my nexus one and G2, I don't know how but my Nexus still out performed my G2 Am I Glad To Be An Owner Of A Nexus1
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I live in a suburb of Boston and have great HSPA+ service. My N1 is getting on average during peak hours 4.2 DL and a constant 1.3 UL. I am very happy with those numbers. T-Mobile has a solid Network and blows away AT&T, Sprint and Verizon in my area. I live only 10 miles out of Boston and one mile away from RT 128. Suppose to be strong areas for all the Carriers.
Thank You T-Mobile.
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If the T-mobile or Att network your using has an average of 7.2mbps or less, wont the Nexus One get the exact same download speed as any HSPA+ phone?
The only time an HSPA+ phone would ever "outpace" the N1 in download speed would be if the network is built up past 7.2mbps right? Like if the average speed was 10mbps THEN the HSPA+ would finally kick in but until 7.2mbps the Nexus One will keep up with any HSPA+ phone right?
I didn't know the G2 was LTE enabled
HSDPA+ is 3G btw.
I don't know, my thoughts were G2: better phone, better performance. LOL (Simpled Minded) Huh? It doesn't make sense to buy a 4G phone then! Forget 4G
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LOL at thinking those measly speeds are 4G!
4G speeds are more like 30MB/s down and 15MB/s up.
Look at some of the Verizon LTE (a TRUE 4G network) speed tests.
GldRush98 said:
LOL at thinking those measly speeds are 4G!
4G speeds are more like 30MB/s down and 15MB/s up.
Look at some of the Verizon LTE (a TRUE 4G network) speed tests.
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Well even Verizon's LTE network is still around 7-12 Mbit, not MB/sec... and no where near true "4G."
The ITU's newest standard now allows "evolved 3G technologies" such as HSPA+ to eventually qualify for "4G" nomenclature, but this is still quite some time from now, given that it's roughly 1/10 of the required speed for mobile applications. What's funny, though, is that T-Mobile's HSPA+ is generally faster than Sprint's WiMAX in many areas, despite the fact that under the old classification system WiMAX could eventually become 4G whereas HSPA+ could not.
IMT-Advanced basically became what the old "4G" classification was, including the 100 Mbit mobile and 1 Gbit fixed speed requirements, as well as goodies like VoIP and OFDMA.
Wow Professor Will, So All This Hype About 4G is probably for months or even years to come! I'm not buying another supposedly 4G Phone until its like an guarantee that I see a huge difference in speed!
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Wow Professor Will, So All This Hype About 4G is probably for months or even years to come! I'm not buying another supposedly 4G Phone until its like an guarantee that I see a huge difference in speed!
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yeah pretty much, i thought it was common knowledge for all of us phone geeks. tmobile's 4g is nothing but 3G HSPA. and unless the towers have enough backhaul to support fast speeds, a 3G phone will perform like a 4G phone until the theoretical limits for each are hit. havent seen that happen anywhere yet in the USA that i can tell. its all gimmic marketing crap.
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yeah pretty much, i thought it was common knowledge for all of us phone geeks. tmobile's 4g is nothing but 3G HSPA. and unless the towers have enough backhaul to support fast speeds, a 3G phone will perform like a 4G phone until the theoretical limits for each are hit. havent seen that happen anywhere yet in the USA that i can tell. its all gimmic marketing crap.
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Call it what you want, I'm very happy with T-Mobile. In my area they are faster then all others. They have the best plans and prices blow all others away. I think if more people gave them a chance they would be very happy. Not to mention they support the Nexus One.
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Call it what you want, I'm very happy with T-Mobile. In my area they are faster then all others. They have the best plans and prices blow all others away. I think if more people gave them a chance they would be very happy. Not to mention they support the Nexus One.
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+1 Also, very satisfied with TMobile in my area!
galaxys said:
+1 Also, very satisfied with TMobile in my area!
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+2 dittos.
vinnyjr said:
Call it what you want, I'm very happy with T-Mobile. In my area they are faster then all others. They have the best plans and prices blow all others away. I think if more people gave them a chance they would be very happy. Not to mention they support the Nexus One.
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I'm very impressed with t-mobile and give them all the credit in the world for what they've done with their data speeds. ATT is a joke when it comes to being a leader like that. They do nothing but follow the other carriers and react rather than set the standard. But I'm sad t-mobile started this fake 4g thing.
Extremely satisfied with my Nexus One on TMO. I'm roughly 20 miles north west from northeastern Philly and just like the other users have said T-Mobile has the best coverage in my area compared to Verizon and AT&T. My work phone is a Blackberry Tour running on Verizon's network and the network coverage blows compared to T-Mobile's in my area.
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Rogers in canada is crazy fast... It seems my upload is capped at 1mbit up but download speeds have gotten upwards of 4 even 5 mbit down!
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Wow i really do want this phone badly. But i'm just so afraid of sprints 3g coverage. I can barely watch a you tube video now. Anything that involves data sucks. What good is a phone if the coverage is horrable. Plus now they are really going to get hammered with to many people on the network for them to handle. Anyone else afraid of this?
I feel the same way. I live in phoenix and their 3g here (at least around my job and home) sucks balls. My friends edge tmobile phone gets better speeds.
No cause my sprints coverage has been great
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Sprint in Sacramento is kick-ass. I'm not worried.
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Sprint in Sacramento is kick-ass. I'm not worried.
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+1 for sactown always have full bars
I posted this in another thread but it applies here too. I get crappy 3G in my area and no 4G. They are so focused on bringing 3D phones but we can't even upload/stream regular vids to YouTube with their ****ty network. Why not roll out 4G in more cities and beef it up first? T-mobile is turning up the heat with 40mb in a few cities. This proves that sprint could turn it up as well if they wanted to.
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mob...mpaign=Feed:+androidcentral+(Android+Central)
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I do wish that the new Evo did have the LTE radio, as rumored, but I get 5Mbps in my apartment on 4G, so I'm not going to complain too much. And I have no issues with my 3G in this area, either.
The thing of it is guys, is what are our options? AT&T-Mobile or Verizon. Both with data caps, sub-par customer service(at least from my experience with the GF's iphone) and high rates. There's really no other choice.
That being said, sprint absolutely needs to step up their network. My evo will never connect to 4G. i can be sitting in downtown Dallas, TX, right in the middle of the alleged 4G coverage area and never connect. Its worthless.
I've never had an issue with 3G. Wimax is another thing. It's mostly good but I hardly use it for anything. I'm almost always in Wifi when I want to download a big file anyway. Pretty sure they are going to eventually add LTE support to their towers since Wimax is ok for cheaply blanketing an area in Wifi-like coverage but isn't so great in big buildings and they are dependent on Clearwire's oversubscribed network.
For all the talk of "why are they worrying about 3D phones and stuff like that", they need to stay up on the flashy new handsets because that is what gets them subscribers. This is their chance to really make or break their company with the playing field narrowing soon. AT&T proved with the iPhone that folks will put up with all kinds of crap for a must-have handset so they need to keep putting out exclusives that stand out in the market in order to stay attractive to customers.
Moving to another company would cost me a lot more per month and add a data cap so I am not going anywhere soon. I used to have T-Mobile to fall back on if Sprint ever pissed me off but with them being bought up, it's time to double down on Sprint.
Since when does VZW have a data cap? And I dont mean some data cap that "may" come at some point down the road. At this point the data is still unlimited.
I live in KC, which is basically saying the Sprint HQ (overland park is a division of KC) and the service here could def be better. 3g is no too bad, unless you go to Overland Park. Which is funny, because your IN the campus, and service blows. 4g... you pretty much have to be downtown to really make it "better" than 3g. I too find it odd that t-mo can ramp up 3g speeds to topple our 4g. Co worker has tmo and he dominates me in d/l speed. Somehow for him that equates to his mytouch slide 4g being better than my evo, but then again he does have a wicked self idolize-ing issue.
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The thing of it is guys, is what are our options? AT&T-Mobile or Verizon. Both with data caps, sub-par customer service(at least from my experience with the GF's iphone) and high rates. There's really no other choice.
That being said, sprint absolutely needs to step up their network. My evo will never connect to 4G. i can be sitting in downtown Dallas, TX, right in the middle of the alleged 4G coverage area and never connect. Its worthless.
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what part of downtown? i can sit over by the opera house and get 4g.
Ok guys, relax. It's one of two things if you are getting slow 3g speeds.
First, Sprint is actually growing again. In some areas it's growing so much that the existing network is at capacity. It's being addressed.
Or, it's a bug with some phones on 3.70 or 3.70 based ROMs. It's being addressed in the next update (not sure if it's going to be gingerbread or not)
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Ok guys, relax. It's one of two things if you are getting slow 3g speeds.
First, Sprint is actually growing again. In some areas it's growing so much that the existing network is at capacity. It's being addressed.
Or, it's a bug with some phones on 3.70 or 3.70 based ROMs. It's being addressed in the next update (not sure if it's going to be gingerbread or not)
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Not disagreeing at all with your points, but the max capacity is what the op is saying he's/she's afraid of. I've seen extremely slow coverage expansion of 4g in KC, while other carries have been going hard at it. It's doubtful they are expanding 3g much anymore since 4g is the "new baby." I like Sprint don't get me wrong, but if the op is more concerned with coverage, and the fact that we face $10 a month for 4g coverage, he may very well be better off with another carrier.
You all act like Sprint could revamp their entire network overnight if they wanted. I know for fact they are working on it, and I see signs of improvement all the time. I can get 2Mb downloads now on 3g in several locations in my city where 2-3 months ago I was lucky to get 200k. Maybe they could make people happier faster in the short term by taking shortcuts, but it looks like they're doing it right. So have patience or gtfo.
http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19
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You all act like Sprint could revamp their entire network overnight if they wanted. I know for fact they are working on it, and I see signs of improvement all the time. I can get 2Mb downloads now on 3g in several locations in my city where 2-3 months ago I was lucky to get 200k. Maybe they could make people happier faster in the short term by taking shortcuts, but it looks like they're doing it right. So have patience or gtfo.
http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19
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Well if it's ok in your city then that should be ok for everyone worldwide then. Try growing up before posting please.
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Since when does VZW have a data cap? And I dont mean some data cap that "may" come at some point down the road. At this point the data is still unlimited.
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lol there unlimited, but we can and have canceled customers for using more then 5 gb a month without a tethering plan unlimited?
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lol there unlimited, but we can and have canceled customers for using more then 5 gb a month without a tethering plan unlimited?
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Supposedly Sprint also has a "cap." Never seen it myself, but that "rumor" has gone around a bit.
I feel the exact same way. My 3g is terrible, I get anywhere from 200-700 MAX DOWN and about 400 UP. No 4g at all. :/
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Well if it's ok in your city then that should be ok for everyone worldwide then. Try growing up before posting please.
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Try growing up?? WTF??? Did you not click on the link to see that I was trying to provide some hope for people that are not in a good data area?
I did not even say it was ok in my city... I said there are signs of improvement and there are places that are great. I was just trying to help people out who think the network sux everywhere and Sprint is not doing anything about it anywhere... because that is wrong. They are working on it diligently.
Perhaps my "have patience or gtfo" comment was a little rude, but that sums up the situation here. The network sux. It's getting better. If you can't wait for the improvements, complaining on xda is not going to do anything for you.
So after the update my hsupa (upload speed) is fine but my hsdpa (download speeds) are still bad.. im lucky if i get 2mbps (i get it 1/17 times)
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I didnt mean to say hsdpa is still capped i meant slow...sorry
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The download and upload speeds are still impacted by network capacity and limited backhaul. At&t still doesn't have enough bandwidth from the tower to the web in most areas to provide 4g speeds. The amount of people using the same tower impacts speed as well.
Think of it like a funnel. You can have as many people as you want pouring in the big end, but the only thing flowing is whatever fits out the skinny end.
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The download and upload speeds are still impacted by network capacity and limited backhaul. At&t still doesn't have enough bandwidth from the tower to the web in most areas to provide 4g speeds. The amount of people using the same tower impacts speed as well.
Think of it like a funnel. You can have as many people as you want pouring in the big end, but the only thing flowing is whatever fits out the skinny end.
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Don't you think that's something that's getting out of control from ATT. They chronically are refusing to spend their money on beeping up the backhaul and they are sitting on billions. No 4G launch dates nothing is firm in ATT land yet they claim they have almost 100% of their territory covered with hspa+
It's a shame folks.
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Please quit being a tool. AT&T is constantly improving the network, and backhual is in place in many of the major markets. As with anything, this isn't just a switch that can be thrown to make stuff faster, it takes time and money. 19B is being spent on this backhaul, and everyday new cell sites are being put into major areas. The 4g craze just started, there are only a couple of devices that even support the speeds, and laying all new fiber isn't an overnight thing. Tell verizon to get their LTE everywhere overnight, see how that works out for you.
Updated and all my DL speeds are the same and in some cases better. Upload is way better of course. Web browsing is noticeably faster too.
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I thought i'd pop the ole simcard back into the captivate to see how it worked. I was getting almost double the download speed then on the 1.83 update for atrix (upload was about the same, slightly in captivates favor).
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My HSDPA speeds vary. Ignore the horrifically low speeds...terrible signal @ work
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Please quit being a tool. AT&T is constantly improving the network, and backhual is in place in many of the major markets. As with anything, this isn't just a switch that can be thrown to make stuff faster, it takes time and money. 19B is being spent on this backhaul, and everyday new cell sites are being put into major areas. The 4g craze just started, there are only a couple of devices that even support the speeds, and laying all new fiber isn't an overnight thing. Tell verizon to get their LTE everywhere overnight, see how that works out for you.
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I don't think anyone (else) is coming across as a tool. I'm sure they are working hard and writing checks left and right, but the fact of the matter is that they consistently boast 4g coverage and near 100% hspa+, and I have yet to hear of anyone that is getting consistent speeds of anything that would even remotely resemble 4g.
I completely understand that this isn't an overnight process, and I am pretty sure most of the XDA community gets that as well, but when basically every other carrier has faster data speeds you are going to get backlash from your customers. If they were a bit more committed to giving people a timetable, then I think they could avoid so much criticism.
I don't know if I'd say the "4g craze just started", but somehow AT&T was the last one to get the memo.
-Doogs™
I get download speeds between 1-5 Mbps dependent on location and time. Upload is between 1-1.2 Mbps. Think that's more than ok and I never got faster speeds on t-mobiles's "4G" either.
Yeah i just posted in another thread...I'm getting 50% faster DLs than my iphone4 roughly 4000 kbps consistently...but the upload speeds are identical on a handful of tests 1275 kbps...
I guarantee AT&T is again capping upload albeit at a higher speed now....
Location is such a HUGE factor in speeds. I live in Virginia Beach, VA. No Verizon LTE here, Tmobile has their 4G up to about 5 miles from my house, no Wimax from Sprint, just left them b/c fastest 3G I could get was 700kbps. AT&T here is just 3G, but I get 1.5-4mbps everywhere I go. I am no fan of only having 4 major choices and none of them caring about me except for my money, but the grass isn't always greener......and for some of you, it doesn't matter who you had, you would be complaining about something. Just saying.....
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Don't you think that's something that's getting out of control from ATT. They chronically are refusing to spend their money on beeping up the backhaul and they are sitting on billions. No 4G launch dates nothing is firm in ATT land yet they claim they have almost 100% of their territory covered with hspa+
It's a shame folks.
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please stop spouting misinformation. AT&T is spending money on backhaul, improvements, etc. It doesn't happen overnight. They just announced at the beginning of April that $100 million was being thrown into Denver's (and the rest of Colorado) network, including enhanced backhaul and new cell sites.
http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_17772169
:/ i live in a small-ish town... i bet we wont have any improvements for months or maybe even years
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I don't think anyone (else) is coming across as a tool. I'm sure they are working hard and writing checks left and right, but the fact of the matter is that they consistently boast 4g coverage and near 100% hspa+, and I have yet to hear of anyone that is getting consistent speeds of anything that would even remotely resemble 4g.
I completely understand that this isn't an overnight process, and I am pretty sure most of the XDA community gets that as well, but when basically every other carrier has faster data speeds you are going to get backlash from your customers. If they were a bit more committed to giving people a timetable, then I think they could avoid so much criticism.
I don't know if I'd say the "4g craze just started", but somehow AT&T was the last one to get the memo.
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that was directed at co.ag.2005 the guy with the Verizon logo as his avatar. Just trying to start stuff for no reason.
Per what you said about every other carrier has better speeds, that's not true at all. AT&T is still the fastest nation wide. Yeah, with verizon you can get 12mb/s, but only in what, 48 cities now? T-mo has like 52, and Sprint has the most with 80 something. Either way, from coast to coast, at&t is the fastest, and you don't find many 3g areas where you'll get the 800kb/s that you get with Verizon's 3g. The only real 4g competition is Sprint because they have so few people using their network that there is alway free bandwidth. AT&T was only last because we were trying to stay away from the 4g hype until t-mo started touting HSPA+ as 4g, so we had to jump on that wagon because, as a hole, consumers are pretty dumb. The HSPA+ is rolled out 100% (all the towers have been upgraded to new nodes to support the faster speed), but fiber has to be laid to the towers. For that we have to pay contractors that work for Time warner, cox, verizon ect (local landlines providers) to get the faster speeds. Until that gets done, we have no control over the speeds that go out. Technically, the 100% hspa+ roll out is true, and because they are a business they will tout those features because, again, most consumers are dumb. They see that AT&T has the largest 4g footprint and they buy products. Just as any business, there's fine print to be read. Don't be mad because your Honda doesn't get the 46mpg they say you will.
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Yeah i just posted in another thread...I'm getting 50% faster DLs than my iphone4 roughly 4000 kbps consistently...but the upload speeds are identical on a handful of tests 1275 kbps...
I guarantee AT&T is again capping upload albeit at a higher speed now....
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I guarantee your wrong. AT&T has no way to cap upload on your device once HSUPA is enabled. There are no tiers of upload speed, it's either on or off. Thanks for the misinformation though.
(check for articles online about how the speed test apps aren't all created equally, and make sure your testing on the same servers)
No, I believe it's just ATT has the worst setup out of the big 4 (at least in the NYC/Tri-State Area).
Our "4G" is considered to be 4-5 down, 1.25 up where as true 4G speeds from what i've been hearing from Verizon and T-mo users are 20 mbps.... And we are lucky if we get 5/1.
And ATT had the nerve to sell a device labeled as "4G" and CAP the uploads, I don't see how a company could deceive its customers that way. I mean, the data plans are ALREADY capped at 2gb for most new users, thats a huge letdown on its own!
Currently, I get max 3/1 with an average of 1.5/350.
after updating to .83 i am getting around 1.6 upload speeds.
so i don't think that they are capped at 1.25.
maybe it is a regional thing.
Prior to updating my network icon showed H+, now it only shows E.
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No, I believe it's just ATT has the worst setup out of the big 4 (at least in the NYC/Tri-State Area).
Our "4G" is considered to be 4-5 down, 1.25 up where as true 4G speeds from what i've been hearing from Verizon and T-mo users are 20 mbps.... And we are lucky if we get 5/1.
And ATT had the nerve to sell a device labeled as "4G" and CAP the uploads, I don't see how a company could deceive its customers that way. I mean, the data plans are ALREADY capped at 2gb for most new users, thats a huge letdown on its own!
Currently, I get max 3/1 with an average of 1.5/350.
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You've been misinformed if you think t-mo is getting 20mb/s. Tmobile has hspa+21, which has a theoretical speed of 21mbps, but you will only get between 5 & 7mbps. As far as verizon's speeds, they get around 20, but only in the few areas they have lte, and that's only because they don't have any traffic on their lte network yet. Around the Tampa area, most people I know are getting around 12mbps. Get the facts straight please, no more misinformation.