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Leaked Version Gets No update.?.

I just read that motorola is locking the leakers out of the official update. Now, is this even a trivial matter. Can't you just downgrade to 2.1 and then upgrade to the ota.

xxjekelxx said:
I just read that motorola is locking the leakers out of the official update. Now, is this even a trivial matter. Can't you just downgrade to 2.1 and then upgrade to the ota.
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Yeah man, what you read is true. Good ole' Moto has decided to block us out. Luckily we can always downgrade and then OTA.
All I need is someone to post a video on how to do this. Step by Step like am a complete noob with no idea of what is going on. Anyone up for the challenge?

wouldn't you just use rsd lite and flash the sbf back to stock. Also what if this is a trap set up by motorola to get people back on their software. Im thinking...since motorola is so shady, anyway....that its just a little fishy. After the eris leak, i think a lot of people are pretty certain on a way out before they flash something. You would think that motorola would know this as well....im just sayin'

You have to sbf your device.. After that it still wont boot, so once your done sbf"ing you go into the factory recovery and do a reset, good to go
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Joe92T said:
You have to sbf your device.. After that it still wont boot, so once your done sbf"ing you go into the factory recovery and do a reset, good to go
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I would love it if you would write a guide detailing what the hell you just said. I have no idea what SBF is. Haha I know, I know. There are guides but I am sure there is more than one person who knows little about this and would like something step by step to follow.

To be honest, verizons networks check the build number of your device in order to see if you need the update or not depending on what version you run. I'm sure verizon could already of went through the list ahead of time and if it saw a mismatching build number to what its suppose to have, it could just block our phones ID from receiving OTAs
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Thought I'd add the link from engadget.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/30/motorola-says-leaked-droid-x-android-2-2-build-wont-be-updated/
I totally love my X, but Motorola's over-the-top hostility towards the modding community is starting to wear on me. I know that they could give two ****s about having me as a customer, but I am considering moving on to a Fascinate.

Joe92T said:
To be honest, verizons networks check the build number of your device in order to see if you need the update or not depending on what version you run. I'm sure verizon could already of went through the list ahead of time and if it saw a mismatching build number to what its suppose to have, it could just block our phones ID from receiving OTAs
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that stinks! If they did that, I may be screwed in terms of resale value.

To be honest, verizons networks check the build number of your device in order to see if you need the update or not depending on what version you run. I'm sure verizon could already of went through the list ahead of time and if it saw a mismatching build number to what its suppose to have, it could just block our phones ID from receiving OTAs
has verizon done this with a previous phone? I put a custom rom on a droid1 and then took it back to stock 2.0.1 and then upgraded ota. I was just wondering if verizon has done this to any of their phones before

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Just found this from AndroidLive:
The Motorola Support Forums mentioned the following today…
"WARNING: Do NOT load the leaked 2.2 upgrade that has been floating around on the Internets. There is currently no upgrade path from that load to the official 2.2 load that will be released by early September. Unless you have some plan to flash your phone back to the current official load, you could be stuck on the leaked version."
So obviously we will in fact be able to flash back to 2.1 to get the official upgrade if we wish

MOTOROLA SUCKS!!! How can a cell phone company near the brink of destruction come back and act like they are a big deal. I should have waited for the epic and moved to sprint. I might just sell my x and get the samsung tab when it comes out and use a regular cell phone again.

"has verizon done this with a previous phone? I put a custom rom on a droid1 and then took it back to stock 2.0.1 and then upgraded ota. I was just wondering if verizon has done this to any of their phones before"
The X is the 3rd android model i've owned on verizon, and i've never seen them do that.
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xxjekelxx said:
MOTOROLA SUCKS!!! How can a cell phone company near the brink of destruction come back and act like they are a big deal. I should have waited for the epic and moved to sprint. I might just sell my x and get the samsung tab when it comes out and use a regular cell phone again.
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I couldnt agree more
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Even if we did get blocked out (I doubt it, besides there is always a way around) why bother yourself too much with it. Those of us who loaded the leaked version obviously didn't have a problem with using leaked software. We will just load the future versions when they are leaked...

gw4k said:
I would love it if you would write a guide detailing what the hell you just said. I have no idea what SBF is. Haha I know, I know. There are guides but I am sure there is more than one person who knows little about this and would like something step by step to follow.
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In response to the needing directions...look up "Droid X SBF File released" on these forums to find them. I would link it for you but I can't post links yet and I also don't want to just post the directions as if I was taking credit for them.

How does this even matter? There's a few ROMs in the works and we have custom recovery up and running. There will undoubtedly be a "vanilla" ROM coming out soon enough, and once that stuff hits, are you really gonna be like "OH NOES I NEED TO INSTALL THE STOCK OTA UPDATE!"? No, you're not. On top of that, worst case scenario: you just SBF flash and then install the OTA updates. "Problem" solved.

This strange, its probably the same build. Therefore no ota lol. Just a thought.
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Like some here, I could care less knowing that it will come full of bloatware and blur... which no one likes. Oh, and that we will be getting even better firmware from folks like Birdman and p3Droid
MOTOROLA- YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF for letting such good hardware be sold with such an unusable UI.
When I flash stock and blur is running with all of its widgets up the yin-yang, I can't hardly imagine it is the same phone as to what I, and others, have made the phone what it could be.
I almost feel embarrassed to state I am a X owner when I am not talking to a fellow android user and they know nothing of the phone other than what they saw in the store=CRAP.

Out of all of us who want custom ROMs and made the effort to flash the leaked Froyo build who really cares if Moto blocks us out. Fact is we rooted our phoens and wanted Froyo so we did what needed to be done. To further add most of us I'm sure are removing all there crap bloatware to begin with. Bottom line IMO is piss on the Moto/VZW update. If it is anything like what was relesased on the phone it will be garbage and we don't want it anyways.
And as mentioned if people really want the OTA update not a big deal to SBF flash the .604 2.1 file and yo uwill be fine to get the update. Oh and for everyone reference the leaked Froyo build we have is NOT the official OTA update there is at least one or 2 newer builds already.

Should we update to S/E 2.1 when avalible ??

Hi forum.
I think this is a good question.
I know from reading here that the dev´s are currently working on a solution for update to 2.1 or 2.2, cracked boodloaders and so on.
And that is really great that someone are dooing all that hard work for all us noob´s...
Now, IF we all decide to update to S/E´s release of android 2.1 in the end of september, what do you then think will happen ??
I can think of some possibillities:
1. We perhaps loose the ability to root for a while.
2. We perhaps cant flash our x10´s back to 1.6 and gain root and cracked bootloader.
3. The dev´s hard work is lost as the new 2.1 bootloader is crypted different.
I hope you all can understand what i´m talking about.
What do you think, is it "safe" to update to S/E 2.1 when avalible, if we still would like to be able to use costum roms and root and so on in the future ??
- perhaps someone in the dev-crew can tell us what they think...
Who knows, perhaps the S/E 2.1 update will be mutch easyer to crack or work with...

I was planning to wait till someone checked..... since you brought it up, I vote you do it.....
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MeZmeriZe_ said:
I was planning to wait till someone checked..... since you brought it up, I vote you do it.....
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Ha ha...
+1 on the waiting, first I want to know the side effects concerning the rooting, I really love this black theme and sony font on my x10
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1. We perhaps loose the ability to root for a while.
2. We perhaps cant flash our x10´s back to 1.6 and gain root and cracked bootloader.
3. The dev´s hard work is lost as the new 2.1 bootloader is crypted different.
lol
1. Dont care less about root, root is useless for most of us because we still can't flash android 2.1 or 2.2 roms.
2. Who want to go backWARD.
3. Give me a challenge to crack it AGAIN!
IMO.

iHim said:
1. We perhaps loose the ability to root for a while.
2. We perhaps cant flash our x10´s back to 1.6 and gain root and cracked bootloader.
3. The dev´s hard work is lost as the new 2.1 bootloader is crypted different.
lol
1. Dont care less about root, root is useless for most of us because we still can't flash android 2.1 or 2.2 roms.
2. Who want to go backWARD.
3. Give me a challenge to crack it AGAIN!
IMO.
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If i remember correctly you already received your X10 with 2.1. You should try it and let us know..

if it werent for root i'd still be stuck on R1 0013 since i had a prototype with no other option to upgrade
we'll see what happens, i don't think anyone can answer these questions yet

So what i am reading from all this is:
"it is better to be safe and not update, than to try 2.1 as noone has a clue what will happen..."
I use root for two things, and i don´t want to loose this.
1. To make working backups with Titanium
2. Wifi teathering. (or what it is called)

Since we are so depending on our Developers, it would be a good idea if one of them could come and help us out before it is actually out?
Biktor?

The dev's aren't just there for you to call at your disposal! They are working hard because they want to, not because you call them over to whatever next you think a good idea is!
Do you think they have unlimited time? Let them work on what they've kindly decided to work on - custom ROMs (1.6, 2.1 etc) - as in the long term we will get much more benefit out of that, than some cheap hack to implement extra features as has been suggested here.
If custom ROMs can never work then if the devs want to they will work on other features. But they are not your slaves and do not treat them as such.

iHim said:
3. Give me a challenge to crack it AGAIN!
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Are you a wizard?

Nimche said:
Since we are so depending on our Developers, it would be a good idea if one of them could come and help us out before it is actually out?
Biktor?
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I won't wait much when I see the update, but I'd be careful. I don't think they'd be updating the bootloader (not even sure if they can without emma), but they might have patched both available exploits and fota package management. And if they patch the fota package we might not be able to downgrade.
Either way we'll see, but if I were an "end user" I'd wait until it's rooted , or at least until we check how fota packages are delivered and know it can be rooted again

biktor_gj said:
I won't wait much when I see the update, but I'd be careful. I don't think they'd be updating the bootloader (not even sure if they can without emma), but they might have patched both available exploits and fota package management. And if they patch the fota package we might not be able to downgrade.
Either way we'll see, but if I were an "end user" I'd wait until it's rooted , or at least until we check how fota packages are delivered and know it can be rooted again
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Thank for your time Biktor. Appreciate your input.

I think once the deve, success to root X10 1. 6 I think it will be easy to root the new update
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I think i will get on the boat when it sails. Our hardworking and respected devs did it ones, took 'em some time, but now they know where to look so i'm quite confident that in a few months time they will be at it again. And i'm in no hurry to get 2.2, i think i can have fun with the 2.1 for some time. I meen, already i almost spend more time looking at and fiddeling with my phone then at the world around me
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Tjotte said:
I think i will get on the boat when it sails. Our hardworking and respected devs did it ones, took 'em some time, but now they know where to look so i'm quite confident that in a few months time they will be at it again. And i'm in no hurry to get 2.2, i think i can have fun with the 2.1 for some time. I meen, already i almost spend more time looking at and fiddeling with my phone then at the world around me
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+10 to that man!!!
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Surely there are other people around here that will upgrade regardless so I'll wait to see what happens to their phone before I try it on mine

Im personally gonna update asap and will let ppl know if there are any probs with the 1click exploids im confident in the devs and if all else fails ima smash my phone and claim insurance ;-) possibly keeping mem card for file transfers lol
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Im probrably going to update it asap. So long I have waited hehehe
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Ok...
It is nice to know that some of you in this forum are willing to take the change, so we within a day or so, know if it is causing problems to update the phone to S/E´s Android 2.1 version...
You people are great....
I will then wait for a few days when the update is avalible, and follow the forum to see what will happen...

i have 2 x10's so i will install 2.1 on one and test root methods once it comes out.

HTC implements security on the bootloader for all the new devices

HTC is implementing security on the bootloader on all its newer phones, and older phones (while updating the firmware).
the HBOOT of htc is becoming more and more secure day by day, so that in the near future it wont be able for a htc phone to get rooted. if this continues, it will have a great impact on the htc market. its gonna suck. it will also have an impact on the custom rom builders. no more development of custom roms.
lets hope that the hackers will make their work best to get the phones rooted.
why does the manufacturer fail to support rooting. it is like, first they let us purchase an icecream, and then they are taking back the cream over the top, and leaving us with nothing.
wildfire had been the first victim. till now no one can say confidentially that a 2.2 wildfire will be rooted even in the future. wildfire with 2.1 has got many easy rooting procedures, but once updated to 2.2 not even a single rooting process has evolved in 4months of time.
legend seemed to be a victim. but its developers managed to root it (even after froyo update). they havent root official froyo. instead they downgraded frm official froyo to official eclair and then rooted eclair. however, then managed to update to froyo without loosing root. its given in legend forums. may be this process is gonna help someone who is working on rooting wildfire.
aria had been another victim. htc aria got updated to official froyo on 25th feb 2011, and like wildfire it is still waiting for root access.
and the about to release s series htc android devices like wildfire s, desire s, incredible s are all falling under the victim category.
here the link by unrevoked gives u devices categorised by their ability to get rooted.
http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/root_friendly
somewhat better news from unrevoked is that wildfire 2.2 is in temporary unrootable stage, which means it can be rooted in future (same with aria).
so suggesting u to get a root friendly device, if u have an idea of purchasing a new device.

Thats really bad news. And i have the first problem with my new firmware

Rooting often gets peeple to buy the phone due to development and htc is killing this group of people but im sure there not bothered as people will still buy it so they wouldnt loose much.
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really a bad news.. i'm afraid i wouldn't buy a new htc phone yet lol

-Howard- said:
Rooting often gets peeple to buy the phone due to development and htc is killing this group of people but im sure there not bothered as people will still buy it so they wouldnt loose much.
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Lots of people don`t even know what root means..

*sigh* I never said everyone buying one would want to root. But some people do buy android phonea for there rootability.
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Lots of people don`t even know what root means..
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yes i agree with that. i have purchased htc wildfire in november 2010 without having any prior knowledge on rooting. but once purchased, i rooted my phone in november itself using unrevoked. i enjoyed the freedom of custom roms for a month. but at that time there was no huge development in custom roms.
and without any knowledge (that updating looses the ability to get rooted), i have updated to the official froyo. now struck at the froyo. cannot root and cannot even goback to eclair. 4months of waiting without any result. im regretting myself soo badly for making the update. i see there had been a nice development in the custom roms from december. cyanogenmod 7 distributed gingerbread to wildfire. even honeyfire experimental roms are going on. but cant use them on my unrooted phone.
i agree that people dont have a prior knowledge of root when they purchase phone. but once after purchasing, they will definately know about rooting, and if they feel they had made mistake they will regret.
if unrevoked had given this list before, and if i have seen this before, then i wouldnt have purchased wildfire definately.
http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/root_friendly
let us hope to minimise this. let every newbie know about rooting. let them not make mistakes in choosing their phones. and this thread is all meant for that.

HTC morons -- let's think of strategy that will mean fewer people will want our devices -- then go ahead and implement it; short sighted corporate nazi stinking thinking.

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So we should only have devices which the company allow us to handle free. So WE decide what to do with the devices. Noone else. This is a clear selling point from the company.

HTC s off and I have rooted, any help??
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I have rooted and have one of the newer HTC wildfire phones, but realize get c7 on I need the security to be s off and been everywhere, on internet,any simple solution??
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I have rooted and have one of the newer HTC wildfire phones, but realize get c7 on I need the security to be s off and been everywhere, on internet,any simple solution??
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seems like u have used xtc clip for s-off.
and for installing custom roms, the requirements will be ur phone needs to be rooted and a custom recovery installed.
i dont think one should have s-off on wildfire to install custom roms.

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Bee != Wildfire.
Pretty sure you cannot get Custom ROMs even if you have root because there is no Custom Recovery yet for the Bee.

3xeno said:
Bee != Wildfire.
Pretty sure you cannot get Custom ROMs even if you have root because there is no Custom Recovery yet for the Bee.
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yeah... [bee = cdma wildfire]
nice point over there.

I have xtc clip but no Sims card to use for the cable??so I have the clip to use and goldcard image ready any other way to use the clip?? Maybe thru computer??rerouting any solution?? S off to get c7 guys

I assume that my phone does not have a Sims card access unless I go further in by taking cover off the hardware inside??

Your fone should have a sim card slot or it wouldn't really be a fone now,p the card slot is usually under the battery compartment with a visible image of a sim card indicating where it should go
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1057524 Full guide to use the XTC clip

Burnt two S-OFF exploits in one go

After the amount of effort put into the Tegra HTC One X to achieve S-OFF, it's great to see S-OFF for HTC One, however am I the only one who thinks that releasing two separate S-OFF methods which, I presume, use different exploits is an overkill?
The way I see it is HTC will update the firmware/bootloader soon enough, patching both exploits as they're both public. This means extra work needed to achieve S-OFF on newer firmwares.
It's a shame that the both teams didn't collaborate and keep one exploit as a backup for when first one gets patched to keep the S-OFF goodness lasting longer.

how do we even know it is two exploits discovered?
No one has specifically explained how either method works.

Pointlol said:
lmao, this is quality trolling
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Lol. On a serious note what is wrong with two exploits? Just be happy that we have them and keep it moving ( to OP)
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One is firmware dependant (Moonshine) whilst Revone is to work regardless of firnware version.

barondebxl said:
Lol. On a serious note what is wrong with two exploits? Just be happy that we have them and keep it moving ( to OP)
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Simple, newer phones will be shipped with newer firmware with patched exploits. With both of them public, it means HTC can patch both and we're back into the cat and mouse game of exploit searching. There is no point in releasing two, potentially different, exploits which achieve the same thing.

lollylost100 said:
Simple, newer phones will be shipped with newer firmware with patched exploits. With both of them public, it means HTC can patch both and we're back into the cat and mouse game of exploit searching. There is no point in releasing two, potentially different, exploits which achieve the same thing.
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Ok so now that both have been released what do you want to do about it?

I'm sure HTC wanted us to find a s-off method and that they don't care
Remember htc is not apple

drakeymcmb said:
I'm sure HTC wanted us to find a s-off method and that they don't care
Remember htc is not apple
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I think they wouldn't even care specially now that they provide developer and Google editions. That gives flexibility on the consumer side.
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Why not have two methods, doesn't hurt anything.

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I'm sure HTC wanted us to find a s-off method and that they don't care
Remember htc is not apple
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True. They're becoming more developer friendly. That doesn't mean they WANT you to do it, but I highly doubt they will patch it. And it doesn't even matter if you're on a custom rom.

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I'm sure HTC wanted us to find a s-off method and that they don't care
Remember htc is not apple
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+1 on htc is not apple
only way HTC care's is if the carriers ***** about it.

clsA said:
+1 on htc is not apple
only way HTC care's is if the carriers ***** about it.
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Definitely this. HTC can't afford to lose carriers at this point.
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lollylost100 said:
After the amount of effort put into the Tegra HTC One X to achieve S-OFF, it's great to see S-OFF for HTC One, however am I the only one who thinks that releasing two separate S-OFF methods which, I presume, use different exploits is an overkill?
The way I see it is HTC will update the firmware/bootloader soon enough, patching both exploits as they're both public. This means extra work needed to achieve S-OFF on newer firmwares.
It's a shame that the both teams didn't collaborate and keep one exploit as a backup for when first one gets patched to keep the S-OFF goodness lasting longer.
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I have to disagree with you about the two ways. Until we have 1 way that works for both Windows and Linux then we need to ways. Right now one of the ways works on the phone itself or using CMD on a PC or Linux. The other way only works on Linux, I do not know how to use Linux nor do I really want to learn how. So I am forced to use Windows for everything. So like I said once we have a One way that works for everyone we need different ways to do it.

S-OFF in a Linux Live CD has been done before. Minimum learning curve required.
PS. HTC has plenty of reasons to patch S-OFF exploits:
1. It allows the device to return to Locked state, instead of Re-Locked
2. Has the ability to cause bricks
3. Allows for free SIM unlocks
4. Allows to bypass CID restrictions (branded FW)
5. Allows to change serial number/IMEI if you look hard enough
S-OFF is great for us, but for HTC it's just extra costs.
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I don't really see why anyone want any OTA or RUU to flash, the entire purpose of being rooted s-off and everything about this is....
TO USE A ROOTED STOCK ROM....... OR DEODEX ROM....
I think that says everything.... I chose the revone,,, because why in the world did moonshine wait to release it, I will not say my personal opinion what I think about that...

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I don't really see why anyone want any OTA or RUU to flash, the entire purpose of being rooted s-off and everything about this is....
TO USE A ROOTED STOCK ROM....... OR DEODEX ROM....
I think that says everything.... I chose the revone,,, because why in the world did moonshine wait to release it, I will not say my personal opinion what I think about that...
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There isnt a custom rom out there for the ONE that requires s-off..If custom rom is what YOU WANT then you only need root. However custom roms do not include all firmware from new ruus or OTA's. Being s-off allows you to get these upgrades without waiting on your device specific ruu. I dont think the majority wants it so they can stay stock to get OTA's. Its so they have a choice and can upgrade when they want to. :victory:
Please say your personal opinion about moonshine, your other comments are your personal opinion, why stop now? And what would moonshine have to gain by waiting to release? I'm sure they were perfecting the code..making things as easy as possible for me and YOU. originally Thumb drives weren't supported yet now they are. The thumb drive didnt write its own code to make that happen.. Do you think cracking HTCs security and writing a user friendly app that has little to no chance to harm your device is fast and easy? If so please show us how its done. IMO If you cant do it yourself, and you are not paying for it, it shouldn't matter how long it took to release.

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There isnt a custom rom out there for the ONE that requires s-off..If custom rom is what YOU WANT then you only need root. However custom roms do not include all firmware from new ruus or OTA's. Being s-off allows you to get these upgrades without waiting on your device specific ruu. I dont think the majority wants it so they can stay stock to get OTA's. Its so they have a choice and can upgrade when they want to. :victory:
Please say your personal opinion about moonshine, your other comments are your personal opinion, why stop now? And what would moonshine have to gain by waiting to release? I'm sure they were perfecting the code..making things as easy as possible for me and YOU. originally Thumb drives weren't supported yet now they are. The thumb drive didnt write its own code to make that happen.. Do you think cracking HTCs security and writing a user friendly app that has little to no chance to harm your device is fast and easy? If so please show us how its done. IMO If you cant do it yourself, and you are not paying for it, it shouldn't matter how long it took to release.
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If you noticed, I did not say anything negative, I didn't say my opionion. I did not thrash or flame moonshine. that is why I said I will keep my personal opionion to myself, I respect the developers, I don't develop or know the 1st thing about that.
so that being said, says all...
I say for people being rooted, get a stock rom, or firmwares and the developers release everything we need.
when someone installs ruu or otas. there hboots are changed, and then at one point or another u possibly wont be able to downgrade or something, that is why I say to stay away from RUU's... that is the only thing.
SO PLEASE, UNDERSTAND. I TOTALLY RESPECT MOONSHINE...:good: :silly:

For people with S-OFF, it won't matter if HBOOT is upgraded as long as the Radio flag is changed, then S-OFF will be permanent. Great for you!
But HTC will release updates with new HBOOTs and those will be shipped with newer devices. If they patch up the exploits, and I don't see why they won't, we'll be back to square one. Obviously it doesn't matter right now, but in the future I'm sure it will be an issue.
PS. There's even a new HBOOT on the 4.2.2 firmware and devices will soon start shipping with it.

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[Q] Bootloader unlock in comparison to other manufacturers

has anyone experience in the hassl of unlocking bootloader from the g2 or LG phones in comparison to other devices?
how is LGs policy for giving kernel source and unlocking bootloader?
i am a long time htc user and those things are very important to me. as i think about getting a new phone and switching from htc i want to know in advance and i have not found anything
thx

donky kong 017 said:
has anyone experience in the hassl of unlocking bootloader from the g2 or LG phones in comparison to other devices?
how is LGs policy for giving kernel source and unlocking bootloader?
i am a long time htc user and those things are very important to me. as i think about getting a new phone and switching from htc i want to know in advance and i have not found anything
thx
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A little late to the party on this one, LG released a few of its sources for the G2, we already have custom kernel development that just started brewing here lately.
As far as the bootloader, this device has a work around using Loki and it works fine. As evidence points that we can flash pretty much anything worth flashing including custom kernels.

Walter21026 said:
A little late to the party on this one, LG released a few of its sources for the G2, we already have custom kernel development that just started brewing here lately.
As far as the bootloader, this device has a work around using Loki and it works fine. As evidence points that we can flash pretty much anything worth flashing including custom kernels.
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thx i just wanted to know how the overall situation is. cause htc makes it a little difficult to unlock bootloader via htc dev website and there is no s-off . is there s-off on the g2?
with samsung its another story with odin and there are other problems.
i want to get an overall picture for the different manufacturers

donky kong 017 said:
thx i just wanted to know how the overall situation is. cause htc makes it a little difficult to unlock bootloader via htc dev website and there is no s-off . is there s-off on the g2?
with samsung its another story with odin and there are other problems.
i want to get an overall picture for the different manufacturers
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What I would tell you personally is dont delay, carriers will likely be pushing security patches to keep out hackers and make it very difficult for devs to work around in the near future.
No need to worry about s-off, its never been discussed here which tells me it must not exits on this device. I have seen it on almost all HTC devices though.

Walter21026 said:
What I would tell you personally is dont delay, carriers will likely be pushing security patches to keep out hackers and make it very difficult for devs to work around in the near future.
No need to worry about s-off, its never been discussed here which tells me it must not exits on this device. I have seen it on almost all HTC devices though.
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thx. i guess thats just ridiculous. i want steady updates for a year or so as i switch to a new phone after a year. the last year was just horrible on my htc onex+ with so little development and s-on
the carriers would not bother me as im on a contact free carrier, the problem is development is affected. and this is something i have on every phone i buy.
im vacillating between nexus 5 and g2 now

donky kong 017 said:
thx. i guess thats just ridiculous. i want steady updates for a year or so as i switch to a new phone after a year. the last year was just horrible on my htc onex+ with so little development and s-on
the carriers would not bother me as im on a contact free carrier, the problem is development is affected. and this is something i have on every phone i buy.
im vacillating between nexus 5 and g2 now
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I'd go with The N5. Huge developer support.
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Jposton said:
I'd go with The N5. Huge developer support.
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thx
i just compared the 2 forums N4-G2 and came to the same conclusion. development is even more important than hardware for me now