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Lets Ask HTC for NexusOne SPL on Incredible

Hello everybidy as Froyo is just gona Release it will take ages for HTC to upgrade our Incredible and also we are missing on rooted OS.
The only solution to the date is asking HTC for Nexus One type SPL and which is perfectly as far as Legality and After Sale Service Issue is concerned as you Unlock SPL Warrenty is void.
Lets ask HTC to allot us new SPL like Nexus One which Support
Code:
fastboot oem unlock
so we then flash the .img file directly and Enjoy Incredible to the fullest
Ask HTC over
http://facebook.com/htc
and
http://twitter.com/htc
http://twitter.com/VerizonWireless

let us know how you make out with that...

jrebeiro said:
let us know how you make out with that...
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Don't be cynical, anything's possible..

See my Previous Efforts of the same
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3005712&postcount=9
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2931428&postcount=25
and Finally this one
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1266

They're not going to do this because it will cost them money when people brick their devices and then return or warranty them.

heavensblade23 said:
They're not going to do this because it will cost them money when people brick their devices and then return or warranty them.
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Not if they include a disclaimer voiding the warranty in the case of a complete brick.

.mak said:
Not if they include a disclaimer voiding the warranty in the case of a complete brick.
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You mean like the disclaimers in every custom rom thread, where people still manage to brick their phones, and then talk about taking them back to the store for a new one?
HTC doesn't even release legally-obligated kernel sources on time half the time, if you think they're going to go an extra step beyond that you're dreaming.

heavensblade23 said:
You mean like the disclaimers in every custom rom thread, where people still manage to brick their phones, and then talk about taking them back to the store for a new one?
HTC doesn't even release legally-obligated kernel sources on time half the time, if you think they're going to go an extra step beyond that you're dreaming.
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I believe they're talking about the disclaimer that you get when you unlock a nexus one. HTC will refuse to warranty most nexus ones if the bootloader is unlocked.... and thats the risk im willing to take

But you have to remember that Verizon will get say in that as well and they do not like people messing with their stuff. It's a long shot....
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Actually, I already have the cdma nexus one hboot. But it's useless to us until we can flash to start. The version is pretty far from the HTC one as well so it's useless in our attempts. Stay patient.

Not to be a total retard, but is Froyo just a codename for Flash integration, or is it like an entire OS upgrade for the Android? Why would you say it would be ages until the HTC Incredible gets updated?
Sorry if that's a dumb question.

dephtones said:
Not to be a total retard, but is Froyo just a codename for Flash integration, or is it like an entire OS upgrade for the Android? Why would you say it would be ages until the HTC Incredible gets updated?
Sorry if that's a dumb question.
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It's an entire upgrade for andriod, well from 2.1 to 2.2, but some good changes. HTC has to go through a ton of testing phases before releasing an upgrade so it usually takes them awhile and no question is a dumb question

I work for the mobile industry and have worked for the computer industry for years, and have never been one to believe the talk about obsolete devices soon after you buy them. It angers me that this incredible is my first Android and I can't root it like my friends who have the Droid and Nexus One, Dream, etc.
I'm almost tempted to take it back and get a diff android, but this damn phone is so cool.

Hey OP while were at it why dont we ask htc for a bigger screen too, heck maybe they can turn our phones into EVO's........ J/K

it will happen in time gotta patient

RLKirk said:
It's an entire upgrade for andriod, well from 2.1 to 2.2, but some good changes. HTC has to go through a ton of testing phases before releasing an upgrade so it usually takes them awhile and no question is a dumb question
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After getting used to how everyone acted on the G1 forums, you are my nominee for most helpful XDA user, simply by stating "no question is a dumb question "

dephtones said:
I work for the mobile industry and have worked for the computer industry for years, and have never been one to believe the talk about obsolete devices soon after you buy them. It angers me that this incredible is my first Android and I can't root it like my friends who have the Droid and Nexus One, Dream, etc.
I'm almost tempted to take it back and get a diff android, but this damn phone is so cool.
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Root will happen. As is, this phone is far from obsolete. 2.2 still needs to be released on an actual device before its mature enough for daily use. Trust me, I went to 2.1 way too early on my last device and it sucked. Then 2.1 devices came out and all of the sudden it was good enough for daily use.

Start Shouting at this Accounts for Incredible root
http://twitter.com/htc
http://twitter.com/VerizonWireless

There is no way verizon will ever help with the incredible root, it enables things that verizon want locked on the phone, such as tethering. I'm all for optimism, but lets not forget reality.

morkon said:
There is no way verizon will ever help with the incredible root, it enables things that verizon want locked on the phone, such as tethering. I'm all for optimism, but lets not forget reality.
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I agree. Not only does it enable things VZW disabled intentionally but it increases the chances for issues that can lead to unsatified customers and returns.
HTC probably wouldn't want to go against their customer who is VZW not us. We buy from VZW not HTC.
We just have to trust in our developer community and hope they are able to accomplish root in the near future. I believe every HTC Android device has been rooted in the past so why would the Incredible be any different.
I remember reading an artible about how the G1 would never be able to be upgraded to 1.6 and devs got that phone running 2.1 so I am hopeful

Call for Volunteers

As you know we have root access, and believe the root exploits will work on the production devices.
However I do not believe we will have perm root on the production devices.
We are seeking volunteers willing to assist, by testing a method once the device is released. A risk of bricking exists, and the volunteer will assume 100% of that risk.
Requirements:
1) Will be getting a thunderbolt on or shortly after release
2) Ability to follow directions
3) Basic computer knowledge (ability to use command line would be nice)
4) Have the sdk installed, or be willing to install it
5) Understand the risk of volunteering completely. (ie know bricked phones no longer work)

jcase said:
As you know we have root access, and believe the root exploits will work on the production devices.
However I do not believe we will have perm root on the production devices.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the other post, you show a photo with SHIP S-OFF at the SPL level... so is this not permanent?
Perhaps I am confused then by what you mean 'perm root' in this case. Do you mean a engineering SPL?

reukiodo said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the other post, you show a photo with SHIP S-OFF at the SPL level... so is this not permanent?
Perhaps I am confused then by what you mean 'perm root' in this case. Do you mean a engineering SPL?
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If you read that whole post, you will understand its a pre production device (see the lack of verizon branding?). That is why we had s-off. Production models will not likely have it.

I currently have a touch pro 2 with nand loading xdandroid.
I would be happy to test though, I would rather not be the first brick. LOL
But in the sake of root, I might be willing to risk it. Considering the success rate.... I would say the risk would be high I am sure many precautions will be taken to prevent a brick.

coolsilver said:
I currently have a touch pro 2 with nand loading xdandroid.
I would be happy to test though, I would rather not be the first brick. LOL
But in the sake of root, I might be willing to risk it. Considering the success rate.... I would say the risk would be high I am sure many precautions will be taken to prevent a brick.
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With current ideas, risk is near nothing for one. Other one is slim. (in my opinions)

I am sure once the device is in hand tests will be done prior to flashing.
HTC phones are pretty good about not permanently bricking.
I will be trying it out.

I just have a quick question as I am coming from having a D1. How easy are HTC phone's rooting compared to the D1? I used the super one click root, I have to research HTC's methods now.

rotorocker said:
I just have a quick question as I am coming from having a D1. How easy are HTC phone's rooting compared to the D1? I used the super one click root, I have to research HTC's methods now.
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D1 root was rather easy, so was HTC back then. No longer is this the case.

I'm still 50/50 on getting it right when it comes out since I'll be paying full retail and we don't have a confirmed price yet. But otherwise, I meet all of the criteria. I actually tested the rage exploit on the Droid 2 first and had to write up the adb commands for others, so I'm comfortable working my way through some hackery.

karnovaran said:
I'm still 50/50 on getting it right when it comes out since I'll be paying full retail and we don't have a confirmed price yet. But otherwise, I meet all of the criteria. I actually tested the rage exploit on the Droid 2 first and had to write up the adb commands for others, so I'm comfortable working my way through some hackery.
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full retail if its like what BB posted ($750) then its cheaper to cancel your current contract and buy it with a new 2 year for $250
so thats 250+350=600
If you have a current contract

I will be picking a tb up as soon as they say go at a verisimilitude store and no matter what phone I have I can never go more than a day or two with out root. I need the ability to have freedom even if I can't change anything. Just the thought of having it keeps me going. As for knowledge I had the droid first and did everything you could to it and now I am running the fascinate on 2.2.1 that samsung and verizon still haven't released, so I am not the best but learn as I go.
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I'll give this a shot.

since the RUU's are already out, it should be fairly easy to get correct most problems right?

superchilpil said:
full retail if its like what BB posted ($750) then its cheaper to cancel your current contract and buy it with a new 2 year for $250
so thats 250+350=600
If you have a current contract
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Yeah. It is cheaper, but then you are still stuck in contract... and one year down the road you will need to repeat the same cycle.

bmcclure937 said:
Yeah. It is cheaper, but then you are still stuck in contract... and one year down the road you will need to repeat the same cycle.
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It's no big deal for me
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JCase I have a fascinate now, had a D1, and a DX. I'll be getting my thunderbolt the day of as i preordered at best buy. My twitter is Mike91908 I'm down. this is my first HTC device though, but i have all the know-hows.

mike919 said:
JCase I have a fascinate now, had a D1, and a DX. I'll be getting my thunderbolt the day of as i preordered at best buy. My twitter is Mike91908 I'm down. this is my first HTC device though, but i have all the know-hows.
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cool beans, I think we got something good.

jcase said:
cool beans, I think we got something good.
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Sounds good. if you need me, hit my twitter or gtalk mikeandjill919 and i can get on IRC.

Do you still need volunteers?

Count me in
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Is it worth to wait for Unrevoked 2.2 root?

We are all waiting for the "miracle" come from the Unrevoked....Is it worth?.
If we are sure that the Unrevoked is really working on it, than It's worth to wait, but until now, nothing make sure that they are working on it, Unrevoked always avoids to discuss about wildfire.
They are geniuses, so if they really want to root it, I think they only need couple of weeks.But so far,froyo2.2 has been on wildfire for a long time.
If anyone has reliable information that they're still working on it, please share.
The wildfire don't bring them profit, so why should they have to waste their precious time on it??...just saying that everyone should not hope too much...It might disappoint you...
Finally, thank you for your attention. sorry for my poor English

i think they're working on it

What is your alternative?

mtnhan1996 said:
We are all waiting for the "miracle" come from the Unrevoked....Is it worth?.
If we are sure that the Unrevoked is really working on it, than It's worth to wait, but until now, nothing make sure that they are working on it, Unrevoked always avoids to discuss about wildfire.
They are geniuses, so if they really want to root it, I think they only need couple of weeks.But so far,froyo2.2 has been on wildfire for a long time.
If anyone has reliable information that they're still working on it, please share.
The wildfire don't bring them profit, so why should they have to waste their precious time on it??...just saying that everyone should not hope too much...It might disappoint you...
Finally, thank you for your attention. sorry for my poor English
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Frankly, I don't think it's worth it. I'd just sell my wildfire and buy a new phone.

3xeno said:
What is your alternative?
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He could use an xtc clip and get it S-off

T_T
U know that XTC Clip don't available in many countries, and its price is almost equal to a wildfire

mtnhan1996 said:
We are all waiting for the "miracle" come from the Unrevoked....Is it worth?.
If we are sure that the Unrevoked is really working on it, than It's worth to wait, but until now, nothing make sure that they are working on it, Unrevoked always avoids to discuss about wildfire.
They are geniuses, so if they really want to root it, I think they only need couple of weeks.But so far,froyo2.2 has been on wildfire for a long time.
If anyone has reliable information that they're still working on it, please share.
The wildfire don't bring them profit, so why should they have to waste their precious time on it??...just saying that everyone should not hope too much...It might disappoint you...
Finally, thank you for your attention. sorry for my poor English
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Their updates clearly tell us that they are willing to work on wildfire. But the problem actually seems like they dont have a wildfire and i heard that they are searching for it. They are the ones who got such a great reputation for rooting phones. I dont think that "they feel like wasting time working on wildfire".
No free alternative. Just we need to wait, wait and wait.
(correct me if im wrong)

It's bad luck that you have froyo on your wildfire, your options (as mentioned before) are:
1. Wait for a software able to root 2.2
2. Pay for someone to root via X-clip
3. Sell your wildfire and buy a handset with 2.1 or below. Can you even get a phone running 2.1 anymore?

A$h x said:
It's bad luck that you have froyo on your wildfire, your options (as mentioned before) are:
1. Wait for a software able to root 2.2
2. Pay for someone to root via X-clip
3. Sell your wildfire and buy a handset with 2.1 or below. Can you even get a phone running 2.1 anymore?
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no need to buy a newer device with 2.1 or below. Even if someone wants to, they can get among the sony ericson devices. One can go for a latest gingerbread root friendly device.
excluding wildfire and aria, many other froyo android devices and even gingerbread devices are rootable.
--another point to consider here, as all of us know is, root (perma) depends on hboot security and not on the version of operating system (to be specific, in nand locked devices)

bharatgaddameedi said:
no need to buy a newer device with 2.1 or below. Even if someone wants to, they can get among the sony ericson devices. One can go for a latest gingerbread root friendly device.
excluding wildfire and aria, many other froyo android devices and even gingerbread devices are rootable.
--another point to consider here, as all of us know is, root depends on hboot security and not on the version of operating system.
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Oh, so hboot is not dependant on the android version? So you can have a 0.81 hboot on gingerbread 2.3.3 for example? Strange that they would use an outdated hboot with the latest android builds but there you go.

They are working on it. I don't think that anybody should buy a new phone, because of the root thing.

bharatgaddameedi said:
Their updates clearly tell us that they are willing to work on wildfire. But the problem actually seems like they dont have a wildfire and i heard that they are searching for it. They are the ones who got such a great reputation for rooting phones. I dont think that "they feel like wasting time working on wildfire".
No free alternative. Just we need to wait, wait and wait.
(correct me if im wrong)
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sorry because i what I said then. I don't know what I was thinking then. I didn't mean that . I just didn't know if they are really working on wildfire, or just other devices.( sorry if I'm wrong)

A$h x said:
Oh, so hboot is not dependant on the android version? So you can have a 0.81 hboot on gingerbread 2.3.3 for example? Strange that they would use an outdated hboot with the latest android builds but there you go.
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lol, im not talking about the hboot version. I said root depends on hboot security and not hboot version. And that security depends on the manufacturer. For a single device, higher the hboot version the more secure it is. But for different devices they are not at all related.
Let us see few things.
--htc aria --------hboot 1.02 not yet rooted.
--htc wildfire ----hboot 1.01 not yet rooted.
--htc legend------hboot 1.01 rooted.
--htc desire & incredible --hboot 0.93 rooted.
--htc evo 4g -----hboot 2.10 rooted.
--htc hero --- has no nand security. so custom recoveries and custom roms can be easily flashed.
Wildfire and Aria have more security on the hboot.
Actually im sorry. I should have specified this. The process of rooting varies widely between different android devices. [It (permaroot) depends on hboot security and not on the version of operating system in NAND locked devices. And shell root or temp root will not depend on hboot]
If two different devices are running the same android version, then both the hboot versions are not likely to be the same. Check for example, Google Nexus One (root friendly device) is running official gingerbread with hboot 0.35 .
It is not like official froyo on wildfire works only with hboot 1.01. I think if htc really wants to, we might have even had gingerbread on wildfire with hboot 0.80. And we are now running gingerbread custom roms on wildfire hboot 0.80
And that should not be called "outdated hboots" for the latest builds. They are called less secure or more secure hboots.
[someone correct me if im wrong]

To accord me unrevoked doesnt working on hboot of buzz froyo, so i used xtc clip to root it .
I bought the clip with a gda in italy.
Excusw for my english but i am italian.

And don't forget the other possiblity for S-off, the pay as you go XTC clip.
That device should come on the market for a more reasonable price for 1 time unlockers.
They are testing it in beta, so just have a bit patience and if all is succesfull, order one and your problems are gone.

I am not able to understand why?
Are mobile companies dont want to users their root android phones?
If yes why ?

Lara_Shadow said:
I am not able to understand why?
Are mobile companies dont want to users their root android phones?
If yes why ?
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Obviously they dont want to users do it. This is standard of all companies, even outside the Android universe. The two major reasons are to save their own headaches when users have various problems and issues owning to rooting / JB'ing their devices, and secondly, they want you to stick with the company provided featureset and not have new ones, so that, you will have to buy a new device if you want new features.
It's heartening to see a slight change in their (Some co's) approach though.

3xeno said:
so that, you will have to buy a new device if you want new features.
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Pure business.
3xeno said:
It's heartening to see a slight change in their (Some co's) approach though.
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Really appreciative.

No More Rooting Our Little Friend...

Just a FYI, I was on the phone with one of my friend HTC engineers, long distance from outside the USA, which he gave me some good gossip about the G2.
*Take it for what is worth. I do admit this my not be new info to some.
1) There is a OTA update coming for the G2 which will DEFINITELY cause you to loose root, and A LOT OF WORK has gone into the update to prevent rooting. Matter of fact, my HTC friend tells me that the encryption algorithm will almost make it impossible to root. My opinion, nothing is impossible!
2) BTW, there IS MAJOR development in up coming new tech with 3D displays. My little 'rumor mill' friend informed me that he seen a Android live wallpaper in 3D fire that looks so realistic that when you tilt the device forward, the icons actually go through the flames.
3) He told me that when the G2 was originally released, it was purposely done to make it hard to root, and now with the Gingerbread OTA update just around the corner (he said it may happen in July) by the time IF anyone figures out how to root it, the phone will be completely outdated.
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So after weeks of saying they're unlocking bootloaders, opening sense to developers and changing their ways... You're saying your friend knows they're lying?

katiepea said:
So after weeks of saying they're unlocking bootloaders, opening sense to developers and changing their ways... You're saying your friend knows they're lying?
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I dunno, but its true that bootloaders and rooting are 2 separate things anyway. He's referencing rooting this latest stock GB rom, not unlocking bootloaders.
*edit-
It seems there is an 'official' leaked rom out there that is digitally signed by HTC and also T-Morgul (misspending is applied) that after flashed, perm-root has not yet been achieved. Now the great devs that stripped the GB rom (from the raw, has rooted it), so you can flash a rooted version, but hasn't yet rooted after flash.
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hard to believe.

I find when people are lying they add useless information like "a long distance phone call" and "out of usa."
Were this true imd expect somthing like "i was talking to a buddy of mine that works for htc. He heard they had some new encyption that will take forever to root!"
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I would say he is lying, but after spending some time in the irc its not looking so good. They even blocked the fail safe goldcard method for downgrading. I think this is bad news being one of the first to receive a 2.3 device back from them I have tried everything to help get this thing rooted hope there is a way to root it soon before all the devs leave for newer devices.

thugjedi said:
I would say he is lying, but after spending some time in the irc its not looking so good. They even blocked the fail safe goldcard method for downgrading. I think this is bad news being one of the first to receive a 2.3 device back from them I have tried everything to help get this thing rooted hope there is a way to root it soon before all the devs leave for newer devices.
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Hi !
We gonna see about that!
But just to put some things straight:
- The goldcard to downgrade method also needed temp-root to change the main version in the misc-partition.
- At the moment we do not have a working temp-rooting method for gingerbread (besides gingerbreak but this has been patched in our version)
- We are not working on a new temp-root very urgent but this will change
Comes time, comes root.
Have fun - Guhl

Where there's a will, there's a way,
i'm sure one developer will manage to find an exploit, some way or another.

No way.... Is there no way not to accept the ota update when it comes to our phones
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Even those running a custom rom?

well if you think about it, if GB update from htc has been in development for the past 6 months (with specific configurations for different phones). and during this development phase they're stance was to still lock rooting and bootloaders. it would be near impossible to get a release June/July with a different development path based on the statement by the CEO.
either they will push back the OTA update, or roll out and meet the deadlines with their current path and with other phones already getting updates the past few months. I would say they're rolling it out with just configuration testing and QA on our phones

Why not just do this...sell rooted devices and locked devices. Or just sell all devices rooted. Lets face it most people now with android phones have no clue what the os is capable of and buy it off of hype.
G2x with faux AOSP and faux orange kernel. [email protected] 5107 quadrant.

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Even those running a custom rom?
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I dont think they can just ota overwrite the custom rom. When you have a custom rom you dont receive the other ota updates why would you receive this one.

It's true or not, but: No root - not buying HTC phone.
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Dont worry anout the OTA you dont have to install it. Just dont break your current device and get a replacement.... Or pay to fix the one you got.
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[Q] Bootloader unlock in comparison to other manufacturers

has anyone experience in the hassl of unlocking bootloader from the g2 or LG phones in comparison to other devices?
how is LGs policy for giving kernel source and unlocking bootloader?
i am a long time htc user and those things are very important to me. as i think about getting a new phone and switching from htc i want to know in advance and i have not found anything
thx

donky kong 017 said:
has anyone experience in the hassl of unlocking bootloader from the g2 or LG phones in comparison to other devices?
how is LGs policy for giving kernel source and unlocking bootloader?
i am a long time htc user and those things are very important to me. as i think about getting a new phone and switching from htc i want to know in advance and i have not found anything
thx
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A little late to the party on this one, LG released a few of its sources for the G2, we already have custom kernel development that just started brewing here lately.
As far as the bootloader, this device has a work around using Loki and it works fine. As evidence points that we can flash pretty much anything worth flashing including custom kernels.

Walter21026 said:
A little late to the party on this one, LG released a few of its sources for the G2, we already have custom kernel development that just started brewing here lately.
As far as the bootloader, this device has a work around using Loki and it works fine. As evidence points that we can flash pretty much anything worth flashing including custom kernels.
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thx i just wanted to know how the overall situation is. cause htc makes it a little difficult to unlock bootloader via htc dev website and there is no s-off . is there s-off on the g2?
with samsung its another story with odin and there are other problems.
i want to get an overall picture for the different manufacturers

donky kong 017 said:
thx i just wanted to know how the overall situation is. cause htc makes it a little difficult to unlock bootloader via htc dev website and there is no s-off . is there s-off on the g2?
with samsung its another story with odin and there are other problems.
i want to get an overall picture for the different manufacturers
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What I would tell you personally is dont delay, carriers will likely be pushing security patches to keep out hackers and make it very difficult for devs to work around in the near future.
No need to worry about s-off, its never been discussed here which tells me it must not exits on this device. I have seen it on almost all HTC devices though.

Walter21026 said:
What I would tell you personally is dont delay, carriers will likely be pushing security patches to keep out hackers and make it very difficult for devs to work around in the near future.
No need to worry about s-off, its never been discussed here which tells me it must not exits on this device. I have seen it on almost all HTC devices though.
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thx. i guess thats just ridiculous. i want steady updates for a year or so as i switch to a new phone after a year. the last year was just horrible on my htc onex+ with so little development and s-on
the carriers would not bother me as im on a contact free carrier, the problem is development is affected. and this is something i have on every phone i buy.
im vacillating between nexus 5 and g2 now

donky kong 017 said:
thx. i guess thats just ridiculous. i want steady updates for a year or so as i switch to a new phone after a year. the last year was just horrible on my htc onex+ with so little development and s-on
the carriers would not bother me as im on a contact free carrier, the problem is development is affected. and this is something i have on every phone i buy.
im vacillating between nexus 5 and g2 now
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I'd go with The N5. Huge developer support.
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Jposton said:
I'd go with The N5. Huge developer support.
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thx
i just compared the 2 forums N4-G2 and came to the same conclusion. development is even more important than hardware for me now