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Do you Think HTC will place the same Hardware root block on the DHD as they did on G2

Well, according to these very forums, the US T-mobile G2 has a hardware root block - a chip which flashes the phone back to the original ROM every time it detects a custom one
Do you think HTC will place this same hardware root block on the UK Desire Z and more importantly, our precious Desire HD? Personally, I'd like to believe that HTC did this under pressure from T-Mobile US, but I don't know...

Yes the desire HD will have the same protection as the G2. athough that sounds bad its not as bad as you would think.
1) there will be loads of devs working on the same problem (G2, DesireZ, DesireHD) so the quicker the full root will come
2) we can still "temporeraly" write to system unlike the Evo/Desire/ect. before root
Presumeing that the DesireHD is also vunrable to the rageagainstthecage exploit like the G2. Im pritty shure that it will be as G2 is and the ROM will be built at a similer time if :-D

Apache14 said:
Yes the desire HD will have the same protection as the G2. athough that sounds bad its not as bad as you would think.
1) there will be loads of devs working on the same problem (G2, DesireZ, DesireHD) so the quicker the full root will come
2) we can still "temporeraly" write to system unlike the Evo/Desire/ect. before root
Presumeing that the DesireHD is also vunrable to the rageagainstthecage exploit like the G2. Im pritty shure that it will be as G2 is and the ROM will be built at a similer time if :-D
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The G2 is running Vanilla 2.2 though, so it may be somewhat different... Lets hope the Desire HD can be rooted ASAP, Im sure Paul OB has a few tricks up his sleeve He has an answer for everything you know))
JD

yeah i just read about this on Engadget. This could potentially be a major problem for us future DHD owners.

Nobody has confirmed yet that there is some sort of hardware block. To me it sounds more like a kernel customization. Anyways, give the G2 hackers a couple of days to figure it out. I wouldn't be surprised if non-US phones (where there is actually competition) will not see this crap.

Thanks for your opinions guys! I guess the key is patience, it seems successful steps have already been taking in unlocking the device. With the combined effort of all of the HTC droid hackers, it shouldn't take very long at all

If they cant disable it, maybe they can make the phone reinstall a rooted version of the stock.. They have temporary root now, hopefully they manage to locate the hidden nand.. If they managed to get write permission to the part where the stock image/rom is, hopefully they will manage to make it restore a rooted version of it. If they manage to disable it, it would be easier for us to flash using rom manager etc but if they cant, we will just have to perhaps rely on restoring method. Its like a nandroid restore mechanism.
Just wishful thinking here, i do not know what they are doing now but hopefully it will work either hard or easy. Things go hard at first and hopefully will be more fluid as time pass by. Pray.. pray.. pray.. Go modders/devs!

I can tell you all now HTC will have HW R/W protection on there probably controled by the bootloader. They did it on the Desire/Wildfire/Evo they are not going to take a step back with this phone. 99% of the stuff ppl here about the G2 protection is wrong. i.e its not a rootkit :-s what happens.
Bootloader sets eMMC to R/O --> boots os --> any changes get bufferd --> on reboot bootloader restores removing changes
Thats what happens no one realy knows how the restores happen yet.
Root will come probably for all 3 devices at once.
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Personally, I can live without custom ROM, though I would prefer to have it. I currently own a Hero with MCR5, and love it.
But what is REALLY important is root access to access Market and download the many programs I have already purchased.
Here in Denmark, we only have the locked "free apps only" market. I need my CoPilot and much other stuff!
If I have root, and can run my "root required" apps, then I am happy.

kingkeld said:
Personally, I can live without custom ROM, though I would prefer to have it. I currently own a Hero with MCR5, and love it.
But what is REALLY important is root access to access Market and download the many programs I have already purchased.
Here in Denmark, we only have the locked "free apps only" market. I need my CoPilot and much other stuff!
If I have root, and can run my "root required" apps, then I am happy.
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Have you been inside a cave this last few days?!? If it's all about the market, google is going to open up to almost 30 new countries....
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/09/more-countries-more-sellers-more-buyers.html
Oh, but you tell me, that the X app or the Y app still is not going to be on my country's market...
But that's not google fault, now it up with the software devs to select what country market they want to be

onesolo said:
Have you been inside a cave this last few days?!? If it's all about the market, google is going to open up to almost 30 new countries....
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/09/more-countries-more-sellers-more-buyers.html
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Still, not all countries are on that list (like mine for example).
So having access to paid apps is still a pretty good reason to have root.

So, i need a help from you guys with this. I never had Android and have one question.
Ok, i understood that if i want coocked ROM i need to root it, BUT if I want instal crack games and programs and all availible apps from the net, do I still need this root?
Without root i can instal only free games and buy the one with price and thats all??
Thanks

Hang on, are you asking for advice on pirating? O_O
OMG!

Smartmob said:
So, i need a help from you guys with this. I never had Android and have one question.
Ok, i understood that if i want coocked ROM i need to root it, BUT if I want instal crack games and programs and all availible apps from the net, do I still need this root?
Without root i can instal only free games and buy the one with price and thats all??
Thanks
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This is wrong!
wywywywy said:
Hang on, are you asking for advice on pirating? O_O
OMG!
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Bingo!

xD ok ok, no pirating...just the part with root

onesolo said:
Have you been inside a cave this last few days?!? If it's all about the market, google is going to open up to almost 30 new countries....
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/09/more-countries-more-sellers-more-buyers.html
Oh, but you tell me, that the X app or the Y app still is not going to be on my country's market...
But that's not google fault, now it up with the software devs to select what country market they want to be
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...And this is where MarketEnabler is great. I buy stuff from all over the place. Some I can maybe live without, but some I would hate to miss out on.
And I still need Root for Titanium Backup.

RollingStar said:
Well, according to these very forums, the US T-mobile G2 has a hardware root block - a chip which flashes the phone back to the original ROM every time it detects a custom one
Do you think HTC will place this same hardware root block on the UK Desire Z and more importantly, our precious Desire HD? Personally, I'd like to believe that HTC did this under pressure from T-Mobile US, but I don't know...
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Can somebody explain.. Is this feature "HW root block" will be affect every DHD or only SIM-locked (operator's) phones?
I'm using Galaxy S and it is not difficult to guess that I have pre-ordered DHD on Clove. My Galaxy's using experience tell me to be bad without having root access. So I have been a bit confused when saw this topic.
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The DHD will have the same R/W (root) protection in place as the G2 (vision). I know this as its based on the same chipset and will contain the same eMMC.
HTC always do this on every "generation" of phone i.e desire/evo/ect. Generation had the same NAND lockout as eachother.
So every single shipping DHD will have the G2 style protection
Can a mod pls close this topic its pointless and missleading
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Apache you gave me a reason to wait details about this are 100% defined and I add..unlocked..before buying. Can't live with a locked Htc with no custom roms.
One question, can you point me where I can follow the development of this?

Apache14 said:
Can a mod pls close this topic its pointless and missleading
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How so? I'm asking a valid question, T-Mobile US may have pushed HTC into doing this, just like they did to remove Wifi tethering to the G2's supposedly 'Vanilla' version of Android... Do you work for HTC? All we can do is predict trends, nobody knows for sure if the DHD will share the US G2's exact chipset.

Is it possible that wildfire froyo with new hboot will be unrevokable ?

Is it possible that htc is so advanced that they made wildfire with new hboot impossible to be OWN3D by UNREVOKED ?
Will it be ever possible ?
Just curious.

Theyre working on it atm

sure they are... last post they did that they are working on it was 10-th january or earlyer
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If you want it so soon do it yourself or let others do it.
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nlovers2000 said:
If you want it so soon do it yourself or let others do it.
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Sorry but i was not asking about "how long do we have to wait...."
I know that they are people like us and they have other stuff to do and they do it free....
I was only asking if this is possible that it now or someday will be too hard...

In the current state of things, I think that it was, it is and it probably always will be a cat-and-mouse game. Remember the TIFF exploit on the PSP. Who would have thought about it? Hacking a console with picture? Seriously.
Despite best practice, there will always be some shortcuts taken and slack programming. Or the plainly unexpectable; rooting through a malformed wifi packet maybe?
The problem we face nowadays is that we have many hungry cats that get impatient for their food.
Having read about the Alpharev and unrevoked, it does look that this is just a question of time.
I think personally (probably because I know nothing on the subject) that making/getting the tools to sign any HBOOT (PS3 style) is the way to go.
I too have a 2.2.1 phone which I bought like this on eBay, and the wait is frustrating to say the least, but I would rather wait a bit more than stare at a brick.

I too have a 2.2.1 wildfire, I was unwittingly duped into thinking updating would make my phone better. < how wrong was I.
Looking at the positive side at least I can research and learn about Android/rooting/custom ROMs before I dive in and perform them. So hopefully no problems when I eventually do manage to root it

The unrevoked team said on the10th that they are working on it. Today we have the 30th and yet still no updates from them. The new security system is probably too good for them and maybe they will not be able to root it....

Look every system can be exploited, Some are easy and some are hard, just give them time. I have 2.2.1 firmware as i got the phone new just over a week ago. I have tried to root it myself and failed (Linux geek maybe) but andriod is new to me so now i am going to wait.
So wait and research on how to use custom roms i am its fun and give the people making the exploits time, they are doing it for free and have normal lifes like the rest of us.

Me to on OTA firmware 2.2.1!
I never root before and android a bit new for me as well.
I had following up xda to learn how to root but now people say my 2.2.1 cannot root unless someone update hboot first.
I would make a small request if it's really kick-off can someone make a video/link (like xda-ians post in SGS) how to root using hboot step-by-step.
Thank you,

imkr said:
I would make a small request if it's really kick-off can someone make a video/link (like xda-ians post in SGS) how to root using hboot step-by-step.
Thank you,
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There is a step by step detailed guide here which is more than sufficient:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=824396
Obviously, it doesnt work for 2.2.1.

3xeno said:
There is a step by step detailed guide here which is more than sufficient:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=824396
Obviously, it doesnt work for 2.2.1.
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Yes...I've read from that link as well. but can I have a link of root video? since I google in youtube just part not full...

.. perhaps it IS better if it remains locked ?

n!k said:
.. perhaps it IS better if it remains locked ?
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Why? We are not saying that when rooting is available, all people must root their phones. There are lots of people now (like me) who updated or bought the phone with 2.2.1 and now we can't root, and I really want to root again to be free to modify some things or overclock, AND CHANGE ROM.
So, there is no reason for what it should stay unrootable.

antonio1475 said:
Why? We are not saying that when rooting is available, all people must root their phones. There are lots of people now (like me) who updated or bought the phone with 2.2.1 and now we can't root, and I really want to root again to be free to modify some things or overclock, AND CHANGE ROM.
So, there is no reason for what it whould stay unrootable.
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100% agreed,

If you upgraded, without caring about the risks, you deserve it. If you bought the phone with 2.2 already installed, you are not to be blamed.
It's just the fact that people that blindly tapped on"update" and then come here to ***** and whine are driving me mad.
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Alex_GP said:
If you upgraded, without caring about the risks, you deserve it. If you bought the phone with 2.2 already installed, you are not to be blamed.
It's just the fact that people that blindly tapped on"update" and then come here to ***** and whine are driving me mad.
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Why would I/We "deserve" it? Who are you to judge us that way? There are a lot of reasons for what the upgrade was done, and none of them was doing it to then disturb about rooting. I know there are LOTS of people asking without stop, but for example I keep looking and twitter and unrevokedwiki expecting some update, and just replying to help people.
What you said is a closed-mind opinion... You can't even think another way that yours, and that's sad...

antonio1475 said:
... I keep looking and twitter and unrevokedwiki expecting some update...
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Same here I must check those sites at least 3-5 times daily.

antonio1475 said:
Why would I/We "deserve" it? Who are you to judge us that way? There are a lot of reasons for what the upgrade was done, and none of them was doing it to then disturb about rooting. I know there are LOTS of people asking without stop, but for example I keep looking and twitter and unrevokedwiki expecting some update, and just replying to help people.
What you said is a closed-mind opinion... You can't even think another way that yours, and that's sad...
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You may call me closed minded, it`s your call, but, I think that people need to learn to live with their decisions.
I`m not talking about you (but if you feel targeted, it`s not my problem), but If you don`t think before you act, you need to pay the price. Think of it this way:
Someone gives you a gun, and tells you that you can shoot anyone you want. You take the gun and shoot some people, but the police catches you. You`ll say "but that man told me I could shoot people with my gun, he`s to blame". NO! you are to be blamed, you decided to shoot those people.
Same thing with the 2.2.1 update. HTC gave you the update, but they did not make you install it. YOU installed it! It`s your choice. Consequences? You can`t root (for now). Don`t come around and whine about not being able to root.
The update was leaked 2-3 days before the official release. In all the topics, people said: "don`t flash it, it will kill/make you unable to root", but it was hopeless.
When and update announcement popped up on your phone, what did you do? Did you think"oooooh, it has an OK button, so I bet I must push it!" or did you think "Now, let`s do a little google search, see what is this update all about?"
If you answered the second one, good thing, you`re normal. If you answered the first....... I`m not gonna comment, because you will say that I`m a mean, close-minded man.

Alex_GP said:
You may call me closed minded, it`s your call, but, I think that people need to learn to live with their decisions.
I`m not talking about you (but if you feel targeted, it`s not my problem), but If you don`t think before you act, you need to pay the price. Think of it this way:
Someone gives you a gun, and tells you that you can shoot anyone you want. You take the gun and shoot some people, but the police catches you. You`ll say "but that man told me I could shoot people with my gun, he`s to blame". NO! you are to be blamed, you decided to shoot those people.
Same thing with the 2.2.1 update. HTC gave you the update, but they did not make you install it. YOU installed it! It`s your choice. Consequences? You can`t root (for now). Don`t come around and whine about not being able to root.
The update was leaked 2-3 days before the official release. In all the topics, people said: "don`t flash it, it will kill/make you unable to root", but it was hopeless.
When and update announcement popped up on your phone, what did you do? Did you think"oooooh, it has an OK button, so I bet I must push it!" or did you think "Now, let`s do a little google search, see what is this update all about?"
If you answered the second one, good thing, you`re normal. If you answered the first....... I`m not gonna comment, because you will say that I`m a mean, close-minded man.
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First of all, I'm sorry, I didn't really mean to offend. I was saying that you might get in my/our situation or position. The exact reason for what I flashed the 2.2.1 was because I wanted the stability of a complete official ROM to flash the OC kernel. At least to have something stable for sure and then try some new ROMs.
That's my exact case, and each person will have their reasons.
And for the record, I didn't see ANY message about "don't upgrade". You are more "senior member" if you want to say, but I'm not stupid. Could you just accept I made a mistake, as we all do? And now I am quietly waiting for unrevoked bringing the solution, without yelling "unrevoked please/go go go/ **** no unrevoked yet/ etc..."
As I always try to, smile

[q] ridiculous

How come the dev's haven't released any information about if they are going to root the 2.2 froyo or not? now before any douche bag comes out with the same response all douche bags have(why don't you make it yourself if your so mad) i am knocking the fact that the devs haven't released a root yet im knocking the fact that they haven't said if they are even doing one, and if you go to the unrevoked beta irc(#unrevokedtest) and ask about the wildfire with regards to a new root they act if you just ask for a baby to sacrifice. Most of us just wanna know so that if in fact the unrevoked project for the new wildfire hboot is not happening we can go and get a new phone or try to find someone with a xclip(i don't know anyone that has one in Australia so im screwed)

Point of this thread apart from your rant? Since you very well know everything there is to it, was it really necessary to have one more rant post?
This thread makes you look like a douchebag, TBH

3xeno said:
Point of this thread apart from your rant? Since you very well know everything there is to it, was it really necessary to have one more rant post?
This thread makes you look like a douchebag, TBH
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........................................................................ of course there is a reason read,read and then re-read and you will find that i am asking if the froyo 2.2 root is a go or no go

Just my 2 cents: getting a patched phone is no right, it's a privilege.
It is entirely up to the people of unrevoked to give information or not.
They are not obliged to do that.
So just wait and see.
If they release anything, be happy, if not, look somewere else.
They are doing a great job, and I have deep respect for them, investing many hours of hard work for the (inpatient) masses.

ucdebz said:
........................................................................ of course there is a reason read,read and then re-read and you will find that i am asking if the froyo 2.2 root is a go or no go
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I think indeed that the reason why we have a huge number of unhappy users that post about the issue every day is that there is not a lot of communication from anyone involved in the developing process of rooting the device... Anyway I'm mainly disappointed by the HTC behaviour: what is the point in changing the hboot in an old device that you will not upgrade anymore? Make us buy a new device? I'm thinking of changing the brand of my android instead... Shame of you HTC...

I'm fairly new here, and the sense of entitlement is amazing. I'm new to android development, but this constant noise about this is driving me crazy.
I just bought a wildfire but before I purchased it, I did some research first. In Australia thankfully telstra hasn't done an over the air update so I knew that I could root the device.
On this forum there are many warnings about not applying the over the air update.
My advice is that the more noise that everyone is making about rooting the wildfire with the newer version of hboot, is more likely to make the developers ignore the wildfire as a platform.
Another option is that you could try and root the platform yourself. I know I'm looking at it, as I want s-off.
Take care,
Ivy.
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ucdebz said:
........................................................................ of course there is a reason read,read and then re-read and you will find that i am asking if the froyo 2.2 root is a go or no go
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Which is exactly the reason stated by the 1000 users who made same posts before you on the same topic.
Of course, your anger is justified. But, apparently, since there is no dev from Unrevoked here, and, in the case there is no update from Unrevoked as is the case now, what can you and I do about it? Rant? Ok, rant ahead as much as you want, but, I am 100% sure ranting wont get what you are looking for.

They have said on twitter they are looking into it
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Maybe if we all donate 1 euro/dollar and make a contest of it.
Who is able to create a root program gets all the money
No serious...just wait...I believe in Unrevoked.
But they aren't robots, they got a live,go to work, play with there children,...
Please everybody wait and you get rewarded !

GéVé said:
Maybe if we all donate 1 euro/dollar and make a contest of it.
Who is able to create a root program gets all the money
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This is a very good idea! I begin to collect funds for the contest, you can put your money into my paypal account, I also accept credit cards and checks ...

Maybe its harder then we all think to find a solution....i bought an xtc clip.....make it s off, ruu with an older 2.1, then i use unrevoked.....then its free. It cost money....but its a hobby.......
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No More Rooting Our Little Friend...

Just a FYI, I was on the phone with one of my friend HTC engineers, long distance from outside the USA, which he gave me some good gossip about the G2.
*Take it for what is worth. I do admit this my not be new info to some.
1) There is a OTA update coming for the G2 which will DEFINITELY cause you to loose root, and A LOT OF WORK has gone into the update to prevent rooting. Matter of fact, my HTC friend tells me that the encryption algorithm will almost make it impossible to root. My opinion, nothing is impossible!
2) BTW, there IS MAJOR development in up coming new tech with 3D displays. My little 'rumor mill' friend informed me that he seen a Android live wallpaper in 3D fire that looks so realistic that when you tilt the device forward, the icons actually go through the flames.
3) He told me that when the G2 was originally released, it was purposely done to make it hard to root, and now with the Gingerbread OTA update just around the corner (he said it may happen in July) by the time IF anyone figures out how to root it, the phone will be completely outdated.
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So after weeks of saying they're unlocking bootloaders, opening sense to developers and changing their ways... You're saying your friend knows they're lying?

katiepea said:
So after weeks of saying they're unlocking bootloaders, opening sense to developers and changing their ways... You're saying your friend knows they're lying?
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I dunno, but its true that bootloaders and rooting are 2 separate things anyway. He's referencing rooting this latest stock GB rom, not unlocking bootloaders.
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It seems there is an 'official' leaked rom out there that is digitally signed by HTC and also T-Morgul (misspending is applied) that after flashed, perm-root has not yet been achieved. Now the great devs that stripped the GB rom (from the raw, has rooted it), so you can flash a rooted version, but hasn't yet rooted after flash.
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hard to believe.

I find when people are lying they add useless information like "a long distance phone call" and "out of usa."
Were this true imd expect somthing like "i was talking to a buddy of mine that works for htc. He heard they had some new encyption that will take forever to root!"
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I would say he is lying, but after spending some time in the irc its not looking so good. They even blocked the fail safe goldcard method for downgrading. I think this is bad news being one of the first to receive a 2.3 device back from them I have tried everything to help get this thing rooted hope there is a way to root it soon before all the devs leave for newer devices.

thugjedi said:
I would say he is lying, but after spending some time in the irc its not looking so good. They even blocked the fail safe goldcard method for downgrading. I think this is bad news being one of the first to receive a 2.3 device back from them I have tried everything to help get this thing rooted hope there is a way to root it soon before all the devs leave for newer devices.
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Hi !
We gonna see about that!
But just to put some things straight:
- The goldcard to downgrade method also needed temp-root to change the main version in the misc-partition.
- At the moment we do not have a working temp-rooting method for gingerbread (besides gingerbreak but this has been patched in our version)
- We are not working on a new temp-root very urgent but this will change
Comes time, comes root.
Have fun - Guhl

Where there's a will, there's a way,
i'm sure one developer will manage to find an exploit, some way or another.

No way.... Is there no way not to accept the ota update when it comes to our phones
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Even those running a custom rom?

well if you think about it, if GB update from htc has been in development for the past 6 months (with specific configurations for different phones). and during this development phase they're stance was to still lock rooting and bootloaders. it would be near impossible to get a release June/July with a different development path based on the statement by the CEO.
either they will push back the OTA update, or roll out and meet the deadlines with their current path and with other phones already getting updates the past few months. I would say they're rolling it out with just configuration testing and QA on our phones

Why not just do this...sell rooted devices and locked devices. Or just sell all devices rooted. Lets face it most people now with android phones have no clue what the os is capable of and buy it off of hype.
G2x with faux AOSP and faux orange kernel. [email protected] 5107 quadrant.

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Even those running a custom rom?
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I dont think they can just ota overwrite the custom rom. When you have a custom rom you dont receive the other ota updates why would you receive this one.

It's true or not, but: No root - not buying HTC phone.
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Dont worry anout the OTA you dont have to install it. Just dont break your current device and get a replacement.... Or pay to fix the one you got.
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Root on 3d maybe Shift too?

Just throwin out there. Andbody think our devs maybe able to use the same exploit? Or similar exploit? I mean maybe our devs can go back and find a similar hole in our kernel?
" Nfinite and Beyond! "

Well just tried the Evo3D temp root on the wifey's Shift and got all the way to the exploit+FAIL "exploit will not work on this device". Dam! But the Dev said on Twitter that it might work on other devices with a few tweaks.
https://twitter.com/#!/agrabren
Just thought I'd post to try to add some help to those of you who ran the OTA and lost root. Thought if it worked it would give one of our Dev's here a hole to get root back on the ole Shifty!

I tried the same exploit and just received an error that this device isn't supported. Here is the thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1149998 I am not sure how it does it.. but maybe it could help?

Bummer...I was hoping it might work.

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Bummer...I was hoping it might work.
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Me too but I am sure it does a device check first. There may be a way but I just don't know how I really hope there is a root discovered soon..

Lol yall are playing with fire! Just wait till the devs get a exploit cus u cant unbrick your phone if u mess up the bootloader and ruu
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Agreed...I'm waiting patiently. If there's no root in another week or so, I'll just reactivate my old Pre and wait it out, then switch back.

That we are , but with risk comes reward. What if it would've given us temp root? Maybe put us in the same boat as the 3d as far as it would put shift devs that much closer to a perm root method for those that took the OTA update.
Just my opinion but i see your point .
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stormchaser404 said:
Agreed...I'm waiting patiently. If there's no root in another week or so, I'll just reactivate my old Pre and wait it out, then switch back.
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Is the old pre better than an unrooted shift or something?

Nope! Lol
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Stuke00 said:
Is the old pre better than an unrooted shift or something?
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Well, for me, yes it is. The big thing for me is wifi hotspot, which you can't do on an un-rooted Shift. And honestly, I like the HP WebOS better than Android, but the lack of new apps and several other short comings pushed me over. Overall, I really like my Shift, but I need to get it rooted sooner than later or will need to go back to my Pre for a while.