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Wimax/LTE chip?

4g wimax/ LTE both?
Got the epic a few weeks ago and the display sheet for the phone showed wimax and lte but the evo didn't. So I asked the sale person if it is a typo and he said no. The phone would need just the software to enable the LTE. He asked a co worker and he said the same. Does the epic actually have a wimax/lte enabled chip or are they just going by a typo? Was just wondering as I know sprint is looking at LTE now.

Highly doubt it...there isn't much of a way to get a sim card in the phone...

A combination flustercuck of a typo and reps who don't know what they were talking about.
Epic has no LTE hardware.

I figured they were stupid. I figured if they really put both chips in here the cost would be more kinda like a global phone. Would be cool though if they would and allowed us to use verizons lte just like roaming on the 3g side.

Kcarpenter said:
Highly doubt it...there isn't much of a way to get a sim card in the phone...
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Lte doesn't need sim cards and he didn't say gsm say your response is not valid. I'm not 100% on this but all sprint has to do for lte is switch out very minor things. The only difference with our phones is the spectrum it is looking for. So since we have 4g and maybe the software can make it lte. Its possible I think.
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jbadboy2007 said:
Lte doesn't need sim cards and he didn't say gsm say your response is not valid. I'm not 100% on this but all sprint has to do for lte is switch out very minor things. The only difference with our phones is the spectrum it is looking for. So since we have 4g and maybe the software can make it lte. Its possible I think.
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Doesn't LTE require a sim card though? I remember seeing a sim card on the thunderbolt
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http://www.google.com/m/url?client=...YQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNGVHbjKzqjmuBU-GpssbLsI8KIueg
Lte is using sim cards...at least on verizon's implementation.
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I bet that will allow lte roaming on att/tmobile one day then. Dang.

Txdaredvl said:
I bet that will allow lte roaming on att/tmobile one day then. Dang.
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Never. Different spectrum used and even then ATT and Verizon have no reason to sign roaming agreements when they are each others biggest competitors.
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jbadboy2007 said:
Lte doesn't need sim cards and he didn't say gsm say your response is not valid. I'm not 100% on this but all sprint has to do for lte is switch out very minor things. The only difference with our phones is the spectrum it is looking for. So since we have 4g and maybe the software can make it lte. Its possible I think.
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Uh Huh...show me an implementation for LTE that doesn't use a Sim card for network authentication.
I mean GSM doesn't "Require" a sim either, that can be spoofed with hardware...just sayin.
I mean at least in for me, I have put 32 Sim cards in Verizon Pantec UX260 USB Aircards for some reason....

They can configure these phones however they want. We have 4g with no sim card. 4g is almost exactly the same thing as lte just different frequency that's all.
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How about this article where they state what Sprint has said on the matter?

jbadboy2007 said:
They can configure these phones however they want. We have 4g with no sim card. 4g is almost exactly the same thing as lte just different frequency that's all.
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Ummm no...the entire protocol is different.
there are currently 3 popular 4g implementations.
HSPA+ with Extended Backhaul (ATT, Tmo)
LTE (VZW, Metro, non national carriers, EVENTUALLY ATT and Tmo on different freqs)
WiMax (Sprint)
The only thing these share is the 4G monicker. The technologies are enitrely different, the protocol is entirely different, the modems are entirely different.

Kcarpenter said:
HSPA+ with Extended Backhaul (ATT, Tmo)
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FTFY. AT&T's HSPA+ is very slow - there's no additional capacity or speed to be had.

Gersonian said:
How about this article where they state what Sprint has said on the matter?
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well...i wonder how true that article is...if it could just be a switch on the towers and a software patch it would be nice

imtjnotu said:
well...i wonder how true that article is...if it could just be a switch on the towers and a software patch it would be nice
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It would be nice cuz we paid a lot money for a 4g phone that some of us don't even have 4g like in San Diego I would be very mad cuz we where promise 4g by the end of this year
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I saw. Some company announcing a dual lte/wimax chip about 6 months ago. Since the modem controls these chips it isn't a far stretch to have software that will switch modems as needed.

According to a seemingly knowledgeable manager I met with (he was down with rooting and xda lol) wimax is compatable with lte with a software update. But, honestly I doubt it.
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adrift02 said:
According to a seemingly knowledgeable manager I met with (he was down with rooting and xda lol) wimax is compatable with lte with a software update. But, honestly I doubt it.
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That's what the 2 best buy employees said. Wasnt sure as most there are there for the money and know nothing. I asked if the evo had the LTE chip too as it wasnt listed and they said no but the Epic did. I couldnt imagine sprint leaving people hanging in today's phone battles. I will have to ask a store manager if they work there and see if they have any knowledge of it yet or if we will be able to roam. I thought LTE was near the same freq. for sprint and verizon with sprint just having the larger freq bandwidth due to LTE WIMAX.

This came up back when WiMAX was first being introduced. I remember the CEO for Clear said multiple times that the WiMAX infrastructure was software "swappable" to LTE. It wouldn't surprise me if phones were the same.

Sprint switcing from Wimax

Well as many of you read on Engadget about Sprint switching from WiMax to LTE. Well naturally being curious, while I was stopping by my parents house on the way home I asked my dad who worked in telecom for most of my life doing contract work for Sprint. He now has since moved out telecom to some other department, but he still keeps up with his telecom friends who do contracting work for Sprint. Anyways back to the point I asked if these rumors were true. He said Yes they are switching from WiMax, but not to what and that Samsung is providing the equipment. If i find out anymore information I will let you know.

i dont really know anything about the 4g radio in my evo, but would it still work on LTE?

omgzilla85 said:
i dont really know anything about the 4g radio in my evo, but would it still work on LTE?
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Everything would still work on the phone but the 4G LTE.

There aren't phasing out WiMax yet from what it sounds like, but since the Evo 4G wasn't designed with LTE in mind then no the LTE won't work on the Evo.

evilware said:
There aren't phasing out WiMax yet from what it sounds like, but since the Evo 4G wasn't designed with LTE in mind then no the LTE won't work on the Evo.
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but does this mean that they are going to stop expanding the 4g network, and focus only on getting LTE up in more places? this is kind of a kick in the balls for people who just bought 4g capable devices with sprint.

They'll probably continue to expand and run Wimax on 2.5 Ghz and run LTE in parallel on 850 Mhz.

The way I understand, you would be able to swap out cards in the towers to swap out from wimax to lte... At least on new towers. Is that true?

Bukem75 said:
The way I understand, you would be able to swap out cards in the towers to swap out from wimax to lte... At least on new towers. Is that true?
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Yes, but you can't swap out the hardware in your phone from wimax to LTE.

So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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mbaseball3 said:
So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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By the time this is completed, the Evo will be obsolete.

mbaseball3 said:
So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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No lol.. i am sure if you have 4g service you would still get it.

No offense but you have like 5 posts Including 2 in this thread, and you've been a member here just as long as I have pretty much...I'll believe it when I see it, and as ruge said, the evo will be the compare to as the nextel chirp phones back in the day and the razor, obsolete, trust me, no evo will have lte

the Evo 2A will have lte, I promise

Edit: I am changing this because I read this post wrong. You are right they are about to use Samsung products on the new towers but its not to change wimax, it is to make the towers more efficient and smaller. From what I was told they will use new technology which will allow them to add all services on one tower and be able to free up frequency to build out. It would not be imho to drop wimax because they will be the only ones to utilize it giving them an advantage in developing. Back on topic he is correct they are making upgrades and using new hardware within the towers but I think its imho to have voice/data simultaneous on a cdma network (a first) and they will do it with wimax 2 starting 2012...(that is just my opinion)

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Credit-Suisse-SprintLightsquared-Deal-to-be-Announced-Soon-113587
They seem pretty adamant on sprint moving to lte
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gamer4208 said:
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Credit-Suisse-SprintLightsquared-Deal-to-be-Announced-Soon-113587
They seem pretty adamant on sprint moving to lte
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yes it will be BOTH, in years from now, which will be = 2 the razr in todays age

craigbailey1986 said:
This is complete bs as I know 2 top engineers working for sprint and neither have heard such news.... now I usually don't feed into this he say/she say because it won't change a thing but please don't spread speculations amongst the forum without having concrete facts. Sprint also stated recently they were keeping there 800 spectrum and making upgrades to it for business who utilize the "ptt" phones and not using it for lte. All it takes is a little reading....
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I believe I know the article you are referring to as it was in another thread on here and discussed the new PTT service they will use once IDEN is turned off and it will include more speeds and the likes for data.
The way I took the article was that the new PTT phones will take advantage of the new network upgrade they are performing i think its called Sprints Network vision. The multimode base-stations will be the key to it all.
In the end the change allows them to use all the networks more interchangably from what I understand.
I would not expect them to keep the 800MHz band for CDMA PTT. they stated that CDMA PTT phones will be out late this year and if thats the case and they were planning on having them run on the IDEN 800MHz band wouldn't IDEN need to be shut off first? I take it as the CDMA PTT phones will run on the regular network and use data form the 800MHz once they deploy LTE on that. they can't put WiMax on the 800MHz b/c WiMax isn't provisioned in that spectrum at this point.

As I stated in my edited reply it would not make sense to use technology the others are using because it would not make good marketing. Also wimax 2 will be out second quarter or half this year, can't recall, and around the exact same time frame for those new phones. Also the new hardware being supplied to sprint and their new plan is at the core of what wimax 2 is. Which is stated to give better download speed and efficiency thru multi data channels. The company supplying the hardware, Samsung, also The first company to test wimax 2 and said it got 130mbs download, but that's with no one else testing it. But you get the picture.... I hope
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My main issue with sprint is signal penetration. Once I get in a building or etc my signal just goes to ****. My coworkers have t-mobile and Verizon and they get full bars sitting next to me laughing at my 1 bar. It has been this way for years.
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dirkyd3rk said:
My main issue with sprint is signal penetration. Once I get in a building or etc my signal just goes to ****. My coworkers have t-mobile and Verizon and they get full bars sitting next to me laughing at my 1 bar. It has been this way for years.
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Sorry to hear that... I also don't get good signal in certain places but hey each carrier has bad spots, when I am in the studio some artist who have iPhone or att don't have any service while myself and engineer have full bars, though he has Verizon
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Just a random question

Was sprint version of 4g some sick joke that no one seem to get?
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blackdragon79 said:
Was sprint version of 4g some sick joke that no one seem to get?
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Huh? Do you mean the Wimax they puchased from Clearwire? It works well in my area when it's not down. About 5X faster than 3G.

I get good 4G in my area
EDIT - but don't really have a need for it

I have to agree with OP ... even when i can get 4g i don't use it b/c it's never been alot faster than 3g for me ...

I feel that when you make purchase like a cellphone you should do some research first. Especially about signal quality. Im not upset about the 2 mile radius of 4g I get in davenport, iowa. I knew it was weak. And I know that signal quality can drop alot by going inside a building or even in a car. I know from my experience that 4g in chicago and orlando has far exceeded my expectations. Either deal with it or go away. Complaints here wont make your 4g better.
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My honest opinion:
It was a bold and possibly masterful move which serves to fulfill both a short and long-term goal.
In the short-term, it allowed them to lay claim to being the first US carrier to feature "4g". In hindsight this may seem trivial, but it had the immediate impact of gaining a lot of new and upgrading subscribers locked into 2 year contracts due only to the fact that they were the only ones around with 4g, and the idea sounded intriguing to many users. They of course had to have known of wimax's poor performance compared to LTE, but a company (clearwire) had already laid some groundwork so it would allow them a window to be the only one with 4g. That, combined with my next reason, is why I think they went with wimax. A pretty bold move by only the 3rd largest wireless carrier.
The long-term goal and the possibly masterful explantion deals with, of course as we've all heard before, the possibility that Sprint may convert their iden network (which is huge) to LTE. If/when Sprint officially confirms this, it should solidify my thoery. What I have learned here is that wimax and LTE can operate simultaneously on a device. This would be an ideal setup as a user can have the best of both worlds: wimax with it's higher operating frequency has the potential to have a higher data density, where as LTE provides much better building and terrain penetration with it's lower frequency. Should Sprint in fact decide to do this, they would near instantly have the largest and possibly most reliable 4g network.
This could also possibly explain Sprint's previously sudden decision to go with wimax when it had appeared they were dead set on LTE. It seems very possible that the idea might have popped in to their head back when all this debate was happening, and after crunching the numbers decided they could afford such a longterm plan. The fruition of this down-the-road decision combined with the boost they got in the short-run from being the first 4g carrier would decisively increase both their stature an their revenue.
This is, of course, entirely speculation and conjecture. But remember that Dan Hesse is no idiot.
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Stupid double post

My 4g kills 3g. Two days ago I was downloading at just under 10000 Kbps, and I routinely get 6500-7000 outside and 2500-4500 inside buildings. This is easily 4-15x faster than the 600-800 I get on 3g. I can tether to my laptop at my house and stream Netflix without constant interruptions and buffering.
I cannot and will not complain about data speeds over 4g.
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Xiutehcuhtli said:
My 4g kills 3g. Two days ago I was downloading at just under 10000 Kbps, and I routinely get 6500-7000 outside and 2500-4500 inside buildings. This is easily 4-15x faster than the 600-800 I get on 3g. I can tether to my laptop at my house and stream Netflix without constant interruptions and buffering.
I cannot and will not complain about data speeds over 4g.
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Same here. I find 3G almost unusuable since they basically launched 4G in my area the week Epic came out. 5000-8000 kbps download and a steady 1400 kbps upload speed. If you haven't had it yet then that's probably better because its worse to have it for a brief time then have to give it up
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The only thing Wimax is faster than is ATT "4G" joke but ATT is still better because it's actually 3G that you can use all the time. Tmo "4G" is faster than than wimax and Verizon is faster than any other carrier. So other than wasting a lot of money that they don't have, I don't see why Sprint kept building wimax towers after they saw how poor the frequency was. And before everyone goes bananas with "sprint has truly unlimited" blah blah blah, that's not going to work forever. Their 3G network is so far behind all the other carriers and it's not getting any better.

blackdragon79 said:
Was sprint version of 4g some sick joke that no one seem to get?
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Please formulate thoughts and ideas prior to posting. I have no idea what you're trying to say.
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RushAOZ said:
Please formulate thoughts and ideas prior to posting. I have no idea what you're trying to say.
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Let's see if Verizon and T-Mobile's speeds stay that high as more people get 4G. Sprint sold a ton of Epics and Evos...maybe I am just making excuses
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Lightsquared LTE

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I bet part of this was to stay competitive in the future iPhone market. I know there's only slight hints for an iPhone on Sprint, but I can feel it coming.The iPhone 5 will probably "only" be HSPA+ ready, but next year I'm sure it will be LTE ready. I very much doubt that Apple would build a WiMax version of the iPhone for only Sprint, and with Sprint's future looking bleak, they need every competitive advantage they can get.

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Ok it is my good sir
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Award Tour said:
I bet part of this was to stay competitive in the future iPhone market. I know there's only slight hints for an iPhone on Sprint, but I can feel it coming.The iPhone 5 will probably "only" be HSPA+ ready, but next year I'm sure it will be LTE ready. I very much doubt that Apple would build a WiMax version of the iPhone for only Sprint, and with Sprint's future looking bleak, they need every competitive advantage they can get.
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That could definitely be a reason. Steve Jobs wouldn't approve a WiMax iPhone.
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Well they need to something and i doubt its because of the iphone... Sure sprint has wimax but it Really can't compete with verizon LTE and the sprint 3g network is really slow compared to every other carrier... I am really curious to hear what they have planned... I want to be a sprint customer but i won't jump ship untill i can get consistently fast speeds like i have on tmobile
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newspeak said:
Well they need to something and i doubt its because of the iphone... Sure sprint has wimax but it Really can't compete with verizon LTE and the sprint 3g network is really slow compared to every other carrier... I am really curious to hear what they have planned... I want to be a sprint customer but i won't jump ship untill i can get consistently fast speeds like i have on tmobile
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Their 3G was top notch for a while and LTE and WiMax would both be ****ty on the 2500 spectrum WiMax is on right now. LTE from light squares is going on 1600
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But think about this. They are not going to be sinking any more money into Wimax now to expand it. And they are starting from scratch for LTE. By the time they even have enough LTE as they do Wimax (which still is not a lot) everyone else is going to be done building their LTE network. So basically Sprint is not going to have a good 4G network now for at least 4-5 years. So everyone get used to your slow data speeds. We are gonna have em for a while. Yay, way to go Sprint.

violent23 said:
But think about this. They are not going to be sinking any more money into Wimax now to expand it. And they are starting from scratch for LTE. By the time they even have enough LTE as they do Wimax (which still is not a lot) everyone else is going to be done building their LTE network. So basically Sprint is not going to have a good 4G network now for at least 4-5 years. So everyone get used to your slow data speeds. We are gonna have em for a while. Yay, way to go Sprint.
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Your basing all this on the mistaken notion that Sprint is going to start building an LTE network from scratch starting right now.
Lightsquared has been working on this for a while and should launch next year.
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violent23 said:
But think about this. They are not going to be sinking any more money into Wimax now to expand it. And they are starting from scratch for LTE. By the time they even have enough LTE as they do Wimax (which still is not a lot) everyone else is going to be done building their LTE network. So basically Sprint is not going to have a good 4G network now for at least 4-5 years. So everyone get used to your slow data speeds. We are gonna have em for a while. Yay, way to go Sprint.
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They're not stopping their wimax network if that's what you think
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they have a contarct to use clears wimax until 2012, they said ages ago, to switch from wimax to lte takes 1 module added onto the tower, so a year tops to convert wimax locations to lte locations

Award Tour said:
I bet part of this was to stay competitive in the future iPhone market. I know there's only slight hints for an iPhone on Sprint, but I can feel it coming.The iPhone 5 will probably "only" be HSPA+ ready, but next year I'm sure it will be LTE ready. I very much doubt that Apple would build a WiMax version of the iPhone for only Sprint, and with Sprint's future looking bleak, they need every competitive advantage they can get.
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Apple Exec's and Sprint Exec's do not like each other at all. Apple thinks Sprint is a 2nd rate wireless company going down the tubes. Sprint would not be willing to pay their royalty clauses that Apple wants. You like Iphone 4 or 5 you need to go to Verizon or At&T. Samsung & HTC phones have gotten so much better. It is real competition now to Apple. Until the relationship is repaired you will never see an Iphone on Sprint.

shabbypenguin said:
they have a contarct to use clears wimax until 2012, they said ages ago, to switch from wimax to lte takes 1 module added onto the tower, so a year tops to convert wimax locations to lte locations
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sounds good but now i wonder if people are going to hold off on current phones and future phones waiting for LTE Models i doubt it but it could hurt a bit

Award Tour said:
I bet part of this was to stay competitive in the future iPhone market. I know there's only slight hints for an iPhone on Sprint, but I can feel it coming.The iPhone 5 will probably "only" be HSPA+ ready, but next year I'm sure it will be LTE ready. I very much doubt that Apple would build a WiMax version of the iPhone for only Sprint, and with Sprint's future looking bleak, they need every competitive advantage they can get.
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Wish I could have profits in the billions and a loss of less than a billion and have my outlook bleak
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cdw9800 said:
sounds good but now i wonder if people are going to hold off on current phones and future phones waiting for LTE Models i doubt it but it could hurt a bit
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I plan on switching to an LTE phone as soon as its available on Sprint. I live and work in the dallas area and their wimax coverage sucks here.
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Sprint LTE Confirmed by the End of 2012

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Right on time for my 2 upgrades in July...c'mon on physical keyboard GSIII w/LTE!
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So is there a map somewhere that shows Sprint's LTE tower upgrade progress??? I am wondering if I will have 4G in my area ever. Obviously I know I will need a new phone, I am just curious how large their LTE network is and is going to be.

Milkman00 said:
So is there a map somewhere that shows Sprint's LTE tower upgrade progress??? I am wondering if I will have 4G in my area ever. Obviously I know I will need a new phone, I am just curious how large their LTE network is and is going to be.
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They want to cover the country by 2013. It states to reach 250 million potential subscribers. There are only 300 million Americans so.......
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At least in my area I just got WiMax, which has been available for a year just one mile away from me, but stopped short of my house. Now I get a 4G signal at my home, and 3G has improved speed wise (over 1.5 Mbps DL consistently) as well, so I think they have definitely been doing tower upgrades.

They want to expand to the size of Verizon's 4G LTE network, which is about to turn a year old. It will take twice as long as it took Verizon, but for a small carrier, this is a big accomplishment.

Will this improve existing 4g?

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Will this improve existing 4g?
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No that is seperate. They have been improving the WiMax network. I can get 4G in the towns surrounding me now when I could barely get it at home months ago.
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Will this improve existing 4g?
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Clearwire just go an infusion of new cash, so there will probably be minor improvements to the existing 4G Wimax, but mostly just maintenance. The focus is now on LTE.

kennyglass123 said:
They want to cover the country by 2013. It states to reach 250 million potential subscribers. There are only 300 million Americans so.......
.... so i will still not be getting it. lol
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this shows what updates happened in your area 6months ago, and what the next 6months:
https://network.sprint.com/
its for 3G, but its an start.

so i guess this wont be the big January announcement then.