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3g and 4g really ticking me off!

Been almost a year and my 3g service is poor outside, and still no 4g in my area of south jersey. I really luv this evo, but my girl has thunderbolt from verizon and her service is amazing with no signal problems! Sorry had to vent, but sprint needs to get there 3 and 4 g up to speed or im making the jump to verizon! They should not advertise 4g when its not even available!
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fierceeagle2003 said:
Been almost a year and my 3g service is poor outside, and still no 4g in my area of south jersey. I really luv this evo, but my girl has thunderbolt from verizon and her service is amazing with no signal problems! Sorry had to vent, but sprint needs to get there 3 and 4 g up to speed or im making the jump to verizon! They should not advertise 4g when its not even available!
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Huh... Clear map says you have coverage... take the 4g issue up with them. Call Sprint with your 3g issues, you might get a credit. ALso, if you jump ship remember SPrint own 3times as much spectrum then Verizon or Att. Eventually when their networks are congested, Sprint will have plenty more to play with.

i agree..3g here has been horrible since november of last year and verizons service here is awesome..on top of that verizon lte will be in my area in a few months...even more of a reason to jump ship..

Hey, 4g is in philly, not south jersey, we get the ****ty outcast signal , i want 4g all over south jersey! Were now in quarter 1 of 2011 when this phone has been out for almost a year! They need to stop [email protected]$%* and fix the problem, and ive been with sprint since 2000 long time custy , they need to do whats right!
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blakeboys said:
Huh... Clear map says you have coverage... take the 4g issue up with them. Call Sprint with your 3g issues, you might get a credit. ALso, if you jump ship remember SPrint own 3times as much spectrum then Verizon or Att. Eventually when their networks are congested, Sprint will have plenty more to play with.
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Yea and by the time Sprint actually implements that spectrum and puts it to use itll be years from now.

I just jumped...well tomorrow my tbolt will be here. Wanted to stay but couldnt take the data issues. They waved my etf cause ive been complaining once a wk since nov. It wasnt easy getting them to wave it. Others are jumping to.

I downloaded Firefox 4 today - it took a good 30 minutes. Ridiculous.
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I just jumped ship from TMO to Sprint because I couldn't get 3G anywhere near home here in Oklahoma but every single other carrier had it. I have had great experience with Sprints 3G. What are you guys speeds? I download at a consistent 1mbit or better.

dowmace said:
I just jumped ship from TMO to Sprint because I couldn't get 3G anywhere near home here in Oklahoma but every single other carrier had it. I have had great experience with Sprints 3G. What are you guys speeds? I download at a consistent 1mbit or better.
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<500kbit in NYC. Usually around 300, used to get 1.5 mbit about a year ago.
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Even if you get 4g in your area it still sucks as far as building penetration

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I downloaded Firefox 4 today - it took a good 30 minutes. Ridiculous.
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Dude.....if that takes 30 mins, then you should switch RIGHT NOW. i love the EVO and all of its glory but you should at least get a phone that is enjoyable to have.

I guess I got it good in Houston. My 3G speeds are good, 4G is even better. If they were as you are describing I would have ditched sprint a long time ago!

I'm a long way from you guys, near Toronto, well, between Toronto and Detroit. I did a quick speed test tonight and my hsupa speeds were faster than when I'm home on wifi!? I'll post some #'s momentarily.
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tkjeeper said:
I'm a long way from you guys, near Toronto, well, between Toronto and Detroit. I did a quick speed test tonight and my hsupa speeds were faster than when I'm home on wifi!? I'll post some #'s momentarily.
Bah, made a liar out of me! Must have been the area I was in! 3.3 mb/s on wifi, 1 mb/s in home, wifi off, hsupa on. Oh well.
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dowmace said:
I just jumped ship from TMO to Sprint because I couldn't get 3G anywhere near home here in Oklahoma but every single other carrier had it. I have had great experience with Sprints 3G. What are you guys speeds? I download at a consistent 1mbit or better.
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Same here...

Just a random question

Was sprint version of 4g some sick joke that no one seem to get?
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blackdragon79 said:
Was sprint version of 4g some sick joke that no one seem to get?
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Huh? Do you mean the Wimax they puchased from Clearwire? It works well in my area when it's not down. About 5X faster than 3G.

I get good 4G in my area
EDIT - but don't really have a need for it

I have to agree with OP ... even when i can get 4g i don't use it b/c it's never been alot faster than 3g for me ...

I feel that when you make purchase like a cellphone you should do some research first. Especially about signal quality. Im not upset about the 2 mile radius of 4g I get in davenport, iowa. I knew it was weak. And I know that signal quality can drop alot by going inside a building or even in a car. I know from my experience that 4g in chicago and orlando has far exceeded my expectations. Either deal with it or go away. Complaints here wont make your 4g better.
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My honest opinion:
It was a bold and possibly masterful move which serves to fulfill both a short and long-term goal.
In the short-term, it allowed them to lay claim to being the first US carrier to feature "4g". In hindsight this may seem trivial, but it had the immediate impact of gaining a lot of new and upgrading subscribers locked into 2 year contracts due only to the fact that they were the only ones around with 4g, and the idea sounded intriguing to many users. They of course had to have known of wimax's poor performance compared to LTE, but a company (clearwire) had already laid some groundwork so it would allow them a window to be the only one with 4g. That, combined with my next reason, is why I think they went with wimax. A pretty bold move by only the 3rd largest wireless carrier.
The long-term goal and the possibly masterful explantion deals with, of course as we've all heard before, the possibility that Sprint may convert their iden network (which is huge) to LTE. If/when Sprint officially confirms this, it should solidify my thoery. What I have learned here is that wimax and LTE can operate simultaneously on a device. This would be an ideal setup as a user can have the best of both worlds: wimax with it's higher operating frequency has the potential to have a higher data density, where as LTE provides much better building and terrain penetration with it's lower frequency. Should Sprint in fact decide to do this, they would near instantly have the largest and possibly most reliable 4g network.
This could also possibly explain Sprint's previously sudden decision to go with wimax when it had appeared they were dead set on LTE. It seems very possible that the idea might have popped in to their head back when all this debate was happening, and after crunching the numbers decided they could afford such a longterm plan. The fruition of this down-the-road decision combined with the boost they got in the short-run from being the first 4g carrier would decisively increase both their stature an their revenue.
This is, of course, entirely speculation and conjecture. But remember that Dan Hesse is no idiot.
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Stupid double post

My 4g kills 3g. Two days ago I was downloading at just under 10000 Kbps, and I routinely get 6500-7000 outside and 2500-4500 inside buildings. This is easily 4-15x faster than the 600-800 I get on 3g. I can tether to my laptop at my house and stream Netflix without constant interruptions and buffering.
I cannot and will not complain about data speeds over 4g.
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Xiutehcuhtli said:
My 4g kills 3g. Two days ago I was downloading at just under 10000 Kbps, and I routinely get 6500-7000 outside and 2500-4500 inside buildings. This is easily 4-15x faster than the 600-800 I get on 3g. I can tether to my laptop at my house and stream Netflix without constant interruptions and buffering.
I cannot and will not complain about data speeds over 4g.
Please excuse any erors or typos as this massage was sent from my mobil device.
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Same here. I find 3G almost unusuable since they basically launched 4G in my area the week Epic came out. 5000-8000 kbps download and a steady 1400 kbps upload speed. If you haven't had it yet then that's probably better because its worse to have it for a brief time then have to give it up
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The only thing Wimax is faster than is ATT "4G" joke but ATT is still better because it's actually 3G that you can use all the time. Tmo "4G" is faster than than wimax and Verizon is faster than any other carrier. So other than wasting a lot of money that they don't have, I don't see why Sprint kept building wimax towers after they saw how poor the frequency was. And before everyone goes bananas with "sprint has truly unlimited" blah blah blah, that's not going to work forever. Their 3G network is so far behind all the other carriers and it's not getting any better.

blackdragon79 said:
Was sprint version of 4g some sick joke that no one seem to get?
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Please formulate thoughts and ideas prior to posting. I have no idea what you're trying to say.
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RushAOZ said:
Please formulate thoughts and ideas prior to posting. I have no idea what you're trying to say.
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Let's see if Verizon and T-Mobile's speeds stay that high as more people get 4G. Sprint sold a ton of Epics and Evos...maybe I am just making excuses
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4G where it shouldnt be...

So I work for sprint, in a corporate full service store in Albuquerque, NM. I have been having customers come in to my store for the last few months telling me they have been getting 4G. I normally just nod my head, tell them "thats cool" and send them on their way. Our city took a long time to get 3G, so the thought that we are getting 4G (when it hasnt even been announced in any new markets in quite a while) is ridiculous.
A week ago, to experiment, I turned 4G on at my house to see what would happen. "4G connected" popped up in my toolbar. A signal strength-o-meter notified me I had 2 bars of 4G service. I still remained skeptical, quite certain Ashton Kutcher was going to pop out and notify me I was punk'd. I downloaded speedtest, and lo and behold, I am clocking 5+mbps in my house. Needless to say, I am very pleasantly shocked. No where is there any documentation that my city should have 4G.... But, I got it.
Lesson of the story: Fire up that 4G radio every once in a while, you never know what might show up!

According to Clear's coverage map, downtown Detroit has 4G. I was able to connect to it once, but never again after that.
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viper786 said:
According to Clear's coverage map, downtown Detroit has 4G. I was able to connect to it once, but never again after that.
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That happened to me last year here in Boston, MA. I had good 4G server but one day it just vannished. After several months they restablished connection and now its even faster than before.
I've worked in the past rolling out GSM antennas an I know how th radio department thinks; its a tough job to make sure the right desicion is taken in every city and every location within, patience is the key.
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viper786 said:
According to Clear's coverage map, downtown Detroit has 4G. I was able to connect to it once, but never again after that.
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There's this one very specific spot in my shop (warren, mi) that I get 4g. Might be one bar but got it there. Move the phone from the little spot and ill drop the signal. Can't get it outside of the shop or anything. Just that one spot. Very weird lol.
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Don't just look at sprint's coverage map, also look at Clear's, they even have an app for android called "Got Clear?" that helps you find 4G pockets. As for 4G in maricopa valley... still absolutely nothing except for PARTS of mesa and PARTS of Scottsdale... its messed up.

You are lucky to be in coverae of a spectrum protection site. Check out clear.com or sensorly.com maps.

viper786 said:
According to Clear's coverage map, downtown Detroit has 4G. I was able to connect to it once, but never again after that.
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Same here...I'm really surprised they don't have better coverage here, but Grand Rapids has it. Makes no sense to me.
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Art2Fly said:
Don't just look at sprint's coverage map, also look at Clear's, they even have an app for android called "Got Clear?" that helps you find 4G pockets. As for 4G in maricopa valley... still absolutely nothing except for PARTS of mesa and PARTS of Scottsdale... its messed up.
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Remember hearing they were testing a really fast wimax/lte here in phoenix? Doubt we'll ever get wimax 4g here if they are moving to lte.
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djjroc007 said:
Same here...I'm really surprised they don't have better coverage here, but Grand Rapids has it. Makes no sense to me.
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Oh yeah, almost forgot... according to Clear's coverage map, there is 4G about 3 miles east of my house. I've never been able to connect to 4G in that area though. Wonder what's up with that... hopefully when LTE rolls out, Detroit/Metro Detroit doesn't get screwed over again
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I just hope and pray that the gs2 will be able to connect to lte, maybe that's why sprint is holding out on releasing the within...

The only 4g in my town makes no sense at all, it is lining the freeway for about a mile and that's it, tried to get close to try it but cant , why would they do this so no one but ppl on the freeway can use it?
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IT's a conspiracy to get more people to text and drive and die texting so they can control population and then control our minds by limiting our range of service.

my town is supposed to have 4g but i've only ever gotten it to connect on this 1 road and it disconnects after a minute. :[

This is bull

The only way I make a call that won't drop is by rooting my phone and using the roam control app. Wtf sprint? Why cant we get the strong signal on the sprint network that we get from roaming?
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blackdragon79 said:
The only way I make a call that won't drop is by rooting my phone and using the roam control app. Wtf sprint? Why cant we get the strong signal on the sprint network that we get from roaming?
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You realize that there is probably someone that has Verizon that does the same thing and is complaining about the same thing???
You aren't going to get perfect signal everywhere from any carrier.

blackdragon79 said:
The only way I make a call that won't drop is by rooting my phone and using the roam control app. Wtf sprint? Why cant we get the strong signal on the sprint network that we get from roaming?
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Milkman00 said:
You realize that there is probably someone that has Verizon that does the same thing and is complaining about the same thing???
You aren't going to get perfect signal everywhere from any carrier.
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Yeah, except Sprint was the last one in the spectrum pool, so they ended up with the 1900 mhz spectrum, which doesn't penetrate buildings and cars as well as the 800 mhz spectrum that the other folks are playing with. And don't get me started with the 2.5 gHz spectrum that WiMax is living on.

+1 on crap signal everywhere
+1 on the 1900 PCS band being garbage
+1 on 2.5 ghz being even worse
Higher the freq, higher the loss....
I carry an Epic, a Captivate and a 7" G-Tab. I keep my epic permanently roamed on Verizon for voice services, leave the tab on Sprint for unlimited data and the cappy is for work. Verizon by far has the best call quality and highest signal levels. Even when in a spot with full bars on all of them, big red calls sound the clearest.

Google Network Vision. Just be patient.

offtohavasu said:
Google Network Vision. Just be patient.
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What the hell is that? Source?

DangerZone1223 said:
What the hell is that? Source?
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http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19

DangerZone1223 said:
What the hell is that? Source?
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Network Vision is Sprint's attempt to become the most dependable (if not best) network by 2013. They're converting EACH of their towers to multinode frequencies. So, each tower's radius will be increased along with the amount of capacity it can handle. Those areas where you have1 bar should increase dramatically (and it should all be done by 2013-2014).

Overstew said:
Network Vision is Sprint's attempt to become the most dependable (if not best) network by 2013. They're converting EACH of their towers to multinode frequencies. So, each tower's radius will be increased along with the amount of capacity it can handle. Those areas where you have1 bar should increase dramatically (and it should all be done by 2013-2014).
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Cool I wish it be sooner tho lol.
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Esteway.619 said:
Cool I wish it be sooner tho lol.
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I'm excited about it! Sprint is also introducing an enhanced 1x/3G technology (EvDo B) which is supposed to have speeds equal to or greater than WiMax (greater than 19mbps.)

Overstew said:
Network Vision is Sprint's attempt to become the most dependable (if not best) network by 2013. They're converting EACH of their towers to multinode frequencies. So, each tower's radius will be increased along with the amount of capacity it can handle. Those areas where you have1 bar should increase dramatically (and it should all be done by 2013-2014).
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I can appreciate what they're doing to fix this problem and I appreciate you giving this info. But like I said in a similar conversation yesterday, I can't wait until 2013 to make a reliable phone call. Patience is one thing, but waiting 2 years to make a phone call from my desk is a bit much. Once winter hits I won't want to go stand in freezing tempretures to save 20 bucks a month on my phone bill.
Edit: I know this pic is blurry, but it shows 1 bar of Sprint vs full bars of AT&T. If AT&T can make it in here, I deserve at least 2 or 3 bars from Sprint damnit!

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I'm excited about it! Sprint is also introducing an enhanced 1x/3G technology (EvDo B) which is supposed to have speeds equal to or greater than WiMax (greater than 19mbps.)
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Verizon was gonna roll out rev b. Vut then sprint jumped the gun and threatened them with wimax lol i dont think rev b is faster than wimax...but prolly somewhere near
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A_Flying_Fox said:
Verizon was gonna roll out rev b. Vut then sprint jumped the gun and threatened them with wimax lol i dont think rev b is faster than wimax...but prolly somewhere near
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The most I've ever hit was 11 mbps on Wimax. Maybe it's because I'm sharing the network, though.

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The most I've ever hit was 11 mbps on Wimax. Maybe it's because I'm sharing the network, though.
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Its because they're rate limiting it...

I was in a building today where the opposite is true. Zero service from Verizon and 4 bars from Sprint. It just seems funny to me when people make these complaints. If you don't get service where you spend a majority of your time, you picked the wrong provider. If AT&T was the only company that had good service where I live, i'd be paying a lot more for cell service. Fortunately for me, all the major providers are pretty equal in Portland, so I can go cheap lol

Specialksg1 said:
I was in a building today where the opposite is true. Zero service from Verizon and 4 bars from Sprint. It just seems funny to me when people make these complaints. If you don't get service where you spend a majority of your time, you picked the wrong provider. If AT&T was the only company that had good service where I live, i'd be paying a lot more for cell service. Fortunately for me, all the major providers are pretty equal in Portland, so I can go cheap lol
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I dont get service in my house. I step RIGHT out the door, BOOM im drowning in spectrum. Come in, no service. Lol im sure my walls arent made of led since i get full service roaming on verizon.
I hope with network vision, they really up the building penetration of atleast 3g. I also get 1 bar of 4g with the random reconnect (which i dont blame it on...im lucky it catches the signal at all!) and 0-1 bars of Sprint (all g's) lol
when i head upstairs...i get all bars everything. just my part of the house is whack

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The most I've ever hit was 11 mbps on Wimax. Maybe it's because I'm sharing the network, though.
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thats the most ive hit too lol so that immediately screams "CAP!" to me lol.
but nah sprint was gonna have rev b a long time ago as well but decided against it. I think the max was only 6mbs or something. Source where its capable of 19mbs please? (just curious cuz rev b interested me since i found out about it the day i got my hero...)

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thats the most ive hit too lol so that immediately screams "CAP!" to me lol.
but nah sprint was gonna have rev b a long time ago as well but decided against it. I think the max was only 6mbs or something. Source where its capable of 19mbs please? (just curious cuz rev b interested me since i found out about it the day i got my hero...)
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1253405

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I dont get service in my house. I step RIGHT out the door, BOOM im drowning in spectrum. Come in, no service. Lol im sure my walls arent made of led since i get full service roaming on verizon.
I hope with network vision, they really up the building penetration of atleast 3g. I also get 1 bar of 4g with the random reconnect (which i dont blame it on...im lucky it catches the signal at all!) and 0-1 bars of Sprint (all g's) lol
when i head upstairs...i get all bars everything. just my part of the house is whack
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Hey, I'm all for improved penetration ... wait, what were we talking about??

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I hope with network vision, they really up the building penetration of atleast 3g.
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I don't think that will be possible. The part of the 3G spectrum Sprint owns is not very good at penetrating buildings. The best you could hope for is that with a stronger signal strength they'll be able to compensate for that technical limitation, but it won't be as good as what other carriers offer in terms of building penetration.

Sprint LTE Confirmed by the End of 2012

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Right on time for my 2 upgrades in July...c'mon on physical keyboard GSIII w/LTE!
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So is there a map somewhere that shows Sprint's LTE tower upgrade progress??? I am wondering if I will have 4G in my area ever. Obviously I know I will need a new phone, I am just curious how large their LTE network is and is going to be.

Milkman00 said:
So is there a map somewhere that shows Sprint's LTE tower upgrade progress??? I am wondering if I will have 4G in my area ever. Obviously I know I will need a new phone, I am just curious how large their LTE network is and is going to be.
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They want to cover the country by 2013. It states to reach 250 million potential subscribers. There are only 300 million Americans so.......
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At least in my area I just got WiMax, which has been available for a year just one mile away from me, but stopped short of my house. Now I get a 4G signal at my home, and 3G has improved speed wise (over 1.5 Mbps DL consistently) as well, so I think they have definitely been doing tower upgrades.

They want to expand to the size of Verizon's 4G LTE network, which is about to turn a year old. It will take twice as long as it took Verizon, but for a small carrier, this is a big accomplishment.

Will this improve existing 4g?

TechSr06 said:
Will this improve existing 4g?
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No that is seperate. They have been improving the WiMax network. I can get 4G in the towns surrounding me now when I could barely get it at home months ago.
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Will this improve existing 4g?
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Clearwire just go an infusion of new cash, so there will probably be minor improvements to the existing 4G Wimax, but mostly just maintenance. The focus is now on LTE.

kennyglass123 said:
They want to cover the country by 2013. It states to reach 250 million potential subscribers. There are only 300 million Americans so.......
.... so i will still not be getting it. lol
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this shows what updates happened in your area 6months ago, and what the next 6months:
https://network.sprint.com/
its for 3G, but its an start.

so i guess this wont be the big January announcement then.